Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[DMC]

Yeah Karens who are pissing and moaning about going without masks don’t seem fringe to me. They seem like upper middle class housewives. I’m sure they’re shallow people I’d want to murder with a rusty hatchet if I had a conservation with them, but not fringe.

To your point, GWB’s approval rating dipped to 25% in 2008 because of a global financial crisis that had been in the making since the 1980s (GWB certainly shoulders some blame for it but Alan Greenspan is still the architect of the financial crisis imo). Rignt now the country is in equally as much disarray as it was in 2008 almost solely due to a public health crisis that every modern country other than Murica has gotten under control by now, but DJT’s approval rating won’t go below 40%. Why exactly would that 15% give the benefit of the doubt to Trump and not GWB? It makes no sense.
So you think middle class housewives are a large portion of the GOP voter base? I'd bet most "karens" don't vote. They also don't read. They have no idea about science or government, just want to party with their bitches and do their Pinterest shit. Being told to wear a mask and cover up that expensive botox is offensive. It's not representative of the right just as antifa purple haired fat lesbians aren't representative of the left.

[midnightpulp]

Yeah Karens who are pissing and moaning about going without masks don’t seem fringe to me. They seem like upper middle class housewives. I’m sure they’re shallow people I’d want to murder with a rusty hatchet if I had a conservation with them, but not fringe.

To your point, GWB’s approval rating dipped to 25% in 2008 because of a global financial crisis that had been in the making since the 1980s (GWB certainly shoulders some blame for it but Alan Greenspan is still the architect of the financial crisis imo). Rignt now the country is in equally as much disarray as it was in 2008 almost solely due to a public health crisis that every modern country other than Murica has gotten under control by now, but DJT’s approval rating won’t go below 40%. Why exactly would that 15% give the benefit of the doubt to Trump and not GWB? It makes no sense.

I think it's because they love owning the libs that much. Seems silly, I know. But their entire existence is centered on telling libs, "He's still your president," on social media.

[DMC]

Because th:lolldren just admitted it for masks.

See my edits above.

I'm not revisiting your edits. Slow your F5 spamming and think about what you want to say before rapid fire shit posting.

You lied about what tholdren "admitted". He never said it was out of fear, you did. If you're going to be pissy about it and insist on a win, just move along.

[DMC]

Because they wear the armor of Christ

ooh Blake with the Christian angle - out of nowhere. Totally unexpected.

[midnightpulp]

So it's returned to November.

Just curious why mainstream conservatives still back Trump, especially when they have a conservative option on Joe Biden. Truth about the US is we never had a "progressive" president aside from maybe FDR. Does matter if a Dem or Rep is president, conservatives really do win either way. That considered, why do 40 percent still unflinchingly support him?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not revisiting your edits. Slow your F5 spamming and think about what you want to say before rapid fire shit posting.You're just going to insist you won and move on.:lol


You lied about what tholdren "admitted". He never said it was out of fear, you did.:lol what do you think he said about it?

I asked him if he did it out of fear punishment and he said yes.

If you claim it was something else, tell me what it was.

[DMC]

Just curious why mainstream conservatives still back Trump, especially when they have a conservative option on Joe Biden. Truth about the US is we never had a "progressive" president aside from maybe FDR. Does matter if a Dem or Rep is president, conservatives really do win either way. That considered, why do 40 percent still unflinchingly support him?

Reads like Always Be Closing. I'm not buying.

[DMC]

Versus getting or spreading a virus? Yes


You're just going to insist you won and move on.:lol

:lol what do you think he said about it?

I asked him if he did it out of fear punishment and he said yes.

If you claim it was something else, tell me what it was.

You omitted the comparative portion of his response because you are dishonest.

Given the two choices, he'd pick the latter. That's the honest view. People who intentionally omit critical information to try to shift narrative are liars.

[boutons_deux]

Georgia governor files lawsuit to ‘restrain’ Atlanta mayor from talking about face masks

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/georgia-governor-files-lawsuit-to-restrain-atlanta-mayor-from-talking-about-face-masks/

[ChumpDumper]

You omitted the comparative portion of his response because you are dishonest.

Given the two choices, he'd pick the latter. That's the honest view. People who intentionally omit critical information to try to shift narrative are liars.What's the lie?

He said he was wearing the mask out of fear of punishment.

He thinks it has a negligible effect on the spread of the virus so that isn't a reason he wears the mask.

The reason he wears the mask is he's afraid of the punishment if he doesn't.

No lie.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC, when will you stop wearing the mask?

[Blake]

So you think middle class housewives are a large portion of the GOP voter base? I'd bet most "karens" don't vote. They also don't read. They have no idea about science or government, just want to party with their bitches and do their Pinterest shit. Being told to wear a mask and cover up that expensive botox is offensive. It's not representative of the right just as antifa purple haired fat lesbians aren't representative of the left.

DMC story time

[ChumpDumper]

DMC story time:lmao narrative boy is a hit with the ladies

[DMC]

DMC, when will you stop wearing the mask?

I'm not wearing one now. I'll wear one when I go into public. I'll stop wearing one when those around me do so.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not wearing one now. I'll wear one when I go into public. I'll stop wearing one when those around me do so.Those around you?

In the family?

Workplace?

In public?

What's your threshold?

[DMC]

What's the lie?

He said he was wearing the mask out of fear of punishment.

He thinks it has a negligible effect on the spread of the virus so that isn't a reason he wears the mask.

The reason he wears the mask is he's afraid of the punishment if he doesn't.

No lie.

FALLACIES OF OMISSION: These errors occur because the logician leaves out necessary material in an argument or misdirects others from missing information. ... This fallacy is closely related to hasty generalization, but the term usually implies deliberate deception rather than an accidental logical error.

[Blake]

ooh Blake with the Christian angle - out of nowhere. Totally unexpected.

"WINKELMAN, AZ (3TV/CBS 5) -- A rural community in Eastern Arizona is mourning the loss of a school teacher who died after testing positive for COVID-19. Kimberley Byrd shared a classroom with two other teachers at Leonor Hambly K-8 in June..........

If three adults that were diligent as we were could get sick, how can we have children in a classroom?” asks Skilling.

Kimberley’s family says her faith was strong. It’s helping them get through this tragedy. “Put your armor on. That’s what she would always say,” says Luke. “That comes from the bible, from Ephesians. Put on the full armor of God, so when the day of evil comes, you can stand your ground.”

https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/arizona-teachers-share-classroom-one-dies-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19/article_3cc46180-c309-11ea-8858-7b5010982d70.html

[Blake]

ooh Blake with the Christian angle - out of nowhere. Totally unexpected.

"WINKELMAN, AZ (3TV/CBS 5) -- A rural community in Eastern Arizona is mourning the loss of a school teacher who died after testing positive for COVID-19. Kimberley Byrd shared a classroom with two other teachers at Leonor Hambly K-8 in June..........

If three adults that were diligent as we were could get sick, how can we have children in a classroom?” asks Skilling.

Kimberley’s family says her faith was strong. It’s helping them get through this tragedy. “Put your armor on. That’s what she would always say,” says Luke. “That comes from the bible, from Ephesians. Put on the full armor of God, so when the day of evil comes, you can stand your ground.”

https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/arizona-teachers-share-classroom-one-dies-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19/article_3cc46180-c309-11ea-8858-7b5010982d70.html

[ChumpDumper]

FALLACIES OF OMISSION: These errors occur because the logician leaves out necessary material in an argument or misdirects others from missing information. ... This fallacy is closely related to hasty generalization, but the term usually implies deliberate deception rather than an accidental logical error.What's the deception?

He said the reason he wears the mask is because he's afraid of being punished.

Nothing else is necessary since nothing else is a reason for his wearing the mask.

[DMC]

Those around you?

In the family?

Workplace?

In public?

What's your threshold?

Why are you so interested in this? When those around me (around me) stop wearing them, so will I. Make that anywhere you wish.

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you so interested in this? When those around me (around me) stop wearing them, so will I. Make that anywhere you wish.It's not my wish.

I'm asking which people are determining your behavior.

Which people will be determining your future behavior not wearing the mask?

[DMC]

What's the deception?

He said the reason he wears the mask is because he's afraid of being punished.

Nothing else is necessary since nothing else is a reason for his wearing the mask.

You already know the answer, so does everyone else. Play alone in the corner.

[ChumpDumper]

You already know the answer, so does everyone else. It's very clear there is no deception.

[Blake]

"The July 4 article on the Texas GOP convention set for July 16-18 in Houston provides a heads-up alert for medical personnel.

If attitudes like those of Leslie Thomas prevail, by mid-August there will be more COVID-19 hospitalizations that could be traced to the convention. Thomas glibly claimed: "I think we'll be safe ... many of us are Christians. We'll put on the armor of God.".......

https://www.statesman.com/opinion/20200711/letters-to-editor-july-11-2020

[DMC]

It's not my wish.

I'm asking which people are determining your behavior.

Which people will be determining your future behavior not wearing the mask?

You want their names?

[DMC]

"The July 4 article on the Texas GOP convention set for July 16-18 in Houston provides a heads-up alert for medical personnel.

