Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[hater]

https://twitter.com/SimonEaves2/status/1452604241026093060?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

Pandemic is over here. But maybe not for long.....


https://twitter.com/TrulyMonica/status/1451435034431275008?s=19

Pick a lane.

[DarrinS]

Pandemic is over here. But maybe not for long.....


https://twitter.com/TrulyMonica/status/1451435034431275008?s=19


Israel?


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

[pgardn]

The US funded research has been lied about by multiple parties. No one is claiming Covid is from a lab leak yet they are just calling for more transparency. Did you even read the article?

This has been the case all along.
I have written about this MULTIPLE times.
So what are you brining here? Like this is something new?

China has been a problem in this.
Both Trump and Biden have stated this multiple times.

[pgardn]

Israel?


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

There are now over 20 variants of the basic Delta variety.
They are not naming any of them because they are not thought to be different enough in causing problems compared to the original.
This is called evolution. And evolution is not told to produce a more deadly variant.

[Cuck Ross]

No, I'm not. Let me remind you what you posted, because it looks like you have shaky memory...



The letter goes to great lengths to explain why the EcoHealth Alliance research couldn't have been the progenitor to COVID (which purportedly was the question asked to them by a member of Congress), AND doesn't mention even once gain-of-function.

That apparently didn't stop Richard H. Ebright, whoever that is, to claim the exact opposite in his clickbait tweet, and apparently you fell for it. It's ok, it happens.

This obviously comes after Dr Fauci made Trump look stupid and repeatedly schooled Rand Paul in Congress, and the fake news have been non-stop since.

I'm not a friend of Fauci, I don't owe him anything, but it's been clear for a long ass time Republicans hate his guts.

To sum up, there's zero evidence so far that Fauci lied about the NIH research in Wuhan, and there has never been any admission from the NIH that he lied about the NIH research in Wuhan either.

There's a bunch of internal papers from the NIH that also don't plainly state nor prove Fauci lied about the NIH research in Wuhan. But if you ask Ricky the biologist, or Rita the biochemist their opinions about those papers, they think it means Fauci lied. Good for them, it proves zero.

Neither I nor anyone I quoted claimed the EcoHealth research was the progenitor to Covid.

Your constant shielding of Fauci is odd. If he didn't lie about the NIH research in Wuhan then that means he wasn't aware of what EcoHealth was doing in Wuhan. Huge problem either way. NIH funded gain of function research through EcoHealth, that isn't up for debate. What's up for debate is whether or not they knew that is what they were funding. EcoHealth broke protocol per NIH.

Every single person I've quoted is simply asking for transparency. Surprised you wouldn't be calling for the same.

How can the NIH claim with certainty the EcoHealth research couldn't have been the progenitor to COVID when WIV deleted their viral database in September 2019? In 2018 proposal Peter Daszak from EcoHealth claimed he had 180 unique SARSr-CoVs. The same Peter Daszak who hid his competing interests while being the leading the Lancet COVID commission and authoring the article in the Lancet on the origins of Covid that shot down the lab leak theory.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01377-5/fulltext

The same Peter Daszak who's Lancet COVID commission investigating the origins that was shut down because of his hidden bias.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2414

We need transparency.

[Cuck Ross]

This has been the case all along.
I have written about this MULTIPLE times.
So what are you brining here? Like this is something new?

China has been a problem in this.
Both Trump and Biden have stated this multiple times.

You haven't written about what I posted a single time. Yes, what I posted is something new.

[pgardn]

You haven't written about what I posted a single time. Yes, what I posted is something new.

Describe in what way it is new.

We have been trying to get China to cooperate way back to Trump.
Chinese scientists call ours and pleaded for us to understand this might be very bad very early on.
Their government shirked the responsibility. We have always had back and forth with the particular lab that worked with the virus and many others. WE helped them set up a lot of these labs. And funded them because they were doing interesting work that could aid us.

[boutons_deux]

Vaccine study links virus to rare neurological illness

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59011511

[koriwhat]

Its not a story its a fact. Private entities can make the rules. I bet you showed Whataburger by not wearing shoes, yeah?
Do you tell your customers that you have not been vaccinated for the flu or Covid?
And tell them you dont use new needles because you dont believe in the sniffles or any other microbe you cant see.
OSHA would love your place... bro... Now that would be... a cool story.

I mean I get it; you're all for authoritarianism and communism seeing how the state now directly works with private entities.

As for Whataburger, I show them by not eating their garbage for years and years now. I never darken their door.

I tell my customers everything... Funny how yall think I don't mention this or that while never stepping foot in my establishment nor meeting me face to face.

OSHA can suck my dick!

[koriwhat]

:lol fake Qhtistian pretending to care about animals.

Either way what's your thought on what Fauci and the NIH were up to instead of your fake internet scoreboard?

[koriwhat]

:lmao more wishcasting from beep boop

"Everyone's a Nazi except our Nazi!"

[RandomGuy]

Neither I nor anyone I quoted claimed the EcoHealth research was the progenitor to Covid.

Non-scientifically literate dipshits on the right and in right wing propaganda mills don't have similar hesitations or understandings.

[RandomGuy]

Neither I nor anyone I quoted claimed the EcoHealth research was the progenitor to Covid.

Your constant shielding of Fauci is odd. If he didn't lie about the NIH research in Wuhan then that means he wasn't aware of what EcoHealth was doing in Wuhan. Huge problem either way. NIH funded gain of function research through EcoHealth, that isn't up for debate. What's up for debate is whether or not they knew that is what they were funding. EcoHealth broke protocol per NIH.

Every single person I've quoted is simply asking for transparency. Surprised you wouldn't be calling for the same.

How can the NIH claim with certainty the EcoHealth research couldn't have been the progenitor to COVID when WIV deleted their viral database in September 2019? In 2018 proposal Peter Daszak from EcoHealth claimed he had 180 unique SARSr-CoVs. The same Peter Daszak who hid his competing interests while being the leading the Lancet COVID commission and authoring the article in the Lancet on the origins of Covid that shot down the lab leak theory.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01377-5/fulltext

The same Peter Daszak who's Lancet COVID commission investigating the origins that was shut down because of his hidden bias.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2414

We need transparency.

Meh. Tempest in a teacup.

Ecohealth ignored the protocols and did shit. Turns out they were supposed to report that shit.

NIH had protocols in place and actively prohibited it, and required reporting. Protocols are very transparent.

Somewhat problematic in that there was a failure on a few levels, but not earthshaking.

This is being used as a tool on the right to go after Fauci. The crusade against Fauci must be put in place because he dared to contradict messiah Trump.

That is the only value this has. As propaganda by the right, and is the only reason any right-wing media company spends a single second on it.

Must.
Destroy.
Fauci.

Censure Ecohealth, improve the controls, and move on.

[pgardn]

I mean I get it; you're all for authoritarianism and communism seeing how the state now directly works with private entities.

As for Whataburger, I show them by not eating their garbage for years and years now. I never darken their door.

I tell my customers everything... Funny how yall think I don't mention this or that while never stepping foot in my establishment nor meeting me face to face.

OSHA can suck my dick!

Funny how you dont read.
Where did I say you did not.
I said I bet you did.

So you go shirtless and barefoot into dining establishments to show them they cant commie you! And so now, tell us you never go into establishments that post rules about no shirt, no shoes, no service. Go ahead. You take only Whataburger and run with it... flake out again.

So you dont follow any guidelines of safety after pricking people under the skin. And if you actually do, you are a commie.
gtfoh.
You follow rules just like everyone else. You just pussy out on masks and shots. Muh rites of passage...

Fck OSHA. You probably learned their rules for staying sterile and dont even know it.

[pgardn]

I mean I get it; you're all for authoritarianism and communism seeing how the state now directly works with private entities.

As for Whataburger, I show them by not eating their garbage for years and years now. I never darken their door.

I tell my customers everything... Funny how yall think I don't mention this or that while never stepping foot in my establishment nor meeting me face to face.

OSHA can suck my dick!

Do you disobey the closest red light to your place of business just to show the government to stay out of your private affairs? Traffic commies...

[DMC]

There are now over 20 variants of the basic Delta variety.
They are not naming any of them because they are not thought to be different enough in causing problems compared to the original.
This is called evolution. And evolution is not told to produce a more deadly variant.

How do you know what God told it to do?

[DMC]

"Everyone's a Nazi except our Nazi!"

When they have a Nazi, Nazi's are no longer bad. Then they debate the meaning of the true Nazi vs the 3rd Reich.

[ElNono]

Neither I nor anyone I quoted claimed the EcoHealth research was the progenitor to Covid.

I quoted your post that included a letter explaining that. If you don't want to own that part of the conversation you started with the tweet you posted then just say so.



Your constant shielding of Fauci is odd. If he didn't lie about the NIH research in Wuhan then that means he wasn't aware of what EcoHealth was doing in Wuhan. Huge problem either way. NIH funded gain of function research through EcoHealth, that isn't up for debate. What's up for debate is whether or not they knew that is what they were funding. EcoHealth broke protocol per NIH.

There's nothing odd and isn't restricted to Fauci. Here you go again speculating and trying to connect imaginary dots. We don't have to suppose anything. You either have evidence to prove what you're saying, or keep making shit up as you go.

Those documents didn't prove anything with regards to Fauci lying about the NIH research in Wuhan. Why make it up then?

If you don't like Fauci, just say so. It's not a big deal. He's probably got some things right and some things wrong, but when you have to build smear stories based solely on speculation, then don't get upset they're not taken seriously.


Every single person I've quoted is simply asking for transparency. Surprised you wouldn't be calling for the same.

How can the NIH claim with certainty the EcoHealth research couldn't have been the progenitor to COVID when WIV deleted their viral database in September 2019? In 2018 proposal Peter Daszak from EcoHealth claimed he had 180 unique SARSr-CoVs. The same Peter Daszak who hid his competing interests while being the leading the Lancet COVID commission and authoring the article in the Lancet on the origins of Covid that shot down the lab leak theory.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01377-5/fulltext

The same Peter Daszak who's Lancet COVID commission investigating the origins that was shut down because of his hidden bias.

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2414

We need transparency.

Moar conspiracies. You don't want transparency at all. Transparency was those papers that do not contain the evidence that you want, so some stories are built to pretend that they do.

What you want is to advance the theory that the virus was engineered in China (and extra bonus if it was released on purpose), whether that is true or not true. Smearing Fauci and the NIH is just a means to that end.

It also aligns well with discrediting science, because that's another conservative bone to pick.

All that is very transparent. It's just completely unnecessary. If you have the evidence to back up the claim, do so. Otherwise, stop making shit up.

[ElNono]

Either way what's your thought on what Fauci and the NIH were up to instead of your fake internet scoreboard?

What were they "up to"? Not sure what you're referring to. What's the current smear on Fauci going on in Fox News, tbh? I don't watch MSM.

[ElNono]

"Everyone's a Nazi except our Nazi!"

What's Nazi about Fauci? Feel free to elaborate...

[pgardn]

How do you know what God told it to do?

I dont.
What have you got on it?
I know how evolution is supposed to work. The variations in genetic material that natural selection works on appear to be largely random.
I guess you disagree.
So explain your ideas.
Go. This should be interesting.

[pgardn]

What were they "up to"? Not sure what you're referring to. What's the current smear on Fauci going on in Fox News, tbh? I don't watch MSM.

He and hater have no idea of the chronological order of this whole epidemic and the events and thoughts of people who understand diseases.
So something Fauci said in Feb was wrong in June and they fail to get that science works by going on current knowledge. The red team right has constantly harped on this while totally forgetting Trump's outrageous thoughts that had nothing to do with any evidence at that moment in time.

Its total hypocrisy and a total lack of understanding the order of events in this mess.

[ElNono]

He and hater have no idea of the chronological order of this whole epidemic and the events and thoughts of people who understand diseases.
So something Fauci said in Feb was wrong in June and they fail to get that science works by going on current knowledge. The red team right has constantly harped on this while totally forgetting Trump's outrageous thoughts that had nothing to do with any evidence at that moment in time.

Its total hypocrisy and a total lack of understanding the order of events in this mess.

I can see dinging Fauci for his comments on masks early on (and even then, you have to sorta force it, because it's pretty understandable based on the context), but I wouldn't be surprised if he's being accused of drinking children's blood at this point, tbh. :lol

[pgardn]

I can see dinging Fauci for his comments on masks early on (and even then, you have to sorta force it, because it's pretty understandable based on the context), but I wouldn't be surprised if he's being accused of drinking children's blood at this point, tbh. :lol

Eating or sucking children's bodily fluids seems to be a good go to.

People completely forget how worried we were about surface contamination and touching things.
Well big news occurred that the air is the major source of transmission.
But just forget about that. Many other virus require direct contact and or much larger amount of body fluid. So it was absolutely not strange that we would start here before a whole lot more evidence was gathered.

[hater]

:tu ma governator

https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1452714578958241806?s=19

[hater]

USA! UsA! USA!

https://twitter.com/JillRTeamXRP/status/1452801032606699522?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1452686120924364800?s=19


:lmao Falsuchin

[hater]

:lmao Falsuchin

https://twitter.com/Denise_OldLady2/status/1452843102293659649?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/CountrygirlMom2/status/1452841955029766146?s=19

[ElNono]

:tu ma governator

https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/1452714578958241806?s=19


USA! UsA! USA!

https://twitter.com/JillRTeamXRP/status/1452801032606699522?s=19


https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1452686120924364800?s=19

:lmao Falsuchin

:lol DeathSantis good now?

