View Full Version : Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 01:42 PM
Dr Anthony Fauci was the man behind the AIDS/HIV hoax epidemic back in the 80's under the Reagan administration. Don't believe a single word that man has to say.
sounds like Tony had a Come-to-Jesus moment while the Reagans and their hate-filled Christians ignored the crisis and let "God punish the fags"
https://www.thebodypro.com/article/tony-fauci-md-coronavirus
ChumpDumper
04-05-2020, 01:45 PM
Dr Anthony Fauci was the man behind the AIDS/HIV hoax epidemic back in the 80's under the Reagan administration. Don't believe a single word that man has to say.Have you shot the people telling you to stay home yet?
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 02:07 PM
How some cities ‘flattened the curve’ during the 1918 flu pandemic
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/
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04-05-2020, 02:10 PM
Dr Anthony Fauci was the man behind the AIDS/HIV hoax epidemic back in the 80's under the Reagan administration. Don't believe a single word that man has to say.
Yep, that was all a lie back then. "Only 30% of HIV afflicted would get full blown AIDs." But, God only knows what would've happened had they told the truth! We knew it was a lie, but, I was grateful to hear that lie.
RandomGuy
04-05-2020, 02:18 PM
Dr Anthony Fauci was the man behind the AIDS/HIV hoax epidemic back in the 80's under the Reagan administration. Don't believe a single word that man has to say.
Fuck off. way over there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
keep going... .fuck off a little bit farther....
RandomGuy
04-05-2020, 02:20 PM
"To respond to a pandemic, we need medical personnel and adequate supplies of equipment," Bush said. "In a pandemic, everything from syringes to hospital beds, respirators masks and protective equipment would be in short supply."
Bush told the gathered scientists that they would need to develop a vaccine in record time.
"If a pandemic strikes, our country must have a surge capacity in place that will allow us to bring a new vaccine on line quickly and manufacture enough to immunize every American against the pandemic strain," he said.
https://news.yahoo.com/george-w-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-appear-too-080830555--abc-news-topstories.html
"no one could have seen it coming"
If this idiot could...
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04-05-2020, 02:21 PM
Fuck off. way over there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
keep going... .fuck off a little bit farther....
No, no, RG. Let Fauci own up to that circa. Everybody has to own up to their old shit. Nobody is ever spared. He should be no different.
& it makes sense...MSM won't touch his AIDs shit. Why? Obviously because it won't stand the gaffe, the light of day.
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 02:26 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/george-w-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-appear-too-080830555--abc-news-topstories.html
"no one could have seen it coming"
If this idiot could...
dubya, or shrub (Molly Ivins) was a dumb Useful Idiot, but be he seemed to know that he was stupid, ignorant, uneduated so appeared to listen.
15 years later, the entire Repug party has degraded into a bunch oligarchy whores, Nothing but All Politics, All The Time
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04-05-2020, 02:41 PM
dubya, or shrub (Molly Ivins) was a dumb Useful Idiot, but be he seemed to know that he was stupid, ignorant, uneduated so appeared to listen.
15 years later, the entire Repug party has degraded into a bunch oligarchy whores, Nothing but All Politics, All The Time
& youse still tried to ride him out on a rail. Had the Impeachment articles writ!
Why? Because he took Gore's pants down like that. Nobody thought he had it in him. But, it wasn't him, it was Baker who was the assassin. James Baker did the wet work in Florida.
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 02:59 PM
WTF is this?
Trash said 2 weeks?
Fauci said this next ONE week will be bad?
are they still propagandizing to "resurrect" the economy on Easter Monday?
they make sound like USA will soon be on the backside of covid-19
ducks
04-05-2020, 03:53 PM
An editorial in The Detroit News slammed Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, accusing her of playing politics during the coronavirus pandemic.
“Gov. Gretchen Whitmer must send an unequivocal message to her constituents that Michigan is her priority in this hour of crisis,” the editorial, which was published on Saturday, said. “Her running feud with President Donald Trump calls into question whether she's acting in the best interests of this state, or on behalf of the Democratic Party.”
“Unfortunately she's sending conflicting signals about her priorities and motivations,” the article continued.
Whitmer, like her counterparts in other states, has seen her profile rise in recent weeks as the nation’s leaders coordinate response efforts to the coronavirus pandemic.
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04-05-2020, 03:56 PM
WTF is this?
Trash said 2 weeks?
Fauci said this next ONE week will be bad?
are they still propagandizing to "resurrect" the economy on Easter Monday?
they make sound like USA will soon be on the backside of covid-19
Fauci doesn't know whether to shit, or, go blind.
The old man is sitting behind both doctor's watching Cable & eating snacks..."They wanted to be out front & be big shots. Knock yerselves out."
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04-05-2020, 03:57 PM
An editorial in The Detroit News slammed Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, accusing her of playing politics during the coronavirus pandemic.
“Gov. Gretchen Whitmer must send an unequivocal message to her constituents that Michigan is her priority in this hour of crisis,” the editorial, which was published on Saturday, said. “Her running feud with President Donald Trump calls into question whether she's acting in the best interests of this state, or on behalf of the Democratic Party.”
“Unfortunately she's sending conflicting signals about her priorities and motivations,” the article continued.
Whitmer, like her counterparts in other states, has seen her profile rise in recent weeks as the nation’s leaders coordinate response efforts to the coronavirus pandemic.
ducks doing work on the Sabbath.
ducks
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 04:33 PM
In chrono order:
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca (https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca)
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-out-of-many-one-36b886af37e9
picnroll
04-05-2020, 04:34 PM
British 5G towers are being set on fire because of coronavirus conspiracy theories
5G is causing anarchy in the UK
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/4/21207927/5g-towers-burning-uk-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-link
Idiots are rampant not just on Spurstalk
MannyIsGod
04-05-2020, 04:36 PM
NY curve definitely has taken on a more linear tone to it which is good. What remains to be seen is if we can get the increase to actually stop. Its much slower now, which is a great first step, but now you need discharges + deaths to be higher than incoming hospitalizations in order to save the system from collapse. Well, that and you need to stay within the systems reduced capacity as people become exhausted and fall ill and are incapable of actually working to help others.
Still a long way to go in NY but at least the curve has been flattened somewhat. You have to crawl before you walk.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1246825831864963073
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04-05-2020, 04:42 PM
British 5G towers are being set on fire because of coronavirus conspiracy theories
5G is causing anarchy in the UK
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/4/21207927/5g-towers-burning-uk-coronavirus-conspiracy-theory-link
Idiots are rampant not just on Spurstalk
...at least they don't fuck their mother some more like you do, picky.
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 04:44 PM
NY curve definitely has taken on a more linear tone to it which is good. What remains to be seen is if we can get the increase to actually stop. Its much slower now, which is a great first step, but now you need discharges + deaths to be higher than incoming hospitalizations in order to save the system from collapse. Well, that and you need to stay within the systems reduced capacity as people become exhausted and fall ill and are incapable of actually working to help others.
Still a long way to go in NY but at least the curve has been flattened somewhat. You have to crawl before you walk.
where are you getting your numbers?
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 04:44 PM
UK PM Johnson admitted to hospital with coronavirus symptoms
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-johnson-fa/factbox-reaction-as-uk-pm-johnson-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-symptoms-idUSKBN21N0W7?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-johnson-fa/factbox-reaction-as-uk-pm-johnson-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-symptoms-idUSKBN21N0W7?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F +US+%2F+Top+News%29)
FlAVaK
04-05-2020, 04:46 PM
BoJo to hospital, still has symptons (high fever) after 10 days...
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 04:48 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1246825831864963073
They need to readjust that model ASAP.
ElNono
04-05-2020, 04:50 PM
1246531751775580161
smh
Splits
04-05-2020, 04:56 PM
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FlAVaK
04-05-2020, 04:59 PM
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ElNono
04-05-2020, 05:00 PM
1246908620073250816
Hope he makes it or we're going to have the usual opportunists living off idiots making non-stop JooTubes and Patreon accounts about the deep state deep sixing him.
FlAVaK
04-05-2020, 05:00 PM
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ChumpDumper
04-05-2020, 05:02 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1246825831864963073
Just say when you want restrictions in NYC lifted.
Step up.
FlAVaK
04-05-2020, 05:02 PM
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boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 05:03 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1246825831864963073
Tactics From the Right-Wing Playbook on COVID-19
Dismissing and Downplaying the Threat
In the early days of the spread of the virus, Trump and members of his administration downplayed the seriousness of the threat the virus posed to Americans. Trump’s allies and right-wing media (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/the-federalists-coronavirus-coverage-is-a-dangerous-joke/) have decried what they described as a hoax (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/ron-paul-suggested-coronavirus-was-a-big-hoax-then-his-son-caught-it/), hype (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-supporters-fuel-dangerous-election-year-coronavirus-claim), and fearmongering designed to harm Trump’s reelection prospects. Even now, as new cases and deaths continue to spike, Trump and his supporters send mixed messages about the threat and the importance of social distancing.
