Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[ElNono]

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there's your death panel...

[Chad.]

I dare any Trump supporter to say with a straight face this is the absolute best team that could possibly be assembled.

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Who would you recommend and why?

[TSA]

Let’s Visualize State-by-State Shutdown Effectiveness on COVID-19

How effective are State wide shutdowns versus more measured approaches? That is what I will analyze in this post by looking at the data. As a spoiler, there is not much evidence that State wide shutdowns have a significant impact on total deaths. How can this be? Let’s walk through the numbers.

https://medium.com/@yinonweiss/lets-visualize-state-by-state-shutdown-effectiveness-on-covid-19-e13a5cdb50ad

[DarrinS]

Why is there not one doctor or public health expert on this death council?

Lol

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[ChumpDumper]

Who would you recommend and why?Someone like Fauci who knows about infectious disease because, you know, this is about an infectious disease. I believe the disease should be taken into account when it comes to reopening the country to the disease.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol

1249780574539132928Do you think Jared and Ivanka are the best choices for this council?

Yes or no.

[ElNono]

:lmao like Ivanka or Jared know shit about CDC regulations

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1249814231584776193?s=20

Deaths have been dropping by a couple of hundred per day the last few days. Nate Silver thinks this might be a slow reporting day.

[boutons_deux]

Why is there not one doctor or public health expert on this death council?

because Trash and his millionaire mafiya don't need no doc or public health people to the business to force their workers back to work

[Trill Clinton]

there's your death panel...

Stay inside bro

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1249814231584776193?s=20

Deaths have been dropping by a couple of hundred per day the last few days. Nate Silver thinks this might be a slow reporting day.Death takes a holiday.

Well the people reporting them take holidays.

[ChumpDumper]

Lol

1249780574539132928Who is Stacey, Darrin?

[MannyIsGod]

Ivanka Trump. I guess the right already forgotten about bitching about Hunter Biden.

[DarrinS]

Fauci

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[ChumpDumper]

Fauci

1249820418896166912Is Ivanka the best possible choice for this council, Darrin?

[spurraider21]

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[boutons_deux]

Ivanka Trump. I guess the right already forgotten about bitching about Hunter Biden.

Julie Annie said he was working on a tell-all-Bidens documentary, I've heard nothing for months about that

If Biden is looking like a winner, 9, 10 pts up nationally, the slander and lies from Trash will be non-stop

[ChumpDumper]

1249830823122972672rmt logging in to say this is the right thing to do.

https://i.imgur.com/LHTdAoj.gif

[ducks]

Who would you recommend and why?

Do you think trump should ingnore who and dr Fauci ?

[Reck]

Fauci

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Not going to even pretend he's been made to say these things but that's hardly proof Trump hasn't been a total assclown to him.

I mean the dude retweeted a post endorsing his firing...

[TSA]

Could coronavirus crisis be over in 2 weeks?
Chairman of the Israeli Space Agency and the National Council for Research and Development says models show COVID-19 declines after 6 weeks.

According to analysis of international graphs and comparisons, Major Gen. (Res) Prof. Isaac Ben-Israel concludes that it is certainly possible and we are already in the final stages of the coronavirus epidemic.

Prof. Ben-Israel is the chairman of the Israeli Space Agency and the National Council for Research and Development, the head of the Security Studies program at Tel Aviv University, and a former MK for the Kadima party. He holds a PhD in Philosophy and a BSc in Physics and Mathematics from Tel Aviv University.

Prof. Ben-Israel explained his position, pointing out that when measuring the rate of additional patients to existing patients, the trend can be clearly identified and adjusted in all countries. If, at the beginning of the epidemic, the rate of hospitalization was increasing at a rapid rate every day, this reality has since changed radically.

"The incidence of patients was greater by the day. This was during the first four weeks after the epidemic was discovered in Israel. As of the sixth week, the increase in the number of patients has been moderate, peaking in the sixth week at 700 patients per day. Since then it has been declining, and today there are only 300 new patients. In two weeks it will reach zero and there will be no more new patients," Prof. Ben-Israel said.

"This is how it is all over the world. Both in countries where they have taken closure steps like Italy and in countries that have not had closures like Taiwan or Singapore. In such and such countries there is an increase until the fourth to sixth week, and immediately thereafter moderation until during the eighth week it disappears."

In his remarks, Ben-Israel is careful to give credit to the various graphical studies to his colleagues, Prof. Ziegler of the Technion and Ronnie Yefarah, who helped him formulate his encouraging position.

"This is happening both in countries that have closed down like us and in those that have not closed until today like Sweden, every country no matter its response. The decline and rise occur according to the same timeline," he said, adding that his observations are based entirely on past data without attempting to guess what will happen in the future.

"It's clear to us how the epidemic is starting and what is causing the increase. What is causing the moderation is unclear. Therefore, I propose that we end the closures immediately after the current week. We will start increasing the workforce from 15 percent to fifty percent and in two weeks we will reach 100 percent."

However, Prof. Ben-Israel added that he "recommends that we take all the hygienic steps like wearing masks and keeping our distance from person to person and banning crowds because it does not cost the economy. What bothers me is the damage to the economy. We are paying NIS 100 billion a month because of this closure. This also has implications for health. We will pay with more human lives with our health system in the current state."

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/278658

[ducks]

:lol

You would not ?

[Reck]

You would not ?

Sure, why not. But I'm also not her fucking father.

Oh yeah nevermind, you also like to pee on 13 year old girls.

[Winehole23]

Crazier than usual presser today.

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[Reck]

Crazier than usual presser today.

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Yikes.

[spurraider21]

Crazier than usual presser today.

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ramping up the fascism

[Winehole23]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/278658[/url]
Amateur epidemiologist gives the all clear.

Back to work, everybody!



Prof. Ben-Israel is the chairman of the Israeli Space Agency and the National Council for Research and Development, the head of the Security Studies program at Tel Aviv University, and a former MK for the Kadima party. He holds a PhD in Philosophy and a BSc in Physics and Mathematics from Tel Aviv University.

[spurraider21]

rmt logging in to say this is the right thing to do.

https://i.imgur.com/LHTdAoj.gif
referring to the removal of florida?

[Trill Clinton]

Crazier than usual presser today.

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big government good now

[ChumpDumper]

referring to the removal of florida?Anything DeSantis does.

[TSA]

Amateur epidemiologist gives the all clear.

Back to work, everybody!

https://medium.com/@yinonweiss/lets-visualize-state-by-state-shutdown-effectiveness-on-covid-19-e13a5cdb50ad

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xsT8yeauRo0a167IpHNEd95rEWxw6qj0/view

[ChumpDumper]

https://medium.com/@yinonweiss/lets-visualize-state-by-state-shutdown-effectiveness-on-covid-19-e13a5cdb50ad

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xsT8yeauRo0a167IpHNEd95rEWxw6qj0/viewThe founder of CarDash (?) gives the all clear.

Back to work, everybody!

[Winehole23]

https://medium.com/@yinonweiss/lets-visualize-state-by-state-shutdown-effectiveness-on-covid-19-e13a5cdb50ad

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xsT8yeauRo0a167IpHNEd95rEWxw6qj0/viewWhat's your take on Weiss's take?

[Spurs Homer]

Crazier than usual presser today.

1249834932513505280



this is NO DIFFERENT than when

OBAMA took away muh gunz!!!


NO DIFFERENT!!!

[hater]

:lmao at ppl still watching Orangegutans pressers :lol

[Thread]

:lmao at ppl still watching Orangegutans pressers :lol

Gettin' difficult to find a straight airing. MSNBC & CNN keep goin' in & out. Only FOX goes start to finish.

He won't stay still so you can fuck him. He fucks back. You ain't used to that.

Tough titties.

[TSA]

What's your take on Weiss's take?

I think he’s asking the right questions given the data he compiled. Do you believe the lock downs were effective when looking at that data?

[picnroll]

“ My authority is total”
So all these right wing, gun lovin, freedom lovin ultra-right wing nut jobs voted themselves King Trash. :rollin

[pgardn]

Gettin' difficult to find a straight airing. MSNBC & CNN keep goin' in & out. Only FOX goes start to finish.

He won't stay still so you can fuck him. He fucks back. You ain't used to that.

Tough titties.

FOX is out.
Trump does not like Chris Wallace. (by far the best at FOX at questioning and digging at ALL politicians)
Trump says Chris Wallace is a wannabe-Mike Wallace (his father)

Chris Wallace responded with: its pretty clear who has their daddy problems, and its not me.
Smacked Trump in the face 10x harder. So now OAN is Trump's go to.
Trump lost that little scuffle. OAN is a bigger joke than CNN or FOX.

[Winehole23]

:lmao at ppl still watching Orangegutans pressers :lolShowing a campaign video at a WH press conference is a new one on me.

[pgardn]

:lmao at ppl still watching Orangegutans pressers :lol

You are not a fan of dark comedy?
Its enthralling.
We have been through all this germ stuff and the idiot tells us the virus is not stopped by antibiotics???
The idiot reads nothing and listens to no one. Its fun to see what comes of his willful ignorance and or inability to grasp anything to do with science.

[Spurs Homer]

:lmao at ppl still watching Orangegutans pressers :lol



that CBS blonde reporter in the red outfit emasculating the orange turd was popcorn-worthy tho


he said some nonsense about “i banned china”

she shot back: “but you did nothing with the time it bought you- no ppe, no medical equipment- nothing!”

orange turd lost it and began attacking her network and their ratings lololol

she fired back at him when he said “why did biden apologize?”

she shoots back “no one cares about any apology- there are millions of unemployed , 23k dead!”



hahahahahaha!


she earned her paycheck

[ChumpDumper]

I think he’s asking the right questions given the data he compiled. Do you believe the lock downs were effective when looking at that data?Looking at CarDash guy's data?

[Thread]

FOX is out.
Trump does not like Chris Wallace. (by far the best at FOX at questioning and digging at ALL politicians)
Trump says Chris Wallace is a wannabe-Mike Wallace (his father)

Chris Wallace responded with: its pretty clear who has their daddy problems, and its not me.
Smacked Trump in the face 10x harder. So now OAN is Trump's go to.
Trump lost that little scuffle. OAN is a bigger joke than CNN or FOX.

Regardless, FOX airs the whole thing, start to finish. That's what I referenced. FOX has always been up & down about Trump. Sure, more up than down, yes, but, he's never been as comprehensively loved there as he has been comprehensively hated on CNN & MSNBC. No one sides the President on those two outlets. No one.

[Winehole23]

I think he’s asking the right questions given the data he compiled. Do you believe the lock downs were effective when looking at that data?

