Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[pgardn]

The good old days when vaccines were perfect.....

https://twitter.com/wmalnews/status/1437803765168492546?s=19

Vaccines perfect... fkn hell.

Vaccines will be perfect when every individual has a perfect immune system.
Good lord... hater always forgets the individual's own immune system in the equation.

"These vaccines should prevent jellyfish from getting the virus thank God" Its this silly.

[pgardn]

hater and other anti vaxxers always forget that some people CANNOT get vaccinated.
Even though they wish they could.

[hater]

Vaccines perfect... fkn hell.

Vaccines will be perfect when every individual has a perfect immune system.
Good lord... hater always forgets the individual's own immune system in the equation.

"These vaccines should prevent jellyfish from getting the virus thank God" Its this silly.

Dumb take

Polio vax is perfect. So many others. Good old days

[pgardn]

Dumb take

Polio vax is perfect. So many others. Good old days

No its not.
Absolutely incorrect.
You still fail to see the real threat of this particular virus. It infects and replicates in almost everyone. It tests the immune system of huge numbers of people.

[Ef-man]

Dumb take

Polio vax is perfect. So many others. Good old days

:lmao :lmao

4 doses and not 100% effective!

:lmao :lmao

[ElNono]

Dumb take

Polio vax is perfect. So many others. Good old days

Perfect in what sense? The rate of adverse reactions from it are no different than COVID vaccines, they also had their own incidents with contaminated batches...

The efficiency is better, but we're looking at a completely different virus with much less possibility of spreading as it's not airborne.

[hater]

‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses
Written by Roberta Alexander — Updated on April 5, 2019
By studying chickens, researchers say they have proven the theory that more virulent viruses can evolve from so-called “leaky” vaccines.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715

According to a new study published today in the scientific journal PLOS Biology, some types of vaccines could allow more virulent versions of a virus to survive, putting those who are unvaccinated at greater risk of severe illness.

To understand this, it’s necessary to examine the difference between “perfect” vaccines and “leaky” ones.

Perfect vaccines are so-named because they mimic the perfect immunity that humans naturally develop after having certain childhood disease.

“When a vaccine works perfectly, as do the childhood vaccines for smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella and measles, it prevents vaccinated individuals from being sickened by the disease, and it also prevents them from transmitting the virus to others,” said Andrew Read, an author of the study and an Evan Pugh professor of biology and entomology and Eberly professor in biotechnology at Penn State University.

After experiments done in a specialized pathogen-containment facility at The Pirbright Institute in the United Kingdom, the researchers concluded that the vaccines developed to combat Marek’s disease were imperfect or leaky.

“These vaccines also allow the virulent virus to continue evolving precisely because they allow the vaccinated individuals, and therefore themselves, to survive,” said Venugopal Nair, who led the research team. He is the head of the Avian Viral Diseases program at The Pirbright Institute.

These less-than-perfect vaccines create a “leaky” barrier against the virus. Vaccinated individuals may get sick but have less severe symptoms, but the virus survives long enough to transmit to others, which allows it to survive and spread throughout a population.

“Our research demonstrates that the use of leaky vaccines can promote the evolution of nastier ‘hot’ viral strains that put unvaccinated individuals at greater risk,” Nair said.

Miss those days :cry

[hater]

Perfect in what sense? The rate of adverse reactions from it are no different than COVID vaccines, they also had their own incidents with contaminated batches...

The efficiency is better, but we're looking at a completely different virus with much less possibility of spreading as it's not airborne.

Just posted it ma nig



To understand this, it’s necessary to examine the difference between “perfect” vaccines and “leaky” ones.

Perfect vaccines are so-named because they mimic the perfect immunity that humans naturally develop after having certain childhood disease.

“When a vaccine works perfectly, as do the childhood vaccines for smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella and measles, it prevents vaccinated individuals from being sickened by the disease, and it also prevents them from transmitting the virus to others,” said Andrew Read, an author of the study and an Evan Pugh professor of biology and entomology and Eberly professor in biotechnology at Penn State University.

[SnakeBoy]

Just posted it ma nig



To understand this, it’s necessary to examine the difference between “perfect” vaccines and “leaky” ones.

Perfect vaccines are so-named because they mimic the perfect immunity that humans naturally develop after having certain childhood disease.

“When a vaccine works perfectly, as do the childhood vaccines for smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella and measles, it prevents vaccinated individuals from being sickened by the disease, and it also prevents them from transmitting the virus to others,” said Andrew Read, an author of the study and an Evan Pugh professor of biology and entomology and Eberly professor in biotechnology at Penn State University.

According to every virologist, immunologist, vaccinologist that I've listened to for the past year and a half, none of those vaccines prevent infection or completely prevent transmission. But that dude studies bugs so maybe he's the one that is right.

[ElNono]

Just posted it ma nig

To understand this, it’s necessary to examine the difference between “perfect” vaccines and “leaky” ones.

Perfect vaccines are so-named because they mimic the perfect immunity that humans naturally develop after having certain childhood disease.

“When a vaccine works perfectly, as do the childhood vaccines for smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella and measles, it prevents vaccinated individuals from being sickened by the disease, and it also prevents them from transmitting the virus to others,” said Andrew Read, an author of the study and an Evan Pugh professor of biology and entomology and Eberly professor in biotechnology at Penn State University.

That just really isn't true. Yes, they're very close to 'perfect', but they're not 100%... ie:

Even the measles vaccine, which is incredibly effective, fails to protect about 3 percent of vaccinated individuals who are exposed to the virus. Jonas Salk's polio vaccine—hailed a medical miracle—was 80 percent to 90 percent effective at preventing paralysis caused by the polio virus. Breakthrough infections of flu are even more common. While the exact effectiveness of the flu vaccine fluctuates year-to-year, it ranges between 40 percent and 60 percent.

Measles and polio breakthrough infections aren't just rare because the vaccines are so effective but also because those who are vaccinated rarely interact with infected people. Even with highly effective vaccines for Covid-19, breakthrough infections are likely to keep happening because the virus is so widespread.

Article here: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/six-important-things-know-about-breakthrough-infections-180978408/

The article has links to the studies backing that up.

[hater]

That just really isn't true.

:lol ok nig

I just posted the quote from a famous science proffessor. Im not gonna get in between your musings and his scientific positions on perfect vaccines :lol

[hater]

According to every virologist, immunologist, vaccinologist that I've listened to for the past year and a half, none of those vaccines prevent infection or completely prevent transmission. But that dude studies bugs so maybe he's the one that is right.

Seems this guy is legit. And apparently Rogan used his 2015 study on chicke s to spread some vaccine phobia and it was a big deal.

Heres his response:

-Zk7bsuIZTs

He doubles down on his research and says yes this is a possibility that a leaky vaccine like covid will help worse mutations dominate.

But he is much pro vaccine qnd is pissed at Rogan using his paper for vaccine fear momgering. As in the end he says the vaccines are saving lives and that the important.

He says if the chicken scenario happens with covid the vaccines can always be improved in about 10 years and we n3ed to make sure to vaccinate EVERYONE :lol. Good luck w that

Thats the main issue I have w him now. This is not Polio. Polio had 20% or more deathrate in adults. Also Polio is not going to be endemic like Covid seems to be. And also, we are humans not chickens we cant force vacvinate EVERYONE in the planet and if need8ng yearly boosters we cant achieve that on all planet population.

Seems to me if the chicken scenario plays out with Covid and the vaccines. We are in for a world of hurt.

[Winehole23]

^^^ chicken little doomsayer

[hater]

^^^ chicken little doomsayer

Says d pussy that wants schools shutdown nationwide :lmao

[ElNono]

:lol ok nig

I just posted the quote from a famous science proffessor. Im not gonna get in between your musings and his scientific positions on perfect vaccines :lol

:lol ok

I posted an article with links refuting the "famous science proffessor"...

I'm not going to get between you and your fantasy though...

[Winehole23]

Says d pussy that wants schools shutdown nationwide :lmaoNope, I think the decision making should be local -- since August ~1000 schools have decided to shutdown temporarily because of COVID outbreaks. Pandemic conditions vary from place to place, so it makes sense that's where the discretion should lie.

COVID closing down schools for us -- which is where i think we're headed, I mean, we're kind of there right now -- might be avoidable if we mandate masking and do common sense things like social distancing, rapid testing, contact tracing, quarantine, better ventilation and dining al fresco.

There's no need to shut down schools, but we need to protect kids better.

[Winehole23]

OTOH, you've come right out and said Joe Biden should lockdown like we did in April of last year to save lives, and that all the COVID deaths since Jan 21st are on his head because he didn't protect us.

Same old two-faced hater :lol

[hater]

Nope, I think the decision making should be local -- since August ~1000 schools have decided to shutdown temporarily because of COVID outbreaks. Pandemic conditions vary from place to place, so it makes sense that's where the discretion should lie.

COVID closing down schools for us -- which is where i think we're headed, I mean, we're kind of there right now -- might be avoidable if we mandate masking and do common sense things like social distancing, rapid testing, contact tracing, quarantine, better ventilation and dining al fresco.

There's no need to shut down schools, but we need to protect kids better.

Chicken little :lol

[Winehole23]

forced hilarity might not be the winning move you think it is.

what a spaz.

[hater]

forced hilarity might not be the winning move you think it is.

what a spaz.

Neither is forced virtue signaling, nancy

[Winehole23]

lol grudgeposting

pobrecito hater

[hater]

Neither is forced virtue signaling, nancy

[Winehole23]

https://c.tenor.com/us7fggHPuXcAAAAM/tilt.gif

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/NICKIMINAJ/status/1438256221660663812?s=20

The sheepdog leftists are outraged. She simply posted a video of Tucker Carlson that she agreed with and sheepdog Hasan tries to scare her and her followers away from sources not preaching cult doctrine.