Distracting Americans with Conspiracy Theories and Finger-Pointing
A wide range of conspiracy theories (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rodney-howard-browne-used-his-sunday-service-to-spread-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories/) about the virus and its spread have been promoted not only by fringe activists in online spaces but also by members of Congress (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rep-peter-king-entertains-conspiracy-theory-that-coronavirus-is-chinese-bioweapon/) and religious leaders with large audiences. Many of the conspiracy theories are meant to deflect accountability from U.S. officials’ decision-making by diverting attention and blame elsewhere. COVID-19 has been portrayed as a weapon of war launched by the Chinese (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/covid-19-is-chinese-bio-warfare-says-trump-allied-megachurch-pastor-jack-hibbs/) or North Korean (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rodney-howard-browne-used-his-sunday-service-to-spread-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories/) governments and as a plot by Satan (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/lou-engle-calls-for-three-day-fast-to-stop-coronavirus-and-save-stadium-prayer-rallies/), the Democratic Party (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/josh-bernstein-the-coronavirus-outbreak-is-a-democratic-and-chinese-conspiracy-against-trump/), globalists, (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rodney-howard-browne-used-his-sunday-service-to-spread-coronavirus-conspiracy-theories/)big pharma (https://banned.video/watch?id=5e675a2412f790009b69bfa4), and other habitual enemies of the right-wing imagination. Others who promote the QAnon (https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/03/18/the-coronavirus-is-conspiracy-theory-gold-for-qanon/)conspiracy theory (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/mark-taylor-the-coronavirus-is-a-cover-to-carry-out-the-mass-arrests-long-promised-by-qanon/) popular in some corners of Trump’s base say the virus and social distancing measures are cover for Trump to make mass arrests (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/liz-crokin-the-coronavirus-is-cover-for-the-military-to-make-mass-arrests/) of a deep-state pedophile ring. A new wave of hoax conspiracy-mongering is spreading on social media (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/tactics-from-the-right-wing-playbook-on-covid-19/A%20new%20wave%20of%20hoax%20conspiracy-mongering%20is%20spreading%20on%20social%20media%2 0using%20hashtags%20like%20#coronavirustruth%20and ) using hashtags like #coronavirustruth and #FilmYourHospital.
Pushing the Team Trump Line, Whatever It Is
The extent to which right-wing activists, leaders, and media (https://www.thedailybeast.com/oan-reporter-chanel-rion-asks-incredibly-bonkers-softball-question-at-trump-coronavirus-presser) have become public relations vehicles of the White House is evident in the ways that they have followed the Trump administration’s own dramatic shifts from dismissing fears of the virus as hype generated by the media to belatedly recognizing the seriousness of the situation and the need for strong public health measures. Trump’s supporters have learned from him not to bother acknowledging or explaining their abrupt shifts in position. One religious-right activist even defended Trump’s misinformation (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/prayer-warriors-rally-around-trump-prophesy-quick-end-to-pandemic-predict-great-awakening/) as a strategy for sowing confusion in the “enemy camp.”
Making the Most of It / Shameless Opportunism
Some right-wing leaders are taking advantage of the crisis to push preexisting agendas. Among them: promoting hostility to immigrants and immigration; shutting (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/opinion/covid-abortion-ohio-texas.html)down (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/490169-planned-parenthood-aclu-sue-iowa-governor-for-suspending-abortions-amid)access (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kentucky-ag-calls-for-halt-on-abortions-during-coronavirus-crisis)to abortion; promoting school vouchers (https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergreene/2020/03/29/devos-leaving-students-behind-and-launching-national-school-vouchers/#52a899456b4a); undermining (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-trump-administration-epa-suspends-environmental-protection-laws/)environmental (https://insideclimatenews.org/news/27032020/coronavirus-covid-19-EPA-API-environmental-enforcement)protections (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/29/21198674/coronavirus-epa-trump-regulations); fomenting nationalism and disparaging international institutions (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/trump-uses-coronavirus-fears-to-advance-bannons-far-right-agenda/); disparaging (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/candace-owens-throws-jabs-at-conservatives-advocating-government-response-to-coronavirus/) federal aid to struggling individuals (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rick-wiles-the-coronavirus-is-an-end-times-plague-sent-by-god-to-purge-the-world-of-sin/) and promoting libertarian social darwinism (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/the-federalist-asks-is-america-better-off-letting-people-die-from-coronavirus/); and weakening the separation of church and state. Others have used it to enrich themselves by selling bogus “cures.” (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/missouri-ag-sues-jim-bakker-over-fake-coronavirus-cure/)
Playing God and Portraying Trump’s Actions as Part of a Divine Plan
Conservative evangelicals are Trump’s most loyal supporters. Many have followed his shifts, urging their followers to adopt the administration’s social distancing guidelines. But some have resisted (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/roy-moore-says-closing-churches-is-tyranny-tells-pastors-they-have-duty-to-assemble/) restrictions on large gatherings, portraying them as attacks on religious liberty and telling supporters that believers have divine protection (https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1237761136507981824). Some have portrayed attending church (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/christians-should-be-more-concerned-about-hell-bound-neighbors-than-coronavirus-says-revivalist-john-burton/) as a test of their faith (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/megachurch-pastor-mockes-people-who-stayed-home-over-coronavirus-fear/) in God’s power to heal. Some have called the virus a sign of God’s punishment for abortion (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/perry-stone-claims-americas-coronavirus-outbreak-is-a-reckoning-for-allowing-abortion-and-gay-marriage/) or homosexuality (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rick-wiles-says-coronavirus-death-of-lgbtq-lawyer-is-a-sign-of-gods-judgment/), and others have said it’s God’s way to focus attention on the church.
Some “prophetic” leaders have declared that God will bring swift and miraculous resolution (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/prayer-warriors-rally-around-trump-prophesy-quick-end-to-pandemic-predict-great-awakening/) to the crisis: one asserted that the tide was turning in mid-February (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/prophet-claimed-tide-is-turning-on-coronavirus-two-weeks-ago/); others decreed that the virus would leave Earth on March 23 (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/steve-strang-and-cal-pierce-decreed-that-coronavirus-would-leave-earth-today/); and others have predicted divine intervention around Passover (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/prayer-warriors-rally-around-trump-prophesy-quick-end-to-pandemic-predict-great-awakening/) or Easter, when Trump himself has said he would like to see churches full. Some are depicting current events as evidence that we are living in the End Times (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rick-wiles-the-coronavirus-is-an-end-times-plague-sent-by-god-to-purge-the-world-of-sin/) and that believers should therefore expect “pestilence” and other events prophesied for the last days.
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/tactics-from-the-right-wing-playbook-on-covid-19/ (https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/tactics-from-the-right-wing-playbook-on-covid-19/)
TSA, I expect you go vandalize some 5G equipment because it causes covid-19
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 05:10 PM
https://images.dailykos.com/images/786398/large/Krugman.jpg?1585846344
midnightpulp
04-05-2020, 05:11 PM
I'm seeing a lot of criticism of model accuracy on Wingnut twitter, which they then offer as "proof" that this pandemic isn't as bad as the evil, Soros controlled MSM is making it out to be, but they need to understand that models are imperfect, are only as good as the data they get, and that even the world's leading epidemiologists still have little clue about true case counts and CFR. The "experts" aren't pulling wool over your eyes, they just "don't know," because the data is sparse. Criticizing models is fair (I will go to the grave never believing the 2.5 million dead scenario as plausible from the Imperial study), but drawing conspiracy theory conclusions from those criticisms is retarded. This virus is BAD. Even if we downgrade it to "flu levels," that is still very BAD. With the flu, we have a degree of herd immunity, we have a vaccine, we have antivirals, we plan for flu season. We have none of that here. Hell, even if this bug is half as deadly as the flu, that's still a big problem.
ElNono
04-05-2020, 05:16 PM
They need to readjust that model ASAP.
Pretty much, and it should be mentioned that's far from the only model that's been off in certain areas. (left unsaid is that model had a relatively spot on death # for NY)
Then again, you would need to understand how models work...
hater
04-05-2020, 05:41 PM
If Bojo dies UK would really be taking it on the chin tbqh
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 05:59 PM
I'm seeing a lot of criticism of model accuracy on Wingnut twitter, which they then offer as "proof" that this pandemic isn't as bad as the evil, Soros controlled MSM is making it out to be, but they need to understand that models are imperfect, are only as good as the data they get, and that even the world's leading epidemiologists still have little clue about true case counts and CFR. The "experts" aren't pulling wool over your eyes, they just "don't know," because the data is sparse. Criticizing models is fair (I will go to the grave never believing the 2.5 million dead scenario as plausible from the Imperial study), but drawing conspiracy theory conclusions from those criticisms is retarded. This virus is BAD. Even if we downgrade it to "flu levels," that is still very BAD. With the flu, we have a degree of herd immunity, we have a vaccine, we have antivirals, we plan for flu season. We have none of that here. Hell, even if this bug is half as deadly as the flu, that's still a big problem.
I don't think there's any conspiracy. It's just odd to me that some people seem mad when reality turns out better than model projections.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 06:00 PM
I don't think there's any conspiracy. It's just odd to me that some people seem mad when reality turns out better than model projections.
And, it goes without saying, that we're still in the middle of this and don't know exactly how it will play out.
SnakeBoy
04-05-2020, 06:05 PM
https://images.dailykos.com/images/786398/large/Krugman.jpg?1585846344
Maybe we should head to New York where it's safe
CosmicCowboy
04-05-2020, 06:10 PM
Barring the introduction of a kickass vaccine worldwide this bug is here to stay and the pandemics will just keep coming in waves. 1 million deaths is totally possible.
slick'81
04-05-2020, 06:11 PM
I don't think there's any conspiracy. It's just odd to me that some people seem mad when reality turns out better than model projections.