Weiss misses the main point of social distancing. It's not to reduce overall mortality, but instead to keep the rate of infection from tapping out the capacity of our health care system.

[TSA]

Weiss misses the main point of social distancing. It's not to reduce overall mortality, but instead to keep the rate of infection from tapping out the capacity of our health care system.

Did states that didn’t lock down over run hospital capacity?

[Winehole23]

Looks like wishful thinking dressed up as mathematical analysis to me.

Would be nice if he's right. I hope COVID-19 does poot itself out in a few weeks. If it does, relaxing social restrictions should be a no-brainer.

[ChumpDumper]

Did states that didn’t lock down over run hospital capacity?Here we go with second guessing the models again. You had your COVID-19 infection party yet?

[Winehole23]

Did states that didn’t lock down over run hospital capacity?Precocious. We're still in an early phase of the outbreak.Nearly just happened in NY, I shudder to think what it would be like with a higher caseload.

Dude is an amateur making a guess. My money is on studies published by NIH and BMJ way before I thrown in with a businessman's dolled up oped in Medium.

[TSA]

Precocious. We're still in an early phase of the outbreak.Nearly just happened in NY, I shudder to think what it would be like with a higher caseload. Dide is an amateur making a guess.

My money is on studies published by NIH and BMJ way before I thrown in with a businessman's dolled up oped in Medium.

data is data

[TSA]

u776BbDi4g0

Fauci just took a huge shit on the media narrative :lmao

Fauci bad now?

[Winehole23]

data is dataAssumptions.and interpretation count for more. Data doesn't speak for itself.

True data can be used to mislead, obfuscate, or tell a lie.

[Winehole23]

Dp

[Winehole23]

u776BbDi4g0

Fauci just took a huge shit on the media narrative :lmao

Fauci bad now?Nah, he and Dr Birx know that have to butter up the old man in order to maintain influence.

It's political. Fauci had to backtrack after what he said about Trump not taking his advice quickly.

[TSA]

u776BbDi4g0

Fauci just took a huge shit on the media narrative :lmao

Fauci bad now?

And :lmao at the chyron right before he shits on them

[TSA]

Nah, he and Dr Birx know that have to butter up the old man in order to maintain influence.

It's political. Fauci had to backtrack after what he said about Trump not taking his advice quickly.

So Fauci is a liar now?

[Winehole23]

So Fauci is a liar now?I would say he's being crafty. Politics in general requires a bit of ethical flexibility, this President notably corrupts the people around him.

[Thread]

Precocious. We're still in an early phase of the outbreak.Nearly just happened in NY, I shudder to think what it would be like with a higher caseload.

Dude is an amateur making a guess. My money is on studies published by NIH and BMJ way before I thrown in with a businessman's dolled up oped in Medium.

...I'll just bet it is, Winester.

[Thread]

So Fauci is a liar now?

Nail 'em up, TSA, Tree of Woe.

[Winehole23]

...I'll just bet it is, Winester.No need to bet, I absolutely give more credence to peer reviewed science than opeds in Medium.

[clambake]

Nail 'em up, TSA, Tree of Woe.

poor katie

hitching her wagon to obedient dale.

[Winehole23]

Looks like the Wisconsin GOP depressed their own turnout and lost a Supreme Court seat.

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[Spurs Homer]

u776BbDi4g0

Fauci just took a huge shit on the media narrative :lmao

Fauci bad now?


so he clarified-

instead of trump being the reason alone why people died unnecessarily -

fauci, birx AND Trump - were the reason why people died unnecessarily


got it


the result is the fucking same : if you had acted SOONER - people would have been saved

media thought trump was the ONLY bad actor


but instead ALL THREE idiots are to blame

thanks for the clarification


lol pizzagate

[midnightpulp]

I dare any Trump supporter to say with a straight face this is the absolute best team that could possibly be assembled.

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Just about to post this. What a joke. Two nepotism hires who've never proven much of anything aside from riding the family coat tails. A Fox News broadcaster. A couple of scumbag corporate raiders. And a literal nobody who believes in Creationism.

[Thread]

Just about to post this. What a joke. Two nepotism hires who've never proven much of anything aside from riding the family coat tails. A Fox News broadcaster. A couple of scumbag corporate raiders. And a literal nobody who believes in Creationism.

I have dibs on the girl's seat cushion.

[ducks]

The World Health Organization (WHO) is under fire after Taiwan released the contents of a December email inquiring about the person to person spread of COVID-19, saying it was instead ignored by WHO and denied adequate information to fight the virus.

Taiwan is accusing WHO of downplaying the severity and spread of the coronavirus in an attempt to pander to China even after Taiwan sounded the alarm about at least seven cases of atypical pneumonia that they were aware of in Wuhan where the virus originated.

[Thread]

No need to bet, I absolutely give more credence to peer reviewed science than opeds in Medium.

The former is just as politically compromised as the other. They got caught being political and now they want back in.

No. You fucked yourself.

[midnightpulp]

data is data

That medium article uses too much circular reasoning and speculation. I.e.

"We again find no meaningful correlation between speed of State wide shutdown versus projected total deaths. How can this be? Well, there may be much more important factors influencing the spread of the virus, including:

Voluntary behavioral change of residents such as washing hands, staying away from large groups, not touching one’s face, etc."

Um, a state wide lockdown is pretty fuckin' good at preventing people from interacting in large groups.

And he does it AGAIN. Lol.


It would be reasonable to assume that State wide shut downs almost certainly does slow down the spread of the virus to some unknown extent. What we don’t know is how effective a State wide shut down is compared to other measures taken such as washing hands, wearing masks, avoiding large events

Yes, it's very "reasonable to assume" a shutdown that prevents those large gatherings and events is effective in slowing spread because that is literally how virus transmission can rapidly spread. We saw this with patient 31 in South Korea and we see this with how densely populated areas are getting hammered.

I was waiting for "muh Sweden." A favorite example of Libertarian twitter everywhere. First of all, his graph showing Sweden's precipitous decline isn't convincing of much anything. Deaths lag, reporting slows down over the weekend, and Sweden just reported their peak in daily cases 4 days ago. It stands to the reason they will be experiencing a few more death peaks over the next month. And why is Sweden an example of anything? Norway and Denmark have about the same population as Sweden, but the death count is 919 vs. 419. Sweden is also a much smaller country with a healthier population. Easier to apply the herd immunity strategy there than it would be here. The Netherlands also went for the herd immunity strategy and has gotten hammered. So did the UK in the early days. Also hammered.

There will be no to little "opening up" until we get mass testing and tracing.

[Thread]

The World Health Organization (WHO) is under fire after Taiwan released the contents of a December email inquiring about the person to person spread of COVID-19, saying it was instead ignored by WHO and denied adequate information to fight the virus.

Taiwan is accusing WHO of downplaying the severity and spread of the coronavirus in an attempt to pander to China even after Taiwan sounded the alarm about at least seven cases of atypical pneumonia that they were aware of in Wuhan where the virus originated.

CNN/MSNBC will now throw a load a shit into that bucket and muddy those waters. You ain't going to get past 1st Base on China. No-fucking-way.

[Thread]

That medium article uses too much circular reasoning and speculation. I.e.

"We again find no meaningful correlation between speed of State wide shutdown versus projected total deaths. How can this be? Well, there may be much more important factors influencing the spread of the virus, including:

Voluntary behavioral change of residents such as washing hands, staying away from large groups, not touching one’s face, etc."

Um, a state wide lockdown is pretty fuckin' good at preventing people from interacting in large groups.

And he does it AGAIN. Lol.



Yes, it's very "reasonable to assume" a shutdown that prevents those large gatherings and events is effective in slowing spread because that is literally how virus transmission can rapidly spread. We saw this with patient 31 in South Korea and we see this with how densely populated areas are getting hammered.

I was waiting for "muh Sweden." A favorite example of Libertarian twitter everywhere. First of all, his graph showing Sweden's precipitous decline isn't convincing of much anything. Deaths lag, reporting slows down over the weekend, and Sweden just reported their peak in daily cases 4 days ago. It stands to the reason they will be experiencing a few more death peaks over the next month. And why is Sweden an example of anything? Norway and Denmark have about the same population as Sweden, but the death count is 919 vs. 419. Sweden is also a much smaller country with a healthier population. Easier to apply the herd immunity strategy there than it would be here. The Netherlands also went for the herd immunity strategy and has gotten hammered. So did the UK in the early days. Also hammered.

There will be no to little "opening up" until we get mass testing and tracing.

or, the defeat of the old man come November.

"It's a miracle!"

"the warden" -

& you're gonna need another couple Trillion to cover (tracing). Wait till they start knockin' on doors. tee, hee.

[Winehole23]

The former is just as politically compromised as the other. They got caught being political and now they want back in.

No. You fucked yourself.How are the NIH and BMJ compromised?

[CosmicCowboy]

CNN/MSNBC will now throw a load a shit into that bucket and muddy those waters. You ain't going to get past 1st Base on China. No-fucking-way.

It's just much easier for simple minds to blame Trump for covid19. The US isn't a totalitarian government. The reaction was maybe a few weeks late from total lockdown but you dont sell a total lockdown to the US public when nobody is sick.

[spurraider21]

It's just much easier for simple minds to blame Trump for covid19. The US isn't a totalitarian government. The reaction was maybe a few weeks late from total lockdown but you dont sell a total lockdown to the US public when nobody is sick.
yeah that might actually take leadership

[Thread]

It's just much easier for simple minds to blame Trump for covid19. The US isn't a totalitarian government. The reaction was maybe a few weeks late from total lockdown but you dont sell a total lockdown to the US public when nobody is sick.

Bingo!

[CosmicCowboy]

I just wish you guys could keep your trump hating in the trump hating thread and keep one fucking thread open for just covid19 news. It's really not much to ask.

[baseline bum]

It's just much easier for simple minds to blame Trump for covid19. The US isn't a totalitarian government. The reaction was maybe a few weeks late from total lockdown but you dont sell a total lockdown to the US public when nobody is sick.

Trump spent two months calling it a Democratic hoax and filling his followers heads with disinformation while doing nothing to prepare the US for the pandemic. We're the richest country on Earth, we could have done what South Korea has where only 222 people have died despite no lockdown and having their patient 0 the day after ours. But triggering the libs was more important than widespread testing and contact tracing. And now 23,640 are dead. Yes I blame Trump. It is him and his government that has failed us and it's only going to get worse. He places no value in human life.

[baseline bum]

I just wish you guys could keep your trump hating in the trump hating thread and keep one fucking thread open for just covid19 news. It's really not much to ask.

