Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Nathan89]

Evidence over hysteria — COVID-19

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

More world wide data gathered in one article than I’ve seen anywhere else. His numbers give some hope that it’s not as bad as the media has been selling it. Hope he’s correct.

Good info. The temporary shutdown till mass testing seems reasonable to me though.

[pgardn]

Don’t be obtuse, of course what I posted was “media”

His sources (include CDC, WHO, NIH, NHS, University of Oxford, Stanford, Harvard, NEJM, JAMA, and several others)

Great. Good sutff.

So whats the media?
Its not obtuse.

What sites do you trust, what do you not trust?

Your one of the guys that pieced together pizza gate and then say WE cant trust THE MEDIA.
Of all the people on this board you really need to guide us, because your rep was shot to pieces.

[boutons_deux]

Evidence over hysteria — COVID-19

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

More world wide data gathered in one article than I’ve seen anywhere else. His numbers give some hope that it’s not as bad as the media has been selling it. Hope he’s correct.

60M Americans got apparently less transmissible and DEFINITELY many times less mortal H1N1 in 2009-2010.

How many Ms of Americans will get covid-19 does your "evidence" guy estimate?

when his article doesn't even refer to the HARD evidence of USA's 2009 H1N1 pandemic?

Why wouldn't the 2009 pandemic indicate what will happen in the 2020 pandemic?

[midnightpulp]

Great. Good sutff.

So whats the media?
Its not obtuse.

What sites do you trust, what do you not trust?

It's a good article. No lefty/righty "spin" and just facts, sources (white papers from trusted academics), and numbers.

[TheGreatYacht]

ACT NOW! Biometric Tracking aka Mark Of The Beast & 5G 60Ghz Being Installed In The Schools.

https://youtu.be/3LAmlRuq6lE

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Fox News included, or do they report with integrity?

I spare no Media. Fox is as dirty as the rest of 'em.

[TheGreatYacht]

I spare no Media. Fox is as dirty as the rest of 'em.

Nathan89 and Chris disagree

[pgardn]

It's a good article. No lefty/righty "spin" and just facts, sources (white papers from trusted academics), and numbers.

You dont know who this was aimed at.
A guy who has given us horrible sources AND blames "THE MEDIA"
I want to know who this is.

]It is important to note that in both scenarios, the total number of COVID-19 cases will be similar. “Flattening the curve”’s focus is a shock to the healthcare system which can increase fatalities due to capacity constraints. In the long-term, it isn’t infection prevention. Unfortunately, “flattening the curve” doesn’t include other downsides and costs of execution.


As far as facts and only facts I will give you one place he completely missed the boat above.
The costs of execution goes up when doctors and healthcare workers also get sick and supplies run thin. We need shifts, you will see this problem taking place in the NY hospitals already. The costs of execution does go up when you get health care workers getting overwhelmed (no shifts) and supplies asked for at one big moment. So he does NOT understand the cost of execution by prolonging the number of cases. We are seeing it in individual hospitals.

And thats just one part.

[benefactor]

Never thought I'd say this...good stuff TSA:tu

[vy65]

Didn't read the article yet, but I already intuitively agree with it. I want to stress that we do need to take all precautions necessary (limited social interaction, hygiene, etc) to limit spread and give healthcare a chance to catch up, but the media isn't offering enough counterpoints to the "doom and gloom" scenarios. As I've said in many posts, the mortality rate looks scary when you simply divide deaths by confirmed cases, but it stands to reason there's tens of thousands of unconfirmed cases out there where those persons probably had zero-to-very mild symptoms and have already recovered (Italy was only testing people who exhibited severe symptoms). Our current mortality rate in that regard is 1.2 percent. But what if the virus in reality is 5x as prevalent as the confirmed case count, the mortality rate is around flu levels, which people would emotionally be more comfortable with.

I also think the general populace is under the impression that the stay at home orders and such mean that this virus is so deadly, you need to check out of society or face certain death, when it's just about the oft-repeated "flattening the curve."

So much this. You can’t have the doom and gloom of asymptomatic spread without discounting the death rate by projected no-to-mild symptomatic cases.

[midnightpulp]

You dont know who this was aimed at.
A guy who has given us horrible sources AND blames "THE MEDIA"
I want to know who this is.

]It is important to note that in both scenarios, the total number of COVID-19 cases will be similar. “Flattening the curve”’s focus is a shock to the healthcare system which can increase fatalities due to capacity constraints. In the long-term, it isn’t infection prevention. Unfortunately, “flattening the curve” doesn’t include other downsides and costs of execution.


As far as facts and only facts I will give you one place he completely missed the boat above.
The costs of execution goes up when doctors and healthcare workers also get sick and supplies run thin. We need shifts, you will see this problem taking place in the NY hospitals already. The costs of execution does go up when you get health care workers getting overwhelmed (no shifts) and supplies asked for at one big moment. So he does NOT understand the cost of execution by prolonging the number of cases. We are seeing it in individual hospitals.

And thats just one part.

I misspoke a bit, and the writer does editorialize at the end (which is informed by what looks like a Libertarian point-of-view), but I don't find any issues with his data and the extrapolation of the data. All sources are credible.

I think he's weighing what will be the costs of a long term societal shutdown. I do agree with you over him in that regard. We shouldn't resume business as usual quite yet until we get more data and can get a clearer picture of the virus's trajectory and until healthcare systems in densely populated areas catch up. But I do agree that society can't shutdown and citizens can't operate in an eternal "social distancing" paranoia until a vaccine is found. Just not plausible. I find scaremongering, apocalyptic articles that have the "lefty" spin much worse.


We don’t know exactly what this new future looks like, of course. But one can imagine a world in which, to get on a flight, perhaps you’ll have to be signed up to a service that tracks your movements via your phone. The airline wouldn’t be able to see where you’d gone, but it would get an alert if you’d been close to known infected people or disease hot spots. There’d be similar requirements at the entrance to large venues, government buildings, or public transport hubs. There would be temperature scanners everywhere, and your workplace might demand you wear a monitor that tracks your temperature or other vital signs. Where nightclubs ask for proof of age, in future they might ask for proof of immunity—an identity card or some kind of digital verification via your phone, showing you’ve already recovered from or been vaccinated against the latest virus strains.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615370/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/

And shit like that legitimizes the "fascist government" fears many are having right now. A very irresponsible article.

[baseline bum]

Fuck. I have had a sore throat for a week, maybe ten days, but I always get one when oak pollen comes for the spring. But if this is corona it kicks like a fucking mule. I have been puking since about 7:30 this morning and my body feels like it has been hit by a Mack truck. Checked my temp 3 times today and 98.6, 98.5, 97.9 so no fever yet though. Back for fucking bed.

[picnroll]

Good 30” presentation about spread and other factors.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csym38

[Thread]

Fuck. I have had a sore throat for a week, maybe ten days, but I always get one when oak pollen comes for the spring. But if this is corona it kicks like a fucking mule. I have been puking since about 7:30 this morning and my body feels like it has been hit by a Mack truck. Checked my temp 3 times today and 98.6, 98.5, 97.9 so no fever yet though. Back for fucking bed.

It's your penance for starting (bend over) up again. Now I can't stop doing it.

This morning:::

Katie: "My plantar fascistic is bothering me, Dale."
Dale: "Bend over, I'll plantar your fascistic."

[midnightpulp]

So much this. You can’t have the doom and gloom of asymptomatic spread without discounting the death rate by projected no-to-mild symptomatic cases.

Yep. The lethality of this virus is massively overstated. Too bad Italy is the "perfect" example for a scaremongering media to use here, but they lazily just flash a bunch of graphs on screen, video of tanks of transporting bodies, and scream, "We're going to wind up just like Italy!" without investigating the details, i.e. Italy didn't test everyone, their population is older on average, many of whom have multiple pre-existing health conditions, multiple family generations often live in the same household, greater population density, and when you zoom out, 4000 of their citizens died vs. their 60 million population. 23K die of the flu every year in Italy.

But again I'll stress I'm not trying to understate. We need to do everything possible to flatten the curve.

[boutons_deux]

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Is this Aaron Ginn's agenda a right wing / Kock Bros / SPN agenda?

"I’m an individual American who sees his community and loved ones being decimated :lol

without given a choice, :lol

without empathy, :lol

and while the media cheers on with high ratings. :lol

The health of the State will be even stronger with more Americans dependent on welfare, :lol

another trillion stimulus filled with pork for powerful friends" :lol includes the Koch network with revenues from BigOil and BigFinance

An unpicked BIG CHERRY:

2009 H1N1 infected 60M Americans

with the best Dem Federal govt could manage,

vs

now when the Repug Federal govt mismanaging from Day One, eg, fatally low, fatally delayed testing.

[vy65]

Yep. The lethality of this virus is massively overstated. Too bad Italy is the "perfect" example for a scaremongering media to use here, but they lazily just flash a bunch of graphs on screen, video of tanks of transporting bodies, and scream, "We're going to wind up just like Italy!" without investigating the details, i.e. Italy didn't test everyone, their population is older on average, many of whom have multiple pre-existing health conditions, multiple family generations often live in the same household, greater population density, and when you zoom out, 4000 of their citizens died vs. their 60 million population. 23K die of the flu every year in Italy.

But again I'll stress I'm not trying to understate. We need to do everything possible to flatten the curve.


More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

After deaths from the virus reached more than 2,500, with a 150% increase in the past week, health authorities have been combing through data to provide clues to help combat the spread of the disease.

Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte’s government is evaluating whether to extend a nationwide lockdown beyond the beginning of April, daily La Stampa reported Wednesday. Italy has more than 31,500 confirmed cases of the illness.

The new study could provide insight into why Italy’s death rate, at about 8% of total infected people, is higher than in other countries.

The Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.

More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.

The median age of the infected is 63 but most of those who die are older. The average age of those who’ve died from the virus in Italy is 79.5. As of March 17, 17 people under 50 had died from the disease. All of Italy’s victims under 40 have been males with serious existing medical conditions.

While data released Tuesday point to a slowdown in the increase of cases, with a 12.6% rise, a separate study shows Italy could be underestimating the real number of cases by testing only patients presenting symptoms.

