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Winehole23
05-15-2021, 03:53 PM
Medical ventilation
Anal oxygen administration may save lives (https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/05/14/anal-oxygen-administration-may-save-lives)
SnakeBoy
05-15-2021, 10:16 PM
Medical ventilation
Anal oxygen administration may save lives (https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/05/14/anal-oxygen-administration-may-save-lives)
Every time something gets a lot of media attention people want to put it in their ass
ElNono
05-15-2021, 10:17 PM
Medical ventilation
Anal oxygen administration may save lives (https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/05/14/anal-oxygen-administration-may-save-lives)
derp
Not only you can talk out of your ass, you can breathe through there as well, tbh
boutons_deux
05-16-2021, 11:10 PM
There have been 7m-13m excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic[/COLOR]
The rich world suffered relatively badly, but most of the dying has been elsewhere
https://infographics.economist.com/2021/20210515_FBC101/20210515_FBC101-Artboard_1_copy_3.png
https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/05/15/there-have-been-7m-13m-excess-deaths-worldwide-during-the-pandemic
Winehole23
05-17-2021, 10:07 AM
Osaka, along with Tokyo and two other prefectures, will remain under a state of emergency (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/23/japan-set-to-announce-state-of-emergency-as-covid-cases-surge) called in late April until at least the end of this month, and another three regions are due to join them from Sunday, Japanese media reported on Friday.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/14/hospitals-overwhelmed-as-covid-cases-surge-in-osaka
Winehole23
05-18-2021, 09:10 AM
Aussie/US blunt corner: siRNA (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5542916/)therapy for COVID-19
Co-lead researcher Professor Kevin Morris said the treatment was designed to work on all betacoronaviruses such as the original SARS virus (SARS-CoV-1) as well as SARS-CoV-2 and MERS (https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/rearvision/sars-and-mars---what-did-the-earlier-epidemics-teach-us/12100888).
"And any new variants that may arise in the future because it targets ultra-conserved regions in the virus's genome," Professor Morris said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-17/queensland-coronavirus-antiviral-treatment-covid-19/100144370
SpursforSix
05-18-2021, 09:33 AM
Medical ventilation
Anal oxygen administration may save lives (https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/05/14/anal-oxygen-administration-may-save-lives)
Bend over, I'll fucking administer anal oxygen.
Winehole23
05-18-2021, 09:40 AM
damn, that took way longer than I thought
Winehole23
05-18-2021, 10:43 AM
worldwide, 2021 will be the annus horribilis, not 2020
Until now the island had been hailed as a Covid containment model after it largely eradicated the disease with nearly no community spread about one year ago.
Taiwan logged a new daily high of 333 local infections on today (May 17), a rise from Sunday’s tally of 206. The uptrend is stirring trepidation as only 29 cases were recorded on Friday.
Although the island’s total caseload (https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En) still stands at a remarkably modest 2,017, there are rising fears of worse to come as new highly contagious variants including from the UK and India start to spread throughout the region.
Taiwan’s Health Minister Chen Shih-chung, who to date has ridden high in popularity ratings for leading the island’s Covid-19 response, is now being grilled for not scrambling medical staff to emerging outbreak hotspots and lock down Taipei neighborhoods until last weekend.
https://asiatimes.com/2021/05/taiwan-braces-for-worst-yet-covid-19-outbreak/
coyotes_geek
05-18-2021, 04:54 PM
Ohio with an interesting approach to increase vaccinations.
Ohio will give 5 people $1 million each in COVID-19 vaccine lottery
MEREDITH DELISO
Wed, May 12, 2021, 7:59 PM·3 min read
Five vaccinated Ohioans will win $1 million each through a new lottery announced Wednesday, in one of the largest financial incentives announced by a state to combat declining demand for the COVID-19 vaccine.
Starting May 26, the state will award $1 million each week to an adult who has received at least the first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, Gov. Mike DeWine said. There will be five total drawings.
"I know that some may say, 'DeWine, you’re crazy! This million-dollar drawing idea of yours is a waste of money,'" the governor said during an address Wednesday. "But truly, the real waste at this point in the pandemic -- when the vaccine is readily available to anyone who wants it -- is a life lost to COVID-19."
The state will also hold a weekly lottery starting May 26 for those 17 and younger who have gotten the COVID-19 vaccine. Five winners will receive a full, four-year scholarship to a State of Ohio university, which includes tuition, room-and-board and books, DeWine announced.
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/ohio-5-peo...005943467.html
Unsurprisingly, it's working.
Tuesday was the first day vaccinated Ohio residents could sign up for the new “Vax-a-Million” lottery drawings. The state already has seen an uptick in Covid-19 vaccinations.
“We have heard that local health departments and pharmacies are seeing more people coming in to get vaccinated,” Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, said Monday on Twitter.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-05-18/card/nbwA1lSnlMX4XMg3DVqX?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR3VL3u0zkn6fVgUCBTxdME7WmCQPyFkeDyW1HkMz hyhPLldlV9Jdnjn6vY
Winehole23
05-20-2021, 09:19 AM
contempt for the law and order of their own institution.
they're telling us who they are.
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hater
05-20-2021, 01:47 PM
Lol which american is gonna book their summer vacation to France after seeing this :lmao
https://twitter.com/RemyBuisine/status/1395096487894392832?s=19
Fucking ridiculous. Youd think these nazis would send someone withoutban AK 47 to talk to those peaceful citizens.
hater
05-20-2021, 01:52 PM
Thats better
https://twitter.com/benoitballet/status/1395102015848689664?s=19
Winehole23
05-21-2021, 09:35 AM
COVID related dermatosis in November 2019: Italy's patient zero?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/bjd.19804
RandomGuy
05-21-2021, 09:41 AM
COVID related dermatosis in November 2019: Italy's patient zero?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/bjd.19804
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01234-1
The myriad ways sewage surveillance is helping fight COVID around the world
Wastewater tracking was used before the pandemic to monitor for polio and illicit drug use, but interest in the field and its applications has now ballooned.
They can find clusters before testing. Everybody poops.
RandomGuy
05-21-2021, 09:41 AM
Just for some perspective, more Americans have died of regular flu this season than the worldwide covid-19 deaths.
More than double the covid-19 count.
Just for some perspective, you said this when scientists were telling you to be concerned.
ChumpDumper
05-21-2021, 09:44 AM
:lol Darrin will never acknowledge how wrong he was.
Winehole23
05-21-2021, 09:45 AM
Covid-19 Disrupts Years of Health Progress in U.S. (http://Covid-19 Disrupts Years of Health Progress in U.S. Deaths from infections in 2020 ranked the highest they have been in decades, exposing and exacerbating health inequities)Deaths from infections in 2020 ranked the highest they have been in decades, exposing and exacerbating health inequities (http://Covid-19 Disrupts Years of Health Progress in U.S. Deaths from infections in 2020 ranked the highest they have been in decades, exposing and exacerbating health inequities)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-disrupts-years-of-health-progress-in-u-s-11621522803?width=10&height=5https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-disrupts-years-of-health-progress-in-u-s-11621522803?mod=hp_lead_pos6
hater
05-21-2021, 03:02 PM
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1395806693460742148?s=19
Winehole23
05-21-2021, 11:45 PM
:lol Darrin will never acknowledge how wrong he was.darrin's takes usually fail on the launching pad, what's notable in this thread is how many times he got it wrong.
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ElNono
05-22-2021, 06:04 PM
Had my second shot of Moderna yesterday... not in a coma today, things looking good. Just a bit of soreness here and there. :tu
DarrinS
05-22-2021, 07:17 PM
Just for some perspective, you said this when scientists were telling you to be concerned.
:lol Darrin will never acknowledge how wrong he was.
I was wrong. I'll take the L.
Since I posted that, I've been both infected and vaccinated.
Covid is not a thing for me to worry about anymore.
DarrinS
05-22-2021, 07:27 PM
This guy was wrong, too.
"Imagine where we’re at, Chuck, right now: You and I are sitting on this beach where it’s 70 degrees, perfectly blue skies, gentle breeze. But I see that Hurricane 5, Category 5 or higher, 450 miles offshore. And telling people to evacuate in that nice blue sky day is gonna be hard. But I can also tell you that hurricane’s coming.”
Dr. Doom Osterholm in February
baseline bum
05-22-2021, 07:31 PM
Had my second shot of Moderna yesterday... not in a coma today, things looking good. Just a bit of soreness here and there. :tu
Bend over, I'll give you some soreness there.
Thread
05-22-2021, 08:57 PM
Bend over, I'll give you some soreness there.
I see ya there, bum, citing me and my shit.
Bum, c'mon, it's Saturday night, lift the block and embrace the old Cubster. Don't stay mad.
Frenchfred
05-23-2021, 02:33 AM
Lol which american is gonna book their summer vacation to France after seeing this :lmao
https://twitter.com/RemyBuisine/status/1395096487894392832?s=19
Fucking ridiculous. Youd think these nazis would send someone withoutban AK 47 to talk to those peaceful citizens.
this is what happened when you don't know the context. The French police is still patrolling the streets with one assault rifle per group due to previous terrorist activities, nothing to do with the curfew
Winehole23
05-24-2021, 08:40 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2HKJsSWEAAz47X?format=jpg&name=large
hater
05-24-2021, 08:52 AM
this is what happened when you don't know the context. The French police is still patrolling the streets with one assault rifle per group due to previous terrorist activities, nothing to do with the curfew
Yeah noone wants to go vacation where military armed with assault weapons will bother you.
Cancun for me tbqh
ChumpDumper
05-24-2021, 09:12 AM
This guy was wrong, too.
"Imagine where we’re at, Chuck, right now: You and I are sitting on this beach where it’s 70 degrees, perfectly blue skies, gentle breeze. But I see that Hurricane 5, Category 5 or higher, 450 miles offshore. And telling people to evacuate in that nice blue sky day is gonna be hard. But I can also tell you that hurricane’s coming.”
Dr. Doom Osterholm in February
This is not your taking an L.
This is your whining like a bitch.
Thread
05-24-2021, 11:59 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2HKJsSWEAAz47X?format=jpg&name=large
See how the cases peaked quite splendidly right around mother fucker Biden's inauguration day and therefter fell off.
And I'll bet by God we'll be counting regular flu cases ever more. We just jammed those in with COVID while Trump was President and then figured we couldn't change that after 1-20-21, but we'll have a swell regular flue season coming up this fall and winter. You can count on that.
hater
05-24-2021, 12:09 PM
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1396835438644563971?s=19
Winehole23
05-24-2021, 07:53 PM
masking, hand hygiene and social distancing work
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2020-2021/images/PedFlu53_small.gif
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hater
05-24-2021, 09:49 PM
https://twitter.com/consent_factory/status/1396344503108308995?s=19
hater
05-24-2021, 10:02 PM
https://twitter.com/consent_factory/status/1395510735711711234?s=19
Winehole23
05-24-2021, 10:50 PM
Unvaccinated?
Immuno-compromised?
I know only 50% of the US is fully vaccinated, and that y'all stayed safe and protected us too for the last year, but fuck your lives. Time to go back to school.
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RandomGuy
05-25-2021, 12:58 PM
I was wrong. I'll take the L.
Since I posted that, I've been both infected and vaccinated.
Covid is not a thing for me to worry about anymore.
Why did you ignore the scientists?
boutons_deux
05-25-2021, 01:51 PM
Moderna says its juice is 100% effective for teens
hater
05-25-2021, 01:52 PM
Moderna says its juice is 100% effective for teens
Not a surprise as no juice is 99% effective on teens :lol
Not a surprise as no juice is 99% effective on teens :lol
Right, it's like were people really expecting them to publish a bad number given how even teens who are getting infected are nearly all asymptomatic (according to many reports)?
