Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Thread]

Try months. Two to six.

At least four month because Unemployment/wk + $600.00/wk thru July.

[pgardn]

There is doctor in NY who claims he's treated 350 patients with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and z-pak, and said all 350 recovered without needing to be hospitalized.

God I hope its this easy.
Zinc did not even help me with a cold.
I know the symptoms very quickly, sore throat.
The zinc did nothing.

The other stuff I have not tried. The symptoms on the viral crap I have gotten very mild.
Exception, mono. That shit kicked my butt for 2 weeks, I felt better, came back too quickly based on my WBC count. The shit kicked my butt for a whole semester of college. Variance in the ability to fight different diseases, to take different drugs is quite amazing. My brother is hugely allergic to penicillin and amoxicillin as is my father. The Stuff has worked fine on me but that was a while back.

[MannyIsGod]

Texas is looking real good. We can see here that in states that are getting hit the hardest, the inflection point comes quick and just exponentially explodes in about 10 days:

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/new-york/
https://covidtracking.com/data/state/louisiana/
https://covidtracking.com/data/state/michigan/

Texas's last 10 days are much smoother.

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas/

Because we're not testing anyone. Real good? Dude, accounts for doctors and nurses down in Houston don't say its "real good".

I don't know if you realize how shitty your posts come off during the middle of a disaster. Real good? REALLY?

[boutons_deux]

LA health care provider thanks woman for her coronavirus ‘sacrifice’ after cutting off her lupus meds

KP:

“Thank you for the sacrifice you will be making for the sake of those that are critically ill;

your sacrifice may actually save lives,”

“The fact that they thanked me for my ‘sacrifice’ is disturbing,” said Dale to BuzzFeed News.

“I never agreed to sacrifice my health and possibly my life, and

cannot believe that I am being forced to do so …

I am already immunocompromised, and

not taking this medication likely put me into a lupus flare,

making serious complications from COVID more likely.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/la-health-care-provider-thanks-woman-for-her-coronavirus-sacrifice-after-cutting-off-her-lupus-meds/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4133 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/la-health-care-provider-thanks-woman-for-her-coronavirus-sacrifice-after-cutting-off-her-lupus-meds/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4133)

Is there any evidence that the drugs are any benefit to seriously ill covid-19 people?

[TimDunkem]

My mom has lupus too. Luckily, she has been able to get her meds.

[MannyIsGod]

Here are some quotes from actual doctors in Houston from an Aggie board I'm on:


If you don't already have CV, the best way to give yourself CV is to go to an ER right now. We are currently seeing more CV than any other issue combined. If he feels he doesn't need to go to the ER, he should be self-quarantining and assume that he does have it. Testing is of minimal concern in most of these individuals as the disease is already wide spread.


I was yelled at twice for "refusing" to test kids with symptoms yesterday. I am not refusing and I don't think "your kid is not important" we simply do not have enough test kits to test people that aren't critically ill. Please remember it is not the doctor being a jerk it is a limitation of current resources.


I have people yelling at me daily because they not get tested. Realistically the test is only for statistics unless you are seriously ill and will require hospitalization. So like was previously stated if you have the symptoms assume you are positive and go home to isolate yourself.

In the future you will be able to get a blood test for IgM and IgG and it will tell you if you have had it or not. Currently it is not really important because the treatment is the same just isolation and rest. As long as you do not get short of breath walking around your house you should be ok. If you are getting short of breath walking than you should consider going to the hospital.


The worldometer is a bunch of nonsense if you are using it to look at total number of cases. We likely have many millions in the US alone who have already been infected. But luckily the majority of these cases are mild or asymptomatic. No one knows the true number we just keep finding out it is probably way more then we realize each day. Also remember that we will have a blood test for IgG and IgM which will some day give us a greater picture of the true extent of this pandemic.

[boutons_deux]

inhumane rightwingnutjobs are dead serious about killing people with covid-19

=================

Today, The Federalist, a right-wing publication, shared a tweet that read:

“It is time to think outside the box and

seriously consider a somewhat unconventional approach to COVID-19:

controlled voluntary infection.”