You can't divorce Trump's failure from our body count.

[ChumpDumper]

I just wish you guys could keep your trump hating in the trump hating thread and keep one fucking thread open for just covid19 news. It's really not much to ask.Trump's failure is forever tied to COVID-19. Sorry you look like such an idiot for supporting him. Gotta be really tough on your ego.

[TimDunkem]

yeah that might actually take leadership

Imagine if Obama did it.

[Chris]

Who would you recommend and why?


Someone like Fauci who knows about infectious disease because, you know, this is about an infectious disease. I believe the disease should be taken into account when it comes to reopening the country to the disease.

Chump is waiting on recommendations from WaPo and NYT. Until then, all you're going to get is "someone like Fauci". He's perfectly fine shitting on anyone that Trump appoints because orange man ia bad. This guy doesn't know whether to shit or go to bed unless Media is holding his hand.

[picnroll]

data is data

Yes. Insufficient PPE. Javitt’s center was used as a hospital.

[ChumpDumper]

Chump is waiting on recommendations from WaPo and NYT. Until then, all you're going to get is "someone like Fauci". He's perfectly fine shitting on anyone that Trump appoints because orange man ia bad. This guy doesn't know whether to shit or go to bed unless Media is holding his hand.:lol Qhris trying to act all independent and shit.

[Winehole23]

yeah that might actually take leadershipThe only reason we have a lockdown in the US is because we failed at our chance of containment due to the lack of testing capacity and contact tracing. That goes to leadership as well.

[DarrinS]

Trump's failure is forever tied to COVID-19. Sorry you look like such an idiot for supporting him. Gotta be really tough on your ego.

Do you feel safe at Wendy's drive thru now, Karen?

[ChumpDumper]

Do you feel safe at Wendy's drive thru now, Karen?Masks are required now. Why wouldn't I wear one?

Do you think Trump did anything wrong during this crisis?

If so, what?

[ChumpDumper]

.

[Winehole23]

I just wish you guys could keep your trump hating in the trump hating thread and keep one fucking thread open for just covid19 news. It's really not much to ask.There are political consequences for bad decisions and incompetence.

In this case, the animus has been earned. Trump's failure to lead and respond adequately is COVID-19 news.

[ChumpDumper]

Man, Trump supporters don't want to talk about Trump anymore....Sad....

[TimDunkem]

You can't claim total authority then be absolved from any mistakes or tough decision making.

[picnroll]

So Fauci is a liar now?

Fauci saw what happened to Allred and Messonnier who Trash dumped and so he just wants to stay in the game to have some influence on curbing the orange idiot from murdering thousands more. Ultimately he’s sacrificing his reputation for the greater good. If the orange idiot had listened to Allred and Messonnier when they warned him in the beginning we wouldn’t be in this shit storm now.

[Winehole23]

There are political consequences for bad decisions and incompetence.

In this case, the animus has been earned. Trump's failure to lead and respond adequately is COVID-19 news.On this point, Trump does himself little good by underscoring his manifest boobery and ineptitude in his hours-long, nearly daily COVID-19 pressers.

[Winehole23]

You can't claim total authority then be absolved from any mistakes or tough decision making.
He's been swerving wildly between insisting disaster management is a DIY affair for the various states and taking credit for everything himself -- when the cities and states have done most of the.logistical and political heavy lifting.

Makes him look weak, tbh.

[TSA]

Nail 'em up, TSA, Tree of Woe.

https://mobile.twitter.com/sethjlevy/status/1249873832372035585

[Winehole23]

Looks like the Wisconsin GOP depressed their own turnout and lost a Supreme Court seat.

1249846421576126467Kicker:

https://amp.jsonline.com/amp/5134487002

[ducks]

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1249827680788381697?s=20

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/sethjlevy/status/1249873832372035585But you said the lockdowns were totally unnecessary.

Pick a lane.

[ducks]

HOPE FOR CHANGE3 hours ago
Back in February, health officials in New York told residents to congregate in huge crowds in “defiance” of President Trump's coronavirus response, a move that could have exposed thousands of people to COVID-19.

New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot posted a tweet on February 9 urging citizens to flock to Chinatown in large numbers to celebrate the lunar new year while suggesting that advice to avoid crowds was “misinformation.”

Commissioner Oxiris Barbot

✔@NYCHealthCommr

Today our city is celebrating the #LunarNewYear parade in Chinatown, a beautiful cultural tradition with a rich history in our city. I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus.

https://on.nyc.gov/377LlcH

[ChumpDumper]

HOPE FOR CHANGE3 hours ago
Back in February, health officials in New York told residents to congregate in huge crowds in “defiance” of President Trump's coronavirus response, a move that could have exposed thousands of people to COVID-19.

New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot posted a tweet on February 9 urging citizens to flock to Chinatown in large numbers to celebrate the lunar new year while suggesting that advice to avoid crowds was “misinformation.”

Commissioner Oxiris Barbot

✔@NYCHealthCommr

Today our city is celebrating the #LunarNewYear parade in Chinatown, a beautiful cultural tradition with a rich history in our city. I want to remind everyone to enjoy the parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus.

https://on.nyc.gov/377LlcHYes that was bad.

Trump fucked up worse. Why not just accept it?

[Nathan89]

I just wish you guys could keep your trump hating in the trump hating thread and keep one fucking thread open for just covid19 news. It's really not much to ask.

The agenda always has to be pushed tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

The agenda always has to be pushed tbh.Trump is always fucking up. Why not just admit he fucked up?

[midnightpulp]

https://mobile.twitter.com/sethjlevy/status/1249873832372035585

Does wingnut twatter even watch the videos they post to "own the libs?" :lol

"This could be a big outbreak...To protect the American public, that's why we have to do the things we have in our plan."

From Dear Leader's twitter:


March 9: “The Fake News media & their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power to inflame the Coronavirus situation.”

So 10 days later, and no indication of that plan Fauci was talking about being implemented. Just more whiny tweets to fish for sympathy from "the base."

Okay, so for the sake of the argument, let's buy that Fauci's response was insufficient. Trump had other experts and even a yes man in Peter Navarro warn him of this thing in late January. Fauci wasn't the only expert or dissenting voice in town. What did I say about this earlier to other posts trying to excuse Trump for the supposed fuckups of his team? Managers are on the hook for the fuckups of their team. If Trump just listened to the experts that told him what he wanted to hear, then he's a shitty manager.

[ElNono]

Crazier than usual presser today.

1249834932513505280


Yikes.


ramping up the fascism

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1249873227939266560?s=20

Based on this there are 7 asymptomatic Wuhan virus carriers for every 1 symptomatic.

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1249873227939266560?s=20

Based on this there are 7 asymptomatic Wuhan virus carriers for every 1 symptomatic.

Selective sample. Expectant mothers won't "behave" the same socially as regular people. They frequent the hospital more, have group Lemaze sessions (heavy breathing, which could contribute to transmission), and are younger on average. Women also provably have better immune systems than men, and who knows if being pregnant acts an immune system boost.

Anyhow, we already have a much better study. The Iceland study, which estimates 25-50% asymptomatic.

[Winehole23]

Does wingnut twatter even watch the videos they post to "own the libs?" :lol

"This could be a big outbreak...To protect the American public, that's why we have to do the things we have in our plan."

From Dear Leader's twitter:



So 10 days later, and no indication of that plan Fauci was talking about being implemented. Just more whiny tweets to fish for sympathy from "the base."

Okay, so for the sake of the argument, let's buy that Fauci's response was insufficient. Trump had other experts and even a yes man in Peter Navarro warn him of this thing in late January. Fauci wasn't the only expert or dissenting voice in town. What did I say about this earlier to other posts trying to excuse Trump for the supposed fuckups of his team? Managers are on the hook for the fuckups of their team. If Trump just listened to the experts that told him what he wanted to hear, then he's a shitty manager.The buck never stops at the President's desk. There's always a scapegoat.

[midnightpulp]

Does Dear Leader even do states rights?


What this means for President Trump is that he simply has no power to control this issue. He can stand in front of a camera and urge governors to rescind their orders. He can instruct the CDC to change its recommendations. He can tell federal workers to go back to work. But, what he can’t do is issue a binding order to America’s governors that overrules their independent judgment about what is best for their states. If the governors want to keep their states “closed,” they can do so regardless of how much the president tweets.

[TSA]

Does wingnut twatter even watch the videos they post to "own the libs?" :lol

"This could be a big outbreak...To protect the American public, that's why we have to do the things we have in our plan."

From Dear Leader's twitter:



So 10 days later, and no indication of that plan Fauci was talking about being implemented. Just more whiny tweets to fish for sympathy from "the base."

Okay, so for the sake of the argument, let's buy that Fauci's response was insufficient. Trump had other experts and even a yes man in Peter Navarro warn him of this thing in late January. Fauci wasn't the only expert or dissenting voice in town. What did I say about this earlier to other posts trying to excuse Trump for the supposed fuckups of his team? Managers are on the hook for the fuckups of their team. If Trump just listened to the experts that told him what he wanted to hear, then he's a shitty manager.

March 9th


If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/03/09/fauci-says-cruising-is-ok-if-you-are-healthy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[ElNono]

You can't claim total authority then be absolved from any mistakes or tough decision making.

Yep, the whole "I'm not responsible" thingie is complete lack of leadership too. Dear Leader can't have it both ways.

[ChumpDumper]

March 9th



https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/03/09/fauci-says-cruising-is-ok-if-you-are-healthy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true:lol the buck stops with President Fauci apparently.

Also, are young healthy people really the vulnerable ones?

[Nathan89]

Selective sample. Expectant mothers won't "behave" the same socially as regular people. They frequent the hospital more, have group Lemaze sessions (heavy breathing, which could contribute to transmission), and are younger on average. Women also provably have better immune systems than men, and who knows if being pregnant acts an immune system boost.

Anyhow, we already have a much better study. The Iceland study, which estimates 25-50% asymptomatic.

Behavior doesn't change asymptomatic vs symptomatic. Being younger and female is relevant though.

[midnightpulp]

The buck never stops at the President's desk. There's always a scapegoat.

Also kind of funny that wingnuts think there's some liberal attachment to Fauci. If it's proven Fauci downplayed the risk, didn't urge preparedness, and formulate a plan during the run up to this, can his ass. But that doesn't excuse Trump from anything in the slightest. Again, Fauci isn't the king of experts. If Fauci advised Trump behind closed doors that this isn't a threat to the US, a competent manager would get dozens and dozens of expert opinions on the matter considering the gravity of the situation. That's just the way it works. The "buck stops" with managers, executives, etc. If their team fucks up, they get the axe along with their team.