[daboom1]

:lmao Falsuchin

https://twitter.com/Denise_OldLady2/status/1452843102293659649?s=19

Death Cult

[Cuck Ross]

I quoted your post that included a letter explaining that. If you don't want to own that part of the conversation you started with the tweet you posted then just say so.




There's nothing odd and isn't restricted to Fauci. Here you go again speculating and trying to connect imaginary dots. We don't have to suppose anything. You either have evidence to prove what you're saying, or keep making shit up as you go.

Those documents didn't prove anything with regards to Fauci lying about the NIH research in Wuhan. Why make it up then?

If you don't like Fauci, just say so. It's not a big deal. He's probably got some things right and some things wrong, but when you have to build smear stories based solely on speculation, then don't get upset they're not taken seriously.



Moar conspiracies. You don't want transparency at all. Transparency was those papers that do not contain the evidence that you want, so some stories are built to pretend that they do.

What you want is to advance the theory that the virus was engineered in China (and extra bonus if it was released on purpose), whether that is true or not true. Smearing Fauci and the NIH is just a means to that end.

It also aligns well with discrediting science, because that's another conservative bone to pick.

All that is very transparent. It's just completely unnecessary. If you have the evidence to back up the claim, do so. Otherwise, stop making shit up.

Again, I, nor anyone I quoted, claimed the EcoHealth research led to Covid. You continue barking up the wrong tree even after being corrected.

Did EcoHealth Alliance perform gain of function research at WIV?

[Cuck Ross]

1452706267408085000

1452792100924411910

Collins unsuccessfully deploys the ElNono straw man special.

[DMC]

Not knowing is their plausible deniability. They don't want to know.

[Cuck Ross]

Not knowing is their plausible deniability. They don't want to know.

EcoHealth is saying NIH knew.

EcoHealth Alliance is working with the NIH to promptly address what we believe to be a misconception about the grant’s reporting requirements and what the data from our research showed. These data were reported as soon as we were made aware, in our year 4 report in April 2018. NIH reviewed those data and did not indicate that secondary review of our research was required, in fact year 5 funding was allowed to progress without delay. We are also working to answer any questions NIH has about the research on this R01 grant, which is not currently ongoing.

https://www.science.org/content/article/nih-says-grantee-failed-report-experiment-wuhan-created-bat-virus-made-mice-sicker

[ChumpDumper]

:lol TSA's conspiracy nontheories.

Soon he's going to go so far down this rabbit hole he'll end up commiting to the same theory he always does which is basically baby eating Democrats.

Happens every time.

[pgardn]

The leap in logic is amazing here.
We fund a whole bunch of labs in other countries if we think the research is valid.
But because this lab was already researching a virus in bats that was similar to the virus that caused the Covid outbreak, the US was funding the lab that was a part of the pandemic. Thats clearly what the implication is here and it makes great press. And, its BS. THE actual salient point here is our relations with China are so bad that they fail to let us sniff a lab we ultimately coordinated with their scientists who are actually interested in viruses. Their scientists had to reach out to us when they realized they had a problem in Wuhan. Risky research. It was not. This assumes that everyone knew BEFORE the pandemic that China was working with a virus who has a relative that caused the pandemic. We still need to understand if the real virus, not its relative, EVEN originated in Wuhan so we need info but their GOVERNMENT will NOT cooperate. Relatives of this virus had been found in a number of animals and places. But it has to be Wuhan. BS. we dont know that at all. We dont even know if Wuhan is the spot of origination. These things change god awful quickly. The delta virus now has OVER 20 variants that are interesting from an evolutionary point of view but none of the variants appear to be any different in the disease aspect in humans. Where exactly did each variant arise, we dont know, but we will try to.

This is extraordinary easy to BS if you leave out the timing of things. But it is entertainment press so there you go. Same with the Fauci attacks. Its comical yet scary that an uneducated mob needs a victim. Fauci should have known... Hell, they dont even say that. Just blame WWII on him while you are at it.

So derp or whomever give us a link to a company who focuses on the relationship between media and politics (no science editor here) .
Beautiful stuff.

[hater]

Faucitards: "that research did not cause Covid"

Everyone else: "Falsuchi lied to congress. Thats a felony"

Faucitards: "but that research didnt cause Covid"


:lmao


Falsuchitards.:lmao

[pgardn]

Not knowing is their plausible deniability. They don't want to know.

They dont want to know WHAT?

What everyone wants to know is where the virus arose so now you take part in the chase that ultimately has to do with the funding of labs.
Labs YOU think created the pandemic virus I guess. Because the likelyhood of that is very low so you are really after how a bureaucracy cant keep track of things, not where a pandemic originated. Good work Gomer. Join the liberal groups that look into bureaucracy and waste in the military and how they lose dangerous equipment, you will save more lives that way.

[pgardn]

Faucitards: "that research did not cause Covid"

Everyone else: "Falsuchi lied to congress. Thats a felony"

Faucitards: "but that research didnt cause Covid"


:lmao


Falsuchitards.:lmao

Hater plays the Trump, everyone says card.

Absolutely wrong.
"Hang him, hes a witch." *slaps carrot on nose*

[hater]

Absolutely wrong.
"Hang him, hes a witch." *slaps carrot on nose*

Fauci lied to congress yes or no?

[pgardn]

Fauci lied to congress yes or no?

NO.

Not based on what he knew at the time.
Lying is a conscious attempt to deceive.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1452712186502070279?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1452710099575877632?s=19

[hater]

NO.

Not based on what he knew at the time.
Lying is a conscious attempt to deceive.

So you are saying Fauci was too stupid to know what he was funding. Ok Ill take that.

Because of that stupidity. He should resign today.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/SkigurlV/status/1452820606378905601?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1452609917790130181?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1452665482490925056?s=19

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1452712186502070279?s=19

"Fake news you can Trust."
Their own description.

You dont even know what you are reading fkning fathead.
But it is funny. If thats what your dumb ass really wanted from it.
Going total derp as he rapid fires complete shit from his internets...

[hater]

https://twitter.com/b_gawk/status/1453025260966666245?s=19

[pgardn]

So you are saying Fauci was too stupid to know what he was funding. Ok Ill take that.

Because of that stupidity. He should resign today.

HE funded. What did HE decide to fund?

[hater]

HE funded. What did HE decide to fund?

The research that was conducted. As you say he must be too stupid to know or understand what the research was about.

He should resign today for being an imbecile. :tu

[pgardn]

"Fake news you can Trust."
Their own description.

You dont even know what you are reading fkning fathead.
But it is funny. If thats what your dumb ass really wanted from it.
Going total derp as he rapid fires complete shit from his internets...

[pgardn]

The research that was conducted. As you say he must be too stupid to know or understand what the research was about.

He should resign today for being an imbecile. :tu

What research was conducted?

[DarrinS]

We still need to understand if the real virus, not its relative, EVEN originated in Wuhan




Lol

[hater]

What research was conducted?

From that science article.
Ecohealth reported the progress of the research including the GOF:

"These (research) data were reported as soon as we were made aware, in our year 4 report in April 2018. NIH reviewed those data and did not indicate that secondary review of our research was required, in fact year 5 funding was allowed to progress without delay. We are also working to answer any questions NIH has about the research on this R01 grant, which is not currently ongoing.”


Fauci knew (or was too stupid to care/understand).

[pgardn]

Lol

So you know where it originated.
Please tell us because we dont know which is why we want access to Wuhan and the labs that were working on possibly close relatives in bats and other animals.

[pgardn]

From that science article.
Ecohealth reported the progress of the research including the GOF:

"These (research) data were reported as soon as we were made aware, in our year 4 report in April 2018. NIH reviewed those data and did not indicate that secondary review of our research was required, in fact year 5 funding was allowed to progress without delay. We are also working to answer any questions NIH has about the research on this R01 grant, which is not currently ongoing.”


Fauci knew (or was too stupid to care/understand).

Fauci was NOT head of the NIH.
Bozo.

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1452712186502070279?s=19


Hater....
Read your source again.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Fauci really does never lose.

I don't know what hater's latest conspiracy theory is (he doesn't either) but nothing is going to happen to Fauci.

[pgardn]

HATER:

"Fearless in his efforts to be consistently wrong."

[Cuck Ross]

Fauci was NOT head of the NIH.
Bozo.

Collins, who is conveniently stepping down lol, was head of the NIH.

At issue with Fauci is his statement to congress on NIH funding.

In a testy exchange with Senator Rand Paul (https://www.newsweek.com/topic/rand-paul) last July, Dr. Fauci asserted flatly, (https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-lab-virus-dr-fauci-rand-paul-debate-fact-checked-explained-1591414) "The NIH [National Institute of Health] has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology."
That wasn't true. The NIH has conceded that EcoHealth and the Wuhan Institute of Virology did in fact conduct controversial gain-of-function experiments. Fauci, perhaps unknowingly, misled Congress (https://www.newsweek.com/topic/congress) in denying that.

https://www.newsweek.com/firing-dr-fauci-now-may-help-joe-biden-manage-next-covid-wave-his-poll-numbers-1641690

[Winehole23]

Transmission of airborne pathogens can be mitigated by ventilation. Design and engineering solutions to improve indoor air quality are available.

Urbanization led to regulation of public water sources and sanitation in the 20th century, and the deterioration of outdoor air quality led to anti-pollution laws. The regulation of indoor air quality would seem to be a blind spot. ~ 8 billion people spend 90% of their time indoors. Shoring up indoor air quality would seem to be a significant hindrance to future and present respiratory pandemics.


The four basic observations are made from study of the general population. Thus, we deduce that in the general population, short-range inhalation transmission mostly occurs in poorly ventilated spaces. The transmission risk is considerably lower if the indoor space is well-ventilated. If ventilation is poor, transmission throughout the indoor space (ie, “long-range” inhalation transmission) can occur. Long-range inhalation can infect many people simultaneously, whereas short-range transmission only infects those in close contact. Physical space constraints limit the number of susceptible individuals that an infected person can be in close contact with at any time. This feature is consistent with the observation that the number of secondary infections is generally small in this pandemic and supports the idea that close-contact indoor transmission is predominant.


This reasoning supports an important conclusion: that SARS-CoV-2 transmission does not occur everywhere, but mostly indoors in poorly ventilated spaces. The effect of ventilation rate on infection risk is continuous. The choice of a threshold ventilation rate depends on our definition of acceptable risk. Ventilation alone cannot prevent all infections. Instead, it should be viewed as one layer of protection in a multi-layered or multi-route approach, used in combination with other methods such as occupancy limitations, physical distancing, and mask wearing. Appropriate threshold ventilation rates remain to be determined.

The underlying axiomatic statement in the above analysis is that COVID-19 infection is mainly due to respiratory droplets. During heavy physical activities, an infectious person would exhale more air and produce higher shear stress at the epithelial surface, consequently releasing more infectious droplets. During physical exertion, a susceptible individual also inhales more. The net effect for infection transmission risk is a double multiplier. In an office setting, by contrast, both the infectious and the susceptible breathe at lower rates. Assume in the case of an office, an appropriate ventilation rate is 10 L/s per person. Then, in a gym, the infectious would exhale more, say by 5×, and the susceptible would also inhale more, also by 5×. The exposure rate to exhalations could likely be 25× the office value, and a rational ventilation requirement might therefore also 25× the office value, that is, about 250 L/s per person. ASHRAE Standard 62.1 currently only recommends a ventilation rate of about 20 L/s per person for gyms. This modest increment above office conditions reflects an important fundamental fact: outside of healthcare settings, existing ventilation standards do not account for infection control. Gyms designed and operated following ASHRAE Standard 62.1, then their ventilation rates are significantly lower than what is required for infection control. This scaling analysis can help explain why high activity spaces such as gyms have been observed to have high attack rates. Ventilation requirement for health is a complex topic9 (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ina.12928?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_BSCScUgDZcOXcTzd nfvnjBoyIwh0R9R_e1yeSCbyQk0-1635264589-0-gqNtZGzNAjujcnBszQjl#ina12928-bib-0009) and is also affected by exposure time and viral loads when infection is considered.

The dominant view in public health toward fearful airborne transmission fails to account for the power of dilution. Sufficient dilution of airborne infectious aerosols is the key to reducing inhalation transmission, both at close range and at room scale. Sufficient ventilation and filtration reduce infection to be as low as outdoors. A paradigm shift10 (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ina.12928?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd_BSCScUgDZcOXcTzd nfvnjBoyIwh0R9R_e1yeSCbyQk0-1635264589-0-gqNtZGzNAjujcnBszQjl#ina12928-bib-0010) is needed toward a new ventilation standard accounting for managing infection risk. This goal should also apply to other respiratory viruses, such as influenza and the common cold.


https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ina.12928

[pgardn]

Collins, who is conveniently stepping down lol, was head of the NIH.

At issue with Fauci is his statement to congress on NIH funding.