The tweet, which linked to an op-ed by Dr. Douglas A. Perednia from the site about “chickenpox parties,”

the Portland-based author of the piece is a dermatologist who is not currently licensed to practice medicine in the state of Oregon.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/25/1931205/-Here-s-why-Twitter-removed-a-right-wing-magazine-s-shocking-coronavirus-tweet?detail=emaildkre

rightwingnutjobs prying open the Overton window

[slick'81]

Because we're not testing anyone. Real good? Dude, accounts for doctors and nurses down in Houston don't say its "real good".

I don't know if you realize how shitty your posts come off during the middle of a disaster. Real good? REALLY?

yea the fact he said things are going real good in texas make me nervous as shit:lol

[baseline bum]

Here are some quotes from actual doctors in Houston from an Aggie board I'm on:

Fuck me this is horrifying to read

[midnightpulp]

Because we're not testing anyone. Real good? Dude, accounts for doctors and nurses down in Houston don't say its "real good".

I don't know if you realize how shitty your posts come off during the middle of a disaster. Real good? REALLY?

Seems like you're trusting anecdotes over data. How do we know those patients rushing Houston area hospitals actually have the virus when you just said yourself "we're not testing anyone." Flu symptoms are similar to this virus. People could be overreacting and visiting the ER for so much as a light cough (that isn't caused by the virus). Point is WE DON'T KNOW.

But yeah, my posts are shitty looking for the bright sides, which is based on the data YOU'VE INVOKED YOURSELF AND THE EXPERTS YOU CITE INVOKE. Now "I'm doing it wrong." Fuckin' please. Go lecture somewhere else.

[spurraider21]

Fuck me this is horrifying to read
:cry im worried about your anxiety overwhelming the hospitals :cry

[pgardn]

My mom has lupus too. Luckily, she has been able to get her meds.

And this leads again to a very socialist idea.

Since hospitals and health care insurance bottom line is to make money we need federal help.
Hospitals were naturally caught with their pants down on so many medical materials because it is NOT in their economic interest to prepare for a disaster and buy a bunch of extra supplies just in case. Same with Heath care insurers but in a diff mechanism.

We need FEDERAL repositories of medical supplies.
We must have learned this.
Oh noes, the federal government cant handle this, let a business run this... ahhh yes.
That was a problem in the first place.

[apalisoc_9]

Here are some quotes from actual doctors in Houston from an Aggie board I'm on:

WTF

hater

you seeing this scrah? Remeber when US citizens accused china of underreporting? I am 100 sure they are, but this is scary stuff.

[midnightpulp]

:cry im worried about your anxiety overwhelming the hospitals :cry

Fuck off, Philo. You completely the miss the point as usual. So who bought you your law degree? It's quite fuckin' obvious you can't evaluate an argument to save your life.

[pgardn]

Fuck me this is horrifying to read

Dont worry it wont bother DMC, so it should not bother you.
Go have your morning coffee now.

[spurraider21]

Fuck off, Philo. You completely the miss the point as usual. So who bought you your law degree? It's quite fuckin' obvious you can't evaluate an argument to save your life.
diploma mills are legit. beyond that it was just bribing some state bar officials

[pgardn]

Dont worry it wont bother DMC, so it should not bother you.
Go have your morning coffee now.

Oh

In case you were worried about me Im fine. In fact I dont think I will get it and if I do I feel I shake it off easy.
But I can understand someone who has just been hit with a brick.

[midnightpulp]

MannyIsGod: "Data, data, data. This is how we make projections. I'll even post the site I'm using which is a good resource."

"Hmm, the data shows Texas in a good situation."

MannyIsGOD: ":madrun: your posts are real shitty! We can't rely on the data! We have to rely on these anecdotes posted on a college football message board! That's the better way to do it."