If attitudes like those of Leslie Thomas prevail, by mid-August there will be more COVID-19 hospitalizations that could be traced to the convention. Thomas glibly claimed: "I think we'll be safe ... many of us are Christians. We'll put on the armor of God.".......

https://www.statesman.com/opinion/20200711/letters-to-editor-july-11-2020

10's of thousands rioting is safe. 1 person delusional about divine protection - extinction level event incoming

[ChumpDumper]

You want their names?No.

Those around you?

In the family?

Workplace?

In public?

What's your threshold?

[Blake]

Original text:

"This is a convention that Trump wants,” said Leslie Thomas, representing Senate District 23 on the executive committee, which is made up of two members from each of the state’s 31 Senate districts.. “Like it or not, Texas is the Republican state. We bear that. So we need to stand our ground.”

“Our forefathers were called on to do much more than wear a mask and go to Houston and take some votes,” she said. “I think we’ll be safe. I think many of us are Christians. We’ll put on the armor of God, and we’ll go do our duty and set the tone for the rest of the states, and we’ll set the tone for the national convention. I think we need to stay strong.”

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200702/patrick-in-person-gop-convention-in-houston-may-be-bad-idea-but-hersquoll-be-there

[DMC]

No.

All. Anywhere I am, if people are wearing masks so will I. If people are not wearing masks, neither will I. If masks are required I will comply. If they are not required but people are wearing them anyhow, so will I. If it's 50/50, I will still wear one until such time as I feel others around me are comfortable with me not wearing one and it's legal to not wear one. Legality is out of respect for law - laws are worthless if you don't follow them.

[Blake]

10's of thousands rioting is safe. 1 person delusional about divine protection - extinction level event incoming

Red herring

[DMC]

Red herring

No, your creepy focus on Christianity is on par with TGY's focus on Jews. You're uber concerned about the penny, totally apathetic to the pound.

"it's not about the nail" -Blake

[Spurtacular]

Original text:

"This is a convention that Trump wants,” said Leslie Thomas, representing Senate District 23 on the executive committee, which is made up of two members from each of the state’s 31 Senate districts.. “Like it or not, Texas is the Republican state. We bear that. So we need to stand our ground.”

“Our forefathers were called on to do much more than wear a mask and go to Houston and take some votes,” she said. “I think we’ll be safe. I think many of us are Christians. We’ll put on the armor of God, and we’ll go do our duty and set the tone for the rest of the states, and we’ll set the tone for the national convention. I think we need to stay strong.”

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200702/patrick-in-person-gop-convention-in-houston-may-be-bad-idea-but-hersquoll-be-there

You mad they're not putting on the face diaper armor of weak men and balling up in cuckoons?

[Blake]

No, your creepy focus on Christianity is on par with TGY's focus on Jews. You're uber concerned about the penny, totally apathetic to the pound.

"it's not about the nail" -Blake

No, I made a quick crack about the evangelicals wearing god armor and your going off the rails with tu quoques and red herrings.

The right bowing down and catering to evangelicals is what's creepy, tbh. If you disagree you haven't been paying attention.

[ChumpDumper]

You mad they're not putting on the face diaper armor of a cuckold?Do you wear a mask in public?

[baseline bum]

"WINKELMAN, AZ (3TV/CBS 5) -- A rural community in Eastern Arizona is mourning the loss of a school teacher who died after testing positive for COVID-19. Kimberley Byrd shared a classroom with two other teachers at Leonor Hambly K-8 in June..........

If three adults that were diligent as we were could get sick, how can we have children in a classroom?” asks Skilling.

Kimberley’s family says her faith was strong. It’s helping them get through this tragedy. “Put your armor on. That’s what she would always say,” says Luke. “That comes from the bible, from Ephesians. Put on the full armor of God, so when the day of evil comes, you can stand your ground.”

https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/arizona-teachers-share-classroom-one-dies-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19/article_3cc46180-c309-11ea-8858-7b5010982d70.html

Lies, I heard she died in a motorcycle accident.

[Blake]

You mad they're not putting on the face diaper armor of weak men and balling up in cuckoons?

Yes I'm mad they're not wearing masks you fucking moron

[Spurtacular]

No, I made a quick crack about the evangelicals wearing god armor and your going off the rails with tu quoques and red herrings.

The right bowing down and catering to evangelicals is what's creepy, tbh. If you disagree you haven't been paying attention.

You really hate your fellow parishioners. Did Jesus make you a cuckold?

[Blake]

Lies, I heard she died in a motorcycle accident.

Deep state

[Spurtacular]

Yes I'm mad they're not wearing masks you fucking moron

Cos you might catch a sniffle?

How overweight are you from your years of McDonalds consumption?

[Blake]

Cos you might catch a sniffle?

How overweight are you from your years of McDonalds consumption?

You have plenty it toy threads to play in. Let the adults have this thread

[ChumpDumper]

Cos you might catch a sniffle?

How overweight are you from your years of McDonalds consumption?Predictable post.

[Spurtacular]

You have plenty it toy threads to play in. Let the adults have this thread

You might be the world's biggest pussy. That AZ family thread you posted reads like an onion article.

You sit at the cuckies table.

:lmao Dat self awareness.

[ChumpDumper]

You might be the world's biggest pussy. That AZ family thread you posted reads like an onion article.

You sit at the cuckies table.

:lmao Dat self awareness.Predictable post.

You're going to post some more predictable stuff now.

[DarrinS]

midnightpulp,

What do you make of what this guy is saying?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUOFeVIrOPg

[DMC]

midnightpulp,

What do you make of what this guy is saying?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUOFeVIrOPg

det master race tbh

[ducks]

Top health officials have changed their minds about face masks

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/health/face-masks-us-guidance/index.html

[RandomGuy]

Florida and Georgia were supposed to be “inevitable”, what happened?

There are no ICU beds available at 49 Florida hospitals
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-07-19-20-intl/h_4568646d74f57c7a13f0215b05bb0054

[RandomGuy]

Top health officials have changed their minds about face masks

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/health/face-masks-us-guidance/index.html


Now, many are saying we must wear masks if we want to protect the economy, reopen more schools and save tens of thousands of lives.

I am guessing you didn't actually read past the headline and thought it is them saying that masks aren't necessary.

:lol ducks

[RandomGuy]

cuck

:lmao cuck tourettes.

[tholdren]

80 years old. Two of the 95 plus percent that will survive and have relatively no symptoms

He said his wife had no COVID-19 symptoms, while Nicklaus had a sore throat and a cough. Nicklaus said they were home in North Palm Beach, Florida, from March 13 "until we were done with it" on about April 20.

"It didn't last very long, and we were very, very fortunate, very lucky," Nicklaus said. "Barbara and I are both of the age, both of us 80 years old, that is an at-risk age. Our hearts go out to the people who did lose their lives and their families. We were just a couple of the lucky ones."

[tholdren]

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-first-emergency-authorization-sample-pooling-diagnostic


Chumpdump midnightpulp trying to let this slip under rug. Baseline bum doesn't even know what this means. Blake will say this is all trumps fault, and random guy will talk about every hospital but only in America being over capacity.


Lol /thread

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-first-emergency-authorization-sample-pooling-diagnostic


Chumpdump midnightpulp trying to let this slip under rug. Baseline bum doesn't even know what this means. Blake will say this is all trumps fault, and random guy will talk about every hospital but only in America being over capacity.


Lol /threadIt doesn't end the thread at all.

:lol you just want to cover up your failure.

[tholdren]

It doesn't end the thread at all.

:lol you just want to cover up your failure.

Never been wrong

[ChumpDumper]

Never been wrongWrong.

[tholdren]

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-first-emergency-authorization-sample-pooling-diagnostic


Chumpdump midnightpulp trying to let this slip under rug. Baseline bum doesn't even know what this means. Blake will say this is all trumps fault, and random guy will talk about every hospital but only in America being over capacity.


Lol /thread

Chumpdump doesn't even understand this. Loloolol

[DarrinS]

Wrong.

Why don't you use ignore feature? I did

[tholdren]

Because he knows I'm right about everything. Can't ignore the factZ

[ChumpDumper]

Because he knows I'm right about everything.Wrong.

[Blake]

80 years old. Two of the 95 plus percent that will survive and have relatively no symptoms

He said his wife had no COVID-19 symptoms, while Nicklaus had a sore throat and a cough. Nicklaus said they were home in North Palm Beach, Florida, from March 13 "until we were done with it" on about April 20.

"It didn't last very long, and we were very, very fortunate, very lucky," Nicklaus said. "Barbara and I are both of the age, both of us 80 years old, that is an at-risk age. Our hearts go out to the people who did lose their lives and their families. We were just a couple of the lucky ones."

Gossip

[Blake]

Because he knows I'm right about everything. Can't ignore the factZ

Lie

[tholdren]

Gossip

Bump

[Blake]

Gossip

Bump

[midnightpulp]

midnightpulp,

What do you make of what this guy is saying?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUOFeVIrOPg

Read the write up.


Friston referred to some kind of “immunological dark matter” as the only plausible explanation for the huge disparity in results between countries in an interview with the Guardian last weekend.