We dont know that yet d
slick'81
04-05-2020, 06:12 PM
Barring the introduction of a kickass vaccine worldwide this bug is here to stay and the pandemics will just keep coming in waves. 1 million deaths is totally possible.
If thats the case ,its going to be waay more
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 06:14 PM
https://images.dailykos.com/images/786398/large/Krugman.jpg?1585846344
Lol, when people "stopped" traveling more than 2 miles. What is this based on?
I don't live within 2 miles of food, parmacy, etc. Are people in Wyoming and Montana just stocked up for the duration? :lol
Lol, Krugman
Maybe we should head to New York where it's safe
It's kind of starting to, tbh.
Hospital discharges up 74%. New cases nearly halfed from yesterday and deaths also slightly down from yesterday. I hope this holds...but there could be another dump before the night is over.
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04-05-2020, 06:19 PM
I don't think there's any conspiracy. It's just odd to me that some people seem mad when reality turns out better than model projections.
GD rights.
Darrin
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04-05-2020, 06:20 PM
If Bojo dies UK would really be taking it on the chin tbqh
At the very least he'll have accomplished Brexit.
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04-05-2020, 06:24 PM
If Bojo dies UK would really be taking it on the chin tbqh
Entering a hospital at this particular juncture of the disease holds a bad harbinger, eh?
SnakeBoy
04-05-2020, 06:27 PM
Lol, when people "stopped" traveling more than 2 miles. What is this based on?
I don't live within 2 miles of food, parmacy, etc. Are people in Wyoming and Montana just stocked up for the duration? :lol
Lol, Krugman
Yeah this distance traveled shit is retarded. It's 4 miles round trip for me to get a loaf of bread at Valero. HEB is a 22 mile trip for me.
Entering a hospital at this particular juncture of the disease holds a bad harbinger, eh?
You know they lying when they said this was a "precautionary" step.
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 06:31 PM
BoJo on ventilator, chances 50% now
BoJo on ventilator, chances 50% now
Link? If that's true this guy is RIP city.
I feel for the pregnant wife. Stupid shithead put her in an impossible situation.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 06:37 PM
BoJo on ventilator, chances 50% now
Less than that.
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04-05-2020, 06:38 PM
You know they lying when they said this was a "precautionary" step.
True, I was just hoping against hope.
Grim business.
monosylab1k
04-05-2020, 06:39 PM
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:lmao
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04-05-2020, 06:40 PM
Link? If that's true this guy is RIP city.
I feel for the pregnant wife. Stupid shithead put her in an impossible situation.
This may incite the old man to go into isolation, run it from the WH rumpus room.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 06:46 PM
Yeah this distance traveled shit is retarded. It's 4 miles round trip for me to get a loaf of bread at Valero. HEB is a 22 mile trip for me.
It must be based on when some local official decreed a lockdown policy. No way people aren't traveling at least 2 miles in all those areas.
midnightpulp
04-05-2020, 06:48 PM
I don't think there's any conspiracy. It's just odd to me that some people seem mad when reality turns out better than model projections.
I was actually wrong regarding the Imperial model when they downgraded to 20K. I thought Ferguson was "hedging," because he initially got the CFR (based on Wuhan) drastically wrong, but his model (for the UK) was 500K worst case, 20K with social distancing and stay-at-home, and 5600 with Wuhan style lockdown. There's exponential growth but also exponential reduction.
The aggravating thing here is that when we do achieve below 100K deaths (I think we will), the "Wingnuts" will play up the conspiracy angle that this pandemic was overhyped by the MSM to hurt their king, but the reason we will achieve below 100K is because of the concerted effort of millions of Americans to socially distance, stay home, practice good hygiene, etc. And it's unfortunate that "credit" will be lost, a credit that should bring us together as a nation, all Americans working together to reduce spread and thus deaths. But no, the wingnuts will go with the conspiracy angle.
picnroll
04-05-2020, 06:55 PM
Less than that.
I seen it at 20%
CosmicCowboy
04-05-2020, 06:56 PM
Add in the economic deaths and it will be millions for sure. Sub Sahara africa will starve if they dont get killed by the boogievirus.
Chris
04-05-2020, 06:58 PM
https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1246912148984430597?s=19
Chris
04-05-2020, 06:59 PM
https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/1246911017709449222?s=19
ElNono
04-05-2020, 06:59 PM
I don't think there's any conspiracy. It's just odd to me that some people seem mad when reality turns out better than model projections.
I don't think there's a conspiracy either, however, some people seem really keen in somehow 'proving' that not doing anything, or next to nothing, would've resulted in the same outcomes, and apparently dumbing down how models work is a good target on that mission.
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:00 PM
Barring the introduction of a kickass vaccine worldwide this bug is here to stay and the pandemics will just keep coming in waves. 1 million deaths is totally possible.
A workable treatment is probably closer than a vaccine at this point. Will be easier to loose restrictions once we have at least that. Agree otherwise.
Thread
04-05-2020, 07:01 PM
https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/1246911017709449222?s=19
Chris is our finest soldier.
God bless you, Chris.
Chris
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:01 PM
I was actually wrong regarding the Imperial model when they downgraded to 20K. I thought Ferguson was "hedging," because he initially got the CFR (based on Wuhan) drastically wrong, but his model (for the UK) was 500K worst case, 20K with social distancing and stay-at-home, and 5600 with Wuhan style lockdown. There's exponential growth but also exponential reduction.
The aggravating thing here is that when we do achieve below 100K deaths (I think we will), the "Wingnuts" will play up the conspiracy angle that this pandemic was overhyped by the MSM to hurt their king, but the reason we will achieve below 100K is because of the concerted effort of millions of Americans to socially distance, stay home, practice good hygiene, etc. And it's unfortunate that "credit" will be lost, a credit that should bring us together as a nation, all Americans working together to reduce spread and thus deaths. But no, the wingnuts will go with the conspiracy angle.
There will be conspiratards out there, regardless of the outcome.
Thread
04-05-2020, 07:03 PM
I don't think there's a conspiracy either, however, some people seem really keen in somehow 'proving' that not doing anything, or next to nothing, would've resulted in the same outcomes, and apparently dumbing down how models work is a good target on that mission.
These people are grudging because the old man pimped it from the start. He got word that it was a winner & flew with it on that assurance.
These people would rather cut off their nose to spite their face than give the old man kudos.
Thread
04-05-2020, 07:04 PM
There will be conspiratards out there, regardless of the outcome.
Darrin is our 2nd finest solider.
God bless you, Darrin.
Darrin
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:04 PM
https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/1246911017709449222?s=19
If there's something the world knows about hydroxychloroquine is that it's definitely not a cure for covid...
:lol When Trump ultimately fires Fauci....:lol
Not gonna be a great look for him.
Thread
04-05-2020, 07:05 PM
If there's something the world knows about hydroxychloroquine is that it's definitely not a cure for covid...
El is a wet blanket and needs a box with 5 handles.
El
picnroll
04-05-2020, 07:05 PM
Tiger tests positive for coronavirus at Bronx Zoo, first known case in the world
The big cat is the first known case of a non-domesticated animal with COVID-19 symptoms—and is one of seven sick tigers at the New York zoo.
https://apple.news/AI33kHYQ5SuixAljdac4QvA
Thread
04-05-2020, 07:06 PM
Tiger tests positive for coronavirus at Bronx Zoo, first known case in the world
The big cat is the first known case of a non-domesticated animal with COVID-19 symptoms—and is one of seven sick tigers at the New York zoo.
https://apple.news/AI33kHYQ5SuixAljdac4QvA
picky likes to sniff his mother's balloon knot.
picky
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:06 PM
I don't think there's a conspiracy either, however, some people seem really keen in somehow 'proving' that not doing anything, or next to nothing, would've resulted in the same outcomes, and apparently dumbing down how models work is a good target on that mission.
Well, that would be difficult to prove, since we did far from nothing.
I guess we could see how things play out in Sweden.
I don't think anyone is suggesting "dumbing down how models work". I would suggest we examine the assumptions and inputs.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:10 PM
If there's something the world knows about hydroxychloroquine is that it's definitely not a cure for covid...
Treatments are not cures.
midnightpulp
04-05-2020, 07:10 PM
Add in the economic deaths and it will be millions for sure. Sub Sahara africa will starve if they dont get killed by the boogievirus.
You can rebuild an economy, you can't resurrect lives. And yeah, I know the "suicides go up" during a recession/depression argument, but they didn't seem to go up during the Great Recession. Ironically, suicides are at a recent high.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#/media/File:1999-_Gun-related_deaths_USA.png
We saw the first spike mid-07, and it's been on a linear growth path ever since. Addiction rates are also at recent highs. And all this WITH supposedly the "greatest US economy of all-time."
So it's something else that's primary driving the hopelessness and depression. There's been pretty strong correlations of the rise of social media and the rise of suicides, especially among young people.
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:11 PM
https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1246912148984430597?s=19
So he can prescribe it, his patient just can't fill it.
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:11 PM
Treatments are not cures.
Exactly
SnakeBoy
04-05-2020, 07:12 PM
https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1246912148984430597?s=19
Hospitals 1st priority, Healthcare workers 2nd priority, pharmacies last.