[midnightpulp]

diploma mills are legit. beyond that it was just bribing some state bar officials

At least you're maintaining sense of humor, but do you understand what I was saying? Panic doesn't not help in any situation, and the way many media outlets are presenting this does cause further panic that is not needed vs. a balanced evaluation of the situation. Like so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA2QmwVakzU&t=709s

[DarrinS]

In Texas, we're still in high oak pollen until late april. A LOT of people have bad allergies and think they have CV. They're only testing highly suspicious symptomatic cases. Over 90% of those tests are negative.

[spurraider21]

At least you're maintaining sense of humor, but do you understand what I was saying? Panic doesn't not help in any situation, and the way many media outlets are presenting this does cause further panic that is not needed vs. a balanced evaluation of the situation. Like so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA2QmwVakzU&t=709s
i've long criticized sensationalist news (typically cable news, and the product of the 24 hour news cycle), i dont think covid is an exception. just because there are some people overreaching doesn't mean going full baghdad bob is the appropriate countermeasure

again, i dont pretend to be an expert on the issue, and you wont see me give my own projections or expected death figures or anything like that. but imo despite your constant comments about how you "aren't downplaying" it... your recent post history has seemed to be a constant downplaying of it

worldometers had the US as 268 new deaths yesterday. latest update is already showing us at 398 today. we aren't a direct analogue to italy, but they havent even peaked yet (919 deaths today to 712 yesterday) and we are still "behind them" on the curve, in general. still appears things are still going to get worse before they get better, especially if POTUS says "fuck it" and states go back to business as usual (many states are STILL doing that)

we STILL have testing shortages all over the place, which is absurd. and maybe im misguided, but i reject the notion that anxiety caused by the what you believe to be frantic reporting is remotely in the same plane as what we are otherwise dealing with

[midnightpulp]

In Texas, we're still in high oak pollen until late april. A LOT of people have bad allergies and think they have CV. They're only testing highly suspicious symptomatic cases. Over 90% of those tests are negative.

I know Manny is a smart guy for obvious reasons, probably way smarter than me, but I just don't understand him overlooking obvious problems with "the anecdote" method in this case vs. the data he was yesterday championing. Seems he wants to pick bones with posters who don't completely share the idea that we'll be living in the Walking Dead in 6 months. We don't know the actual condition of those patients that rushed the hospital. People are scared shitless of this virus and are demanding testing/treatment for any symptoms that might resemble it. Key word: "Concerns."

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/coronavirus-concerns-could-be-overwhelming-emergency-rooms-across-dc-region

[slick'81]

In Texas, we're still in high oak pollen until late april. A LOT of people have bad allergies and think they have CV. They're only testing highly suspicious symptomatic cases. Over 90% of those tests are negative.


Keep up that positivity D!

[DarrinS]

I know Manny is a smart guy for obvious reasons, probably way smarter than me, but I just don't understand him overlooking obvious problems with "the anecdote" method in this case vs. the data he was yesterday championing. Seems he wants to pick bones with posters who don't completely share the idea that we'll be living in the Walking Dead in 6 months. We don't know the actual condition of those patients that rushed the hospital. People are scared shitless of this virus and are demanding testing/treatment for any symptoms that might resemble it. Key word: "Concerns."

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/coronavirus-concerns-could-be-overwhelming-emergency-rooms-across-dc-region


Sadly, 9 out of 10 people are wasting resources. The fear is worse than the disease, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

i've long criticized sensationalist news (typically cable news, and the product of the 24 hour news cycle), i dont think covid is an exception. just because there are some people overreaching doesn't mean going full baghdad bob is the appropriate countermeasure

again, i dont pretend to be an expert on the issue, and you wont see me give my own projections or expected death figures or anything like that. but imo despite your constant comments about how you "aren't downplaying" it... your recent post history has seemed to be a constant downplaying of it

worldometers had the US as 268 deaths yesterday. latest update is already showing us at 398 today. we aren't a direct analogue to italy, but they havent even peaked yet (919 deaths today to 712 yesterday) and we are still "behind them" on the curve, in general. still appears things are still going to get worse before they get better, especially if POTUS says "fuck it" and states go back to business as usuals (many states are STILL doing that)

But I'm not downplaying it. "Downplaying it" would be saying "meh, this thing is just a light flu and will go away by Summer." I never stated such. I posited the warm weather/UV theory (based from an expert study) not to suggest that areas in those regions will be unaffected, but they won't be affected nearly as much as densely populated areas in that "green band." And this is very important, because if CA, TX, FL become their own NYs, we're fucked (I don't see that happening because the population densities will be enough to prevent that. New York City is taking the brunt, while the rest of NY state hasn't seen much acceleration: https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en).