According to the GIMBE Foundation, about 100,000 Italians have contracted the virus, daily Il Sole 24 Ore reported. That would bring back the country’s death rate closer to the global average of about 2%.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says?fbclid=IwAR14zh9HjsKkFyz_-rzOUKq6ULIbSS9uvTYKtwc-BnKRx8FG0hCNe4z1xBc

Follow the link. The graph shows that nearly 75% of deaths were of people who had 2 or more pre-existing health conditions.

[vy65]

Yes exercise precautions and yes be hygienic. But the notion that the world has ended is ridiculous. The disaster pornography from Italy doesn’t help. Nor does media sensationalism. One can be sober and take the pandemic seriously without whipping up into a panicked frenzy

[CosmicCowboy]

Fuck. I have had a sore throat for a week, maybe ten days, but I always get one when oak pollen comes for the spring. But if this is corona it kicks like a fucking mule. I have been puking since about 7:30 this morning and my body feels like it has been hit by a Mack truck. Checked my temp 3 times today and 98.6, 98.5, 97.9 so no fever yet though. Back for fucking bed.

Dang. Sorry dude! That sucks.

[boutons_deux]

"the notion that the world has ended is ridiculous." :lol who said that?

The disaster pornography from Italy doesn’t help. :lol More dead in Italy than in China

Nor does media sensationalism. :lol

whipping up into a panicked frenzy :lol who is doing that

[vy65]

"the notion that the world has ended is ridiculous." :lol who said that?

The disaster pornography from Italy doesn’t help. :lol More dead in Italy than in China

Nor does media sensationalism. :lol

whipping up into a panicked frenzy :lol who is doing that

Solid, reasoned, and well thought out post. :tu

[DarrinS]

Yes exercise precautions and yes be hygienic. But the notion that the world has ended is ridiculous. The disaster pornography from Italy doesn’t help. Nor does media sensationalism. One can be sober and take the pandemic seriously without whipping up into a panicked frenzy

This 100%

Just the fact that people are having better hand hygiene and avoiding dense crowds should drive transmission way down.

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Yes exercise precautions and yes be hygienic. But the notion that the world has ended is ridiculous. The disaster pornography from Italy doesn’t help. Nor does media sensationalism. One can be sober and take the pandemic seriously without whipping up into a panicked frenzy

Primarily because Trump is President in an Election Year. It's the perfect time frame to attack him, they FINALLY got him where they want him. (Media) won't be blamed & can cast off any restraints & go whole hog.

& notice the less of a rapid increase in the death count the harder Media attacks him. It's safe. They're not as apt to attack him at an Italy death count as they are at the actual death count (270).

[Thread]

This 100%

Just the fact that people are having better hand hygiene and avoiding dense crowds should drive transmission way down.

...& Media does not want that. Yes, the [hand washing] they want, superficially. & like I said above they don't want an Italy death count. They want a death count where they can "stab" HIM with a thousand cuts for months on end. [They} can't stab Him at an Italy 800 deaths a day. They'd have to "run" for their lives at that count.

& they want to remain stationary so they can do their part during this election cycle.

[pgardn]

On Italy.

Some of our big 3-d cities could follow their path.
But overall I doubt it.
Big smokers and piled on top of each other.

Seriously just think of all the people sitting at home who need to be entertained.
So you hit all your audience. Scare some into severely curtailing their lifestyle, call it a US-Israeli invention, say it no big deal, buy now ("You see Im ahead of the game but still giving you my secrets")

Everyone has an angle to entertain or advance viewer/readership.

[DarrinS]

Fuck. I have had a sore throat for a week, maybe ten days, but I always get one when oak pollen comes for the spring. But if this is corona it kicks like a fucking mule. I have been puking since about 7:30 this morning and my body feels like it has been hit by a Mack truck. Checked my temp 3 times today and 98.6, 98.5, 97.9 so no fever yet though. Back for fucking bed.

Get a z-pak from your pharmacy.

[pgardn]

...& Media does not want that. Yes, the [hand washing] they want, superficially. & like I said above they don't want an Italy death count. They want a death count where they can "stab" HIM with a thousand cuts for months on end.

Seriously, who is the media that wants to be inaccurate?

[Thread]

On Italy.

Some of our big 3-d cities could follow their path.
But overall I doubt it.
Big smokers and piled on top of each other.

Seriously just think of all the people sitting at home who need to be entertained.
So you hit all your audience. Scare some into severely curtailing their lifestyle, call it a US-Israeli invention, say it no big deal, buy now ("You see Im ahead of the game but still giving you my secrets")

Everyone has an angle to entertain or advance viewer/readership.

Yes, as soon as 100% of America realized it wasn't an ELE an Extinction Level Event 50% of America went to selling shit, hand-over-fist to 100% of America.

[Thread]

Seriously, who is the media that wants to be inaccurate?

No need to differentiate, peeg. I did not stutter.

[pgardn]

Yes, as soon as 100% of America realized it wasn't an ELE an Extinction Level Event 50% of America went to selling shit, hand-over-fist to 100% of America.

The visual media is notably bad I will start off there.
Can you continue...

[boutons_deux]

Solid, reasoned, and well thought out post. :tu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aiAdL8yy1Q

[pgardn]

Yes, as soon as 100% of America realized it wasn't an ELE an Extinction Level Event 50% of America went to selling shit, hand-over-fist to 100% of America.

Well the medical community needs to buy a whole lot of shit in short supply so I hope someone is selling it.
They need more rooms, space and medical people in some big cities right now, in addition to gloves, gowns, equipment for lungs.
NY is already releasing patients non covid early too make room.

[picnroll]

Didn't read the article yet, but I already intuitively agree with it. I want to stress that we do need to take all precautions necessary (limited social interaction, hygiene, etc) to limit spread and give healthcare a chance to catch up, but the media isn't offering enough counterpoints to the "doom and gloom" scenarios. As I've said in many posts, the mortality rate looks scary when you simply divide deaths by confirmed cases, but it stands to reason there's tens of thousands of unconfirmed cases out there where those persons probably had zero-to-very mild symptoms and have already recovered (Italy was only testing people who exhibited severe symptoms). Our current mortality rate in that regard is 1.2 percent. But what if the virus in reality is 5x as prevalent as the confirmed case count, the mortality rate is around flu levels, which people would emotionally be more comfortable with.

I also think the general populace is under the impression that the stay at home orders and such mean that this virus is so deadly, you need to check out of society or face certain death, when it's just about the oft-repeated "flattening the curve."
There is one very serious fallacy in his analysis. He can’t draw some comparisons to China and Korea. Both of those countries had single well confined epicenters with strong confinement and effective tracking and in the case of Korea testing.
The audio I posted included data from a city in Italy, Padua where every single person was tested, how many were positive and how many of the positive were symptomatic, institution of quarantining of positives, retesting of the non-quarantined and how many of those became positive. Also another study in the audio discuses testing patients who were antibody positive, had been infected and developed immunity and how that information could be used. Good listen for those who want some hard data points.

As a subjective impression of what’s going on there’s an article in The NY Times of the devastation happening in NYC hospitals right now soon to get far, far worse.

[DarrinS]

Smart folks working around the clock on treatments

https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2020/03/21/a_covid-19_treatment_might_already_exist_in_old_drugs_1113 30.html

[ElNono]

Evidence over hysteria — COVID-19

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

More world wide data gathered in one article than I’ve seen anywhere else. His numbers give some hope that it’s not as bad as the media has been selling it. Hope he’s correct.


Was about to post this. :tu

Thanks for sharing, hope you guys didn't skip over this nugget in there:

Higher fatality rates in China, Iran, and Italy are more likely associated with a sudden shock to the healthcare system unable to address demands and doesn’t accurately reflect viral fatality rates.

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks for sharing, hope you guys didn't skip over this nugget in there:

Higher fatality rates in China, Iran, and Italy are more likely associated with a sudden shock to the healthcare system unable to address demands and doesn’t accurately reflect viral fatality rates.Right. I think media and government are are talking about so many things at once they forget to repeat the main points: All this shit is being done to flatten the curve. Wash your hands and keep your distance. Quit hoarding. Really needs to be the tag line for every media story and government address.

[Thread]

Well the medical community needs to buy a whole lot of shit in short supply so I hope someone is selling it.
They need more rooms, space and medical people in some big cities right now, in addition to gloves, gowns, equipment for lungs.
NY is already releasing patients non covid early too make room.

Again, the "Airport" example:::"You don't plan for a once in a century snow storm. You plan for a regular winter and then when the once in a century snowstorm happens you work around the clock and do the best you can."

That's what we're doing. We're working around the clock, doing the best we can. God willing & the creek don't rise the vast lion's share of this "addition to gloves, equipment for lungs," et al will, before Election Day find itself in "surplus stores" & eBay & Internet sales rooms for pennies on the dollar, or, unsaleable.

[Thread]

Right. I think media and government are are talking about so many things at once they forget to repeat the main points: All this shit is being done to flatten the curve. Wash your hands and keep your distance. Quit hoarding. Really needs to be the tag line for every media story and government address.

"We're" not going to quit hoarding, Dumps. It's a frenzy now, an American frenzy, almost a dare (to stop).

[ChumpDumper]

"We're" not going to quit hoarding, Dumps. It's a frenzy now, an American frenzy, almost a dare (to stop).Yep, Trump isn't even trying to stop you.

[boutons_deux]

Higher fatality rates in China, Iran, and Italy are more likely associated with a sudden shock to the healthcare system unable to address demands and doesn’t accurately reflect viral fatality rates.

:lol

Amazing that Koch Bros troll even put that in there,

I guess his idea was to imply that the dysfunctional /under-supplied USA for-profit Capitalist healthcare system, geared totally to maximize profits and minimize healthcare, is "ABLE to address demands" :lol

[Nathan89]

We need some fear mongering to get people to at least take precautions. Which is needed to flatten the curve while not locking everyone down. A temporary shutdown gives everyone across the country notice and encourages those precautions.

Getting mass testing setup as well as the manufacturing of essentials is also a bonus. Most people still don't even have access to hand sanitizer.

[pgardn]

Again, the "Airport" example:::"You don't plan for a once in a century snow storm. You plan for a regular winter and then when the once in a century snowstorm happens you work around the clock and do the best you can."

That's what we're doing. We're working around the clock, doing the best we can. God willing & the creek don't rise the vast lion's share of this "addition to gloves, equipment for lungs," et al will, before Election Day find itself in "surplus stores" & eBay & Internet sales rooms for pennies on the dollar, or, unsaleable.

