Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[TSA]

If there was something in those links talking about how prone adolescents were you would post it. You haven't, so I will just assume that you are, again, lying by omission.

All the links I looked at were just studies on children 10 and under with no concrete data about adolescents. Highschoolers won't wear masks consistently, and lumping them into rooms without social distancing for seven hours a day, five days a week doesn't sound safe, even with masks. "just wear masks" isn't really much of a plan.

Your claim, your burden of proof.

Are you now conceding that it is safe to open all schools for children under 10?

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rickberke/status/1285611965562445824

:lol unnerving?

How the fuck is this guy a cofounder and exec editor of Stat news

[RandomGuy]

Are you now conceding that it is safe to open all schools for children under 10?

Nope. You haven't really proven that either, unless you are going to have other children under 10 teaching them? I have yet to see a coherent evidence based plan.

All you have is "children under 10 don't get sick or pass it on very much" but don't really have anything that might show how fast it would go if you lump them together five days a week for 8 to 9 hours a day. Your provided evidence is pretty thin on that. The studies were done on populations after schools closed, and didn't really look at schools that remained open for any length of time.

I assume by your continued lack of showing any evidence about teenagers that it doesn't exist. I will quit asking for it. You obviously can't even come close to showing that.

[RandomGuy]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rickberke/status/1285611965562445824

:lol unnerving?

How the fuck is this guy a cofounder and exec editor of Stat news

Going to guess that wasn't evidence on how readily adolescents spread COVID.

[spurraider21]

https://mobile.twitter.com/rickberke/status/1285611965562445824

:lol unnerving?

How the fuck is this guy a cofounder and exec editor of Stat news
yes. unnerving. because that means we could have way more people spreading this shit than we know. we still dont have a great grasp on what sort of long term lasting effects the virus has on people who manage not to die or show serious symptoms. and even 20x the infections wouldnt have us very close to herd immunity

[RandomGuy]

I'm not "soothing myself", I'm putting current state of affairs in proportion.


Just for some perspective, more Americans have died of regular flu this season than the worldwide covid-19 deaths.

More than double the covid-19 count.

smh

Tell me again about how your perspective is an accurate reflection of reality.

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin's MO is to find ways to be glad other people are dying who are not himself.

[RandomGuy]

yes. unnerving. because that means we could have way more people spreading this shit than we know. we still dont have a great grasp on what sort of long term lasting effects the virus has on people who manage not to die or show serious symptoms. and even 20x the infections wouldnt have us very close to herd immunity

Been saying all along that the confirmed cases were way undercounting the actual infection rate, based on what we can estimate about the overall mortality of COVID. it is basic algebra.

If exposure to some risk kills .05% of the people who are exposed to a risk, and there have been 8000 deaths, then how many people had to been exposed to that risk produce that number of fatalities?


X(.0005)=8000, solve for X

[pgardn]

We really need a working vaccine pronto.
Our federal government just bailed out on this whole mess.
Awful leadership and just flat out lying don’t work on this type of problem.

[Winehole23]

you can't bs your way through a pandemic, yet that's exactly what's happening.

[RandomGuy]

you can't bs your way through a pandemic, yet that's exactly what's happening.

He has abdicated everything. Read somewhere that was mostly due to his chief of staff's strategy. I am guessing that is because he knows his boss sucks ass at actually managing things.

[ChumpDumper]

Makes sense. Props to Darrin for making this show up on my FB feed.

OQNQxzvqeas

[RandomGuy]

-wrong thread- stoopid tabbed browsing.

[RandomGuy]

Makes sense. Props to Darrin for making this show up on my FB feed.

OQNQxzvqeas

Toldya Zdogg is good. A real doctor and shit, and a good advocate for health care professionals. He did a couple of interesting shows on anti-vaxxer loonies, who were being loonies in the background.

[Winehole23]

He has abdicated everything. Read somewhere that was mostly due to his chief of staff's strategy. I am guessing that is because he knows his boss sucks ass at actually managing things.Once upon a time there was a US President people thought was really dumb, but he knew his limits and was better at picking good people to do things for him, and after all, GWHB picked most of those people. There was more institutional competence.

GWB was the one who really jump-started pandemic preparedness and policy in this century.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story?id=69979013

[tholdren]

Prof heneghan said ifr the flu. Talking data manipulation

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-53443724

[tholdren]

Prof heneghan said ifr the flu. Talking data manipulation

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-53443724

[ChumpDumper]

Toldya Zdogg is good. A real doctor and shit, and a good advocate for health care professionals. He did a couple of interesting shows on anti-vaxxer loonies, who were being loonies in the background.

Oh was it you? Cool. Now that I look at it, one of conservative friends surprisingly posted it. Thought it might've been det algorithm after I did a search. Maybe they're finally coming around.

[RandomGuy]

Once upon a time there was a US President people thought was really dumb, but he knew his limits and was better at picking good people to do things for him, and after all, GWHB picked most of those people. There was more institutional competence.

GWB was the one who really jump-started pandemic preparedness and policy in this century.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story?id=69979013

He still ran the initial Iraq occupation based on ideology over competence. Whatever I might give Bush, he has blood on his hands for that.

Still, Bush the younger was not the dumbest brick in the pack, and the Republidumb party will have to live this one down for a long, long time.

[RandomGuy]

Oh was it you? Cool. Now that I look at it, one of conservative friends surprisingly posted it. Thought it might've been det algorithm after I did a search. Maybe they're finally coming around.

Darrin posted it originally, which surprised me, because it was actually a decent channel. He said something they agreed with so, it got bumped.

[Winehole23]

whatever GWB's crimes -- they are heinous imho -- he at least had a moral imagination and tried to use power to do good for people occasionally.

[ChumpDumper]

Prof heneghan said ifr the flu. Talking data manipulation

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-53443724Flu isn't even mentioned in that article.

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin posted it originally, which surprised me, because it was actually a decent channel. He said something they agreed with so, it got bumped.Got it:tu

[TSA]

Nope. You haven't really proven that either, unless you are going to have other children under 10 teaching them? I have yet to see a coherent evidence based plan.

All you have is "children under 10 don't get sick or pass it on very much" but don't really have anything that might show how fast it would go if you lump them together five days a week for 8 to 9 hours a day. Your provided evidence is pretty thin on that. The studies were done on populations after schools closed, and didn't really look at schools that remained open for any length of time.

I assume by your continued lack of showing any evidence about teenagers that it doesn't exist. I will quit asking for it. You obviously can't even come close to showing that.Nice job claiming you read them and proving you didn’t :lol

[Trainwreck2100]

https://www.ksby.com/news/coronavirus/who-is-holding-people-accountable-atascadero-man-says-roommate-kept-covid-19-diagnosis-secret

chick goes to work knowingly infected and also infected her 15 other housemates.


Shit like this is why.........this is why we're fucked

[ElNono]

you didnt know? cuomo sent recovering patients back to nursing homes

Shit, I didn't know. No way.

Did you hear about Chicago?

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.ksby.com/news/coronavirus/who-is-holding-people-accountable-atascadero-man-says-roommate-kept-covid-19-diagnosis-secret

chick goes to work knowingly infected and also infected her 15 other housemates.


Shit like this is why.........this is why we're fucked16 people in one house?

11 kids?

WTF Atascadero?

[TSA]

Nope. You haven't really proven that either, unless you are going to have other children under 10 teaching them? I have yet to see a coherent evidence based plan.

All you have is "children under 10 don't get sick or pass it on very much" but don't really have anything that might show how fast it would go if you lump them together five days a week for 8 to 9 hours a day. Your provided evidence is pretty thin on that. The studies were done on populations after schools closed, and didn't really look at schools that remained open for any length of time.

I assume by your continued lack of showing any evidence about teenagers that it doesn't exist. I will quit asking for it. You obviously can't even come close to showing that.


No known case of teacher catching coronavirus from pupils, says scientist

There has been no recorded case of a teacher catching the coronavirus from a pupil anywhere in the world, according to one of the government’s leading scientific advisers.

Mark Woolhouse, a leading epidemiologist and member of the government’s Sage committee, told The Times that it may have been a mistake to close schools in March given the limited role children play in spreading the virus.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-known-case-of-teacher-catching-coronavirus-from-pupils-says-scientist-3zk5g2x6z

[spurraider21]

Shit, I didn't know. No way.

Did you hear about Chicago?
Did you know that despite only account for 13% of the population...

[boutons_deux]

Rightwingnutjobs are ALWAYS so brave wanting other people to take risks, suffer, die.

[TSA]

yes. unnerving. because that means we could have way more people spreading this shit than we know. we still dont have a great grasp on what sort of long term lasting effects the virus has on people who manage not to die or show serious symptoms. and even 20x the infections wouldnt have us very close to herd immunity

What would 20x the infections do to the IFR? If the study is correct it looks like tholdren called det concerning the IFR.

[spurraider21]

What would 20x the infections do to the IFR? If the study is correct it looks like tholdren called det concerning the IFR.
i mean right now if you just take our confirmed cases and deaths you have over a 3.6% death rate. obviously thats not the IFR, but if we quadrupled the actual case count (that study had a huge range as low as 4x) you'd wind up with 0.9% (and that doesnt account for the active cases)

regardless, throwing blind darts and happening to be right wouldnt be anything to be pounding your chest over. he didnt use any analysis or show any math. just "hurdur FLU"

[midnightpulp]

What would 20x the infections do to the IFR? If the study is correct it looks like tholdren called det concerning the IFR.