It's the same here n Texas. My wife can prescribe it but the pharmacies can't get it.
Course of treatment is 14 doses. We have 21 million doses in a country of 350 million.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:13 PM
Exactly
But treatments can help patients recover faster and keep them out of the hospital.
Tiger tests positive for coronavirus at Bronx Zoo, first known case in the world
The big cat is the first known case of a non-domesticated animal with COVID-19 symptoms—and is one of seven sick tigers at the New York zoo.
https://apple.news/AI33kHYQ5SuixAljdac4QvA
Somebody's been watching Tiger King a little too much. :lol
This virus started in bats. So its not really shocking to find out they can get infected since they passed it on to humans.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:16 PM
Hospitals 1st priority, Healthcare workers 2nd priority, pharmacies last.
It's the same here n Texas. My wife can prescribe it but the pharmacies can't get it.
Course of treatment is 14 doses. We have 21 million doses in a country of 350 million.
The CDC has a vaccine priority list. I am dead last in that list. :lol
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:17 PM
El is a wet blanket and needs a box with 5 handles.
El
Calling it like it is, tbh... I don't get the point of people outright lying on the twitteratzi for political points, but that's just how sad this is.
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 07:17 PM
So he can prescribe it, his patient just can't fill it.
I have a HS classmate in s Philadelphia research hospital who is specialist in tropical diseases.
He says hydroxychloroquine is strictly reserved the most most severe victims.
I wonder if UK docs are giving it to Bojo
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:18 PM
But treatments can help patients recover faster and keep them out of the hospital.
Absolutely. And there's nothing but high hopes that hydroxychloroquine does help in some capacity. However, anybody that calls it a cure and advances that it can replace a vaccine is flat out lying.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:19 PM
Absolutely. And there's nothing but high hopes that hydroxychloroquine does help in some capacity. However, anybody that calls it a cure and advances that it can replace a vaccine is flat out lying.
True
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:21 PM
I have a HS classmate in s Philadelphia research hospital who is specialist in tropical diseases.
He says hydroxychloroquine is strictly reserved the most most severe victims.
I wonder if UK docs are giving it to Bojo
That's odd, because its only effective when given fairly early on.
midnightpulp
04-05-2020, 07:23 PM
Well, that would be difficult to prove, since we did far from nothing.
I guess we could see how things play out in Sweden.
I don't think anyone is suggesting "dumbing down how models work". I would suggest we examine the assumptions and inputs.
Getting hammered. Adjusted for pop, they went from their first death (March 11th) to their 12000th death in about 24 days.
Our first 24 days went from 1 to 708. So Sweden is growing at a much, much higher rate. Furthermore, if they are going for the herd immunity strategy, it'll be easier to achieve in a country with 10 million people than 330 million. The US's best strategy to mitigate death and economic collapse is to tenuously open regions like Texas, California, Oregon, and any other region where there's a "natural social distancing" due to population density, a favorable climate (assuming the warm weather/UV light theory holds), and a transportation infrastructure that doesn't rely on mass transit. Cold weather and densely populated regions will have to remain in shutdown for longer.
And if this does die down in the Summer, those months shouldn't be used for "economic recovery," but to prepare for the inevitable new wave that will come when late Fall begins. That said, this preparing could help economic recovery in the form of some kind of public works program where out of work people are hired to help in this regard, either by building/converting hospitals, manufacturing PPE, and what have you. All Americans have to accept life will not get back to normal (when the true economic recovery can begin) until we get a vaccine and proven treatments and then herd immunity.
ChumpDumper
04-05-2020, 07:23 PM
That's odd, because its only effective when given fairly early on.That's why it's unclear whether it works at all.
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:24 PM
Well, that would be difficult to prove, since we did far from nothing.
I guess we could see how things play out in Sweden.
I don't think anyone is suggesting "dumbing down how models work". I would suggest we examine the assumptions and inputs.
I know it's anecdotal, and thus should be taken with a grain of salt, but I've been in contact with some co-workers in Sweden, and it's far from a free for all too. As a matter of fact, he mentioned that one thing they did right early on was contain tourists from Italy and a number of other places going to ski resorts, etc.
On the models side, pointing out discrepancies makes sense, and it's even expected to an extent. Using that as a crutch to dismiss it and advance political points is at the very least disingenuous, or flat out ignorant, IMO.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:24 PM
And it's not just hydroxychloroquine alone, but with zpack, zinc, and supplements.
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 07:25 PM
So it's something else that's primary driving the hopelessness and depression. There's been pretty strong correlations of the rise of social media and the rise of suicides, especially among young people.
labeled "suicides of despair", guns, drugs, alcohol. Unemployment going down (shitty jobs) and oligarchy getting richer, but many 10Ms are still trying to make rent, paycheck to paycheck, a $1000 emergency would exceed their bank account (if they have one)
the three links I posted above, way too long and complicated for rightwingnutjobs and self-satisfied rich boys, show clearly from earlier pandemics that "suppression" works better than "mitigation"
and letting up on suppression too soon invites one or more peaks
slick'81
04-05-2020, 07:26 PM
But treatments can help patients recover faster and keep them out of the hospital.
Only if it works
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:26 PM
Hospitals 1st priority, Healthcare workers 2nd priority, pharmacies last.
It's the same here n Texas. My wife can prescribe it but the pharmacies can't get it.
Course of treatment is 14 doses. We have 21 million doses in a country of 350 million.
It's the same in a lot of states... not to mention a lot of people depend on that drug too for other diseases. There's undeniably a shortage, as it's expected in such a crisis situation.
slick'81
04-05-2020, 07:28 PM
Getting hammered. Adjusted for pop, they went from their first death (March 11th) to their 12000th death in about 24 days.
Our first 24 days went from 1 to 708. So Sweden is growing at a much, much higher rate. Furthermore, if they are going for the herd immunity strategy, it'll be easier to achieve in a country with 10 million people than 330 million. The US's best strategy to mitigate death and economic collapse is to tenuously open regions like Texas, California, Oregon, and any other region where there's a "natural social distancing" due to population density, a favorable climate (assuming the warm weather/UV light theory holds), and a transportation infrastructure that doesn't rely on mass transit. Cold weather and densely populated regions will have to remain in shutdown for longer.
And if this does die down in the Summer, those months shouldn't be used for "economic recovery," but to prepare for the inevitable new wave that will come when late Fall begins. That said, this preparing could help economic recovery in the form of some kind of public works program where out of work people are hired to help in this regard, either by building/converting hospitals, manufacturing PPE, and what have you. All Americans have to accept life will not get back to normal (when the true economic recovery can begin) until we get a vaccine and proven treatments and then herd immunity.
sooo were fucked?
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:28 PM
I know it's anecdotal, and thus should be taken with a grain of salt, but I've been in contact with some co-workers in Sweden, and it's far from a free for all too. As a matter of fact, he mentioned that one thing they did right early on was contain tourists from Italy and a number of other places going to ski resorts, etc.
On the models side, pointing out discrepancies makes sense, and it's even expected to an extent. Using that as a crutch to dismiss it and advance political points is at the very least disingenuous, or flat out ignorant, IMO.
I don't want to score any points. If our outcome is toward the low end of the uncertainty band, we should all pat ourselves on the back for the collective sacrifice.
hater
04-05-2020, 07:29 PM
:wow these headlines
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-papers-52177104
slick'81
04-05-2020, 07:32 PM
I don't want to score any points. If our outcome is toward the low end of the uncertainty band, we should all pat ourselves on the back for the collective sacrifice.
Counting chickens a little early d
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:34 PM
That's why it's unclear whether it works at all.
Well, we can compare recovery times for those that take it, vs control. That's why they are conducting trials. Based on what anecdotal info I've heard, I'd ask my doc for off label scrip.
ChumpDumper
04-05-2020, 07:35 PM
Well, we can compare recovery times for those that take it, vs control.And we have no results for anything like that.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:35 PM
Counting chickens a little early d
My post contained the word "if"
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:35 PM
I don't want to score any points. If our outcome is toward the low end of the uncertainty band, we should all pat ourselves on the back for the collective sacrifice.
I know we're not out of the woods yet, but I'm pretty proud with a number of States... California containment has been remarkable vis a vis the population, Oregon shipping out ventilators to NYC is what America is all about, etc.
slick'81
04-05-2020, 07:35 PM
My post contained the word "if"
Yea big IF
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:35 PM
And we have no results for anything like that.
I know docs who are seeing results
ChumpDumper
04-05-2020, 07:36 PM
I know docs who are seeing resultsCompared to what?
I'll wait for the trials with controls.
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:37 PM
I know docs who are seeing results
The only real scientific way to do this is handing out placebos vs not placebos, and you have to be a royal asshole to hand out placebos right now.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:37 PM
I know we're not out of the woods yet, but I'm pretty proud with a number of States... California containment has been remarkable vis a vis the population, Oregon shipping out ventilators to NYC is what America is all about, etc.
Not to mention 10s of thousands of volunteer health professionals who went to NY, many out of retirement. That's some brave shit, tbh.
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:38 PM
Not to mention 10s of thousands of volunteer health professionals who went to NY, many out of retirement. That's some brave shit, tbh.