After this is over there will be government warehouses with the essentials ready to distribute.
A plan for converting regular hospital rooms to ICUs. A plan for moving medical people to alleviate dead tired workers.
This is not that century snowstorm that just hit the Northeast. This is not a cat 6 hurricane that struck the gulf coast.

[DMC]

We need some fear mongering to get people to at least take precautions. Which is needed to flatten the curve while not locking everyone down. A temporary shutdown gives everyone across the country notice and encourages those precautions.

Getting mass testing setup as well as the manufacturing of essentials is also a bonus. Most people still don't even have access to hand sanitizer.

Be careful. Fear mongering can lead to worse things than the current coronavirus outlook. You see how stupid the people are as a group, spook them and they stampede. The fallout could make fighting the virus that much more difficult.

If you drive to work daily, as many here do, you know that there's a percentage of people who take advantage of what others do to create a safe driving experience for everyone, by bypassing safe driving tactics and cutting through traffic to avoid being in the que. The fact there's a que makes it possible for that many cars to exist on the road at the same time, and these people accept that and need it, but they are parasitic and do not participate. The same will happen with these virus preparations. Some will take advantage of the fact the rest of us do things to make our surroundings palpable, like only taking what you need. They will instead take everything they can and pretend they are an anomaly, a flier that can be dismissed because it doesn't affect the overall numbers. Get a lot doing that and you have what you have now.

[ChumpDumper]

After this is over there will be government warehouses with the essentials ready to distribute.
A plan for converting regular hospital rooms to ICUs. A plan for moving medical people to alleviate dead tired workers.New uses for dead malls and big boxes!

This shit finally broke one of my sisters. She's sending me new age-y YouTubes that are basically QAnon. So half the surviving children are nutbags; only question is which half.

[midnightpulp]

There is one very serious fallacy in his analysis. He can’t draw some comparisons to China and Korea. Both of those countries had single well confined epicenters with strong confinement and effective tracking and in the case of Korea testing.
The audio I posted included data from a city in Italy, Padua where every single person was tested, how many were positive and how many of the positive were symptomatic, institution of quarantining of positives, retesting of the non-quarantined and how many of those became positive. Also another study in the audio discuses testing patients who were antibody positive, had been infected and developed immunity and how that information could be used. Good listen for those who want some hard data points.

As a subjective impression of what’s going on there’s an article in The NY Times of the devastation happening in NYC hospitals right now soon to get far, far worse.

As he did in the article, I'll theorize those were just defined as epicenters after the fact. China tried to hide the virus for a couple months into the Lunar New Year, where there was no lockdown and they freely moved about their country and the world. There's probably multiple epicenters we'll never know about and cases that were never reported since the affected persons probably thought they had a cold. Any deaths during that time frame were probably attributed to viral pneumonia brought on by the flu. Just an anecdote, but many workers I know at the local Casino here (which has thousands of Asian customers [of course not all Chinese, but stands to reason some of them are]) all got sick at the same time with Covid symptoms. Basically, I think this virus has been circulating here for far longer than we know. I have a hard time believing we pinned down the patient zero (supposedly the man in Seattle).

But yeah, don't disagree that densely populated areas in climates and lifestyles that are hospitable to Covid transmission will be hit harder, like New York. I don't see the fate of Texas, Florida, California, and the Midwest in general suffering the same fate. Less population density, warmer climate, little mass transit. So that's why I take issue with the doomsday scenarios that the virus will sweep through the entire country and every US city will become a version of Italy.

[ElNono]

We need some fear mongering to get people to at least take precautions. Which is needed to flatten the curve while not locking everyone down. A temporary shutdown gives everyone across the country notice and encourages those precautions.

Getting mass testing setup as well as the manufacturing of essentials is also a bonus. Most people still don't even have access to hand sanitizer.

DMC beat me to it. Fear mongering is not the way to go. Educating people is.

[midnightpulp]

Thanks for sharing, hope you guys didn't skip over this nugget in there:

Higher fatality rates in China, Iran, and Italy are more likely associated with a sudden shock to the healthcare system unable to address demands and doesn’t accurately reflect viral fatality rates.

I think even the most ardent conservative will agree with flattening the curve. Where conservatives do have a point, though, is I don't think a state like Utah needs to be under the same restraints as New York. Many of those sparsely populated, Midwest and warmer Southwest states rely on "mainstreet" for pretty much everything. Even a one month lockdown where only "essential" businesses are allowed to operate could economically destroy many of those communities. I can empathize with there concerns here.

[DMC]

Yes, as soon as 100% of America realized it wasn't an ELE an Extinction Level Event 50% of America went to selling shit, hand-over-fist to 100% of America.

In 2013 they were even selling our shit.

[florige]

Be careful. Fear mongering can lead to worse things than the current coronavirus outlook. You see how stupid the people are as a group, spook them and they stampede. The fallout could make fighting the virus that much more difficult.

If you drive to work daily, as many here do, you know that there's a percentage of people who take advantage of what others do to create a safe driving experience for everyone, by bypassing safe driving tactics and cutting through traffic to avoid being in the que. The fact there's a que makes it possible for that many cars to exist on the road at the same time, and these people accept that and need it, but they are parasitic and do not participate. The same will happen with these virus preparations. Some will take advantage of the fact the rest of us do things to make our surroundings palpable, like only taking what you need. They will instead take everything they can and pretend they are an anomaly, a flier that can be dismissed because it doesn't affect the overall numbers. Get a lot doing that and you have what you have now.


I always told people that if we ever were to get some kind of real disaster type situation whatever scenario it happened to be, we as a a human society would probably do alot of the damage to ourselves before the actual disaster situation actually got to us due to fear mongering.

[Thread]

Yep, Trump isn't even trying to stop you.

I knew you wouldn't stay course of conversation. Damn ya!

[ChumpDumper]

I knew you wouldn't stay course of conversation. Damn ya!Nah, it was exactly what I was saying. I believe Trump said one thing about hoarding in the last week.

Not enough.

[boutons_deux]

"spatial dynamics / spread" of 2009 H1N1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4055284/

[Thread]

Nah, it was exactly what I was saying. I believe Trump said one thing about hoarding in the last week.

Not enough.

He's talked about it briefly every day. But, people ain't going to listen, especially to a (big shot) & he knows that without being told. That's why he didn't lecture, just lightly hit it.

"Fuck him, I hate that bastard, won't vote for him and nobody is telling me not to buy something."
---------
"Fuck him, I like him as President, and will vote him for again---if he doesn't press this issue, and nobody is telling me not to buy something."

All you can do is what stores are doing...keep the shelves full as much as possible to sate shoppers/hoarders & make money hand-over-fist. This bonanza will not last forever & stores know it.

[baseline bum]

Fuck up to 100.4 now.

[Will Hunting]

Fuck up to 100.4 now.
Jesus man, hope you don’t need to but go to the hospital if it’s not better tomorrow.

[DarrinS]

Thanks for sharing, hope you guys didn't skip over this nugget in there:

Higher fatality rates in China, Iran, and Italy are more likely associated with a sudden shock to the healthcare system unable to address demands and doesn’t accurately reflect viral fatality rates.


I saw that, and it makes perfect sense.

[baseline bum]

Jesus man, hope you don’t need to but go to the hospital if it’s not better tomorrow.

I actually feel better than when I was 98.6 but I'm definitely a little nervous getting that fever. If I get up to 103 or start getting that dry cough I'm going to the ER.

[Blake]

Have no fear, Thread. Just tell them "my body my choice". Most people will be willing to take the test but I know a non insignificant portion won't. If you encounter someone that tests positive and are unwilling to take the test you'll probably need to self isolate to make sure. The system doesn't have to be air tight. It just needs to prevent the hospitals from getting rushed. An "air tight" system like China is not even preferable.

Yeah those people that test positive but are unwilling to take the test are annoying

[DarrinS]

I actually feel better than when I was 98.6 but I'm definitely a little nervous getting that fever. If I get up to 103 or start getting that dry cough I'm going to the ER.

Call your doctor first

[ElNono]

I think even the most ardent conservative will agree with flattening the curve. Where conservatives do have a point, though, is I don't think a state like Utah needs to be under the same restraints as New York. Many of those sparsely populated, Midwest and warmer Southwest states rely on "mainstreet" for pretty much everything. Even a one month lockdown where only "essential" businesses are allowed to operate could economically destroy many of those communities. I can empathize with there concerns here.

I generally agree that a federal lockdown likely does not make sense, and it should be handled locally as much as possible. That said, some of those sparsely populated areas are also likely at a high risk of collapsing their health services quicker, so it's a balancing act.

[Millennial_Messiah]

"spatial dynamics / spread" of 2009 H1N1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4055284/
Capitalist Wall Street lover Obama did zero to help the general public during the 2009 pandemic and recession combo.

Communist Donald Trump handing out $1,200 welfare checks to every impoverished and middle-class adult in the USA during the 2020 pandemic and recession combo.
boutons_deux = Team MAGA?

[ElNono]

I actually feel better than when I was 98.6 but I'm definitely a little nervous getting that fever. If I get up to 103 or start getting that dry cough I'm going to the ER.

Can you reach out to your doctor? If you can, tell him/her about your situation, they should be able to direct you on what to do. You can also call the ER beforehand.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Can you reach out to your doctor? If you can, tell him/her about your situation, they should be able to direct you on what to do. You can also call the ER beforehand.
Could be the common cold

[Millennial_Messiah]

If you're GOP, you socialist now.
If you're Democrat, you capitalist now.
If you Black, you Asian now.
If you Asian, you Black now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlxrccYb7XM

[hater]

Fuck up to 100.4 now.

u?

goddam ma niga Baseline

rip all your computers apart and build yourself a ventilator niga

god bless

[TheGreatYacht]

I actually feel better than when I was 98.6 but I'm definitely a little nervous getting that fever. If I get up to 103 or start getting that dry cough I'm going to the ER.

It's just the common flu/cold. Just whether the storm, drink lots of Vitamin C, put some garlic & turmeric on your food and you'll be fine. Drink lots of water. Don't call your doctor unless you start getting pneumonia cuz you'll end up in a FEMA camp where they will tell you are positive and you will be wasting your time.

[ElNono]

Could be the common cold

Sure. That’s why you call a professional and ask.