Since NYC was the most infected, that's probably the best data set we have to extrapolate IFR from projected case count based on antibody tests. NYC's prevalence is estimated at 23.3% https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/commercial-lab-surveys.html

Meaning: 1.9 million true infections in NYC. 23K/1.9 million = 1.2 percent IFR. 12x times higher than the flu. Now I don't think it's logical to extrapolate that IFR to the entire country since New York City was a unique case when you consider the population density factors, mass transit use, and their higher susceptibility to respiratory viruses any given year, but a .04-.1 range is probably a safe estimate country wide.

[SnakeBoy]

What would 20x the infections do to the IFR? If the study is correct it looks like tholdren called det concerning the IFR.

From a couple of weeks ago


Such doom & gloom in this thread. Let's try to be optimistic.

Assuming actual cases is 20x confirmed cases and deaths is reasonably accurate, we only have ~500k deaths to go before the US can move on from the covid era.

So cheer up people.





The optimistic scenario of actual cases 20x confirmed cases put US mortality at just over .2% (~500k deaths to go for us). For Sweden it puts the mortality rate at just over .3%.

[TSA]

Since NYC was the most infected, that's probably the best data set we have to extrapolate IFR from projected case count based on antibody tests. NYC's prevalence is estimated at 23.3% https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/commercial-lab-surveys.html

Meaning: 1.9 million true infections in NYC. 23K/1.9 million = 1.2 percent IFR. 12x times higher than the flu. Now I don't think it's logical to extrapolate that IFR to the entire country since New York City was a unique case when you consider the population density factors, mass transit use, and their higher susceptibility to respiratory viruses any given year, but a .04-.1 range is probably a safe estimate country wide.Which would make tholdren correct on IFR being less than the flu. And I'm not discounting any deaths or saying coronavirus isn't serious just pointing out tholdren has been beating that drum for months and getting shit for it daily.

[midnightpulp]

Which would make tholdren correct on IFR being less than the flu. And I'm not discounting any deaths or saying coronavirus isn't serious just pointing out tholdren has been beating that drum for months and getting shit for it daily.

That isn't less than the flu. Flu is .1 percent or .01. Covid is likely .4 percent (.04) to 1 percent (.1).

[baseline bum]

Which would make tholdren correct on IFR being less than the flu. And I'm not discounting any deaths or saying coronavirus isn't serious just pointing out tholdren has been beating that drum for months and getting shit for it daily.

Still funny when Dr Tholdren was arguing a point a few days ago and posted a link showing a 0.64% IFR

[midnightpulp]

Still funny when Dr Tholdren was arguing a point and posted a link showing a 0.64% IFR

Holdren isn't correct with the Covid being lower in any event. I sometimes fuck up my decimals. The overall consensus is that Covid's IFR is .64% to 1% range. Writing that in decimals is actually .0064 to .01 (100 percent [1], 10 percent [.1], 1 percent [.01])

The flu IFR is .01% or .001.

[spurraider21]

Holdren isn't correct with the Covid being lower in any event. I sometimes fuck up my decimals. The overall consensus is that Covid's IFR is .64% to 1% range. Writing that in decimals is actually .0064 to .01 (100 percent [1], 10 percent [.1], 1 percent [.01])

The flu IFR is .01% or .001.
flu IFR is 0.1% not 0.01% iirc

you had it right a couple of posts above

[hater]

flu IFR is 0.1% not 0.01% iirc

you had it right a couple of posts above

:lol

Meanwhile we accumulated a few more dozen carcasses

[Blake]

Don’t be retarded. Kids have been around adults even more than they normally are and adults pass it to kids at a much higher rate of transmission than kid to kid.

Let’s talk about it now.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

No they haven't. Kids have pretty much been quarantined at home with their parents or other immediate family.

You're just flat lying now.

[TSA]

No they haven't. Kids have pretty much been quarantined at home with their parents or other immediate family.

You're just flat lying now.

If kids are quarantined at home with parents or other immediate family instead of being at school all day among other kids their time around adults throughout the day has increased. Adults are the ones infecting kids.

Step up for once.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

[Blake]

If kids are quarantined at home with parents or other immediate family instead of being at school all day among other kids their time around adults throughout the day has increased. Adults are the ones infecting kids.

Step up for once.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

Kids in middle school and even some grade school switch classes, switch teachers.

Then there's bus driver.

Then there's their family again.

You're a lying idiot.

[Blake]

Holdren isn't correct with the Covid being lower in any event. I sometimes fuck up my decimals. The overall consensus is that Covid's IFR is .64% to 1% range. Writing that in decimals is actually .0064 to .01 (100 percent [1], 10 percent [.1], 1 percent [.01])

The flu IFR is .01% or .001.

https://i.insider.com/5ef234caf34d051bc821d0d8?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

[TSA]

Kids in middle school and even some grade school switch classes, switch teachers.

Then there's bus driver.

Then there's their family again.

You're a lying idiot.

All of the people you mentioned would have masks on. Do you think parents are wearing masks at home? Do you need me to repost the multiple studies showing kids are being infected in their own homes by parents or adult family members or are you finally ready to step up for once and answer the questions?

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

[Blake]

All of the people you mentioned would have masks on.

Lol look at this lightning speed goalpost move

You're retarded. GTFO with your lying bullshit already.

[TSA]

https://i.insider.com/5ef234caf34d051bc821d0d8?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Influenza death rates are completely wrong. Did Business Insider use 2020-2021 influenza stats...meaning we haven't even hit our flu season? :lol

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

[TSA]

Lol look at this lightning speed goalpost move

You're retarded. GTFO with your lying bullshit already.

There was no goalpost move, you just don't think things through before you post and are just thinking about your next dodge of a question.

Step up, answer the questions.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?

[Blake]

There was no goalpost move,




Kids have been around adults even more than they normally are..



No they haven't. Kids have pretty much been quarantined at home with their parents or other immediate family.



Kids in middle school and even some grade school switch classes, switch teachers.

Then there's bus driver.

Then there's their family again.

You're a lying idiot.


All of the people you mentioned would have masks on.

Lol tsa. GTFO with your lying bullshit.

[TSA]

Lol tsa. GTFO with your lying bullshit.

You really don't think things through before you post.

[TSA]

https://i.insider.com/5ef234caf34d051bc821d0d8?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Did you cross check this data before posting? :rollin

[Blake]

Influenza death rates are completely wrong. Did Business Insider use 2020-2021 influenza stats...meaning we haven't even hit our flu season? :lol

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

^ the usual tsa link. "THE NUMBERS ARE IN THERE YOU GO FIND THEM"

[Blake]

Did you cross check this data before posting? :rollin

Did you cross check with gummi?

[DMC]

There's always the self reported issue where only people with symptoms who actively seek medical care (and testing) get reported as COVID cases whereas influenza is mostly estimate. Ever have the flu? Ever know anyone who did? Were they actually tested?

[TSA]

^ the usual tsa link. "THE NUMBERS ARE IN THERE YOU GO FIND THEM"

:lol lazy Blake can't do three scrolls down on his mouse wheel

You're the one who posted Business Insider graph...did you cross check the data before posting? Do you believe it to be accurate?

[Blake]

Lazy tsa wants to post a link and run

[Blake]

:lol lazy Blake can't do three scrolls down on his mouse wheel

You're the one who posted Business Insider graph...did you cross check the data before posting? Do you believe it to be accurate?

If it's a choice to believe you or the BI graph based on CDC numbers?

Lol tsa

[TSA]

Did you cross check with gummi?

gummi can properly create a graph unlike whoever made the graph you posted. Post the source data from the graph you posted.

[TSA]

If it's a choice to believe you or the BI graph based on CDC numbers?

Lol tsa

Let's see those CDC influenza numbers Blake.

[ChumpDumper]

If kids are quarantined at home with parents or other immediate family instead of being at school all day among other kids their time around adults throughout the day has increased. Adults are the ones infecting kids.

Step up for once.

How many kids 5-17 have died from Covid in the US?

What’s the hospitalization rate for kids 5-17 with Covid?Kids who have not been in school have not died, therefore kids will not die if they are put in school.

Logic!

[DMC]

https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-23%20at%206.18.52%20PM.png

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-23%20at%206.18.52%20PM.pngGeneva?

[Blake]

gummi can properly create a graph

:lmao

[Blake]

Let's see those CDC influenza numbers Blake.

"....What’s more, scientists today have a better sense of how to measure COVID-19's lethality, and the numbers are alarming. Using a more sophisticated calculation called the infection-fatality rate, paired with the past few months’ worth of data, the latest best estimates show that COVID-19 is around 50 to 100 times more lethal than the seasonal flu, on average......

......Using a statistical model, epidemiologists at Columbia University estimated the infection-fatality rate for New York City based on its massive outbreak from March 1 to May 16. Their results, published online as a non-peer reviewed preprint on June 29, show that the coronavirus may be even deadlier than first thought. According to their data, the COVID-19 infection-fatality rate is 1.46 percent, or twice as high as earlier estimates(and much higher than a misinformed rate being widely shared on social media). This risk varies by age, with those older than 75 having the highest infection-fatality rate, at 13.83 percent....