In a testy exchange with Senator Rand Paul (https://www.newsweek.com/topic/rand-paul) last July, Dr. Fauci asserted flatly, (https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-lab-virus-dr-fauci-rand-paul-debate-fact-checked-explained-1591414) "The NIH [National Institute of Health] has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology."
That wasn't true. The NIH has conceded that EcoHealth and the Wuhan Institute of Virology did in fact conduct controversial gain-of-function experiments. Fauci, perhaps unknowingly, misled Congress (https://www.newsweek.com/topic/congress) in denying that.

https://www.newsweek.com/firing-dr-fauci-now-may-help-joe-biden-manage-next-covid-wave-his-poll-numbers-1641690

Someone is always going to take the fall for big bureaucracies not keeping up.
And imo, gain of function research is vitally important in learning how to create an appropriate idea of how a virus works. thus down the line helps get vaccines much quicker. There are some other techniques apparently coming up that might let us eliminate these types of experiments. But that is debatable. These experiments will go on.
ANd there is NO FKN way a researcher could have dreamed up the virus that caused THIS pandemic. There is NO WAY to tell this virus would be so incredibly effective in infecting people. We know its genetic sequence and its protein makeup intimately and you just cant tell AHEAD of the game. No one dreamt this virus up molecularly. They put in way too many natural fk ups in the right places that would mimic an unknowing mutational mechanism.

And thats ultimately what most of this is all about. Scaring people. And getting Fauci.
Otherwise it might be an incredibly boring bureaucratic failure.

[Winehole23]

Transmission of airborne pathogens can be mitigated by ventilation. Design and engineering solutions to improve indoor air quality are available.

Urbanization led to regulation of public water sources and sanitation in the 20th century, and the deterioration of outdoor air quality led to anti-pollution laws. The regulation of indoor air quality would seem to be a blind spot. ~ 8 billion people spend 90% of their time indoors. Shoring up indoor air quality would seem to be a significant hindrance to future and present respiratory pandemics.



https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/ina.12928relevant for flu and rsv too

Infectious virus in exhaled breath of symptomatic seasonal influenza cases from a college community (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/5/1081)

[hater]

Collins, who is conveniently stepping down lol, was head of the NIH.

At issue with Fauci is his statement to congress on NIH funding.

In a testy exchange with Senator Rand Paul (https://www.newsweek.com/topic/rand-paul) last July, Dr. Fauci asserted flatly, (https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-lab-virus-dr-fauci-rand-paul-debate-fact-checked-explained-1591414) "The NIH [National Institute of Health] has not ever and does not now fund gain-of-function research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology."
That wasn't true. The NIH has conceded that EcoHealth and the Wuhan Institute of Virology did in fact conduct controversial gain-of-function experiments. Fauci, perhaps unknowingly, misled Congress (https://www.newsweek.com/topic/congress) in denying that.

https://www.newsweek.com/firing-dr-fauci-now-may-help-joe-biden-manage-next-covid-wave-his-poll-numbers-1641690

Yup. Its a toss up wether hes too stupid to understand or was lying.

:lol

[Cuck Ross]

Associate VP of Peter Daszak's EcoHealth Alliance going ham :wow

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6858449986359767041/

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6857132161477222400/

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/aghuff_peter-daszak-who-sought-us-funds-for-wuhan-activity-6855892027201114112-wvxF/

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[Cuck Ross]

An appeal for an objective, open, and transparent scientific debate about the origin of SARS-CoV-2
On July 5, 2021, a Correspondence was published in The Lancet called “Science, not speculation, is essential to determine how SARS-CoV-2 reached humans”.1 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib1)
The letter recapitulates the arguments of an earlier letter (published in February, 2020) by the same authors,2 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib2)
which claimed overwhelming support for the hypothesis that the novel coronavirus causing the COVID-19 pandemic originated in wildlife. The authors associated any alternative view with conspiracy theories by stating: “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin”. The statement has imparted a silencing effect on the wider scientific debate, including among science journalists.3 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib3)
The 2021 letter did not repeat the proposition that scientists open to alternative hypotheses were conspiracy theorists, but did state: “We believe the strongest clue from new, credible, and peer-reviewed evidence in the scientific literature is that the virus evolved in nature, while suggestions of a laboratory leak source of the pandemic remain without scientifically validated evidence that directly supports it in peer-reviewed scientific journals”. In fact, this argument could literally be reversed. As will be shown below, there is no direct support for the natural origin of SARS-CoV-2, and a laboratory-related accident is plausible.
There is so far no scientifically validated evidence that directly supports a natural origin. Among the references cited in the two letters by Calisher and colleagues,1 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 2 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
all but one simply show that SARS-CoV-2 is phylogenetically related to other betacoronaviruses. The fact that the causative agent of COVID-19 descends from a natural virus is widely accepted, but this does not explain how it came to infect humans. The question of the proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2—ie, the final virus and host before passage to humans—was expressly addressed in only one highly cited opinion piece, which supports the natural origin hypothesis,4 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib4)
but suffers from a logical fallacy:5 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib5)
it opposes two hypotheses—laboratory engineering versus zoonosis—wrongly implying that there are no other possible scenarios. The article then provides arguments against the laboratory engineering hypothesis, which are not conclusive for the following reasons. First, it assumes that the optimisation of the receptor binding domain for human ACE2 requires prior knowledge of the adaptive mutations, whereas selection in cell culture or animal models would lead to the same effect. Second, the absence of traces of reverse-engineering systems does not preclude genome editing, which is performed with so-called seamless techniques.6 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 7 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
Finally, the absence of a previously known backbone is not a proof, since researchers can work for several years on viruses before publishing their full genome (this was the case for RaTG13, the closest known virus, which was collected in 2013 and published in 2020).8 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib8)
Based on these indirect and questionable arguments, the authors conclude in favour of a natural proximal origin. In the last part of the article, they briefly evoke selection during passage (ie, experiments aiming to test the capacity of a virus to infect cell cultures or model animals) and acknowledge the documented cases of laboratory escapes of SARS-CoV, but they dismiss this scenario, based on the argument that the strong similarity between receptor binding domains of SARS-CoV-2 and pangolins provides a more parsimonious explanation of the specific mutations. However, the pangolin hypothesis has since been abandoned,9 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 10 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 11 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 12 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
so the whole reasoning should be re-evaluated.
• View related content for this article (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#coronavirus-linkback-header)

Although considerable evidence supports the natural origins of other outbreaks (eg, Nipah, MERS, and the 2002–04 SARS outbreak) direct evidence for a natural origin for SARS-CoV-2 is missing. After 19 months of investigations, the proximal progenitor of SARS-CoV-2 is still lacking. Neither the host pathway from bats to humans, nor the geographical route from Yunnan (where the viruses most closely related to SARS-CoV-2 have been sampled) to Wuhan (where the pandemic emerged) have been identified. More than 80 000 samples collected from Chinese wildlife sites and animal farms all proved negative.13 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib13)
In addition, the international research community has no access to the sites, samples, or raw data. Although the Joint WHO-China Study concluded that the laboratory origin was “extremely unlikely”,13 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib13)
WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus declared that all hypotheses remained on the table including that of a laboratory leak.14 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib14)

A research-related origin is plausible. Two questions need to be addressed: virus evolution and introduction into the human population. Since July, 2020, several peer-reviewed scientific papers have discussed the likelihood of a research-related origin of the virus. Some unusual features of the SARS-CoV-2 genome sequence suggest that they may have resulted from genetic engineering,15 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 16 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
an approach widely used in some virology labs.17 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib17)
Alternatively, adaptation to humans might result from undirected laboratory selection during serial passage in cell cultures or laboratory animals,5 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 18 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 19 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
including humanised mice.20 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib20)
Mice genetically modified to display the human receptor for entry of SARS-CoV-2 (ACE2) were used in research projects funded before the pandemic, to test the infectivity of different virus strains.21 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib21)
Laboratory research also includes more targeted approaches such as gain-of-function experiments relying on chimeric viruses to test their potential to cross species barriers.17 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 22 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)

A research-related contamination could result from contact with a natural virus during field collection, transportation from the field to a laboratory,23 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib23)
characterisation of bats and bat viruses in a laboratory, or from a non-natural virus modified in a laboratory. There are well-documented cases of pathogen escapes from laboratories.24 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 25 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 26 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 27 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
Field collection, field survey, and in-laboratory research on potential pandemic pathogens require high-safety protections and a strong and transparent safety culture. However, experiments on SARS-related coronaviruses are routinely performed at biosafety level 2,22 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 28 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
which complies with the recommendations for viruses infecting non-human animals, but is inappropriate for experiments that might produce human-adapted viruses by effects of selection or oriented mutations.
Overwhelming evidence for either a zoonotic or research-related origin is lacking: the jury is still out. On the basis of the current scientific literature, complemented by our own analyses of coronavirus genomes and proteins,5 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 15 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 16 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 18 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 29 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 30 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
we hold that there is currently no compelling evidence to choose between a natural origin (ie, a virus that has evolved and been transmitted to humans solely via contact with wild or farmed animals) and a research-related origin (which might have occurred at sampling sites, during transportation or within the laboratory, and might have involved natural, selected, or engineered viruses).
An evidence-based, independent, and prejudice-free evaluation will require an international consultation of high-level experts with no conflicts of interest, from various disciplines and countries; the mandate will be to establish the different scenarios, and the associated hypotheses, and then to propose protocols, methods, and required data in order to elucidate the question of SARS-CoV-2's origin. Beyond this issue, it is important to continue debating about the risk–benefit balance of current practices of field and laboratory research, including gain-of-function experiments, as well as the human activities contributing to zoonotic events.
Scientific journals should open their columns to in-depth analyses of all hypotheses. As scientists, we need to evaluate all hypotheses on a rational basis, and to weigh their likelihood based on facts and evidence, devoid of speculation concerning possible political impacts. Contrary to the first letter published in The Lancet by Calisher and colleagues,2 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#bib2)
we do not think that scientists should promote “unity” (“We support the call from the Director-General of WHO to promote scientific evidence and unity over misinformation and conjecture”). As shown above, research-related hypotheses are not misinformation and conjecture. More importantly, science embraces alternative hypotheses, contradictory arguments, verification, refutability, and controversy. Departing from this principle risks establishing dogmas, abandoning the essence of science, and, even worse, paving the way for conspiracy theories. Instead, the scientific community should bring this debate to a place where it belongs: the columns of scientific journals.31 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)
, 32 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#)

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext?rss%3Dyes#%20

[Winehole23]

relevant for flu and rsv too

Infectious virus in exhaled breath of symptomatic seasonal influenza cases from a college community (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/5/1081)

Also, tuberculosis.

Still a top 10 killer globally.


Globally in 2016, among HIV-negative individuals, the number of incident cases of tuberculosis was 9·02 million (95% uncertainty interval [UI] 8·05–10·16) and the number of tuberculosis deaths was 1·21 million (1·16–1·27). Among HIV-positive individuals, the number of incident cases was 1·40 million (1·01–1·89) and the number of tuberculosis deaths was 0·24 million (0·16–0·31). https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(18)30625-X/fulltext

[boutons_deux]

After Republicans push anti-mask policies, Arizona's COVID death rate now as high as New York's

Arizona has reached New York in COVID-19 deaths per capita

as the state leads efforts to fight vaccine mandates

https://www.salon.com/2021/10/26/after-push-anti-mask-policies-arizonas-rate-now-as-high-as-new-yorks/

Repug politics valued more than their own voters' lives

Desantis offering UN-vaccinated, out-of-state cops $5000 to move the Florida.

[ElNono]

Again, I, nor anyone I quoted, claimed the EcoHealth research led to Covid. You continue barking up the wrong tree even after being corrected.

:lol why keep lying? I quoted the tweet you posted. You might not want to acknowledge it, but it's for everyone else to see.


Did EcoHealth Alliance perform gain of function research at WIV?

There's no evidence that this time that there was.

My turn, why do you keep falling for these conspiracies over and over again?

[ElNono]

1452706267408085000

1452792100924411910

Collins unsuccessfully deploys the ElNono straw man special.

:lol so you admit that's what you're after? Just say it, it's pretty obvious at this point, there's no point to keep lying about it.

[ElNono]

:lol TSA's conspiracy nontheories.

Soon he's going to go so far down this rabbit hole he'll end up commiting to the same theory he always does which is basically baby eating Democrats.

Happens every time.

:lol "we want transparency" only if it agrees with my conspiracy...

[ElNono]

Faucitards: "that research did not cause Covid"

Everyone else: "Falsuchi lied to congress. Thats a felony"

Faucitards: "but that research didnt cause Covid"

:lmao

Falsuchitards.:lmao

Facts so far: "that research did not cause Covid"

Trumptards: "Falsuchi lied to congress. Thats a felony"

Facts so far: "Fauci didn't lie to congress"

Trumptards: "Alternate facts!"

:lmao

Trumptards. :lmao

[Winehole23]

Facts so far: "that research did not cause Covid"

Trumptards: "Falsuchi lied to congress. Thats a felony"

Facts so far: "Fauci didn't lie to congress"

Trumptards: "Alternate facts!"

:lmao

Trumptards. :lmaoYour unwillingness to remain open to the motivated reasoning of delusional cranks reveals your bias, tbh

[spurraider21]

Facts so far: "that research did not cause Covid"

Trumptards: "Falsuchi lied to congress. Thats a felony"

Facts so far: "Fauci didn't lie to congress"

Trumptards: "Alternate facts!"

:lmao

Trumptards. :lmao
https://i.gyazo.com/021d579ec5d0609eb08ade558673db25.png

[ElNono]

Your unwillingness to remain open to the motivated reasoning of delusional cranks reveals your bias, tbh

We can all have a good laugh.

But you know Gym Jordan is going to spend 4 years investigating Fauci and stoking this before clearing him of any wrongdoing if the GOP controls Congress after the midterms.

That's a sad story right there.

[Cuck Ross]

:lol why keep lying? I quoted the tweet you posted. You might not want to acknowledge it, but it's for everyone else to see.