[hater]

yeah Id fight it off until I cant breathe tbqh

quarantine in a military camp would fucking suck!

also notifying every modasucka u interacted with would suck

[hater]

my dry cough still going strong. been 3 weeks but no fever yet

[Millennial_Messiah]

It's just the common flu/cold. Just whether the storm, drink lots of Vitamin C, put some garlic & turmeric on your food and you'll be fine. Drink lots of water. Don't call your doctor unless you start getting pneumonia cuz you'll end up in a FEMA camp where they will tell you are positive and you will be wasting your time.

Vitamin C
Tons of liquid (water based; no milk, coffee, tea, definitely no alcohol, and preferably no soda. Tropical juices like orange, pineapple etc are ideal)
Tons of sleep
Spicy food

after 72 hours, call teladoc and get a Z-Pak (azithromycin 5 day)

= you good

[TheGreatYacht]

We need some fear mongering to get people to at least take precautions. Which is needed to flatten the curve while not locking everyone down. A temporary shutdown gives everyone across the country notice and encourages those precautions.

Getting mass testing setup as well as the manufacturing of essentials is also a bonus. Most people still don't even have access to hand sanitizer.

A right-winger pushing for more police state and martial law because daddy Trump and muh Republicans mean well. I bet you anything that if Obama or Hillary were in charge you wouldn't be saying the same. What a normie smh

[ElNono]

I actually feel better than when I was 98.6 but I'm definitely a little nervous getting that fever. If I get up to 103 or start getting that dry cough I'm going to the ER.

At least you’re not Magic and you don’t have AIDS. Think about that, should make you feel better, tbh

[hater]

:wow :wow

800 dead in italy TODAY :wow


death rate 9%

their system has collapsed

this would happen here and lots more dead

ma niga TGY get in this mofo and spin this shit

[hater]

At least you’re not Magic and you don’t have AIDS. Think about that, should make you feel better, tbh

Magic is a millionaire m
he has a ventilator in every room of the house

[hater]

jesus 50,000 infected in italy

meanwhile UsA is already “skipping” testing :lmao :lmao

they will probably also hide deaths

fucking worse than china

called it

[ElNono]

yeah, you definitely don't want to be the next italy. Not even half of the next italy.

[picnroll]

Magic is a millionaire m
he has a ventilator in every room of the house

Ain’t gonna help Magic, his immune system is shot.

[Millennial_Messiah]

yeah, you definitely don't want to be the next italy. Not even half of the next italy.

I wonder how much it costs to fly to Italy? If I can't fly, then I'll put on my Jesus tires that can walk on water and drive over there tbh. So many gorgeous Italian women who are also pretty fluent in English. I'm already getting hard thinking about some luscious Italian pussy. If she has corona then I'll give her my lime.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Ain’t gonna help Magic, his immune system is shot.

Meanwhile Tragic Johnson gets to escape back to St. Croix with the NBA season all but shot. No Corona to be found there except the kind you put a lime in.

[picnroll]

I actually feel better than when I was 98.6 but I'm definitely a little nervous getting that fever. If I get up to 103 or start getting that dry cough I'm going to the ER.

Use Tylenol, not aspirin or Motrin. If you get to that point with fever, cough, SOB your doctors going to tell you to go to the hospital ED where they’ve set up screening areas. They’ll give you a mask and the ED dr will do a screening exam, make a decision to admit or not.

[Thread]

Use Tylenol, not aspirin or Motrin. If you get to that point with fever, cough, SOB your doctors going to tell you to go to the hospital ED where they’ve set up screening areas. They’ll give you a mask and the ED dr will do a screening exam, make a decision to admit or not.

Perhaps a good bend over would help the bum. What do you think, picky?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Use Tylenol, not aspirin or Motrin. If you get to that point with fever, cough, SOB your doctors going to tell you to go to the hospital ED where they’ve set up screening areas. They’ll give you a mask and the ED dr will do a screening exam, make a decision to admit or not.

Aleve and Excedrin.

Don't use too much tylenol because it's like alcohol for your liver

[picnroll]

Perhaps a good bend over would help the bum. What do you think, picky?

Might work for you, I’ll let the ED Dr know that’s your preference, hate to waste valuable resources.

[Sheriff Hoyt]

:wow :wow

800 dead in italy TODAY :wow


death rate 9%

their system has collapsed

this would happen here and lots more dead

ma niga TGY get in this mofo and spin this shit
And we are about 10 days behind them. It’s coming.

[hater]

Aleve and Excedrin.

Don't use too much tylenol because it's like alcohol for your liver

I was gona suggest he take a few shots of whiskey

[Sheriff Hoyt]

1241415018597494784

[boutons_deux]

And we are about 10 days behind them. It’s coming.

nah, Koch Bros bro has the SCIENCE, the NUMBERS, the STATS, no worries, mate

Capitalists rooting wildly for the 65+ to be culled so Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security payouts reduced so more tax cuts for Capitalists will pass more quickly

[boutons_deux]

https://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/dropzone/2020/03/ETbcxAJXYAgGVQa-510x387.jpg

[Nathan89]

A right-winger pushing for more police state and martial law because daddy Trump and muh Republicans mean well. I bet you anything that if Obama or Hillary were in charge you wouldn't be saying the same. What a normie smh

That's your classification of my political leanings.

I didn't ask for anything. I'm recognizing the pros of this temporary shutdown.

[Nathan89]

:wow :wow

800 dead in italy TODAY :wow


death rate 9%

their system has collapsed

this would happen here and lots more dead

ma niga TGY get in this mofo and spin this shit

Imagine their situation without paid sick leave.:lol

I wish mass testing was available so we'd have more accurate comparisons between countries.

[picnroll]

Aleve and Excedrin.

Don't use too much tylenol because it's like alcohol for your liver
While it’s not determine with certainty there is question about aspirin and Motrin vs Tylenol and oersonally given the three I’d take my chances with Tylenol.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/experts-debate-safety-ibuprofen-covid-19/story%3fid=69663495

[boutons_deux]

"I have five really good friends who are emergency room doctors or nurses.

It is grueling work in the best of times, often operating in a near-constant state of triage.

They are among the most selfless and hardworking people I know and

are all now working insane shifts treating dozens of people a day with coronavirus symptoms.

Unable to confirm a diagnosis due to lack of tests,

they are sending most of the patients back home,

while placing themselves at extreme risk of contracting the virus.

They are holding the system together while it splinters,

quite literally performing triage on patients and the health care system itself.

But it can’t be sustained much longer.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/20/always-look-on-the-bright-side-of-death/

[Nathan89]

1241415018597494784

That's what happens when you start testing more. On March 4th they were giving about 1k tests across the country and now it's probably 15k+ per day. Of course there are also more infections.

[DMX7]

:wow :wow

800 dead in italy TODAY :wow


death rate 9%

their system has collapsed

this would happen here and lots more dead

ma niga TGY get in this mofo and spin this shit

Italy has the oldest population in the Western Hemisphere and the hotbed in Italy had direct flights to Wuhan .

[Thread]

"I have five really good friends who are emergency room doctors or nurses.

It is grueling work in the best of times, often operating in a near-constant state of triage.

They are among the most selfless and hardworking people I know and

are all now working insane shifts treating dozens of people a day with coronavirus symptoms.

Unable to confirm a diagnosis due to lack of tests,

they are sending most of the patients back home,

while placing themselves at extreme risk of contracting the virus.

They are holding the system together while it splinters,

quite literally performing triage on patients and the health care system itself.

But it can’t be sustained much longer.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/20/always-look-on-the-bright-side-of-death/




Just found this over on the CNN website, bouts. Take a ganders, fellow;;;


Q. Why doesn’t the US have enough medical supplies to handle this outbreak?


A. Top healthcare officials say the US does not have enough stockpiled medical equipment (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/politics/top-health-officials-stockpiled-equipment/index.html) like masks, gowns and gloves to meet the anticipated need as this pandemic grows.
There are several reasons hospitals are on track to face dire shortages, said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert and professor at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
“About 20 or 30 years ago, we decided that we would not over-hospitalize,” Schaffner said.
Back then, hospitals often had empty hospital beds for new patients. But now, many hospitals are “absolutely full,” Schaffner said. “We have under-built hospital beds because they are very expensive.”
Also, Americans have grown accustomed to “just-in-time” ordering. But that becomes a huge problem when international supply chains are disrupted by an outbreak. “We didn’t anticipate international turbulence influencing this,” Schaffner said.
Now, some health care workers are making their own masks (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/us/coronavirus-protective-equipment-trnd/index.html). They’ve also been toldthey can use bandanas or scarves as masks (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/hospital-coronavirus-shortages-preparedness/index.html).]]]

[ElNono]

Just found this over on the CNN website, bouts. Take a ganders, fellow;;;

Q. Why doesn’t the US have enough medical supplies to handle this outbreak?


A. Top healthcare officials say the US does not have enough stockpiled medical equipment (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/politics/top-health-officials-stockpiled-equipment/index.html) like masks, gowns and gloves to meet the anticipated need as this pandemic grows.
There are several reasons hospitals are on track to face dire shortages, said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert and professor at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
“About 20 or 30 years ago, we decided that we would not over-hospitalize,” Schaffner said.
Back then, hospitals often had empty hospital beds for new patients. But now, many hospitals are “absolutely full,” Schaffner said. “We have under-built hospital beds because they are very expensive.”
Also, Americans have grown accustomed to “just-in-time” ordering. But that becomes a huge problem when international supply chains are disrupted by an outbreak. “We didn’t anticipate international turbulence influencing this,” Schaffner said.
Now, some health care workers are making their own masks (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/us/coronavirus-protective-equipment-trnd/index.html). They’ve also been toldthey can use bandanas or scarves as masks (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/hospital-coronavirus-shortages-preparedness/index.html).]]]


Yep, manufacture scarcity, let's you charge more per stay. But it's also a combination of factors, like people being overall healthier and much more rapid response times.

[Splits]

Fuck up to 100.4 now.

Do you have your sense of taste and smell?

[baseline bum]

Do you have your sense of taste and smell?

Yeah I can smell and taste all the shit I puked up in the bathroom :lol

[ElNono]

Yeah I can smell and taste all the shit I puked up in the bathroom :lol

If your dick falls off, and you grow a pussy, it's something else, tbh

[Splits]

Yeah I can smell and taste all the shit I puked up in the bathroom :lol

It's not the Rona. You probably drank last night.