[midnightpulp]

DP

[ElNono]

March 9th
https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/03/09/fauci-says-cruising-is-ok-if-you-are-healthy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

March 8th

Yesterday, Fauci told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace, “Elderly with underlying conditions, heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes (should) not wait, but right now, to sort of take look at things that are at high risk, crowded places, getting on airplanes, and absolutely don’t get on a cruise ship.”

Same article you linked... just a few lines below.

[ChumpDumper]

March 8th

Yesterday, Fauci told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace, “Elderly with underlying conditions, heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes (should) not wait, but right now, to sort of take look at things that are at high risk, crowded places, getting on airplanes, and absolutely don’t get on a cruise ship.”

Same article you linked... just a few lines below.Lord Fauci

:lol TSA is a lying rube apologist

[ducks]

It's just much easier for simple minds to blame Trump for covid19. The US isn't a totalitarian government. The reaction was maybe a few weeks late from total lockdown but you dont sell a total lockdown to the US public when nobody is sick.

Yeah look at the big protest in Michigan now

[midnightpulp]

March 9th



https://www.forbes.com/sites/douggollan/2020/03/09/fauci-says-cruising-is-ok-if-you-are-healthy/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

How come you left the rest of the quote out :lol


Fauci then said, “If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship. But the fact is that if you have…an individual who has an underlying condition, particularly an elderly person who has an underlying condition, I would recommend strongly that they do not go on a cruise ship.”

"Young and healthy person" is a pretty big qualifier considering the health of the average American. Even a troubling percentage of "young Americans" are obese, have the beetus, hypertension, are smokers/vapers, eat terribly, etc.

I agree that Fauci should've been more "alarmist," but I don't see him calling anything a Democratic hoax there like the Dear Leader.

[ducks]

:lol the buck stops with President Fauci apparently.

Also, are young healthy people really the vulnerable ones?

He is the dr trump is suppose to listen to ask liberals

[Winehole23]

March 8th

Yesterday, Fauci told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace, “Elderly with underlying conditions, heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes (should) not wait, but right now, to sort of take look at things that are at high risk, crowded places, getting on airplanes, and absolutely don’t get on a cruise ship.”

Same article you linked... just a few lines below.
Criticizes misleading edits, edits misleadingly. Both happened today.

[ElNono]

It's just much easier for simple minds to blame Trump for covid19. The US isn't a totalitarian government. The reaction was maybe a few weeks late from total lockdown but you dont sell a total lockdown to the US public when nobody is sick.

But he just said he has absolute power... so which is it?

[ChumpDumper]

He is the dr trump is suppose to listen to ask liberalsBut he didn't.

[ChumpDumper]

Criticizes misleading edits, edits misleadingly. Both happened today.


But he just said he has absolute power... so which is it?These rubes doing backflips for Dear Leader who would step over them if they were on fire to piss on his daughter.

[TimDunkem]

"Coronavirus has now killed Americans in all 50 states"
https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/coronavirus-has-now-killed-americans-in-all-50-states/

Note: Wyoming reported the death yesterday even though the man died last week. I wonder how many deaths are out there that are yet to be reported.

[Winehole23]

But he just said he has absolute power... so which is it?
Absolute power with zero responsibility.

[TSA]

Criticizes misleading edits, edits misleadingly. Both happened today.

There was nothing misleading about what I decided to quote. If I was trying to mislead why would I link the whole article.

[ChumpDumper]

There was nothing misleading about what I decided to quote. If I was trying to mislead why would I link the whole article.So you wanted to have your argument destroyed immediately and be mocked for it.

Nice.

[TSA]

How come you left the rest of the quote out :lol



"Young and healthy person" is a pretty big qualifier considering the health of the average American. Even a troubling percentage of "young Americans" are obese, have the beetus, hypertension, are smokers/vapers, eat terribly, etc.

I agree that Fauci should've been more "alarmist," but I don't see him calling anything a Democratic hoax there like the Dear Leader.

Just pointing out as late as March 8th Fauci was not sounding the alarm. We had shitty information at that time due to China and WHO.

[ChumpDumper]

Just pointing out as late as March 8th Fauci was not sounding the alarm. We had shitty information at that time due to China and WHO.Yesterday, Fauci told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace, “Elderly with underlying conditions, heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes (should) not wait, but right now, to sort of take look at things that are at high risk, crowded places, getting on airplanes, and absolutely don’t get on a cruise ship.”

That's an alarm, rube.

[Winehole23]

There was nothing misleading about what I decided to quote. If I was trying to mislead why would I link the whole article.Many posters are averse to reading and following links. Being a cynical propagandist, you rely on this to get your message out.

[Winehole23]

Yesterday, Fauci told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace, “Elderly with underlying conditions, heart disease, chronic lung disease, diabetes (should) not wait, but right now, to sort of take look at things that are at high risk, crowded places, getting on airplanes, and absolutely don’t get on a cruise ship.”

That's an alarm, rube.Intriguingly, Pence echoed Fauci's statement around the same time. Said go ahead and do the cruise -- unless you're elderly or sick.

The inclusion of caveats makes it a warning in form, though the practical context -- indeed, the occasion for which Pence was in Florida -- was to fluff the cruise lines.

[ChumpDumper]

Intriguingly, Pence echoed Fauci's statement around the same time. Said go ahead and do the cruise -- unless you're elderly or sick.

The inclusion of caveats makes it a warning in form, though the practical context -- indeed, the occasion for which Pence was in Florida -- was to fluff the cruise lines.Dude told 25% of cruise ship passengers to definitely not go and somehow TSA thinks that's not a warning.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1249826528571121664

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1249781411126657025?s=20

"This is how it is all over the world. Both in countries where they have taken closure steps like Italy and in countries that have not had closures like Taiwan or Singapore. In such and such countries there is an increase until the fourth to sixth week, and immediately thereafter moderation until during the eighth week it disappears."

"This is happening both in countries that have closed down like us and in those that have not closed until today like Sweden, every country no matter its response. The decline and rise occur according to the same timeline," he said, adding that his observations are based entirely on past data without attempting to guess what will happen in the future.

"It's clear to us how the epidemic is starting and what is causing the increase. What is causing the moderation is unclear. Therefore, I propose that we end the closures immediately after the current week. We will start increasing the workforce from 15 percent to fifty percent and in two weeks we will reach 100 percent."

[ElNono]

Just pointing out as late as March 8th Fauci was not sounding the alarm. We had shitty information at that time due to China and WHO.

He was already recommending social distancing for a relatively large swath of our population. Maybe he needed to tweet it and blame Obama so it sounded more alarmist?

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1249781411126657025?s=20

"This is how it is all over the world. Both in countries where they have taken closure steps like Italy and in countries that have not had closures like Taiwan or Singapore. In such and such countries there is an increase until the fourth to sixth week, and immediately thereafter moderation until during the eighth week it disappears."

"This is happening both in countries that have closed down like us and in those that have not closed until today like Sweden, every country no matter its response. The decline and rise occur according to the same timeline," he said, adding that his observations are based entirely on past data without attempting to guess what will happen in the future.

"It's clear to us how the epidemic is starting and what is causing the increase. What is causing the moderation is unclear. Therefore, I propose that we end the closures immediately after the current week. We will start increasing the workforce from 15 percent to fifty percent and in two weeks we will reach 100 percent."

Already debunked a few posts ago. Not a study either.

[daslicer]

He was already recommending social distancing for a relatively large swath of our population. Maybe he needed to tweet it and blame Obama so it sounded more alarmist?

:lmao

[TDMVPDPOY]

cant stay home when u have idiots who wont listen to simple instructions to stay home isolate, yet u have monkeys out and about flouting the laws like they are self entitled... the sooner everyone accepts the responsibility, get the numbers down, then restrictions of movement will be lifted...instead fck it i walk anywhere and when i want attitude of certain clowns, is also the same clowns in ICU begging for help..fck those clowns

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1249917645354422274?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1249917645354422274?s=19

Models good now.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1249865160606601217?s=19

Thanks Obama!

[Chris]

Models good now.

Show me where I said models were bad.

Chop-chop.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1249917645354422274?s=19

It's something that's been suspected, tbh, unfortunately, it's hard to ascertain especially in light of our failure to do mass testing. Hopefully that's changing, and anti-body tests become more widely available and free.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1249865160606601217?s=19

Thanks Obama!

I thought it came from a hoax... you guys need to pick a lane, tbh

[Chris]

I thought it came from a hoax... you guys need to pick a lane, tbh

Show me where I said it came from a hoax.

Chop-chop.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1249865160606601217?s=19

Thanks Obama!But it's just like the flu.

Pick a lane.

Chop chop.

[ChumpDumper]

Show me where I said models were bad.

Chop-chop.Models always good?

OK.

[Chris]

Models always good?

OK.

Show me where I said models were bad.

Step up or roll over.

[ChumpDumper]

Show me where I said models were bad.

Step up or roll over.OK, you think models are always good.

I believe you.

[Chris]

Roll over then :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Roll over then :lolI corrected myself.

You think all models are good.:tu

Thanks for confirming.:tu

[TDMVPDPOY]

democrats instead of blaming china for the virus, rather spend their money and time blaming trump the chump.....

[Chris]

I corrected myself.

You think all models are good.:tu

Thanks for confirming.:tu

mv5qzMtLE60

[ElNono]

Show me where I said it came from a hoax.

Chop-chop.

You certainly were eerily quiet when Dear Leader was being shat on for the stupid shit he kept saying.

But ok, let's pretend you weren't knobslobbing his claim this was all a hoax.

[Chris]

You certainly were eerily quiet when Dear Leader was being shat on for the stupid shit he kept saying.

But ok, let's pretend you weren't knobslobbing his claim this was all a hoax.

You can pretend if you like. That's what Liberals do to avoid reality.

[ElNono]

You can pretend if you like. That's what Liberals do to avoid reality.

Again, we'll pretend you didn't post any of this...


He's damned by Media no matter what he does. You know the gameplan.


Damned by his words and actions in a crisis where words and actions matter, tbh.


Crisis?

Carry on, next tweet please...

[ChumpDumper]

You can pretend if you like. That's what Liberals do to avoid reality.You always thought it was real and disagreed with Trump's downplaying of it?

OK:lol

[Chris]

Again, we'll pretend you didn't post any of this...







Carry on, next tweet please...


Show me where I said it came from a hoax.

Chop-chop.

[ChumpDumper]

Qhris disavowing his support of Trump.

Never thought I'd see the day.

:wow

[ElNono]

Show me where I said it came from a hoax.

Chop-chop.