Highly speculative.


His models suggest that the stark difference between outcomes in the UK and Germany, for example, is not primarily an effect of different government actions (such as better testing and earlier lockdowns) but is better explained by intrinsic differences between the populations that make the “susceptible population” in Germany — the group that is vulnerable to Covid-19 — much smaller than in the UK.

This is wrong. UK went head on into a full herd immunity strategy early on, with Boris Johnson even endorsing to go out to the pubs and socialize. Germany's outcome is precisely an effect of better testing and cautious social distancing. They were testing more people than any other Western country at the beginning. Germany also has the highest beds per capita in Europe, 4x higher than that of the UK.

https://www.ft.com/content/d979c0e9-4806-4852-a49a-bbffa9cecfe6

And I'm certain social factors play a role here, too. UK probably has the most famous pub culture in the world, with bars packed shoulder-to-shoulder. I don't think Germany's pub culture is as prevalent. Not to mention the UK's mass transit system, which is probably the busiest in the western world. Also, let's look at comparative overweight/obesity rates.


Data released by the World Health Organisation in 2014 showed that while an issue of growing concern, within the European Union, Germany had incidence of overweight and obese adults as a percentage of the total population at 54.8% as in comparison with France at 60.7%, Spain at 60.9% or the United Kingdom at 63.4%.

There is zero evidence Germans have some magic "immunological dark matter" that makes them more resistant to infection. Now might they be more resistant to severe outcomes than the UK? Sure, since the UK is an unhealthier country.


As he told me in our interview, even within the UK, the numbers point to the same thing: that the “effective susceptible population” was never 100%, and was at most 50% and probably more like only 20% of the population.

What's this even mean? Susceptible to infection or susceptible to severe outcomes? He doesn't define what susceptible means, so any conclusion here is vague. If he means 80 percent of the population won't wind up in the ICU, we already know that. That said, this interview took place over a month ago and we're finding out that "mild" cases can have long term effects.


Another factor to consider is that some of the symptoms and health issues caused by the virus may not be apparent until later. Some individuals are discovering complications as long as two months after they’ve had SARS-CoV-2. CNN anchor Richard Quest says in an article on the site that he’s still discovering areas of damage, including a newfound level of clumsiness.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/506752-mild-cases-of-coronavirus-may-not-be-as-mild-as

This is the problem here:


Professor Karl Friston, like Michael Levitt, is a statistician not a virologist; his expertise is in understanding complex and dynamic biological processes by representing them in mathematical models.

We have too many experts outside of virologists, immunologists, and epidemiologists suffering from ultracrepidarianism (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ultracrepidarianism) and trying to make a name for themselves by being contrarian to the consensus. I'm not trying to appeal to authority, but this isn't his field. Michael Levitt broke the mold early on when articles about him predicting Wuhan's outbreak went viral and thus put a "Nobel Prize winner" in the lockdown skeptic's corner. Dig deeper and Levitt's prediction wasn't at all prescient. He simply kept changing it.

1245444294787268608

Levitt keeps doubling down on his claim that the virus has a "natural curve" regardless of what mitigation factors a community employs, of course his argument being that people are just naturally immune. I don't buy that because of all the instances of where 60-70 percent of a population got infected, whether it was a prison, naval ship, or New York borough. What is most likely happening in these instances where the virus starts receding at 20 percent infected or whatever is a result of social behavior, not a result of some immunological "dark matter." People see reports of the virus ravaging their community and they stay home, go out less, wear masks, etc. And that small reduction in R0 pays dividends. Exponential decay is just as impactful as exponential growth.

[DMC]

Mid you call it highly speculative then spend the rest of your response speculating. You used the term "magical" as if anyone ever claimed this missing link (dark matter) is supernatural. Tagging it with "magical" just creates a strawman and shows you dismissed it right away, and even made a bit of folly of it.

That said, I agree that many scientists are using this opportunity to advertise themselves. You can see this guy reveling in the attention, he reminds me of the guy from The Fringe, not nearly as bright.

[midnightpulp]

Mid you call it highly speculative then spend the rest of your response speculating. You used the term "magical" as if anyone ever claimed this missing link (dark matter) is supernatural. Tagging it with "magical" just creates a strawman and shows you dismissed it right away, and even made a bit of folly of it.

That said, I agree that many scientists are using this opportunity to advertise themselves. You can see this guy reveling in the attention, he reminds me of the guy from The Fringe, not nearly as bright.

If there's no evidence for something, it should be dismissed right away. He explains away the UK vs German differences with it and doesn't acknowledge that Germany has more hospital beds, less obesity, and more robust testing. No, none of that played a role. Germans are more immune than the British because reasons.

[Winehole23]

(Coughs in *cradle to grave healthcare*)

[DarrinS]

Read the write up.



Highly speculative.



This is wrong. UK went head on into a full herd immunity strategy early on, with Boris Johnson even endorsing to go out to the pubs and socialize. Germany's outcome is precisely an effect of better testing and cautious social distancing. They were testing more people than any other Western country at the beginning. Germany also has the highest beds per capita in Europe, 4x higher than that of the UK.

https://www.ft.com/content/d979c0e9-4806-4852-a49a-bbffa9cecfe6

And I'm certain social factors play a role here, too. UK probably has the most famous pub culture in the world, with bars packed shoulder-to-shoulder. I don't think Germany's pub culture is as prevalent. Not to mention the UK's mass transit system, which is probably the busiest in the western world. Also, let's look at comparative overweight/obesity rates.



There is zero evidence Germans have some magic "immunological dark matter" that makes them more resistant to infection. Now might they be more resistant to severe outcomes than the UK? Sure, since the UK is an unhealthier country.



What's this even mean? Susceptible to infection or susceptible to severe outcomes? He doesn't define what susceptible means, so any conclusion here is vague. If he means 80 percent of the population won't wind up in the ICU, we already know that. That said, this interview took place over a month ago and we're finding out that "mild" cases can have long term effects.



https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/506752-mild-cases-of-coronavirus-may-not-be-as-mild-as

This is the problem here:



We have too many experts outside of virologists, immunologists, and epidemiologists suffering from ultracrepidarianism (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ultracrepidarianism) and trying to make a name for themselves by being contrarian to the consensus. I'm not trying to appeal to authority, but this isn't his field. Michael Levitt broke the mold early on when articles about him predicting Wuhan's outbreak went viral and thus put a "Nobel Prize winner" in the lockdown skeptic's corner. Dig deeper and Levitt's prediction wasn't at all prescient. He simply kept changing it.

1245444294787268608

Levitt keeps doubling down on his claim that the virus has a "natural curve" regardless of what mitigation factors a community employs, of course his argument being that people are just naturally immune. I don't buy that because of all the instances of where 60-70 percent of a population got infected, whether it was a prison, naval ship, or New York borough. What is most likely happening in these instances where the virus starts receding at 20 percent infected or whatever is a result of social behavior, not a result of some immunological "dark matter." People see reports of the virus ravaging their community and they stay home, go out less, wear masks, etc. And that small reduction in R0 pays dividends. Exponential decay is just as impactful as exponential growth.


Our immunology is pretty ancient. Could it be that past encounters with similar viruses are protecting some populations?

[DarrinS]

In San Antonio, caucasians are 30% of the population, but only 17% of cases.

[DarrinS]

What, then, is driving case numbers and deaths down, particularly in hard-hit areas?

[midnightpulp]

In San Antonio, caucasians are 30% of the population, but only 17% of cases.

Latinos work more frontline jobs, live in smaller spaces with more family members, are more multigenerational. I would guess the average Latino in Texas is fatter than the average white. Yep:

https://i.imgur.com/v2TYezi.png

I'm agnostic on the Vitamin D theory until we test that theory.

[DarrinS]

Latinos work more frontline jobs, live in smaller spaces with more family members, are more multigenerational. I would guess the average Latino in Texas is fatter than the average white. Yep:

https://i.imgur.com/v2TYezi.png

I'm agnostic on the Vitamin D theory until we test that theory.


What you're saying makes sense. I'm just curious why some hard-hit places are doing very good now?

[Blake]

What you're saying makes sense. I'm just curious why some hard-hit places are doing very good now?

Like what

[DarrinS]

Maybe some countries are super badass at handling epidemics, or maybe something else is going on?

[DarrinS]

Like what

I don't know.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe some countries are super badass at handling epidemics, or maybe something else is going on?Well, we're terrible at it. So there's that.

[DarrinS]

What makes the curve come down?

[Blake]

I don't know.

No, what hard hit places are you talking about

[midnightpulp]

What makes the curve come down?

Mitigation.

[ChumpDumper]

Mitigation.Right? I don't see how that isn't the biggest factor in almost every instance of flattening from big numbers.

[DMC]

If there's no evidence for something, it should be dismissed right away. He explains away the UK vs German differences with it and doesn't acknowledge that Germany has more hospital beds, less obesity, and more robust testing. No, none of that played a role. Germans are more immune than the British because reasons.

He hem haws around with nothing much but if there's a significant asymptomatic response to COVID from certain demographics, that should be explored, and if they are simply immune that is extremely important. I wouldn't call it magic, if it exists there's a reason and should be investigated.