ChumpDumper
05-25-2021, 02:06 PM
They're talking about preventing infections in the first place. It wasn't a huge sample size, but really good news nonetheless.:tu
They're talking about preventing infections in the first place. It wasn't a huge sample size, but really good news nonetheless.:tu
It's pretty unimpressive when you consider the number of teens being infected in the placebo group (4 out of 1,850?)... :lol
The phase 2/3 study the company is citing Tuesday included more than 3,700 adolescents. No cases of Covid were observed in participants who received two doses of the vaccine, while four cases were observed in the placebo group, according to the company.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/25/covid-vaccine-moderna-says-shot-is-100percent-effective-in-teens-plans-to-seek-fda-ok-in-june.html
ChumpDumper
05-25-2021, 02:19 PM
You're not going to get many more 12-17 years olds for an emergency experiment.
This is how were gonna end this shit in the US.
You're not going to get many more 12-17 years olds for an emergency experiment.
This is how were gonna end this shit in the US.
The number of participants is fine -- look at the rate of infections in the placebo group. 4 infections out of 1,850 participants in that group... That is an infection rate of 0.2% without the vaccine.
Is it worth about $130K ($35 per dose x 2 doses x 1,850 participants) and whatever known and unknown long-term side effects come with it... to prevent 4 infections in that group? That is a question that needs to be asked.
ChumpDumper
05-25-2021, 02:27 PM
The number of participants is fine -- look at the rate of infections in the placebo group. 4 infections out of 1,850 participants in that group... That is a rate of 0.02% without the vaccine.
Is it worth about $130K ($35 per dose x 2 doses x 1,850 participants) and whatever known and unknown long-term side effects come with it... to prevent 4 infections in that group?Yes.
ChumpDumper
05-25-2021, 02:33 PM
Why?So they can go back to school and life without worrying about distancing and masking and not infect members of their families and others who can't get vaccinated or for whom vaccines are less effective.
Pretty simple.
boutons_deux
05-25-2021, 02:36 PM
Why?
infected teens would be infecting unvaccinated adults (about 50% of US adults), keeping the pandemic going.
iow, it's not about teens, it's about victims of teens spreading the virus
baseline bum
05-25-2021, 02:37 PM
The number of participants is fine -- look at the rate of infections in the placebo group. 4 infections out of 1,850 participants in that group... That is an infection rate of 0.2% without the vaccine.
Is it worth about $130K ($35 per dose x 2 doses x 1,850 participants) and whatever known and unknown long-term side effects come with it... to prevent 4 infections in that group? That is a question that needs to be asked.
That is hard to believe 4 out of 1850. Wonder where these trials were done. Because I have two teen family members who caught SARS-COV-2, one asymptomatic but still PCR tested positive, the other symptomatic who said it felt like the worst flu he ever had for two weeks. We're not talking fatass kids either, they're both pretty athletic and you'd think would be in the absolute lowest risk group.
ChumpDumper
05-25-2021, 02:40 PM
In a perfect world we would wait for more trials and let all the adults who can get fully vaccinated do that in the meantime.
Trumptards won't do it, so we have to get the kids to bail them out as usual.
So they can go back to school and life without worrying about distancing and masking and not infect members of their families and others who can't get vaccinated or for whom vaccines are less effective.
Pretty simple.
We are very close to a point already where the number of people who can't get vaccinated or for whom vaccination is ineffective is miniscule.
Cost aside, the potential for side effects needs to be weighted when the benefits are continuing to dwindle for vaccinating teens (with the exception of teens we know have rare and unique vulnerabilities to COVID or any infectious disease).
ChumpDumper
05-25-2021, 02:42 PM
We are very close to a point already where the number of people who can't get vaccinated or for whom vaccination is ineffective is miniscule.1) Show those numbers.
2) Then add the numbers of people who won't get vaccinated by choice.
3) Tell me what specific potential side effects worry you.
1) Show those numbers.
2) Then add the numbers of people who won't get vaccinated by choice.
3) Tell me what specific potential side effects worry you.
I'm judging by the sharp decrease in demand for the vaccine when we have plenty of doses. It's clear the number of people who can't get one is dwindling fast.
The number of older people who are vulnerable and won't get vaccinated is the bigger problem than teens with a sub 1% infection rate. More needs to be done to get those adults vaccinated.
The problem is we don't know the full range of side effects but fatal blood clots may be just one example.
iow, it's not about teens, it's about victims of teens spreading the virus
Look at the infection rate in the placebo group (approx. 0.2%). Seems like they're not the super spreaders but the carless adults are.
In a perfect world we would wait for more trials and let all the adults who can get fully vaccinated do that in the meantime.
Trumptards won't do it, so we have to get the kids to bail them out as usual.
Well good luck getting the parents who refuse to get vaccinated to voluntarily vaccinate their kids.
ChumpDumper
05-25-2021, 03:08 PM
I'm judging by the sharp decrease in demand for the vaccine when we have plenty of doses. It's clear the number of people who can't get one is dwindling fast.
The number of older people who are vulnerable and won't get vaccinated is the bigger problem than teens with a sub 1% infection rate. More needs to be done to get those adults vaccinated.
The problem is we don't know the full range of side effects but fatal blood clots may be just one example.
That's not even an example compared to letting a kid get COVID.
boutons_deux
05-25-2021, 03:19 PM
Look at the infection rate in the placebo group (approx. 0.2%). Seems like they're not the super spreaders but the carless adults are.
40M between 10 and 19 = 80K infected teens potentially infecting 50% of American adults.
I suppose teens who refuse vaccination would be following the example of their ignorant, stupid, own-the-libs, Trash-fellating Repug parents.
The most vaccination resistant adults are on the low end of the socio-economic scale, aka, low-ed, low-wage, across all ethnic groups.
Why take any risk of keeping the tail of the Trump-Made Pandemic stretching out longer?
Thread
05-25-2021, 03:20 PM
Death count coming in on the wire hand-over-fist of a Tuesday, Dumper.
Why take any risk of keeping the tail of the Trump-Made Pandemic stretching out longer?
The World Health Organization has made a case for sending vaccines abroad before vaccinating teens in America.
The threat of variants emerging in other countries, including border states like Canada and Mexico, is probably a bigger threat to extend the pandemic than teens in America especially as more adults are vaccinated.
boutons_deux
05-25-2021, 03:39 PM
The World Health Organization has made a case for sending vaccines abroad before vaccinating teens in America.
The threat of variants emerging in other countries, including border states like Canada and Mexico, is probably a bigger threat to extend the pandemic than teens in America especially as more adults are vaccinated.
good point, but BigPharma wants to get paid, and paid extremely well. who is going to pay?
A basic points of the Repugs, Trash, and his cult mob is America First, fuck the world, we ain't gonna pay to save foreigners' lives
good point, but BigPharma wants to get paid, and paid extremely well. who is going to pay?
A basic points of the Repugs, Trash, and his cut mob is America First, fuck the world, we ain't gonna pay to save foreigners' lives
Canada and Mexico can pay directly. Much poorer countries can get support from COVAX but it will need more funding too.
boutons_deux
05-25-2021, 08:20 PM
https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/191239162_10226487989165944_3385626638369828277_n. jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=xDWSlpI2DZ8AX_jRaGB&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=5b55691920a6b007491acb0ba20fd6d5&oe=60D40A00
hater
05-26-2021, 07:52 AM
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1397509183914881025?s=19
spurraider21
05-26-2021, 05:58 PM
the lab leak theory, even if confirmed to be true, doesnt change one iota of how putrid our response to the outbreak was
hater
05-26-2021, 06:04 PM
the lab leak theory, even if confirmed to be true, doesnt change one iota of how putrid our response to the outbreak was
Yup. Also there are rumors of a leak from Ft Detrick. Etc etc
Someday maybe we will find out (doubt it)
Either way. Meaningless. We knew what was coming for months.
All we did is laugh at chinas misfortune, said it would be good for our econony and said we are the most prepared country in the world :lmao
DarrinS
05-26-2021, 06:17 PM
the lab leak theory, even if confirmed to be true, doesnt change one iota of how putrid our response to the outbreak was
I mean, other than developing vaccines in under one year.
ChumpDumper
05-26-2021, 06:23 PM
After half a million dead Americans....Darrin calls that a victory and reminds us he used to be fat.
DarrinS
05-26-2021, 06:27 PM
After half a million dead Americans....Darrin calls that a victory and reminds us he used to be fat.
You had two doses of warp speed vaccine.
ChumpDumper
05-26-2021, 06:27 PM
You had two doses of warp speed vaccine.After half a million dead Americans.
Do you call half a million dead Americans victory, Darrin?
Yes or no.
DarrinS
05-26-2021, 06:30 PM
Top three death rates by state
New Jersey
New York
Massachusetts
But Trump
ChumpDumper
05-26-2021, 06:30 PM
Top three death rates by state
New Jersey
New York
Massachusetts
But Trump
Do you call half a million dead Americans victory, Darrin?
Yes or no.
ChumpDumper
05-26-2021, 06:32 PM
The only positive thing Darrin can say about the pandemic is socialized medicine.:tu
spurraider21
05-26-2021, 06:55 PM
I mean, other than developing vaccines in under one year.
ive given trump credit for warp speed, and the fact that we had multiple viable vaccines developed as quickly as we did was incredible.
the way we treated this from february through the vaccine rollout was pretty abysmal
baseline bum
05-26-2021, 07:07 PM
I mean, other than developing vaccines in under one year.
The 'Pfizer' vaccine was developed by BioNTech tbh
boutons_deux
05-26-2021, 07:13 PM
The 'Pfizer' vaccine was developed by BioNTech tbh
Obama financed Moderna with $10Ms years before Trash announced. BionTech also had been researching mRNA for years
Trash killed 500K Americans, sickened/maimed Ms more, by killing pandemic preparedness and not doing anything for months after he was told covid-19 was coming to USA
Trash's WARP was his futile attempt get vaccine out as campaign tactic
Winehole23
05-26-2021, 07:26 PM
The 'Pfizer' vaccine was developed by BioNTech tbh Katalin Karikó worked on it for 30 years before that, tbh
hater
05-26-2021, 08:22 PM
Yup. Also there are rumors of a leak from Ft Detrick. Etc etc
Someday maybe we will find out (doubt it)
Either way. Meaningless. We knew what was coming for months.
All we did is laugh at chinas misfortune, said it would be good for our econony and said we are the most prepared country in the world :lmao
Called it. China read my post this morning and.....
https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1396738928808316928?s=19
hater
05-26-2021, 08:25 PM
Crazy shit. First all governments swore this was natural to the point of using tech giants to censor and ban doubters.
Now all governments are basically admiting this was probably manmade :lmao
Thats why you should trust ZERO governments.
Ef-man
05-26-2021, 08:43 PM
Nice, Chinese media convinced hater both sides at fault.
:tu
DarrinS
05-26-2021, 08:46 PM
It was obvious where the virus originated. But, Orange man said it out loud.
hater
05-26-2021, 08:51 PM
It was obvious where the virus originated. But, Orange man said it out loud.
Ft detrick MD?
Possibly
DarrinS
05-26-2021, 08:54 PM
Ft detrick MD?
Possibly
Highly unlikely. Whinehole thinks it started in Europe, because poo poo.
hater
05-26-2021, 10:56 PM
Highly unlikely. Whinehole thinks it started in Europe, because poo poo.
Not really. Detrick already had lots of documented violations. Really bad ones. They claim they closed it around 2019 if I remember corretly.
Theres also the respiratory epidemic that happened in north VA just accross the potomac around same time.
Then theres the talk of US military having been sick when they went to wuhan for military exercises.....
Anything is possible at this point
hater
05-26-2021, 11:00 PM
This is from march 22. Sure its from chinese media. But it is from march 2020 which is long ago so all these events were already being talked about. Nothibg new
Chinese netizens and experts urge the US authority to release health and infection information of the US military delegation which came to Wuhan for the Military World Games in October to end the conjecture about US military personnel bringing COVID-19 to China.