[Adam Lambert]

https://twitter.com/NICKIMINAJ/status/1438256221660663812?s=20

The sheepdog leftists are outraged. She simply posted a video of Tucker Carlson that she agreed with and sheepdog Hasan tries to scare her and her followers away from sources not preaching cult doctrine.

I think you missed it, she posted a video by Tucker Carlson, who preaches nothing but cult doctrine.

Honest mistake. :tu

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/NICKIMINAJ/status/1438257735338905600?s=20

The sheepdogs are losing their damn minds. Absolute lunatics think Tucker is too evil to agree with.

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/NICKIMINAJ/status/1438257735338905600?s=20

The sheepdogs are losing their damn minds. Absolute lunatics think Tucker is too evil to agree with.

His own station, FOX NEWS, argued and won a lawsuit on the claim that Carlson should not be believed by REASONABLE people. Tucker was fine with that win.

So you just want to forget this? Dont cry for him. He won.

[hater]

:lol Nikki Minan banned from twatter

Time to go underground railroad for anyone doubting the holy vaccine :lol

Nigas have to shut the fuck up or speak up in obscure sites like spurstalk :lol

[Nathan89]

His own station, FOX NEWS, argued and won a lawsuit on the claim that Carlson should not be believed by REASONABLE people. Tucker was fine with that win.

So you just want to forget this? Dont cry for him. He won.

That's what every network argues.

Also people should not take everything as fact from any source.

She agreed with his opinion. This doesn't change anything.

[DarrinS]

:lol Nikki Minan banned from twatter

Time to go underground railroad for anyone doubting the holy vaccine :lol

Nigas have to shut the fuck up or speak up in obscure sites like spurstalk :lol


Very 2021

[hater]

Very 2021

Yup its game over.

Im shocked NBA players still holding it down in avoiding vax mandate.so far :wow

They will get obliterated once Social Media pussies put their attention on them..bless them but lord have mercy on them :lol

[SnakeBoy]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0120/0692/products/kiss-cut-stickers-5.5x5.5-default-61158d48debef_grande.jpg?v=1628802380

[pgardn]

That's what every network argues.

Also people should not take everything as fact from any source.

She agreed with his opinion. This doesn't change anything.

No they dont in a court of law.
This basically means his show is not to be believed. Except by unreasonable people like you
The "everybody does it defense" ... except they dont.

Show me where a major NEWS network argued in court and won with the excuse they have unreasonable not to be believed material and people? It is the most popular program in the country, no?

[DarrinS]

Friendly reminder,

You all have a date with covid (most likely delta)

Good luck

[pgardn]

Friendly reminder,

You all have a date with covid (most likely delta)

Good luck

When did you mark your calendar for?

[SnakeBoy]

Friendly reminder,

You all have a date with covid (most likely delta)

Good luck

99% sure I've had mine already

[pgardn]

99% sure I've had mine already

Excellent.
Can you give the board your Zip code?

[ChumpDumper]

:lol ST's vaxxed anti-vaxxers

[DarrinS]

When did you mark your calendar for?

Been trying to get my natural booster. No luck yet. Hybrid immunity may be too strong.

[pgardn]

Been trying to get my natural booster. No luck yet. Hybrid immunity may be too strong.

Im sure the people who cant get vaccinated and the immunocompromised sympathize with your quest.
You be sure and explain that is your air to foul. Then perhaps fart if nothing else works. Maybe set up a MACE barrier with a dont tread on me flag in the middle.

[SnakeBoy]

Been trying to get my natural booster. No luck yet. Hybrid immunity may be too strong.

Odds are you won't know if you got your booster or not. I'm only pretty sure I had my delta boost because my wife spent 30 minutes with a fully vaxxed patient before they mentioned some symptoms they were having and she was like fuck lady you have covid. Six days later I had "allergy" symptoms for a day or so.

[DarrinS]

Im sure the people who cant get vaccinated and the immunocompromised sympathize with your quest.
You be sure and explain that is your air to foul. Then perhaps fart if nothing else works. Maybe set up a MACE barrier with a dont tread on me flag in the middle.

Those poor bastards should shelter in place.

[DarrinS]

Odds are you won't know if you got your booster or not. I'm only pretty sure I had my delta boost because my wife spent 30 minutes with a fully vaxxed patient before they mentioned some symptoms they were having and she was like fuck lady you have covid. Six days later I had "allergy" symptoms for a day or so.


Went to watch Ravens at Raiders at fully-packed bar (great game btw). Nada.

Going to a party on Saturday. We'll see.

[pgardn]

Those poor bastards should shelter in place.

Or go out and live like the rest of us while your people crop dust virus.

[pgardn]

Went to watch Ravens at Raiders at fully-packed bar (great game btw). Nada.

Going to a party on Saturday. We'll see.

It would be kinda cool if you were actually shedding virus in the bar though.
Theyll figure it out later if you make your knightly quest clear to the patrons.
Maybe give practice CPR mouth to mouth with one of the women with symptoms would do it?

[DarrinS]

Or go out and live like the rest of us while your people crop dust virus.

Lol, my people.

My people are fully vaxxed, even though we already had covid.

[DarrinS]

It would be kinda cool if you were actually shedding virus in the bar though.
Theyll figure it out later if you make your knightly quest clear to the patrons.


I could, theoretically, still shed virus, even with hybrid immunity.

[pgardn]

Lol, my people.

My people are fully vaxxed, even though we already had covid.

Your people are the people you share air with.
You may not like the idea. Especially with the skunks that are quite capable in Helotes on those bigger lots.

[pgardn]

I could, theoretically, still shed virus, even with hybrid immunity.

Well its not probable, but still lay out your plan to all that will listen.

[DarrinS]

Your people are the people you share air with.
You may not like the idea. Especially with the skunks that are quite capable in Helotes on those bigger lots.


Are skunks spreading covid?

[pgardn]

Are skunks spreading covid?

Not that I know of.
but when the tail goes to twitching, and you get aimed at, you will get a good feel for sharing the air.
And so will some of your Zip code. Sharing air in certain situations can be very unpleasant immediately.
It will possible make an impact on you. Or just walk into a really foul public restroom where the toilets are backed up.
Just for practice. The virus does not smell of course but the idea of transport in air might become apparent.
Or maybe not...

[DarrinS]

Not that I know of.
but when the tail goes to twitching, and you get aimed at, you will get a good feel for sharing the air.
And so will some of your Zip code. Sharing air in certain situations can be very unpleasant immediately.
It will possible make an impact on you. Or just walk into a really foul public restroom where the toilets are backed up.
Just for practice. The virus does not smell of course but the idea of transport in air might become apparent.
Or maybe not...

Ok then

[pgardn]

Ok then

Allrighty...

[baseline bum]

Went to watch Ravens at Raiders at fully-packed bar (great game btw). Nada.

Going to a party on Saturday. We'll see.

Wow you're such a hardass

[baseline bum]

Odds are you won't know if you got your booster or not. I'm only pretty sure I had my delta boost because my wife spent 30 minutes with a fully vaxxed patient before they mentioned some symptoms they were having and she was like fuck lady you have covid. Six days later I had "allergy" symptoms for a day or so.

PCR tests are free, you could have known for sure.

[boutons_deux]

Hospitals in several states are full, and hospitals in other states are filling with the overflow

a quarter of all the ICUs in the nation are on the brink of simply being unable to deal with one more patient. That’s especially true across the south.

In Alabama, for example, for the second week in a row, it’s very easy to describe how many open beds there are for patients in desperate need of care: None. There are none.

Across Texas, 169 counties have only a handful of beds to spare. Fifty-three are simply full. That includes overflow tents (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/us/covid-texas-hospitalizations-icu.html) built in the parking lot of Houston hospitals.

Florida, naturally, is heavily dotted with hospitals at or near capacity, with 24 facilities reporting having more ICU patients than ICU beds.
Idaho has a vaccination rate of just 40%. That’s one of the lowest in the nation. Lower than Florida. Lower than Texas. Lower even that Mississippi. The rate of new cases in Idaho is still going up rapidly (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/idaho/).
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2052232

anti-vaxxers love their country so much they must screw it up and hurt or kill 10Ks of their fellow Americans

Thanks the Capitalists, Repugs, Fox, rightwing hate media, America is a failed state

[pgardn]

Odds are you won't know if you got your booster or not. I'm only pretty sure I had my delta boost because my wife spent 30 minutes with a fully vaxxed patient before they mentioned some symptoms they were having and she was like fuck lady you have covid. Six days later I had "allergy" symptoms for a day or so.

They lied to the front desk or whatever protocol they used for not seeing these patients with symptoms?

I pretty sure most doctors are asking for vaccination record, take the temp AND ask about symptoms. Where my wife works anyways. They see them in the parking lot on a later date I believe, not inside.

[pgardn]

Hospitals in several states are full, and hospitals in other states are filling with the overflow

a quarter of all the ICUs in the nation are on the brink of simply being unable to deal with one more patient. That’s especially true across the south.

In Alabama, for example, for the second week in a row, it’s very easy to describe how many open beds there are for patients in desperate need of care: None. There are none.

Across Texas, 169 counties have only a handful of beds to spare. Fifty-three are simply full. That includes overflow tents (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/11/us/covid-texas-hospitalizations-icu.html) built in the parking lot of Houston hospitals.