You said it isn't a crisis... again, pick a lane.

[Blake]

Already debunked a few posts ago. Not a study either.

Lol Nathan

[Spurtacular]

Lol Nathan

Tell us about it.

[Chris]

You said it isn't a crisis... again, pick a lane.

At the time of the post it wasn't the crisis it has become now.Still waiting on the hoax quote. Just look for it tomorrow or something I guess :lol

[DarrinS]

China fucked us, tbh

I'm more convinced than ever, this leaked from their lab.

[RandomGuy]

China fucked us, tbh

I'm more convinced than ever, this leaked from their lab.

All ready gene sequenced. It wasn't.

Jesus, you fuckers are going full on conspiratard. I happily approve of you guys finally going off the deep end.

TDS has claimed another victim.

[RandomGuy]

There was nothing misleading about what I decided to quote. If I was trying to mislead why would I link the whole article.

Maybe you can tell me how this germ outsmarted the antibiotics. :rollin

[ChumpDumper]

China fucked us, tbh

I'm more convinced than ever, this leaked from their lab.Seems improbable.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJ0EmMfb3U

[RandomGuy]

democrats instead of blaming china for the virus, rather spend their money and time blaming trump the chump.....

China fucking lied, and down played it, and delayed the world's responding effectively.

But China doesn't control how Trump administration has fucking bungled this every step of the way. Other than bribing Trump not to call it the "Chinese virus". :lol

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMJ0EmMfb3UYou know the Epoch Times was found by some Falun Gong dudes, right?

[clambake]

It's just much easier for simple minds to blame Trump for covid19. The US isn't a totalitarian government. The reaction was maybe a few weeks late from total lockdown but you dont sell a total lockdown to the US public when nobody is sick.

ha ha obedient dale has a suck buddy !!

[clambake]

i love that cowboy acts like the sound of reason


"i dont like stuff thats he's doing"



"well fuck it, give the cowboy your bunghole, mr president"

[midnightpulp]

Just pointing out as late as March 8th Fauci was not sounding the alarm. We had shitty information at that time due to China and WHO.

Italy had their first >100 death day on March 8th. Prorate that out to our pop, and it's about 500 deaths. At that point, every expert, leader, etc should've taken it seriously. Fauci was indeed light handed and should've been more urging. That's his dropped ball. But him dropping the ball doesn't excuse Trump for basically saying it's a Democratic plot to hurt him 2 days later. Here's what a responsible leader who wasn't a former gameshow host and pyramid schemer would say:

"We're monitoring the situation in Italy very closely, who just experienced a spike in deaths due to the Coronavirus. We've only had 22 deaths so far in the US, but that's no reason to let our guard down. I'll be consulting a team of experts on the matter to see what our future course of action should be. Until then, I'd advise all US citizens, especially the elderly and those with health conditions, to avoid large crowds, travel, and practice good handwashing."

[Thread]

Italy had their first >100 death day on March 8th. Prorate that out to our pop, and it's about 500 deaths. At that point, every expert, leader, etc should've taken it seriously. Fauci was indeed light handed and should've been more urging. That's his dropped ball. But him dropping the ball doesn't excuse Trump for basically saying it's a Democratic plot to hurt him 2 days later. Here's what a responsible leader who wasn't a former gameshow host and pyramid schemer would say:

"We're monitoring the situation in Italy very closely, who just experienced a spike in deaths due to the Coronavirus. We've only had 22 deaths so far in the US, but that's no reason to let our guard down. I'll be consulting a team of experts on the matter to see what our future course of action should be. Until then, I'd advise all US citizens, especially the elderly and those with health conditions, to avoid large crowds, travel, and practice good handwashing."

---& don't you fret, Midst, as soon as Biden gets his Tired Old Shit Bag ass in there that is precisely how he's gonna run 'er.

[ElNono]

At the time of the post it wasn't the crisis it has become now.Still waiting on the hoax quote. Just look for it tomorrow or something I guess :lol

thanks for admitting you were wrong. :tu

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1249781411126657025?s=20

"This is how it is all over the world. Both in countries where they have taken closure steps like Italy and in countries that have not had closures like Taiwan or Singapore. In such and such countries there is an increase until the fourth to sixth week, and immediately thereafter moderation until during the eighth week it disappears."

"This is happening both in countries that have closed down like us and in those that have not closed until today like Sweden, every country no matter its response. The decline and rise occur according to the same timeline," he said, adding that his observations are based entirely on past data without attempting to guess what will happen in the future.

"It's clear to us how the epidemic is starting and what is causing the increase. What is causing the moderation is unclear. Therefore, I propose that we end the closures immediately after the current week. We will start increasing the workforce from 15 percent to fifty percent and in two weeks we will reach 100 percent."

Terrible fuckin' "analysis."


Prof. Ben-Israel is the chairman of the Israeli Space Agency and the National Council for Research and Development, the head of the Security Studies program at Tel Aviv University, and a former MK for the Kadima party. He holds a PhD in Philosophy and a BSc in Physics and Mathematics from Tel Aviv University.

So, not an epidemiologist. But I won't appeal to authority here. Let's look at the problems with his argument.


Prof. Ben-Israel explained his position, pointing out that when measuring the rate of additional patients to existing patients, the trend can be clearly identified and adjusted in all countries. If, at the beginning of the epidemic, the rate of hospitalization was increasing at a rapid rate every day, this reality has since changed radically.

Yes, this is how bell curves work. Most events in nature follow some kind of bell curve and don't exponentially increase forever. Everyone already knows this, so he's saying nothing new. The entire point of our social distancing and stay-at-home measures is to reduce the bell's peak.


"This is how it is all over the world. Both in countries where they have taken closure steps like Italy and in countries that have not had closures like Taiwan or Singapore. In such and such countries there is an increase until the fourth to sixth week, and immediately thereafter moderation until during the eighth week it disappears."

HUGE handwave here. These examples are not analogous, even if the overall trends were similar in acceleration and decline. He's basically implying that the outcome would be the same everywhere regardless of the steps taken to reduce spread. That's not the case, as Italy's had a much more severe outcome than those countries. And those countries had the luxury of not having to implement a total lockdown because they tested, traced, and quarantined early.


"This is happening both in countries that have closed down like us and in those that have not closed until today like Sweden, every country no matter its response. The decline and rise occur according to the same timeline," he said, adding that his observations are based entirely on past data without attempting to guess what will happen in the future.

Same handwave as above. "Eh, Sweden and the US are basically the same, even though one country had locked down and the other hasn't. This proves lockdowns are correlational at best. Open up the country!" No, it doesn't.

California has five times the population density as Sweden, 4 times as many people, more frequent international travel, had their first confirmed cases like a month and a week earlier, and yet their deaths per 1 million is 16 vs. Sweden's 91. Sweden's approach has been a case study in what not to do in a pandemic. Their Nordic neighbors are seeing fewer deaths, and other countries that are trying the herd immunity approach are getting hammered.


However, Prof. Ben-Israel added that he "recommends that we take all the hygienic steps like wearing masks and keeping our distance from person to person and banning crowds because it does not cost the economy.

Lol. This is basically what we're doing already. Reason we've closed down bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters, churches, beaches, etc is because those places draw crowds. An office space with 200 workers in close proximity is a "crowd."

100 percent workforce in 2 weeks :lol.

[ElNono]

Terrible fuckin' "analysis."

100 percent workforce in 2 weeks :lol.

Not to mention that China (whom i would agree still serves up misleading numbers), Singapore, etc, had recurrence after they thought it was under control. Also, the disparity in testing coverage and how that changed the outlook in different countries is also MIA from this 'study'.

[midnightpulp]

Not to mention that China (whom i would agree still serves up misleading numbers), Singapore, etc, had recurrence after they thought it was under control. Also, the disparity in testing coverage and how that changed the outlook in different countries is also MIA from this 'study'.

Libertarian twitter has lost their minds. 100 percent workforce in two weeks. I find it quite intellectually dishonest when they label this virus an "old people problem," and if we just isolate those most at risk and let the "young people" get back to work, we'll save the economy!

65 percent of people ages 55-64 are still in the workforce.

https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm

Shit, almost 30 percent of people ages 65-74 are still working. And 80 percent of 45-54 year olds work. All at risk groups, especially considering the preexisting conditions prevalent in these age groups. Those groups still make up a decent chunk of food service employees, over 2 million https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11b.htm. Yeah, I'm sure they'll just be itching to get back to work.

[boutons_deux]

Trash gives the employers cover,

they order people back to work,

employees become diseased, injured for life, or killed, will there be any accountability?

What about employees who refuse to work? will they be fired? evicted? homeless?

[ElNono]

Libertarian twitter has lost their minds. 100 percent workforce in two weeks. I find it quite intellectually dishonest when they label this virus an "old people problem," and if we just isolate those most at risk and let the "young people" get back to work, we'll save the economy!

65 percent of people ages 55-64 are still in the workforce.

https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm

Shit, almost 30 percent of people ages 65-74 are still working. And 80 percent of 45-54 year olds work. All at risk groups, especially considering the preexisting conditions prevalent in these age groups. Those groups still make up a decent chunk of food service employees, over 2 million https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11b.htm. Yeah, I'm sure they'll just be itching to get back to work.

Even if we argue we don't give a shit about old people dying, the contagion rate of this thing is brutal. This is what seemingly still escapes some people. And the only reasonable way to gauge is with actual testing.

Both of these are plausible scenarios (due to the lack of solid testing):
- 60% of the US population already has/had the virus (~200 million). That leaves ~150 million as potential new cases. 1% of those fall ill within the same week and need hospitalization (1.5 million), 5% of those need concurrent ICU visits/ventilators (75,000).
- 10% of the US population already has/had the virus (~35 million). That leaves ~315 million as potential new cases. 1% of those fall ill within the same week and need hospitalization (3 million), 5% of those need concurrent ICU visits/ventilators (150,000).

I think I'm being extremely conservative with the percentages, but feel free to correct me. In addition, hospital capacity varies from city to city and state to state.

But planning for one or the other is very different. In the first case, our system would be pretty much at the limit, but perhaps with some juggling we can make it. The second case is collapse everywhere. That's roughly 3 times our capacity.

Without testing you're flying blind, and it's really irresponsible to make such decisions without the actual data.

[boutons_deux]

I think I'm being extremely conservative with the percentages

The 2009 H1N1 FLU pandemic continued into 2010

60M infected

12500 dead

C19 CORONAVIRUS (is not a flu) is much MORE transmissible and much MORE fatal,

while survivors of advanced infections have been damaged permanently in their lungs and heart, and maybe the brain, resulting in permanent disability.