An American journalist claimed one US military athlete in the delegation could be patient zero of the deadly new disease.
George Webb, an investigative journalist in Washington, DC claimed in recent videos and tweets that he believes Maatje Benassi, an armed diplomatic driver and cyclist who was in Wuhan in October for the cycling competition in the Military World Games, could be patient zero of COVID-19 in Wuhan.
In a report by the US Department of Defense official website on October 25, Maatje Benassi has participated 50-mile cycling road race in Wuhan.
Webb also quoted a military lab, the Fort Detrick laboratory that handles high-level disease-causing organisms such as Ebola, in Fredrick, Maryland, which was shut down and moved in July due to unqualified facilities and management system.
His conclusions, although without strong evidence, triggered questions on Chinese social media as it came only days after a petition was submitted to the White House website on March 10 listing some coincidences in time between the Fort Detrick lab's closure and the COVID-19 outbreak.
Many Chinese netizens have urged the US to test Benassi for COVID-19 and release information on the US delegation.
Li Haidong, a professor of US studies at the China Foreign Affairs University in Beijing, told the Global Times on Tuesday that the US government needs to respond to the controversy and publish the relevant information regarding their health status and infection record to clear public doubts and help with the scientific study on the virus' origin.
US politicians have been contending the novel coronavirus is "Made in China," while global scientists, including those in the US, have not found strong evidence to prove the virus' origin.
Given this situation, it is important to trace any suspicious points, the US delegation to the Wuhan games in this scenario, and find out what really happened, Li said.
COVID-19, a deadly disease caused by the novel coronavirus, has infected more than 330,000 people around the world and killed more than 14,000.
Identifying the origin will help develop effective therapy on the disease. The US should provide information of the delegation members to support related research, Li said.
Earlier in March, Zhao Lijian, an outspoken Chinese diplomat, raised a suspicion on his personal Twitter account that it might have been the US army representatives to the Military World Games who brought the novel coronavirus to Wuhan in October 2019, after a top US health official admitted detecting coronavirus infections on some deceased flu patients. Zhao urged the US to disclose further information, exercise transparency on coronavirus cases and provide an explanation to the public.
DarrinS
05-26-2021, 11:04 PM
Maybe the aliens dropped it right next to the Wuhan Institute of virology?
hater
05-26-2021, 11:06 PM
And this some crazy shit:
This is from University of San Diego Study:
Novel Coronavirus Circulated Undetected Months before First COVID-19 Cases in Wuhan, ChinaStudy dates emergence to as early as October 2019; simulations suggest in most cases zoonotic viruses die out naturally before causing a pandemic
The SARS-CoV-2 virus under a microscope. Photo credit: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
Using molecular dating tools and epidemiological simulations, researchers at University of California San Diego School of Medicine, with colleagues at the University of Arizona and Illumina, Inc., estimate that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was likely circulating undetected for at most two months before the first human cases of COVID-19 were described in Wuhan, China in late-December 2019.
Funny that these scientists say Covid originated 2 months before first confirmed case. Which would be late October 2019
Military games were held....
Late October 2019
https://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelease/novel-coronavirus-circulated-undetected-months-before-first-covid-19-cases-in-wuhan-china
DarrinS
05-26-2021, 11:12 PM
Anywhere but China.
pgardn
05-26-2021, 11:19 PM
It was obvious where the virus originated. But, Orange man said it out loud.
No actually it’s not.
And the BS that it was “created” by people in a lab is horseshit as well. Did the virus we are seeing now get out thru a lab... unlikely still. We might eventually figure out the animal vector pathway. It’s obvious where the first significant outbreaks of the disease were. China did NOT come clean with this, we had to find it out through some of their more disturbed medical people who understood it was bad.
TimDunkem
05-26-2021, 11:20 PM
Why do people still argue with the guy who said the pandemic was over with over a year ago?
pgardn
05-26-2021, 11:22 PM
And this some crazy shit:
This is from University of San Diego Study:
Novel Coronavirus Circulated Undetected Months before First COVID-19 Cases in Wuhan, ChinaStudy dates emergence to as early as October 2019; simulations suggest in most cases zoonotic viruses die out naturally before causing a pandemic
The SARS-CoV-2 virus under a microscope. Photo credit: National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
Using molecular dating tools and epidemiological simulations, researchers at University of California San Diego School of Medicine, with colleagues at the University of Arizona and Illumina, Inc., estimate that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was likely circulating undetected for at most two months before the first human cases of COVID-19 were described in Wuhan, China in late-December 2019.
Funny that these scientists say Covid originated 2 months before first confirmed case. Which would be late October 2019
Military games were held....
Late October 2019
https://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/pressrelease/novel-coronavirus-circulated-undetected-months-before-first-covid-19-cases-in-wuhan-china
So it got loose from military games?
So it was manufactured by humans...
Pull your head out.
Called it
hater
05-26-2021, 11:27 PM
Anywhere but China.
Disagree
But still military personel from all over being in Wuhan exactly at the time scientists say it originated?
Very interesting. These military personel from US, China, Russia, Iran, Israel all were congregated. At the same time. Interesting
hater
05-26-2021, 11:28 PM
So it got loose from military games?
So it was manufactured by humans...
Pull your head out.
Called it
Not sure, Urine
If I had to bet I would stilm bet on it being natural. But very interesting coincidences as well.
Ef-man
05-27-2021, 12:58 AM
Article did not say if influencers had to be good.
Influencers say they were offered money to discredit the Pfizer vaccine. In France, some suspect Russia is behind it.
Several European influencers say they have been offered money to use their social media presence to discourage their millions of followers from receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine by a suspicious agency that French officials reportedly think could be linked to Russia.
According to the influencers, they were approached online and asked to tell their large followings that the Pfizer vaccine is dangerous and has sparked more deaths than the one developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University. The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine has been plausibly linked to extremely rare but in some cases fatal blood clots. European and U.S. regulators have not linked the Pfizer vaccine to any such side effects.
Although it is being used in multiple countries, Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine has yet to receive approval from the European Union’s medicines agency, which officials say is the result of a lack of adequate information. Last month, Brazil’s Health Regulatory Agency rejected the vaccine, listing significant safety concerns that include a lack of quality control and an absence of details regarding the vaccine’s side effects.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Russia was willing to give Brazil additional data if required.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/26/influencers-offered-money-pfizer-discredit-russia/
hater
05-27-2021, 07:26 AM
Article did not say if influencers had to be good.
Influencers say they were offered money to discredit the Pfizer vaccine. In France, some suspect Russia is behind it.
Several European influencers say they have been offered money to use their social media presence to discourage their millions of followers from receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine by a suspicious agency that French officials reportedly think could be linked to Russia.
According to the influencers, they were approached online and asked to tell their large followings that the Pfizer vaccine is dangerous and has sparked more deaths than the one developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University. The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine has been plausibly linked to extremely rare but in some cases fatal blood clots. European and U.S. regulators have not linked the Pfizer vaccine to any such side effects.
Although it is being used in multiple countries, Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine has yet to receive approval from the European Union’s medicines agency, which officials say is the result of a lack of adequate information. Last month, Brazil’s Health Regulatory Agency rejected the vaccine, listing significant safety concerns that include a lack of quality control and an absence of details regarding the vaccine’s side effects.
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Russia was willing to give Brazil additional data if required.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/26/influencers-offered-money-pfizer-discredit-russia/
"Some suspect"
:lmao
Todays "journalism" :lol
hater
05-27-2021, 07:42 AM
Id say theres no reason not to test those samples from Greenspring for covid. Tbqh. Why not do it?
https://twitter.com/LLinecook/status/1397622567490527232?s=19
Winehole23
05-27-2021, 07:52 AM
With the US half-vaccinated, vaccines have become a Republican wedge issue.
Federal health officials have approved the first passenger cruise from the U.S. from Fort Lauderdale in June — but Florida’s governor insists he will block company plans to require passengers be vaccinated.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Wednesday gave Royal Caribbean Group approval to start seven-nightcruises to the Caribbean on its Celebrity Cruises brand ship, Celebrity Edge, on June 26, according to a CDC spokesperson. The ship is the first to win CDC approval for revenue cruises since the COVID-19 pandemic began.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article251706998.html
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05-27-2021, 08:22 AM
Why do people still argue with the guy who said the pandemic was over with over a year ago?
Your guy ain't no better, TD. Mother fucker Biden said he had a plan but wouldn't divulge till after he got sworn this past January 20th. That was over 200k of dead Americans and counting later. He's lost 1600 Americans the first 3 days of this week!
Winehole23
05-27-2021, 08:27 AM
^^^integrity-free welcher
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05-27-2021, 08:39 AM
^^^integrity-free welcher
You still won't (Reply With Quote) just to bust my balls, Winester.
I figure mother fucker Biden will be closing in on his first quarter million by Xmas.
Winehole23
05-27-2021, 09:07 AM
what's that you're saying, Dale?
I can't hear you, I have you on ignore.
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05-27-2021, 09:22 AM
what's that you're saying, Dale?
I can't hear you, I have you on ignore.
lmcontrollinao!!!
Winehole23
05-27-2021, 09:26 AM
eh?
https://www.tekportal.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/ear-trumpet-2599.jpg
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05-27-2021, 09:26 AM
eh?
https://www.tekportal.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/ear-trumpet-2599.jpg
THEY WERE SELLING YOUR SHIT!!!
Winehole23
05-27-2021, 10:30 AM
FAA has received 2,500 reports of unruly, dangerous passengers so far in 2021. The majority were over masks (https://www.wfaa.com/article/travel/airlines-prepare-busy-holiday-weekend-masks-required-summer-travel/287-302be732-b98a-4d02-b66b-f5407846fe24)
This week, the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Federal Aviation Administration (https://www.faa.gov/) is announcing it received about 2,500 reports of unruly and dangerous behavior by passengers since January 2021. Roughly 1,900 of those reports involve passengers refusing to wear masks.
“The airports and on airplanes we still are bound by the federal mandate that requires customers to wear masks or face coverings,” Moses reminded the public as they prepare for travel.
The FAA announced a zero-tolerance policy for unruly and dangerous behavior.
On Sunday, a passenger allegedly assaulted a flight attendant, knocking out two of her teeth, on a Southwest Airlines flight from Sacramento to San Diego.
Everyone else was under masks.
what's that you're saying, Dale?
I can't hear you, I have you on ignore.
:lol not understanding the concept of "ignore".
:lol thinking it means "didn't read".
Winehole23
05-27-2021, 10:36 AM
I'm teasing Dale, buttinski. I know perfectly well what "ignore" means in this context -- it means that his posts aren't visible to me, not that I'm under any obligation to ignore him, you silly pedant. :lol
Ef-man
05-27-2021, 10:45 AM
Id say theres no reason not to test those samples from Greenspring for covid. Tbqh. Why not do it?
https://twitter.com/LLinecook/status/1397622567490527232?s=19
"rumored"
:lmao
today's "informed reader" :lol
boutons_deux
05-27-2021, 10:45 AM
the Repugs typically dishonest and racist obsession with blaming China for the "Chinese virus" is meant to blame China exclusively for 900K American dead and Ms damaged Americans.
No matter where or how covid-19 hit USA, Trash is ALONE responsible for 500K dead Americans.
It looks, so far, like the feckless, spineless Dems won't pursue Trash for criminal manslaughter and criminal reckless endangerment.
===========
Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science/coronavirus-traces-found-in-march-2019-sewage-sample-spanish-study-shows-idUSKBN23X2HQ
hater
05-27-2021, 10:46 AM
"rumored"
:lmao
today's "informed reader" :lol
Everything is rumored at this point, Cindy
Ef-man
05-27-2021, 10:53 AM
Everything is rumored at this point, Cindy
Don't get salty on me hater.
Covid did not start in VA.
baseline bum
05-27-2021, 10:58 AM
Crazy shit. First all governments swore this was natural to the point of using tech giants to censor and ban doubters.