I've said it before, health professionals in the frontlines are the real heroes here.
slick'81
04-05-2020, 07:39 PM
I know docs who are seeing results
What specific results d?
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:40 PM
The only real scientific way to do this is handing out placebos vs not placebos, and you have to be a royal asshole to hand out placebos right now.
But that's the only way to know that it's better than placebo.
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:41 PM
But that's the only way to know that it's better than placebo.
It's the only way to discern if it's the drug making a positive effect or the recoveries have to do with a different factor (genetics, personal immune system, previous vaccinations, etc).
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:43 PM
What specific results d?
Much quicker recovery than average and very few requiring hospital. But it has to be given before patients have severe complications.
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 07:44 PM
It's the same in a lot of states... not to mention a lot of people depend on that drug too for other diseases. There's undeniably a shortage, as it's expected in such a crisis situation.
lupus women with active disease depend on it and are having difficulty finding it.
It's both and anti-viral and immuno-suppressant, the latter being why lupus victims depend on it.
===============
Researchers Warn Possible Coronavirus Treatment Hydroxychloroquine
May Be Toxic When Combined With Diabetes Drug
30-40% of mice treated with a combination of HCQ or CQ and diabetes drug metformin, died.
Treatment with the same dose of either drug alone had no effect on the survival of the mice.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/05/researchers-warn-that-covid-19-treatment-touted-by-trump-may-be-toxic-when-combined-with-diabetes-drug/#36604ed155f8 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/05/researchers-warn-that-covid-19-treatment-touted-by-trump-may-be-toxic-when-combined-with-diabetes-drug/#36604ed155f8)
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Novartis, Mylan and Teva to supply tens of millions of chloroquine tablets to fight COVID-19
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/new-commitments-mylan-and-teva-move-to-supply-tens-millions-hydroxychloroquine-tablets-to
ChumpDumper
04-05-2020, 07:45 PM
1246960748338741249
Xevious
04-05-2020, 07:45 PM
https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/1246911017709449222?s=19
Like I said before, we've already been giving hydroxychloroquine to COVID patients here in the US for a few weeks now. Is it helping? I have no idea.
Chris
04-05-2020, 07:53 PM
Chris is our finest soldier.
God bless you, Chris.
Chris
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/jS7HPKX-1-FzDteMGBLQ1683Q-9wPQsO5uGHWUTce3hGkj6PvsF65-NGJOmR7B1pVymHSFoWkYaQXTSln9U4ArnPyKecpW8
Blake
04-05-2020, 07:55 PM
I know docs who are seeing results
Oh an anecdote
slick'81
04-05-2020, 07:56 PM
Like I said before, we've already been giving hydroxychloroquine to COVID patients here in the US for a few weeks now. Is it helping? I have no idea.
They said they were in ny,and then weve heard nothing,but more deaths coming, and usa prepares for worst weeks ahead...wish wed know if these treatments were helping improve patients outlooks here
midnightpulp
04-05-2020, 07:56 PM
sooo were fucked?
We'll get through it, bro. Spanish Flu was FAR worse.
Thread
04-05-2020, 07:57 PM
Like I said before, we've already been giving hydroxychloroquine to COVID patients here in the US for a few weeks now. Is it helping? I have no idea.
The old man loves to throw it in their face during these Pressers. He knows it bugs 'em no end. He's ball buster without a lot of fanfare. I bust balls, but, I'm a loud mouth. Not him, he does it stealthily. Not on purpose, I don't think. It's just his way, his natural way.
slick'81
04-05-2020, 07:57 PM
We'll get through it, bro. Spanish Flu was FAR worse.
:tu
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 07:58 PM
1246960748338741249
Chump -- if you get it, you'll probably be fine with Tylenol and Gatorade. :tu
I know you'd never take some medicine that drumpf mentioned.
picnroll
04-05-2020, 07:59 PM
If I had to place a bet on a treatment I’d go with Roche’s Actemra (tocilizumab). It may be approved as early as this summer to treat COVID-19, according to the FDA. The drug is already approved in the U.S. for rheumatoid arthritis. The company began a Phase III trial of the drug plus standard-of-care in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 pneumonia about two weeks ago. The drug is an immunosuppresive which targets cytokine release syndrome. I think hydoxychloroquine will be found relatively ineffective, just getting a lot of hype because of Dr. Trash.
ElNono
04-05-2020, 07:59 PM
1246531751775580161
This reply :lmao
1246836625499459589
Xevious
04-05-2020, 07:59 PM
The old man loves to throw it in their face during these Pressers. He knows it bugs 'em no end. He's ball buster without a lot of fanfare. I bust balls, but, I'm a loud mouth. Not him, he does it stealthily. Not on purpose, I don't think. It's just his way, his natural way.
The hell are you talking about? Go take your Alzheimer's medication and watch some Jeopardy.
Thread
04-05-2020, 08:00 PM
If I had to place a bet on a treatment I’d go with Roche’s Actemra (tocilizumab). It may be approved as early as this summer to treat COVID-19, according to the FDA. The drug is already approved in the U.S. for rheumatoid arthritis. The company began a Phase III trial of the drug plus standard-of-care in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 pneumonia about two weeks ago. The drug is an immunosuppresive which targets cytokine release syndrome. I think hydoxychloroquine will be found relatively ineffective, just getting a lot of hype because of Dr. Trash.
Mother, picky. Mother!!!
Thread
04-05-2020, 08:01 PM
The hell are you talking about? Go take your Alzheimer's medication and watch some Jeopardy.
I'm babbling, yes.
I got cabin fever.
ChumpDumper
04-05-2020, 08:01 PM
Chump -- if you get it, you'll probably be fine with Tylenol and Gatorade. :tu
I know you'd never take some medicine that drumpf mentioned.Don't be a twat, Darrin.:tu
I'm sorry the President you support is a miserable failure and has made you buy into his magical thinking after and because of his miserable failure. I hope it works. There is currently no proof it works.:tu
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 08:03 PM
If I had to place a bet on a treatment I’d go with Roche’s Actemra (tocilizumab). It may be approved as early as this summer to treat COVID-19, according to the FDA. The drug is already approved in the U.S. for rheumatoid arthritis. The company began a Phase III trial of the drug plus standard-of-care in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 pneumonia about two weeks ago. The drug is an immunosuppresive which targets cytokine release syndrome. I think hydoxychloroquine will be found relatively ineffective, just getting a lot of hype because of Dr. Trash.
You know what other drug is used to treat rheumatoid arthritis?
Blake
04-05-2020, 08:05 PM
This reply :lmao
1246836625499459589
Ouch
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 08:07 PM
Ms Beanz,
there is no cure,
a vaccine is at least 1 year away,
5-10 years being the typical development period
boutons_deux
04-05-2020, 08:08 PM
‘We could get wiped out’: American Indians have the highest rates of diseases that make covid-19 more lethal
Conditions in Indian Country are ripe for a rapid spread of the coronavirus. Rates of infection among Navajos is a major concern.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/04/04/native-american-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR1_c4Vge6WxYLWYeqbxrmVhMZngJIGRy_ZMj4Eo 9ddWjbqQ3t76U8NpED0 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/04/04/native-american-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR1_c4Vge6WxYLWYeqbxrmVhMZngJIGRy_ZMj4Eo 9ddWjbqQ3t76U8NpED0)
Dept of Interior just fucked over a MA tribe, took their land, 19th century deja vu
no doubt the predatory resource extractors and property developers would be happy if the Indians were exterminated and their lands used for mining and billionaire homes
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 08:10 PM
I'll leave you with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJD77tJ1BEw
picnroll
04-05-2020, 08:14 PM
You know what other drug is used to treat rheumatoid arthritis?
Pea shooter vs shot gun. But go with Dr. Trash’s miracle elixir.
Chris
04-05-2020, 08:18 PM
Ouch
Bend over, I'll show you ouch
SnakeBoy
04-05-2020, 08:18 PM
lupus women with active disease depend on it and are having difficulty finding it.
It's both and anti-viral and immuno-suppressant, the latter being why lupus victims depend on it.
===============
Researchers Warn Possible Coronavirus Treatment Hydroxychloroquine
May Be Toxic When Combined With Diabetes Drug
30-40% of mice treated with a combination of HCQ or CQ and diabetes drug metformin, died.
Treatment with the same dose of either drug alone had no effect on the survival of the mice.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/05/researchers-warn-that-covid-19-treatment-touted-by-trump-may-be-toxic-when-combined-with-diabetes-drug/#36604ed155f8 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/victoriaforster/2020/04/05/researchers-warn-that-covid-19-treatment-touted-by-trump-may-be-toxic-when-combined-with-diabetes-drug/#36604ed155f8)
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Novartis, Mylan and Teva to supply tens of millions of chloroquine tablets to fight COVID-19
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/new-commitments-mylan-and-teva-move-to-supply-tens-millions-hydroxychloroquine-tablets-to
This is not news.
https://www.pdr.net/drug-summary/Plaquenil-hydroxychloroquine-sulfate-1911
Both drugs have been commonly prescribed for a very long time. The risks are known.
SnakeBoy
04-05-2020, 08:20 PM
You know what other drug is used to treat rheumatoid arthritis?
These fuckers are hoping it doesn't work cuz Trump
Blake
04-05-2020, 08:21 PM
Bend over, I'll show you ouch
Leviticus 20:13 New Living Translation (NLT)
13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
ChumpDumper
04-05-2020, 08:23 PM
These fuckers are hoping it doesn't work cuz TrumpOh fuck you too.