Are you retarded? No where in this tweet does Ebright claim the EcoHealth research caused Covid.

1450947395508858880


There's no evidence that this time that there was.:rollin

[hater]

Facts so far: "that research did not cause Covid"

Trumptards: "Falsuchi lied to congress. Thats a felony"

Facts so far: "Fauci didn't lie to congress"

Trumptards: "Alternate facts!"

:lmao

Trumptards. :lmao

Incorrect. Fauci lied to congress.

Makes your above post mostly false due to factcheck :tu

[Cuck Ross]

:lol so you admit that's what you're after? Just say it, it's pretty obvious at this point, there's no point to keep lying about it.
You, like Collins, are refuting an assertion I never made.

[hater]

Faucitards: "that research did not cause Covid"

Everyone else: "Falsuchi lied to congress. Thats a felony"

Faucitards: "but that research didnt cause Covid"


:lmao


Falsuchitards.:lmao

Called it :tu

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

What assertion is being made RE: COVID?

This thread is about COVID, not your latest conspiracy world building project.

[ElNono]

Are you retarded? No where in this tweet does Ebright claim the EcoHealth research caused Covid.

1450947395508858880

:lmao It's on the letter posted in that tweet right there. You didn't read it?

Not only that, but the letter itself doesn't "correct" any "untruthful assertions"... it's a clickbait tweet and you fell for it.


:rollin

Exactly, that ^^^ is the evidence you presented so far to support that... :lol

[ElNono]

Incorrect. Fauci lied to congress.

Makes your above post mostly false due to factcheck :tu


Facts so far: "that research did not cause Covid"

Trumptards: "Falsuchi lied to congress. Thats a felony"

Facts so far: "Fauci didn't lie to congress"

Trumptards: "Alternate facts!"

:lmao

Trumptards. :lmao

Called it :tu

:lmao Trumptards #StillWithHim

[hater]

Called it :tu

:lmao Trumptards #StillWithHim

Post analysis results: Folded

[hater]

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1450950410013794314?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1451208992546377743?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1452513967306207232?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1451375031448076289?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1451446984162881556?s=19

[Winehole23]

1450428672624705538

[Adam Lambert]

https://i.gyazo.com/021d579ec5d0609eb08ade558673db25.png

:lmao

[Ef-man]

Called it :tu

:lmao Trumptards #StillWithHim

:wow

You triggered hater into a tweet spamming frenzy! :lmao :lmao :lmao

Called it!

[ElNono]

You, like Collins, are refuting an assertion I never made.

What assertion have you made? and what did you support it with?

All you've posted so far are tweets and opinions of random people that agree with your conspiracy.

[ElNono]

:wow

You triggered hater into a tweet spamming frenzy! :lmao :lmao :lmao

Called it!

:lol my bolivian niglet just getting radicalized, tbh... sad to see...

Next up he's gonna post Cuck Callest:lol and you know the transformation is complete :lol

[Winehole23]

Medical billing returning to normal, Wall Street is going to love it


Patients hospitalized for COVID-19 this year could pay thousands in bills (https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/news/patients-hospitalized-covid-19-year-could-pay-thousands-bills)

[hater]

:lol my bolivian niglet just getting radicalized, tbh... sad to see...

Next up he's gonna post Cuck Callest:lol and you know the transformation is complete :lol

Read the intercept docs ma jig its all there :tu


The timeline of reports and events proves Falsuchin got caught redhanded :tu

Cheers :tu

[hater]

:lmao Falsuchin

#stillwithher :lol

https://twitter.com/Rothbard1776/status/1451011519098101763?s=19

[ElNono]

Read the intercept docs ma jig its all there :tu

:lol I did read them, there's nothing there... that's exactly what we were discussing here...

:lol "I wanna believe"

[ElNono]

And here comes the Shillary ding... :lmao

[hater]

:lol I did read them, there's nothing there... that's exactly what we were discussing here...

:lol "I wanna believe"

Post factcheck results: mostly false


Sorry u obviously didnt read it :tu

Try ma nig.

[Cuck Ross]

:lmao It's on the letter posted in that tweet right there. You didn't read it?

Not only that, but the letter itself doesn't "correct" any "untruthful assertions"... it's a clickbait tweet and you fell for it.

Ebright never claims the EcoHealth research caused Covid, and neither have I. You are in fact retarded and are still trying to refute assertions never made :lol

[ElNono]

Post factcheck results: mostly false

Sorry u obviously didnt read it :tu

Try ma nig.

I did read it, it was linked from a post here. You clearly did not and spent your time posting tweets instead :lmao

Go fetch me the next conspiracy my nig... :tu

[Ef-man]

I did read it, it was linked from a post here. You clearly did not and spent your time posting tweets instead :lmao

Go fetch me the next conspiracy my nig... :tu

:lmao

[ElNono]

Ebright never claims the EcoHealth research caused Covid, and neither have I. You are in fact retarded and are still trying to refute assertions never made :lol

:lol Ebright made a false claim based on a letter that directly addresses EcoHealth research causing Covid... you fell for it. You're retarded if you post stuff and don't know what it contains and are prepared to defend it.

[Winehole23]

TSA's failure to read his own posts bites him in the ass again

[Cuck Ross]

:lol I did read them, there's nothing there... that's exactly what we were discussing here...

:lol "I wanna believe"

:lol there's nothing there

Yesterday, the NIH provided that missing report (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21089573-priority-grants-for-foia-request-55058-first-look-institute-2_redacted) for the period ending May 2019, which was inexplicably dated August 2021. That summary of the group’s work includes a description of an experiment the EcoHealth Alliance conducted involving infectious clones of MERS-CoV, the virus that caused a deadly outbreak of Middle East respiratory syndrome in 2012. MERS has a case-fatality rate as high as 35 percent (https://www.who.int/health-topics/middle-east-respiratory-syndrome-coronavirus-mers#tab=tab_1), much higher than Covid-19’s. The scientists swapped out the virus’s receptor-binding domain, or RBD, a part of the spike protein that enables it to enter a host’s cells, according to the report. “We constructed the full-length infectious clone of MERS-CoV, and replaced the RBD of MERS-CoV with the RBDs of various strains of HKU4 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tylonycteris_bat_coronavirus_HKU4)-related coronaviruses previously identified in bats from different provinces in southern China,” the scientists wrote.

[Cuck Ross]

:lol Ebright made a false claim based on a letter that directly addresses EcoHealth research causing Covid... you fell for it. You're retarded if you post stuff and don't know what it contains and are prepared to defend it.

EcoHealth performed gain of function research. Fauci said that never happened. How is Ebright's claim false?

[hater]

:lol there's nothing there

Yesterday, the NIH provided that missing report (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21089573-priority-grants-for-foia-request-55058-first-look-institute-2_redacted) for the period ending May 2019, which was inexplicably dated August 2021. That summary of the group’s work includes a description of an experiment the EcoHealth Alliance conducted involving infectious clones of MERS-CoV, the virus that caused a deadly outbreak of Middle East respiratory syndrome in 2012. MERS has a case-fatality rate as high as 35 percent (https://www.who.int/health-topics/middle-east-respiratory-syndrome-coronavirus-mers#tab=tab_1), much higher than Covid-19’s. The scientists swapped out the virus’s receptor-binding domain, or RBD, a part of the spike protein that enables it to enter a host’s cells, according to the report. “We constructed the full-length infectious clone of MERS-CoV, and replaced the RBD of MERS-CoV with the RBDs of various strains of HKU4 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tylonycteris_bat_coronavirus_HKU4)-related coronaviruses previously identified in bats from different provinces in southern China,” the scientists wrote.

"I read it" :lmao

Ma Salvadorian nig has got his bitcoins from a volcano giving him delusions of reading 500+ page virological research reports :lmao :lmao

Ma poor nig in reality probably reads no more than the Mcdonals menu where he spends his daily bitcoin :lmao

[Cuck Ross]

Too many questions are still unanswered about the origins of the pandemic. Though China’s doors remain closed, there are significant and promising avenues for investigation in the United States.


The two major hypotheses for the virus origins are zoonotic spillover, from an animal to human perhaps with an intermediate host, or that it leaked or escaped from a laboratory accident in Wuhan. The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) is one of the world’s major centers of study of bat coronaviruses, and was developing genetically-modified variants able to infect human lung cells.



Zoonotic spillover is a plausible explanation based on historical experience, and scientists should pursue it vigorously. But similar efforts must be made to discover whether a laboratory release or infection led to the pandemic. Peter Daszak, the president of EcoHealth Alliance, a nonprofit based in New York, organized a five-year research program (https://reporter.nih.gov/project-details/9819304#details) funded by the U.S. National Institutes of Health to study bat coronaviruses and potential spillover risk to people, with significant participation (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21055989/understanding-risk-bat-coronavirus-emergence-grant-notice.pdf) by the WIV and its scientist, Shi Zhengli. The government of China, Ms. Shi and Mr. Daszak all insist the laboratory could not be the source of the pandemic strain. Mr. Daszak has been particularly aggressive (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext) in promoting the zoonotic spillover hypothesis and attacking the laboratory leak (https://nitter.pussthecat.org/search?f=tweets&q=%28from%3A%40peterdaszak%3A+conspiracy%29&since=&until=&near=) as a “conspiracy theory.”


Last week, it was disclosed (https://twitter.com/GOPoversight/status/1450934193177903105) that the EcoHealth Alliance in August filed a report on its research in 2018-2019 — the report was two years late. This just happens to be the two-year period of the pandemic and intense debate about the virus origins. No reason has been given. Mr. Daszak did not respond to our query. The tardy report describes experiments, approved in advance by the NIH, to test the infectivity of the genetically-manipulated viruses on mice with cells resembling those of the human respiratory system. The manipulations made the viruses more lethal to the mice. Although the NIH continues to insist this did not fit the definition of “gain of function” research, and could not have led (https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/statement-misinformation-about-sars-cov-2-origins)to the pandemic (https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus-bat-research) strain, it certainly should have met the U.S. government’s own requirements for stricter oversight.


Still, much is unknown. There is no direct evidence of zoonotic spillover, nor of a laboratory leak.


But unanswered questions (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/21/nih-ecohealth-alliance-coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_10) keep emerging about Mr. Daszak and the WIV. He was at the center of public debate over virus origins, the only American appointed to the joint World Health Organization-China mission. Why did he not disclose his 2018 proposal (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/10/11/covid-origin-wuhan-china-stonewalling-must-stop/?itid=lk_inline_manual_10) to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) for research (https://drasticresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/main-document-preempt-volume-1-no-ess-hr00118s0017-ecohealth-alliance.pdf) on bat coronaviruses with the WIV and others, which called for engineering a modification onto spike proteins of chimeric viruses that would make them infect human cells in the way the pandemic strain did? What does he know about the databases of viruses that WIV took offline (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/05/coronavirus-origins-mystery-china?itid=lk_inline_manual_10) in 2019 and never brought back? Does he know what research the WIV may have done on its own, during or after their collaboration? What was being done at WIV in the months before the pandemic?

Mr. Daszak must answer these questions before Congress. His grants were federal funds, and it is entirely appropriate for Congress to insist on accountability and transparency. He might also help the world understand what really happened in Wuhan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/10/25/one-person-who-might-know-what-really-happened-wuhan/

[Cuck Ross]

https://twitter.com/JeremyRedfernFL/status/1451565600673828869

Nothing to see here

[RandomGuy]

TSA's failure to read his own posts bites him in the ass again

:lol

"read stuff? nah. that gets in the way of pwning the libs."

[RandomGuy]

Too many questions are still unanswered about the origins of the pandemic.


"i'm just asking questions."

:lmao

[koriwhat]

Funny how you dont read.
Where did I say you did not.
I said I bet you did.

So you go shirtless and barefoot into dining establishments to show them they cant commie you! And so now, tell us you never go into establishments that post rules about no shirt, no shoes, no service. Go ahead. You take only Whataburger and run with it... flake out again.

So you dont follow any guidelines of safety after pricking people under the skin. And if you actually do, you are a commie.
gtfoh.
You follow rules just like everyone else. You just pussy out on masks and shots. Muh rites of passage...

Fck OSHA. You probably learned their rules for staying sterile and dont even know it.

Whataboutism that has nothing to do with anything at all while trying to compare no shoes & no shirt to communism.

As for OSHA, it's a crock of shit agency and no bro all we tattooers need to know is common sense and that comes at a cost of $20 for a stupid blood-borne pathogens test which I could've aced at age 3.


Do you disobey the closest red light to your place of business just to show the government to stay out of your private affairs? Traffic commies...

Whataboutism once again...


When they have a Nazi, Nazi's are no longer bad. Then they debate the meaning of the true Nazi vs the 3rd Reich.

You hit the nail on its head tbh.

[koriwhat]

"Fake news you can Trust."
Their own description.

You dont even know what you are reading fkning fathead.
But it is funny. If thats what your dumb ass really wanted from it.
Going total derp as he rapid fires complete shit from his internets...

You're the DERP considering everyone in their right mind knows the Bee is satire, sarcasm, and humor. Are you serious?

[DarrinS]

Over 80,000 animals – from 209 species – were tested, including wild, domesticated and market animals. “As the WHO investigation reported, not a single animal infected with SARS-CoV-2 was found.

[pgardn]

Over 80,000 animals – from 209 species – were tested, including wild, domesticated and market animals. “As the WHO investigation reported, not a single animal infected with SARS-CoV-2 was found.