One young guy who came off several days in a coma on a ventilator says he had to put a stool in his shower because he got exhausted from standing that long. His lungs are permanently damaged.

[boutons_deux]

“We Are Constantly Warned Not to Speak Negatively”: Hospitals Crack Down on COVID-19 Complaints

Health care workers on the front lines are desperate for resources, but those who speak out are being muzzled.

“The reason they fired me was to conceal my voice,” says one Mississippi doctor.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/hospitals-crack-down-on-covid-19-complaints?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_Hive_041420&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_Hive_041420&utm_term=VYF_Hive

For-profit hospitals and/or taxpayer/county hospitals?

[RandomGuy]

Terrible fuckin' "analysis."



So, not an epidemiologist. But I won't appeal to authority here. Let's look at the problems with his argument.
Yes, this is how bell curves work. Most events in nature follow some kind of bell curve and don't exponentially increase forever. Everyone already knows this, so he's saying nothing new. The entire point of our social distancing and stay-at-home measures is to reduce the bell's peak.



HUGE handwave here. These examples are not analogous, even if the overall trends were similar in acceleration and decline. He's basically implying that the outcome would be the same everywhere regardless of the steps taken to reduce spread. That's not the case, as Italy's had a much more severe outcome than those countries. And those countries had the luxury of not having to implement a total lockdown because they tested, traced, and quarantined early.



Same handwave as above. "Eh, Sweden and the US are basically the same, even though one country had locked down and the other hasn't. This proves lockdowns are correlational at best. Open up the country!" No, it doesn't.

California has five times the population density as Sweden, 4 times as many people, more frequent international travel, had their first confirmed cases like a month and a week earlier, and yet their deaths per 1 million is 16 vs. Sweden's 91. Sweden's approach has been a case study in what not to do in a pandemic. Their Nordic neighbors are seeing fewer deaths, and other countries that are trying the herd immunity approach are getting hammered.



Lol. This is basically what we're doing already. Reason we've closed down bars, restaurants, clubs, theaters, churches, beaches, etc is because those places draw crowds. An office space with 200 workers in close proximity is a "crowd."

100 percent workforce in 2 weeks :lol.

Well done. That is officially a pwn. Nathan89 glommed on to something that fit his confirmation bias, and did not apply critical thinking skills to what he read.

That is what critical thinking looks like.

Nathan, the stuff you post here routinely gets shredded like this.

What does that say to you about the things you think are real or valid?

[RandomGuy]

Even if we argue we don't give a shit about old people dying, the contagion rate of this thing is brutal. This is what seemingly still escapes some people. And the only reasonable way to gauge is with actual testing.

Both of these are plausible scenarios (due to the lack of solid testing):
- 60% of the US population already has/had the virus (~200 million). That leaves ~150 million as potential new cases. 1% of those fall ill within the same week and need hospitalization (1.5 million), 5% of those need concurrent ICU visits/ventilators (75,000).
- 10% of the US population already has/had the virus (~35 million). That leaves ~315 million as potential new cases. 1% of those fall ill within the same week and need hospitalization (3 million), 5% of those need concurrent ICU visits/ventilators (150,000).

I think I'm being extremely conservative with the percentages, but feel free to correct me. In addition, hospital capacity varies from city to city and state to state.

But planning for one or the other is very different. In the first case, our system would be pretty much at the limit, but perhaps with some juggling we can make it. The second case is collapse everywhere. That's roughly 3 times our capacity.

Without testing you're flying blind, and it's really irresponsible to make such decisions without the actual data.

Again, we can get a rough estimation as to the penetration so far by backtracking infections from known deaths which are a more complete data set.

Death toll of a total of 21,000 implies about 3.1M people have had the disease, as of about two weeks ago, as it takes about two weeks to kill you. (based on the best available evidence where total populations of people have been tested-cruise ships etc). R-naught of 1.3 means that about 4M have it right now, a large percentage of which are asymptomatic. Very probably more, because of death undercounting, which is probably substantial at this point.

Each thousand people dead implies an additional 151,515 people have caught the disease, regardless of the number of confirmed tests.

By the time we reach 100,000 fatalities that would imply that only 15M people have had this. That is only 5% of the population.

:(

[hater]

sure they can have a everything open in 2 weeks but the ERs will again get flooded and bodies will pile up

the cat is out of the bag. they would have to institute a federal body removal service similar to garbage pickups that would pick up bodies from curbs on a weekly basis.

our healthcare system is 3rd world. need to face that fact and donwhat 3rd world countries do and shut down
for much longer than 1st world countries

its like in NBA when you have a shitty team. you cannot compete like the bigs boys and have to tank to get better players. same thing here

[boutons_deux]

Well done. That is officially a pwn. Nathan89 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20260) glommed on to something that fit his confirmation bias, and did not apply critical thinking skills to what he read.

That is what critical thinking looks like.

Nathan, the stuff you post here routinely gets shredded like this.

What does that say to you about the things you think are real or valid?

Nathan, ducks, etc are fucking stupid, ignorant, indoctrinated/brainwashed cultists, just like religionists

[Trill Clinton]

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2020/03/20/15/trump-reddit-coronavirus-statements.png

[RandomGuy]

FBI DISCOVERS PROMISED STOCKPILE OF 39 MILLION MEDICAL MASKS WAS A SCAM
https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-discovers-promised-stockpile-39-million-medical-masks-was-scam-1497489


Not too surprised. My scamdar pinged that one as "too good to be true", and the more you think about it, the less plausible it sounds. "entity with 39 million valuable masks promises to make some rando union somewhere the sole distributor for them, instead of selling them to desperate governments that will almost certainly pay more".

[ducks]

What this Yahoo report and the other media reports totally leave out is Fauchis later response where he says in response to one questioner: “not once did the President not follow my recommendations as soon as I asked him to do so. Fauchi said the President always followed his immediate recommendations and requests. The media, including Yahoo, leaves that out that was asked and discussed in Monday’s Task Force briefing of April 13, 2020. Start telling the truth and maybe the Nation will start reading and listening to the media.
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[hater]

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2020/03/20/15/trump-reddit-coronavirus-statements.png

if DNC can somehow successfully use this on election season Orangegutan is toast

my prediction is DNC will somehow drop the ball on this soft ball and lose anyway :lmao

[boutons_deux]

if DNC can somehow successfully use this on election season Orangegutan is toast

my prediction is DNC will somehow drop the ball on this soft ball and lose anyway :lmao

I have absolutely no confidence in the DNC, confirmed by DNC/Dem establishment finding Biden as the best they can do.

Hillary proved running against Trash, and there's a LOT more shit to throw at Trash now, rather articulating Big Idea policies that poll to be popular, and with plenty of implementation details like Warren does.

Trash will have by far the largest war chest since the oligarchy he enriched with the tax cut scam, and again with the C19 bailouts, give $Bs to beat the Dems.

no-enthusiasm Biden was badly outraised by Bernie

I think Biden will benefit, like Obama did after war loser dumb fuck dubya, from the ANYBODY but Trash vote, that could be decisive.

[Chad.]

Does anybody else find it strange that the guy leading the charge against fighting the pandemic (Dr. Fauci) is supposedly sleeping 4 hours a night? You'd think such a high profile public official like this, who spends all this time warning us and preaching about preventative measures, would prioritize getting quality sleep. Sleep deprivation is known to wreck your immune system

[hater]

Does anybody else find it strange that the guy leading the charge against fighting the pandemic (Dr. Fauci) is supposedly sleeping 4 hours a night? You'd think such a high profile public official like this, who spends all this time warning us and preaching about preventative measures, would prioritize getting quality sleep. Sleep deprivation is known to wreck your immune system

hes been looking like a corpse for the last month tbqh

I called it

a regular flu would take this poor bastard to the ER

[midnightpulp]

I was waiting for "muh Sweden." A favorite example of Libertarian twitter everywhere. First of all, his graph showing Sweden's precipitous decline isn't convincing of much anything. Deaths lag, reporting slows down over the weekend, and Sweden just reported their peak in daily cases 4 days ago. It stands to the reason they will be experiencing a few more death peaks over the next month. And why is Sweden an example of anything? Norway and Denmark have about the same population as Sweden, but the death count is 919 vs. 419. Sweden is also a much smaller country with a healthier population. Easier to apply the herd immunity strategy there than it would be here. The Netherlands also went for the herd immunity strategy and has gotten hammered. So did the UK in the early days. Also hammered.



And Sweden just tied their highest daily death toll.

[boutons_deux]

shitbag Repugs shitting up shithole TX with shitty medical advice from shitbag Trash

Texas sends doses of unproven coronavirus treatment hydroxychloroquine to D-FW hospitals

At least 70 hospitals across Texas have received shipments of hydroxychloroquine from the Department of State Health Services.


https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/04/10/texas-sends-doses-of-unproven-drug-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-coronavirus-to-d-fw-hospitals/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Dallas+County+judge+s+fight+to+stop+co ronavirus%2C+Gov++Abbott+to+unveil+strategy+for++r estoring+livelihoods+%2C+fight+over+mail-in+voting&utm_campaign=Politics_04142020 (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/04/10/texas-sends-doses-of-unproven-drug-hydroxychloroquine-to-treat-coronavirus-to-d-fw-hospitals/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Dallas+County+judge+s+fight+to+stop+co ronavirus%2C+Gov++Abbott+to+unveil+strategy+for++r estoring+livelihoods+%2C+fight+over+mail-in+voting&utm_campaign=Politics_04142020)

recent HCQ study was STOPPED due to heart risks

[boutons_deux]

one of the most dumberest of TX Repug shitbags

East Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert slammed by opponent after urging use of nonexistent powder for COVID-19

The Tyler Republican claims mystery powder used in Germany keeps surfaces coronavirus-free for 14 days.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/04/10/east-texas-rep-louie-gohmert-slammed-by-opponent-after-urging-use-of-nonexistent-powder-for-covid-19/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Dallas+County+judge+s+fight+to+stop+co ronavirus%2C+Gov++Abbott+to+unveil+strategy+for++r estoring+livelihoods+%2C+fight+over+mail-in+voting&utm_campaign=Politics_04142020 (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/04/10/east-texas-rep-louie-gohmert-slammed-by-opponent-after-urging-use-of-nonexistent-powder-for-covid-19/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Dallas+County+judge+s+fight+to+stop+co ronavirus%2C+Gov++Abbott+to+unveil+strategy+for++r estoring+livelihoods+%2C+fight+over+mail-in+voting&utm_campaign=Politics_04142020)

[hater]

And Sweden just tied their highest daily death toll.

besides stockholm, sweden is very sparsely populated and abut 50% of its population already work from hom

it does not take too much to understand why they tried their strategy

not to mention they have 1st world healthcare

we have none of those 3 aspects I described above

still I believe Sweden is inadvertently killing off its old an poor

[pgardn]

...