We've already said we hope it works. I question the potential death paneling of lupus patients for something that hasn't been proved after all this time. Sue me.
Chris
04-05-2020, 08:26 PM
Leviticus 20:13 New Living Translation (NLT)
13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.
Ephesians 4:18 ESV
Blake
04-05-2020, 08:32 PM
To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.
Ephesians 4:18 ESV
Then you'd better stop being gay.
picnroll
04-05-2020, 08:33 PM
These fuckers are hoping it doesn't work cuz Trump
I hope anything works. Trash has fucked up scientific evaluationso much with his carnival show routine who knows if we’ll ever know but tocilizumab is much more powerful, targeting the problem, cytokinase storm.
CosmicCowboy
04-05-2020, 08:43 PM
:lol
Damn. Didnt know spurstalk was filled with qualified epidemiologists.
Who the fuck knew?
Chris
04-05-2020, 08:52 PM
Then you'd better stop being gay.
They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.
James 2:24 ESV
monosylab1k
04-05-2020, 08:54 PM
:lol
Damn. Didnt know spurstalk was filled with qualified epidemiologists.
Who the fuck knew?
We’re all just as qualified as Jared Kushner.
Trill Clinton
04-05-2020, 08:55 PM
Dang
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Trill Clinton
04-05-2020, 08:56 PM
This reply :lmao
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:rollin
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 08:56 PM
:lol
Damn. Didnt know spurstalk was filled with qualified epidemiologists.
Who the fuck knew?
Epidemiologists are still learning about this virus. Still so much we don't know.
slick'81
04-05-2020, 09:15 PM
Epidemiologists are still learning about this virus. Still so much we don't know.
a real enigma d
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 09:22 PM
Great interview here
I wish this guy would run for president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXHikITwlng
CosmicCowboy
04-05-2020, 09:23 PM
First we had the locusts in the holy land. Then we had the boogievirus. If we now get 40 days and nights of rain we are all gonna be asking baby jesus to save our ass.
RandomGuy
04-05-2020, 09:27 PM
No, no, RG. Let Fauci own up to that circa. Everybody has to own up to their old shit. Nobody is ever spared. He should be no different.
& it makes sense...MSM won't touch his AIDs shit. Why? Obviously because it won't stand the gaffe, the light of day.
I have no idea what you are talking about "AIDS hoax". It smells like bullshit from a mile away.
ElNono
04-05-2020, 09:31 PM
Great interview here
I wish this guy would run for president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXHikITwlng
This was recent and very good too. A bit long, but interesting nonetheless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe8fIjxicoo
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 09:33 PM
This was recent and very good too. A bit long, but interesting nonetheless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe8fIjxicoo
Yeah, I watched that one a few days ago. :tu
CosmicCowboy
04-05-2020, 09:36 PM
Great interview here
I wish this guy would run for president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXHikITwlng
Hes way too smart to want to do that.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 10:02 PM
The 0.66 CFR holds up to some basic math.
Hospitals are taking in the 15% of sickest patients.
5% of those are requiring respirator.
80% of respirator patients die.
0.15 * 0.05 * 0.8 = 0.006
baseline bum
04-05-2020, 10:05 PM
Great interview here
I wish this guy would run for president
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXHikITwlng
Yeah that talk from Gates five years ago scared the shit out of me back then, learning how due we were for another H1N1 level pandemic.
DarrinS
04-05-2020, 10:11 PM
Yeah that talk from Gates five years ago scared the shit out of me back then, learning how due we were for another H1N1 level pandemic.
I never saw the 2015 TED talk until recently. Pretty spot on.
Thread
04-05-2020, 10:12 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about "AIDS hoax". It smells like bullshit from a mile away.
You don't recall when AIDs hit (they/Fauci) calmed the populace by stating that "only 30% of HIV patients would contract full blown AIDs."?
Blake
04-05-2020, 11:39 PM
"CNN)Nadia, a tiger at the Bronx Zoo in New York, has become the first of her kind to test positive for the coronavirus.
The 4-year-old female Malayan tiger tested positive after developing a dry cough and is expected to recover, the Wildlife Conservation Society's Bronx Zoo said in a news release.
Samples from Nadia were taken and tested after the tiger -- and five other tigers and lions at the zoo -- began showing symptoms of respiratory illness....."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/05/us/tiger-coronavirus-new-york-trnd/index.html
Winehole23
04-05-2020, 11:44 PM
The de facto US policy of undertesting means COVID-19 cases (and related deaths) are going undetected.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1175291
You don't recall when AIDs hit (they/Fauci) calmed the populace by stating that "only 30% of HIV patients would contract full blown AIDs."?
If you’re straight, you’re A ok.
Those were worrisome times for the gays like Magic and such. This virus on the other hand fucks anything it touches.
Thread
04-05-2020, 11:52 PM
If you’re straight, you’re A ok.
Those were worrisome times for the gays like Magic and such. This virus on the other hand fucks anything it touches.
If you'll recall (they) threw heterosexuals into the melee in that circa. It was a lie, but, they weren't going to let the gays stand the gaffe alone. I knew it was a ruse, but, I'd done some things outside the marriage in that circa so it was one of those times where I ran straight to God in blind panic..."God, please..."
MannyIsGod
04-05-2020, 11:59 PM
The idea that hospital beds are widely available in NYC is wrong and not supported by evidence on the ground.
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slick'81
04-06-2020, 12:02 AM
"CNN)Nadia, a tiger at the Bronx Zoo in New York, has become the first of her kind to test positive for the coronavirus.
The 4-year-old female Malayan tiger tested positive after developing a dry cough and is expected to recover, the Wildlife Conservation Society's Bronx Zoo said in a news release.
Samples from Nadia were taken and tested after the tiger -- and five other tigers and lions at the zoo -- began showing symptoms of respiratory illness....."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/05/us/tiger-coronavirus-new-york-trnd/index.html
So a tiger coughs and it can get a covid test? The fuq!?
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 12:38 AM
Governors shouldn't be trying to get more ventilators. They should be trying to keep people off ventilators.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 12:39 AM
Ventilators are a hail mary vs covid-19.
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 12:40 AM
Oh fuck, you're a doctor too now?
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 12:44 AM
Oh fuck, you're a doctor too now?
My family members are.
midnightpulp
04-06-2020, 12:44 AM
Some "good news." The IME model, which has been driving a lot of policy, has adjusted predicted deaths for California and Texas. CA was projected to be at 5K+ deaths by Aug 4. Texas at 6K by then. Revised. CA at 1700 and TX at 2000. A couple of spikes can change the trajectory, though. So keep the fingers crossed.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 12:45 AM
My family members are.Mine too.
I'm not stupid enough to play one on ST though.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 12:47 AM
Mine too.
I'm not stupid enough to play one on ST though.
I'm not trying to play one, either. What is the survival rate on respirator?
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 12:50 AM
I'm not trying to play one, either. Of course you are. You're making medical equipment decisions and patient prognoses.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 12:50 AM
Some "good news." The IME model, which has been driving a lot of policy, has adjusted predicted deaths for California and Texas. CA was projected to be at 5K+ deaths by Aug 4. Texas at 6K by then. Revised. CA at 1700 and TX at 2000. A couple of spikes can change the trajectory, though. So keep the fingers crossed.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
Wow. That's WAY down from a day or two ago.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 12:51 AM
Of course you are. You're making medical equipment decisions and prognoses.
Fuck off
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 12:52 AM
Fuck offDon't get pissy. They're your posts.
MannyIsGod
04-06-2020, 12:57 AM
Some "good news." The IME model, which has been driving a lot of policy, has adjusted predicted deaths for California and Texas. CA was projected to be at 5K+ deaths by Aug 4. Texas at 6K by then. Revised. CA at 1700 and TX at 2000. A couple of spikes can change the trajectory, though. So keep the fingers crossed.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
FYI that model doesn't factor in possible second waves as social distancing is relaxed. Something to keep in mind when using it.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 12:57 AM
Some "good news." The IME model, which has been driving a lot of policy, has adjusted predicted deaths for California and Texas. CA was projected to be at 5K+ deaths by Aug 4. Texas at 6K by then. Revised. CA at 1700 and TX at 2000. A couple of spikes can change the trajectory, though. So keep the fingers crossed.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
I've been following these models. At least for Texas, this is like 33% reduction. I'll have to use waybackmachine to confirm.
ElNono
04-06-2020, 12:58 AM
Governors shouldn't be trying to get more ventilators. They should be trying to keep people off ventilators.
Ventilators are a hail mary vs covid-19.
This is ridiculous Darrin. Even if there's a 10% chance (and we both know it's closer to 20%) how do you just give up? That's asking for a lawsuit right there and then.
dude21
04-06-2020, 12:59 AM
FYI that model doesn't factor in possible second waves as social distancing is relaxed. Something to keep in mind when using it.
Also our PPE resources are already strained. Can they last that long?
MannyIsGod
04-06-2020, 12:59 AM
You can read about it here.
http://www.healthdata.org/covid/faqs#social%20distancing
No chance we keep social distancing at the same levels through August.
Winehole23
04-06-2020, 01:00 AM
The idea that hospital beds are widely available in NYC is wrong and not supported by evidence on the ground.