Now all governments are basically admiting this was probably manmade :lmao
Thats why you should trust ZERO governments.
From the guy who trusts Putin and Assad
I'm teasing Dale, buttinski. I know perfectly well what "ignore" means in this context -- it means that his posts aren't visible to me, not that I'm under any obligation to ignore him, you silly pedant. :lol
It's a public forum. If you want privacy use a private message.
If you use the ignore function, you've actively chosen to ignore him. Furthermore, you're bragging about it to him which defeats the purpose.
Maybe spend more time sobering up and less time trying to sound cultured.
ChumpDumper
05-27-2021, 11:12 AM
:lol DMC mad and ordering people around.
TimDunkem
05-27-2021, 11:18 AM
Your guy ain't no better, TD. Mother fucker Biden said he had a plan but wouldn't divulge till after he got sworn this past January 20th. That was over 200k of dead Americans and counting later. He's lost 1600 Americans the first 3 days of this week!
You hid your shit.
hater
05-27-2021, 11:22 AM
Don't get salty on me hater.
Covid did not start in VA.
Noone knows for sure, Cindy
hater
05-27-2021, 11:22 AM
From the guy who trusts Putin and Assad
I trust assad and pootin as much as I trust the US govmt :tu
U should too ma nig
spurraider21
05-27-2021, 11:23 AM
Joseph Kony
1397933908730204164
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05-27-2021, 11:36 AM
You hid your shit.
Don't start that shit. I figured you'd be the last to start it and yet here you come. GD it, I can't count on a single solitary soul. Even TSA cast me down with the gd sodomites.
Winehole23
05-27-2021, 11:47 AM
It's a public forum. If you want privacy use a private message.
If you use the ignore function, you've actively chosen to ignore him. Furthermore, you're bragging about it to him which defeats the purpose..Of teasing Dale?
I think not.
Winehole23
05-27-2021, 11:52 AM
lol @ DMC grumping about me using "fancy" English words
Ef-man
05-27-2021, 12:05 PM
lol @ DMC grumping about me using "fancy" English words
Is ST looking for a forum etiquette enforcer, as dmc is strutting his stuff.
TimDunkem
05-27-2021, 12:07 PM
Don't start that shit. I figured you'd be the last to start it and yet here you come. GD it, I can't count on a single solitary soul. Even TSA cast me down with the gd sodomites.
You
Hid
YOUR
SHIT.
Noone knows for sure, Cindy
We know it didn't, Karen. Be real.
hater
05-27-2021, 12:51 PM
We know it didn't, Karen. Be real.
You dont know for sure, Melody
You dont know for sure, Melody
I know for sure, Karen. We all know.
hater
05-27-2021, 01:09 PM
I know for sure, Karen. We all know.
You keep repeating this. But you really dont know for sure, Melody.
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05-27-2021, 03:42 PM
You
Hid
YOUR
SHIT.
"This is a conspiracy is what this is. I want him found. Not after breakfast, now!"
TimDunkem
05-27-2021, 04:09 PM
"This is a conspiracy is what this is. I want him found. Not after breakfast, now!"
You ain't no Andy Dufresne.
pgardn
05-27-2021, 04:53 PM
Not sure, Urine
If I had to bet I would stilm bet on it being natural. But very interesting coincidences as well.
Why would you bet on it being natural?
Dont answer that. You dont know.
For a while you actually were reading stuff about viruses. You mentioned the idea that they might not be considered alive. And I thought you understood why this is a tough call for biology. But you stopped reading.
pgardn
05-27-2021, 05:00 PM
Noone knows for sure, Cindy
Heaven should be implicated as well in its genesis.
Lets establish some probabilities how about? VERY improbable.
The Biden adm. is putting pressure on China as it should just like Trump did.
With the exception Trump made sure to lead people to think it was manufactured in China.
Again, China (the government) was zero help when the symptoms of the disease showed up in large groups in China.
The Chinese docs did not see it this way and did tell us it was very bad there, and potentially bad for the world.
Winehole23
05-27-2021, 05:03 PM
Is ST looking for a forum etiquette enforcer, as dmc is strutting his stuff.nah, DMC is nursing a grudge. plots revenge, beclowns himself.
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05-27-2021, 06:15 PM
You ain't no Andy Dufresne.
That doesn't stop you all from casting me down in there with those sodomites, TD. And me in fuzzy britches.
boutons_deux
05-27-2021, 08:11 PM
Ex-White House insider reveals how the Trump team pushed a COVID lab leak theory to find a 'scapegoat'
https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNjQ4Mjg1Mi9vcmlnaW4 ucG5nIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY2MDg4MDExMn0.uiKRL_IYf g2W-iypphYt3lLuZYRJBWNRPh4ycvZvB4Q/image.png?width=1200&height=645
Olivia Troye, a Republican who served on Trump's Coronavirus Task Force before resigning in protest,
discusses the theory in an article published by The Bulwark (https://thebulwark.com/how-the-trump-administration-twisted-coronavirus-intelligence/) this week,
outlining some ways in which Trump and his allies used it as a political weapon in 2020.
The 44-year-old Troye, a native of El Paso, recalls that in February 2020, Pence "issued further questions about the lab leak theory to the intelligence community."
"In his requests for more information," Troye explains,
"it wasn't Pence's behavior that was questionable, but his apparent motives.
On February 26, Pence was announced as the new head of the White House's coronavirus task force….
Finding evidence for the lab leak theory seemed to become a public relations imperative.
So, the lab leak theory remained popular in the vice president's office."
Other Trump allies who aggressively promoted the lab leak theory, according to Troye,
ranged from Trump economic adviser Peter Navarro :lol to then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo :lol
Navarro, a Trump aide on economics and trade, embraced and espoused an exaggerated version of the "lab leak" theory both within the White House and publicly.
Navarro .... Dr. Anthony Fauci had secretly directed the development and spread of the virus. :lol scapegoat!
Trump let his country down by approaching COVID-19 as a political issue rather than a health issue.
Throughout the course of the pandemic,
the Trump administration's first and strongest instinct was to
find a scapegoat rather than formulate a response.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-lab-leak-theory
DarrinS
05-27-2021, 08:15 PM
You can still hate Trump and believe lab leak theory.
boutons_deux
05-27-2021, 09:48 PM
You can still hate Trump and believe lab leak theory.
believe? this ain't hocus pocus Religion where shit is "believed" w/o evidence
There's no evidence for lab leak theory. When the evidence is proven, I will accept it, not "believe" it
The lady's point was the the Chinese lab leak + Fauci were to be tha "Chinese virus" scapegoats for The Trump-Made Pandemic.
Scapegoating was their political priority, not addressing, managing, solving the public health disaster that Trash created.
pgardn
05-27-2021, 11:06 PM
believe? this ain't hocus pocus Religion where shit is "believed" w/o evidence
There's no evidence for lab leak theory. When the evidence is proven, I will accept it, not "believe" it
The lady's point was the the Chinese lab leak + Fauci were to be tha "Chinese virus" scapegoats for The Trump-Made Pandemic.
Scapegoating was their political priority, not addressing, managing, solving the public health disaster that Trash created.
Do more of this type of posting.
Please.
boutons_deux
05-28-2021, 12:09 PM
Sheriff's deputy who was fond of posting anti-vaccine videos dies of COVID-19
https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNjQ4NTgyNy9vcmlnaW4 uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTYzMDUyODQ3NX0.t_cPfz3ud ykQhLJ1r0CyBrMLg4a-6da3_mH-3gkgh0s/image.jpg?width=1200&height=675
A Colorado sheriff's deputy who was fond of sharing anti-vaccine content on Facebook has died of COVID-19,
Daniel "Duke" Trujillo, 33
posts from Trujillo that rejected the COVID-19 vaccine.
A Facebook profile photo he posted in early May said,
"I have an immune system," suggesting that he could fight off the virus naturally.
In late April, he posted a profile picture that read, "I don't care if you've had your vaccine."
"You f***sticks are really out on social media
https://www.rawstory.com/anti-vaxx-sheriffs-deputy
Covid-19 virus stuck its own "f***stick" right through MachMan's immune system. Ignorant fuck, typifies sheriff deputies.
Ef-man
05-28-2021, 12:22 PM
Sheriff's deputy who was fond of posting anti-vaccine videos dies of COVID-19
https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNjQ4NTgyNy9vcmlnaW4 uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTYzMDUyODQ3NX0.t_cPfz3ud ykQhLJ1r0CyBrMLg4a-6da3_mH-3gkgh0s/image.jpg?width=1200&height=675
A Colorado sheriff's deputy who was fond of sharing anti-vaccine content on Facebook has died of COVID-19,
Daniel "Duke" Trujillo, 33
posts from Trujillo that rejected the COVID-19 vaccine.
A Facebook profile photo he posted in early May said,
"I have an immune system," suggesting that he could fight off the virus naturally.
In late April, he posted a profile picture that read, "I don't care if you've had your vaccine."
"You f***sticks are really out on social media
https://www.rawstory.com/anti-vaxx-sheriffs-deputy
Covid-19 virus stuck its own "f***stick" right through MachMan's immune system. Ignorant fuck, typifies sheriff deputies.
A Darwin award winner. Nice!
boutons_deux
05-28-2021, 12:33 PM
Anti-vaxxer diner owner will charge customers an extra $5 if they wear masks
The owner of a diner in northern California
who has become notorious for defying public health orders during the COVID-19 pandemic
is now charging customers an extra $5 if they dare wear masks into his establishment.
https://www.rawstory.com/anti-vaxxer-diner-owner-will-charge-customers-an-extra-5-if-they-wear-masks
hater
06-01-2021, 11:35 PM
Interview with Epidemiologist Luc Montaigner:
If we look at the curve from the WHO, since the vaccinations started in January, the curve showing new infections (contamination) has exploded, along with deaths.
Notably among young people.
—Yes. With thromboses, etc.
How do you view the mass vaccination program? Mass vaccination compared to treatments that work and aren’t expensive.
—It’s an enormous mistake, isn’t it? A scientific error as well as a medical error. It is an unacceptable mistake. The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants.
—For the China virus, there are antibodies, created by the vaccine. What does the virus do? Does it die or find another solution?
—The new variants are a production and result from the vaccination. You see it in each country, it’s the same: the curve of vaccination is followed by the curve of deaths.
—I’m following this closely and I am doing experiments at the Institute with patients who became sick with Corona after being vaccinated. I will show you that they are creating the variants that are resistant to the vaccine.
Should we be vaccinating during a pandemic?
—It’s unthinkable.
—They’re silent… many people know this, epidemiologists know it.
—It is the antibodies produced by the virus that enable an infection to become stronger.
—It’s what we call Antibody Dependent Enhancement, which means antibodies favor a certain infection. The antibody attaches to the virus, from that moment it has the receptors, the antibodies, we have them in the macrophage etc.
—It pokes the virus and not accidentally, but because of the fact that they’re linked to the antibodies.
—It is clear that the new variants are created by antibody-mediated selection due to the vaccination. OK?
Hopefully hes wrong. Although he did discover HIV
Winehole23
06-02-2021, 12:04 AM
Maybe we should have let it wash through us. Like a cleansing.
hater
06-02-2021, 12:11 AM
Maybe we should have let it wash through us. Like a cleansing.
We should find out the answer to your question in 2 , 3 years tops tbqh
Winehole23
06-02-2021, 12:14 AM
We should find out the answer to your question in 2 , 3 years tops tbqhGood luck with that wild guess.
hater
06-02-2021, 12:19 AM
Good luck with that wild guess.
Good luck to us :tu
Im rooting for the HIV guy being wrong :tu
ElNono
06-02-2021, 02:27 AM
Interview with Epidemiologist Luc Montaigner:
If we look at the curve from the WHO, since the vaccinations started in January, the curve showing new infections (contamination) has exploded, along with deaths.