[pgardn]

The 2009 H1N1 FLU pandemic continued into 2010

60M infected

12500 dead

C19 CORONAVIRUS (is not a flu) is much MORE transmissible and much MORE fatal,

while survivors of advanced infections have been damaged permanently in their lungs and heart, and maybe the brain, resulting in permanent disability.

One young guy who came off several days in a coma on a ventilator says he had to put a stool in his shower because he got exhausted from standing that long. His lungs are permanently damaged.

And this illustrates another problem.

The 60 million number is a number from an epidemiological model based more on symptoms. It is the rare person that actually gets tested for the flu in general.

We will have to have a very large number of reliable tests ready if we want to reopen things piecemeal. This is going to require big cooperation from a federal government led by a WH that’s best message has always been divisive. States acquiring tests individually without some sort of plan will be a mess. We don’t need competition between states for testing.

Orange guy again is in over his head. Better have your testing and distribution gurus ready. That’s not Kushner or Pence. Hopefully they can find people who actually have the expertise (I know this word, expertise, scares the hell out of the all knowing grandiose orange man) Expertise AND WILLING TO PRAISE him like a naughty spoiled child. Pretend like the president figured it all out if you have to.

[Nathan89]

Libertarian twitter has lost their minds. 100 percent workforce in two weeks. I find it quite intellectually dishonest when they label this virus an "old people problem," and if we just isolate those most at risk and let the "young people" get back to work, we'll save the economy!

65 percent of people ages 55-64 are still in the workforce.

https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm

Shit, almost 30 percent of people ages 65-74 are still working. And 80 percent of 45-54 year olds work. All at risk groups, especially considering the preexisting conditions prevalent in these age groups. Those groups still make up a decent chunk of food service employees, over 2 million https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11b.htm. Yeah, I'm sure they'll just be itching to get back to work.

Saying "let young people get back to work" isn't the same as letting everyone that is part of the workforce get back to work. Of course they won't be "itching to get back to work" because they are more at risk and that's why they proposed letting "young people" get back to work

[Spurs Homer]

What this Yahoo report and the other media reports totally leave out is Fauchis later response where he says in response to one questioner: “not once did the President not follow my recommendations as soon as I asked him to do so. Fauchi said the President always followed his immediate recommendations and requests. The media, including Yahoo, leaves that out that was asked and discussed in Monday’s Task Force briefing of April 13, 2020. Start telling the truth and maybe the Nation will start reading and listening to the media.
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So Fauci AND Trump have blood on their hands -

not just Trump


got it!

[boutons_deux]

An employer, 100 people furloughed now all coming back.

How does he know all 100 are not infected but symptomless victims TODAY?

How does he know none of them will not become symptomlessly infected in the following days?

What if a few get very sick, are off work for weeks, get fired, and even die, the employer still thinks "re-opening" his company was good idea, a success?

[Thread]

What this Yahoo report and the other media reports totally leave out is Fauchis later response where he says in response to one questioner: “not once did the President not follow my recommendations as soon as I asked him to do so. Fauchi said the President always followed his immediate recommendations and requests. The media, including Yahoo, leaves that out that was asked and discussed in Monday’s Task Force briefing of April 13, 2020. Start telling the truth and maybe the Nation will start reading and listening to the media.
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ducks, a hero, a genuine stalwart in the finest traditions. Plying his terrible swift sword in all it's glory.

God bless ya, son.

When we're low, when we're dragging ass, getting our shit wrecked, ducks, or, one of the other of our finest bring forth the standard once & again & we're made whole as before.

ducks

ducks

ducks

You big, beautiful waterfowl, you!!!

[SpursforSix]

An employer, 100 people furloughed now all coming back.

How does he know all 100 are not infected but symptomless victims TODAY?

How does he know none of them will not become symptomlessly infected in the following days?

What if a few get very sick, are off work for weeks, get fired, and even die, the employer still thinks "re-opening" his company was good idea, a success?

What if you got in your car to go to McDonald's and got in a tragic wreck that killed you? Do you think that was a good idea?

[pgardn]

Saying "let young people get back to work" isn't the same as letting everyone that is part of the workforce get back to work. Of course they won't be "itching to get back to work" because they are more at risk and that's why they proposed letting "young people" get back to work

So your going with let the young people get infected.
Before testing.

That way when the young people who get their groceries, visit their parents, go back to their children who are not in school...
So just get as many young people infected as possible.

GB wanted to try this.
It failed early enough so they pulled back.

[Nathan89]

Well done. That is officially a pwn. Nathan89 glommed on to something that fit his confirmation bias, and did not apply critical thinking skills to what he read.

That is what critical thinking looks like.

Nathan, the stuff you post here routinely gets shredded like this.

What does that say to you about the things you think are real or valid?

Posting stuff doesn't mean anything.

I didn't latch on to anything. I've posted something.

What is my "confirmation bias"? At what point have I've downplayed this virus?

Most of mid's response is countering "implications" that I disagree with.

In the future spare me of your childish input.

[TimDunkem]

So your going with let the young people get infected.
Before testing.

That way when the young people who get their groceries, visit their parents, go back to their children who are not in school...
So just get as many young people infected as possible.

GB wanted to try this.
It failed early enough so they pulled back.

I thought we discussed this over a month ago. We already know that many who get sick were doing everything right, but were infected by those who brought it home. This is why this is likely to fail at some point without the massive increase in testing AND a robust, working tracking system.

Not sure why some still don't get this yet.

[Nathan89]

So your going with let the young people get infected.
Before testing.

That way when the young people who get their groceries, visit their parents, go back to their children who are not in school...
So just get as many young people infected as possible.

GB wanted to try this.
It failed early enough so they pulled back.

I didn't suggest anything. I pointed out the irrelevance of pointing out "I'm sure these old workers are itching to get back to work" in response to "let young people get back to work".

In such a scenario the elderly are not supposed to come in contact with their children and grandchildren that are not isolated.

GB did herd immunity from what I've seen but I could be wrong. This isn't herd immunity. Well it is but it's controlled herd immunity.

[TimDunkem]

Thailand records it's first case of Covid contracted from a dead body.

[Nathan89]

I thought we discussed this over a month ago. We already know that many who get sick were doing everything right, but were infected by those who brought it home. This is why this is likely to fail at some point without the massive increase in testing AND a robust, working tracking system.

Not sure why some still don't get this yet.

If they live with people going out all the time then they are not "doing everything right".

[TimDunkem]

If they live with people going out all the time then they are not "doing everything right".

Okay. They should move out on the spot.

More out of touch comments from Nate.

[Winehole23]

Saying "let young people get back to work" isn't the same as letting everyone that is part of the workforce get back to work. Of course they won't be "itching to get back to work" because they are more at risk and that's why they proposed letting "young people" get back to workAs previously mentioned, without mass testing and social tracing, it isn't safe to send even "just the young folks" back to work.

Do you think adequate testing and social tracing will be in place in two weeks?

If so, what makes you think so?

[TimDunkem]

As previously mentioned, without mass testing and social tracing, it isn't safe to send even "just the young folks" back to work.

Do you think adequate testing and social tracing will be in place in two weeks?

If so, what makes you think so?

Those dumb, immunocompromised/ at risk need to just lift themselves up by their bootstraps and just move out if they live with an essential worker.

[Winehole23]

Okay. They should move out on the spot.

More out of touch comments from Nate.I don't get the "just the young folks back to work" emphasis. If we send young people back to work without adequate testing/tracing, we put everyone in danger again, because the young are the most likely to be asymptomatic.

[TimDunkem]

I don't get the "just the young folks back to work" emphasis. If we send young people back to work without adequate testing/tracing, we put everyone in danger again, because the young are the most likely to be asymptomatic.

All it takes is one infected object at home after catching it on your commute back, for example. Even Cuomo just said this has the potential to fail in a week without the right systems in place first.

It isn't realistic to place blame on people who get sick while at home.

[boutons_deux]

Trash/Miller concentrations will be massacred with C19

'HELP WE MATTER 2': First inmate dies of COVID-19 at D.C. facility while Chicago jail cases spiral (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/13/1936831/--HELP-WE-MATTER-2-First-inmate-dies-of-COVID-19-at-D-C-facility-while-Chicago-jail-cases-spiral)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/13/1936831/--HELP-WE-MATTER-2-First-inmate-dies-of-COVID-19-at-D-C-facility-while-Chicago-jail-cases-spiral?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/13/1936831/--HELP-WE-MATTER-2-First-inmate-dies-of-COVID-19-at-D-C-facility-while-Chicago-jail-cases-spiral?detail=emaildkre)

btw, a sailor on Roosevelt died from C19, 100s more infected, Trash fired the ship's captain for asking for help.

[Nathan89]

Okay. They should move out on the spot.

More out of touch comments from Nate.

No. We are not trying this strategy currently so most haven't given it any thought. One major step would be self segregating with friends and family over a certain age. There are many other tactics that can be taken. Admittedly the strategy is difficult but it actually works long-term and what we are currently doing doesn't work.

[pgardn]

I didn't suggest anything. I pointed out the irrelevance of pointing out "I'm sure these old workers are itching to get back to work" in response to "let young people get back to work".

In such a scenario the elderly are not supposed to come in contact with their children and grandchildren that are not isolated.

GB did herd immunity from what I've seen but I could be wrong. This isn't herd immunity. Well it is but it's controlled herd immunity.

No its not controlled.
Thats the point.
You think that its controlled because you are letting young people go to work (but without any idea if they carry the virus.)

I want to people back to work as badly as any Trump supporter like you.
But these ideas you are throwing out already have a high probability of NOT working. And we know why.
In a perfect world at present everyone would be tested and tracked (a problem in itself; some sort of anonymity)
We would know who needs to stay home and quarantined.
Then we await a vaccine (that is effective)

[TimDunkem]

No. We are not trying this strategy currently so most haven't given it any thought. One major step would be self segregating with friends and family over a certain age. There are many other tactics that can be taken. Admittedly the strategy is difficult but it actually works long-term and what we are currently doing doesn't work.

But you just said those who got sick at home weren't doing everything right. You want to place blame without a realistic strategy in place, or a system that actually makes the strategy work.