1246987704186912768Trump's pressers consist mainly of self-serving disinformation and propaganda. People who don't warch them are better informed than those who do.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 01:01 AM
This is ridiculous Darrin. Even if there's a 10% chance (and we both know it's closer to 20%) how do you just give up? That's asking for a lawsuit right there and then.
Of course they have to provide it, but they know 8-9 out of 10 are fucked. I'll never get on one of those things. Just let me die, tbh. There's a reason they have to sedate you first.
dude21
04-06-2020, 01:02 AM
Also the government is just managing the virus. We need to test everyone and multiple times each person to weed out the virus.
Until I see this, we're going to hit 100k deaths.
slick'81
04-06-2020, 01:02 AM
You can read about it here.
http://www.healthdata.org/covid/faqs#social%20distancing
No chance we keep social distancing at the same levels through August.
yea, probably not reliable at all
MannyIsGod
04-06-2020, 01:02 AM
Trump's pressers consist mainly of self-serving disinformation and propaganda. People who don't warch them are better informed than those who do.
Yup. I stopped after week one. I wish the media would stop carrying them honestly. They're just bullshit sessions with no real value.
MannyIsGod
04-06-2020, 01:03 AM
yea, probably not reliable at all
I wouldn't say that at all. All models are wrong but they still have uses.
dude21
04-06-2020, 01:04 AM
We're just testing sick people meanwhile asymptomatic people just spreading the virus.
Winehole23
04-06-2020, 01:04 AM
Ventilators are a hail mary vs covid-19.I'm not a doctor either, but I've heard Germany has reduced mortality by getting people on respirators sooner rather than later..
ElNono
04-06-2020, 01:05 AM
Of course they have to provide it, but they know 8-9 out of 10 are fucked. I'll never get on one of those things. Just let me die, tbh. There's a reason they have to sedate you first.
That's your choice, but you're basically forfeiting a 1 in 5 chance to survive. That's likely why it's not the most popular choice.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 01:09 AM
I've been following these models. At least for Texas, this is like 33% reduction. I'll have to use waybackmachine to confirm.
4150 projected deaths to 2025. This change from Apr. 1 to Apr. 6.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 01:10 AM
I'm not a doctor either, but I've heard Germany has reduced mortality by getting people on respirators sooner rather than later..
Link?
dude21
04-06-2020, 01:10 AM
I can possibly see some treatment being rolled out in 3.5-5 months from now.
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 01:11 AM
Relatively great news if it holds out.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 01:15 AM
I'm fucking happy as shit right now!
Thanks midnightpulp!
midnightpulp
04-06-2020, 01:15 AM
You can read about it here.
http://www.healthdata.org/covid/faqs#social%20distancing
No chance we keep social distancing at the same levels through August.
We have to hope seasonality plays a role and will offset that impatience. But Summer shouldn't be used to "get back to work" and try to rebuild the base economy. Summer needs to be used to fully prepare ourselves for the second Fall/Winter waves. Full on WWII type mobilization. Ventilator manufacturing, PPE manufacturing, mass testing, converting what ever structures we can find into hospitals. A massive "public works" project like this will also contribute to the economic rebuild. Probably won't happen, though. We'll get complacent. It's the new American way.
Winehole23
04-06-2020, 01:19 AM
Link?Caveat, prompt widely available testing and plenty of respirators and hospital beds-- things we don't have in the US --makes this intervention effective in Germany.
“When I have an early diagnosis and can treat patients early — for example put them on a ventilator before they deteriorate — the chance of survival is much higher,” Professor Kräusslich said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/world/europe/germany-coronavirus-death-rate.html
slick'81
04-06-2020, 01:20 AM
We have to hope seasonality plays a role and will offset that impatience. But Summer shouldn't be used to "get back to work" and try to rebuild the base economy. Summer needs to be used to fully prepare ourselves for the second Fall/Winter waves. Full on WWII type mobilization. Ventilator manufacturing, PPE manufacturing, mass testing, converting what ever structures we can find into hospitals. A massive "public works" project like this will also contribute to the economic rebuild. Probably won't happen, though. We'll get complacent. It's the new American way.
sooo true
The idea that hospital beds are widely available in NYC is wrong and not supported by evidence on the ground.
1246987704186912768
Cuomo said in his presser today (Yesterday now) that they do have like 85 thousand beds. That doesn't mean everyone gets one. I'm thinking those are reserved for the severly ill.
He says beds are no longer than problem. Ventilators are. The thousand ventilators the chinese were supposed to give us haven't come through either.
MannyIsGod
04-06-2020, 01:23 AM
We have to hope seasonality plays a role and will offset that impatience. But Summer shouldn't be used to "get back to work" and try to rebuild the base economy. Summer needs to be used to fully prepare ourselves for the second Fall/Winter waves. Full on WWII type mobilization. Ventilator manufacturing, PPE manufacturing, mass testing, converting what ever structures we can find into hospitals. A massive "public works" project like this will also contribute to the economic rebuild. Probably won't happen, though. We'll get complacent. It's the new American way.
I have zero hope that that happens under Trump.
midnightpulp
04-06-2020, 01:23 AM
sooo true
The Casinos here in CA are already talking about reopening in May. :bang
And they're sovereign land, so the State can't issue an order for them to close. Only the Federal government has authority over them.
Winehole23
04-06-2020, 01:25 AM
This is ridiculous Darrin. Even if there's a 10% chance (and we both know it's closer to 20%) how do you just give up? That's asking for a lawsuit right there and then.Blaming the governors is currently fashionable among the President's supporters. They're partially right, state officials should share the blame for disinvesting in public health and slow-footed responses to a fast moving pandemic, but the whole point of the exercise is to deflect from Trump's catastrophic failure to lead and respond re:COVID-19, which is a threat to the whole country, not just this state or that.
midnightpulp
04-06-2020, 01:28 AM
I have zero hope that that happens under Trump.
Yep. He'll campaign on some "summer of recovery" platitude leading into the election. I do believe this bug is likely seasonal and we'll see case counts and deaths fall to manageable levels over the Summer, leading people to believe we've beaten it. Trump will hold some bullshit feel good rally, probably 4th of July, declaring Covid defeated and America reopened for business. Then when late Oct. rolls around, we'll watch this same movie again.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 01:44 AM
4150 projected deaths to 2025. This change from Apr. 1 to Apr. 6.
Even bigger reduction for CA.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 01:48 AM
Blaming the governors is currently fashionable among the President's supporters. They're partially right, state officials should share the blame for disinvesting in public health and slow-footed responses to a fast moving pandemic, but the whole point of the exercise is to deflect from Trump's catastrophic failure to lead and respond re:COVID-19, which is a threat to the whole country, not just this state or that.
You're just being a huge asshole on this point.
Regardless of your political affiliation, you don't want to be on a respirator. Trust me.
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 01:49 AM
You're just being a huge asshole on this point.
Regardless of your political affiliation, you don't want to be on a respirator. Trust me.Have you been on one?
You're just being a huge asshole on this point.
Regardless of your political affiliation, you don't want to be on a respirator. Trust me.
Why not?
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 01:50 AM
Have you been on one?
Why not?
Odds
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 01:52 AM
OddsOdds of what?
What are you saying your odds are if you are in bad enough shape to be put on a respirator but refuse?
ElNono
04-06-2020, 01:53 AM
The Casinos here in CA are already talking about reopening in May. :bang
And they're sovereign land, so the State can't issue an order for them to close. Only the Federal government has authority over them.
The State can prohibit entry/exit to the land though.
Odds
There are a lot of variables though. The person, age, what type of accident or event led to you being put on it, etc.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 01:56 AM
Odds of what?
What are you saying your odds are if you are in bad enough shape to be put on a respirator but refuse?
Your odds are about 10-20 percent on the vent.
ElNono
04-06-2020, 01:56 AM
Blaming the governors is currently fashionable among the President's supporters. They're partially right, state officials should share the blame for disinvesting in public health and slow-footed responses to a fast moving pandemic, but the whole point of the exercise is to deflect from Trump's catastrophic failure to lead and respond re:COVID-19, which is a threat to the whole country, not just this state or that.
Frankly, it takes some severe tone-deafness to still be a POTUS supporter, especially when it has anything to do with this thing.
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 01:57 AM
Your odds are about 10-20 percent on the vent.And if you're in that bad shape and refuse the vent?
What are your odds then?
ElNono
04-06-2020, 01:58 AM
Your odds are about 10-20 percent on the vent.
Can we agree the odds are substantially less without it? Literally the respirator is breathing for you, that's all the machine does.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 01:58 AM
There are a lot of variables though. The person, age, what type of accident or event led to you being put on it, etc.
Obviously. If you are a young, healthy person, I would do it. It would be a waste on me, tho.
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 02:00 AM
Can we agree the odds are substantially less without it? Literally the respirator is breathing for you, that's all the machine does.I need to hear it from Dr. Darrin to be sure.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 02:01 AM
Can we agree the odds are substantially less without it? Literally the respirator is breathing for you, that's all the machine does.
Sure. But this the sad shit you're witnessing in NYC. It's sad, but it is what it is.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 02:02 AM
I need to hear it from Dr. Darrin to be sure.
Fuck off
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 02:02 AM
Sure, but the death cult be callin' me.