...Using the handful of studies that have calculated infection-fatality rates for seasonal flu, Meyerowitz-Katz determined that somewhere between 1 and 10 people die for every 100,000 that are infected. For COVID-19, that number ranges between 500 and 1,000 deaths per 100,000 infections. By his calculations, the coronavirus is likely to be 50 to 100 times more deadly than the seasonal flu, which supports the Columbia University findings......

....Part of the problem with communicating the true death rate is that COVID-19 fatalities have been especially challenging to track in a timely manner. Registering that a death has occurred and determining its cause are two basic functions of public health. Even in situations less chaotic and slower-moving than COVID-19, it can take several days for state officials to receive notification of a death. States then forward their data to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics, where the death and its cause are logged.

Due to the significance of the COVID-19 pandemic, the CDC has added an extra step in which the agency uses humans instead of computers to verify the information on the death certificate before they formally add it to their tally. Although the CDC has gotten much faster at performing this task since March, it is still taking around a week to formally record a coronavirus death, says Kirk Bol, manager of the Vital Statistics Program at the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment...."

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/07/coronavirus-deadlier-than-many-believed-infection-fatality-rate-cvd/

[boutons_deux]

Published — July 22, 2020

EXCLUSIVE: WHITE HOUSE PRIVATELY WARNS 11 CITIES MUST TAKE “AGGRESSIVE” ACTION IN CORONAVIRUS FIGHT

New red flags about the severity of the coronavirus outbreak come after Trump focused on upsides in televised briefing

Dr. Deborah Birx, a leader of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, warned state and local leaders in a private phone call Wednesday that 11 major cities are seeing increases in the percentage of tests coming back positive for COVID-19 and should take “aggressive” steps to mitigate their outbreaks.

The cities she identified were

Baltimore,
Cleveland,
Columbus,
Indianapolis,
Las Vegas,
Miami,
Minneapolis,
Nashville,
New Orleans,
Pittsburgh and
St. Louis.

The call was yet another private warning about the seriousness of the coronavirus outbreaks given to local officials but not the public at large.

Increasing test positivity — an indicator that a community does not have an outbreak under control — should be expected in areas that reopened and grew more relaxed about social distancing measures, said Harvard epidemiologist Bill Hanage (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/william-hanage/).

He said the warnings and data from the White House

should be made public. :lol no way, Trash hides everything

“The best way to deal with a crisis or a natural disaster is

to be straight with people,

to earn their trust and

to give the information they need

to make decisions for themselves and their communities.”

Birx told hundreds of emergency managers and other state and local leaders that they should act quickly to stem the outbreaks.

encouraging declines in test positivity in places like Phoenix and San Antonio but warned that

the outbreak in the Sunbelt was moving north.

“What started out very much as a southern and western epidemic is

starting to move up the East Coast into

Tennessee,
Arkansas,
up into Missouri,
up across Colorado, and
obviously we’re talking about increases now in Baltimore,”

https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/warning-from-birx-11-cities-must-take-coronavirus-aggressive-efforts/ (https://publicintegrity.org/health/coronavirus-and-inequality/warning-from-birx-11-cities-must-take-coronavirus-aggressive-efforts/)

Trash read out loud that pandemic was going to get worse.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-23%20at%206.18.52%20PM.pngI would certainly consider reopening schools the way Switzerland did.

Schools reopened in Switzerland on May 11, 2020 with strict social distancing measures in place. Many schools have reduced class sizes in half and students attend in-person classes only 2 days per week to allow for space for the smaller class sizes. Desks have been moved further apart and tape marks have been placed on the floor to aid students in maintaining appropriate physical distance. Hand sanitizing stations have been added throughout schools. School re-opening for students in grade 10 and above and for university students was delayed until June 8.

https://globalhealth.washington.edu/sites/default/files/COVID-19%20Schools%20Summary%20%282%29.pdf

[TSA]

"....What’s more, scientists today have a better sense of how to measure COVID-19's lethality, and the numbers are alarming. Using a more sophisticated calculation called the infection-fatality rate, paired with the past few months’ worth of data, the latest best estimates show that COVID-19 is around 50 to 100 times more lethal than the seasonal flu, on average......

......Using a statistical model, epidemiologists at Columbia University estimated the infection-fatality rate for New York City based on its massive outbreak from March 1 to May 16. Their results, published online as a non-peer reviewed preprint on June 29, show that the coronavirus may be even deadlier than first thought. According to their data, the COVID-19 infection-fatality rate is 1.46 percent, or twice as high as earlier estimates(and much higher than a misinformed rate being widely shared on social media). This risk varies by age, with those older than 75 having the highest infection-fatality rate, at 13.83 percent....

...Using the handful of studies that have calculated infection-fatality rates for seasonal flu, Meyerowitz-Katz determined that somewhere between 1 and 10 people die for every 100,000 that are infected. For COVID-19, that number ranges between 500 and 1,000 deaths per 100,000 infections. By his calculations, the coronavirus is likely to be 50 to 100 times more deadly than the seasonal flu, which supports the Columbia University findings......

....Part of the problem with communicating the true death rate is that COVID-19 fatalities have been especially challenging to track in a timely manner. Registering that a death has occurred and determining its cause are two basic functions of public health. Even in situations less chaotic and slower-moving than COVID-19, it can take several days for state officials to receive notification of a death. States then forward their data to the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics, where the death and its cause are logged.

Due to the significance of the COVID-19 pandemic, the CDC has added an extra step in which the agency uses humans instead of computers to verify the information on the death certificate before they formally add it to their tally. Although the CDC has gotten much faster at performing this task since March, it is still taking around a week to formally record a coronavirus death, says Kirk Bol, manager of the Vital Statistics Program at the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment...."

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/07/coronavirus-deadlier-than-many-believed-infection-fatality-rate-cvd/

Those aren't the numbers from CDC. Post the source data that Business Insider used from the CDC Blake. You don't even need to do covid, just find the influenza data and post it.

[boutons_deux]

Switzerland has the pandemic under control, like ALL other industrial, advanced countries EXCEPT ...

USA's pandemic, under Repug MISgovernance, is exploding

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~CHE&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

you can see that Switzerland opening schools, etc was followed by a significant increases in cases a few weeks later, from under 20 news cases /day to now over 90

[Blake]

Those aren't the numbers from CDC. Post the source data that Business Insider used from the CDC Blake. You don't even need to do covid, just find the influenza data and post it.

They did it for you. You're an idiot

[TSA]

They did it for you. You're an idiot

The only idiot is the one who saw that graph and thought it backed their position. Any non-idiot would have realized right away it was wrong. Those numbers for influenza are no where to be found from CDC. Influenza is far more deadly than Covid for kids 0-17. The 65+ death rate for influenza is wrong too. Show me the data Business Insider used from the CDC to create that graph you thought proved a point.

[hater]

The only idiot is the one who saw that graph and thought it backed their position. Any non-idiot would have realized right away it was wrong. Those numbers for influenza are no where to be found from CDC. Influenza is far more deadly than Covid for kids 0-17. The 65+ death rate for influenza is wrong too. Show me the data Business Insider used from the CDC to create that graph you thought proved a point.

Then why is Trump pushing for masks and vaccines tbqh??

[spurraider21]

Then why is Trump pushing for masks and vaccines tbqh??
trump is part of the anti-trump conspiracy

deep state methods now include inception

[hater]

trump is part of the anti-trump conspiracy

deep state methods now include inception

Hes part of the communist jew conspiracy that is aligned with the pope and bill gates????

[spurraider21]

Hes part of the communist jew conspiracy that is aligned with the pope and bill gates????
and mark of the beast 666

[hater]

Back to 1k carcasses a day again damns nigas

Corona soon to become leading cause of death in cali

Just a little flu. Time to go bbq some chorizo

[ChumpDumper]

Back to 1k carcasses a day again damns nigas

Corona soon to become leading cause of death in cali

Just a little flu. Time to ho bbq some chorizoAt least all those other people died in New York in April...So there's that....

[Blake]

The only idiot is the one who saw that graph and thought it backed their position. Any non-idiot would have realized right away it was wrong. Those numbers for influenza are no where to be found from CDC. Influenza is far more deadly than Covid for kids 0-17. The 65+ death rate for influenza is wrong too. Show me the data Business Insider used from the CDC to create that graph you thought proved a point.

You're saying I should believe gummi graph over Business Insider.

Because of course a media outlet named Business Insider wouldn't know how to make a proper graph, citing their CDC numbers.

Sorry, not gonna take a ride on the TSA idiot rodeo

[tholdren]

Those aren't the numbers from CDC. Post the source data that Business Insider used from the CDC Blake. You don't even need to do covid, just find the influenza data and post it.

Can't. He's trying to do the following

Explain that covid is extremely contagious and extremely fatal. New daily cases only lead to ifr decrease based on not being mpre fatal than flu to those younger than 50.

Age of case goes down ifr down

[ChumpDumper]

ifrShow your math.

[tholdren]

Can't. He's trying to do the following

Explain that covid is extremely contagious and extremely fatal. New daily cases only lead to ifr decrease based on not being mpre fatal than flu to those younger than 50.

Age of case goes down ifr down

Chumpdump chasing people talking about how do you calculate this? Then proceeding to tell people how numbers work. Lolololllll

[ChumpDumper]

Chumpdump chasing people talking about how do you calculate this? Then proceeding to tell people how numbers work. LolololllllShow your math or fold.