The Italy comparisons I still don't like because we have to remember we have 5 times as many people. I have no clue what our peak will be, but Italy is probably the worst of the worst case scenarios, even if our peak is 2000, that is half of Italy's peak per capita. And remember the data lag factor. We really don't know when those people actually died. They could've passed last week and are only being registered now.

Agree, some states need to be dealt with by firm hand commanding their governors to issue shelter in place.

[DarrinS]

Keep up that positivity D!


I don't know if it's so much positivity as it is skepticism of doomsday alarmism.

[Reck]

New York getting skulled fucked now. But at least we'll be the first or one of the first states to level this thing off.

[Nathan89]

New York getting skulled fucked now. But at least we'll be the first or one of the first states to level this thing off.

Without the government shutting shit down I could very easily wait out these other people tbh. Unfortunately, my family would not take the proper precautions.

[midnightpulp]

New York getting skulled fucked now. But at least we'll be the first or one of the first states to level this thing off.

You're from there, right? Are you in the city?

[monosylab1k]

I don't know if it's so much positivity as it is skepticism of doomsday alarmism.

It’s mostly doing what Trump told you to do.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1243696001958981632

[DarrinS]

It’s mostly doing what Trump told you to do.

Don't even know what you're talking about. ^TDS

[spurraider21]

But I'm not downplaying it. "Downplaying it" would be saying "meh, this thing is just a light flu and will go away by Summer." I never stated such. I posited the warm weather/UV theory (based from an expert study) not to suggest that areas in those regions will be unaffected, but they won't be affected nearly as much as densely populated areas in that "green band." And this is very important, because if CA, TX, FL become their own NYs, we're fucked (I don't see that happening because the population densities will be enough to prevent that. New York City is taking the brunt, while the rest of NY state hasn't seen much acceleration: https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en).

The Italy comparisons I still don't like because we have to remember we have 5 times as many people. I have no clue what our peak will be, but Italy is probably the worst of the worst case scenarios, even if our peak is 2000, that is half of Italy's peak per capita. And remember the data lag factor. We really don't know when those people actually died. They could've passed last week and are only being registered now.

Agree, some states need to be dealt with by firm hand commanding their governors to issue shelter in place.
im not necessarily predicting that we're going to have more deaths per day than italy at our respective peaks... just that in our relative "cycles"... we are still behind italy, and they dont appear to have peaked yet, so we are still some ways away before we peak here, if we assume that our overall progress will correlate (even if the numbers arent the same)

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1243696001958981632
thats great to hear :tu

[monosylab1k]

Don't even know what you're talking about. ^TDS

The indoctrinated rarely do :tu

[monosylab1k]

Trump: No big deal!
DarrinS: No big deal!

Trump: Well actually it is a big deal!
DarrinS: OMG WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE

Trump: jk lol no biggie
DarrinS: we good everybody!

[DarrinS]

thank you for your valuable contribution, monotard

[Reck]

You're from there, right? Are you in the city?

Yeah, I am.

But in the least impacted borought.


EDIT:
Second least. First being Staten Island

[monosylab1k]

thank you for your valuable contribution, monotard

As if you posting charts and graphs of pie in the sky optimism is worth dick :lmao

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/rkwadhera/status/1243612614975873024

If you survive Corona it's a duty to donate your plasma and apparently you can do that every 28 days. The ratio of people that beat the virus vs those that need to be hospitalized is very beneficial for this treatment.

[Nathan89]

Surprised China hasn't infected their concentration camp prisoners and turned them into a blood bank tbh.