[DMC]

Latinos work more frontline jobs, live in smaller spaces with more family members, are more multigenerational. I would guess the average Latino in Texas is fatter than the average white. Yep:

https://i.imgur.com/v2TYezi.png

I'm agnostic on the Vitamin D theory until we test that theory.

:lol fat ass Mexicans

[midnightpulp]

Right? I don't see how that isn't the biggest factor in almost every instance of flattening from big numbers.

I think Darrin desperately wants a magic bullet solution that will enable us to ramp up back to normal ASAP. For him it's herd immunity obviously since in that situation, you don't need to worry about social distancing anymore, wearing masks, etc. The virus is effectively snuffed out. Herd immunity is the quick and dirty fix, while mitigation actually takes collective effort.

[midnightpulp]

He hem haws around with nothing much but if there's a significant asymptomatic response to COVID from certain demographics, that should be explored, and if they are simply immune that is extremely important. I wouldn't call it magic, if it exists there's a reason and should be investigated.

That's different than being immune. This guy was suggesting some people will never get infected due to a natural immunity. Do I think some might have natural immunity? Sure. Do I think enough have it where the virus will die out at 20 percent prevalence without mitigation? No.

[DMC]

That's different than being immune. This guy was suggesting some people will never get infected due to a natural immunity. Do I think some might have natural immunity? Sure. Do I think enough have it where the virus will die out at 20 percent prevalence without mitigation? No.

I said that in the very next sentence that you quoted.

[DMC]

I think Darrin desperately wants a magic bullet solution that will enable us to ramp up back to normal ASAP. For him it's herd immunity obviously since in that situation, you don't need to worry about social distancing anymore, wearing masks, etc. The virus is effectively snuffed out. Herd immunity is the quick and dirty fix, while mitigation actually takes collective effort.

Without a vaccine there is no mitigation, just delaying the inevitable. The ifr isn't going to go away because you waited longer to get it.

[midnightpulp]

Without a vaccine there is no mitigation, just delaying the inevitable. The ifr isn't going to go away because you waited longer to get it.

No, you can lower the herd immunity threshold with mitigation.


But on a larger scale, heterogeneity typically lowers the herd immunity threshold. At first the virus infects people who are more susceptible and spreads quickly. But to keep spreading, the virus has to move on to people who are less susceptible. This makes it harder for the virus to spread, so the epidemic grows more slowly than you might have anticipated based on its initial rate of growth.

How do you make yourself or a community less susceptible (in getting infected not in experiencing critical outcomes)? Mitigation. Mask wearing, social distancing, avoid crowded indoor spaces, etc. If the virus can't find you, it can't infect you.

[tholdren]

No, you can lower the herd immunity threshold with mitigation.



How do you make yourself or a community less susceptible (in getting infected not in experiencing critical outcomes)? Mitigation. Mask wearing, social distancing, avoid crowded indoor spaces, etc. If the virus can't find you, it can't infect you.

not with lockdowns


Welp you argued into oblivion again

[midnightpulp]

not with lockdowns


Welp you argued into oblivion again

If the population is responsible and isn't fat, I agree that you can do it without lockdowns. The US population, however, is irresponsible and very, very, very fat.

[DMC]

No, you can lower the herd immunity threshold with mitigation.



How do you make yourself or a community less susceptible (in getting infected not in experiencing critical outcomes)? Mitigation. Mask wearing, social distancing, avoid crowded indoor spaces, etc. If the virus can't find you, it can't infect you.
Herd immunity means kill everyone who cannot make it through the filter. Is that what you call mitigation? Maybe ask them. Do you think the virus is leaving? To you expect eternal lockdown? How do you get herd immunity without people being infected?

[tholdren]

If the population is responsible and isn't fat, I agree that you can do it without lockdowns. The US population, however, is irresponsible and very, very, very fat.
So then what you are saying is that many Americans have chosen to live a lifestyle of obesity and therefore the ones who did not live that way should have their lives ruined to allow those people to continue living their lifestyle?

Or that covid is only dangerous to a certain demo?

[midnightpulp]

Herd immunity means kill everyone who cannot make it through the filter. Is that what you call mitigation? Maybe ask them. Do you think the virus is leaving? To you expect eternal lockdown? How do you get herd immunity without people being infected?

It's about lowering the threshold and the R0 factor. If the virus burns through, say, 20 percent of the pop, but if the remaining 80 percent wearing masks, stay within their social circles, avoid crowded spaces, and social distance, the virus will find fewer and fewer people to infect and die out. Sure, it can be reintroduced by an outsider, but a comprehensive testing and tracing program can nip that in the bud. This happened with SARS-1. You didn't need herd immunity. It just died out because it had trouble finding new hosts due to the mitigation efforts in those countries (SARS-1 is what prompted Asian countries to wear masks all the time outside).

No eternal lockdown. There's much progress being made on a vaccine.

[tholdren]

It's about lowering the threshold and the R0 factor. If the virus burns through, say, 20 percent of the pop, but if the remaining 80 percent wearing masks, stay within their social circles, avoid crowded spaces, and social distance, the virus will find fewer and fewer people to infect and die out. Sure, it can be reintroduced by an outsider, but a comprehensive testing and tracing program can nip that in the bud. This happened with SARS-1. You didn't need herd immunity. It just died out because it had trouble finding new hosts due to the mitigation efforts in those countries (SARS-1 is what prompted Asian countries to wear masks all the time outside).

No eternal lockdown. There's much progress being made on a vaccine.

why did it die out in nordic countries with no masks in all and no lockdown in Sweden

[midnightpulp]

So then what you are saying is that many Americans have chosen to live a lifestyle of obesity and therefore the ones who did not live that way should have their lives ruined to allow those people to continue living their lifestyle?

Or that covid is only dangerous to a certain demo?

What you are saying is you want people to have their lives ruined by people choosing to be irresponsible at the expense of the responsible. We could have your open economy but too many people don't want to wear masks or social distance, so the responsible mask wearing people who observe social distancing have the chance of getting infected by the irresponsible. An open economy can't function with this disorder. Everyone has to be on board.

As for the fat people, like 40 percent of the country is obese. They are your business owners, workers, etc, so if we just shelter them, there won't be much of an "economy" to return to. They'll all be at home and not at work or out consuming.

And yes, while they might be fat, they're your fellow countrymen. You should want to protect them. In your precious Sweden, only 13 percent of the country is obese, and they're responsible, which is why they get to have a somewhat open economy (not everything was allowed or open during their peak). This country is filled with children and deserves to be treated as such.

[midnightpulp]

why did it die out in nordic countries with no masks in all and no lockdown in Sweden

Denmark and Norway locked down. Sweden reduced their mobility by 35%, and they have some things locked down. Nordic countries also have more single person households and they are just simply more responsible.

[tholdren]

Denmark and Norway locked down. Sweden reduced their mobility by 35%, and they have some things locked down. Nordic countries also have more single person households and they are just simply more responsible.
Lolololol

No masks.

Sweden did not lock down

You forgot about South Dakota

And you're just rambling.

[midnightpulp]

Lolololol

No masks.

Sweden did not lock down

You forgot about South Dakota

And you're just rambling.

https://i.imgur.com/o1dMhGn.png

[tholdren]

https://i.imgur.com/o1dMhGn.png

Lolololol font worry about lives ruined or lockdown deaths. You logic be bad

[midnightpulp]

Lolololol font worry about lives ruined or lockdown deaths. You logic be bad

Stats on the ruined lives in Hawaii? Post them.

[Winehole23]

I read from the Book of Job.

The LORD GOD had a bet with the devil. *Do anything you want to my servant Job, only don't kill him. He will not renounce me.*

[Blake]

Without a vaccine there is no mitigation, just delaying the inevitable. The ifr isn't going to go away because you waited longer to get it.

Well if all these deaths are inevitable let's open 'er all back up and get it over with!

[Blake]

It's about lowering the threshold and the R0 factor. If the virus burns through, say, 20 percent of the pop, but if the remaining 80 percent wearing masks, stay within their social circles, avoid crowded spaces, and social distance, the virus will find fewer and fewer people to infect and die out. Sure, it can be reintroduced by an outsider, but a comprehensive testing and tracing program can nip that in the bud. This happened with SARS-1. You didn't need herd immunity. It just died out because it had trouble finding new hosts due to the mitigation efforts in those countries (SARS-1 is what prompted Asian countries to wear masks all the time outside).

No eternal lockdown. There's much progress being made on a vaccine.