Florida, naturally, is heavily dotted with hospitals at or near capacity, with 24 facilities reporting having more ICU patients than ICU beds.
Idaho has a vaccination rate of just 40%. That’s one of the lowest in the nation. Lower than Florida. Lower than Texas. Lower even that Mississippi. The rate of new cases in Idaho is still going up rapidly (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/idaho/).
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2052232

anti-vaxxers love their country so much they must screw it up and hurt or kill 10Ks of their fellow Americans

Thanks the Capitalists, Repugs, Fox, rightwing hate media, America is a failed state

But they call smell freedom.

Except when they lose their sense of smell and taste.

[boutons_deux]

you Repugs are nasty, corrupt, mean, ignorant mofos

Utah Republican accuses local hospitals of lying about the reasons they're out of ICU beds

The coronavirus pandemic in Utah was downplayed this week by a Republican lawmaker, who received a fact check from the state's largest-circulation newspaper.

made an inaccurate claim that the shortage of ICU beds in Utah hospitals was not because of the COVID-19 pandemic but partly because of bad business decisions"

https://www.rawstory.com/utah-republican-accuses-local-hospitals-of-lying-about-the-reasons-they-re-out-of-icu-beds

[SnakeBoy]

PCR tests are free, you could have known for sure.

I don't need to know for sure, wouldn't change anything.


They lied to the front desk or whatever protocol they used for not seeing these patients with symptoms?

I pretty sure most doctors are asking for vaccination record, take the temp AND ask about symptoms. Where my wife works anyways. They see them in the parking lot on a later date I believe, not inside.

No. Covid doesn't always produce a fever or respiratory symptoms. When I had it in 2020 it was just abdominal pain, fatigue, and neuro symptoms.

[pgardn]

I don't need to know for sure, wouldn't change anything.



No. Covid doesn't always produce a fever or respiratory symptoms. When I had it in 2020 it was just abdominal pain, fatigue, and neuro symptoms.

Yes this is clear. But the majority of the symptoms are the same. They ask patients do they have these symptoms (list symptoms). Your wife's work does not do this? Vaccine card, temp, list of symptoms and yes or no. If they lie when they get to the examination rooms, goodbye. More info, they ask them the day before as well for confirmation on the phone. Thats twice.

[DarrinS]

If you're absolutely petrified of covid (Whinehole), use mouthwash and clean your nose (1% betodine iodine)

[baseline bum]

If you're absolutely petrified of covid (Whinehole), use mouthwash and clean your nose (1% betodine iodine)

And use zinc, hydroxychloroquine, and ivermectin

[DarrinS]

And use zinc, hydroxychloroquine, and ivermectin


Or, don't do anything and go to the hospital when you can't breathe.

[SnakeBoy]

Yes this is clear. But the majority of the symptoms are the same. They ask patients do they have these symptoms (list symptoms). Your wife's work does not do this? Vaccine card, temp, list of symptoms and yes or no. If they lie when they get to the examination rooms, goodbye. More info, they ask them the day before as well for confirmation on the phone. Thats twice.

They treat patients. I'll pass on your recommendations tho :lol

[ElNono]

And use zinc, hydroxychloroquine, and ivermectin

Don't forget to dodge the vaccination booth and mask aisle when you go pick all of that up at CVS...

[baseline bum]

Or, don't do anything and go to the hospital when you can't breathe.

Just running down your greatest hits of miracle cures, Dr Karrin.

[Adam Lambert]

Darrin, hater and Snakeboy are apparently so emasculated by getting vaccines that they spend hours on ST cosplaying as conscientious vax objectors.

:makemyday I got one but I didn't want to. Gubmint can't make me do nuthin. :makemyday

What a weird and pathetic flex.

[Adam Lambert]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0120/0692/products/kiss-cut-stickers-5.5x5.5-default-61158d48debef_grande.jpg?v=1628802380

Posted by someone who's supposedly in favor of vaccines and whose wife is a doctor.

Why are you so insecure?

[DarrinS]

Darrin, hater and Snakeboy are apparently so emasculated by getting vaccines that they spend hours on ST cosplaying as conscientious vax objectors.

:makemyday I got one but I didn't want to. Gubmint can't make me do nuthin. :makemyday

What a weird and pathetic flex.


I got my whole family vaccinated asap.

I think every eligible person should get vaccinated, but I don't think they should be forced.

Have I made my position clear?

[Isitjustme?]

I got my whole family vaccinated asap.

I think every eligible person should get vaccinated, but I don't think they should be forced.

Have I made my position clear?

Yeah, we get it...you are 100% for the vaccine. And will run cover for trumpers who have all kinds of retarded theories about the vaccine and refuse to get it even though you believe in it

[pgardn]

They treat patients. I'll pass on your recommendations tho :lol

They are not mine.
These doctors do not treat infected patients in enclosed spaces around other patients coming in many of whom are very vulnerable specifically because, they usually have pre existing conditions as they are at, now imagine this, AT the doctors office.
And yes some doctors are very cognizant of not spreading a virus to their family and other vulnerable patients in an enclosed waiting room(s). Thats to be laughed at by some doctors I guess. Seems like treating and infecting go hand in hand in some offices, thats comforting. Private practices do not want to handle Covid patients in their house. Amazing stuff, eh snake? Preventative Public Health rears its ugly head yet again for you.

[Adam Lambert]

I got my whole family vaccinated asap.

I think every eligible person should get vaccinated, but I don't think they should be forced.

Have I made my position clear?

No you haven't, that's my point.

You spend all your time arguing on behalf of those who oppose this position. Because fuck the libs, right?

[hater]

Darrin, hater and Snakeboy

:lmao The Obsession :lol

[DarrinS]

No you haven't, that's my point.

You spend all your time arguing on behalf of those who oppose this position. Because fuck the libs, right?

I think every eligible person should get vaccinated, but I don't think they should be forced.

[Ef-man]

We are up to 1 in 500 needless deaths of US residents from ignorance, with no signs of stopping.

[hater]

We are up to 1 in 500 needless deaths of US residents from ignorance, with no signs of stopping.

That means Biden has murdered 1 in 1200 americans :wow

[Ef-man]

That means Biden has murdered 1 in 1200 americans :wow

Does not compare to the Butcher of Mar a Lago trump who mass murdered 1 in 800 US citizens :wow

[CNN]

Let's talk about Trump though. Trump is continuing his lies and getting away with it.

[hater]

Does not compare to the Butcher of Mar a Lago trump who mass murdered 1 in 800 US citizens :wow

Pretty comparable qnd it will onlynget closer :wow

[DMC]

Pretty comparable qnd it will onlynget closer :wow

He'll ignore it. The deaths stopped mattering after January.

[SnakeBoy]

1438549030494212097

Today's libs smh

[DMC]

1438549030494212097

Today's libs smh

Imagine this happening to a black family.

[koriwhat]

Imagine this happening to a black family.

:lmao :lol :tu

[Winehole23]

Crisis standards of care declared statewide in Idaho.

1438517114445254664

[koriwhat]

Crisis standards of care declared statewide in Idaho.

Because they're low on staff... That's been the case from the get go because of furloughs, retirees, now forced vaxxed, and more.

[Winehole23]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/covid-deaths-natl-10.png

[Ef-man]

Pretty comparable qnd it will onlynget closer :wow

'Like a miracle, it will disappear‘ - trump and #stillwithhims

[Thread]

Crisis standards of care declared statewide in Idaho.

1438517114445254664

Counts for mother fucker Biden, Winester.

Let us proceed...

[Thread]

'Like a miracle, it will disappear‘ - trump and #stillwithhims

- "I have a plan."

- mother fucker Biden.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

cleanse the rural area of magas, cleeeaaanse

[Thread]

Imagine this happening to a black family.

CNN & that cocksucker in the White House salivate at the specter.

[Thread]

cleanse the rural area of magas, cleeeaaanse

+ whatever spillage into the urban hubs:::more power to 'em, LB.

tee, hee.

[Ef-man]

cleanse the rural area of magas, cleeeaaanse

Great plan!

:tu

And here are the facts - unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to die of COVID-19, CDC studies show.

Won’t be long at this rate.

[Thread]

Great plan!

:tu

How bout my addendum to include the urban hubs, Effy?:tu?

tee, hee.

[baseline bum]

1438549030494212097

Today's libs smh

:tu

[baseline bum]

Crisis standards of care declared statewide in Idaho.

1438517114445254664

Too bad they won't move unvaccinated to the end of the line. People who acted responsibly by being vaccinated should be at the front of the line for life-saving treatment since they have actually demonstrated they care about their lives.

[ElNono]

1438549030494212097

Today's libs smh

:tu

[DarrinS]

Too bad they won't move unvaccinated to the end of the line. People who acted responsibly by being vaccinated should be at the front of the line for life-saving treatment since they have actually demonstrated they care about their lives.

Move the fatties to the end of the line. People who acted responsibly by being fit should be at the front of the line for life-saving treatment since they have actually demonstrated they care about their lives.

[SnakeBoy]

:tu

:tu

Gotta protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated amirite?

[ChumpDumper]

Gotta protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated amirite?

More a punishment.:tu

[hater]

- "I have a plan."

- mother fucker Biden.

:lol

[DarrinS]

Gotta protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated amirite?

"We are going to protect the vaccinated workers from unvaccinated coworkers."

Worst messaging ever. That, and pushing for boosters.

[Adam Lambert]

Move the fatties to the end of the line. People who acted responsibly by being fit should be at the front of the line for life-saving treatment since they have actually demonstrated they care about their lives.

If diabetes was an epidemic clogging up our ERs I might agree with this.