Notably among young people.
—Yes. With thromboses, etc.
How do you view the mass vaccination program? Mass vaccination compared to treatments that work and aren’t expensive.
—It’s an enormous mistake, isn’t it? A scientific error as well as a medical error. It is an unacceptable mistake. The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants.
—For the China virus, there are antibodies, created by the vaccine. What does the virus do? Does it die or find another solution?
—The new variants are a production and result from the vaccination. You see it in each country, it’s the same: the curve of vaccination is followed by the curve of deaths.
—I’m following this closely and I am doing experiments at the Institute with patients who became sick with Corona after being vaccinated. I will show you that they are creating the variants that are resistant to the vaccine.
Should we be vaccinating during a pandemic?
—It’s unthinkable.
—They’re silent… many people know this, epidemiologists know it.
—It is the antibodies produced by the virus that enable an infection to become stronger.
—It’s what we call Antibody Dependent Enhancement, which means antibodies favor a certain infection. The antibody attaches to the virus, from that moment it has the receptors, the antibodies, we have them in the macrophage etc.
—It pokes the virus and not accidentally, but because of the fact that they’re linked to the antibodies.
—It is clear that the new variants are created by antibody-mediated selection due to the vaccination. OK?
Hopefully hes wrong. Although he did discover HIV
Montagnier has promoted several controversial and unverified claims surrounding vaccinations, homeopathy and the COVID-19 pandemic.[6] For instance, his criticism of the French government's vaccine program prompted widespread outcry in the scientific community.[7] In 2017, 106 academic scientists wrote an open letter “calling [the professor] to order”. The letter read: “We, academics of medicine, cannot accept that one of our peers is using his Nobel prize [status] to spread dangerous health messages outside of his field of knowledge."
Well, I mean, at least scientists did complain he's full of shit.
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06-02-2021, 04:39 AM
Good luck to us :tu
Im rooting for the HIV guy being wrong :tu
Amen. He told us in the circa that only 35% of HIV'er's would develop AIDs. The fuck knew that was a lie, but swore to it nonetheless.
boutons_deux
06-02-2021, 07:49 AM
"since the vaccinations started in January, the curve showing new infections (contamination) has exploded, along with deaths."
:lol only in populations that are not vaccinated, eg, China, Brazil, etc
"Luc Montagnier ; born 18 August 1932) is a French virologist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virology) and joint recipient, with Françoise Barré-Sinoussi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7oise_Barr%C3%A9-Sinoussi) and Harald zur Hausen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_zur_Hausen), of the 2008 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_in_Physiology_or_Medicine) for
his discovery of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV))."
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier
============
"China's Sinovac coronavirus vaccine was approved (https://mnr.email.newsweek.com/api/email/trc?email=darnocnel%40gmail.com&ep=eyJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy5uZXdzd2Vlay5jb20vY2h pbmFzLXNpbm92YWMtY292aWQtMTktdmFjY2luZS01MC1lZmZpY 2FjeS1yYXRlLWdldHMtd2hvLWFwcHJvdmFsLTE1OTY1Njk%2Fd XRtX3NvdXJjZT1QdXNobmFtaU1haWxpbmcmdXRtX21lZGl1bT1 lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249Tm90aWNlYm9hcmQmc3Vic2Nya WJlcklkPTYwM2E4N2VkZTk0ODM4ZTVhMTJjZjQzZiIsImNhbXB haWduSWQiOiI2MGI3NjEyZDdmOWExNjAwMTNhZjA4ZmQiLCJhZ GRpdGlvbmFsVGFncyI6eyJjcmVhdGl2ZUluZGV4IjowLCJzZW5 kZXJJbmRleCI6MCwic3ViamVjdEluZGV4IjowfX0%3D) by the WHO for emergency use in adults 18 and older.
COVID-19 deaths in the Brazilian city of Serrana
decreased by 95 percent (https://mnr.email.newsweek.com/api/email/trc?email=darnocnel%40gmail.com&ep=eyJ1cmwiOiJodHRwczovL3d3dy5uZXdzd2Vlay5jb20vYnJ hemlsaWFuLWNpdHktc2Vlcy1jb3ZpZC0xOS1kZWF0aHMtZmFsb C05NS1hZnRlci1zaW5vdmFjLXZhY2NpbmUtdXNlZC0xNTk2NjM 1P3V0bV9zb3VyY2U9UHVzaG5hbWlNYWlsaW5nJnV0bV9tZWRpd W09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPU5vdGljZWJvYXJkJnN1YnN jcmliZXJJZD02MDNhODdlZGU5NDgzOGU1YTEyY2Y0M2YiLCJjY W1wYWlnbklkIjoiNjBiNzYxMmQ3ZjlhMTYwMDEzYWYwOGZkIiw iYWRkaXRpb25hbFRhZ3MiOnsiY3JlYXRpdmVJbmRleCI6MCwic 2VuZGVySW5kZXgiOjAsInN1YmplY3RJbmRleCI6MH19) after all adult residents were offered a trial Sinovac vaccine."
-- MIT email
hater
06-02-2021, 09:01 AM
Montagnier has promoted several controversial and unverified claims surrounding vaccinations, homeopathy and the COVID-19 pandemic.[6] For instance, his criticism of the French government's vaccine program prompted widespread outcry in the scientific community.[7] In 2017, 106 academic scientists wrote an open letter “calling [the professor] to order”. The letter read: “We, academics of medicine, cannot accept that one of our peers is using his Nobel prize [status] to spread dangerous health messages outside of his field of knowledge."
Well, I mean, at least scientists did complain he's full of shit.
Lol they complained.
hater
06-02-2021, 09:02 AM
Amen. He told us in the circa that only 35% of HIV'er's would develop AIDs. The fuck knew that was a lie, but swore to it nonetheless.
:tu
That was when most other science men were saying it only affects fagggots :lol
Lets hope he has the Biden malady and is senile.
boutons_deux
06-02-2021, 03:51 PM
Joe offering free beer on the 4th to anyone who get vaxxed that day.
What about a free mj smoke?
also promoting 'shots at the (barber) shop'
koriwhat
06-02-2021, 04:00 PM
Joe offering free beer on the 4th to anyone who get vaxxed that day.
What about a free mj smoke?
also promoting 'shots at the (barber) shop'
No salads for fat fucks but instead krispy kreme... This whole CHINA VIRUS vaccine shit is nonsense.
Winehole23
06-02-2021, 08:57 PM
Rebekah Jones, the COVID Whistleblower Who Wasn’t
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/05/rebekah-jones-the-covid-whistleblower-who-wasnt/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueCharles Cooke is wrong. Rebekah Jones has been granted whitleblower status
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Winehole23
06-02-2021, 09:04 PM
1400218354510671872
DarrinS
06-02-2021, 09:08 PM
:lmao
DarrinS
06-02-2021, 09:12 PM
Rebekah Jones represented by Dick Johnson.
:lmao
Winehole23
06-02-2021, 09:15 PM
Rebekah Jones represented by Dick Johnson.
:lmaoyou posted crap :lmao
DarrinS
06-02-2021, 09:27 PM
you posted crap :lmao
I'm sure things will work out great for Rebekah Jones.
Winehole23
06-02-2021, 09:33 PM
I'm sure things will work out great for Rebekah Jones.in all likelihood Florida will pay through the nose for retaliating against Jones. DeSantis will get a black eye for fudging COVID data regardless.
DarrinS
06-02-2021, 09:34 PM
in all likelihood Florida will pay through the nose for retaliating against Jones. DeSantis will get a black eye for fudging COVID data regardless.
If you say so. Circle back. :lol
Winehole23
06-02-2021, 09:51 PM
COVID long haulers develop rare autonomic disorders
Dr. Peter Rowe of Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, a prominent researcher who has treated POTS and CFS patients for 25 years, said every doctor with expertise in POTS is seeing long-haul Covid patients with POTS, and every long-Covid patient he has seen with CFS also had POTS. He expects the lack of medical treatment to worsen.
“Decades of neglect of POTS and CFS have set us up to fail miserably,” said Rowe, one of the authors of a recent paper (https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.668944/full) on CFS triggered by Covid.
The prevalence of POTS was documented in an international survey of 3,762 long-Covid patients, leading researchers to conclude that all Covid patients who have rapid heartbeat, dizziness, brain fog or fatigue “should be screened for POTS.”
A “significant infusion of health care resources and a significant additional research investment” will be needed to address the growing caseload, the American Autonomic Society said in a recent statement (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33740207/).
https://khn.org/news/article/covid-long-haul-illness-pots-autonomic-disorder/
boutons_deux
06-03-2021, 11:06 AM
https://www.laprogressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Big-Pharma-India.jpg
Winehole23
06-04-2021, 06:36 AM
this is in line with studies of the 1918 influenza pandemic. it seems non-medical interventions mitigate both mortality and economic damage.
(as mentioned in the comments, the UCLA forecast seems to exclude droughts and wildfires.)
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Thread
06-04-2021, 06:54 AM
this is in line with studies of the 1918 influenza pandemic. it seems non-medical interventions mitigate both mortality and economic damage.
(as mentioned in the comments, the UCLA forecast seems to exclude droughts and wildfires.)
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Boiled down:::mother fucker Biden lost another 574 American's yesterday to COVID, Winester.
Big shot.
hater
06-04-2021, 06:58 AM
Charles Cooke is wrong. Rebekah Jones has been granted whitleblower status
1400087397853970440
:lmao
Winehole23
06-04-2021, 07:15 AM
DeSantis tore a page or two from the Chinese playbook, his administration fudged data, lied to the public and cracked down on deviations from the party line.
Sworn affidavits from DOH leaders acknowledge Jones’ often-denied claim that she was told to remove data from public access after questions from the Miami Herald.
And a position statement filed by DOH challenges the centerpiece of DeSantis’ pandemic victory narrative (https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_eet/exclusive-documentary-desantis-florida-vs-lockdowns_3834081.html): that his strategy to reopen the state was created in a “very measured, thoughtful and data-driven way (https://apnews.com/article/488ba384aab28509e6b3c4489b221e02).” In other words, it would be safe.
The governor’s step-by-step reopening plan was published with a cover letter claiming the plan put “public health-driven data at the forefront” and boasting “benchmarks” the document claimed were identified by the Florida Department of Health based on criteria from the White House.
But those claims were contradicted in a DOH position statement filed Aug. 17, stating that while Jones and a team of DOH epidemiologists had been tapped “to develop new data for a reopening plan” employing key metrics from the White House, their findings were never incorporated into the recommendations to DeSantis. Deputy Secretary of Health Shamarial Roberson denied the department made any recommendations on the reopening plan at all.
“An external task force was created by the Executive Office of the Governor to make recommendations to the Governor on reopening, as that was not a function of FDOH,” wrote Roberson.
The subsequent reopening was followed by a five-fold surge in COVID-19 cases in Florida last July (https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/7/17/21324398/florida-coronavirus-covid-cases-deaths-outbreak) and some of the single-highest daily case totals across the nation.
https://www.miamiherald.com/article251838913.html
hater
06-08-2021, 04:48 AM
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1402062069508325376?s=19
hater
06-08-2021, 04:50 AM
https://twitter.com/Teslanomous/status/1400828011323092993?s=19
hater
06-08-2021, 04:59 AM
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1399329119779934208?s=19
boutons_deux
06-08-2021, 09:36 AM
Vietnam is a COVID success story (https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/08/1070852),
with one of the lowest rates of infection and death in the world. Vietnam’s excellent community-based public health system prevented the virus from spreading beyond isolated cases and localized outbreaks, without a nationwide lockdown.
With a population of 98 million people, Vietnam has had only 8,883 cases and 53 deaths.
However, more than half of Vietnam’s cases and deaths have come in the last two months, and
three-quarters of the new cases have been infected with a new “hybrid” variant that combines the two mutations detected separately in the Alpha (U.K.) and Delta (India) variants.