[tholdren]

Show your math or fold.

hit a nerve for months because he has no idea

[spurraider21]

new record for most daily deaths since may 29

[tholdren]

new record for most daily deaths since may 29
Daily death reported. Has nothing to do with the increase or decrease of covid spread ifr. Media hype only

[spurraider21]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

[midnightpulp]

Daily death reported. Has nothing to do with the increase or decrease of covid spread ifr. Media hype only

Yep. All those deaths are from April and May! Nothing to see here.

Straight up question. Do you think Florida has had fewer deaths in July than in other months?

[hater]

Then why is Trump pushing for masks and vaccines tbqh???

TSA MIA again...

[ChumpDumper]

hit a nerve for months because he has no ideaYou haven't posted any math since you hid in your bunker.

[Reck]

I can’t believe California now has the most cases of all states.

Hopefully that’s where it stops. You don’t need another NY in terms of deaths now, too.

[tholdren]

You haven't posted any math since you hid in your bunker.

rip ChumpDumper

[boutons_deux]

https://ci6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/H-i0TAEZxnAIKmLiUCGnEN2t4GRF34IrYS9Fu3DOirCVDAINk1T0 TiXoiK7A_cnE0BX5Al3pU7G97Jlh0doiaiEZ5tbcfvBEQc0dV9 teK-DkUWTAEJEfl5SvLC5LhJBt6cRWaZAqF-bGmJqTsi0iEQATGL3WAB5R6irnRj-oKw28WocJ8Ndp=s0-d-e1-ft#https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/07/23/multimedia/23-MORNING-REGIONCASES/23-MORNING-REGIONCASES-articleLarge.png

[TSA]

You're saying I should believe gummi graph over Business Insider.

Because of course a media outlet named Business Insider wouldn't know how to make a proper graph, citing their CDC numbers.

Sorry, not gonna take a ride on the TSA idiot rodeo

:lol lashing out with childish name calling when you can't admit you're wrong. You do you.

[TSA]

midnightpulp...the exact opposite of what you feared

https://mobile.twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1286066757707472901

[hater]

Then why is Trump pushing for masks and vaccines tbqh???

TSA MIA again...

Called it :tu

[TSA]

most seem to be confirmed by motorcycle crashes apparently

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1286159092260786176

[TSA]

TSA MIA again...

Called it :tu

Your question was ignored because it was irrelevant to the discussion.

[baseline bum]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1286159092260786176

You can subtract those and I'll add the excess pneumonia deaths

[hater]

Your question was ignored because it was irrelevant to the discussion.

:lmao my question was regarding the virus compared to regular flu. Which is very relevant to the discussion.

Why is trump pushing for masks and vaccines vs this virus?



TSA will dodge again. Calling it now :tu

[TSA]

:lmao my question was regarding the virus compared to regular flu. Which is very relevant to the discussion.

Why is trump pushing for masks and vaccines vs this virus?



TSA will dodge again. Calling it now :tu

What did your question have to do with the graph Blake posted being wrong?

[hater]

What did your question have to do with the graph Blake posted being wrong?

After seeing the graph. Why is Trump still pushing for masks and vaccines?

[spurraider21]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1286159092260786176
its a good thing that such data is transparent.

dont know what that really says in the scheme of things. assuming the ~3% has remained constant, that still means we have over 140k deaths that dont include intentional/unintentional injury, poisoning, and other adverse events. so does that really change the narrative or the decision making process?

[spurraider21]

What did your question have to do with the graph Blake posted being wrong?
what do you see as the actual CDC data which should have been shown in the graph? i tried poking around for a few minutes yesterday during the discussion and couldnt find the data, admittedly

[TSA]

After seeing the graph. Why is Trump still pushing for masks and vaccines?

Masks can help slow the spread and we don't currently have a vaccine for covid. Just get to the point and tell me what your failed gotcha was :lol

[midnightpulp]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerpen/status/1286159092260786176

These truthers can whine about this all they want, fact is Covid deaths are being underreported. California has 4000 more "pneumonia" deaths than a typical year.

[midnightpulp]

Florida with a 173 reported deaths. A new record. Write DeathSentence and tell him to shutdown tholdren

[Winehole23]

If we can have a robust Federal response to protesters, can we have one for testing and PPE, too?

Trump has power he's not using to create both the infrastructure and distribution for PPE and testing. It's unrealistic to expect private industry to scale quickly to meet temporary emergency needs, nor is it realistic to think private industry can coordinate the distribution of emergency supplies nationally in a manner consistent with public health.

Trump needs to order up the productive capacity to fight COVID-19. Sooner the better.

[tholdren]

Florida with a 173 reported deaths. A new record. Write DeathSentence and tell him to shutdown tholdren

Midnightpulp still lying about data.

[midnightpulp]

Midnightpulp still lying about data.

A NEW record. Now tell me about how Hawaii is doing?

[hater]

Masks can help slow the spread and we don't currently have a vaccine for covid. Just get to the point and tell me what your failed gotcha was :lol

So you agree with trump on wearing masks and pushing for vaccine for this?

Good :tu

So this is more than a mere flu

[tholdren]

A NEW record. Now tell me about how Hawaii is doing?

Midnightpulp still lying about data

[TSA]

what do you see as the actual CDC data which should have been shown in the graph? i tried poking around for a few minutes yesterday during the discussion and couldnt find the data, admittedly

I couldn't find matching date either and that's the problem. Nothing from CDC shows that data for influenza and we already know influenza is more deadly for 0-17 year olds than covid. The 65+ influenza data makes no sense either.

[spurraider21]

I couldn't find matching date either and that's the problem. Nothing from CDC shows that data for influenza and we already know influenza is more deadly for 0-17 year olds than covid. The 65+ influenza data makes no sense either.
matching data notwithstanding, i didnt see anything even for previous years about mortality rate breakdowns by age group. either that or i need to spend a lot more time to figure out how to actually navigate the site and find that specific data

[TSA]

These truthers can whine about this all they want, fact is Covid deaths are being underreported. California has 4000 more "pneumonia" deaths than a typical year.

Just drop it with the truther shit already mid :lol Data is data. Were you aware there were 3000+ covid deaths classified like this? I didn't. It doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things but nonetheless it's kind of shocking they'd include these as covid deaths.

[TSA]

matching data notwithstanding, i didnt see anything even for previous years about mortality rate breakdowns by age group. either that or i need to spend a lot more time to figure out how to actually navigate the site and find that specific data

2019-2020 isn't even out yet and is still in preliminary cumulative estimate stage. 2018-2019 is the most recent with an age breakdown.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

[spurraider21]

2019-2020 isn't even out yet and is still in preliminary cumulative estimate stage. 2018-2019 is the most recent with an age breakdown.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
those numbers line up exactly with the graph if you just divide the estimated deaths by estimated sympomatic illnesses, except age 5-17 shouldnt have been rounded up to 0.01

so there you go

[midnightpulp]

Just drop it with the truther shit already mid :lol Data is data. Were you aware there were 3000+ covid deaths classified like this? I didn't. It doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things but nonetheless it's kind of shocking they'd include these as covid deaths.

I'm not surprised. But it's really a moot point because pneumonia deaths are tracking with the increase in Covid deaths during a time where pneumonia are a seasonal lows. He's also making an inference without proof. Covid blood clot causes stroke, victim collapses and cracks skull on floor, death certificate: Traumatic head injury/Covid.

He also doesn't stratify causes, suggesting that "poisoning" deaths are in relative equal proportion as other deaths. And if he was intellectually honest, he'd point out all the pneumonia death increases that AREN'T being coded as Covid. I've seen this guy's posts. Truther.

[Splits]

Do those poisoning deaths include ODing on hydroxychloroquin and injecting bleach?

[tholdren]

Midnightpulp still lying about data

He's unable to compute so maybe not lying but definitely gossip

[midnightpulp]

midnightpulp...the exact opposite of what you feared

https://mobile.twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1286066757707472901

Does he provide a link to a testimonials from state data scientists and such that this is the case? I know this guy is another truther, so I have my suspicions.

:lol
Run @UnscriptedOhio1 podcast network covering #Buckeyes and Ohio sports. CMH to ATL to CMH. Major in Neuroticism, minor in OCD. Temporary Covid-19 analyst.

[TSA]

Does he provide a link to a testimonials from state data scientists and such that this is the case? I know this guy is another truther, so I have my suspicions.

:lol

:lol your suspicions also had you thinking the government was going to hide all covid data from the public after HHS took over.

[TheGreatYacht]

Masks can help slow the spread and we don't currently have a vaccine for covid. Just get to the point and tell me what your failed gotcha was :lol

So you agree with trump on wearing masks and pushing for vaccine for this?

Good :tu

So this is more than a mere flu

The almighty power of Donald Trump over his cult followers. Trump has the power to turn right-wingers like TSA into Chumpettes. Or was this another QAnon 5D chess move by Trump? Which one is it TSA? What is QAnon saying about Trump and his wife promoting mask wearing?

[hater]

The almighty power of Donald Trump over his cult followers. Trump has the power to turn right-wingers like TSA into Chumpettes. Or was this another QAnon 5D chess move by Trump? Which one is it TSA? What is QAnon saying about Trump and his wife promoting mask wearing?