But bats and other organisms have been found with CORONAVIRUSES that are closely related to the original virus that was found that caused problems IN HUMANS. This is how WE GO ABOUT FINDING ORIGINS. Dont expect to find the exact same RNA sequence.
Why do people continue to give half truths and utter BS? The Delta virus that now causes the majority of cases is not like the first or the second strains, they have differences, but show a large amount of relatedness. This what we would expect from mutations and evolution.

[pgardn]

You're the DERP considering everyone in their right mind knows the Bee is satire, sarcasm, and humor. Are you serious?

Yeah Im sure so when hater put it right in the middle of all his other articles once he found out it was wrong.
You and hater planned it together, jokes on me.

gtfoh... you were not even a part of the sequence of stupid.

[Ef-man]

TSA's failure to read his own posts bites him in the ass again

Same with hater but wonder where tsa is hiding? Can’t be Korea as he would be working 24/7 and there is no internet there. :lol

Could be recovering from back surgery but it probably was in Korea too.



:tu

[DarrinS]

But bats and other organisms have been found with CORONAVIRUSES that are closely related to the original virus that was found that caused problems IN HUMANS. This is how WE GO ABOUT FINDING ORIGINS. Dont expect to find the exact same RNA sequence.
Why do people continue to give half truths and utter BS? The Delta virus that now causes the majority of cases is not like the first or the second strains, they have differences, but show a large amount of relatedness. This what we would expect from mutations and evolution.


They should've tested animals from the lab.

[pgardn]

Whataboutism that has nothing to do with anything at all while trying to compare no shoes & no shirt to communism.

As for OSHA, it's a crock of shit agency and no bro all we tattooers need to know is common sense and that comes at a cost of $20 for a stupid blood-borne pathogens test which I could've aced at age 3.



Whataboutism once again...





So what does common sense tell you about the kind of organisms that infect people under the skin after a bad job? Common sense my ass, I dont trust your knowledge of needles at all based on your complete vaccine bullshit. You go on talking bout not wanting certain chemicals in your body and then go ahead and stick chemicals under the skin? Really just stop with this shit. Do you think if a certain tattoo parlor continual give people infections they should be allowed to keep doing so? OSHA has already filed with the courts to have various tattoo parlors shut down.

Common sense my ass...

And yes I will use examples of government intervening to make the society as a whole safer as a comparison to your idiocy that its communism to get involved in matters that affect ALL of us. So if you think this is whataboutism, then hell yes I am going to use it because you are a hypocrite. I dont give a fk about your whataboutism rules. Sound familiar?

[pgardn]

They should've tested animals from the lab.

They did.
One of the labs in Wuhan was studying Coronaviruses in bats BEFORE any Covid viruses that infect people were found. They found them in the wild and were comparing them. They did not keep a bat colony in the lab.

[pgardn]

Too many questions are still unanswered about the origins of the pandemic. Though China’s doors remain closed, there are significant and promising avenues for investigation in the United States.


The two major hypotheses for the virus origins are zoonotic spillover, from an animal to human perhaps with an intermediate host, or that it leaked or escaped from a laboratory accident in Wuhan. The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) is one of the world’s major centers of study of bat coronaviruses, and was developing genetically-modified variants able to infect human lung cells.



Zoonotic spillover is a plausible explanation based on historical experience, and scientists should pursue it vigorously. But similar efforts must be made to discover whether a laboratory release or infection led to the pandemic. Peter Daszak, the president of EcoHealth Alliance, a nonprofit based in New York, organized a five-year research program (https://reporter.nih.gov/project-details/9819304#details) funded by the U.S. National Institutes of Health to study bat coronaviruses and potential spillover risk to people, with significant participation (https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21055989/understanding-risk-bat-coronavirus-emergence-grant-notice.pdf) by the WIV and its scientist, Shi Zhengli. The government of China, Ms. Shi and Mr. Daszak all insist the laboratory could not be the source of the pandemic strain. Mr. Daszak has been particularly aggressive (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext) in promoting the zoonotic spillover hypothesis and attacking the laboratory leak (https://nitter.pussthecat.org/search?f=tweets&q=%28from%3A%40peterdaszak%3A+conspiracy%29&since=&until=&near=) as a “conspiracy theory.”


Last week, it was disclosed (https://twitter.com/GOPoversight/status/1450934193177903105) that the EcoHealth Alliance in August filed a report on its research in 2018-2019 — the report was two years late. This just happens to be the two-year period of the pandemic and intense debate about the virus origins. No reason has been given. Mr. Daszak did not respond to our query. The tardy report describes experiments, approved in advance by the NIH, to test the infectivity of the genetically-manipulated viruses on mice with cells resembling those of the human respiratory system. The manipulations made the viruses more lethal to the mice. Although the NIH continues to insist this did not fit the definition of “gain of function” research, and could not have led (https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/statement-misinformation-about-sars-cov-2-origins)to the pandemic (https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus-bat-research) strain, it certainly should have met the U.S. government’s own requirements for stricter oversight.


Still, much is unknown. There is no direct evidence of zoonotic spillover, nor of a laboratory leak.


But unanswered questions (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/21/nih-ecohealth-alliance-coronavirus/?itid=lk_inline_manual_10) keep emerging about Mr. Daszak and the WIV. He was at the center of public debate over virus origins, the only American appointed to the joint World Health Organization-China mission. Why did he not disclose his 2018 proposal (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/10/11/covid-origin-wuhan-china-stonewalling-must-stop/?itid=lk_inline_manual_10) to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) for research (https://drasticresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/main-document-preempt-volume-1-no-ess-hr00118s0017-ecohealth-alliance.pdf) on bat coronaviruses with the WIV and others, which called for engineering a modification onto spike proteins of chimeric viruses that would make them infect human cells in the way the pandemic strain did? What does he know about the databases of viruses that WIV took offline (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/02/05/coronavirus-origins-mystery-china?itid=lk_inline_manual_10) in 2019 and never brought back? Does he know what research the WIV may have done on its own, during or after their collaboration? What was being done at WIV in the months before the pandemic?

Mr. Daszak must answer these questions before Congress. His grants were federal funds, and it is entirely appropriate for Congress to insist on accountability and transparency. He might also help the world understand what really happened in Wuhan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/10/25/one-person-who-might-know-what-really-happened-wuhan/

You are arguing two very different things.

Take the bolded sentences and put them together and its clear you think Wuhan released the virus.

We use all kinds of human cells to grow viruses and a number of other things simply because we know how to grow them in culture.

This stuff is NOT new.
Why dont you post this:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

Exact same thing with MERS. Not highly scrutinized. Why not?

[DarrinS]

They did.
One of the labs in Wuhan was studying Coronaviruses in bats BEFORE any Covid viruses that infect people were found. They found them in the wild and were comparing them. They did not keep a bat colony in the lab.

Link?

[Winehole23]

Trump changed Darrin from a namby-pamby Republican into a dimbulb COVID truther.

You love to see it.

[DarrinS]

Trump changed Darrin from a namby-pamby Republican into a dimbulb COVID truther.

You love to see it.

What is a covid truther?

[pgardn]

Link?

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-015-0422-1

And on this you can blame Obama, 2015
So go ahead and blaze a new path for the red team.

[DarrinS]

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-015-0422-1

And on this you can blame Obama, 2015
So go ahead and blaze a new path for the red team.


From 2015

Where's the link I asked for?

[pgardn]

They did.
One of the labs in Wuhan was studying Coronaviruses in bats BEFORE any Covid viruses that infect people were found. They found them in the wild and were comparing them. They did not keep a bat colony in the lab.

Can you read?
You dont keep a bat colony in the lab.
You go out and get samples, bring them back, GROW them in the lab.

In order to study the virus we grow them in the lab inside of cells we know how to culture.
Did you think LABS kept enormous colonies of animals to harvest viruses from or what?
This was done on a number of different viruses in this general family and is standard practice for almost all the viruses we study.
We "raise" viruses IN CELL CULTURES IN A LAB.

This is getting comical.

[Winehole23]

What is a covid truther?You are. You cast scorn on any suggestion that COVID was zoonotic or that is wasn't intentionally unleased on the world by the sinister Chinese.

[Winehole23]

You're about to lie about not being one, but your subsequent posts will reveal you.

[DarrinS]

Can you read?
You dont keep a bat colony in the lab.
You go out and get samples, bring them back, GROW them in the lab.

In order to study the virus we grow them in the lab inside of cells we know how to culture.
Did you think LABS kept enormous colonies of animals to harvest viruses from or what?
This was done on a number of different viruses in this general family and is standard practice for almost all the viruses we study.
We "raise" viruses IN CELL CULTURES IN A LAB.

This is getting comical.

You said they tested Wuhan lab animals (in the covid-19 era).

Link?

[DarrinS]

You are. You cast scorn on any suggestion that COVID was zoonotic or that is wasn't intentionally unleased on the world by the sinister Chinese.


Wut?

Lab leaks can be, and mostly are, accidental.

[pgardn]

But bats and other organisms have been found with CORONAVIRUSES that are closely related to the original virus that was found that caused problems IN HUMANS. This is how WE GO ABOUT FINDING ORIGINS. Dont expect to find the exact same RNA sequence.
Why do people continue to give half truths and utter BS? The Delta virus that now causes the majority of cases is not like the first or the second strains, they have differences, but show a large amount of relatedness. This what we would expect from mutations and evolution.

In here?
Where did I type this?

[pgardn]

You said they tested Wuhan lab animals (in the covid-19 era).

Link?

so link where I said this?

[DarrinS]

Over 80,000 animals – from 209 species – were tested, including wild, domesticated and market animals. “As the WHO investigation reported, not a single animal infected with SARS-CoV-2 was found.



They should've tested animals from the lab.



They did.
One of the labs in Wuhan was studying Coronaviruses in bats BEFORE any Covid viruses that infect people were found. They found them in the wild and were comparing them. They did not keep a bat colony in the lab.





so link where I said this?



I was obviously referring to our current pandemic and not 2015.

[pgardn]

Is this why people accuse Darrin of being drunk when he posts?
Honest mistake is fine, but has he admitted to drinking and screwing up or what?

Edit:

Aha!
They can bring bats back and take samples from various body parts but they usually just take samples from the wild.
But they do not raise animals in the lab for virus. They grow the virus in cell culture.
Which is why I stated they do not bring colonies of bats to the lab.

I feel better now.

[Ef-man]

Is this why people accuse Darrin of being drunk when he posts?
Honest mistake is fine, but has he admitted to drinking and screwing up or what?

He is using alternate comprehension.

[DarrinS]

Is this why people accuse Darrin of being drunk when he posts?
Honest mistake is fine, but has he admitted to drinking and screwing up or what?

No. You fucked up.

[Winehole23]

Wut?

Lab leaks can be, and mostly are, accidental.your track record of being truthful about yourself isn't the greatest, tbh

I guess we'll see if your COVID trutherism is limited to lab-leak motivated reasoning.

[DarrinS]

When you fuck up, just go full ad hominem.

Two examples above

[pgardn]

I was obviously referring to our current pandemic and not 2015.

Our current pandemic is a VARIANT of the original strain found in Wuhan.
The whole reason we are interested in Wuhan and other chinese research is that they have ALREADY traced some nasty viruses back to animal vectors and then to some markets. MERS, SARS This goes back a lot further than even 2015. We do a lot of research in SE Asia as well as this appears where most of our flus eminate from and thus we can get out ahead and make a vaccine that might be effective.

So I am not sure what you are after?

[pgardn]

Is this why people accuse Darrin of being drunk when he posts?
Honest mistake is fine, but has he admitted to drinking and screwing up or what?

Edit:

Aha!
They can bring bats back and take samples from various body parts but they usually just take samples from the wild.
But they do not raise animals in the lab for virus. They grow the virus in cell culture.
Which is why I stated they do not bring colonies of bats to the lab.

I feel better now.


No. You fucked up.

I see where the miscommunication resulted.
But I still have no clue what you want now.

[DarrinS]

Our current pandemic is a VARIANT of the original strain found in Wuhan.
The whole reason we are interested in Wuhan and other chinese research is that they have ALREADY traced some nasty viruses back to animal vectors and then to some markets. MERS, SARS This goes back a lot further than even 2015. We do a lot of research in SE Asia as well as this appears where most of our flus eminate from and thus we can get out ahead and make a vaccine that might be effective.

So I am not sure what you are after?


Did the WHO test any animals at the Wuhan lab in the covid-19 era? Your previous post suggests they did. If so, do you have a link?

[DarrinS]

I see where the miscommunication resulted.
But I still have no clue what you want now.


Did the WHO test any animals at the Wuhan lab in the covid-19 era? Your previous post suggests they did. If so, do you have a link?


Is it clear now?

[pgardn]

Did the WHO test any animals at the Wuhan lab in the covid-19 era? Your previous post suggests they did. If so, do you have a link?

The Wuhan Lab DID NOT and DOES NOT raise lab animals FOR testing. AGAIN.

There is interest in the Wuhan market as animals in the wild have a similar virus and as shown in the paper you already read... and the wild animals might transmit virus to the market animals.

[pgardn]

Is it clear now?

Absolutely not.
Its not clear at all.

[DarrinS]

The Wuhan Lab DID NOT and DOES NOT raise lab animals FOR testing. AGAIN.

There is interest in the Wuhan market as animals in the wild have a similar virus and as shown in the paper you already read... and the wild animals might transmit virus to the market animals.


Are there "humanized mice" in the wild? Asking for a friend.