You also don't crash the hospital system

[boutons_deux]

With 10Ms of Americans not wearing masks, not social distancing,

the pandemic will continue indefinitely, not "die out"

Dr Birx' "embers"? G M A F B

===============

A Coronavirus Vaccine Won’t Work if People Don’t Take It

We need to start convincing skeptics now.

half (http://www.apnorc.org/projects/Pages/Expectations-for-a-COVID-19-Vaccine.aspx) to three-quarters (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/7-in-10-americans-would-be-likely-to-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine-a-post-abc-poll-finds/2020/06/01/4d1f8f68-a429-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html) of Americans intend to get the vaccine if one becomes available —

woefully short of what we’ll need to protect our communities.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/opinion/sunday/coronavirus-vaccine-skepticism.html

... meaning 1/4 to 1/2 of Americans refuse to be vaccinated

[ElNono]

Full Text of US State Department Cables Finally Released, Showing Safety In Chinese Lab

On April 7th, a Trump campaign advisor told the Los Angeles Times "One way we still win this election is by turning it into a referendum on China (https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/coronavirus-pandemic-us-china-new-cold-war)." Within weeks the Washington Post noted "reports that the Trump administration has sought to pressure U.S. intelligence agencies (https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/No-evidence-that-deadly-bat-virus-escaped-Wuhan-15238789.php) to search for proof of a link between the Wuhan lab and the covid-19 outbreak." And that same month selected portions of two diplomatic cables from 2018 were leaked to the Washington Post, and published in a controversial "opinion piece (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5)."

The Post requested "expedited processing" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/washington-post-sues-state-department-coronavirus-cables-wuhan/2020/04/25/2a5d89d0-8719-11ea-9728-c74380d9d410_story.html) for the release of the complete text of both cables — a routine request which was nevertheless denied. (Though a virologist at Columbia University shared a rebuttal in memes (https://mobile.twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1250480195045175296).) The complete text of the cables has now been released — and the additional information undercuts the story line that the lab — which was located a full nine miles from the market at the center of the outbreak — was anything less than safe. Though the Post's opinion piece had highlighted a clause about "a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory" — the diplomats had actually been concerned instead that the shortage would interfere with the lab's productivity and utilization — and not it's safety.

And there was apparently more information in the cable which was withheld (https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-the-state-department-cable-that-launched-claims-that-coronavirus-escaped-from-chinese-lab/2b80aef2-f728-4c36-8875-3bf6aae1d272/?itid=lk_interstitial_manual_12). CNN reports:

The January 2018 cable, obtained by the Washington Post after a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, noted that ties between the WIV and the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston could help alleviate the shortage and that, reportedly, the US-based institution was training technicians to work at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/politics/state-department-cable-coronavirus-chinese-lab/index.html) (WIV). A second cable about the WIV from April 2018 cited a French official who said that "French experts have provided guidance and biosafety training to the lab, which will continue...."

Back in April a senior policy fellow at the Center for Global Development surmised the misleading excerpts from the cables had come from "an administration official with an obvious axe to grind (https://mobile.twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1250475984115163137)." And this weekend the Columbia University virologist reacted to what the cable's full text revealed about the high safety standards (https://mobile.twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/1284893344930258944) at the Wuhan Institute of Virology:

"This cable says NOTHING about concerns with the work that was being done at WIV. The supposedly worrisome work was actually presented as a success story in a lab that was coming online more slowly than everyone — including the US authors of the cable — expected or hoped."

[boutons_deux]

Repugs LIED the USA into Iraq

and

Repugs ARE lying about the pandemic

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Growing evidence of covid antibodies waning in the blood quickly. More studies showing by 2-3 months they are gone.

[TSA]

Who runs the HHS? A Trump lackey.

You're a supposed Libertarian, so I have zero clue why you'd be in favor of the centralization of the data here that the public won't have access to?

In that official "Ministry of Truth" release, I see nothing about the data remaining open to the public. And again, the CDC's dashboard says:



This is indefensible.

https://twitter.com/charlesornstein/status/1285298011762024451

[RandomGuy]

Herd immunity means kill everyone who cannot make it through the filter. Is that what you call mitigation? Maybe ask them. Do you think the virus is leaving? To you expect eternal lockdown? How do you get herd immunity without people being infected?

How do you know herd immunity is even possible with this?

It is possible without vaccine?

What % need to have been infected for that?

[tholdren]

How do you know herd immunity is even possible with this?

It is possible without vaccine?

What % need to have been infected for that?

Lol how do you know Vax is what you need. Lolollol

[Blake]

How do you know herd immunity is even possible with this?

It is possible without vaccine?

What % need to have been infected for that?

DEATH IS INEVITABLE MIGHT AS WELL SPEED IT UP

[tholdren]

DEATH IS INEVITABLE MIGHT AS WELL SPEED IT UP

Hilarious that this is actually your argument.

Hide because of covid

[ElNono]

^ gossip

[DarrinS]

Growing evidence of covid antibodies waning in the blood quickly. More studies showing by 2-3 months they are gone.

People who had recovered from SARS had SARS-specific T-cells 17 years later.

[Blake]

People who had recovered from SARS had SARS-specific T-cells 17 years later.

Dr Darrin

[tholdren]

Dr Darrin

that's correct. Anyone that uses science rather than politics is a dr. Notice none of the doctors are in agreement. Its almost like science

[ElNono]

that's correct. Anyone that uses science rather than politics is a dr. Notice none of the doctors are in agreement. Its almost like science

wrong

[Winehole23]

Three experts discuss Covid-19: How the Virus Gets in and How to Block It: Aerosols, Droplets, Masks, Face Shields, & More
Cio3rh6ta3w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cio3rh6ta3w&feature=youtu.be)

[tholdren]

El nono are all covid cases confirmed through a test?

[baseline bum]

El nono are all covid cases confirmed through a test?

most seem to be confirmed by motorcycle crashes apparently

[tholdren]

most seem to be confirmed by motorcycle crashes apparently

so you interject with an admittance that you dont know how your numbers you are using were calculated?

Saves el nono from answering

[baseline bum]

so you interject with an admittance that you dont know how your numbers you are using were calculated?

Saves el nono from answering

post your conspiracy numbers son

how many non motorcycle deaths from covid?

[tholdren]

post your conspiracy numbers son

how many non motorcycle deaths from covid?

Its not a conspiracy. It's just inaccurate data and inaccurate data interpretation.

[baseline bum]

Its not a conspiracy. It's just inaccurate data and inaccurate data interpretation.

i'll add your conspiracy numbers to the daily death count

[tholdren]

i'll add your conspiracy numbers to the daily death count

So you are lying about the numbers and what i said.

Typical

[baseline bum]

So you are lying about the numbers and what i said.

Typical

Should I start at 10,000 for the tholdren conspiracy count?

[DarrinS]

Cheap tests


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Sv_pS8MgQ

[ElNono]

El nono are all covid cases confirmed through a test?

gossip

[ElNono]

so you interject with an admittance that you dont know how your numbers you are using were calculated?

Saves el nono from answering

wrong

[Blake]

that's correct. Anyone that uses science rather than politics is a dr. Notice none of the doctors are in agreement. Its almost like science

Dr tholderp

[tholdren]

Dr tholderp

Blake saud ny fully opened schools


Lolooolol

[Blake]

Blake saud ny fully opened schools


Lolooolol

Seriously, you have a real problem with lying.

Or reading.

[ChumpDumper]

Blake saud ny fully opened schoolsWrong.

[tholdren]

Seriously, you have a real problem with lying.

Or reading.

loloIololol wrong wrong wrong. Ny schools are opening half time and then capitalizing on the daycares they forced out of business to make their own second schools. You know so school can happen in 2 different locations 5 days a week mixing completely different kids.


Lolooololl

Blake

[boutons_deux]

Widespread PFAS chemical pollution will likely make COVID-19 worse

These common household and industrial chemicals impair immune system function

we have no idea how a potent family of chemicals, called PFAS (per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances), is impacting our risk for COVID-19.

What we do know about PFAS makes this acknowledgement very worrisome.

Because of their unique chemical properties that allow them to repel both oil and water, PFAS are everywhere (https://www.fda.gov/food/chemicals/and-polyfluoroalkyl-substances-pfas), appearing in Teflon frying pans, stain-resistant carpeting, outdoor gear, and fire-fighting foam, to name just a few.

PFAS are potent immunotoxicants (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41370-018-0097-y), meaning they impair immune responses in both humans and animals.

Research tells us PFAS reduce vaccine efficacy and antibody response in humans, at concentrations readily found in our blood.

Infants exposed to high PFAS levels in utero had reduced antibody levels at five years old.

With each doubling of PFAS in the children's blood, the overall antibody response was cut by almost 50%.

Some children were found to have antibody levels at age five that clinically qualified them for further vaccination,

meaning they weren't adequately protected from diphtheria or tetanus,

even though they had already been vaccinated for these diseases as a baby.

"Given that PFAS are toxic to the immune system, exposure to these persistent chemicals may well worsen the consequences of a COVID-19 infection.

Just like recent studies have shown that

areas with more severe air pollution (https://theintercept.com/2020/06/26/coronavirus-toxic-chemicals-pfas-bpa/) have more severe COVID-19 cases and greater mortality,

we should also examine if the same applies to communities with PFAS-contaminated drinking water."

https://www.salon.com/2020/07/19/widespread-pfas-chemical-pollution-will-likely-make-covid-19-worse_partner/ (https://www.salon.com/2020/07/19/widespread-pfas-chemical-pollution-will-likely-make-covid-19-worse_partner/)

[tholdren]

loloIololol wrong wrong wrong. Ny schools are opening half time and then capitalizing on the daycares they forced out of business to make their own second schools. You know so school can happen in 2 different locations 5 days a week mixing completely different kids.