Thats how fanboys are always exposed tbqh. This is why being a fanboy for either team is pathetically stupid.

Although I disagree with you on countless things. I think we can both agree that you and me are not fanboys.

Props ma nig :tu

[TheGreatYacht]

Thats how fanboys are always exposed tbqh. This is why being a fanboy for either team is pathetically stupid.

Although I disagree with you on countless things. I think we can both agree that you and me are not fanboys.

Props ma nig :tu

Ma nig :toast

[midnightpulp]

:lol your suspicions also had you thinking the government was going to hide all covid data from the public after HHS took over.

No, not hide all the data. My "fear" is that they would fudge the data or further limit what could be classified as a Covid death/diagnosis to drive down the death rate. Governors already do that on a state level. And it's not an R or D thing, either. California has one of the largest ratios of "pneumonia" deaths to confirmed Covid deaths.

[TSA]

No, not hide all the data. My "fear" is that they would fudge the data or further limit what could be classified as a Covid death/diagnosis to drive down the death rate. Governors already do that on a state level. And it's not an R or D thing, either. California has one of the largest ratios of "pneumonia" deaths to confirmed Covid deaths.

Weren't you the one saying that after the CDC website went dark the public would no longer have access to the data and only experts "in the circle" would have access to the data while other needed experts would be shit out of luck and not able to access the data?

[midnightpulp]

Weren't you the one saying that after the CDC website went dark the public would no longer have access to the data and only experts "in the circle" would have access to the data while other needed experts would be shit out of luck and not able to access the data?


The general public, however, can only see the number of inpatient beds in each state, the number of all inpatient beds occupied by COVID-19 patients, and the number of intensive care unit beds that are occupied. HHS Protect does not give data on how many ICU beds are occupied by patients with COVID-19. It is not clear whether those data are available to the verified users of the data system.

HHS has not made it clear who will be included among verified users aside from state health officials, CDC staff, and hospitals.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934288

[TSA]

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/934288

edit: not registering just post the article.

[midnightpulp]

edit: not registering just post the article.

The federal government has made public a fraction of the data it began requiring hospitals to provide to its new COVID-19 portal ― at least to those who are not verified ― days after it barred the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from collecting and reporting the information.

Many public health officials and epidemiologists have expressed concern that the change in reporting requirements could cause delays in response to the pandemic as hospitals learn the new system and that it could hinder state health departments and researchers from analyzing what's happening in their state, region, or nationally if they don't get access to all the data.

Jose Arrieta, the chief information officer at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), told reporters on a July 20 call that individuals who log on to the HHS Protect Coronavirus Data Hub — who are validated and authenticated ― will be able to see all the data that hospitals submit, even if it is missing elements requested by the agency.

Having the raw data means "they can do their own predictions, they can do their own modeling, so they can get an understanding of how their own communities are faring in the response," said Arrieta.

HHS Protect also collects supply chain data from government and industry; data from diagnostic labs regarding test results; testing locations; state policy actions; emergency department data on COVID-19 and influenza-like illness; and other information.

The general public, however, can only see the number of inpatient beds in each state, the number of all inpatient beds occupied by COVID-19 patients, and the number of intensive care unit beds that are occupied. HHS Protect does not give data on how many ICU beds are occupied by patients with COVID-19. It is not clear whether those data are available to the verified users of the data system.

HHS has not made it clear who will be included among verified users aside from state health officials, CDC staff, and hospitals.

Backlash
Hospitals — and some state health departments on behalf of hospitals — had previously been reporting COVID-related data to the CDC's National Healthcare Safety Network. Some also had been reporting to HHS Protect, which became operational on April 10.

But on July 10, HHS quietly issued a guidance document that notified those state officials and hospitals that they should stop reporting to the CDC and should instead submit data through the new HHS Protect system beginning July 15.

There was a swift backlash to the announcement. Janet Hamilton, MPH, executive director of the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists, told Medscape Medical News that state health officials felt "totally blindsided by this and they had no time to work with their hospitals or prepare or do the things that we in public health really like to do."

Arrieta said that HHS was aware that the move had caused some angst. "We realize this is a change, and any time there is a change, any change, it obviously creates a little bit of tension, maybe a little bit of pain," he told reporters on July 20.

But he said the new system would be able to track data more efficiently and report it in real time. Arrieta said only 3000 of the nation's 6200 hospitals were using the CDC system, which left an information gap.

"We're very encouraged by the large number of hospitals we have reporting since this change was announced," he said. He noted that 4500 to 4700 hospitals were now reporting to HHS Protect.

[midnightpulp]

^don't think they'll have any control over death data, which we can all grab directly from county and state data sets. So I'm not THAT worried.

[Blake]

:lol lashing out with childish name calling when you can't admit you're wrong. You do you.

K, derp

[TSA]

^don't think they'll have any control over death data, which we can all grab directly from county and state data sets. So I'm not THAT worried.

And we've still got John Hopkins which never relied on CDC data to begin with. I get your skepticism about the HHS site but I don't think there is anything nefarious going on.

[boutons_deux]

And we've still got John Hopkins which never relied on CDC data to begin with. I get your skepticism about the HHS site but I don't think there is anything nefarious going on.

If Trash does ANYTHING, it's nefarious, fraudulent, dishonest, obfuscating, until proven otherwise.

Of course, TSA always gives Trash the benefit of the doubt

eg, CDC secretly told 11 hot spot cities to get their pandemic shit together, secretly so as not to undermine Trash's downplaying of The Trump-Made Pandemic

[midnightpulp]

And we've still got John Hopkins which never relied on CDC data to begin with. I get your skepticism about the HHS site but I don't think there is anything nefarious going on.

The governors and/or state health departments are probably being sneakier anyway. The whole pneumonia death deal. From what I've read. Covid is rather easy to diagnose since the "ground glass" effect in the lungs is prominent, but many states require a confirmed test to code it as Covid.

[tholdren]

The governors and/or state health departments are probably being sneakier anyway. The whole pneumonia death deal. From what I've read. Covid is rather easy to diagnose since the "ground glass" effect in the lungs is prominent, but many states require a confirmed test to code it as Covid.

lololooolol

You have no clue

[RandomGuy]

From a couple of weeks ago

Does that explain the spike in deaths due to "all causes"

Chickenshit.

[RandomGuy]

Just drop it with the truther shit already mid :lol Data is data. Were you aware there were 3000+ covid deaths classified like this? I didn't. It doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things but nonetheless it's kind of shocking they'd include these as covid deaths.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980


Main Outcomes and Measures Increases in weekly deaths due to any cause or deaths due to pneumonia/influenza/COVID-19 above a baseline, which was adjusted for time of year, influenza activity, and reporting delays. These estimates were compared with reported deaths attributed to COVID-19 and with testing data.

Results There were approximately 781 000 total deaths in the United States from March 1 to May 30, 2020, representing 122 300 (95% prediction interval, 116 800-127 000) more deaths than would typically be expected at that time of year. There were 95 235 reported deaths officially attributed to COVID-19 from March 1 to May 30, 2020. The number of excess all-cause deaths was 28% higher than the official tally of COVID-19–reported deaths during that period. In several states, these deaths occurred before increases in the availability of COVID-19 diagnostic tests and were not counted in official COVID-19 death records. There was substantial variability between states in the difference between official COVID-19 deaths and the estimated burden of excess deaths.

Conclusions and Relevance Excess deaths provide an estimate of the full COVID-19 burden and indicate that official tallies likely undercount deaths due to the virus. The mortality burden and the completeness of the tallies vary markedly between states.

JAMA truther now. :lol

[RandomGuy]

These truthers can whine about this all they want, fact is Covid deaths are being underreported. California has 4000 more "pneumonia" deaths than a typical year.


Just drop it with the truther shit already mid :lol Data is data. Were you aware there were 3000+ covid deaths classified like this? I didn't. It doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things but nonetheless it's kind of shocking they'd include these as covid deaths.


The May 9 endpoint was chosen due to apparently increased reporting lags in provisional mortality counts. We estimated greater excess mortality than official COVID-19 mortality in the U.S. (excess mortality 95% confidence interval (CI) (80862, 107284) vs. 78834 COVID-19 deaths) and 6 states: California (excess mortality 95% CI (2891, 5873) vs. 2849 COVID-19 deaths); Illinois (95% CI (4412, 5871) vs. 3525 COVID-19 deaths); Massachusetts (95% CI (5061, 6317) vs. 5050 COVID-19 deaths); New Jersey (95% CI (12497, 15307) vs. 10465 COVID-19 deaths); and New York (95% CI (30469, 37722) vs. 26584 COVID-19 deaths). Conventional model results were consistent with semiparametric results but less precise.
Official COVID-19 mortality substantially understates actual mortality, suggesting greater case-fatality rates. Mortality reporting lags appeared to worsen during the pandemic, when timeliness in surveillance systems was most crucial for improving pandemic response.



I could put the bolded part in size 7 font if that would help.

[TSA]

I could put the bolded part in size 7 font if that would help.

Why would you bold and put something in size 7 font that I wasn't arguing against? :lol

[spurraider21]

1286436564332150784

[midnightpulp]

1286436564332150784

Bet that burned Trump's ass he was invited to throw out the first pitch in DC.