[pgardn]

Are there "humanized mice" in the wild? Asking for a friend.

Yes Darrin.
You.
Tell your friend.

[DarrinS]

Yes Darrin.
You.
Tell your friend.

Nope. Wrong again.

You're having a bad night.

[ElNono]

Federal judge tosses out Southwest Airlines pilots' petition against vaccine mandate
Federal workers and government contractors, which includes major U.S. commercial airlines, must be vaccinated by Dec. 8.

A Texas judge on Tuesday dismissed a request for an injunction against an impending vaccine mandate brought by a union that represents pilots at Southwest Airlines, a significant blow against their attempt to sidestep President Joe Biden's mandate for government contractors.

Federal workers and government contractors, which includes major U.S. commercial airlines, must be vaccinated by Dec. 8.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/26/southwest-airlines-petition-vaccine-mandate-517253

[DarrinS]

Federal judge tosses out Southwest Airlines pilots' petition against vaccine mandate
Federal workers and government contractors, which includes major U.S. commercial airlines, must be vaccinated by Dec. 8.

A Texas judge on Tuesday dismissed a request for an injunction against an impending vaccine mandate brought by a union that represents pilots at Southwest Airlines, a significant blow against their attempt to sidestep President Joe Biden's mandate for government contractors.

Federal workers and government contractors, which includes major U.S. commercial airlines, must be vaccinated by Dec. 8.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/26/southwest-airlines-petition-vaccine-mandate-517253


Fucking Darrins. :lol


Has nothing to do with me. Wtf?

[DarrinS]

Darrins is the male version of KaReNs. :lol

You ok?

[DarrinS]

.dp

[DarrinS]

Everytime you get owned you say that. :lmao

Yeah, you certainly owned me with that bizarre non sequitur.

[DarrinS]

Your fault for not getting it. You drinking tonight? :lol

Keep flailing, sadbert

[ChumpDumper]

Keep flailing, sadbertYou OK?

[hater]

:lmao here we go :lol

Called it :lol


https://twitter.com/drdavidsamadi/status/1453286904275865613?s=19

[pgardn]

Nope. Wrong again.

Im having a bad night.

I dont understand why you continually get yourself into these messes in which you know next to nothing and then bail out.
And you come back for more. Its like you represent the 1/3 of the country who enjoys being willfully ignorant; bathe in the glory my friend.

[pgardn]

:lmao here we go :lol

Called it :lol


https://twitter.com/drdavidsamadi/status/1453286904275865613?s=19

The flu vaccines must really destroy your life.
Have you got yours for this season?

[hater]

The flu vaccines must really destroy your life.
Have you got yours for this season?

Never have gotten a flu shot. Only once I was sick enough to need bedrest for 1 day

[pgardn]

Never have gotten a flu shot. Only once I was sick enough to need bedrest for 1 day

So you wish to share your diseases with the rest of humanity. If you were as horny as MM and bravely refused to wear a condom think of the possibilities. You could be famous. Hepatitis Hater. Typhoid Mary. You could be greatness.

ANd the rest of humanity?
Dont you bleed for them?

The HORROR! And kids still have to have the DPT like vaccine... think of it, all those poor kids.
And the dogs that Fauci tortured, they must have vaccines as well. Your world is crumbling. The vets are evil.

[hater]

So you wish to share your diseases with the rest of humanity. If you were as horny as MM and bravely refused to wear a condom think of the possibilities. You could be famous. Hepatitis Hater. Typhoid Mary. You could be greatness.

ANd the rest of humanity?
Dont you bleed for them?

The HORROR! And kids still have to have the DPT like vaccine... think of it, all those poor kids.
And the dogs that Fauci tortured, they must have vaccines as well. Your world is crumbling. The vets are evil.

Blah blah

Didnt read

[Winehole23]

More evidence that COVID-19 damages the brain

possible good news: vaccines might protect against that


Moving to cell and animal experiments the researchers then demonstrated exactly how the SARS-CoV-2 virus could kill these endothelial cells. And it is hypothesized that the consequence of this damage is decreased blood flow to brain regions, leading to cognitive problems or heightened risk of neurodegenerative disease.


“… we think, that the direct infection of brain endothelial cells by SARS-CoV-2 leads to the expression of its main protease which cleaves NEMO, an essential protein necessary for the survival of brain endothelial cells,” Wenzel says. “Our finding might explain at least partially neurological symptoms that not only appear during the acute but also long-term phase of COVID-19 including the increased risk for getting stroke or epileptic seizures and long COVID.”


The study does optimistically indicate this damage could be reversible, and mouse models demonstrate possible ways to inhibit this damaging interaction between the virus and endothelial cells. Wenzel also speculates vaccination could reduce the damage the virus causes to the blood-brain barrier.


“As far as we know vaccination protects against the vascular damage since the immune system acts against the virus in our blood, from where endothelial cells are infected,” says Wenzel.


https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-damage-blood-brain-barrier-cells-cognitive-long-covid/

The study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-021-00926-1

[ElNono]

:lmao here we go :lol

Called it :lol


https://twitter.com/drdavidsamadi/status/1453286904275865613?s=19

:lol talking to your doctor bad, better get your medical advice from randos on twitter

[DMC]

dabom is melting down. Incoming "ban me pls" forum run coming soon.

[daboom1]

Ebright never claims the EcoHealth research caused Covid, and neither have I. You are in fact retarded and are still trying to refute assertions never made :lol

:lol

[daboom1]

ltL70y5YA4Q

[hater]

ltL70y5YA4Q

:lmao

"Call da cops!" :lmao

Niga looks straight out of a wayans bros skit :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao here we go :lol

Called it :lol


https://twitter.com/drdavidsamadi/status/1453286904275865613?s=19Why don't you follow the science?

[koriwhat]

But bats and other organisms have been found with CORONAVIRUSES that are closely related to the original virus that was found that caused problems IN HUMANS. This is how WE GO ABOUT FINDING ORIGINS. Dont expect to find the exact same RNA sequence.
Why do people continue to give half truths and utter BS? The Delta virus that now causes the majority of cases is not like the first or the second strains, they have differences, but show a large amount of relatedness. This what we would expect from mutations and evolution.

Nice CCP talking points. :tu


Yeah Im sure so when hater put it right in the middle of all his other articles once he found out it was wrong.
You and hater planned it together, jokes on me.

gtfoh... you were not even a part of the sequence of stupid.

Bro it's the Babylon Bee and you're just finding out in 2021 that it's a site based on satire, sarcasm, and humor? Are you being serious right now? :lmao

[daboom1]

:lmao

"Call da cops!" :lmao

Niga looks straight out of a wayans bros skit :lmao

racist af :lol ("poor ass messican")

throwing a fit in front of your kid :lol

Media got these people f'd up

[Winehole23]

"no threat to children"

hater also said only 500 children have died of COVID. He erred on the low side by ~28%, the current tally is 691 deaths.

More than half of those have been since April. It appears Delta is more dangerous to children. The recent spike was the worst yet under 18 y/o.

1452830419326541828

[pgardn]

Nice CCP talking points. :tu



Bro it's the Babylon Bee and you're just finding out in 2021 that it's a site based on satire, sarcasm, and humor? Are you being serious right now? :lmao

Tell hater that brotato chip.
Hes the one who stuck it in with his ridiculous tweetstorm of idiots.

The talking points are mine bro. CCP wtf?
If you dont understand or dont believe them its not my fault if you want to play dumbass.
Best live up to your own standard, not others.

[hater]

"no threat to children"

hater also said only 500 children have died of COVID. He erred on the low side by ~28%, the current tally is 691 deaths.

More than half of those have been since April. It appears Delta is more dangerous to children. The recent spike was the worst yet under 18 y/o.

1452830419326541828


Disagree. Last year kids were home from school. This year they are all at school thus the larger numbers of infections and dead. Still a drop in the ocean compared to adults. Kids are safe :tu

[koriwhat]

The talking points are mine bro. CCP wtf?
If you dont understand or dont believe them its not my fault if you want to play dumbass.
Best live up to your own standard, not others.

If I don't believe who exactly? The CCP? Yeah I'll never believe anything a Communist has to say, never!

The only good commie is a dead commie! :tu

Maybe I read your reply wrong though so correct me if so.

[hater]

Paging winehole. Told u so ma nig :tu

Polling suggests an uphill battle to convince parents about the vaccine for young children. Only a third of parents said they would immediately seek vaccinations for kids 5 to 11, according to Kaiser Family Foundation polling.


Sarah Beth Burwick, a lawyer in Los Angeles, said she and her husband both got their Covid-19 vaccinations at “the earliest possible opportunity” and their two children received all of their childhood vaccinations “on the schedule, without even questioning it."

But she's not planning to rush out to get the children, ages 5 and 2, vaccinated against Covid, even though one of them could be eligible as soon as next week.

“There would need to be information out there to convince us it was necessary first," Burwick, 37, said. “I would say I think it’s unnecessary. And I’m uncomfortable with how quickly it’s rolling out with such a small study."


Michelle Goebel, 36, an engineer and mother of three in Carlsbad, California, said she, her husband and their parents have all been vaccinated against Covid “because we understand the age-stratified risk.”

Her children, ages 9, 6 and 3, are fully up to date with their vaccinations, she said, and “even got their flu shots last week.” But she is not ready to vaccinate her children if a Covid vaccine for them were to be given emergency use authorization.

“I’m not opposed to vaccinating them in the future, maybe, but right now my husband and I are not comfortable with the data,” she said. “I need more numbers. I want to see any reported reactions as the numbers increase. I think I would like at least a year out from the trial data to follow up with those original participants to just make sure nothing popped up basically.”



Msnbc.com



Called it ma negro :tu

[pgardn]

If I don't believe who exactly? The CCP? Yeah I'll never believe anything a Communist has to say, never!

The only good commie is a dead commie! :tu

Maybe I read your reply wrong though so correct me if so.


You are fkn paranoid.
Thats just evolution and mutation stuff.
Calling that communist is laughable.

Seriously you dont understand science or forms of government.

What in God name does my post have to do with communism? Which part, tell me.

[ElNono]

beep boop

[ElNono]

racist af :lol ("poor ass messican")

throwing a fit in front of your kid :lol

Media got these people f'd up

:lmao:lmao:lmao the irony of this post

[ElNono]

Paging winehole. Told u so ma nig :tu

Polling suggests an uphill battle to convince parents about the vaccine for young children. Only a third of parents said they would immediately seek vaccinations for kids 5 to 11, according to Kaiser Family Foundation polling.

Sarah Beth Burwick, a lawyer in Los Angeles, said she and her husband both got their Covid-19 vaccinations at “the earliest possible opportunity” and their two children received all of their childhood vaccinations “on the schedule, without even questioning it."

But she's not planning to rush out to get the children, ages 5 and 2, vaccinated against Covid, even though one of them could be eligible as soon as next week.

“There would need to be information out there to convince us it was necessary first," Burwick, 37, said. “I would say I think it’s unnecessary. And I’m uncomfortable with how quickly it’s rolling out with such a small study."

Michelle Goebel, 36, an engineer and mother of three in Carlsbad, California, said she, her husband and their parents have all been vaccinated against Covid “because we understand the age-stratified risk.”

Her children, ages 9, 6 and 3, are fully up to date with their vaccinations, she said, and “even got their flu shots last week.” But she is not ready to vaccinate her children if a Covid vaccine for them were to be given emergency use authorization.

“I’m not opposed to vaccinating them in the future, maybe, but right now my husband and I are not comfortable with the data,” she said. “I need more numbers. I want to see any reported reactions as the numbers increase. I think I would like at least a year out from the trial data to follow up with those original participants to just make sure nothing popped up basically.”

Msnbc.com

Called it ma negro :tu

You're not a children though, right?

[hater]

You're not a children though, right?

Correct ma salvadorian nig :tu

[hater]

https://twitter.com/karol/status/1453388854585614346?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1453676696578793472?s=19

[hater]

Oopsie another L for the "vaccine"

https://twitter.com/RenzPolster/status/1453299718432374784?s=19

[hater]

MRNA covid vaxes will go down in flames vs this



https://twitter.com/DrSimonAshworth/status/1453337268333256705?s=19

[hater]

Youdontsay.gif


https://twitter.com/TASNMissouri/status/1453358338977275907?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

:lol hater is just a retweet bot now

[Thread]

Youdontsay.gif


https://twitter.com/TASNMissouri/status/1453358338977275907?s=19

MF Biden is gonna have to pay for those monoclonal treatments. Sure, CNN/MSM can strive mightily to hide that fact, and he can fly away this afternoon, but it's gonna be here when he flies back.
ha, ha.

[pgardn]

MRNA covid vaxes will go down in flames vs this



https://twitter.com/DrSimonAshworth/status/1453337268333256705?s=19

Do you have any clue how common this statement is in hundreds of current studies doing this searching?

The COVID-19 pandemic, caused by SARS-CoV-2, continues torage in many countries, straining health systems and economies. Vaccines protect against severe disease and death andare considered central to ending the pandemic. COVID-19vaccines (and SARS-CoV-2 infection) elicit antibodies that aredirected against the viral spike (S) protein and neutralize thevirus. However, the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variants with Sprotein mutations that confer resistance to neutralizationmight compromise vaccine efficacy [1]. Furthermore, emergingviral variants with enhanced transmissibility, likely due toaltered virus-host cell interactions, might rapidly spreadglobally. Therefore, it is important to investigate whetheremerging SARS-CoV-2 variants exhibit altered host cellinteractions and resistance against antibody-mediatedneutralization


And yes its important to follow these things. But this Mutant is the ONE?
And different vaccines recognize different regions of the spike protein. And we already have mRNA vaccines waiting that recognize proteins other than the spike protein. Like the bolded is something new... Do you realize how many of these slight alterations have resulted in nothing?
And the amazing science part is applauding the fact we have so many people on this stuff trying and perfecting techniques to find these mutations in the spike protein.
And... you dont know what you are posting.