[slick'81]

I don't know if it's so much positivity as it is skepticism of doomsday alarmism.


Atleast I dont think anyone here has said the worlds ending

[ChumpDumper]

There is doctor in NY who claims he's treated 350 patients with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and z-pak, and said all 350 recovered without needing to be hospitalized.Great.

Who?

Where?

[MannyIsGod]

MannyIsGod (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=76): "Data, data, data. This is how we make projections. I'll even post the site I'm using which is a good resource."

"Hmm, the data shows Texas in a good situation."

MannyIsGOD: ":madrun: your posts are real shitty! We can't rely on the data! We have to rely on these anecdotes posted on a college football message board! That's the better way to do it."

None of the data shows that we're in a good position. We're not TESTING people and you're like oh shit the numbers are low this is great.

None of this is good. None of it.

[RandomGuy]

Sadly, 9 out of 10 people are wasting resources. The fear is worse than the disease, tbh.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

has the state by state projections. Biggest loser so far:New York and michigan.

A lot of this seems to be based on current figures, often underreported.

NY will have four times more hospitalizations at peak than it as beds total.

It is about to get a LOT worse there.

Florida's peak isn't until May, per this model.

Nationwide peak has a very high standard deviation at the peak though, i.e. a very wide range, meaning a lot of uncertainty about it.

[MannyIsGod]

Seems like you're trusting anecdotes over data. How do we know those patients rushing Houston area hospitals actually have the virus when you just said yourself "we're not testing anyone." Flu symptoms are similar to this virus. People could be overreacting and visiting the ER for so much as a light cough (that isn't caused by the virus). Point is WE DON'T KNOW.

But yeah, my posts are shitty looking for the bright sides, which is based on the data YOU'VE INVOKED YOURSELF AND THE EXPERTS YOU CITE INVOKE. Now "I'm doing it wrong." Fuckin' please. Go lecture somewhere else.

You're hopeless.

[MannyIsGod]

yea the fact he said things are going real good in texas make me nervous as shit:lol

Its fucking idiocy. We're all locked down, they don't have any tests, and the healthcare here is already stretched thin but hey things are REAL GOOD HERE!

[RandomGuy]

None of the data shows that we're in a good position. We're not TESTING people and you're like oh shit the numbers are low this is great.

None of this is good. None of it.

Eyup.

We appear to STILL be short on tests, which means that for a lot of places that aren't doing a LOT of tests are likely really underreported. A lot of the modeling has, as a baked in assumption, that current rates of infected are accurate.


Compared to licensed capacity and average annual occupancy rates, excess demand from COVID-19 at the peak of the pandemic in the second week of April is predicted to be 64,175 (95% UI 7,977 to 251,059) total beds and 17,309 (95% UI 2,432 to 57,584) ICU beds. At the peak of the pandemic, ventilator use is predicted to be 19,481 (95% UI 9,767 to 39,674). The date of peak excess demand by state varies from the second week of April through May. We estimate that there will be a total of 81,114 deaths (95% UI 38,242 to 162,106) from COVID-19 over the next 4 months in the US. Deaths from COVID-19 are estimated to drop below 10 deaths per day between May 31 and June 6.
http://www.healthdata.org/research-article/forecasting-covid-19-impact-hospital-bed-days-icu-days-ventilator-days-and-deaths

(edit)

This study goes by number of deaths, which is presumably more accurate.

This study used data on confirmed COVID-19 deaths by day from WHO websites and local and national governments; data on hospital capacity and utilization for US states; and observed COVID-19 utilization data from select locations to develop a statistical model forecasting deaths and hospital utilization against capacity by state for the US over the next 4 months.

[phxspurfan]

NYC is saying they're getting more medical 911 calls than they did on 9/11

9/11 was a walk in park compared to this. It was like 3 or 4 buildings in the city. This is the whole damn tri state area

[spurraider21]

9/11 was a walk in park compared to this. It was like 3 or 4 buildings in the city. This is the whole damn tri state area
the entire tri state area isn't calling into NYC

[RandomGuy]

Its fucking idiocy. We're all locked down, they don't have any tests, and the healthcare here is already stretched thin but hey things are REAL GOOD HERE!