Lolooololl

Blake

Blake

[boutons_deux]

A comprehensive review of COVID-19's effect on organ systems outside the lungs

Now, physicians recognize that the coronavirus can impact organs throughout the body.

review, published in Nature Medicine, also summarized proposed mechanisms behind these wide-ranging systemic effects and provided clinical guidance for physicians.

Beyond the severe respiratory distress now associated with severe COVID-19, the virus also may increase patients'

risk of heart attack, kidney failure and clotting disorders, the physicians report.

Neurological symptoms, including headache, dizziness, fatigue, and loss of smell, may occur in about a third of patients. Patients with severe cases of COVID-19 are also

at risk for strokes caused by blood clots and delirium.

"There's a lot of news about clotting but it's also important to understand that

a substantial proportion of

these patients suffer kidney, heart, and brain damage."

Scientists suspect these various complications may all

stem from the systemic inflammation

that can occur as the immune system attempts to fight off the virus's attack on the body,

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200720/A-comprehensive-review-of-COVID-19s-effect-on-organ-systems-outside-the-lungs.aspx

Systemic inflammation with widespread, and highly variable damage? Sounds just like lupus

[tholdren]

Florida case fatality rate in june less than 1percent.

Winning

[ChumpDumper]

Florida case fatality rate in june less than 1percent. Show your math.

[ElNono]

Florida case fatality rate in june less than 1percent.

Winning


^ gossip

[boutons_deux]

https://i1.wp.com/therivardreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/bonnie_arbittier_bonniearbittier_deborah_martinez_ coronavirus_covid19_cv_death_family_7-17-2020-3.jpg?fit=1200%2C800&ssl=1

[tholdren]

Show your math.

you can even do cfr. 0 skill

[Blake]

loloIololol wrong wrong wrong. Ny schools are opening half time and then capitalizing on the daycares they forced out of business to make their own second schools. You know so school can happen in 2 different locations 5 days a week mixing completely different kids.


Lolooololl

Blake

Yeah I was the one that gave you the link saying they are opening half time.

Weirdo.

[tholdren]

Yeah I was the one that gave you the link saying they are opening half time.

Weirdo.

Lololololllloll

Now youre lying about what you said

[ElNono]

Lololololllloll

Now youre lying about what you said

wrong

[Blake]

Lololololllloll

Now youre lying about what you said


Nowhere in my quote did I say they are "opening fully".

Why are you blatantly lying? Is it desperation?

"New York City public schools are planning a part-time return to classrooms this fall with in-person instruction two or three days a week, officials said Wednesday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-york-city-public-schools-will-reopen-part-time-basis-n1233162


You're a retarded piece of lying shit. To be honest. :tu

Weirdo

[spurraider21]

1285299379746811915

[boutons_deux]

COVID-19 sweeps through Florida mega-retirement Villages community, as residents ignore precautions (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/20/1962380/-COVID-19-sweeps-through-Florida-mega-retirement-Villages-community-as-residents-ignore-precautions)

“You can tell who is a Democrat, who is a Republican by their masks.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/20/1962380/-COVID-19-sweeps-through-Florida-mega-retirement-Villages-community-as-residents-ignore-precautions?utm_campaign=trending

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/Hold2LLC/status/1285590327252983808

https://twitter.com/Hold2LLC/status/1285590330021117953

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/Hold2LLC/status/1285649209736269826

[RandomGuy]

COVID-19 sweeps through Florida mega-retirement Villages community, as residents ignore precautions (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/20/1962380/-COVID-19-sweeps-through-Florida-mega-retirement-Villages-community-as-residents-ignore-precautions)

“You can tell who is a Democrat, who is a Republican by their masks.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/20/1962380/-COVID-19-sweeps-through-Florida-mega-retirement-Villages-community-as-residents-ignore-precautions?utm_campaign=trending

I would say something about Darwin, but these people are past their reproductive stage. Thankfully they aren't past their voting stage.

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/Hold2LLC/status/1285649209736269826

I am going to guess that is not a scientific study on how COVID is transmitted by adolescents, and that means we can expose tens of milions of them and millions of their teachers/staff to a pandemic.

Just a guess.

[TSA]

I am going to guess that is not a scientific study on how COVID is transmitted by adolescents, and that means we can expose tens of milions of them and millions of their teachers/staff to a pandemic.

Just a guess.

Do you realize how stupid you look taking guesses at tweets you can't see? :lol

You guessed completely wrong but I'll provide you anyways.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7147903/

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/145/6/e20200702

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2762130

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31094-1/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR2jcS4HamY1ybFSJoQnyqeB91MNHdTl lxY_zez2-KtHcT9DOMYjuP2dFA4

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2020/07/08/peds.2020-1576

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2020/05/04/peds.2020-0961.full.pdf?&utm_campaign=social&utm_source=custom_alert&utm_medium=pediatrics&utm_content=clinical_feautres_covid&utm_term=5_9_20

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa198/5766430

https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/7/618.abstract

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.21.2000903;?crawler=true

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/apa.15371

https://www.phrp.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/PHRP3022007.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7323087/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7311007/

https://ijponline.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13052-020-00844-1

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa424/5819060

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature06732

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6498/1481.abstract

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20125484v1

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2766113

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2766114

Chop Chop

[RandomGuy]

Do you realize how stupid you look taking guesses at tweets you can't see? :lol

You guessed completely wrong but I'll provide you anyways.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7147903/

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/145/6/e20200702

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2762130

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31094-1/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR2jcS4HamY1ybFSJoQnyqeB91MNHdTl lxY_zez2-KtHcT9DOMYjuP2dFA4

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2020/07/08/peds.2020-1576

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2020/05/04/peds.2020-0961.full.pdf?&utm_campaign=social&utm_source=custom_alert&utm_medium=pediatrics&utm_content=clinical_feautres_covid&utm_term=5_9_20

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa198/5766430

https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/7/618.abstract

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.21.2000903;?crawler=true

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/apa.15371

https://www.phrp.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/PHRP3022007.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7323087/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7311007/

https://ijponline.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13052-020-00844-1

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa424/5819060

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature06732

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6498/1481.abstract

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20125484v1

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2766113

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2766114

Chop Chop

Absolutely none of those links have anything to say about adolescents, and all talk about 10 years and younger. Did the work already on the first batch you posted. I will simply assume this is more of the same.

If any of them did, you would quote it.

You have not proven your case, and I am not doing your work for you, you lazy ass.

You assert that it is safe to open schools. that is all schools. Yet you have yet to show a shred of evidence it is safe for children over ten. Your claim, your burden of proof.

[Trainwreck2100]

Do you realize how stupid you look taking guesses at tweets you can't see? :lol

You guessed completely wrong but I'll provide you anyways.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7147903/

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/145/6/e20200702




From your first two links
From the first

However, these findings must be interpreted with caution because of the high percentage of cases missing data on important characteristics. Because persons with asymptomatic and mild disease, including children, are likely playing a role in transmission and spread of COVID-19 in the community, social distancing and everyday preventive behaviors are recommended for persons of all ages to slow the spread of the virus

from the second


Finally, because the epidemic of COVID-19 is ongoing and rapidly evolving, many children who are affected still remain hospitalized.

The second was a retrospective study which took data from FEBRUARY and the kids were still hospitalized in time of publication, FUCKING JUNE.
Do you read the entire publication or do you just skip to the conclusion?

How many kids need to be hospitalized for 4 months to be considered acceptable casualties TSA

[RandomGuy]

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tsa+IS+AN+ASSHOLE&t=chromentp&atb=v191-1&ia=web

https://reason.com/2018/07/10/nfl-player-slams-tsa-assholes-for-spilli/

https://atheistforums.org/thread-49118.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/zqohh/just_because_an_asshole_tsa_agent_does_something/

https://thomg.blogspot.com/2006/01/tsa-total-spazzes-assholes_17.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/travel/comments/34q1c6/why_are_us_tsas_such_major_assholes/

https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Toilet_Safety_Administration

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/tsa-the-supreme-assholes-of-travel-again.228212/page-3


All these links prove my assertion. Get to work on proving me wrong. chop chop.

:lol

is that how it works?

[RandomGuy]

From your first two links
From the first


from the second



The second was a retrospective study which took data from FEBRUARY and the kids were still hospitalized in time of publication, FUCKING JUNE.
Do you read the entire publication or do you just skip to the conclusion?

How many kids need to be hospitalized for 4 months to be considered acceptable casualties TSA

All of his links talk about "children" which generally refers to 10 and under. When the fact the about 30 million school "children" in the US are over 10 years old is pointed out to him, he doubles down on the links about 10 and under.

The safe bet with his posts is to assume he is being disingenuous and look for how. He always leaves something out, because that is how he lies.

[TSA]

Absolutely none of those links have anything to say about adolescents, and all talk about 10 years and younger. Did the work already on the first batch you posted. I will simply assume this is more of the same.

If any of them did, you would quote it.

You have not proven your case, and I am not doing your work for you, you lazy ass.

You assert that it is safe to open schools. that is all schools. Yet you have yet to show a shred of evidence it is safe for children over ten. Your claim, your burden of proof.