But for Hater... This MIGHT be the one. Hater lays down his money.
He also writes about his daughter going back to school and 12 kids in her grade level have Covid and thinks the policy of schools opening without more precautions reeks of current policy forced on schools is to TRY to infect kids. Do you want retweet that twitter statement under YOUR own name? These are individuals that have big followings because they most likely want to have many followers.

[Thread]

Do you have any clue how common this statement is in hundreds of current studies doing this searching?

The COVID-19 pandemic, caused by SARS-CoV-2, continues torage in many countries, straining health systems and economies. Vaccines protect against severe disease and death andare considered central to ending the pandemic. COVID-19vaccines (and SARS-CoV-2 infection) elicit antibodies that aredirected against the viral spike (S) protein and neutralize thevirus. However, the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variants with Sprotein mutations that confer resistance to neutralizationmight compromise vaccine efficacy [1]. Furthermore, emergingviral variants with enhanced transmissibility, likely due toaltered virus-host cell interactions, might rapidly spreadglobally. Therefore, it is important to investigate whetheremerging SARS-CoV-2 variants exhibit altered host cellinteractions and resistance against antibody-mediatedneutralization


And yes its important to follow these things. But this Mutant is the ONE?
And different vaccines recognize different regions of the spike protein. And we already have mRNA vaccines waiting that recognize proteins other than the spike protein. Like the bolded is something new... Do you realize how many of these slight alterations have resulted in nothing?
And the amazing science part is applauding the fact we have so many people on this stuff trying and perfecting techniques to find these mutations in the spike protein.
And... you dont know what you are posting.

But for Hater... This MIGHT be the one. Hater lays down his money.
He also writes about his daughter going back to school and 12 kids in her grade level have Covid and thinks the policy of schools opening without more precautions reeks of current policy forced on schools is to TRY to infect kids. Do you want retweet that twitter statement under YOUR own name? These are individuals that have big followings because they most likely want to have many followers.

He's just trying to scare the shit outta ya, peeg. Is (it) out?

[pgardn]

He's just trying to scare the shit outta ya, peeg. Is (it) out?

Well it instead allows me to throw some heavy body shots and quick jabs to his face.
So yeah, hater and his forecasts via twitter... they are fun. Does it petrify you? (And I dont mean cause a Biden "woody")

[hater]

Time for your meds urine...

[pgardn]

Time for your meds urine...

Everyday is a scary day my Sandinistan refugee.

[boutons_deux]

covid is now a Top 10 cause of child death

COVID Now a 'Major Cause of Death' in Kids But Many Parents Remain Hesitant on Vaccine

According to a Kaiser Family Foundation poll,

four in 10 parents with children between 5 and 11 plan to "wait a while to see how it is working" before vaccinating their kids.

Their reservations run the gamut:

Some worry the vaccine is not safe.

Others believe the government has exaggerated the threat COVID-19 poses to kids.

A small percentage are opposed to all vaccines.

But many, like Hammond, who says she plans to "wait until the dialogue settles a bit," are simply confused by all the noise.

https://www.newsweek.com/2021/11/05/covid-now-major-cause-death-kids-many-parents-remain-hesitant-vaccine-1642720.html (https://www.newsweek.com/2021/11/05/covid-now-major-cause-death-kids-many-parents-remain-hesitant-vaccine-1642720.html)

rightwingnut jobs, poisoned by rightwing hate media, are making the country MORTALLY ungovernable.

Fascism is next

[koriwhat]

You are fkn paranoid.
Thats just evolution and mutation stuff.
Calling that communist is laughable.

Seriously you dont understand science or forms of government.

What in God name does my post have to do with communism? Which part, tell me.

Are you suggesting that a fucking bat is the cause of all this and not the CCP? I mean show me the bat that started all of this and not the CCP's version of what they'd like us to believe.

[pgardn]

Are you suggesting that a fucking bat is the cause of all this and not the CCP? I mean show me the bat that started all of this and not the CCP's version of what they'd like us to believe.

NO.
I am doing more than SUGGESTING.
We share viruses with animals all the time. Sometimes its not a good thing. We see this for a number of different viruses.
So it is INFINITELY MORE PROBABLY this came from an animal than your dreaded Chinese PRODUCING this themselves.

The RNA sequence of this virus is novel enough that it is hugely unlikely ANYONE, would have thought up this sequence, produced a virus, and the virus had this widespread effect. This is science fiction gone wild. I suggest you go to a molecular biology conference and explain why molecularly this had to be man made and by Chinese scientist. And show them your base sequence evidence and the proteins it codes for. Then explain how the proteins are perfect for binding to the epithelial cells in humans already targeted.
And when you do go in, offer free tattoos afterwards as an apology.
Everyone is an expert, even tattoo artists. Wtf have you been reading to get this crazy bull shit in your head?

[DarrinS]

And yet, they can't find the animal source. They did, for SARS and MERS.

[pgardn]

And yet, they can't find the animal source. They did, for SARS and MERS.

We have already found the most likely animal. Bats.
But is there another animal vector in between, we dont know.
And part of the reason we cant good information is because the Chinese are going to be instransigient about this and cause as much trouble as they can because are relationship is incredibly bad right now. Again, just like the Russians spread a few lies and it took off with dumbshits, China witholds and takes joy in Trumper US citizens think they cooked it up. It so easy when a country has a population of paranoid dumb shits. So I take my hat off to them, just like the Russians, and applaud their low budget methods of destabilizing a stupid country.

[DMC]

We have already found the most likely animal. Bats.
But is there another animal vector in between, we dont know.
And part of the reason we cant good information is because the Chinese are going to be instransigient about this and cause as much trouble as they can because are relationship is incredibly bad right now. Again, just like the Russians spread a few lies and it took off with dumbshits, China witholds and takes joy in Trumper US citizens think they cooked it up. It so easy when a country has a population of paranoid dumb shits. So I take my hat off to them, just like the Russians, and applaud their low budget methods of destabilizing a stupid country.

You fucking ass clown. You think COVID only affected the US? The 1st thing China would want to do if they had no part in it was to show they had no part in it. They would not want to lose face on the world stage.

You're really stupid.

[pgardn]

You fucking ass clown. You think COVID only affected the US? The 1st thing China would want to do if they had no part in it was to show they had no part in it. They would not want to lose face on the world stage.

You're really stupid.

Did I say it affected ONLY the US asshole.
SE Asia has viruses that arise from their animal sources all the time. Do they lose FACE?
You are an idiot. They bumbled not telling the world how deadly it might be, THIS is already KNOWN.

But not letting us more info? This is NOT about bungling it, the cat is out of bag idiot. This is about understanding its origins. And How it was able to spread so rapidly. What changes took place to make it so potent.
WE KNOW they would NOT ALLOW THEIR SCIENTISTS to inform us and give us info.

So... they had no part in WHAT exactly? Tell us

[DarrinS]

We have already found the most likely animal. Bats.
But is there another animal vector in between, we dont know.
And part of the reason we cant good information is because the Chinese are going to be instransigient about this and cause as much trouble as they can because are relationship is incredibly bad right now. Again, just like the Russians spread a few lies and it took off with dumbshits, China witholds and takes joy in Trumper US citizens think they cooked it up. It so easy when a country has a population of paranoid dumb shits. So I take my hat off to them, just like the Russians, and applaud their low budget methods of destabilizing a stupid country.


"Although considerable evidence supports the natural origins of other outbreaks (eg, Nipah, MERS, and the 2002–04 SARS outbreak) direct evidence for a natural origin for SARS-CoV-2 is missing. After 19 months of investigations, the proximal progenitor of SARS-CoV-2 is still lacking. Neither the host pathway from bats to humans, nor the geographical route from Yunnan (where the viruses most closely related to SARS-CoV-2 have been sampled) to Wuhan (where the pandemic emerged) have been identified. More than 80 000 samples collected from Chinese wildlife sites and animal farms all proved negative.13 In addition, the international research community has no access to the sites, samples, or raw data. Although the Joint WHO-China Study concluded that the laboratory origin was “extremely unlikely”,13 WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus declared that all hypotheses remained on the table including that of a laboratory leak.14"


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext

[pgardn]

"Although considerable evidence supports the natural origins of other outbreaks (eg, Nipah, MERS, and the 2002–04 SARS outbreak) direct evidence for a natural origin for SARS-CoV-2 is missing. After 19 months of investigations, the proximal progenitor of SARS-CoV-2 is still lacking. Neither the host pathway from bats to humans, nor the geographical route from Yunnan (where the viruses most closely related to SARS-CoV-2 have been sampled) to Wuhan (where the pandemic emerged) have been identified. More than 80 000 samples collected from Chinese wildlife sites and animal farms all proved negative.13 In addition, the international research community has no access to the sites, samples, or raw data. Although the Joint WHO-China Study concluded that the laboratory origin was “extremely unlikely”,13 WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus declared that all hypotheses remained on the table including that of a laboratory leak.14"


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02019-5/fulltext

When we get access to their info, if we do, how much would you like to bet?
I am saying animal origin JUST LIKE all this other shit we have already studied. YOU say they created it?
This would be a first for the world. A country creates its own RNA virus that then causes a pandemic.

You leave the board and dont come back. Yes?

[DMC]

We have already found the most likely animal. Bats.
But is there another animal vector in between, we dont know.
And part of the reason we cant good information is because the Chinese are going to be instransigient about this and cause as much trouble as they can because are relationship is incredibly bad right now. Again, just like the Russians spread a few lies and it took off with dumbshits, China witholds and takes joy in Trumper US citizens think they cooked it up. It so easy when a country has a population of paranoid dumb shits. So I take my hat off to them, just like the Russians, and applaud their low budget methods of destabilizing a stupid country.


Did I say it affected ONLY the US asshole.
SE Asia has viruses that arise from their animal sources all the time. Do they lose FACE?
You are an idiot. They bumbled not telling the world how deadly it might be, THIS is already KNOWN.

But not letting us more info? This is NOT about bungling it, the cat is out of bag idiot. This is about understanding its origins. And How it was able to spread so rapidly. What changes took place to make it so potent.
WE KNOW they would NOT ALLOW THEIR SCIENTISTS to inform us and give us info.

So... they had no part in WHAT exactly? Tell us

You only said it affected the US. Yeah you said that. You're so fucking lost mentally and so ate up with egotistical arrogant ignorance that you cannot keep your bullshit straight.

[pgardn]

You only said it affected the US. Yeah you said that. You're so fucking lost mentally and so ate up with egotistical arrogant ignorance that you cannot keep your bullshit straight.

I said it affected ONLY the US... I said Covid only affected the US

Where?

You wanna play science guy and you cant.
Its not my fault you again take on stuff you dont get.
Talk about Hoover Vacuum sales and I will back down, I promise.

[koriwhat]

NO.
I am doing more than SUGGESTING.
We share viruses with animals all the time. Sometimes its not a good thing. We see this for a number of different viruses.
So it is INFINITELY MORE PROBABLY this came from an animal than your dreaded Chinese PRODUCING this themselves.

Running cover for Communists isn't my forte but it's becoming clear that it's def yours. Come on now PG.

[koriwhat]

And yet, they can't find the animal source. They did, for SARS and MERS.


You fucking ass clown. You think COVID only affected the US? The 1st thing China would want to do if they had no part in it was to show they had no part in it. They would not want to lose face on the world stage.

You're really stupid.


:tu

[pgardn]

Running cover for Communists isn't my forte but it's becoming clear that it's def yours. Come on now PG.

So I am covering for communists because I say this virus has an animal origin.
Is this what you are saying?

[koriwhat]

So I am covering for communists because I say this virus has an animal origin.

You're running cover for the CCP and SPECULATING the source. You have no idea the source and that's a fact!

[ChumpDumper]

You're so fucking lost mentally and so ate up with egotistical arrogant ignorance that you cannot keep your bullshit straight.:lol DMC continues to project when trying to attack other posters

[DarrinS]

When we get access to their info, if we do, how much would you like to bet?
I am saying animal origin JUST LIKE all this other shit we have already studied. YOU say they created it?
This would be a first for the world. A country creates its own RNA virus that then causes a pandemic.

You leave the board and dont come back. Yes?


" In 2015, virologists led by Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill reported the creation of their own chimaera. They took a version of the coronavirus responsible for the deadly outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in the early 2000s — now known as SARS-CoV — and adorned it with surface proteins from a different coronavirus taken from Chinese horseshoe bats. In the laboratory, this particular mash-up was able to break into human cells and also make mice ill1. This chimaera came with a message: other coronaviruses have the potential to spark a human pandemic."


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02903-x

[DMC]

I said it affected ONLY the US... I said Covid only affected the US

Where?

You wanna play science guy and you cant.
Its not my fault you again take on stuff you dont get.
Talk about Hoover Vacuum sales and I will back down, I promise.

:lol dipshit, you acted like China is holding out on divulging info because of their relationship with the US, as if the ROTW isn't also affected. Once again you move the goalpost.

I'm sure you would back into a a hoover vacuum.