The way this new variant has spread so quickly in a country that has defeated every previous form of the virus suggests that
this one is much more infectious.
The Lancet medical journal has found that the Alpha (U.K.), Beta (South Africa) and Delta (India) variants are
all more resistant to existing vaccines than the original COVID virus, and
the Delta variant is still spreading in countries with aggressive vaccination programs, including the U.K.
https://www.laprogressive.com/mutating-virus
Trill Clinton
06-08-2021, 09:45 AM
So many people walking around HEB without masks. I know they see that big ass sign that says "Masks are required"
DarrinS
06-08-2021, 10:02 AM
So many people walking around HEB without masks. I know they see that big ass sign that says "Masks are required"
:cry
pgardn
06-08-2021, 10:08 AM
These variants will keep arising and the vaccine we have will keep on working.
The variants thus far that are the most concerning of course are those that are more infectious.
And so far in EVERY one of them, the vaccine has proven effective, even more effective than previous strains in some cases.
Vigilance is important. But scare tactics rule on this board.
hater wants these variants to kill in the worst way so he can cry that the universe has ceased to exist.
Trill Clinton
06-08-2021, 10:09 AM
:cry
When you lose family and friends because of the virus you take it personal when people don't take it serious.
pgardn
06-08-2021, 10:10 AM
So many people walking around HEB without masks. I know they see that big ass sign that says "Masks are required"
Not in the HEB I frequent.
And in airports and aboard in airplanes, EVERYONE is masked if not eating or drinking. At least in Houston, Denver, Dallas and Atlanta. SA as well.
Now if you go into smaller rural areas, I see the majority of people inside stores not masked, even if the stores have a sign up. Even the cashiers.
DarrinS
06-08-2021, 10:13 AM
When you lose family and friends because of the virus you take it personal when people don't take it serious.
CDC says vaccinated people don't need to mask.
pgardn
06-08-2021, 10:16 AM
CDC says vaccinated people don't need to mask.
IN airports and on airplanes?
Trill Clinton
06-08-2021, 10:23 AM
CDC says vaccinated people don't need to mask.
HEB hasn't changed their mask policy
DarrinS
06-08-2021, 10:35 AM
HEB hasn't changed their mask policy
If the sight of unmasked people frightens you, order online and pickup.
At my local grocery, employees aren't even wearing masks anymore.
Trill Clinton
06-08-2021, 10:44 AM
If the sight of unmasked people frightens you, order online and pickup.
At my local grocery, employees aren't even wearing masks anymore.
They should order online and pickup if they can't follow store policy. Which HEB do you shop at? The one on 3009 every employee is masked up.
Trill Clinton
06-08-2021, 10:45 AM
Crazy how I should inconvenience myself for people who can't follow rules lol
DarrinS
06-08-2021, 10:48 AM
They should order online and pickup if they can't follow store policy. Which HEB do you shop at? The one on 3009 every employee is masked up.
I go to Walmart. No outdated mask policy.
boutons_deux
06-08-2021, 10:57 AM
https://preview.redd.it/n7e1vpjgeu371.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&1be54fe9
InRareForm
06-08-2021, 11:07 AM
What is Moderna efficacy against delta strain?
hater
06-08-2021, 11:08 AM
They should order online and pickup if they can't follow store policy. Which HEB do you shop at? The one on 3009 every employee is masked up.
Your governor said masks off.
You might want to move to another state.
Im on my way to florida but wont be losing much sleeep at ppl not wearing masks. Ilm still be wearing my KN95 everywhere.
Good thing is Ill be in the touristy area so im sure most wear masks or at least half.
boutons_deux
06-08-2021, 02:12 PM
Former Wisconsin pharmacist who tampered with COVID vaccines sentenced to 3 years in federal prison
https://weigel-news.s3.amazonaws.com/LMQpz-1623168080-198082-blog-Grafton%20pharmacist%20vaccine%20Steven%20Brandenb urg%20.jpg
Brandenburg was fired from Advocate Aurora Hospital after admitting
to intentionally removing more than 500 doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine from refrigeration.
https://www.cbs58.com/news/former-wisconsin-pharmacist-who-tampered-with-covid-vaccines-sentenced-to-3-years-in-federal-prison (https://www.cbs58.com/news/former-wisconsin-pharmacist-who-tampered-with-covid-vaccines-sentenced-to-3-years-in-federal-prison)
I suppose he will lose is pharmacist license?
pgardn
06-08-2021, 03:07 PM
What is Moderna efficacy against delta strain?
I don’t think they have any preliminary numbers on this yet. but the Pfizer and Astra are good. Indicates the Moderno should be fine as well.
The problem with the strain is it is very good at infecting younger age groups 12 to 20.
This age group in the US has a lower percentage of vaccinated individuals so it could make a run through this group
CosmicCowboy
06-08-2021, 03:33 PM
So many people walking around HEB without masks. I know they see that big ass sign that says "Masks are required"
HEB doesn't require masks, and as someone that has not only been vaccinated but already had it, I'm not going to wear one there.
spurraider21
06-08-2021, 03:38 PM
mask requirements in our area have been dropped at the local Kroger, Trader Joe's, etc
most people still wearing them though
Winehole23
06-08-2021, 03:41 PM
HEB doesn't require masks, and as someone that has not only been vaccinated but already had it, I'm not going to wear one there.If they did require it for some reason, would you respect that?
It seems Abbott's announcement steps on the rights of owners somewhat. Don't they get to make the rules for their own place of business?
I can eject you from my business for a good reason, a bad reason or no reason at all, right?
Trill Clinton
06-08-2021, 05:04 PM
HEB doesn't require masks, and as someone that has not only been vaccinated but already had it, I'm not going to wear one there.
Yes they do.
InRareForm
06-08-2021, 09:42 PM
For what is more troubling is I assume is that the variants (delta for example) only gives a possibility of another more troubling variant branched off of in the future. The good news (i am guessing) a booster shot would be high chance of being produced to counter that . But people not vaccinated are going to be at risk with more and more variants in circulation.
DarrinS
06-09-2021, 12:05 AM
For what is more troubling is I assume is that the variants (delta for example) only gives a possibility of another more troubling variant branched off of in the future. The good news (i am guessing) a booster shot would be high chance of being produced to counter that . But people not vaccinated are going to be at risk with more and more variants in circulation.
Its over
Winehole23
06-09-2021, 07:15 AM
Its over:lmao
boutons_deux
06-09-2021, 07:16 AM
Spreading Vaccine Fears, And Cashing In
Meet the influencers making millions by dealing doubt about coronavirus vaccines.
More than 450,000 people signed up to view the series the year it debuted, according to figures the Bollingers posted online, and 25,000 bought copies. At the price Simpson paid, the couple would have grossed $5 million in sales.
For the Bollingers and a network of similar influencers, speaking out against vaccines, including the coronavirus shots, is not just a personal crusade. It’s also a profitable business.
https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/spreading-fears-cashing-in-anti-vaccine/
boutons_deux
06-09-2021, 02:12 PM
Leading biologist dampens his ‘smoking gun’ Covid lab leak theory
Nobel laureate David Baltimore says he overstated case, and
the origins of the virus are still unknown
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/09/leading-biologist-dampens-his-smoking-gun-covid-lab-leak-theory?
boutons_deux
06-10-2021, 01:30 PM
Delta variant accounts for 6 percent of new U.S. coronavirus infections
Yet vaccines appear to be highly effective against this version of the virus that has quickly spread into Great Britain and elsewhere.
“It’s essentially taking over” in the United Kingdom (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/delta-variant-uk-reopening/2021/06/08/adb0aa5e-c7ca-11eb-8708-64991f2acf28_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_5), Fauci said at a briefing for reporters.
“We cannot let that happen in the United States, which is such a powerful argument” for vaccination, he said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/us-delta-variant/2021/06/08/15c10760-c86b-11eb-81b1-34796c7393af_story.html
boutons_deux
06-14-2021, 07:54 AM
Delta spreading rapidly in UK, esp among the under-40 demographic.
Delta is now a significant %age of USA infections
As infections rise, England braces for delay in reopenings
https://apnews.com/article/england-europe-g-7-summit-coronavirus-pandemic-health-c11a3d9dcbcd3655d7578ea20e7efc1d
16,000 Confederate Southern Baptists in convention soon, probably most Trash cult members, no vax, no masks against the hoax.
How many will be infected?
Winehole23
06-14-2021, 08:24 AM
Delta spreading rapidly in UK, esp among the under-40 demographic.
Delta is now a significant %age of USA infections
As infections rise, England braces for delay in reopenings
https://apnews.com/article/england-europe-g-7-summit-coronavirus-pandemic-health-c11a3d9dcbcd3655d7578ea20e7efc1d
16,000 Confederate Southern Baptists in convention soon, probably most Trash cult members, no vax, no masks against the hoax.
How many will be infected?
The good news is that fully vaccinated folks are robustly protected. The bad news is that partially vaccinated people aren't and Delta is more contagious than the strains that drove previous waves, the reproduction number is estimated to be between 5-8.
Could be a rough cold and flu season in schools and undervaccinated parts of the country.
boutons_deux
06-14-2021, 06:27 PM
Capitalism rides again
Concerns Mount Over Looming Surge in Bankruptcy as COVID Medical Debt Soars
As many as 12.5 million Americans could already be saddled with COVID-related medical debt
The nationally representative poll found that 60 percent of the respondents polled had medical debt, with about 10 percent stemming from the virus;
the amount typically owed ranged from $5,000 to $9,999.
That suggests the collective debt for COVID treatment so far could be between $60 billion and $125 billion.
https://www.newsweek.com/concerns-mount-over-looming-surge-bankruptcy-covid-medical-debt-soars-1599755
Fuck Capitalism for fucking America
Winehole23
06-14-2021, 10:21 PM
new confirmed cases ticking up in Texas and Florida, per Johns Hopkins/CSSE data
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/covid-cases-south-1.png
redzero
06-15-2021, 03:56 AM
Why are people getting butthurt because Jon Stewart believes that COVID-19 spread from as a result of a lab leak? It's been over a year and the pangolin-bat theory seems no more credible.
LaSíSí
06-15-2021, 03:58 AM
Junk filter thread, tbh.
Thread
06-15-2021, 09:17 AM
Why are people getting butthurt because Jon Stewart believes that COVID-19 spread from as a result of a lab leak? It's been over a year and the pangolin-bat theory seems no more credible.
red!!! Sweetheart!!!!!! Pumpkinpuss!!!!!!!!!
Bueno to see you old and dear enemy. You and I hammer & tonged for years. How have you been, you SOB, you?
Thread
06-15-2021, 09:23 AM
The good news is that fully vaccinated folks are robustly protected. The bad news is that partially vaccinated people aren't and Delta is more contagious than the strains that drove previous waves, the reproduction number is estimated to be between 5-8.
Could be a rough cold and flu season in schools and undervaccinated parts of the country.
Not really, tights, (they'll) switch it/deaths (99%) back to the regular flu from COVID-19. (They) wanted to do that on 1-20 of this year, but they weren't all sure we wouldn't catch on..."Just wait, we stole it, it's our, but don't get happy, lay low, we'll get hit hard, yes, I figure to about a quarter million dead on our end of it, but we'll shift all the shit over to regular flu come September! Yes, that's our salvation. That old Florida Fuck will still lead our President something like 400k of dead Americans to just over a quarter million dead Americans. We win again. C'mon, let's go over Dunkin' and get a dozen, bring your masks. Then luncheon!!! This being President is a lot of fun. That fuckin' Floridan got a taste of it and it just chaps my hide that he did. GD outsider. CHOW!"