"we have it totally contained" "we will see maybe zero cases here soon".

https://anaannblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/baghdad-bob.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas/#history

Texas reported all of 2 thousands tests today. OF COURSE THE NUMBERS AREN'T GOING UP.

[Chris]

Aggie messageboard doctors :lol

[spurraider21]

Aggie messageboard doctors :lol
not as legit as spurstalk lawyers imo

[MannyIsGod]

In Texas, we're still in high oak pollen until late april. A LOT of people have bad allergies and think they have CV. They're only testing highly suspicious symptomatic cases. Over 90% of those tests are negative.

My car is still covered in it, so yeah, this is part of it, but its pretty easy to tell the difference between the two since Covid is primarly lower repository problems while allergies are upper. You'll have a runny nose, itchy eyes, etc.

[phxspurfan]

well Trump is an ass and is handling this as worse as possible

its sad but also comical how bad he is so yeah Im gonna keep writing about it :lol

Trump still > Hillary tho

she would have done as bad or worse

She herself, probably just as bad and indecisive. But her cabinet wouldnt have consisted of right wing blowhards / conspiracy theorists and nepotism hires / business partners. Also, she wouldn't have cut funding to critical departments the second she stepped into the office. Probably would have relied on those much smarter folks to make the decisions and taken a step back to just giving speeches

[MannyIsGod]

Aggie messageboard doctors :lol

Laugh all you want homie, but the message board has gone on and verified actual degreed doctors and is a pretty good resource. Most of my fellow Ags are fucking batshit, but there's been some good data there.

https://texags.com/forums/84

[phxspurfan]

not as legit as spurstalk lawyers imo

q67cD8pDgqk

[picnroll]

We’re past the point of testing who has it in many places and in the phase of needing testing who has had it. If plasma works that is the savior. Fingers crossed.

[MannyIsGod]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/26/us/coronavirus-testing-states.html

We're near the bottom of the testing per capita. Its ridiculous for a state like Texas to be doing this.

[picnroll]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/26/us/coronavirus-testing-states.html

We're near the bottom of the testing per capita. Its ridiculous for a state like Texas to be doing this.
From a management standpoint now what value does testing for infection have beyond testing those needing hospital admission for respiratory issues to know if they should or shouldn’t be separated from COVID patient’s and healthcare workers with any symptoms to know if they need to be offline (although infectious non-symptomatic patients are anywhere from 1-3 COVID + people)?

[slick'81]

We’re past the point of testing who has it in many places and in the phase of needing testing who has had it. If plasma works that is the savior. Fingers crossed.


There is no savior

[Mark Celibate]

Well don’t be too calm. According to TGY you will be denied food unless you agree to get microchipped

dont forget (((they))) have secretly designed each microchip to emit 5g radiation at high enough levels to cause your testicles to fall off

[slick'81]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/26/us/coronavirus-testing-states.html

We're near the bottom of the testing per capita. Its ridiculous for a state like Texas to be doing this.


I bitched about that yesterday,but all i heard is -cdc fcked up,and testing is ramping up

[Chris]

Laugh all you want homie, but the message board has gone on and verified actual degreed doctors and is a pretty good resource. Most of my fellow Ags are fucking batshit, but there's been some good data there.

https://texags.com/forums/84

:tu

[MannyIsGod]

From a management standpoint now what value does testing for infection have beyond testing those needing hospital admission for respiratory issues to know if they should or shouldn’t be separated from COVID patient’s and healthcare workers with any symptoms to know if they need to be offline (although infectious non-symptomatic patients are anywhere from 1-3 COVID + people)?

It gives you a better understanding of how many supplies you need and will need. You can't just write off informational needs at this point in a crisis. If you don't have a need, then you can shift supplies to a neighbor that needs them, like LA. The fact that we've only done 20k tests here in this state to this point is just insane.