[DMC]

" In 2015, virologists led by Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill reported the creation of their own chimaera. They took a version of the coronavirus responsible for the deadly outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in the early 2000s — now known as SARS-CoV — and adorned it with surface proteins from a different coronavirus taken from Chinese horseshoe bats. In the laboratory, this particular mash-up was able to break into human cells and also make mice ill1. This chimaera came with a message: other coronaviruses have the potential to spark a human pandemic."


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02903-x

What do you know about science, huh science guy? You don't know shit. I work with microtiter plates! I have actually aliquoted samples. Have you? HAVE YOU?

Didn't think so, nature boy.

hahahahahaha

Signed
pgardavante

[hater]

What do you know about science, huh science guy? You don't know shit. I work with microtiter plates! I have actually aliquoted samples. Have you? HAVE YOU?

Didn't think so, nature boy.

hahahahahaha

Signed
pgardavante

:lol

[pgardn]

What do you know about science, huh science guy? You don't know shit. I work with microtiter plates! I have actually aliquoted samples. Have you? HAVE YOU?

Didn't think so, nature boy.

hahahahahaha

Signed
pgardavante

Yes.
But infrequently. My wife (girlfriend at the time) helped me as I do not have very good fine dexterity.
So what kind of sterile technique were you working with? You were working with cells, or what? Gonna be more fun here.

Thankfully. We have machines for those things now.

I have used a Hoover Vacuum as well. Can you tell me about what I did wrong?

NOW FOR THE MEAT OF THE MATTER

Of course we know how to alter viruses and mix proteins.
So you think a chimera was released by Chinese scientists?
A chimera that does absolutely nothing to humans as shown.

If it was a chimera it would have altered RNA which is VERY EASY TO DETECT by any good science team you fkin moron. We know what it should look like. Its like putting human fingerprints all over it.
Thats why I HAVE BEEN STATING THIS IS DEFINITELY A VIRUS FROM THE WILD, NOT MADE BY HUMANS, BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW HUMANS FIDDLE WITH VIRUSES. No scientist is his right mind WOULD have EVER come up with the Covid virus. We would have never known BEFORE looking at the clearly wild sequence it would have such an ability to infect, no one could have figured this from the sequence and the proteins.

You dont know what the shit you are talking about which I have repeatedly stated and you keep putting your foot in your mouth, because...

you just flat out dont know this stuff.
You really should stop. But if you would like, I will keep making sure this board knows you dont know this shit. And you know you dont.

[pgardn]

:lol

And you....
you once told DMC he was dead wrong by calling viruses alive.

Why? Why did you say this.
Explain it to DMC.
Lets get you two talking viruses since you know this stuff.

[pgardn]

:lol dipshit, you acted like China is holding out on divulging info because of their relationship with the US, as if the ROTW isn't also affected. Once again you move the goalpost.

I'm sure you would back into a a hoover vacuum.

The virus is out you fkn idiot.
Knowing its origins and their fuckups in informing the nation who knows the most about these virus labs, the US, is what WE WANT.
WE want to know more about the origins because the more we know, the better we can detect these things in the future. If China had come clean early on, its possible the catastrophe could have been mitigated somewhat, but its done you idiot.
Newsflash, the virus is OUT.

This is NOT what we want to know now... because we ALREADY fkn know it bozo.

[pgardn]

" In 2015, virologists led by Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill reported the creation of their own chimaera. They took a version of the coronavirus responsible for the deadly outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in the early 2000s — now known as SARS-CoV — and adorned it with surface proteins from a different coronavirus taken from Chinese horseshoe bats. In the laboratory, this particular mash-up was able to break into human cells and also make mice ill1. This chimaera came with a message: other coronaviruses have the potential to spark a human pandemic."


https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02903-x

I have already told you the debate here. I am on the side of fiddling with these virus because making them how we would like, and then breaking them, is how to learn how they work. Biology on the whole works this way. You find and organelle in a cell and you have no idea what its function is. So, you find a molecule that will bind to it, fk it up, and see what happens to the cell, a group of cells, a tissue, an organ, a body. This is a basic theme. Biology is so difficult that we have to fool with all kinds of biomolecules in order to find out what there function is. Some scientists believe that in the wrong hands, this could lead to some disturbing bioweapons. Well guess what. That cat is also out of the bag. Just like nuclear weapons. Thankfully both are relatively difficult to accomplish. Which is why there is a world wide effort for countries to be able to monitor each others biolabs that play with these molecules in this manner.

2nd time is a charm.
Maybe.
But I doubt it.

[DarrinS]

I have already told you the debate here. I am on the side of fiddling with these virus because making them how we would like, and then breaking them, is how to learn how they work. Biology on the whole works this way. You find and organelle in a cell and you have no idea what its function is. So, you find a molecule that will bind to it, fk it up, and see what happens to the cell, a group of cells, a tissue, an organ, a body. This is a basic theme. Biology is so difficult that we have to fool with all kinds of biomolecules in order to find out what there function is. Some scientists believe that in the wrong hands, this could lead to some disturbing bioweapons. Well guess what. That cat is also out of the bag. Just like nuclear weapons. Thankfully both are relatively difficult to accomplish. Which is why there is a world wide effort for countries to be able to monitor each others biolabs that play with these molecules in this manner.

2nd time is a charm.
Maybe.
But I doubt it.


Or, it can cause a pandemic. :tu

[pgardn]

Or, it can cause a pandemic. :tu

A man made chimera did not cause the pandemic.
Bet?
Do you want to leave the board because I know you are a man of your word.

[DarrinS]

A man made chimera did not cause the pandemic.
Bet?
Do you want to leave the board because I know you are a man of your word.


I'll take the bet.

[pgardn]

I'll take the bet.

It may take a while but you will be leaving.
You cant comeback as one of these idiotic pseudo names.
Excellent. We all will miss you.

[DarrinS]

It may take a while but you will be leaving.
You cant comeback as one of these idiotic pseudo names.
Excellent. We all will miss you.

Just test another 80K animals. Lab animals are long gone.

[pgardn]

Just test another 80K animals. Lab animals are long gone.

Darrin there were no lab animals in Wuhan.
There was a market with a bunch of different types of animals.
The lab in Wuhan grew virus in cell cultures.

[DarrinS]

Darrin there were no lab animals in Wuhan.
There was a market with a bunch of different types of animals.
The lab in Wuhan grew virus in cell cultures.


:lol

[pgardn]

:lol

Darrin what do people do to make virus reproduce so they can have enough of a quantity to study in the lab?

[DarrinS]

Darrin what do people do to make virus reproduce so they can have enough of a quantity to study in the lab?

You claimed that WHO tested Wuhan lab animals AND that no Wuhan lab animals exist.

Nice

[DMC]

You claimed that WHO tested Wuhan lab animals AND that no Wuhan lab animals exist.

Nice

Not mutually exclusive. Labs can test animals in the wild using research teams, that doesn't technically make them lab animals as those are typically kept in controlled environments and monitored.

[Cuck Ross]

the vaccine reduces your likelihood of catching covid (thereby preventing you from spreading it), and keeps the viral load low in the event that you DO catch it, such that you wont be able to spread it for nearly as long

so yes it has that net effect

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[hater]

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We knew this.

:tu

Follow da science thang :lol

Called it

[hater]

:lmao Damn chinese have had enough :lmao

Obliterating our american media :lol

https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1454050415910129666?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao Damn chinese have had enough :lmao

Obliterating our american media :lol

https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1454050415910129666?s=19Something was lost in the translation there, either by you or the Chinese.

[hater]

Something was lost in the translation there, either by you or the Chinese.

Not at all :lol

[spurraider21]

1453772598504919041
from the paper the article cites to:

Interpretation

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

so i was wrong about peak viral load for breakthrough cases when it comes to delta (the paper confirms that it reduced peak viral load for the alpha strain). but i was correct that:

1) vaccinated individuals dont spread it for nearly as long, since their viral clearance is accelerated
2) being vaccinated reduces the risk of infection to begin with

the paper also demonstrated that vaccinated household members were less likely to catch covid than unvaccinated household members

so again, yes, it has the net effect of reducing transmissions :tu.

should follow the science.

[ChumpDumper]

1453772598504919041

“The ongoing transmission we are seeing between vaccinated people makes it essential for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated to protect themselves.”

:lol murked by your own article

[Cuck Ross]

from the paper the article cites to:

Interpretation

Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

so i was wrong about peak viral load for breakthrough cases when it comes to delta (the paper confirms that it reduced peak viral load for the alpha strain). but i was correct that:

1) vaccinated individuals dont spread it for nearly as long, since their viral clearance is accelerated
2) being vaccinated reduces the risk of infection to begin with

the paper also demonstrated that vaccinated household members were less likely to catch covid than unvaccinated household members

so again, yes, it has the net effect of reducing transmissions :tu.

should follow the science.
Posted strictly for your viral load claim. :tu

[hater]

“The ongoing transmission we are seeing between vaccinated people makes it essential for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated to protect themselves.”

:lol murked by your own article

You totally missed the point he was making :lol

Not surprising :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You totally missed the point he was making :lol

Not surprising :lolWhat point was he making?

What point are you making?

Vaccines bad.

Even though you're both vaccinated.

Not surprising.:lol

[hater]

What point was he making?

What point are you making?

Vaccines bad.

Even though you're both vaccinated.

Not surprising.:lol

Nope :lol

Missed again :lmao

Try harder he gave you a hint 2 post above :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Nope :lol

Missed again :lmao

Try harder he gave you a hint 2 post above :lmao:lol He can't even post under his main screen name anymore.

[hater]

:lol He can't even post under his main screen name anymore.

:lmao whataboutism.org

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao whataboutism.orgIf he and you want to move the goalpost to only viral load for infected people, fine.


Just say you're doing that.

[spurraider21]

Posted strictly for your viral load claim. :tu
oh, ok :lol

glad my general point that it reduces transmissions (which is what i was arguing with hater about, as he outright said "the vaccine does not prevent spread. stop spreading fake news") was correct :tu

[pgardn]

You claimed that WHO tested Wuhan lab animals AND that no Wuhan lab animals exist.

Nice

We already went over this.
They took samples from the animals in caves and took some back to dissect to look take samples from diff body parts (its not clear where this was done actually). The lab that studied these viruses do not raise animals to study. The lab in question specifically used cell cultures to raise enough viruses to get enough RNA to classify them, thats what the lab was involved in... The evolutionary tree of these viruses. This lab became of interest only when the pandemic hit, and rightly so, because they realized along with US help that this virus was in the "coronavirus family." The particular lab of interest was run by a lady that informed us of her worries THAT the wild bats she sampled and the viruses they were growing in the lab had any role in the first outbreak of the virus. She told us, THEY told us because we had a close relationship. There was nothing going on with use of function studies or the chinese attempting to produce a virus in this lab to infect the world. They freely talked to us before the relationship got really bad between the US and China. Good luck getting her to speak now.

Read: This is history behind the Chinese bat studies. Free and open to the public BEFORE China shut us out.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

Shi, a virologist who is often called China’s “bat woman” by her colleagues because of her virus-hunting expeditions in bat caves over the past 16 years, walked out of the conference she was attending in Shanghai and hopped on the next train back to Wuhan. “I wondered if [the municipal health authority] got it wrong,” she says. “I had never expected this kind of thing to happen in Wuhan, in central China.” Her studies had shown that the southern, subtropical provinces of Guangdong, Guangxi and Yunnan have the greatest risk of coronaviruses jumping to humans from animals—particularly bats, a known reservoir. If coronaviruses were the culprit, she remembers thinking, “Could they have come from our lab?"

further on:

On the train back to Wuhan on December 30 last year, Shi and her colleagues discussed ways to immediately start testing the patients’ samples. In the following weeks—the most intense and the most stressful time of her life—China’s bat woman felt she was fighting a battle in her worst nightmare, even though it was one she had been preparing for over the past 16 years. Using a technique called polymerase chain reaction, which can detect a virus by amplifying its genetic material, the team found that samples from five of seven patients had genetic sequences present in all coronaviruses.

Shi instructed her group to repeat the tests and, at the same time, sent the samples to another facility to sequence the full viral genomes. Meanwhile she frantically went through her own lab’s records from the past few years to check for any mishandling of experimental materials, especially during disposal. Shi breathed a sigh of relief when the results came back: none of the sequences matched those of the viruses her team had sampled from bat caves. “That really took a load off my mind,” she says. “I had not slept a wink for days.”

and her opinion:

“Bat-borne coronaviruses will cause more outbreaks,” Shi says with a tone of brooding certainty. “We must find them before they find us.” 

There is still much more we need from the Chinese. They shut us out.

[hater]

oh, ok :lol

glad my general point that it reduces transmissions (which is what i was arguing with hater about, as he outright said "the vaccine does not prevent spread. stop spreading fake news") was correct :tu

"The vaccine does not prevent spread"

Thats a FACT. you cannot dispute that statement ma nig

Follow d science :tu

[hater]

If he and you want to move the goalpost to only viral load for infected people, fine.


Just say you're doing that.

Apology accepted

[spurraider21]

"The vaccine does not prevent spread"

Thats a FACT. you cannot dispute that statement ma nig

Follow d science :tu
debunked by cuck ross's article (and the study it refers to)

[hater]

debunked by cuck ross's article (and the study it refers to)

No

The word you might be look8ng for is "reduces" not "prevents"

Follow da science :tu

[ChumpDumper]

No

The word you might be look8ng for is "reduces" not "prevents"

Follow da science :tuApology accepted.:tu