ChumpDumper
06-15-2021, 10:28 AM
Junk filter thread, tbh.:lol you were bleeding all night long, derp.
boutons_deux
06-15-2021, 11:41 AM
COVID: Delta variant cases ‘doubling every two weeks’ in U.S.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/06/14/covid-delta-variant-cases-doubling-every-two-weeks-in-u-s/
Delta is now the dominant variant in UK. re-opening delayed by 1 month. (I expect it will be delayed more as delta spreads)
Delta spreads more easily, makes you sicker, and send a higher %age of victims to hospital.
pgardn
06-15-2021, 01:31 PM
Why are people getting butthurt because Jon Stewart believes that COVID-19 spread from as a result of a lab leak? It's been over a year and the pangolin-bat theory seems no more credible.
That is not the only "natural" origin theory. The basic idea is it went from animals to humans. NOT from a lab leak.
I'll put money on the natural origin. Worse than this, the red team has been told its manmade from various nutty TSA-like sources... I will take big bucks for that being mega wrong. And yes it was good for Trump AND Biden to hold China responsible for NOT GIVING US early info. Not for making a fkn virus, this is nuts.
pgardn
06-15-2021, 01:32 PM
COVID: Delta variant cases ‘doubling every two weeks’ in U.S.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/06/14/covid-delta-variant-cases-doubling-every-two-weeks-in-u-s/
Delta is now the dominant variant in UK. re-opening delayed by 1 month. (I expect it will be delayed more as delta spreads)
Delta spreads more easily, makes you sicker, and send a higher %age of victims to hospital.
Stupid shit antivaccers.
And they are not solely on the red team.
redzero
06-15-2021, 02:43 PM
That is not the only "natural" origin theory. The basic idea is it went from animals to humans. NOT from a lab leak.
I'll put money on the natural origin. Worse than this, the red team has been told its manmade from various nutty TSA-like sources... I will take big bucks for that being mega wrong. And yes it was good for Trump AND Biden to hold China responsible for NOT GIVING US early info. Not for making a fkn virus, this is nuts.
It's been well over a year, and this "natural theory" does not seem more likely at all. Where is the evidence?
It's not even "nutty" anymore to claim that it was a lab leak. Fauci has not ruled that out as a possibility. FaceBook, who is not right wing, has decided to stop banning discussion about it being man-made. I don't know why people have such a visceral reaction to the idea of COVID-19 coming from a lab leak. Based off all this gain of function talk, the US could have played a part, too.
boutons_deux
06-15-2021, 03:54 PM
COVID revelation
Not where you'd expect: The National Institutes of Health found evidence that COVID-19 was in the U.S. way before it got on the public radar.
Our previous understanding had cases flowing from China and Europe to Seattle and New York City.
But the NIH study of blood samples found a handful of cases in Illinois, Mississippi, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin dating back to early January and perhaps December 2019, reports (https://link.axios.com/click/24158978.415310/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL2Nvcm9uYXZpcnVzLWFtZX JpY2Fucy1kZWNlbWJlci1jYXNlcy1uaWgtNzNkMDkzODktNTli Ni00OTVmLTg3NmMtMTYyM2M5MGUzMmMxLmh0bWw_dXRtX3NvdX JjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2Nh bXBhaWduPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3NwbSZzdHJlYW09dG9w/6004bc4704300c1ae269be66B82af4cf7) Axios' Eileen Drage O'Reilly.
Why it matters: This public transparency is important for the experts looking into when and where COVID-19 first emerged.
The CDC published its own data last year suggesting there were U.S. cases back in December 2019.
Earlier this year, the World Health Organization drew backlash for a report on COVID-19 origins, including for saying (https://link.axios.com/click/24158978.415310/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL3doby1jaGluYS1yZXBvcn QtY29yb25hdmlydXMtb3JpZ2lucy1lMWEwYjkxNy02MzAyLTQz N2QtOTU2Yy1hYTdkZjdjYjhmNDIuaHRtbD91dG1fc291cmNlPW 5ld3NsZXR0ZXImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fY2FtcGFp Z249bmV3c2xldHRlcl9heGlvc3BtJnN0cmVhbT10b3A/6004bc4704300c1ae269be66Bf5bc6ca7) it was more likely imported into China than the result of a lab leak.
Part of that backlash was because investigators were stonewalled by the Chinese government.
The big picture: U.S. federal health officials are increasingly accepting a timeline in which small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the U.S. before the world ever became aware of COVID-19 in China,
-- Axios PM email
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"small numbers of COVID-19 infections may have occurred in the U.S.
before the world ever became aware of a dangerous new virus erupting in China."
https://apnews.com/article/more-evidence-covid-in-us-by-christmas-2019-11346afc5e18eee81ebcf35d9e6caee2 (https://apnews.com/article/more-evidence-covid-in-us-by-christmas-2019-11346afc5e18eee81ebcf35d9e6caee2)
boutons_deux
06-15-2021, 03:56 PM
Coronavirus traces found in March 2019 sewage sample, Spanish study shows
Spanish virologists have found traces of the novel coronavirus in a sample of Barcelona waste water
collected in March 2019,
nine months before the COVID-19 disease was identified in China
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idINKBN23X2HQ
spurraider21
06-15-2021, 04:01 PM
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ChumpDumper
06-15-2021, 04:03 PM
derp still isn't going out this weekend.
spurraider21
06-15-2021, 05:00 PM
apparently last week MTG gave an interview with steve bannon where she said she does not believe the virus could have developed naturally because she does not believe in evolution :lol
Winehole23
06-15-2021, 05:47 PM
COVID hospitalizations tick up in Texas
https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-covid-hospitalizations-delta-variant/287-5c57394a-4972-4626-90b3-1526e087a1cc
pgardn
06-15-2021, 06:06 PM
It's been well over a year, and this "natural theory" does not seem more likely at all. Where is the evidence?
It's not even "nutty" anymore to claim that it was a lab leak. Fauci has not ruled that out as a possibility. FaceBook, who is not right wing, has decided to stop banning discussion about it being man-made. I don't know why people have such a visceral reaction to the idea of COVID-19 coming from a lab leak. Based off all this gain of function talk, the US could have played a part, too.
Has not ruled it out is VERY different than probable.
Probable is ABSOLUTELY animal to man. Very unlikely is a lab working with it. Super unlikely and beyond biology today is synthesized by scientists. YES. This is nutty.
I would bet you large sums of money. But no one holds to it.
The US played a part in it???????? lets get really nutty.
HOW? What did we do?
And the evidence is in the RNA sequence. Which is why it is classified the way it is. This is the best evidence. But you wont get that.
redzero
06-15-2021, 06:31 PM
Has not ruled it out is VERY different than probable.
Probable is ABSOLUTELY animal to man. Very unlikely is a lab working with it. Super unlikely and beyond biology today is synthesized by scientists. YES. This is nutty.
I would bet you large sums of money. But no one holds to it.
The US played a part in it???????? lets get really nutty.
HOW? What did we do?
And the evidence is in the RNA sequence. Which is why it is classified the way it is. This is the best evidence. But you wont get that.
The US, under Trump, allowed gain of function research and funded the Wuhan the Institute. I am not ruling out our culpability.
Again, where is this evidence of a natural origin? How did the virus pass from animals to humans, and which animals passed it on?
Winehole23
06-16-2021, 12:22 AM
COVID hospitalizations tick up in Texas
https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-covid-hospitalizations-delta-variant/287-5c57394a-4972-4626-90b3-1526e087a1ccOh but it's already over, right?
Winehole23
06-16-2021, 12:24 AM
Daily cases have stalled in the US. Not going down at the moment.
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06-16-2021, 12:45 AM
Daily cases have stalled in the US. Not going down at the moment.
I had my eye peeled on Indiana after they had that 130k crowd for the 500. Unfortunat, I mean fortunately nothing bad happened. tee, hee.
Winehole23
06-16-2021, 12:48 AM
I had my eye peeled on Indiana after they had that 130k crowd for the 500. Unfortunat, I mean fortunately nothing bad happened. tee, hee.Laugh it up, COVID ain't gone yet. Half the USA is still unprotected.
Winehole23
06-16-2021, 12:50 AM
A virus is a moving target. Billions of generations for a single human one.
Winehole23
06-16-2021, 12:56 AM
Anti-vaxxers of all stripes gonna eat shit this summer and fall.
Also, people who lack access to care, or can't afford to take a day off. Or are too poor, sick or disabled. Or just plain ignorant.
Trainwreck2100
06-16-2021, 01:09 AM
The US, under Trump, allowed gain of function research and funded the Wuhan the Institute. I am not ruling out our culpability.
Again, where is this evidence of a natural origin? How did the virus pass from animals to humans, and which animals passed it on?
i don't know man made was ruled out awhile ago by the scientists based on how it looked in sequence and functioned in the body. The lab leak theory doesn't have to mean man made virus, because apparently they would go deep into the fucking forest or caves, pick up samples, and take them to the lab.
Trainwreck2100
06-16-2021, 01:13 AM
Anti-vaxxers of all stripes gonna eat shit this summer and fall.
or us when one of these idiots gets infected, and the spike protein for the virus mutates into something the vaccines won't protect against. I got one member of my family who hasn't got the vaccine because she's trying to get pregnant and it hasn't been tested on pregnant women. Not really her fault she doesn't want to get it.
Winehole23
06-16-2021, 02:53 AM
or us when one of these idiots gets infected, and the spike protein for the virus mutates into something the vaccines won't protect against. I got one member of my family who hasn't got the vaccine because she's trying to get pregnant and it hasn't been tested on pregnant women. Not really her fault she doesn't want to get it.It's a personal decision.
Roll dem bones, but I'd rather not die of COVID. I'm fully vaxxed with zero adverse effects so far besides 1.5 days of low fever and chills. Nbd, tbh.
YMMV
redzero
06-16-2021, 03:49 AM
i don't know man made was ruled out awhile ago by the scientists based on how it looked in sequence and functioned in the body. The lab leak theory doesn't have to mean man made virus, because apparently they would go deep into the fucking forest or caves, pick up samples, and take them to the lab.
If gain of function research played a part in the spread of COVID-19, the virus wouldn't have had a natural origin. From what I understand, the lab leak theory was discredited by The WHO solely because the Wuhan lab and China said so, and they are obviously not reliable sources of information.
What really annoys me is the visceral reaction one got for even asking if COVID-19's origin wasn't natural. Why was the lab leak theory off-limits on social media and YouTube? Why do people get butthurt when one even mentions it? The most prominent theory is that COVID came from a disgusting Chinese wet market, so why do people think the lab leak theory is more offensive?
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06-16-2021, 06:32 AM
If gain of function research played a part in the spread of COVID-19, the virus wouldn't have had a natural origin. From what I understand, the lab leak theory was discredited by The WHO solely because the Wuhan lab and China said so, and they are obviously not reliable sources of information.
What really annoys me is the visceral reaction one got for even asking if COVID-19's origin wasn't natural. Why was the lab leak theory off-limits on social media and YouTube? Why do people get butthurt when one even mentions it? The most prominent theory is that COVID came from a disgusting Chinese wet market, so why do people think the lab leak theory is more offensive?
What, you don't speak to me no more? Hey, listen; this kid, shine your shoes till they were perfect. Ya pisser you, come on down here. I'm bustiin' your balls. I'm kiddin' you.........Tommy, go home and get your fuckin' shine box!
Winehole23
06-17-2021, 10:33 PM
Stud suggests COVID causes people to lose grey matter. Another arrow in the quiver of the zero tolerance approach.
This pandemic is going to have a very long tail.
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DarrinS
06-17-2021, 10:40 PM
Flccc has a long hauler protocol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYM2HW2Ayw
Winehole23
06-17-2021, 10:51 PM
Flccc has a long hauler protocol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYM2HW2Aywdoes it restore grey matter or reverse heart, lung, and kidney damage?
Winehole23
06-18-2021, 06:45 AM
get your shots before you go to Branson
Hospitalizations in both southwest and central Missouri are rising, with CoxHealth in Springfield reopening a coronavirus ICU wing closed in February (https://www.ky3.com/2021/02/18/coxhealth-closes-its-covid-19-icu-wing-at-cox-south-hospital/) as case numbers declined.