As it stands, in order to go from "fat" to "not fat," you'd have to completely change your lifestyle and diet for months. In order to go from "unvaccinated" to "vaccinated," all you have to do is get a free shot. But you know this because you said everyone should do it.

[hater]

Gotta protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated amirite?

:lol

Todays vaxtardd

[DarrinS]

If diabetes was an epidemic clogging up our ERs I might agree with this.

As it stands, in order to go from "fat" to "not fat," you'd have to completely change your lifestyle and diet for months. In order to go from "unvaccinated" to "vaccinated," all you have to do is get a free shot. But you know this because you said everyone should do it.

My point was that doctors don't refuse care to people who made poor health choices.

[Adam Lambert]

"We are going to protect the vaccinated workers from unvaccinated coworkers."

Worst messaging ever. That, and pushing for boosters.

What's wrong with it?

If you're unvaccinated you're 2x more likely to be symptomatic if you catch COVID.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00460-6/fulltext

Symptomatic people are more likely to spread COVID.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/08/210826170205.htm

And as we all know, vaccinated people can still catch COVID, even though they're far less likely to. But why roll the dice to appease careless people who are too pussy to get a shot?

[SnakeBoy]

More a punishment.:tu

You still eating your whataburgers in the parking lot?

[pgardn]

My point was that doctors don't refuse care to people who made poor health choices.

Yes they do.

They refuse Covid patients at private practices. They need to get to the ER or the hospital.
PUBLIC health. They refuse unvaccinated patients to be mixed with vaccinated in their waiting rooms. They refuse to let unmasked patients sit in their waiting rooms.

Public health involves the protection of more than just the individual.
You still dont get this.

[DarrinS]

Yes they do.

They refuse Covid patients at private practices. They need to get to the ER or the hospital.
PUBLIC health. They refuse unvaccinated patients to be mixed with vaccinated in their waiting rooms. They refuse to let unmasked patients sit in their waiting rooms.

Public health involves the protection of more than just the individual.
You still dont get this.


You missed my point entirely.

[pgardn]

You missed my point entirely.

Your point was that people can get fat from other people. That getting fat is somehow an infectious disease.
So you were completely off point.

[DarrinS]

Your point was that people can get fat from other people. That getting fat is somehow an infectious disease.
So you were completely off point.

Keep trying

[pgardn]

Keep trying


Dont play this slippery slope thing with an INFECTIOUS disease where the behavior of citizens living together affects each other using fat people. Being fat is not an infectious disease caused by a virus you can give to others.
You keep trying and I will keep telling you... you have never understood this. And its a mystery. I refuse to believe you are this dull.

[boutons_deux]

Israelis say a third shot multiplies immunity by a factor of 10, peer-reviewed report

[baseline bum]

Gotta protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated amirite?

Snakes playing defense for COVID at all turns

[DarrinS]

Dont play this slippery slope thing with an INFECTIOUS disease where the behavior of citizens living together affects each other using fat people. Being fat is not an infectious disease caused by a virus you can give to others.
You keep trying and I will keep telling you... you have never understood this. And its a mystery. I refuse to believe you are this dull.

"My point was that doctors don't refuse care to people who made poor health choices."

Show me where I said obesity is an infectious disease. You keep saying that.


I'll make it simpler. A person comes to the hospital for influenza. Are they turned away, if they didn't get a flu shot?

[baseline bum]

My point was that doctors don't refuse care to people who made poor health choices.

Dummy I'm not saying refuse care when they have room for the antivaxxtards. They have to refuse care to someone when beds are full. Vaccination status should be the first thing considered in triage protocols except for edge cases where someone is unable to be safely vaccinated.

[SnakeBoy]

Snakes playing defense for COVID at all turns

It's your boy Biden saying the vaccinated aren't protected.

[baseline bum]

It's your boy Biden saying the vaccinated aren't protected.

I'm not going on the Giuseppe Rodeo with you Snakes just because you think the pandemic is funny shit.

[DarrinS]

Dummy I'm not saying refuse care when they have room for the antivaxxtards. They have to refuse care to someone when beds are full. Vaccination status should be the first thing considered in triage protocols except for edge cases where someone is unable to be safely vaccinated.

No. Triage protocols are based on odds of survival.

You would give ICU bed to vaxxed 85 y.o. over unvaxxed 45 y.o.? GTFO

[baseline bum]

No. Triage protocols are based on odds of survival.

You would give ICU bed to vaxxed 85 y.o. over unvaxxed 45 y.o.? GTFO

Of course I would give one to a vaxxed 85 year old over some shitbag antivaxxer 45 year old. Antivaxxer made his bed, he can lay in it.

[Adam Lambert]

No. Triage protocols are based on odds of survival.

You would give ICU bed to vaxxed 85 y.o. over unvaxxed 45 y.o.? GTFO

Without hesitation.

[Ef-man]

Of course I would give one to a vaxxed 85 year old over some shitbag antivaxxer 45 year old. Antivaxxer made his bed, he can lay in it.

Plus, that 45yo should be praying more as that science stuff is all fake.

[baseline bum]

Without hesitation.

Shitbag antivaxxers are the reason hospitals are being overwhelmed all over this nation, vaccinated people shouldn't be punished for the antivaxxers being shitheads.

[DarrinS]

Without hesitation.

Good thing you don't make these decisions

[baseline bum]

Good thing you don't make these decisions

Why? The antivaxxers are the reason the hospitals are in such a fucked up state right now.

[hater]

Snakes playing defense for COVID at all turns

Were all getting Delta Nancy

No escaping

[SnakeBoy]

Of course I would give one to a vaxxed 85 year old over some shitbag antivaxxer 45 year old. Antivaxxer made his bed, he can lay in it.

People should suffer the consequences of their own poor decisions

Todays libs smh

[hater]

Why? The antivaxxers are the reason the hospitals are in such a fucked up state right now.

Why cry aboug it? It is what it is ma nig

[ChumpDumper]

You still eating your whataburgers in the parking lot?Never eat in the parking lot.

Did you finally start washing your hands?

[SnakeBoy]

I'm not going on the Giuseppe Rodeo with you Snakes just because you think the pandemic is funny shit.

Not true. I think your boy Biden's complete incompetence is funny tho.

Still you Biden bros need to face the reality of what this virus is. Someday maybe.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Darrin likes people getting the Delta variant.

[baseline bum]

Were all getting Delta Nancy

No escaping

That's true, but the antivaxxers are being hospitalized at far higher rates. Wouldn't be running out of beds right now if people were being admitted at the rate the vaccinated are.

[baseline bum]

Not true. I think your boy Biden's complete incompetence is funny tho.

Still you Biden bros need to face the reality of what this virus is. Someday maybe.

The reality that the unvaccinated are overwhelming our hospitals.

[Adam Lambert]

Good thing you don't make these decisions

Debatable. I know I wouldn't have been calling it the sniffles a year ago when making those decisions though.

[SnakeBoy]

The reality that the unvaccinated are overwhelming our hospitals.

Your boy Biden had the opportunity to avoid that. Now it's too late. For no reason the senile old man decided 100 days to stop the virus and 100 days later he went to the podium and said it's over take your masks off. Biden bros celebrated promises made promises kept. Now he's making it worse telling people to get vaccinated while also telling them the vaccines don't work.

I didn't think he could screw it up this bad tbh

Hater called it tho

[ChumpDumper]

:lol det narrative

[baseline bum]

:lol det narrative

Anything to carry water for the antivaxx Republiqan party

[hater]

That's true, but the antivaxxers are being hospitalized at far higher rates. Wouldn't be running out of beds right now if people were being admitted at the rate the vaccinated are.

There will ALWAYS BE about 30% of population that will be unvaxed. Because this is endemic and will keep mutating.

Just time to face reality.

Also look at even Japan 30% of Japanese wont take the shot either and some are even calling in death threats to any leader ttying to mandate it.

Ship has sailed. Covid is here to stay.

[Adam Lambert]

Anything to carry water for the antivaxx Republiqan party

Snakeboi's entire schtick here is the stuff he wants to argue with his wife about when she gets home from a long day of saving people's lives. He knows she won't be having any of it (and he doesn't want to risk losing the gravy train) so he brings that bullshit here. I guess it's cathartic.

[Adam Lambert]

There will ALWAYS BE about 30% of population that will be unvaxed. Because this is endemic and will keep mutating.

Just time to face reality.

Also look at even Japan 30% of Japanese wont take the shot either and some are even calling in death threats to any leader ttying to mandate it.

Ship has sailed. Covid is here to stay.

None of this has anything to do with hospital beds.

[baseline bum]

There will ALWAYS BE about 30% of population that will be unvaxed. Because this is endemic and will keep mutating.

Just time to face reality.

Also look at even Japan 30% of Japanese wont take the shot either and some are even calling in death threats to any leader ttying to mandate it.

Ship has sailed. Covid is here to stay.

If employers start mandating it that alleged 30% you say exists in Japan will take it too.

[hater]

None of this has anything to do with hospital beds.

Wait ppl actually think hospitals will somehow go back to normal if 100% humans are vaxxed????


:lmao

Its endemic. There will.ALWAYS be Covid sick

[baseline bum]

Snakeboi's entire schtick here is the stuff he wants to argue with his wife about when she gets home from a long day of saving people's lives. He knows she won't be having any of it (and he doesn't want to risk losing the gravy train) so he brings that bullshit here. I guess it's cathartic.

:lol

[baseline bum]

Wait ppl actually think hospitals will somehow go back to normal if 100% humans are vaxxed????


:lmao

Its endemic. There will.ALWAYS be Covid sick

They're overflowing because of the unvaccinated right now. How is that even debateable when ~85% of hospitalized COVID patients right now are unvaccinated?