[baseline bum]

If your dick falls off, and you grow a pussy, it's something else, tbh

Nigga you think if I could grow a pussy I'd be here talking to you fuckers?

[Reck]

1241415018597494784

New York is on it. Unlike most of the country who is not testing enough.

Still not good when the deaths are piling up here. 56 and counting. 26 Added just yesterday.

[baseline bum]

It's not the Rona. You probably drank last night.

Nope, no alcohol

[Splits]

Nope, no alcohol

Welp, many reports of newly infected saying the first thing they noticed they couldn't smell or taste, before any other symptom.

[Thread]

Yep, manufacture scarcity, let's you charge more per stay. But it's also a combination of factors, like people being overall healthier and much more rapid response times.

El

[Thread]

Nigga you think if I could grow a pussy I'd be here talking to you fuckers?

The old bum. I'll keep you in my prayers & thoughts, youngster. You're a good boy, bum.

Get-well-soon.

[Reck]

The old bum. I'll keep you in my prayers & thoughts, youngster. You're a good boy, bum.

Get-well-soon.

How about you, thread? You're an ST treasure. You're more incline to croak on us. Get shut in.

[Thread]

How about you, thread? You're an ST treasure. You're more incline to croak on us. Get shut in.

I'm a prime candidate, mid-60's, beetus'ed. I have to be real careful.

Thanks for the concern & citation, Recky.

[Splits]

I'm a prime candidate, mid-60's, beetus'ed. I have to be real careful.

Thanks for the concern & citation, Recky.

If you got it would you tell us? You've always been of questionable character.

[Will Hunting]

I'm a prime candidate, mid-60's, beetus'ed. I have to be real careful.

Thanks for the concern & citation, Recky.
:lol bad move to reveal you have the beetus on a shitshow troll website.

[hater]

UK is going to make Italy look like a weekend in St Tropez :wow

they are sooooo fucked

:lmao Porton Johnson

:lol Herd immunity

to all the morons who think this virus is nothing I want you to pay attention very well to UK next 10 days

https://twitter.com/bill_esterson/status/1241478371370053632?s=21

[hater]

USA looking like Michael Phelps in that graph :wow

[baseline bum]

Welp, many reports of newly infected saying the first thing they noticed they couldn't smell or taste, before any other symptom.

Didn't know that. So right when they became symptomatic? I have tried eating anything today and have only been drinking water.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/neocomments95/status/1241482226241605640?s=21

[Splits]

Didn't know that. So right when they became symptomatic? I have tried eating anything today and have only been drinking water.

1241458979219390465

[RandomGuy]

Evidence over hysteria — COVID-19

https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

More world wide data gathered in one article than I’ve seen anywhere else. His numbers give some hope that it’s not as bad as the media has been selling it. Hope he’s correct.

Good find.

[Blake]

If you're GOP, you socialist now.
If you're Democrat, you capitalist now.
If you Black, you Asian now.
If you Asian, you Black now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlxrccYb7XM

How is a Democrat a capitalist now?

[Splits]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-experts-say-new-symptoms-could-be-loss-taste-or-smell-11961439


One of the country's leading Ear, Nose and Throat consultants has told Sky News there are new signs for detecting COVID-19 in patients.The British Association of Otorhinolaryngology (ENT UK) say asymptomatic patients - ones who do not have a fever or a cough - could show a loss of smell or taste as symptoms after contracting coronavirus (https://news.sky.com/topic/coronavirus-8483).


It said in a statement: "Evidence from other countries that the entry point for the coronavirus is often in the eyes, nose and throat areas.
"We have also identified a new symptom (loss of sense of smell and taste) that may mean that people without other symptoms but with just the loss of this sense may have to self-isolate - again to reduce the spread of the virus."

[Thread]

:lol bad move to reveal you have the beetus on a shitshow troll website.

I know, but, I'm in a reflective mood, Will.

[DarrinS]

That's good to know about loss of taste/smell. Hadn't heard that until now.

[DMX7]

UK is going to make Italy look like a weekend in St Tropez :wow

they are sooooo fucked

:lmao Porton Johnson

:lol Herd immunity

to all the morons who think this virus is nothing I want you to pay attention very well to UK next 10 days

https://twitter.com/bill_esterson/status/1241478371370053632?s=21

Testing and tracing is everything and our country screwed it up badly. It will probably cost many lives and trillions of dollars.

[Thread]

If you got it would you tell us? You've always been of questionable character.

Of course I would.

Me being of questionable character? Christ, every time we've ever golfed you always end up on the other side of the green. Always. I've yet to hear you strike the ball anywhere around a green. "I'll meet you on the hole, Dale, go ahead."

I go to my side, hit it, strain to hear you (no sound) climb up & you're always on the fuckin' green within 6 ft of the hole, on your fuckin' phone, leanin' on your putter.

[ElNono]

I'm a prime candidate, mid-60's, beetus'ed. I have to be real careful.

Thanks for the concern & citation, Recky.

Gotta weather the storm old man... should be more manageable hopefully soon.

[DMC]

I know, but, I'm in a reflective mood, Will.

I expected "In for a penny, in for a pound"

[Thread]

Gotta weather the storm old man... should be more manageable hopefully soon.

Absolutely, El.

[Splits]

Of course I would.

Me being of questionable character? Christ, every time we've ever golfed you always end up on the other side of the green. Always. I've yet to hear you strike the ball anywhere around a green. "I'll meet you on the hole, Dale, go ahead."

I go to my side, hit it, strain to hear you (no sound) climb up & you're always on the fuckin' green within 6 ft of the hole, on your fuckin' phone, leanin' on your putter.

I could see you dying anonymously on the "I'm not giving them one more number on the death column to prosecute my old man"... gasping for a respirator but refusing it when you see "made in China" on the label

[TheGreatYacht]

The Coronavirus Pandemic Hoax & The Vaccine Agenda Exposed

https://youtu.be/UiHYRDQ-Bio

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah I can smell and taste all the shit I puked up in the bathroom :lol

so 2 girls 1 cup and an old man?

[hater]

Hail Mother Russia

https://twitter.com/natomission_ru/status/1241505099240923137?s=21

[Millennial_Messiah]

How is a Democrat a capitalist now?

Obama (Dem) bailed out big businesses, especially in Detroit and Wall Street.

Trump (GOP) bailed out the PEOPLE.

[hater]

Testing and tracing is everything and our country screwed it up badly. It will probably cost many lives and trillions of dollars.

probably?????

[Thread]

Obama (Dem) bailed out big businesses, especially in Detroit and Wall Street.

Trump (GOP) bailed out the PEOPLE.

God bless the old man!

[DMX7]

probably?????

My bad, it will....

but Trump did say it would disappear “like a miracle”. The plans that rely on miracles don’t usually go well. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Hail Mother Russia

https://twitter.com/natomission_ru/status/1241505099240923137?s=21
Cool stock photo, bro.

[Reck]

Wow I just got some terrible news. My brother in law's brother's family just got the virus and are all infirmed. Him, his kid and the wife all got it.

They live in Queens.

[Nathan89]

Hail Mother Russia

https://twitter.com/natomission_ru/status/1241505099240923137?s=21

Evil Russians at work again.

[DarrinS]

Wow I just got some terrible news. My brother in law's brother's family just got the virus and are all infirmed. Him, his kid and the wife all got it.

They live in Queens.


They got Tom Hanks virus. Sorry to hear that. Hopefully, they are younger folks and can beat it at home.

[Nathan89]

New York is on it. Unlike most of the country who is not testing enough.

Still not good when the deaths are piling up here. 56 and counting. 26 Added just yesterday.

New York has a great death rate so far.

[pgardn]

Wow I just got some terrible news. My brother in law's brother's family just got the virus and are all infirmed. Him, his kid and the wife all got it.

They live in Queens.

Sorry.

I told people anecdotal stuff would start popping up and we would feel this personally.
The pilot friend I had that got it while staying is Spain waiting to fly the plane back got it, tested and confirmed positive.
He and his family self quarantined but then, the breath went out of him completely and he had to get a scan of his lungs.
He is doing much better. His kid got tested + but never had a big problem, just went in with respiratory difficulty and came right back out. The rest of the family, 4 people show no clear symptoms, but they are not feeling well.
No tests for them.

Hope your bunch gets better.

[SnakeBoy]

Why is Russia reporting so few COVID-19 cases? Some say it's a cover-up
https://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-reporting-covid-19-cases-cover/story?id=69717763


But the Russian test, PCR News wrote, only detects the virus when there are over 100,000 copies of it per milliliter in a sample. That is far more than in other countries’ tests. A test in use in the U.S., for example, will pick up the virus with just 6,250 copies.

[vy65]

I'm a prime candidate, mid-60's, beetus'ed. I have to be real careful.

Thanks for the concern & citation, Recky.

I remember the first time the ole man quoted me. Talked about the Karate Kid, but with that penchant and flair that only the cubster can manage.

No virus is taking him from us. Not while vy is holding this goddamn forum down.

[SnakeBoy]

Wow I just got some terrible news. My brother in law's brother's family just got the virus and are all infirmed. Him, his kid and the wife all got it.

They live in Queens.

Sorry to hear that Reck.

[Nathan89]

That's good to know about loss of taste/smell. Hadn't heard that until now.

Same. Gotta inform my family members.

[hater]

:wow italian mayors say the actual # of dead in italy is about 4x the reported rate :wow

they say ppl are just dying at their homes without being tested :wow

[hater]

Wow I just got some terrible news. My brother in law's brother's family just got the virus and are all infirmed. Him, his kid and the wife all got it.

They live in Queens.

sorry to hear ma nig whats infirmed?

[hater]

so safe to say everyone in NY is positive?

no wonder they skip testing damn

[hater]

Why is Russia reporting so few COVID-19 cases? Some say it's a cover-up
https://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-reporting-covid-19-cases-cover/story?id=69717763

have u seen videos of moscow airport? they are basically wearing cosmonaut suits in that bitch

locked it down like a mofo

[Thread]

I remember the first time the ole man quoted me. Talked about the Karate Kid, but with that penchant and flair that only the cubster can manage.

No virus is taking him from us. Not while vy is holding this goddamn forum down.

Kind words, vy.