Your odds are about 10-20 percent on the vent.
A super quick google search..
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8404197
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/194560
You can say if you have Coronovirus and put on one, then your chances might not be so good. But that's specific.
You cant generalized and say everyone in the world who gets put on a ventilatior for x reason only has 10% chance of survival. Not true.
DarrinS
04-06-2020, 02:04 AM
Oh well, I heard some very positive information tonight.
Weird how some of you responded to it.
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 02:05 AM
Oh well, I heard some very positive information tonight.
Weird how some of you responded to it.Don't be passive aggressive now, Dr. Darrin.
ElNono
04-06-2020, 02:06 AM
Sure. But this the sad shit you're witnessing in NYC. It's sad, but it is what it is.
I don't know what's sad about 1 in 5, maybe 1 in 10 people that are sick being saved by a respirator. Even in the worst, 10% case, that's > 950 lives saved at this point (If my math checks out)
Oh well, I heard some very positive information tonight.
Weird how some of you responded to it.
Well I am assuming you're talking about ventilators in general, not this virus specifically. If the latter than my bad.
I'm not following this thread from when I left it a few hours ago.
ChumpDumper
04-06-2020, 02:07 AM
I don't know what's sad about 1 in 5, maybe 1 in 10 people that are sick being saved by a respirator. Even in the worst, 10% case, that's > 950 lives saved at this point.I heard some positive information about ventilators tonight.
Weird how Dr. Darrin responded to it.
MannyIsGod
04-06-2020, 02:08 AM
Odds
Wait you think the odds are better if you aren't on one? Uhhhhhhh
MannyIsGod
04-06-2020, 02:12 AM
Oh well, I heard some very positive information tonight.
Weird how some of you responded to it.
Bro you have a strange way of dealing with the stress of all this and I can forgive it because its hard to deal with all of this. But don't blame others because they don't grasp at straws that you are. If you want to be comforted I'm not sure why you'd ever coe to this forum. You have a long history of shitting on science in this forum and that is the context people are going to view your posts with. Like it or not, this is what you've done to yourself.
I give you the benefit of the doubt here because it really does seem like this whole situation has fucked you up, but you need SOME self awareness about how you've acted for over a decade now and why people act the way they do towards you and your post at this time.
clambake
04-06-2020, 02:27 AM
i guess darrin's not anti-christ anymore
you praying now, darrin?
Chris
04-06-2020, 03:39 AM
"Stop being so passive aggressive" says the guy with the Pavlov troll account and God knows how many others :lol
picnroll
04-06-2020, 04:38 AM
I have no idea what you are talking about "AIDS hoax". It smells like bullshit from a mile away.
Like to see a link on that supposed statement. Otherwise complete bullshit by someone just trying to cast shade on Fauci for his hero.
picnroll
04-06-2020, 05:12 AM
I heard some positive information about ventilators tonight.
Weird how Dr. Darrin responded to it.
One article from one institution said they were finding better results if ventilators were used at lower power pressure like would be used for high altitude pulmonary edema than high positive high pressure as is used for ARDS which is the way it’s being used now.
ElNono
04-06-2020, 05:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZbDg24dfN0
ElNono
04-06-2020, 05:50 AM
Japan’s Abe to declare state of emergency to cover major cities Tokyo, Osaka as infections rise sharply
TOKYO — Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said he will declare a state of emergency on Tuesday to cover seven prefectures, including Tokyo and the city of Osaka, which are the most severely affected by the coronavirus outbreak.
“The period will be for one month as a rough estimate, and this declaration is issued in order to ask for more cooperation from the public to reduce as much as possible people-to-people contact that could lead to infections, and to establish the medical system to deal with the situation,” he said.
Abe said he would also announce an “unprecedented” economic rescue package on Tuesday equivalent to around 20 percent of the gross domestic product.
“We must keep protecting employment,” he said.
Under the state of emergency, people will be asked to refrain from going outdoors, but no legal penalties will be imposed for non-compliance. Companies may be asked to tell employees to work from home, and schools may be closed, but trains will continue to run and supermarkets will stay open.
Infections have begun to rise sharply in Japan over the past two weeks, with around 360 new cases found on Sunday, bringing the number of people who have contracted the virus to 3,865, with 93 deaths, not including cases and fatalities from the Diamond Princess cruise ship.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/04/06/coronavirus-latest-news/
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so much for Japan doing well...
https://twitter.com/ezracheungtoto/status/1243869774410469376
Fucking WHO is coddling China and we can prolly blame that useless organization for this pandemic
We have to hope seasonality plays a role and will offset that impatience. But Summer shouldn't be used to "get back to work" and try to rebuild the base economy. Summer needs to be used to fully prepare ourselves for the second Fall/Winter waves. Full on WWII type mobilization. Ventilator manufacturing, PPE manufacturing, mass testing, converting what ever structures we can find into hospitals. A massive "public works" project like this will also contribute to the economic rebuild. Probably won't happen, though. We'll get complacent. It's the new American way.
Yep. He'll campaign on some "summer of recovery" platitude leading into the election. I do believe this bug is likely seasonal and we'll see case counts and deaths fall to manageable levels over the Summer, leading people to believe we've beaten it. Trump will hold some bullshit feel good rally, probably 4th of July, declaring Covid defeated and America reopened for business. Then when late Oct. rolls around, we'll watch this same movie again.
The other (and still scary) side to this is that we'll have to lean on the private sector developing some kind of miracle treatment by October. Obviously there won't be a vaccine, but will there be some kind of anti-viral treatment?
The sad thing is that a massive medical and technology infrastructure program a) is exactly what's needed and b) can be touted as Phase IV of the stimulus. Dear Leader could pass himself off as a modern day FDR. But he obviously won't, which is a silver lining I suppose ...
Spurs Homer
04-06-2020, 09:17 AM
If you'll recall (they) threw heterosexuals into the melee in that circa. It was a lie, but, they weren't going to let the gays stand the gaffe alone. I knew it was a ruse, but, I'd done some things outside the marriage in that circa so it was one of those times where I ran straight to God in blind panic..."God, please..."
how many bulls did you bend over for?
Winehole23
04-06-2020, 09:30 AM
You're just being a huge asshole on this point.
Regardless of your political affiliation, you don't want to be on a respirator. Trust me.If my chances of living are increased by 10%-20% I sure do. YMMV.
Thread
04-06-2020, 09:30 AM
how many bulls did you bend over for?
I'll let that pass because Trump made President.
Spurs Homer
04-06-2020, 09:33 AM
I'll let that pass because Trump made President.
you emulated magic johnsons lifestyle (M-A-G-I-C: "My Ass Got Infected Coach!")
during the aids crisis?
:lol:lol
Thread
04-06-2020, 09:40 AM
you emulated magic johnsons lifestyle (M-A-G-I-C: "My Ass Got Infected Coach!")
during the aids crisis?
:lol:lol
I'll let that pass as well because Trump is President forever like the 44 before him.
Spurs Homer
04-06-2020, 09:42 AM
I'll let that pass as well because Trump is *impeached-President forever like the *2 before him.
fify
baseline bum
04-06-2020, 09:43 AM
Some "good news." The IME model, which has been driving a lot of policy, has adjusted predicted deaths for California and Texas. CA was projected to be at 5K+ deaths by Aug 4. Texas at 6K by then. Revised. CA at 1700 and TX at 2000. A couple of spikes can change the trajectory, though. So keep the fingers crossed.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
I hope, but man that sounds low. We already have a nursing home in San Antonio with something like 80 of 86 patients COVID-19 positive.
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04-06-2020, 09:43 AM
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Only pussies & assholes edit another poster's shit.
Spurs Homer
04-06-2020, 10:01 AM
Only pussies & assholes Support the traitor in chief and eat his shit.
baseline bum
04-06-2020, 10:08 AM
One article from one institution said they were finding better results if ventilators were used at lower power pressure like would be used for high altitude pulmonary edema than high positive high pressure as is used for ARDS which is the way it’s being used now.
Never knew you'd need a ventilator for HAPE. I suspect I had it about eight years ago backpacking around 12,000 feet (there is a checklist of about five symptoms, if you have two you should consider yourself to have it, and I checked 3/5 really clearly and had been dealing with AMS for three days before). It was frightening because I was in amazing shape and couldn't walk ten feet without being exhausted and having to sit for a minute. But as soon as I got down to the road at about 8000 feet I could breath again and by the time I got down to 4000 feet I just felt exhausted but ok.
monosylab1k
04-06-2020, 10:14 AM
:lmao DarrinS talks out of his ass all night and then gets butthurt when people notice.
baseline bum
04-06-2020, 10:20 AM
so much for Japan doing well...
No reason to cover shit up now with the Olympics postponed.
hater
04-06-2020, 10:26 AM
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04-06-2020, 10:27 AM
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lol!!!
hater
04-06-2020, 10:28 AM
sweden is getting whats coming to them
https://twitter.com/freedom1776__/status/1247180001100922883?s=21
baseline bum
04-06-2020, 10:30 AM
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You hear we gave it to tigers in the Bronx Zoo?
SnakeBoy
04-06-2020, 10:31 AM
I hope, but man that sounds low. We already have a nursing home in San Antonio with something like 80 of 86 patients COVID-19 positive.
If you knew the real story behind that nursing home situation you'd be so fucking pissed.
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