[ChumpDumper]

Wait ppl actually think hospitals will somehow go back to normal if 100% humans are vaxxed????


:lmao

Its endemic. There will.ALWAYS be Covid sick:lmao ST vaxxed antivaxxers always have to lie

[Adam Lambert]

Wait ppl actually think hospitals will somehow go back to normal if 100% humans are vaxxed????


:lmao

Its endemic. There will.ALWAYS be Covid sick

No one's talking about ridding the hospitals of covid patients, idiot. But yes, if 100% of the population was vaccinated, there would be fewer surges on hospitals because it would spread more slowly.

[SnakeBoy]

Anything to carry water for the antivaxx Republiqan party

Can't even acknowledge old Joe's obvious screw ups but talks about carrying water

Todays Bernie bros smh

[diego]

And it has a spill on effect, an ICU team that has to "crunch" or whatever the term is for extended periods, starts to burn out. Now you have beds and respirators but no team to service them...

Hater is right that there will always be antivax holdouts, 30% is still high though imo.. also right that it's never going to fully disappear, at least any time soon, but there's a big difference between having 1% positivity and prepared ICU teams, vs having 15+ and being on the brink of collapse for extended periods- even if you never collapse it's a major stress that will have long term costs

[hater]

No one's talking about ridding the hospitals of covid patients, idiot. But yes, if 100% of the population was vaccinated, there would be fewer surges on hospitals because it would spread more slowly.

Smaller surges? Maybe but how much smaller? Its debatable. Look at Israel. 85% vaxed and still filling up hospitals. How much will the extra 15% help? Nobody knows.

Is it worth turning us into a full gestapo world?? I dont think so.

Time to fqce the music. There will ALWAYS be waves. Always some unvaxed (waning immunity etc). We will ALWAYS be playing catchup with Covid.

[Winehole23]

No one's talking about ridding the hospitals of covid patients, idiot. But yes, if 100% of the population was vaccinated, there would be fewer surges on hospitals because it would spread more slowly.insisting on reaching a puportedly inevitable endpoint (endemic disease and widespread natural immunity) as quickly as possible conveniently skips over how things unfold in time. uncontrolled pandemics tend to wreck commerce, healthcare and society.

[DarrinS]

Hospitalized dropped below 1000 in SA. Positive test rate continues to drop, even with schools open.

We're at 70% vaccinated in SA.

[Adam Lambert]

Smaller surges? Maybe but how much smaller? Its debatable. Look at Israel. 85% vaxed and still filling up hospitals. How much will the extra 15% help? Nobody knows.

Hospitalizations per 100,000 unvaxxed people is 431.
Hospitalizations per 100,000 vaccinated people is 25.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated

The difference is 406 per 100K people.

15% of the adult population is 38 million people.

So vaccinating an additional 15% of the population likely results in 154K fewer hospitalizations (give or take depending on the risk level and age of who's getting the vaccine)

That 154K number accounts for almost 20% of staffed acute care beds in the country (534K). So yeah, it would make a huge fucking difference.

https://www.sccm.org/Blog/March-2020/United-States-Resource-Availability-for-COVID-19


Is it worth turning us into a full gestapo world?? I dont think so.

Paging Darrin, we have a hyperbole violation!


Time to fqce the music. There will ALWAYS be waves. Always some unvaxed (waning immunity etc). We will ALWAYS be playing catchup with Covid.

And I know you're excited about that but in the meantime we can control the surges by getting our free and easy vaccines.

[Winehole23]

Hospitalized dropped below 1000 in SA. Positive test rate continues to drop, even with schools open.

We're at 70% vaccinated in SA.Idaho declared crisis standard of care statewide. Hawaii, OK, Utah and Washington state are all suitably close to statewide rationing of healthcare to have warned the public about the possibility. Those are just the states I happen to have read about, there may be others. Alabama, Mississppi and Tennessee aren't doing so great right now.

[hater]

Hospitalizations per 100,000 unvaxxed people is 431.
Hospitalizations per 100,000 vaccinated people is 25.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-hospital-cases-rates-unvaccinated

The difference is 406 per 100K people.

15% of the adult population is 38 million people.

So vaccinating an additional 15% of the population likely results in 154K fewer hospitalizations (give or take depending on the risk level and age of who's getting the vaccine)

That 154K number accounts for almost 20% of staffed acute care beds in the country (534K). So yeah, it would make a huge fucking difference.

https://www.sccm.org/Blog/March-2020/United-States-Resource-Availability-for-COVID-19



Paging Darrin, we have a hyperbole violation!



And I know you're excited about that but in the meantime we can control the surges by getting our free and easy vaccines.

Its not even winter yet and waning immunity ma brotha

I expect to see Israel type #s where its 65 unvaxed vs 35 vaxed.




Winter is coming. And no matter how much yall bitch and moan. It will.come.

[DMC]

I think eventually everyone here will die.

[baseline bum]

Hospitalized dropped below 1000 in SA. Positive test rate continues to drop, even with schools open.

We're at 70% vaccinated in SA.

Positivity rate was dropping fast for 3-4 weeks, now that slowed a lot (from 7.6 two weeks ago to 7.1 last week). Hoping that's not a portent for an increase as restaurants and shit look way more full these last couple of weeks than they did the couple of weeks before when our positivity rate was really high.

[baseline bum]

Hospitalized dropped below 1000 in SA. Positive test rate continues to drop, even with schools open.

We're at 70% vaccinated in SA.

Positivity rate was dropping fast for 3-4 weeks, now that slowed a lot (from 7.6 two weeks ago to 7.1 last week). Hoping that's not a portent for an increase as restaurants and shit look way more full these last couple of weeks than they did the couple of weeks before when our positivity rate was really high.

[baseline bum]

Can't even acknowledge old Joe's obvious screw ups but talks about carrying water

Todays Bernie bros smh

LOL Trump semen shielder throwing stones

[baseline bum]

Idaho declared crisis standard of care statewide. Hawaii, OK, Utah and Washington state are all suitably close to statewide rationing of healthcare to have warned the public about the possibility. Those are just the states I happen to have read about, there may be others. Alabama, Mississppi and Tennessee aren't doing so great right now.

Louisiana too right?

[baseline bum]

And it has a spill on effect, an ICU team that has to "crunch" or whatever the term is for extended periods, starts to burn out. Now you have beds and respirators but no team to service them...

Hater is right that there will always be antivax holdouts, 30% is still high though imo.. also right that it's never going to fully disappear, at least any time soon, but there's a big difference between having 1% positivity and prepared ICU teams, vs having 15+ and being on the brink of collapse for extended periods- even if you never collapse it's a major stress that will have long term costs

The antivaxxers are special snowflakes who want all the benefits of living in a society with none of the responsibilities. None of them give a shit about healthcare workers being pushed to the brink. I can't imagine how much they'd flip out hearing Kennedy say 'Ask what you can do for your country' in 2021 when they won't even put on a fucking cloth mask in the store or get free vaccinations to potentially save their lives while taking a lot of strain off our healthcare system, because they're attention starved children who want to be heard god damnit and what's important is their feelings.

[Thread]

"My point was that doctors don't refuse care to people who made poor health choices."

Show me where I said obesity is an infectious disease. You keep saying that.


I'll make it simpler. A person comes to the hospital for influenza. Are they turned away, if they didn't get a flu shot?

Of course not. Just another aside from MSM/CNN to goose the unshot to get shot.

[Thread]

The antivaxxers are special snowflakes who want all the benefits of living in a society with none of the responsibilities. None of them give a shit about healthcare workers being pushed to the brink. I can't imagine how much they'd flip out hearing Kennedy say 'Ask what you can do for your country' in 2021 when they won't even put on a fucking cloth mask in the store or get free vaccinations to potentially save their lives while taking a lot of strain off our healthcare system, because they're attention starved children who want to be heard god damnit and what's important is their feelings.

You taught us that exact tact,,,immediately after:::

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

You can dish it, but you have nary inclination to take it. Well, Buster Brown you're gonna take it.

Where's that cocksucker's (plan), bum? Liar, liar, his pants? Well, they be all on fire.

[Thread]

Idaho declared crisis standard of care statewide. Hawaii, OK, Utah and Washington state are all suitably close to statewide rationing of healthcare to have warned the public about the possibility. Those are just the states I happen to have read about, there may be others. Alabama, Mississppi and Tennessee aren't doing so great right now.

tee, hee.

[Thread]

Louisiana too right?

Yes, "suitably close" fart face.

[DarrinS]

The antivaxxers are special snowflakes who want all the benefits of living in a society with none of the responsibilities. None of them give a shit about healthcare workers being pushed to the brink. I can't imagine how much they'd flip out hearing Kennedy say 'Ask what you can do for your country' in 2021 when they won't even put on a fucking cloth mask in the store or get free vaccinations to potentially save their lives while taking a lot of strain off our healthcare system, because they're attention starved children who want to be heard god damnit and what's important is their feelings.

Those cloth masks are pretty terrible, tbh.

[Winehole23]

Louisiana too right?Louisiana seems to have stepped back from the precipice, new cases have dropped by about half from last months peak. Hospitalizations have gone down by a similar proportion.

[Winehole23]

150,000 new cases and 1,500 deaths a day is just background noise in 2021`

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_cyOn7WEAATUXX?format=jpg&name=small

[Ef-man]

:lmao ST vaxxed antivaxxers always have to lie

And poster B never disappoints with his fortune cookie comments. :lmao

[DarrinS]

150,000 new cases and 1,500 deaths a day is just background noise in 2021`

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_cyOn7WEAATUXX?format=jpg&name=small

Biden's America

Nice job rounding down those deaths. Closer to 2K per day.