[Thread]

Wow I just got some terrible news. My brother in law's brother's family just got the virus and are all infirmed. Him, his kid and the wife all got it.

They live in Queens.

Jesus, Recky. This is just awful. I'll keep you & your family in my thoughts & prayers.

[Trainwreck2100]

I actually feel better than when I was 98.6 but I'm definitely a little nervous getting that fever. If I get up to 103 or start getting that dry cough I'm going to the ER.

Just saw this Do Not go to the ER theyll just send you home. Call ahead and see if they'll take you

[ElNono]

Just saw this Do Not go to the ER theyll just send you home. Call ahead and see if they'll take you

Hopefully he only has cancer, tbh...

[Reck]

sorry to hear ma nig whats infirmed?

I meant hospitalized.

Dont have concrete details on how bad it is but if they had to be admitted into a hospital...

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/status/1241060257012555776?s=20

[slick'81]

God bless us all

donald trump really fcked us good

[Nathan89]

God bless us all

donald trump really fcked us good

Not really.

[florige]

Fuck up to 100.4 now.


You live in here in MD right?

[slick'81]

Not really.


Just a lil

[florige]

Wow I just got some terrible news. My brother in law's brother's family just got the virus and are all infirmed. Him, his kid and the wife all got it.

They live in Queens.



Man NY looks like it’s going to turn into ground Zero in the US all over again. It just sucks all the people there and how closely they are together. Virus’s thrive in that type of environment. Hopefully they all will be alright. Crap is getting crazy!!

[Trainwreck2100]

Not really.
He told infected people to go to work

[slick'81]

He told infected people to go to work

And was warned about this since jan and did nothing but dismiss it ,and said theyre handling it well. Oh and blame obama of course

[TimDunkem]

He told infected people to go to work

Said it wasn't a problem, then it was a hoax, then contained...I personally know people who bought this shit. It certainly didn't help.

[Reck]

Said it wasn't a problem, then it was a hoax, then contained...I personally know people who bought this shit. It certainly didn't help.

Or how about take two unrelated pills and you'll be alright. Now those same people are showing up in hospitals because they poisoned themselves.

1241074132357447689

Fucking MAGA hatters are stupid as shit.

[Nathan89]

He told infected people to go to work

False.

[Nathan89]

And was warned about this since jan and did nothing but dismiss it ,and said theyre handling it well. Oh and blame obama of course

The CDC botched the test. If that didn't happen we'd currently would have mass testing and your narrative would be crushed.

[Spurs Homer]

*impeached DJT has been fucking the USA for 3 plus years

finally - people starting to catch up to this fact

we watched him fuck puerto rico and then walk up to the cameras and praise himself for it - and we just shrugged because it was just “shithole” puerto rico


now we are dying here in the continental usa and he is walking up to the mic and praising himself again as your family and my family get sick and die


and his CULT asshole fellators - are STILL fellating him 24/7

[Spurs Homer]

The CDC botched the test. If that didn't happen we'd currently would have mass testing and your narrative would be crushed.


^ like this asshole

[Nathan89]

Or how about take two unrelated pills and you'll be alright. Now those same people are showing up in hospitals because they poisoned themselves.

1241074132357447689

Fucking MAGA hatters are stupid as shit.

Blaming Trump for some idiot in Nigeria self medicating.:lol

Also yes there was early anecdotal reports of a combination of drugs working. Trump brought attention to that.

[slick'81]

The CDC botched the test. If that didn't happen we'd currently would have mass testing and your narrative would be crushed.

How would it be crushed? He did dismiss it and didnt take it seriously

[DMC]

Still arguing politics. Still must not be an ELE.

[Trainwreck2100]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/us/west-virginia-coronavirus-patient-one-test/index.html

A story about West Virginia's patient zero, spoiler alert he was sick for a few days and they didn't test him.

[boutons_deux]

Yep, manufacture scarcity, let's you charge more per stay. But it's also a combination of factors, like people being overall healthier and much more rapid response times.

Trash refuses to order production PPE, etc material. The Capitalistic free and open market will solve the problem

[Nathan89]

How would it be crushed? He did dismiss it and didnt take it seriously

Because he shutdown travel earlier than other countries despite Dems calling him racist. Biden was still criticizing that move when shutdown travel more recently.

The fact that the US was slow on testing resulted in a massive failure narrative for Trump. There are hundreds of posts in this thread blaming Trump because the CDC botched their test.

That's pretty much the biggest factors. Him verbally not taking it serious is different from the actions he took. And the things he said isn't enough to make a strong case against him and that's why you have bullshit lies about what he said. With continued finger pointing towards Trump because of the CDC failures.

[slick'81]

Because he shutdown travel earlier than other countries despite Dems calling him racist. Biden was still criticizing that move when shutdown travel more recently.

The fact that the US was slow on testing resulted in a massive failure narrative for Trump. There are hundreds of posts in this thread blaming Trump because the CDC botched their test.

That's pretty much the biggest factors. Him verbally not taking it serious is different from the actions he took. And the things he said isn't enough to make a strong case against him and that's why you have bullshit lies about what he said. With continued finger pointing towards Trump because of the CDC failures.

i do hope behind the scenes hes doing more then he lets on. I believe trump wants to make this right and he doesnt want people to die obviously

[boutons_deux]

Sorry.

I told people anecdotal stuff would start popping up and we would feel this personally.
The pilot friend I had that got it while staying is Spain waiting to fly the plane back got it, tested and confirmed positive.
He and his family self quarantined but then, the breath went out of him completely and he had to get a scan of his lungs.
He is doing much better. His kid got tested + but never had a big problem, just went in with respiratory difficulty and came right back out. The rest of the family, 4 people show no clear symptoms, but they are not feeling well.
No tests for them.

Hope your bunch gets better.

60M got H1N1 is 2009-2010.

Why would more apparently more transmissible covid-19 infect fewer?

say 60M get it, if 1% die, that's 600K dead.

[boutons_deux]

Trump administration won't compel corporations to produce medical supplies—because of 'conservatism'

With every passing hour of this pandemic, the shortage of medical equipment—as hospitals prepare for a massive influx of sick Americans—becomes more acute, and the need for such equipment and supplies becomes more dire.

"I only signed the Defense Production Act to combat the Chinese Virus should we need to invoke it in a worst-case scenario in the future," he tweeted, (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1240391871026864130) adding that

”Hopefully there will be no need, but

we are all in this TOGETHER!." :lol

that species of American blinded by a political ideology that abhors the very idea of government actually helping its people.

Trump’s advisers have privately said they are adhering to longstanding conservative opposition to big government,

a view that reflects the administration’s conflicted view of how it should handle a crisis unlike any a modern president has faced.”

March 21, Trump acknowledged in his daily press conference that he still had not taken any measures under the Act.

It will be important for Americans to hold this moment forever in their memories.

The nationalization of a few select corporations could have alleviated untold suffering among a huge swath of the American population,

preventing an agonizing death for many of them, but

there were people in this administration who believed it was

more important to allow those same corporations the freedom to do whatever they want—

including doing nothing, if they wished.

They believed it was better to let thousands of Americans suffer and die than to repudiate—even for a moment—their “free-market” ideology.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/20/1929423/-Trump-administration-resists-ordering-industry-to-produce-medical-supplies-because-conservatism (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/20/1929423/-Trump-administration-resists-ordering-industry-to-produce-medical-supplies-because-conservatism)

[DarrinS]

60M got H1N1 is 2009-2010.

Why would more apparently more transmissible covid-19 infect fewer?

say 60M get it, if 1% die, that's 600K dead.



What makes you think it's more transmissible than any other coronavirus?

[TheGreatYacht]

DOJ Seeks To Suspend Constitutional Rights Because Coronavirus & MSM Says Vaping Tied To COVID-19

https://youtu.be/7d_s4RtZVyM

The normies on the left and right are completely okay with this. Idiots. Morons. Give me Coronavirus over this shit anytime of day.

[boutons_deux]

Here’s why Florida spring breakers could be ‘super-spreaders’ of COVID-19 coronavirus

“For much of this week, revelers continued to cram four and five to a hotel room,

swarm beaches over hundreds of miles of coastline, and

then gather shoulder-to-shoulder in bars and clubs –

almost a model process for spreading contagious diseases.”

most spring breakers will return to hometowns across the country

where any exposure to coronavirus could set off a contagion,

“What is happening in Florida with

spring break partying-on by students oblivious to the epidemiological implications

of their actions is nothing short of tragic,” Gonsalves said.

“While many of us have been hunkering down to try to break the chains of infection in our communities,

these young people have decided the pleasures of the moment are worth

bringing back the coronavirus to their friends and family.”

Florida’s spring break could be a “super-spreading” event.

“The students who are going and partying at spring break potentially are

feeding into a world where they are stuck in their houses for weeks on end later on,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/heres-why-florida-spring-breakers-could-be-super-spreaders-of-covid-19-coronavirus/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/heres-why-florida-spring-breakers-could-be-super-spreaders-of-covid-19-coronavirus/)

[slick'81]

Here’s why Florida spring breakers could be ‘super-spreaders’ of COVID-19 coronavirus

“For much of this week, revelers continued to cram four and five to a hotel room,

swarm beaches over hundreds of miles of coastline, and

then gather shoulder-to-shoulder in bars and clubs –

almost a model process for spreading contagious diseases.”

most spring breakers will return to hometowns across the country

where any exposure to coronavirus could set off a contagion,

“What is happening in Florida with

spring break partying-on by students oblivious to the epidemiological implications

of their actions is nothing short of tragic,” Gonsalves said.

“While many of us have been hunkering down to try to break the chains of infection in our communities,

these young people have decided the pleasures of the moment are worth

bringing back the coronavirus to their friends and family.”

Florida’s spring break could be a “super-spreading” event.

“The students who are going and partying at spring break potentially are

feeding into a world where they are stuck in their houses for weeks on end later on,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/heres-why-florida-spring-breakers-could-be-super-spreaders-of-covid-19-coronavirus/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/heres-why-florida-spring-breakers-could-be-super-spreaders-of-covid-19-coronavirus/)





Fck them all tbh

[ChumpDumper]

DOJ Seeks To Suspend Constitutional Rights Because Coronavirus & MSM Says Vaping Tied To COVID-19

https://youtu.be/7d_s4RtZVyM

The normies on the left and right are completely okay with this. Idiots. Morons. Give me Coronavirus over this shit anytime of day.I'm not OK with it FWIW.