[picnroll]

It gives you a better understanding of how many supplies you need and will need. You can't just write off informational needs at this point in a crisis. If you don't have a need, then you can shift supplies to a neighbor that needs them, like LA. The fact that we've only done 20k tests here in this state to this point is just insane.

Supply needs is everything and all you can send me x10. People will only shift supplies at the point of a gun because they can’t anticipate short term needs and they don’t want to tell their citizens and local healthcare workers “yeah we had them but shipped them to NY”. San Antonio might not need them today but they aren’t sending them to Houston. Maybe an intelligent central authority could organize effective movement of equipment. You know where we can get one of those?

[MannyIsGod]

Supply needs is everything and all you can send me x10. People will only shift supplies at the point of a gun because they can’t anticipate short term needs and they don’t want to tell their citizens and local healthcare workers “yeah we had them but shipped them to NY”. San Antonio might not need them today but they aren’t sending them to Houston. Maybe an intelligent central authority could organize effective movement of equipment. You know where we can get one of those?

lol nopeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[midnightpulp]

None of the data shows that we're in a good position. We're not TESTING people and you're like oh shit the numbers are low this is great.

None of this is good. None of it.

Tell me why you can't infer some picture of the situation from fatalities? Texas is likely rationing tests for the most obvious cases, so the numbers of fatalities could be an indicator of case spread.

[MannyIsGod]

Tell me why you can't infer some picture of the situation from fatalities? Texas is likely rationing tests for the most obvious cases, so the numbers of fatalities could be an indicator of case spread.

Because deaths give you a picture that is weeks old. You don't get the disease and die, you get it and develop symptoms up to two weeks later, and then spend up to 4 weeks on a ventilator before you die. There are faster timelines for that, but not all. Its a delayed response.

[midnightpulp]

^As RandomGuy said echoing the WHO report:


This study goes by number of deaths, which is presumably more accurate.

[TDMVPDPOY]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/26/us/coronavirus-testing-states.html

We're near the bottom of the testing per capita. Its ridiculous for a state like Texas to be doing this.

what it can do now is close off the borders...wait cant even do this with border with mexico, so i doubt anything can be done

just hope the virus is purging the type of ppl that isnt contributing to the country in any way shape or form...just bunch of freeloaders or trouble makers

[picnroll]

Hospitalization and fatalities are where it’s at. Fatalities is a variable and relatively wide lagging indicator. New hospitilzations if the data were available. It is for a site I follow for Colorado but only state wide.

[Blake]

Aggie messageboard doctors :lol

^ typed right before checking out gateway pundit news and James Woods tweets

[Blake]

"NEW BRAUNFELS, Texas – Adolph (T.J.) Mendez, 44, was “perfectly healthy,” according to his family, with no underlying health issues when he died Thursday from complications due to COVID-19, the Herald-Zeitung reported.."

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/03/27/perfectly-healthy-new-braunfels-man-killed-by-covid-19-family-says/

[MannyIsGod]

Hospitalization and fatalities are where it’s at. Fatalities is a variable and relatively wide lagging indicator.

Yeah hospitalization is definitely the best short term indicator we have in absence of testing but they're not reporting that everywhere. Even in NY the data is lagged days at a time.

Still, its by far the best.

[midnightpulp]

Because deaths give you a picture that is weeks old. You don't get the disease and die, you get it and develop symptoms up to two weeks later, and then spend up to 4 weeks on a ventilator before you die. There are faster timelines for that, but not all. Its a delayed response.

I get that, but you still don't think deaths can indicate the size of the spread? Meaning all those patients on ventilators would die in relatively short times of each other (or the lagging data finally being recorded) leading to a spiked death rate. I feel it the virus was super prevalent in Texas (like Louisiana level) we'd start seeing that death count hit the inflection point and then spike, as it did in Louisiana. I assume this is perhaps your fear, as LA seemed to be steady and then just spiked. That said, I'm still cautiously optimistic for Texas. That's all I was getting at.