You keep assuming and guessing and keep looking foolish. There is plenty in those links about adolescents. Lumping in 11 year olds with 18 year olds is lazy. And I already addressed the issue at high schools by requiring them to wear masks. Are you now conceding that it is safe to open all schools for children under 10?

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus Infections Much Higher Than Reported Cases in Parts of U.S., Study Shows

Data from antibody tests in 10 different cities and states indicate that

many people with no symptoms may be spreading the virus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/health/coronavirus-infections-us.html

[TSA]

From your first two links
From the first


from the second



The second was a retrospective study which took data from FEBRUARY and the kids were still hospitalized in time of publication, FUCKING JUNE.
Do you read the entire publication or do you just skip to the conclusion?

How many kids need to be hospitalized for 4 months to be considered acceptable casualties TSA

More kids will be hospitalized from the flu. More kids will die from the flu. You accept those casualties every year.

[Trainwreck2100]

More kids will be hospitalized from the flu. More kids will die from the flu. You accept those casualties every year.

so you don't have a number?

[tholdren]

Coronavirus Infections Much Higher Than Reported Cases in Parts of U.S., Study Shows

Data from antibody tests in 10 different cities and states indicate that

many people with no symptoms may be spreading the virus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/health/coronavirus-infections-us.html

Yes this has been the same since December. 95 percent of people will be walking around with a cold. 4 percent will need hospitalization due to age and health. 1 pct will die.


The cdc and the usa have just gone in one big giant circle that will never end. Until a Vax comes out that is 20 pct effective.

/ thread

[TSA]

so you don't have a number?

My acceptable number is less than the flu each year. You and I accept those flu casualties every year, why would less hospitalizations of kids and less deaths of kids be unacceptable?

[Trainwreck2100]

My acceptable number is less than the flu each year. You and I accept those flu casualties every year, why would less hospitalizations of kids and less deaths of kids be unacceptable?

what is it, how many children died from the flu last year?

[ChumpDumper]

Man, TSA really wants to save Trump.

Because he's done so well as president.

[TSA]

what is it, how many children died from the flu last year?

This flu season was especially bad for children, according to CDC. The latest CDC report shows officials reported 170 pediatric deaths associated with the flu as of April 25, with one new pediatric death occurring in the week ending on April 25. The cumulative hospitalization rate for children ages four and under this season was 95.1 per 100,000 people as of the week ending on April 25.

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/05/05/flu-update

How many kids under 17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids under 17 with Covid?

You and I accept those flu casualties every year, why would less hospitalizations of kids and less deaths of kids be unacceptable?

[Trainwreck2100]

This flu season was especially bad for children, according to CDC. The latest CDC report shows officials reported 170 pediatric deaths associated with the flu as of April 25, with one new pediatric death occurring in the week ending on April 25. The cumulative hospitalization rate for children ages four and under this season was 95.1 per 100,000 people as of the week ending on April 25.

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/05/05/flu-update

How many kids under 17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids under 17 with Covid?

You and I accept those flu casualties every year, why would less hospitalizations of kids and less deaths of kids be unacceptable?
how many were babies and non school attending age children that died, how many school attending children died of the flu last year? I would like those numbers. Or are you just going to lump baby deaths into the school age deaths?

[TSA]

how many were babies and non school attending age children that died, how many school attending children died of the flu last year? I would like those numbers. Or are you just going to lump baby deaths into the school age deaths?

211 deaths of 5-17 year olds in 2018-2019.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

You and I accept those flu casualties every year, why would less hospitalizations of kids and less deaths of kids be unacceptable?

[Trainwreck2100]

211 deaths of 5-17 year olds in 2018-2019.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

You and I accept those flu casualties every year, why would less hospitalizations of kids and less deaths of kids be unacceptable?

ok 211 you're good with 211 dead kids, which is fine that's the grim calculus we face, but with a count that small. It's your ass, when you get Threaded for this small ass number

[TSA]

ok 211 you're good with 211 dead kids, which is fine that's the grim calculus we face, but with a count that small. It's your ass, when you get Threaded for this small ass number

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

You and I accept those flu casualties every year, why would less hospitalizations of kids and less deaths of kids be unacceptable?

[Trainwreck2100]

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

You and I accept those flu casualties every year, why would less hospitalizations of kids and less deaths of kids be unacceptable?

211 that's your number

[Blake]

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tsa+IS+AN+ASSHOLE&t=chromentp&atb=v191-1&ia=web

https://reason.com/2018/07/10/nfl-player-slams-tsa-assholes-for-spilli/

https://atheistforums.org/thread-49118.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/zqohh/just_because_an_asshole_tsa_agent_does_something/

https://thomg.blogspot.com/2006/01/tsa-total-spazzes-assholes_17.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/travel/comments/34q1c6/why_are_us_tsas_such_major_assholes/

https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Toilet_Safety_Administration

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/tsa-the-supreme-assholes-of-travel-again.228212/page-3


All these links prove my assertion. Get to work on proving me wrong. chop chop.

:lol

is that how it works?

That's how the TSA rodeo works. He posts a flurry of links he didn't read or understand and wants you to ride them.

[spurraider21]

most deaths in a day since june 2

[DarrinS]

most deaths in a day since june 2

But lower than just NY in early to mid April.

[Blake]

But lower than just NY in early to mid April.

You're an idiot

[DarrinS]

You're an idiot

Current daily deaths for the ENTIRE COUNTRY on par with just NY state in April.

Am I wrong?

[ChumpDumper]

Why the hard on for April NY?

[Blake]

Current daily deaths for the ENTIRE COUNTRY on par with just NY state in April.

Am I wrong?

You're disingenuous to compare today with April.

Or an idiot. Your pick.

[spurraider21]

Why the hard on for April NY?
you didnt know? cuomo sent recovering patients back to nursing homes

[Winehole23]

DarrenS is a dedicated COVID-19 minimizer. He believes in it, but he'll often try load the dice to make the present look as harmless as possible.

Sometimes the comparisons don't work: I don't see why anybody supposed to be comforted that the rate of death in NY in April equals that of the whole country right now.

[DarrinS]

Why the hard on for April NY?

Data is nonpartisan

[ChumpDumper]

Data is nonpartisanYour choices in datasets certainly appear to be.

[Spurminator]

DarrenS is a dedicated COVID-19 minimizer. He believes in it, but he'll often try load the dice to make the present look as harmless as possible.

Sometimes the comparisons don't work: I don't see why anybody supposed to be comforted that the rate of death in NY in April equals that of the whole country right now.

Have you noticed that the most vocal COVID skeptics are also the most vocal climate change skeptics? Regardless of popular opinion or consensus among people with decades of expertise in their field, they see nothing but "alarmism" that threatens their contentment.

These are also the same people who think ANTIFA is literally going to kill them someday.

[DarrinS]

Have you noticed that the most vocal COVID skeptics are also the most vocal climate change skeptics? Regardless of popular opinion or consensus among people with decades of expertise in their field, they see nothing but "alarmism" that threatens their contentment.

These are also the same people who think ANTIFA is literally going to kill them someday.



Popular opinion and consensus is not science.

[DarrinS]

Your choices in datasets certainly appear to be.

Worldometers?

[ChumpDumper]

Worldometers?Worldometers only displays NY in April?

[spurraider21]

Worldometers?
on what day in april did worlometer show NY as having more deaths than we saw nationally today?

[DarrinS]

Worldometers only displays NY in April?

Yes :rolleyes

[DarrinS]

on what day in april did worlometer show NY as having more deaths than we saw nationally today?

April 17, 1025 deaths in NY
Today 1119 deaths in U.S.

I said on par

[Blake]

Data is nonpartisan

It gets cherry picked for partisan politics all the time. You're a fine example of it

[spurraider21]

April 17, 1025 deaths in NY
Today 1119 deaths in U.S.

I said on par


But lower than just NY in early to mid April.

[DarrinS]

Current daily deaths for the ENTIRE COUNTRY on par with just NY state in April.

Am I wrong?

[DarrinS]

Within margin of error, tbh

[TSA]

211 that's your number

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

[spurraider21]

most deaths in a day since june 2


But lower than just NY in early to mid April.
wrong in addition to being a red herring

[DMC]

Why are we talking numbers again? Lives don't matter, remember? All that matters is narrative. If the deaths are in NY, no biggie. Cuomo dithered. If they are in a red state, holy fuck we knew it. Get a rope.

[spurraider21]

Why are we talking numbers again? Lives don't matter, remember? All that matters is narrative. If the deaths are in NY, no biggie. Cuomo dithered. If they are in a red state, holy fuck we knew it. Get a rope.
we just set a new record for deaths in a day since june 2

[ChumpDumper]

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?I don't think they parse it that way.

I believe ~200 under 24 have died so far with kids mostly out of school. I guess we can double your dead kid total this coming flu season.:tu

[Spurminator]

Popular opinion and consensus is not science.

It's typically based on science. Not kneejerk, conveniently partisan skepticism.