[midnightpulp]

From Trump's White House briefing. Jesus, this is just blatant propaganda.

https://i.imgur.com/s9Mcz9p.png

[DMC]

Spain, France, UK, Sweden all have higher deaths per million than US but people here keep sucking them off.

[hater]

Spain, France, UK, Sweden all have higher deaths per million than US but people here keep sucking them off.

You are right we should be sucking off the real winners.

China, vietnam, cuba tbqh

[midnightpulp]

Spain, France, UK, Sweden all have higher deaths per million than US but people here keep sucking them off.

:lol no. I've criticized Sweden to no end. I've called the UK insane with their purposeful herd immunity strategy early in the pandemic. Spain got blindsided but locked down hard and has crushed their curve. And yes, France didn't perform well. That said, we'll likely exceed a couple of those on deaths per million. In any event, we rank 11th in the deaths per million out of 200 listed countries and we're trending up.

[ChumpDumper]

Spain, France, UK, Sweden all have higher deaths per million than US but people here keep sucking them off.:lol we have a whole thread dedicated to criticizing Sweden and I don't remember our saying much good about the others. More the opposite.

Welcome to the party, I guess.

[spurraider21]

Spain, France, UK, Sweden all have higher deaths per million than US but people here keep sucking them off.
:lmao what?

who is sucking them off, tholdren?

[boutons_deux]

USA undercounts C19 deaths, with pandemic "excess deaths" being pneumonia

Conclusions and Relevance

Excess deaths provide an estimate of the full COVID-19 burden and indicate that

official tallies likely undercount deaths due to the virus.

The mortality burden and the completeness of the tallies vary markedly between states.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2767980)

tallies vary between blue vs red states?

[boutons_deux]

WH won't be publishing this

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~CHE~AUT~BEL~DNK~FIN~FRA~DEU~IRL~ITA~NO R~ESP~SWE~GBR&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

[spurraider21]

From Trump's White House briefing. Jesus, this is just blatant propaganda.

https://i.imgur.com/s9Mcz9p.png
i mean, the data is from the european cdc

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&cfrMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~CHE~AUT~BEL~DNK~FIN~FRA~DEU~IRL~ITA~NO R~ESP~SWE~GBR&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

[Blake]

You are right we should be sucking off the real winners.

China, vietnam, cuba tbqh

:lol

[midnightpulp]

i mean, the data is from the european cdc

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&cfrMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~CHE~AUT~BEL~DNK~FIN~FRA~DEU~IRL~ITA~NO R~ESP~SWE~GBR&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

Yeah, data is accurate but the context is hidden. Of course we're going to have a lower CFR than those countries who tested less and were only testing critical cases, like the UK. That's why half truths and such are the best propaganda lol

[spurraider21]

Yeah, data is accurate but the context is hidden. Of course we're going to have a lower CFR than those countries who tested less and were only testing critical cases, like the UK. That's why half truths and such are the best propaganda lol
yep. its funny because he tried to play the other side during his interview with chris wallace (which was fucking hilarious through and through). he was saying that because we are now testing so much, we are catching mild cases, or "children with sniffles." now he's using that same reality to boast about infection fatality rates. and even then, i dont care if our infection fatality rate is very low if we have a monumentally absurd amount of cases. we have more cases per capita than just about anywhere besides chile

[boutons_deux]

A Doctor Who Specializes in Long-Term COVID-19 Effects Is Alarmed by What He Sees

patients still suffer from COVID symptoms months after their diagnoses

Dr. Zijian Chen, medical director of Mount Sinai’s Center for Post-COVID Care

the center has seen 300 patients who were either COVID-19-positive or presumed positive, and have continued to experience distress.

the wide range of symptoms he’s seeing, the psychological toll of COVID-19’s aftereffects, and his fear that some patients may never recover.

The most prominent of these symptoms is definitely shortness of breath. I would say 60 to 70 percent of our patients are short of breath in one way or the other. Then there is chest pain and chest discomfort, and then neurological symptoms, like fatigue, weakness, poor concentration, poor memory.

most surprising thing I’ve seen is how much psychiatric illness there is — anxiety and depression. There’s a very high percentage of that.

anywhere from 25 to 35 percent of the patients we see are suffering from anxiety, depression, PTSD, or something similar.

COVID is unique in that there are so many different body symptoms.

I can’t really think of another illness that’s as traumatic.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/a-specialist-sounds-the-alarm-on-long-term-covid-19-effects.html

[CosmicCowboy]

An interesting article on T cells

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19?ocid=ww.social.link.facebook&fbclid=IwAR2iwGzmwkoJUOhNVwhhGyw9aRIzmidym7c6ooVYj Qs2ZZsP-Gnx8R_YTTs

[Winehole23]

yep. its funny because he tried to play the other side during his interview with chris wallace (which was fucking hilarious through and through). he was saying that because we are now testing so much, we are catching mild cases, or "children with sniffles." now he's using that same reality to boast about infection fatality rates. and even then, i dont care if our infection fatality rate is very low if we have a monumentally absurd amount of cases. we have more cases per capita than just about anywhere besides chileWe're #5 worldwide, according to the NYT.

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[RandomGuy]

Spain, France, UK, Sweden all have higher deaths per million than US but people here keep sucking them off.

translation:

"other countries that had their outbreaks earlier than we did had more people die than we have in the beginning of OUR outbreak, look how good we are, I don't understand how time works, durr dee durr, (eats boogers and runs into a wall)"

:lmao

[RandomGuy]

An interesting article on T cells

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19?ocid=ww.social.link.facebook&fbclid=IwAR2iwGzmwkoJUOhNVwhhGyw9aRIzmidym7c6ooVYj Qs2ZZsP-Gnx8R_YTTs

(leans back and thinks a bit) It would explain asymptomatic spread. If you have some mild immunity to begin with, you can keep the virus' reproduction from spiraling out of control while the rest of immune system catches up. The virus is still reproducing at a fast clip before the things that really target them can kick in.


Speculation:
It may have something to do with a vaccine we all have had, but one developed or widespread in the last 60 years, or that fades over time, akin to tetanus shots that require boosters.

Young children, who all have to have their shots would have much more recent immunity. It would explain both levels of vulnerability.

If that is the case we may already have a vaccine that works at least mildly, but just don't know it.

[boutons_deux]

If one has had one of the several human corona viruses as simple cold or flu:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/general-information.html

... then T-cells have have been primed for C19 having been stimulated by other non-fatal coronaviruses

[boutons_deux]

As FAILED STATE USA continues to have 10Ms of bad-faith, anti-govt assholes

who refuse masks and distancing, the REPUG so-called govt FAILS to provide enough testing, rapid results testing, and contact tracing

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/115628314_3143370749042547_7337111415741881759_o.p ng?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=RV6k0Faks7oAX8bqRV9&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=f35a9104c6fd75359f84dd41a0707c54&oe=5F3EE521

[hater]

RIP Trump country

https://twitter.com/ferber_michele/status/1287009558360133632?s=19

[pgardn]

RIP Trump country

https://twitter.com/ferber_michele/status/1287009558360133632?s=19

The valley in South Texas is getting crushed.
this is not trump country.
it’s a bunch of poor Hispanic communities, go figure.

amazingly this virus is also killing Democrats in Texas.

[boutons_deux]

Republican in the hospital with COVID-19 after suggesting virus is a ‘hoax’ and preaching at maskless church service

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/maskless-service.jpeg

Arkansas State Sen. Jason Rapert (R)

has a known history of downplaying the coronavirus,

even pushing narratives (https://www.facebook.com/JasonRapertForArkansas/posts/10157350808341304) on social media that describe it as a “hoax.”

Now, he’s contracted the virus after appearing as a guest preacher at Sanctuary of Hope church in Branson, Missouri about two weeks ago.

According to a post on his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/JasonRapertForArkansas/posts/10157614583811304) this Thursday, Rapert is in the hospital “after being diagnosed with pneumonia and

testing positive for Covid-19.”

“We have all been doing our best to wear a mask, :lol

social distance :lol

and be careful like everyone else. :lol

This virus is serious :lol

and can attack anyone regardless of age or general health,” he added.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/republican-in-the-hospital-with-19-after-suggesting-is-a-hoax-and-preaching-at-maskless-church-service/

[boutons_deux]

Current coronavirus wave 'could continue through the winter'

now it's looking more likely that the first wave will continue for months,

"The trends that we see across the U.S. don't look like they're peaking anytime soon,"

https://theweek.com/speedreads/927551/daily-coronavirus-cases-arizona-are-declining-but-states-fatality-rate-rising-fast

[Blake]

Republican in the hospital with COVID-19 after suggesting virus is a ‘hoax’ and preaching at maskless church service

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/maskless-service.jpeg

Arkansas State Sen. Jason Rapert (R)

has a known history of downplaying the coronavirus,

even pushing narratives (https://www.facebook.com/JasonRapertForArkansas/posts/10157350808341304) on social media that describe it as a “hoax.”

Now, he’s contracted the virus after appearing as a guest preacher at Sanctuary of Hope church in Branson, Missouri about two weeks ago.

According to a post on his Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/JasonRapertForArkansas/posts/10157614583811304) this Thursday, Rapert is in the hospital “after being diagnosed with pneumonia and

testing positive for Covid-19.”