Steve Edwards, CEO of CoxHealth, tweeted Monday that his hospital was treating 48 COVID-19 patients, including two who were 16 years old, and the Delta variant was to blame.
“Those that aren’t vaccinated are sitting ducks,” Edwards wrote.
https://www.kcur.org/health/2021-06-14/missouri-tourist-hotspot-where-vaccination-rates-are-low-seeing-outbreak-of-covid-variant
boutons_deux
06-18-2021, 07:43 AM
Adults film themselves attacking kids for wearing masks —
just like Tucker Carlson said to
https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNjcyOTA4Ni9vcmlnaW4 ucG5nIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY3NTM3NjUyOX0.c7yvSs_4g SmVo9vOtbPStYDOPJFphM8nQVuzzUYa318/image.png?width=1200&height=675
Three kids were sitting on a bench in southeast Pennsylvania when adults came up to harass them about wearing masks.
"What do you idiots — face mask—" a woman's voice can be heard saying.
"Why are you wearing a mask?" the man asks.
"Where are your parents at?" the woman asks. "They have you out here masked?"
"You don't need to wear them, you know that?" the man says.
"Why the hell you wearing a mask out? Where's your mom and dad?" the woman asks.
The kids can be heard mumbling that the CDC said that it's safer.
"How come :lol
you ain't :lol
dead yet," the man asks.
"Yeah," the woman follows.
"Take it off!" the man says before the video cuts off.
the woman who appeared to be filming their attack on the kids.
She had to have uploaded it to social media to further attack the youth.
Carlson, who told viewers on April 26 that they should accost Americans they see wearing masks and call 911.
"Call the police immediately, contact child protective services,"
https://www.rawstory.com/adults-youth-wearing-mask/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=7335
America is fucked and unfuckable, polluted with and degraded all y'all deluded RWNJ fascists,
"Live and Let Live" and "Do Unto Others ..." are NOT a fascist slogans.
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06-18-2021, 09:33 AM
Adults film themselves attacking kids for wearing masks —
just like Tucker Carlson said to
https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNjcyOTA4Ni9vcmlnaW4 ucG5nIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY3NTM3NjUyOX0.c7yvSs_4g SmVo9vOtbPStYDOPJFphM8nQVuzzUYa318/image.png?width=1200&height=675
Three kids were sitting on a bench in southeast Pennsylvania when adults came up to harass them about wearing masks.
"What do you idiots — face mask—" a woman's voice can be heard saying.
"Why are you wearing a mask?" the man asks.
"Where are your parents at?" the woman asks. "They have you out here masked?"
"You don't need to wear them, you know that?" the man says.
"Why the hell you wearing a mask out? Where's your mom and dad?" the woman asks.
The kids can be heard mumbling that the CDC said that it's safer.
"How come :lol
you ain't :lol
dead yet," the man asks.
"Yeah," the woman follows.
"Take it off!" the man says before the video cuts off.
the woman who appeared to be filming their attack on the kids.
She had to have uploaded it to social media to further attack the youth.
Carlson, who told viewers on April 26 that they should accost Americans they see wearing masks and call 911.
"Call the police immediately, contact child protective services,"
https://www.rawstory.com/adults-youth-wearing-mask/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=7335
America is fucked and unfuckable, polluted with and degraded all y'all deluded RWNJ fascists,
"Live and Let Live" and "Do Unto Others ..." are NOT a fascist slogans.
Mother fucker Biden now owns 217k of dead Americans on his side of the COVID Death Ledger.
Let us proceed...
Ef-man
06-18-2021, 09:50 PM
What a temple garment wearing loser.
John Stockton's Anti-Vaccine Views Are Breaking NBA Fans' Hearts.
Retired NBA player John Stockton has left fans devastated after appearing in an anti-vaccine documentary.
The former Utah Jazz point guard is in the film, which claims to expose the "truth, lies and misconceptions" of the coronavirus and its subsequent jab.
Stockton featured in the program alongside a slate of "leading experts" after saying that he's done his research on the topic.
In a clip from the documentary, he is heard saying: "This isn't a virus cheating us of this opportunities, it's the guys making decisions saying 'no, no, we're too scared, we're going to shut everything down, sit in your house and be careful.'"
"My kids and my grandkids hearing these things and accepting them as truth, when I know by my significant amount of research that it isn't and it's very frustrating."
In another quote, Stockton is seen questioning if we are https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/john-stockton-s-anti-vaccine-views-are-breaking-nba-fans-hearts/ar-AALbqjV?ocid=msedgntpmissing out on the next Steph Curry because of the coronavirus pandemic.
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06-19-2021, 08:06 AM
What a temple garment wearing loser.
John Stockton's Anti-Vaccine Views Are Breaking NBA Fans' Hearts.
Retired NBA player John Stockton has left fans devastated after appearing in an anti-vaccine documentary.
The former Utah Jazz point guard is in the film, which claims to expose the "truth, lies and misconceptions" of the coronavirus and its subsequent jab.
Stockton featured in the program alongside a slate of "leading experts" after saying that he's done his research on the topic.
In a clip from the documentary, he is heard saying: "This isn't a virus cheating us of this opportunities, it's the guys making decisions saying 'no, no, we're too scared, we're going to shut everything down, sit in your house and be careful.'"
"My kids and my grandkids hearing these things and accepting them as truth, when I know by my significant amount of research that it isn't and it's very frustrating."
In another quote, Stockton is seen questioning if we are https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/john-stockton-s-anti-vaccine-views-are-breaking-nba-fans-hearts/ar-AALbqjV?ocid=msedgntpmissing out on the next Steph Curry because of the coronavirus pandemic.
Betcha Silver in New York leaves this one alone, eh Ef? tee, hee.
Ef-man
06-19-2021, 08:45 AM
Betcha Silver in New York leaves this one alone, eh Ef? tee, hee.
Different temple but Silver already worked things out with players on covid protocols.
He would disagree and move on.
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06-19-2021, 09:02 AM
Different temple but Silver already worked things out with players on covid protocols.
He would disagree and move on.
All he has to do is say it. That (would) shit is a bit short.
He won't touch it. Those Mormons when they get after ya won't quit. They're like gypsies and bikers.
Ef-man
06-19-2021, 09:12 AM
All he has to do is say it. That (would) shit is a bit short.
He won't touch it. Those Mormons when they get after ya won't quit. They're like gypsies and bikers.
They will not quit because they are simpletons, I agree.
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06-19-2021, 09:16 AM
They will not quit because they are simpletons, I agree.
Nobody fucks with 'em, including Silver in New York. They ain't no easy clean like regular white folk.
hater
06-19-2021, 09:20 AM
Just had my first full dinner maskless inside a packed restaurant nigas.
Still alive so far.
pgardn
06-19-2021, 09:20 AM
The US, under Trump, allowed gain of function research and funded the Wuhan the Institute. I am not ruling out our culpability.
Again, where is this evidence of a natural origin? How did the virus pass from animals to humans, and which animals passed it on?
Again, based on all the other viruses of its type.
And comparing RNA sequences.
You are approaching creationism where species originate with a poof. If so, they dont need to have genetic linkages to each other, clear evidence of relatedness. You wont get this if you dont really understand DNA, RNA and its role in evolution. You are back to where Darwin was, with an idea of natural selection, but no idea of what variation involves... a miracle?
The virus is very closely related to others. What makes you think it can just be created out of nowhere? We have CLEARLY SHOWN the linkages of a number of viruses that jump across host species barriers.. wtf do you propose? Poof? Viruses do this ALL THE TIME. But it does take time in solving the actual series of events of which animals it came from, so you default to made in a lab? Thats fkn idiocy.
pgardn
06-19-2021, 09:21 AM
Just had my first full dinner maskless inside a packed restaurant nigas.
Still alive so far.
" Its good to be able to rely on others who dont fear a needle"
Ef-man
06-19-2021, 09:27 AM
Nobody fucks with 'em, including Silver in New York. They ain't no easy clean like regular white folk.
Just like dealing with children, you cannot hit them in public for shit they do.
But you overall, the Mormons bend their knees rather easily so no need to lash out.
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06-19-2021, 09:33 AM
Just like dealing with children, you cannot hit them in public for shit they do.
But you overall, the Mormons bend their knees rather easily so no need to lash out.
Usually, I say usually Silver chooses to make an example of white when a prime opportunity like this presents itself. Not-this-time.
This time he chose wisely.
tee, hee.
pgardn
06-19-2021, 09:37 AM
What a temple garment wearing loser.
John Stockton's Anti-Vaccine Views Are Breaking NBA Fans' Hearts.
Retired NBA player John Stockton has left fans devastated after appearing in an anti-vaccine documentary.
The former Utah Jazz point guard is in the film, which claims to expose the "truth, lies and misconceptions" of the coronavirus and its subsequent jab.
Stockton featured in the program alongside a slate of "leading experts" after saying that he's done his research on the topic.
In a clip from the documentary, he is heard saying: "This isn't a virus cheating us of this opportunities, it's the guys making decisions saying 'no, no, we're too scared, we're going to shut everything down, sit in your house and be careful.'"
"My kids and my grandkids hearing these things and accepting them as truth, when I know by my significant amount of research that it isn't and it's very frustrating."
In another quote, Stockton is seen questioning if we are https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/john-stockton-s-anti-vaccine-views-are-breaking-nba-fans-hearts/ar-AALbqjV?ocid=msedgntpmissing out on the next Steph Curry because of the coronavirus pandemic.
Another fkn science/NBA expert like K. Ivring
Trumpism involves making everyone with an opinion an expert.
Ef-man
06-19-2021, 09:41 AM
Usually, I say usually Silver chooses to make an example of white when a prime opportunity like this presents itself. Not-this-time.
This time he chose wisely.
tee, hee.
Silver is not responding so as not draw attention to the idiot.
If Silver attacked, Stockton would fold just like the Jazz did last night.
tee hee tee hee
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06-19-2021, 09:41 AM
Another fkn science/NBA expert like K. Ivring
Trumpism involves making everyone with an opinion an expert.
Just as salient as your expert Fauci...he's the cat that swore up & down in that circa that the HIV would lead to only 35% of it's victims developing AIDs. He knew that was bald-faced lie, but that didn't stop him for uttering it. He is an animal.
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06-19-2021, 09:43 AM
Silver is not responding so as not draw attention to the idiot.
If Silver attacked, Stockton would fold just like the Jazz did last night.
tee hee tee hee
Silver knows when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em and when to run a way.
That's the gargoyle in maniacal flight.
tee, hee.
pgardn
06-19-2021, 09:57 AM
Just as salient as your expert Fauci...he's the cat that swore up & down in that circa that the HIV would lead to only 35% of it's victims developing AIDs. He knew that was bald-faced lie, but that didn't stop him for uttering it. He is an animal.
He did absolutely not swear up and down.
This is why he is Okay with going to China and making sure their lab was not responsible for leaking a virus or viruses they were working OPENLY with the US until China close the door of discussion. Which, by the way, both Trump and Biden have been briefed on and have tried to remedy. They must talk to us when they have the facilities to help detect the numerous animal/human viruses that arise out of SE Asia and even upper Asia. Read about how these viruses arise and the reasoning why SE Asia is thought to be a producer of animal/human viruses.
Fauci is a science guy who does not know how to lie properly. He states his strong feelings and turns out to be wrong. This happens ALL THE TIME in science when you make calls before more evidence changes the mode. ALL THE TIME. This is part of why nutrition and what is good and bad is constantly changing, labs make different findings and the press picks one as word.
btw... Newton and Einstein were both wrong as was Darwin. They all had flaws in their thinking. There is not a "popular" science guy who has been right on everything. This is why have a community of scientists, and still have to understand their will be derpish gadflies who have no business in the area they discuss.
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