[midnightpulp]

Saying "let young people get back to work" isn't the same as letting everyone that is part of the workforce get back to work. Of course they won't be "itching to get back to work" because they are more at risk and that's why they proposed letting "young people" get back to work

Here's the thing, letting young people get back to work won't save the economy or even boost it in any meaningful way. A huge portion of the workforce is over 40, and people over 40 in the US aren't in the best of shape. So I'm unsure of what "letting the young and healthy" getting back to work is supposed to achieve? Most of them are probably already working, either in essential grocery, fast food, healthcare jobs, or can work from home, since younger people tend to have jobs in tech. Young people also feature heavily in food service jobs, but even if "we opened up," that sector isn't going to do anywhere near pre-Covid business since no one will be comfortable crowding restaurants, bars and cafes for awhile.

The path to a wholesale getting back to work is test, test, test and knowing the particulars of this virus down to its last atom. If we find out it has a mortality and hospitalization rate around flu levels and if it's confirmed immunity is guaranteed after getting it, then we can confidently apply a set of strategies to reopen commerce. People with immunity can get back to work and the typical consumer activity of shopping, eating at restaurants, going to bars, theaters, etc. If we find out the virus is no more dangerous than the flu, then people will be comfortable in those crowded social settings. But we don't know much right now.

[Nathan89]

As previously mentioned, without mass testing and social tracing, it isn't safe to send even "just the young folks" back to work.

Do you think adequate testing and social tracing will be in place in two weeks?

If so, what makes you think so?

I agree we should increase our testing ability first. I doubt we'll have the capabilities in two weeks because testing capacity has stalled. More information from antibody studies is probably the best you'll get in two weeks.

[TimDunkem]

I agree we should increase our testing ability first. I doubt we'll have the capabilities in two weeks because testing capacity has stalled. More information from antibody studies is probably the best you'll get in two weeks.

We don't have enough of the anti-body tests either.

[Thread]

I agree we should increase our testing ability first. I doubt we'll have the capabilities in two weeks because testing capacity has stalled. More information from antibody studies is probably the best you'll get in two weeks.

For what, Nathan? As soon as you test someone negative "he'd" have to live in an isolated room until the remainder of the 350 Americans tested negative. We'd need in excess of 350 million such rooms.

You ain't gonna have no more take-out, no more drive-thru, no more bending over the old lady once a day. No more.

[TimDunkem]

For what, Nathan? As soon as you test someone negative "he'd" have to live in an isolated room until the remainder of the 350 Americans tested negative. We'd need in excess of 350 million such rooms.

You ain't gonna have no more take-out, no more drive-thru, no more bending over the old lady once a day. No more.

Finally some logic from you. I'm so proud, Cubs.

Cubs

[Thread]

We don't have enough of the anti-body tests either.

"We don't have enough of..."

Blah, blah, blah, you fuckin' cry baby, you. Whiner!!!

addendum:::I didn't mean it. I thought you were clammy.

[Thread]

Finally some logic from you. I'm so proud, Cubs.

Cubs

Uh, oh, I just slammed you and I come and see you citing me.

SOB!!!

[TimDunkem]

Uh, oh, I just slammed you and I come and see you citing me.

SOB!!!

Thanks a lot. That hurt, but I'm still on the high from a sensible post from ya', so I'll let it go this time.

[baseline bum]

So your going with let the young people get infected.
Before testing.

That way when the young people who get their groceries, visit their parents, go back to their children who are not in school...
So just get as many young people infected as possible.

GB wanted to try this.
It failed early enough so they pulled back.

Yeah and they're even worse off than we are right now. It's unfortunate Boris Johnson seems to have recovered after killing so many of his countrymen.

[Nathan89]

But you just said those who got sick at home weren't doing everything right. You want to place blame without a realistic strategy in place, or a system that actually makes the strategy work.

I'm not placing blame. They just aren't "doing everything right". Saying they are "doing everything right" and are still getting infected therefore this strategy can't be implemented is incorrect. We've simply have not chosen to implement this strategy and therefore the tactics that would be necessary have not been taken.

[Thread]

Thanks a lot. That hurt, but I'm still on the high from a sensible post from ya', so I'll let it go this time.

Danka!

[TimDunkem]

I'm not placing blame. They just aren't "doing everything right". Saying they are "doing everything right" and are still getting infected therefore this strategy can't be implemented is incorrect. We've simply have not chosen to implement this strategy and therefore the tactics that would be necessary have not been taken.

It's like a great fire is breaking out due to no fault of any homeowners, but since the fire department is out of equipment and can't put the fires out you're then turning around and telling the victims that it's their fault.

It isn't about them not doing it right. It's about them being consumed by a force outside their control. You lose that control when people start going out without the systems in place.

No one is to blame, and we can't implement the strategy yet because we can't.

[Nathan89]

No its not controlled.
Thats the point.
You think that its controlled because you are letting young people go to work (but without any idea if they carry the virus.)

I want to people back to work as badly as any Trump supporter like you.
But these ideas you are throwing out already have a high probability of NOT working. And we know why.
In a perfect world at present everyone would be tested and tracked (a problem in itself; some sort of anonymity)
We would know who needs to stay home and quarantined.
Then we await a vaccine (that is effective)

Separating the young from the old is the "control". No country has the same capabilities as the US to execute this strategy.

[TimDunkem]

It isn't just the old. It's the overweight, the immunocompromised, the pregnant, those with underlying conditions, and some who are just unlucky. You can't separate all these people. You can't mitigate all the risk if some are deemed essential.

And you can't even begin to without the tests and tracing.

[Nathan89]

It's like a great fire is breaking out due to no fault of any homeowners, but since the fire department is out of equipment and can't put the fires out you're then turning around and telling the victims that it's their fault.

It isn't about them not doing it right. It's about them being consumed by a force outside their control. You lose that control when people start going out without the systems in place.

No one is to blame, and we can't implement the strategy yet because we can't.

I've just explained that I wasn't blaming them but you've responded to the comment by telling me that I am.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not placing blame. They just aren't "doing everything right". Saying they are "doing everything right" and are still getting infected therefore this strategy can't be implemented is incorrect. We've simply have not chosen to implement this strategy and therefore the tactics that would be necessary have not been taken.
What is Trump's strategy?

[TimDunkem]

I've just explained that I wasn't blaming them but you've responded to the comment by telling me that I am.

You said they were sick because they weren't doing something, or did something wrong even though this is out of their control. What would you call it?

[ElNono]

No. We are not trying this strategy currently so most haven't given it any thought. One major step would be self segregating with friends and family over a certain age. There are many other tactics that can be taken. Admittedly the strategy is difficult but it actually works long-term and what we are currently doing doesn't work.

We did try it in 1918, back then we learned that this we're doing is what works, because that's where we ended up after countless deaths with the strategy you suggest. There's no cheating this thing.

I don't know where the notion that social distancing isn't working comes from? We're not trying to have zero deaths, we're trying to contain contagion not to overwhelm a limited healthcare system.

[ChumpDumper]

Man, we're gonna have to revise some conspiracy theories.

The Washington Post reports that the CIA has privately instructed its employees against taking medical advice from the guy who hosted the Apprentice. “At this point, the drug is not recommended to be used by patients except by medical professionals prescribing it as part of ongoing investigational studies,” the agency said on a website for employees. “There are potentially significant side effects, including sudden cardiac death, associated with hydroxychloroquine and its individual use in patients needs to be carefully selected and monitored by a health care professional.” To drive home the point, the agency added in bold: “Please do not obtain this medication on your own.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/cia-please-ignore-trumps-medical-advice-on-coronavirus

[picnroll]

No. We are not trying this strategy currently so most haven't given it any thought. One major step would be self segregating with friends and family over a certain age. There are many other tactics that can be taken. Admittedly the strategy is difficult but it actually works long-term and what we are currently doing doesn't work.

Over 20% of those who have died so far in Bexar county are under 60.

[ElNono]

Over 20% of those who have died so far in Bexar county are under 60.

It's not just death, it overlooks that young people might still require hospitalization, even if they survive just fine. As I was explaining earlier, even if it's just 1% that need it, it doesn't scale to our hospital capacity.

[picnroll]

What is Trump's strategy?

Find someone to blame.

[picnroll]

Man, we're gonna have to revise some conspiracy theories.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/cia-please-ignore-trumps-medical-advice-on-coronavirus
I’m pretty sure that taking a drug that causes arrhythmias for a disease that’s been found to cause arrhythmias in a high percentage of patients is a great idea. Wish I’d thought of that.

[Nathan89]

What is Trump's strategy?

The current strategy that you are seeing in the US.

[TSA]

And Sweden just tied their highest daily death toll.

Too early to compare Sweden's response until Norway and Denmark come out of lock down and we see if they spike again or not. Decent read at the link.

https://unherd.com/2020/04/jury-still-out-on-swedish-coronavirus-strategy/

[SnakeBoy]

Too early to compare Sweden's response until Norway and Denmark come out of lock down and we see if they spike again or not. Decent read at the link.

https://unherd.com/2020/04/jury-still-out-on-swedish-coronavirus-strategy/

It is still entirely possible that this virus is just following its natural course and all of our flailing about is doing very little to change that.

[apalisoc_9]

Trump really throwing a hissy fit because some governors value the lives of the american people while he values his "muh economy"

[ChumpDumper]

The current strategy that you are seeing in the US.Which is what?

Show me the strategy Trump came up with and implemented.

[baseline bum]

Which is what?

Show me the strategy Trump came up with and implemented.

It's a Democratic hoax isn't a strategy tbh

[picnroll]

Which is what?

Show me the strategy Trump came up with and implemented.

Useless 2 hour campaign pressers where he lies and dodges responsibility.

[RandomGuy]

Separating the young from the old is the "control". No country has the same capabilities as the US to execute this strategy.

You're right. Most of them have better capabilities, especially the ones with universal health insurance, and non-free-market greed restricted excess hospital capacity, like, say, Germany.

Socialism is the answer here. Big bad logical pooling of risk. This whole episode is laying bare all the gaping sores of the US free market failures when it comes to health care and health insurance.

Suck it.

[RandomGuy]

It is still entirely possible that this virus is just following its natural course and all of our flailing about is doing very little to change that.

Data does not support that. Every place that has locked down has seen a very predictable flattening of the curve, with places that haven't seen the trend upwards.

Not even really a debate.

:lol conservatives trying to have their own truth. Reality gonna dick-slap the lot of you. Again.

[TimDunkem]

Data does not support that. Every place that has locked down has seen a very predictable flattening of the curve, with places that haven't seen the trend upwards.

Not even really a debate.

:lol conservatives trying to have their own truth. Reality gonna dick-slap the lot of you. Again.

I can't believe there are some still arguing this. Of course, for Spurstalk, it's the usual suspects