“We have all been doing our best to wear a mask, :lol

social distance :lol

and be careful like everyone else. :lol

This virus is serious :lol

and can attack anyone regardless of age or general health,” he added.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/republican-in-the-hospital-with-19-after-suggesting-is-a-hoax-and-preaching-at-maskless-church-service/




I don't understand I thought he was wearing the armor of god

[boutons_deux]

I don't understand I thought he was wearing the armor of god

he should have bathed in the blood of Christ

[baseline bum]

Current coronavirus wave 'could continue through the winter'

now it's looking more likely that the first wave will continue for months,

"The trends that we see across the U.S. don't look like they're peaking anytime soon,"

"The trends that we see across the U.S. don't look like they're peaking anytime soon,"

https://theweek.com/speedreads/927551/daily-coronavirus-cases-arizona-are-declining-but-states-fatality-rate-rising-fast

There are no waves. Without lockdown and actually ramping up testing and contact tracing to actually accomplish something with a lockdown it's probably not hitting a lull until it infects a significant proportion of Americans.

[Blake]

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[DarrinS]

So, the entire U.S. deaths are on par with just NY in mid-April.

[Blake]

So, Darrin has set into broken record mode

[ElNono]

So, the entire U.S. deaths are on par with just NY in mid-April.

That's both good and bad, tbh

[pgardn]

So, the entire U.S. deaths are on par with just NY in mid-April.

NY population density made it extraordinarily vulnerable.
Also being a major hub for the transport of people.
Sadly the warmer weather did the opposite possibly of what it was supposed to, it kept people in close contact inside.

But when people decided to cram together anyway in the South, they burst the chance they had.
Our federal government was extraordinarily counter productive almost the entire way. (under the orange, who gave up trying to talk it down)

[DarrinS]

So, the entire U.S. deaths are on par with just NY in mid-April.

You guys really hate when this is pointed out

[Winehole23]

You guys really hate when this is pointed outThat you think this is somehow comforting is really weird, considering that NY was the previous epicenter and had like -- half the deaths overall? Is that right?

[DarrinS]

That you think this is somehow comforting is really weird, considering that NY was the previous epicenter and had like -- half the deaths overall? Is that right?

If all these "hot spot" states were having 1K deaths per day, it would be horrific. But, that's not the case.

[Winehole23]

If all these "hot spot" states were having 1K deaths per day, it would be horrific. But, that's not the case.Pardon me if I don't share your sense of the diminishing marginal disutility of death.

Exactly what threshold of death do you deem tolerable? 168 is the TX death toll today.

For how long will that be tolerable?

Do you think that frequency will increase in the winter months? Will it be tolerable then if it is just a thousand deaths a day, instead of a hundred a day, because someone exceeded that daily count somewhere else?

Before I say anything else, what you just said is one of the creepiest things I have ever witnessed with my own eyes.

[Winehole23]

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83

[Winehole23]

tolerable rate of people drowning on dry land every day for DarrinS, tho

[DarrinS]

Pardon me if I don't share your sense of the diminishing marginal disutility of death.

Exactly what threshold of death do you deem tolerable? 168 is the TX death toll today.

For how long will that be tolerable?

Do you think that frequency will increase in the winter months? Will it be tolerable then if it is just a thousand deaths a day, instead of a hundred a day, because someone exceeded that daily count somewhere else?

Before I say anything else, what you just said is one of the creepiest things I have ever witnessed with my own eyes.

One of the creepiest things that you've ever witnessed with your own eyes? Really?

I should feel bad that Texas, currently, isn't nearly as bad as NY in its peak?

[DarrinS]

In my zip code with 30K residents, there are just over 200 cumulative cases and zero deaths.

[Winehole23]

One of the creepiest things that you've ever witnessed with your own eyes? Really?

I should feel bad that Texas, currently, isn't nearly as bad as NY in its peak?I ain't responsible for you or your feelings.

[DarrinS]

I ain't responsible for you or your feelings.

I'm not emoting. You are

[Winehole23]

I'm not emoting. You areYour unprompted denial raises questions it purports to answer, your indifference to the current rate of COVID 19 mortality tends to undermine that denial, I would say. A state of low sensitivity is on the emotional spectrum.

[DarrinS]

Your unprompted denial raises questions it purports to answer, your indifference to the current rate of COVID 19 mortality tends to undermine that denial, I would say. A state of low sensitivity is on the emotional spectrum.

What am I denying?

[ChumpDumper]

You guys really hate when this is pointed outActually it's a good illustration about just how stupid this current outbreak is.:tu

What a bunch of idiots we are to get back to the levels when we knew so much less about the virus and the disease.

[DarrinS]

Actually it's a good illustration about just how stupid this current outbreak is.:tu

What a bunch of idiots we are to get back to the levels when we knew so much less about the virus and the disease.

^You thought this was a good point. Things are bad enough. No need to exaggerate by the media.

[ChumpDumper]

^You thought this was a good point.It's the truth.

Sorry our collective failure bothers you. No need to get defensive about it.

[DarrinS]

It's the truth.

Sorry our collective failure bothers you. No need to get defensive about it.


I compared current numbers to past numbers. Don't know why that triggers folks.

[ChumpDumper]

I compared current numbers to past numbers. Don't know why that triggers folks.I don't know why our current failure triggers your defense mechanisms, but here we are.

[DarrinS]

I don't know why our current failure triggers your defense mechanisms, but here we are.

Comparing numbers = defensive?

[ChumpDumper]

Comparing numbers = defensive?Yep. All part of your "at least I'm/we're not ____" routine.

[Blake]

I compared current numbers to past numbers. Don't know why that triggers folks.

"At least we don't have as many deaths as NY"

you're a disingenuous idiot.

[Spurtacular]

Cherp and Blerp sparring with Darrin. Too much beatdowns in the heavyweights.

[ElNono]

If all these "hot spot" states were having 1K deaths per day, it would be horrific. But, that's not the case.

It's great that they're not. NY might've skewed what the normal is, but I don't know I would be celebrating having 100 or 200 covid deaths a day though.

[ChumpDumper]

Cherp and Blerp sparring with Darrin. Too much beatdowns in the heavyweights.Do you consider yourself an anonymous message board heavyweight?

:lmao

[ElNono]

Cherp and Blerp sparring with Darrin. Too much beatdowns in the heavyweights.

is this your 'present' post? any thoughts on the topic?

[Spurtacular]

Do you consider yourself an anonymous message board heavyweight?

:lmao

What does anonymous have to do with it?

Poor featherweight cherp.

[ChumpDumper]

What does anonymous have to do with it?

Poor featherweight cherp.derp folds

:lmao "heavyweight"

[Winehole23]

WE'VE TRIED NOTHING AND WE'RE ALL OUT OF IDEAS!

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-22/coronavirus-testing-is-broken-and-there-s-no-plan-to-fix-it

[Winehole23]

What am I denying?You said you weren't emoting, but that was false.

Making mortality rate stand for dangerousness minimizes COVID-19. Some people get organ damage, strokes and permanent disability.

If you cared about that, you'd lay more emphasis on managing/diminshing the size of the caseload, instead you apologize for the death rate.

One hundred and sixty eight souls drowning on dry land a day is like, de minimis to you, literally because NY deaths were factor of ten, compared to ours, at some point?

[boutons_deux]

CHILDREN CAN VERY DEFINITELY PASS COVID-19 TO OTHER CHILDREN AND TO ADULTS

a paper published in the most recent Emerging Infectious Diseases Journal (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1315_article)at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) draws starkly different conclusions.

When adjusted for rates of contact,

risk of transmission was found to be higher for children than for adults.

In fact, school-aged children were the most likely source of infections in a household.

We also found the highest COVID-19 rate (18.6%) for household contacts of school-aged children and the lowest (5.3%) for household contacts of children 0–9 years in the middle of school closure.


That same study reinforces the information that other studies showing low rates of transmission among children “showed that

school closure and social distancing significantly reduced the rate of COVID-19 among contacts of school-aged children.”

In other words,

the low rates of transmission by children ... was explicitly because of school closures and the resulting reduced rate of contacts by children.

there are plenty of real-world examples.

Like in Kansas City (https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article244348157.html), where resuming summertime sport activities and teen parties has driven a spike in cases not just among teenagers, but in their families.

And in Cincinnati (https://www.wlwt.com/article/recent-covid-19-test-results-show-more-greater-cincinnati-teenagers-getting-infected/33384116#), where rates of positive tests for teenagers are up to 7% after just a few weeks of relaxed guidelines. Even kids under 10 are seeing 5% positive results.

All the evidence indicates that

teenagers can spread the disease just as well as adults (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html),

and there is really absolutely no reason to think the same thing is not true of younger children.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/23/1963133/-Reopening-the-schools-is-an-invitation-to-create-a-wholly-unnecessary-national-tragedy?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/23/1963133/-Reopening-the-schools-is-an-invitation-to-create-a-wholly-unnecessary-national-tragedy?detail=emaildkre)

[DarrinS]

You said you weren't emoting, but that was false.

Making mortality rate stand for dangerousness minimizes COVID-19. Some people get organ damage, strokes and permanent disability.

If you cared about that, you'd lay more emphasis on managing/diminshing the size of the caseload, instead you apologize for the death rate.

One hundred and sixty eight souls drowning on dry land a day is like, de minimis to you, literally because NY deaths were factor of ten, compared to ours, at some point?