[Reck]

Fck them all tbh

Now we know why they haven’t shown up to vote for Bernie. They’re too busy dooming the country.

[pgardn]

60M got H1N1 is 2009-2010.

Why would more apparently more transmissible covid-19 infect fewer?

say 60M get it, if 1% die, that's 600K dead.

I never said covid was harder to get? And...

I am going to assume less than 1% die.
But the big cities might help to prove me "dead" wrong in the overall stats.
And these numbers will never be accurate, just hope they are accurate enough so this does not happen again.
Because this is big not only because of the medical implications, but because of our reaction.
We will have a better picture of what we overreacted to and did not react quick enough or could just not see coming.

[ElNono]

60M got H1N1 is 2009-2010.

Why would more apparently more transmissible covid-19 infect fewer?

say 60M get it, if 1% die, that's 600K dead.

R0 is a little smaller than SARS. SARS was 2-5 reproductions per people infected. COVID-19 is 1.4-3.9.

[ElNono]

On the other hand, it's more transmittable than the flu, for example, which sits at 0.9–2.1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number

[ElNono]

DOJ Seeks To Suspend Constitutional Rights Because Coronavirus & MSM Says Vaping Tied To COVID-19

https://youtu.be/7d_s4RtZVyM

The normies on the left and right are completely okay with this. Idiots. Morons. Give me Coronavirus over this shit anytime of day.

Posted in another thread I disagree with this.

[dude21]

I think once the health officials get corona and get antibodies, they can come back and help us without needing too to be worried of getting the virus.

I think we're 6 to 8 months from getting back to normal.

[dude21]

There will be a big spread quickly but it will slow down in 2 months but we're still going to see huge infection numbers. p

[dude21]

The problem is that health officials become spreaders but then they can become immune if once they survive. :lol

[dude21]

I'm just talking about the US here.

[dude21]

What worries me is that the orange shit administration has had this information and didn't prep for any of this bull shit. Fucking hell. :makemyday

[TimDunkem]

I think once the health officials get corona and get antibodies, they can come back and help us without needing too to be worried of getting the virus.

I think we're 6 to 8 months from getting back to normal.

More like a year. Corona is here to stay - although maybe in waves - until there is a vaccine.

[dude21]

More like a year. Corona is here to stay - although maybe in waves - until there is a vaccine.

The whole world is looking for a vaccine. I think we get one in 4 months and have production out by 7-8 months.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/senatemajldr/status/1241495687012978695?s=19

[dude21]

Possible antibodies and treatments will be out there.

[TimDunkem]

The whole world is looking for a vaccine. I think we get one in 4 months and have production out by 7-8 months.

4 months? That would have to be a record. :lol

[dude21]

4 months? That would have to be a record. :lol

The whole world is looking for it. :lol :lol

[dude21]

Tens of millions dying can remove all the fucking red tape. :lol

[dude21]

And by the way guys, some fucker owes me 200 for calling orange shit getting impeached. :lol

[weebo]

The whole world is looking for it. :lol :lol

A vaccine or vaccines have already been developed...going through clinical trials can take several months (and I'm being optimistic) to check for both safety and efficacy

[dude21]

A vaccine or vaccines have already been developed...going through clinical trials can take several months (and I'm being optimistic) to check for both safety and efficacy

Doesn't change my timeline my dude. :lol

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/senatemajldr/status/1241495687012978695?s=19

So retweet this to Rand Paul then. He missed the memo.

[Trainwreck2100]

So retweet this to Rand Paul then. He missed the memo.

McConnell if full of shit anyway if a Dem was in office they'd poison pill corporate bailout whatever they came up with.

[DMC]

So retweet this to Rand Paul then. He missed the memo.

There's a problem. Everywhere there are problems. It's not time to be political about it. It's time to come together. So practice social distancing, no groups larger than 10, but come together via skype or something.

Then, when you come up with a solution, let us know. We'll be in our chambers.

[DarrinS]

What worries me is that the orange shit administration has had this information and didn't prep for any of this bull shit. Fucking hell. :makemyday


The whole world is looking for a vaccine. I think we get one in 4 months and have production out by 7-8 months.


Possible antibodies and treatments will be out there.


The whole world is looking for it. :lol :lol


Tens of millions dying can remove all the fucking red tape. :lol


And by the way guys, some fucker owes me 200 for calling orange shit getting impeached. :lol


There aren't even a million worldwide cases.


Get a brown bag and take slow breaths.

[dude21]

There aren't even a million worldwide cases.


Get a brown bag and take slow breaths.

Don't be that stupid fucker. :lol

Just like orange shit, went from just the flu to national emergency in a week. :lol

This virus is just starting. :lol

[DMC]

Why isn't the US reporting recoveries? The confirmed cases must be communicated to the CDC, but the local media is being relied on for recovery data?

[DMC]

Doesn't change my timeline my dude. :lol

Great, the 4th in the Panic Posse arrives.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1241566448021094401?s=19

[Trainwreck2100]

Why isn't the US reporting recoveries? The confirmed cases must be communicated to the CDC, but the local media is being relied on for recovery data?

The John's Hopkins site doesn't have recoveries. I don't think they count recoveries of instances that were not picked up here. I do believe people have caught it here and later recovered. They just weren't diagnosed

[Reck]

Why isn't the US reporting recoveries? The confirmed cases must be communicated to the CDC, but the local media is being relied on for recovery data?

Been using this for reference.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgylp3Td1Bw

Has up to the minute updates, it seems. Tidbits pop on the left of the screen and so on.

[ElNono]

Why isn't the US reporting recoveries? The confirmed cases must be communicated to the CDC, but the local media is being relied on for recovery data?

A number of countries are not reporting either. However, not difficult to calculate from active cases - deaths.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1241566448021094401?s=19

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/1241375143286489090?s=20

Must be the first time a "mild flu" is also a "serious global threat".... smh these people

[slick'81]

Been using this for reference.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgylp3Td1Bw

Has up to the minute updates, it seems. Tidbits pop on the left of the screen and so on.


god damn italys death to recovered

[hater]

:lmao bill mitchel :lmao

clown

[Reck]

Spain went back up to third most in the list, displacing US for now. Germany seems to be getting a lot of cases reported as well. Wouldn’t be surprised if they also fly by us.

[hater]

China cases going back up

[hater]

this is a boss battle

anyone who says this is 2 week or even 2 month is a damn clown

[Pelicans78]

Aleve and Excedrin.

Don't use too much tylenol because it's like alcohol for your liver

Aleve is bad for your liver too LOL

Tylenol is much safer than Aleve.

[Splits]

5_iBOg5OfBg

[Will Hunting]

5_iBOg5OfBg
:lmao @ the end when he’s holding a donut

[pgardn]

These are the kinds of articles we need more of imo.

Best guess from scientists who have already been studying the biology of these viruses.
The articles with overwhelming stats without explanation of why numbers might be off one way or another might not be so helpful.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/biography-new-coronavirus/608338/

A really good biology summary thus far. Hope more like this are published as we find out more.

[pgardn]

5_iBOg5OfBg

That is the trucker guy who was approached at a rest stop and offered beer.
He is good. Should have started talking with food in the mouth and then held up the half eaten donut. (Which was brilliant)

[Splits]

1241519413486129156

Can you imagine if your corporate messaging on this revolved around christian god?

[hater]

There aren't even a million worldwide cases.


Get a brown bag and take slow breaths.

wordwide cases are doubling every 5-6 days. well hit a million easily by friday

we will have over 100k cases by then

[pgardn]

These are the kinds of articles we need more of imo.

Best guess from scientists who have already been studying the biology of these viruses.
The articles with overwhelming stats without explanation of why numbers might be off one way or another might not be so helpful.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/biography-new-coronavirus/608338/

A really good biology summary thus far. Hope more like this are published as we find out more.

[hater]

good point of view from americans in China for those idiots who say china is all bullshit

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e70c7c9c5b60fb69dde3aa1/amp?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004&__twitter_impression=true

[hater]

its a really bad sign that china still in lockdown despite all theyve done


we are royally fucked. better stock up on mo toilet paper

[midnightpulp]

These are the kinds of articles we need more of imo.

Best guess from scientists who have already been studying the biology of these viruses.
The articles with overwhelming stats without explanation of why numbers might be off one way or another might not be so helpful.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/biography-new-coronavirus/608338/

A really good biology summary thus far. Hope more like this are published as we find out more.

Small issue with this article is the contention that Corvid won't reduce much in frequency when it warms up, and the citation was a non-peer reviewed paper from over two weeks ago. This more thorough study from University of Maryland shows that the virus doesn't propagate as well in warmer weather.

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2020/Researchers-Predict-Potential-Spread-and-Seasonality-for-COVID-19-Based-on-Climate-Where-Virus-Appears-to-Thrive.html

You'll see in a recent new thread I posted where I correlate flu virality to corvid virality in NY, CA, TX, and Florida. NY was the only ten+ million populated state to really get "hit," this is despite their patient zero arriving on March 1 vs. California's Jan 26th, and Texas's March 4. Texas and California are outside of the temperature zones where virus like to propagate best. I also think the Singapore example was way overstated to try and make a case. Corvid didn't swamp Singapore at all. 455 cases, 2 deaths. And they had their first case way back in Jan. 22. And Singapore has the 3rd largest population density in the world, yet their situation is nowhere close to Italy's (right in the "hot zone" temperature wise). Singapore isn't even on any kind of national lockdown. They've cancelled some large events, but local economies are still functioning as normal.

[benefactor]

Medium took down that post that TSA linked. Wtf. I guess anything less than keeping people in a panic is unacceptable.

[hater]

:lmao stupid fuck Mnuchin says nobody knew this virus would take off so fast

stupid garbage Trump admin and US govmt didnt read my thread I guess

called it early January :tu

USA is a laughingstock when a spurstalk poster knows way more than them :lmao

[boutons_deux]

immunity by infection or vaccine? likely, but not guaranteed

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/coronavirus-immunity-reinfection-get-covid-19-twice-sick-spread-relapse-a9400691.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/coronavirus-immunity-reinfection-get-covid-19-twice-sick-spread-relapse-a9400691.html)

===============

Can wearing gloves help prevent coronavirus? Here’s what health experts say


https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article241129091.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article241129091.html)

===========================

We’re not going back to normal


https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615370/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/?truid=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&utm_source=engagement_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=site_visitor.unpaid.engagement&utm_content=3.18.non-subs (https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615370/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/?truid=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&utm_source=engagement_email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=site_visitor.unpaid.engagement&utm_content=3.18.non-subs)

[baseline bum]

Haven't really gotten any dangerous symptoms today and thankfully haven't puked in maybe 16 hours but this feels like the worst flu I have had. I'll prob be alright but this thing ain't no joke.