[Ef-man]

Biden's America

Nice job rounding down those deaths. Closer to 2K per day.

Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely than vaccinated people to die from Covid-19, per CDC.

Makes for great Darwin Award winners. :tu

[SnakeBoy]

The antivaxxers are special snowflakes who want all the benefits of living in a society with none of the responsibilities. None of them give a shit about healthcare workers being pushed to the brink. I can't imagine how much they'd flip out hearing Kennedy say 'Ask what you can do for your country' in 2021 when they won't even put on a fucking cloth mask in the store or get free vaccinations to potentially save their lives while taking a lot of strain off our healthcare system, because they're attention starved children who want to be heard god damnit and what's important is their feelings.

That's not the Kennedy that matters

https://yonkerstimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/rfk-1024x580.jpg

[SnakeBoy]

150,000 new cases and 1,500 deaths a day is just background noise in 2021`

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_cyOn7WEAATUXX?format=jpg&name=small

It's the slow time of the year

[Winehole23]

it's mortuary trailer season in Montana


St. Peter's Health leadership announced Thursday the hospital is transitioning to crisis standards of care as both its intensive care unit and advanced medical unit are full with the onslaught of new COVID-19 patients.



"We are now seeing volume and resource constraints that require St. Peter's to shift to crisis standards of care, a situation that we don't take lightly in health care," St. Peter's Health Chief Medical Officer and President of the Regional Medical Center Dr. Shelly Harkins said during a press conference. "For the first time in my career, we are at the point where not every patient in need will get the care that we might wish we could give."

With that, Harkins said "true emergencies" will always receive priority and cautioned people not to put off necessary hospital visits.


Hospitals across the country, including Helena's, are in a "far worse position than we ever were," Harkins said, citing the delta variant, which is much more transmissible and results in more severe illness.


"This surge is different," she said. "We are having to tell patients 'you aren't going to get what you need.'"

Operating within the crisis care model, medical personnel have been given permission to make decisions on moving scarce hospital resources to patients with a higher likelihood of survival.

https://helenair.com/news/local/st-peters-moves-to-crisis-care-as-critical-care-units-morgue-reach-capacity/article_de98c358-bc1f-5a91-92b9-b4abcb4bce77.html

[Winehole23]

The hospital has formally requested relief from the National Guard, but Harkins said she is doubtful that help will come as the National Guard is also stretched thin.

[baseline bum]

Those cloth masks are pretty terrible, tbh.

I should have said fabric instead of cloth.

[Winehole23]

Biden's America

Closer to 2K per day.mistyped, my bad.

[Winehole23]

Biden's Americawhat you think Biden should have done differently?

[DarrinS]

Immunity is the only way through it, one way or the other.

Given that our country is so unhealthy, there's going to be a high death toll.

[DarrinS]

what you think Biden should have done differently?

I was just being an asshole. Delta caught us right as things were looking good.

[pgardn]

"My point was that doctors don't refuse care to people who made poor health choices."

Show me where I said obesity is an infectious disease. You keep saying that.


I'll make it simpler. A person comes to the hospital for influenza. Are they turned away, if they didn't get a flu shot?

And my point is, yes they do if their choice is to come in for influenza without a mask during a Covid outbreak. Doctors ARE NOT confined to hospitals, they have private practices. Do you understand? A poor health choice is not wearing a mask. And the choice to not wear a mask goes BEYOND that individual. This is an infectious disease. And yes, doctors in private practice would rather know individuals that have influenza not come sit in their waiting room with other people who are very likely to be immunocompromised because of age and or general health. People who are on chemotherapy have to be very careful where they go before COVID came around.
Welcome to what a really infectious disease has taught people. PUBLIC HEALTLH is important.

[Winehole23]

Immunity is the only way through it, one way or the other.One way is preferable to the other because it protects robustly against the worst outcomes.

Let 'er rip wrecks the economy, education, health care and people. It's reckless.

[Trainwreck2100]

what you think Biden should have done differently?

when he was asked "why do vaccinated folks have to wear masks" The answer was "because you idiotic antivaxxers would lie about being vaccinated to not wear masks, get sick, and send us back to the stone age"

[DarrinS]

One way is preferable to the other because it protects robustly against the worst outcomes.

Let 'er rip wrecks the economy, education, health care and people. It's reckless.

It already ripped.

[DarrinS]

when he was asked "why do vaccinated folks have to wear masks" The answer was "because you idiotic antivaxxers would lie about being vaccinated to not wear masks, get sick, and send us back to the stone age"

They told everyone to put masks back on. Makes people think the vaccines are shite.

So does suggesting boosters.

[Trainwreck2100]

They told everyone to put masks back on. Makes people think the vaccines are shite.

So does suggesting boosters.

if the vaccine is shite why are unvaccinated people dying at a higher clip?

[SnakeBoy]

One way is preferable to the other because it protects robustly against the worst outcomes.

Let 'er rip wrecks the economy, education, health care and people. It's reckless.

Have you not been following the case numbers? Biden is letting 'er rip


what you think Biden should have done differently?

Is there anything you think Biden could have done differently?

[DarrinS]

if the vaccine is shite why are unvaccinated people dying at a higher clip?

I didn't say they were shite. I said, because of poor messaging, the perception was that they were shite.

[ElNono]

Gotta protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated amirite?

Stupidity can be contagious and there's no vaccine...

[SnakeBoy]

if the vaccine is shite why are unvaccinated people dying at a higher clip?

The vaccines are very effective at preventing or reducing disease. They were never going to prevent infection because vaccines don't do that. That's the science.

We’re Asking the Impossible of Vaccines
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/

The Biden message started with get the vaccine and you won't get the virus (false) and has now changed to the unvaxxed are the only ones spreading the virus (false) and the vaccines don't work everybody needs a booster (false)

[hater]

Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely than vaccinated people to die from Covid-19, per CDC.



And Biden killed them. Per reality

[hater]

The vaccines are very effective at preventing or reducing disease. They were never going to prevent infection because vaccines don't do that. That's the science.

We’re Asking the Impossible of Vaccines
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/

The Biden message started with get the vaccine and you won't get the virus (false) and has now changed to the unvaxxed are the only ones spreading the virus (false) and the vaccines don't work everybody needs a booster (false)

Id add "all kids need fhe vax because otherwise they will die en masse (false)"

[SnakeBoy]

Id add "all kids need fhe vax because otherwise they will die en masse (false)"

That is another one for sure. Fuckers are masking 2 year olds smh.

[Winehole23]

It already ripped.not in California, some reason, Fresno notwithstanding

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[Ef-man]

And Biden killed them. Per reality

Per reality, trump told them to commit suicide. Most of unvaccinated are republicans.

They, like you, are #stillwithhim unto death.

[DarrinS]

not in California, some reason, Fresno notwithstanding

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Already ripped

[Nathan89]

150,000 new cases and 1,500 deaths a day is just background noise in 2021`

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_cyOn7WEAATUXX?format=jpg&name=small

Are the networks still showing the death counts on the side of the screen?

[Nathan89]

I was just being an asshole. Delta caught us right as things were looking good.

They don't care about the details. If you are president then you are responsible. That's the standard.

[Winehole23]

Are the networks still showing the death counts on the side of the screen?Sometime during the next week we'll probably surpass the death tally from the 1918 pandemic, which lasted three years

[Winehole23]

They don't care about the details. If you are president then you are responsible. That's the standard.sorry for your loss

[Nathan89]

Per reality, trump told them to commit suicide. Most of unvaccinated are republicans.

They, like you, are #stillwithhim unto death.

Anyone that paints Republicans that openly support the vaccine as being against the vaccine really doesn't care about people getting a vaccine.

[Winehole23]

Already rippedif by ripped you simply mean uncontrolled community transmission, we've had that for a year and a half.

what do you mean?

[hater]

That is another one for sure. Fuckers are masking 2 year olds smh.

So many lies.

If they told the truth from getgo peobably wed have lots more vaxed tbqh

[hater]

Per reality, trump told them to commit suicide. Most of unvaccinated are republicans.

They, like you, are #stillwithhim unto death.

Fake news

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-profile-of-the-unvaccinated/


49% of unvaxed are Repugs



:lmao dumb ass :lol

[hater]

Are the networks still showing the death counts on the side of the screen?

of course not.

Biden president. Not Trump. :lol

[Thread]

They don't care about the details. If you are president then you are responsible. That's the standard.

...Amen.

That cocksucker Biden is responsible, that mother fucker.

[Thread]

Are the networks still showing the death counts on the side of the screen?

No, not since the early days of mother fucker Biden's insurrection, that cocksucker.

[Thread]

not in California, some reason, Fresno notwithstanding

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California leads the country in COVID deaths...68,000 & counting, son.

[ElNono]

California leads the country in COVID deaths...68,000 & counting, son.