I was in the denial stage early in this thread. Now, I'm at the acceptance stage. I know how best to protect myself and others around me, but I accept that I can't control the behavior of others in my community. I accept that it's going to keep spreading. I accept that I will probably get it, assuming I haven't already had it. I accept that it's not magically going away, whether by local government intervention or by masks, social distancing, and hand washing. I accept that it's just with us and we will learn to live with it.

[pgardn]

derp folds

:lmao "heavyweight"

heavyweight asshole and incel

[tholdren]

Actually it's a good illustration about just how stupid this current outbreak is.:tu

What a bunch of idiots we are to get back to the levels when we knew so much less about the virus and the disease.

Incorrect

[pgardn]

Incorrect

Utterly wrong.

[tholdren]

Utterly wrong.
You've been wrong every post. 2 weeks

[pgardn]

You've been wrong every post. 2 weeks

You are wrong when you think about posting.

[ChumpDumper]

You've been wrong every post. 2 weeksYou were so wrong you hid in your bunker for three months.

[tholdren]

You are wrong when you think about posting.

2 weeks

[ElNono]

2 weeks

Incorrect

[tholdren]

Incorrect

remember the Ozark picture from memorial day?

2 months

[Winehole23]

Google employees will work from home until summer of next year.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-to-keep-employees-home-until-summer-2021-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-11595854201?mod=e2tw

[tholdren]

Google employees will work from home until summer of next year.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-to-keep-employees-home-until-summer-2021-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-11595854201?mod=e2tw

and

[ChumpDumper]

and

th:lolldren mad

[Winehole23]

andGoogle seems to place a very high value on the safety of its workforce.

[tholdren]

Google seems to place a very high value on the safety of its workforce.

Why would Google ever need to work in an office?

[Winehole23]

Why would Google ever need to work in an office?Good question. I would guess a lot of people don't really need to leave home to do their jobs.

[ElNono]

remember the Ozark picture from memorial day?

2 months

gossip

[ElNono]

Good question. I would guess a lot of people don't really need to leave home to do their jobs.

Every large company needs on-field personnel... from facility security to technicians, etc. Might not be the core business, but there's always essential personnel.

We just got our return to work date pushed from mid-Sept to end of December too..

[tholdren]

Every large company needs on-field personnel... from facility security to technicians, etc. Might not be the core business, but there's always essential personnel.

We just got our return to work date pushed from mid-Sept to end of December too..

not true. Gossiping el nono at it again

[ChumpDumper]

not true. Gossiping el nono at it againWrong.

[ElNono]

not true. Gossiping el nono at it again

wrong

[boutons_deux]

About 4,000 federal employees say they contracted the coronavirus at work —

and 60 have died


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/about-4000-federal-employees-say-they-contracted-the-coronavirus-at-work--and-60-have-died/2020/07/26/87ea9b36-cdd9-11ea-b0e3-d55bda07d66a_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

[DarrinS]

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[Blake]

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Yeah but did you hear about Cuomo sending patients to nursing homes back in April?

SCOREBOARD TEXAS

[ChumpDumper]

1287890434098966528"At least I'm not the New York blacks."

[DarrinS]

"At least I'm not the New York blacks."

^ When you point out something they don't like.

[ChumpDumper]

^ When you point out something they don't like.I'm putting together all the stuff you're glad you aren't when it comes to COVID.

Keep going. I'll update it as you bring other things up.

[DarrinS]

I'm putting together all the stuff you're glad you aren't when it comes to COVID.

Keep going. I'll update it as you bring other things up.


It's good that you have hobbies, while hunkering.

[ChumpDumper]

It's good that you have hobbies, while hunkering.Yawn. Darrin thinks he's braver than me.


Your hobby is drinking alone and acting superior about it.

[DarrinS]

Yawn. Darrin thinks he's braver than me.


Your hobby is drinking alone and acting superior about it.


I know that you spend numerous hours of every day having meaningless arguments here. Sad

[ChumpDumper]

I know that you spend numerous hours of every day having meaningless arguments here. SadMaybe I'm a black New Yorker with a Vitamin D deficiency too. Have another drink and feel good about your internet arguments.:tu

[DarrinS]

Maybe I'm a black New Yorker with a Vitamin D deficiency too. Have another drink and feel good about your internet arguments.:tu

When chumpcuckner is really butthurt

[ChumpDumper]

When chumpcuckner is really butthurt:lol is that name supposed to be an insult?

Good internet argument there.:tu

[midnightpulp]

:lol Bill Mitchell

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ElNono, come in a laugh at Bill Mitchell's latest

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1287959393506676736?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1287959393506676736?s=19Proven conclusively by whom?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1287846643417657344?s=19

Trump was right.

BigPharma, Media, and Democrats wanted $$$ and suppressed the truth.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1287846643417657344?s=19

Trump was right.

BigPharma, Media, and Democrats wanted $$$ and suppressed the truth.We enrolled 821 asymptomatic participants. Overall, 87.6% of the participants (719 of 821) reported a high-risk exposure to a confirmed Covid-19 contact. The incidence of new illness compatible with Covid-19 did not differ significantly between participants receiving hydroxychloroquine (49 of 414 [11.8%]) and those receiving placebo (58 of 407 [14.3%]); the absolute difference was −2.4 percentage points (95% confidence interval, −7.0 to 2.2; P=0.35). Side effects were more common with hydroxychloroquine than with placebo (40.1% vs. 16.8%), but no serious adverse reactions were reported.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

whoopsie

[ElNono]

:lol Bill Mitchell

1287816368285519872
ElNono, come in a laugh at Bill Mitchell's latest

lmao @ 'creating a new reality' (aka, let's pretend this shitshow isn't happening).

[Death In June]

https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1287846643417657344?s=19

Trump was right.

BigPharma, Media, and Democrats wanted $$$ and suppressed the truth.That video is an irresponsible crock of shit. You don't really believe this. You had a lack of pulmonologist or infectious disease in that group of self proclaimed experts. You had doctors commenting on policy (what the fuck do medical doctors know about labor unions?). You have anecdotal evidence being pushed as their only evidence. Meanwhile, you have huge trials conducted by the WHO and NIH that show no benefit. as an example, "there was no difference in 28-day mortality among 1561 patients who were randomly assigned to receive hydroxychloroquine compared with 3155 patients who received standard care (26.8 versus 25 percent, rate ratio 1.09, 95% CI 0.96-1.23); hydroxychloroquine also did not decrease length of hospital stay". And as far as pediatric patients are concerned, we have a significant amount hospitalized in the RGV. They're mostly on tube feedings. Our kids are fat here. That's just the reality of the situation and it is irresponsible to say they do well across the board. The shit you are peddling is gross.

[hater]

lmao @ 'creating a new reality' (aka, let's pretend this shitshow isn't happening).

Reminds me of democrats when they pretend Biden is a solid choice :lol

[midnightpulp]

Reminds me of democrats when they pretend Biden is a solid choice :lol

A bloated corpse found at the bottom of the Rio Grande is more of a solid choice than Dear Leader.

[hater]

A bloated corpse found at the bottom of the Rio Grande is more of a solid choice than Dear Leader.

No it isnt, Bill Mitchell. No matter how much you pretend it is.:lol

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1287959393506676736?s=19Proven!


Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches.

She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.





Toward the end of Immanuel’s speech, the event’s organizer and other participants can be seen trying to get her away from the microphone. But footage of the speech captured by Breitbart was a hit online, becoming a top video on Facebook and amassing roughly 13 million views—significantly more than “Plandemic,” (https://www.thedailybeast.com/plandemic-the-viral-coronavirus-documentary-stars-a-discredited-doctor-and-sham-science) another coronavirus disinformation video that became a viral hit online in May, when it amassed roughly 8 million Facebook views.

“Hydroxychloroquine” trended on Twitter, as Immanuel’s video was embraced by the Trumps, conservative student group Turning Point USA, and pro-Trump personalities like Diamond & Silk (https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-cuts-ties-with-diamond-and-silk). But both Facebook and Twitter eventually deleted videos of Immanuel’s speech from their sites, citing rules against COVID-19 disinformation. The deletions set off yet another round of complaints by conservatives of bias at the social-media platforms.



Immanuel responded in her own way, declaring that Jesus Christ would destroy Facebook’s servers if her videos weren’t restored to the platform.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

[boutons_deux]

Proven!



Gwandiku-Ambe is an immigrant (witch?) doctor from Nigerian med school.

An immigrant from one of Trash's African shit hole countries, female, black is a Trash hero proponent for HCQ?

strangest of times, strange people

[baseline bum]

No it isnt, Bill Mitchell. No matter how much you pretend it is.:lol

A ham sandwich could lead just as effective a COVID response as Trump, and it also wouldn't create a Schutzstaffel to incite violence in cities. Ham sandwich would be a much better president.

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1287846643417657344?s=19

Trump was right.

BigPharma, Media, and Democrats wanted $$$ and suppressed the truth.

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[Blake]

https://twitter.com/fleccas/status/1287846643417657344?s=19

Trump was right.

BigPharma, Media, and Democrats wanted $$$ and suppressed the truth.

1288117366233030659

[Blake]

Proven!









https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

BUT THEY ALL HAVE LAB COATS ON

[ElNono]

Reminds me of democrats when they pretend Biden is a solid choice :lol

:lol