[Blake]

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

We'll talk about this post in December

[Blake]

Why are we talking numbers again? Lives don't matter, remember? All that matters is narrative. If the deaths are in NY, no biggie. Cuomo dithered. If they are in a red state, holy fuck we knew it. Get a rope.

Oh look another whataboutnewyork.

[DMC]

we just set a new record for deaths in a day since june 2

Hey a new record. That changes everything. If we get one more tomorrow, is today's record really just shit, like Mark McGwire's HR record after Bonds smashed it a couple years later?

[DarrinS]

I'm just glad our governor isn't asking for 40K ventilators.

[Blake]

I'm just glad our governor isn't asking for 40K ventilators.

In April that was what anyone knew to do.

I know it's hard to believe but we're in July

[Blake]

Hey a new record. That changes everything. If we get one more tomorrow, is today's record really just shit, like Mark McGwire's HR record after Bonds smashed it a couple years later?

More records means just another day of government failure at state and federal levels

[tholdren]

We'll talk about this post in December

Why? Kids were in school this past winter with covid. No masks. No distance. 2 more weeks

[TSA]

We'll talk about this post in December

Let’s talk about it now.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm just glad our governor isn't asking for 40K ventilators.I can only guess when and where you are thinking.

[Blake]

Why? Kids were in school this past winter with covid. No masks. No distance. 2 more weeks

Lies

[tholdren]

Let’s talk about it now.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

why stop in the us. Use a large sample size. Use the nordice coutries. Sweden no lockdown and finland denmark were back in school last April

[Blake]

Let’s talk about it now.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

Don't be disingenuous. Kids haven't congregated together since early March.

If the schools open again, we'll talk in December. Maybe even November.

[Blake]

why stop in the us. Use a large sample size. Use the nordice coutries. Sweden no lockdown and finland denmark were back in school last April

Lol SWEDEN!

[tholdren]

Lies

100 pct true

[tholdren]

Lol SWEDEN!

I know. For a country you said failed since they didn't lock down or shut down all schools they have 10 deaths 30 and younger

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107913/number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-by-age-groups/

Sad day for school

[ChumpDumper]

I know. For a country you said failed since they didn't lock down or shut down all schools they have 10 deaths 30 and younger

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107913/number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-by-age-groups/

Sad day for schoolEver get around to comparing total excess deaths for the Nordic countries this year?

One ended up being many times higher than the others.

Any guess as to which one?

[DarrinS]

Man, people really hate comparing where we are now, as a country, to ONE state in April. It gets worse, if I add in NJ, Connecticut, Maryland, etc.

[TSA]

Don't be disingenuous. Kids haven't congregated together since early March.

If the schools open again, we'll talk in December. Maybe even November.

Don’t be retarded. Kids have been around adults even more than they normally are and adults pass it to kids at a much higher rate of transmission than kid to kid.

Let’s talk about it now.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

[tholdren]

Ever get around to comparing total excess deaths for the Nordic countries this year?

One ended up being many times higher than the others.

Any guess as to which one?
This has nothing to do with the comment you responded to. Goalpost

[ChumpDumper]

Man, people really hate comparing where we are now, as a country, to ONE state in April. It gets worse, if I add in NJ, Connecticut, Maryland, etc.The question is why do you only compare to that area at that time?

[tholdren]

Don’t be retarded. Kids have been around adults even more than they normally are and adults pass it to kids at a much higher rate of transmission than kid to kid.

Let’s talk about it now.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?
They only use media headline as science and then claim its science to only believe one thing regarded as science

[ChumpDumper]

This has nothing to do with the comment you responded to. GoalpostYou hid in your bunker when I asked you the first time.

I reminded you.

So are you going to compare them?

[tholdren]

The question is why do you only compare to that area at that time?

sea lion

[tholdren]

You hid in your bunker when I asked you the first time.

I reminded you.

So are you going to compare them?

sea lion

[DarrinS]

The question is why do you only compare to that area at that time?

Peak outbreak. Durr

[DarrinS]

And it would be even worse (for team doomsday), if I normalized for population.

[ChumpDumper]

Don’t be retarded. Kids have been around adults even more than they normally are and adults pass it to kids at a much higher rate of transmission than kid to kid.

Let’s talk about it now.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?This is disingenuous.

The US doesn't have stats organized in the group TSA demands.

As far as I can tell, TSA wants to double child deaths this flu season and also kill an unknown number of adult school workers and family members.

[ChumpDumper]

Peak outbreak. DurrSo that's the only possible thing to compare anything to?

The absolute worst case when the least was known about the virus?

There's absolutely nothing else you'd think to compare to?

[DarrinS]

This is disingenuous.

The US doesn't have stats organized in the group TSA demands.

As far as I can tell, TSA wants to double child deaths this flu season and also kill an unknown number of adult school workers and family members.

Everyone who disagrees with you, wants to kill people.

[ChumpDumper]

Everyone who disagrees with you, wants to kill people.He certainly doesn't want to stop those deaths. So.....

[tholdren]

This is disingenuous.

The US doesn't have stats organized in the group TSA demands.

As far as I can tell, TSA wants to double child deaths this flu season and also kill an unknown number of adult school workers and family members.

they do. This is all accessible

[DarrinS]

So that's the only possible thing to compare anything to?

The absolute worst case when the least was known about the virus?

There's absolutely nothing else you'd think to compare to?


We are peaking in the South now. Should I compare our numbers to NY, long after their peak? Makes no sense.

[ChumpDumper]

they do. This is all accessibleGreat. Post them.

[tholdren]

Great. Post them.

already have sea lion

[ChumpDumper]

We are peaking in the South now. Should I compare our numbers to NY, long after their peak? Makes no sense.You need to stop soothing yourself with thoughts of NY dead.

[ChumpDumper]

already have sea lionGreat, link that post.

[spurraider21]

Hey a new record. That changes everything. If we get one more tomorrow, is today's record really just shit, like Mark McGwire's HR record after Bonds smashed it a couple years later?
:lol i knew you'd enjoy that buzzword

[ChumpDumper]

:lol i knew you'd enjoy that buzzword:lol DMC triggered

[DarrinS]

You need to stop soothing yourself with thoughts of NY dead.

I'm not "soothing myself", I'm putting current state of affairs in proportion.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not "soothing myself", I'm putting current state of affairs in proportion.Soothing.

[DarrinS]

:lol i knew you'd enjoy that buzzword

What was the buzzword?

[Winehole23]

1285315266897993728

[spurraider21]

What was the buzzword?
"record"

he made a big stink about that after we set the "record" in daily new cases in recent weeks. figured calling something "record since june 2" would have been a funny jab but he didnt catch that i was teasing

[DarrinS]

1285315266897993728

Wtf?

[tholdren]

Great, link that post.

sea lion

[DarrinS]

I leave my mask on the dashboard and let the sun deal with it.

[ChumpDumper]

sea lionf:lolldren folds

[Winehole23]

I leave my mask on the dashboard and let the sun deal with it.:tu

[RandomGuy]

That's how the TSA rodeo works. He posts a flurry of links he didn't read or understand and wants you to ride them.

I give in an do a bit of a sample. They are never what he says they are.

[RandomGuy]

Everyone who disagrees with you, wants to kill people.

Strawman.

Anyone who wants to force schools to open wants to kill people, because that decision will spread the pandemic, which will kill people.

This isn't hard unless you are trying to make excuses, once again, for Republican policy failures.

[RandomGuy]

You keep assuming and guessing and keep looking foolish. There is plenty in those links about adolescents. Lumping in 11 year olds with 18 year olds is lazy. And I already addressed the issue at high schools by requiring them to wear masks. Are you now conceding that it is safe to open all schools for children under 10?

If there was something in those links talking about how prone adolescents were you would post it. You haven't, so I will just assume that you are, again, lying by omission.

All the links I looked at were just studies on children 10 and under with no concrete data about adolescents. Highschoolers won't wear masks consistently, and lumping them into rooms without social distancing for seven hours a day, five days a week doesn't sound safe, even with masks. "just wear masks" isn't really much of a plan.

Your claim, your burden of proof.

[Winehole23]

Sounds like LabCorp is begging US states to ration diagnostic tests because productive capacity isn't keeping up with the spread of COVID-19. Is that right?

This is just one lab, Quest is another, what do they say?

Seems really odd for a major lab to say publicly that they can't get er done. Probable pucker factor.


LabCorp CEO Adam Schechter told CNBC on Tuesday that the coronavirus is spreading faster in the U.S. than the company can expand testing capacity, leading to slower turnaround time for results.

"We need all states to ensure we're doing everything we can to better control the virus. If we can do that, then we'll be able to have the tests that we need," Schechter said on "Closing Bell."https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/21/labcorp-ceo-coronavirus-is-spreading-faster-than-testing-expansion.html

[RandomGuy]

Have you noticed that the most vocal COVID skeptics are also the most vocal climate change skeptics? Regardless of popular opinion or consensus among people with decades of expertise in their field, they see nothing but "alarmism" that threatens their contentment.

These are also the same people who think ANTIFA is literally going to kill them someday.

It is the anti-science streak, borne of skepticism about "eviloution", almost a straight line to climate change denialism, and now virus science denialism. Driven in large part in all cases by the religious right.