[pgardn]

Small issue with this article is the contention that Corvid won't reduce much in frequency when it warms up, and the citation was a non-peer reviewed paper from over two weeks ago. This more thorough study from University of Maryland shows that the virus doesn't propagate as well in warmer weather.

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2020/Researchers-Predict-Potential-Spread-and-Seasonality-for-COVID-19-Based-on-Climate-Where-Virus-Appears-to-Thrive.html

You'll see in a recent new thread I posted where I correlate flu virality to corvid virality in NY, CA, TX, and Florida. NY was the only ten+ million populated state to really get "hit," this is despite their patient zero arriving on March 1 vs. California's Jan 26th, and Texas's March 4. Texas and California are outside of the temperature zones where virus like to propagate best. I also think the Singapore example was way overstated to try and make a case. Corvid didn't swamp Singapore at all. 455 cases, 2 deaths. And they had their first case way back in Jan. 22. And Singapore has the 3rd largest population density in the world, yet their situation is nowhere close to Italy's (right in the "hot zone" temperature wise). Singapore isn't even on any kind of national lockdown. They've cancelled some large events, but local economies are still functioning as normal.

Excellent.
Keep em coming.

My feeling was epidemiological stats were weighing some down a bit because people on this board are taking wild stabs because authors are. The article I posted is merely the biology of these RNA virus(es). And if people find some differences from other sources let them rip. The person who wrote does not write journals for science publications, just gathers info and puts it out there. I have seen nothing broader yet concise so far on the biology of these types of viruses and written so that the layman can understand.

Good job Atlantic

And thanks for the amendment pulp.

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) advice for the public: Myth busters


https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters

[pgardn]

Haven't really gotten any dangerous symptoms today and thankfully haven't puked in maybe 16 hours but this feels like the worst flu I have had. I'll prob be alright but this thing ain't no joke.

I did read that some have experienced gastrointestinal symptoms.
Please keep hydrated and pee a lot. You might also wanna get upright here and there.
Also those breathing exercises Darrin put up from that British couple, if you do get short on breath.

Im going on what I would do based on what you are feeling. Not a doc. Might want to do an anti inflammatory if you get the crap in the respiratory system. I would go acetaminophen even though I really don’t like it on the liver. I use ibuprofen for muscle soreness if I exercise too hard bu it’s not big on inflammation, just pain.

Stay well and stay with us please.

[midnightpulp]

Excellent.
Keep em coming.

My feeling was epidemiological stats were weighing some down a bit because people on this board are taking wild stabs because authors are. The article I posted is merely the biology of these RNA virus(es). And if people find some differences from other sources let them rip. The person who wrote does not write journals for science publications, just gathers info and puts it out there. I have seen nothing broader yet concise so far on the biology of these types of viruses and written so that the layman can understand.

Good job Atlantic

And thanks for the amendment pulp.

Indeed. I know we don't want to indulge in Dinning-Kruger (everyone is an expert about everything in times like this) and just "trust the experts," but experts usually don't have perfect consensus, so then it's up to us to sift through the data and opinions and make a logical conclusions. Personally, I think there's a very compelling case this virus will drop in frequency when it warms and less dense populated areas won't get overwhelmed, which bodes well for places like Cali, Texas, etc. And the warmer weather in Singapore has seemed to limit spread, despite them basically living on top of each other in a global country where I'm sure Chinese citizens travel to and from very frequently.

Paradoxically, I think many of these of scientists seemed to make rookie errors. All their projections about what the virus was going to do came from Wuhan and then Italy, and they were making simplistic 1 to 1 comparisons. I thought the first thing you do vis a vis the scientific method is control for variables? Wuhan and Italy aren't New York, New York isn't Texas, and so. Different climates, population densities, social cultures, median age groups, etc. Yet early on, many scientists and experts were forecasting situations entirely based on Wuhan and Italy. Maybe they just wanted to "hype it" a bit so we take it seriously. Even Fauci said if the population thinks we're overreacting, it means we're doing our job.

[baseline bum]

I did read that some have experienced gastrointestinal symptoms.
Please keep hydrated and pee a lot. You might also wanna get upright here and there.
Also those breathing exercises Darrin put up from that British couple, if you do get short on breath.

Im going on what I would do based on what you are feeling. Not a doc. Might want to do an anti inflammatory if you get the crap in the respiratory system. I would go acetaminophen even though I really don’t like it on the liver. I use ibuprofen for muscle soreness if I exercise too hard bu it’s not big on inflammation, just pain.

Stay well and stay with us please.

I have been using aceitomenophin but only twice a day because like you said, it completely fucks your liver if you overdo it. I can't take ibuprofen, it gives me headaches. Sitting up and standing make me nauseous so just mostly been in bed two days.

[pgardn]

Medium took down that post that TSA linked. Wtf. I guess anything less than keeping people in a panic is unacceptable.

Honestly, I think if it did get taken down due to something wrong, it was this misstep on flattening the curve. We are getting overwhelmed in NY and Seattle. The author tried to use longer term economics as a reason for the flattening being counter productive. Even if you do believe the authors assessment, which I don’t, it could be taken as a spike it. (Which I don’t think the author intended)

But people should be able to figure that out on their own. I hope it was not indeed taken down. Hopefully its just slight amendments or it goes back up untouched.

[pgardn]

I have been using aceitomenophin but only twice a day because like you said, it completely fucks your liver if you overdo it. I can't take ibuprofen, it gives me headaches. Sitting up and standing make me nauseous so just mostly been in bed two days.

Can you hold fluids down?
I hope so. If not, just small sips more often.
The flushing (peeing) is a great way to remove dead cellular shit due to viral destruction.

You also need to keep things in homeostasis in case symptoms go hard respiratory.

[baseline bum]

Can you hold fluids down?

Oh yeah I have drinking a shitload of water.

[pgardn]

Oh yeah I have drinking a shitload of water.

1/3 Gatorade 2/3 water if you can.
You actually absorb water faster into your circulation with some electrolytes in it.

If it gags you, forget it.

[midnightpulp]

Honestly, I think if it did get taken down due to something wrong, it was this misstep on flattening the curve. We are getting overwhelmed in NY and Seattle. The author tried to use longer term economics as a reason for the flattening being counter productive. Even if you do believe the authors assessment, which I don’t, it could be taken as a spike it. (Which I don’t think the author intended)

But people should be able to figure that out on their own. I hope it was not indeed taken down. Hopefully its just slight amendments or it goes back up untouched.

Yeah, it was rock solid objective up until he infused his economic point-of-view toward the end there. No problem with asking questions about the economic ramifications from shelter-in-place and business closure orders, but I think it's too early to do that. We need another week to see how the virus is progressing.

I'm hopeful states like Texas and Florida can get back to a semblance of normality. Maybe here in California. We were the 2nd epicenter after Washington almost 2 months ago and the virus didn't sweep the state. Many might look at the accelerating number of cases here over the past week and say, "It's accelerating!" but what is accelerating is testing and deaths now attributed to the virus. Before the concerns became mainstream, deaths were probably attributed to complications from influenza. Point is, the virus has like being circulating around and killing people before the first official recorded cases and deaths.

[DMC]

1/3 Gatorade 2/3 water if you can.
You actually absorb water faster into your circulation with some electrolytes in it.

If it gags you, forget it.

Nah, Bum's gag reflex is tamed. You can pet it.

[pgardn]

Indeed. I know we don't want to indulge in Dinning-Kruger (everyone is an expert about everything in times like this) and just "trust the experts," but experts usually don't have perfect consensus, so then it's up to us to sift through the data and opinions and make a logical conclusions. Personally, I think there's a very compelling case this virus will drop in frequency when it warms and less dense populated areas won't get overwhelmed, which bodes well for places like Cali, Texas, etc. And the warmer weather in Singapore has seemed to limit spread, despite them basically living on top of each other in a global country where I'm sure Chinese citizens travel to and from very frequently.

Paradoxically, I think many of these of scientists seemed to make rookie errors. All their projections about what the virus was going to do came from Wuhan and then Italy, and they were making simplistic 1 to 1 comparisons. I thought the first thing you do vis a vis the scientific method is control for variables? Wuhan and Italy aren't New York, New York isn't Texas, and so. Different climates, population densities, social cultures, median age groups, etc. Yet early on, many scientists and experts were forecasting situations entirely based on Wuhan and Italy. Maybe they just wanted to "hype it" a bit so we take it seriously. Even Fauci said if the population thinks we're overreacting, it means we're doing our job.

The epidemiology is horribly difficult which is your second paragraph. They make models and the assumptions that go into the models can be horribly wrong. Also I would not doubt if political pressure involving “We need answers now” comes into play because in politics you have to answers, and they have to be correct.

[chunticakes]

I have been using aceitomenophin but only twice a day because like you said, it completely fucks your liver if you overdo it. I can't take ibuprofen, it gives me headaches. Sitting up and standing make me nauseous so just mostly been in bed two days.

Don't go over four grams in a 24 period and you'll be fine. In other words take two extra strength 500 mg tablets every six hrs and you'll be okay.

[hater]

Placido Domingo :(

RIP corona is a killer

[midnightpulp]

Placido Domingo :(

RIP corona is a killer

He should be fine. Opera singer. Stands to reason he was a non-smoker and took care of himself. Even in "OMG ITALY" old people without pre-existing conditions recovered at a 99.2 percent rate.

[baseline bum]

Don't go over four grams in a 24 period and you'll be fine. In other words take two extra strength 500 mg tablets every six hrs and you'll be okay.

I'm keeping it to less than 3000 mg/day since who knows if I'll be taking these for a couple of weeks.

[picnroll]

Germany bans meeting of more than two people in public. No more public threesomes.

[Spurs Homer]

Rand paul tested positive

i was convinced russians were immune - just look at pence!