Not as a percentage of their population, son

[boutons_deux]

Biden-bashing restaurant owner blames government for his business closing --

even though he took $460K in COVID relief


https://www.rawstory.com/paycheck-protection-program-restaurant

[boutons_deux]

Here’s what you need to know:



Idaho allows overwhelmed hospitals across the state to ration care if necessary.
(https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/16/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20210916&instance_id=40575&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=80821797&segment_id=69115&te=1&user_id=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031#idaho-covid-hospitalizations)

At U.S. nursing homes, aides were the least likely workers to be vaccinated, a study shows.
(https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/16/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20210916&instance_id=40575&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=80821797&segment_id=69115&te=1&user_id=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031#nurses-aides-vaccination-rate)



Italy extends its health-pass requirement to cover most workers, public and private.
(https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/16/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20210916&instance_id=40575&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=80821797&segment_id=69115&te=1&user_id=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031#italy-extends-its-health-pass-requirement-to-cover-most-workers-public-and-private)



The Seattle area will require Covid vaccinations or negative tests for most indoor activities.
(https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/16/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20210916&instance_id=40575&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=80821797&segment_id=69115&te=1&user_id=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031#the-seattle-area-will-require-covid-vaccinations-or-negative-tests-for-most-indoor-activities)



African public health experts call for the U.N. General Assembly to speed the delivery of vaccines.
(https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/16/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20210916&instance_id=40575&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=80821797&segment_id=69115&te=1&user_id=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031#coronavir us-vaccine-africa)



China says it has fully vaccinated 1 billion people.
(https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/16/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20210916&instance_id=40575&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=80821797&segment_id=69115&te=1&user_id=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031#china-covid-vaccine)



Amid conflicting science on boosters, Biden’s plan for extra shots is in flux.
(https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/16/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20210916&instance_id=40575&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=80821797&segment_id=69115&te=1&user_id=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031#amid-conflicting-science-on-boosters-bidens-plan-for-extra-shots-is-in-flux)



Vaccination problems may vex the U.N. General Assembly gathering.
(https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/16/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20210916&instance_id=40575&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=80821797&segment_id=69115&te=1&user_id=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031#vaccinati on-problems-may-vex-the-un-general-assembly-gathering)





https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/16/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

[boutons_deux]

A Boy Went to a COVID-Swamped ER. He Waited for Hours. Then His Appendix Burst.

Non-COVID patients are paying a price as the delta variant and low-vaccination rates overwhelm hospitals across the country.

“Wait times can now be measured in days,”

Osborn said his wife asked why it was taking so long to be seen. A nurse rolled her eyes and muttered, “COVID.”

But by the time the doctor operated in the early morning hours, Seth’s appendix had burst — a potentially fatal complication.

As the nation’s hospitals fill and emergency rooms overflow with critically ill COVID-19 patients, it is the non-COVID-19 patients, like Seth, who have become collateral damage.

Some health officials now worry about looming ethical decisions.

Last week, Idaho activated (https://apnews.com/article/business-health-public-health-coronavirus-pandemic-idaho-db21f9a14254996144e78aafb1518259) a “crisis standard of care,” which one official described as a “last resort.”

It allows overwhelmed hospitals to ration care, including “in rare cases, ventilator (breathing machines) or intensive care unit (ICU) beds may need to be used for those who are most likely to survive,

while patients who are not likely to survive may not be able to receive one,”

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-boy-went-to-a-covid-swamped-er-he-waited-for-hours-then-his-appendix-burst

Thanks Capitalists, Repugs, rightwing hate media

[Ef-man]

Anyone that paints Republicans that openly support the vaccine as being against the vaccine really doesn't care about people getting a vaccine.

Republicans are biggest unvaccinated group in US and party leadership is responsible.



MAGAtards are more likely to not be vaccinated than blacks!

Republicans are still a bigger obstacle to vaccination than Black Americans

Consider new polling from the Pew Research Center. It tracked vaccine uptake over the course of the year, finding that Democrats and Asian Americans are the groups most likely to say they have received a dose of the vaccine. Black Americans are the racial group least likely to say so, though that figure is about equal to the percentage of Whites who say they’ve received a dose. It is also higher than three groups that are largely Republican: Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, rural Americans and White evangelical Protestants.

Over the course of the vaccine rollout, we’ve seen that polling on vaccinations tracks with actual vaccination numbers, but it is the case that someone saying they are vaccinated is different from their actually being vaccinated. So we can look, once again, at the most obvious overlap of vaccination and politics: how counties voted in 2020 and how heavily vaccinated they are.

The Kaiser Family Foundation has been tracking this over time, finding on Tuesday that about 53 percent of people in counties that voted for Joe Biden in 2020 are fully vaccinated, compared with 40 percent of people in counties that voted for Donald Trump. In May, the gap between the two was only seven percentage points. Now it’s nearly twice as big.

Again looking only at the counties for which we have vaccination data, a slightly higher percentage of Black Americans than Trump voters live in the half of counties with the highest vaccination rates. But 1.9 times as many Trump voters overall live in the less vaccinated half of counties. There are about 7.4 million more Trump voters than Black residents in those least-vaccinated counties. There are a lot more Trump voters in the more heavily vaccinated counties, too, of course, but the ratio is narrower: 1.8 times as many.

None of this is a defense of those who aren’t vaccinated, whatever their race or politics. It is, instead, an effort to contextualize the continued effort by many on the right to point fingers at Black Americans as deserving of particular criticism on vaccination rates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/15/republicans-are-still-bigger-obstacle-vaccination-than-black-americans/

[Ef-man]

Fake news

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-profile-of-the-unvaccinated/


49% of unvaxed are Repugs



:lmao dumb ass :lol

Thanks for proving my point that Republicans are more likely unvaccinated than blacks.

Get your facts straight as you keep proving you are #stillwithhim! :wow



MAGAtards are more likely to not be vaccinated than blacks!

Republicans are still a bigger obstacle to vaccination than Black Americans

Consider new polling from the Pew Research Center. It tracked vaccine uptake over the course of the year, finding that Democrats and Asian Americans are the groups most likely to say they have received a dose of the vaccine. Black Americans are the racial group least likely to say so, though that figure is about equal to the percentage of Whites who say they’ve received a dose. It is also higher than three groups that are largely Republican: Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, rural Americans and White evangelical Protestants.

Over the course of the vaccine rollout, we’ve seen that polling on vaccinations tracks with actual vaccination numbers, but it is the case that someone saying they are vaccinated is different from their actually being vaccinated. So we can look, once again, at the most obvious overlap of vaccination and politics: how counties voted in 2020 and how heavily vaccinated they are.

The Kaiser Family Foundation has been tracking this over time, finding on Tuesday that about 53 percent of people in counties that voted for Joe Biden in 2020 are fully vaccinated, compared with 40 percent of people in counties that voted for Donald Trump. In May, the gap between the two was only seven percentage points. Now it’s nearly twice as big.

Again looking only at the counties for which we have vaccination data, a slightly higher percentage of Black Americans than Trump voters live in the half of counties with the highest vaccination rates. But 1.9 times as many Trump voters overall live in the less vaccinated half of counties. There are about 7.4 million more Trump voters than Black residents in those least-vaccinated counties. There are a lot more Trump voters in the more heavily vaccinated counties, too, of course, but the ratio is narrower: 1.8 times as many.

None of this is a defense of those who aren’t vaccinated, whatever their race or politics. It is, instead, an effort to contextualize the continued effort by many on the right to point fingers at Black Americans as deserving of particular criticism on vaccination rates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/15/republicans-are-still-bigger-obstacle-vaccination-than-black-americans/

[Thread]

Not as a percentage of their population, son


California leads the country in COVID deaths...68,000 & counting, son.

[Thread]

A Boy Went to a COVID-Swamped ER. He Waited for Hours. Then His Appendix Burst.

Non-COVID patients are paying a price as the delta variant and low-vaccination rates overwhelm hospitals across the country.

“Wait times can now be measured in days,”

Osborn said his wife asked why it was taking so long to be seen. A nurse rolled her eyes and muttered, “COVID.”

But by the time the doctor operated in the early morning hours, Seth’s appendix had burst — a potentially fatal complication.

As the nation’s hospitals fill and emergency rooms overflow with critically ill COVID-19 patients, it is the non-COVID-19 patients, like Seth, who have become collateral damage.

Some health officials now worry about looming ethical decisions.

Last week, Idaho activated (https://apnews.com/article/business-health-public-health-coronavirus-pandemic-idaho-db21f9a14254996144e78aafb1518259) a “crisis standard of care,” which one official described as a “last resort.”

It allows overwhelmed hospitals to ration care, including “in rare cases, ventilator (breathing machines) or intensive care unit (ICU) beds may need to be used for those who are most likely to survive,

while patients who are not likely to survive may not be able to receive one,”

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-boy-went-to-a-covid-swamped-er-he-waited-for-hours-then-his-appendix-burst

Thanks Capitalists, Repugs, rightwing hate media

Take that hospital ship outta mothballs AGAIN there in NY harbor, send it south, then west then north, then get her turned about send it south, east, then north, then get her turned around on & on. 2 people showed up last time: one with an ingrown toenail and me, with a case of poison ivy. But, launch her nonetheless. Chop/chop.

Get those MASH units set up, bouts; you know the ones that your side badgered President Trump into erecting. Nobody will come, but set 'em anyway. Chop/chop.

[Winehole23]

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[hater]

Thanks for proving my point that Republicans are more likely unvaccinated than blacks.

Get your facts straight as you keep proving you are #stillwithhim! :wow



MAGAtards are more likely to not be vaccinated than blacks!

Republicans are still a bigger obstacle to vaccination than Black Americans

Consider new polling from the Pew Research Center. It tracked vaccine uptake over the course of the year, finding that Democrats and Asian Americans are the groups most likely to say they have received a dose of the vaccine. Black Americans are the racial group least likely to say so, though that figure is about equal to the percentage of Whites who say they’ve received a dose. It is also higher than three groups that are largely Republican: Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, rural Americans and White evangelical Protestants.

Over the course of the vaccine rollout, we’ve seen that polling on vaccinations tracks with actual vaccination numbers, but it is the case that someone saying they are vaccinated is different from their actually being vaccinated. So we can look, once again, at the most obvious overlap of vaccination and politics: how counties voted in 2020 and how heavily vaccinated they are.

The Kaiser Family Foundation has been tracking this over time, finding on Tuesday that about 53 percent of people in counties that voted for Joe Biden in 2020 are fully vaccinated, compared with 40 percent of people in counties that voted for Donald Trump. In May, the gap between the two was only seven percentage points. Now it’s nearly twice as big.

Again looking only at the counties for which we have vaccination data, a slightly higher percentage of Black Americans than Trump voters live in the half of counties with the highest vaccination rates. But 1.9 times as many Trump voters overall live in the less vaccinated half of counties. There are about 7.4 million more Trump voters than Black residents in those least-vaccinated counties. There are a lot more Trump voters in the more heavily vaccinated counties, too, of course, but the ratio is narrower: 1.8 times as many.

None of this is a defense of those who aren’t vaccinated, whatever their race or politics. It is, instead, an effort to contextualize the continued effort by many on the right to point fingers at Black Americans as deserving of particular criticism on vaccination rates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/15/republicans-are-still-bigger-obstacle-vaccination-than-black-americans/

Movethegoalpost.com/imadumbass

:lol

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

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[SnakeBoy]

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antivaxxers

[SnakeBoy]

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[SnakeBoy]

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[hater]

1438948828351188994

antivaxxers

USA! USA! USA!


Glad they been reading my thread.:tu

[hater]

:lmao Falsuchi

Another epic FAIL :lmao

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1423321436257759234?s=19

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1434605502961438732?s=19

https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/1436097630929571846?s=19

:lmao

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/jimstroudshow/status/1434864992445140994?s=19

[hater]

:lol

https://twitter.com/Mikeggibbs/status/1428228924400668674?s=19

[boutons_deux]

ouch!

Doctor who told patients that

face masks cause carbon dioxide poisoning

loses his license

https://www.rawstory.com/anti-mask-doctor-suspended

[koriwhat]

Lmao Boosters for a vaccine(s) that hasn't even been out a year. Fuck their vaccine(s) and fuck all those in power pushing this poison on us all. As for those who went and got one of those vaccine(s) good luck to yall but if you're some of the few here that I truly don't give a fuck about then my "good luck" wishes are not for yall!

[Thread]

ouch!

Doctor who told patients that

face masks cause carbon dioxide poisoning

loses his license

https://www.rawstory.com/anti-mask-doctor-suspended

Doctors have been telling/warning us that for hundreds of years,,,till this year. tee, hee.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol so hater claims the vaccines are failing AND they are not failing

[ElNono]

FDA Panel Rejects Plan To Administer Pfizer's COVID-19 Booster Doses To General Public

An influential Food and Drug Administration advisory committee on Friday resoundingly rejected a plan to administer booster shots of Pfizer and BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine to the general public (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/fda-panel-begins-voting-on-pfizers-covid-booster-doses-rejecting-shots-for-general-public.html), saying they needed more data. The panel, however, could still recommend the shots for other populations. Scientists continued debating the need for a third dose of the vaccines for people 65 and older and other vulnerable populations after their initial vote. "It's likely beneficial, in my opinion, for the elderly, and may eventually be indicated for the general population. I just don't think we're there yet in terms of the data," Dr. Ofer Levy, a vaccine and infectious disease specialist at Boston Children's Hospital, said after voting against the original proposal. The final tally failed 16-2.

In a paper published days before the advisory committee meeting, a leading group of scientists said available data showed vaccine protection against severe disease persists, even as the effectiveness against mild disease wanes over time. The authors, including two high-ranking FDA officials and multiple scientists from the World Health Organization, argued Monday in the medical journal The Lancet that widely distributing booster shots to the general public is not appropriate at this time. In outlining plans last month to start distributing boosters as early as next week, administration officials cited three CDC studies that showed the vaccines' protection against Covid diminished over several months. Senior health officials said at the time they worried protection against severe disease, hospitalization and death "could" diminish in the months ahead, especially among those who are at higher risk or were vaccinated during the earlier phases of the vaccination rollout. Before the vote, some committee members said they were concerned that there wasn't enough data to make a recommendation, while others argued third shots should be limited to certain groups, such as people over age 60 who are known to be at higher risk of severe disease. Some members raised concerns about the risk of myocarditis in younger people, saying more research is needed.

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Good to see the system works and we're following the science :tu

[SnakeBoy]

:lol so hater claims the vaccines are failing AND they are not failing

You claim not being willing to get a booster just because daddy Biden says so makes me an antivaxxer

[hater]

You claim not being willing to get a booster just because daddy Biden says so makes me an antivaxxer

:lmao

Chump :lol

Can u imagine if Trumps FDA had rejected boosters :lol

Chump would be on a rampage :lmao

[hater]

No boosters!!!!

Party time!!!!

USA! USA! USA!

[Thread]

FDA Panel Rejects Plan To Administer Pfizer's COVID-19 Booster Doses To General Public

An influential Food and Drug Administration advisory committee on Friday resoundingly rejected a plan to administer booster shots of Pfizer and BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine to the general public (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/fda-panel-begins-voting-on-pfizers-covid-booster-doses-rejecting-shots-for-general-public.html), saying they needed more data. The panel, however, could still recommend the shots for other populations. Scientists continued debating the need for a third dose of the vaccines for people 65 and older and other vulnerable populations after their initial vote. "It's likely beneficial, in my opinion, for the elderly, and may eventually be indicated for the general population. I just don't think we're there yet in terms of the data," Dr. Ofer Levy, a vaccine and infectious disease specialist at Boston Children's Hospital, said after voting against the original proposal. The final tally failed 16-2.

In a paper published days before the advisory committee meeting, a leading group of scientists said available data showed vaccine protection against severe disease persists, even as the effectiveness against mild disease wanes over time. The authors, including two high-ranking FDA officials and multiple scientists from the World Health Organization, argued Monday in the medical journal The Lancet that widely distributing booster shots to the general public is not appropriate at this time. In outlining plans last month to start distributing boosters as early as next week, administration officials cited three CDC studies that showed the vaccines' protection against Covid diminished over several months. Senior health officials said at the time they worried protection against severe disease, hospitalization and death "could" diminish in the months ahead, especially among those who are at higher risk or were vaccinated during the earlier phases of the vaccination rollout. Before the vote, some committee members said they were concerned that there wasn't enough data to make a recommendation, while others argued third shots should be limited to certain groups, such as people over age 60 who are known to be at higher risk of severe disease. Some members raised concerns about the risk of myocarditis in younger people, saying more research is needed.

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Good to see the system works and we're following the science :tu

Let 'em eat cake & die.

[DarrinS]

Free boosters. Just go out in public. Stop eating Whataburger in the parking lot. :lol

[Adam Lambert]

You claim not being willing to get a booster just because daddy Biden says so makes me an antivaxxer

Actually I think he means all the anti-vax stuff you post.

I haven't seen any real pro-boosters-for-everyone discussion on this board, but if you and hater want to claim a W against imaginary foes, I hope it starts your weekend off in a good way. :tu

I'm happy to follow the science.

[ChumpDumper]

You claim not being willing to get a booster just because daddy Biden says so makes me an antivaxxerNo.

Not that.

You're simply vaxxed and antivax.

You make no sense.

You voted for Trump twice.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually I think he means all the anti-vax stuff you post.

I haven't seen any real pro-boosters-for-everyone discussion on this board, but if you and hater want to claim a W against imaginary foes, I hope it starts your weekend off in a good way. :tu

I'm happy to follow the science.:lol called it

[DarrinS]

If Fauci is "the science", then FDA did not "follow the science". :lol

I hate that phrase "follow the science ".

[ChumpDumper]

If Fauci is "the science", then FDA did not "follow the science". :lol

I hate that phrase "follow the science ".Were you following the science when you pimped hydroxychloroquine?

[koriwhat]

If Fauci is "the science", then FDA did not "follow the science". :lol

I hate that phrase "follow the science ".

It's the TELEVISION these cultists follow and not "the science". That's their religion though.

[hater]

If Fauci is "the science", then FDA did not "follow the science". :lol

I hate that phrase "follow the science ".

:lmao

[SnakeBoy]

Actually I think he means all the anti-vax stuff you post.

I haven't seen any real pro-boosters-for-everyone discussion on this board, but if you and hater want to claim a W against imaginary foes, I hope it starts your weekend off in a good way. :tu

I'm happy to follow the science.

So am I. I'm glad the FDA approval board did the same. Tell me do you agree with Chump that this was antivaxx


Vaccine induced AID's is a a real thing, always has been. Even documented with these vaccines. It's something antivaxxers have always exploited to spread their bullshit even though usually the risk is so low that benefit outweighs risk.

Apparently we are going to fly blind and give a 3rd unnecessary dose to the general population starting on the 20th. Maybe jacking circulating antibodies even higher because moar will be fine, we'll find out. I don't think it's a high risk but if they fuck this up good luck with vaccine acceptance.


So you just adopted an antivaxx talking point for no real reason.:tu

[ChumpDumper]

So am I. I'm glad the FDA approval board did the same. Tell me do you agree with Chump that this was antivaxx

How much vaccine AIDS in Israel so far?

Give me the science.

[hater]

I'm happy to follow the science.

Glad u against Falsuchi ma nig :tu

[SnakeBoy]

How much vaccine AIDS in Israel so far?

Give me the science.

Insufficient data according to the FDA approval board

Terrified Chump arguing for his unnecessary booster :lol

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[ChumpDumper]

Insufficient data according to the FDA approval board

Terrified Chump arguing for his unnecessary booster :lolI was the one saying there was not enough data to show boosters would work for people under 60.

:lol vaxxed antivax Snakboi gettin' upset