[dude21]

I get that, but you still don't think deaths can indicate the size of the spread? Meaning all those patients on ventilators would die in relatively short times of each other (or the lagging data finally being recorded) leading to a spiked death rate. I feel it the virus was super prevalent in Texas (like Louisiana level) we'd start seeing that death count hit the inflection point and then spike, as it did in Louisiana. I assume this is perhaps your fear, as LA seemed to be steady and then just spiked. That said, I'm still cautiously optimistic for Texas. That's all I was getting at.

Mid can you make a statistic that has infection counts to airport traffic?

[picnroll]

Yeah hospitalization is definitely the best short term indicator we have in absence of testing but they're not reporting that everywhere. Even in NY the data is lagged days at a time.

Still, its by far the best.
I edited it. Not just hospitalizations but new admissions. That’s maybe a 4-5 day lag from peak.

[ElNono]

I don't know if it's so much positivity as it is skepticism of doomsday alarmism.

what # of infected/death would cross your personal "doomsday alarmism" threshold, tbh?

[midnightpulp]

Mid can you make a statistic that has infection counts to airport traffic?

Here's a list of the busiest airports (you can crosscheck case counts with these areas). Doesn't seem to be much correlation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_airports_by_aircraft_movements

Seems the biggest factor that drives spread is population density. New York is actually pretty "quiet" outside of the burrows. https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

And hopefully the warm weather/UV light idea has veracity. That'd be huge.

[dude21]

Here's a list of the busiest airports (you can crosscheck case counts with these areas). Doesn't seem to be much correlation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_airports_by_aircraft_movements

Seems the biggest factor that drives spread is population density. New York is actually pretty "quiet" outside of the burrows. https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

And hopefully the warm weather/UV light idea has veracity. That'd be huge.

I can confirm density is the biggest factor to infection rates.

[ElNono]

BTW, I thought the whole GM ventilators saga brought back that whole free market discussion, and how this country is wholly unprepared to put country over money...

[ElNono]

Here's a list of the busiest airports (you can crosscheck case counts with these areas). Doesn't seem to be much correlation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_airports_by_aircraft_movements

LAX has to be infestation central, IMO. Avoid at all costs (I live like 30 blocks away).

[Reck]

q67cD8pDgqk

Spanish version is more legit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAXLHN0JOj8

[picnroll]

Never saw this ousted. Maybe just missed it.

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83

[ChumpDumper]

BTW, I thought the whole GM ventilators saga brought back that whole free market discussion, and how this country is wholly unprepared to put country over money...Defense Production Act good now.

[ElNono]

Defense Production Act good now.

Yeah, which goes to show this isn't new either... we just used to deal with this nonsense a lot quicker back then...

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, which goes to show this isn't new either... we just used to deal with this nonsense a lot quicker back then...Now we Art of the Deal with it.

[Mark Celibate]

LAX has to be infestation central, IMO. Avoid at all costs (I live like 30 blocks away).

rofl, I thought you were in NJ for some reason. I knew you were close to a COVID hotspot but I was only off about 3,000 miles

[ElNono]

rofl, I thought you were in NJ for some reason. I knew you were close to a COVID hotspot but I was only off about 3,000 miles

lmao, I moved last year, tbh.... secret sauces tipped me about the impending doom

[DMC]

You're following Kawhi. You need a new el cliente

[ElNono]

You're following Kawhi. You need a new el cliente

can't out-con uncle dennis, tbh

[DarrinS]

If you want to see an epic vocal performance with no autotune


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1GpWOdj2e0

[ElNono]

If you want to see an epic vocal performance with no autotune


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1GpWOdj2e0

wrong thread?

[ElNono]

Charter gives techs $25 gift cards instead of hazard pay during pandemic

Charter Communications is giving its cable technicians $25 restaurant gift cards instead of hazard pay for going into customer homes during the coronavirus pandemic, BuzzFeed reported yesterday. The gift cards are a "token of our appreciation," an internal email from management on Monday said, BuzzFeed reported. Of course, many restaurants are closed during the pandemic, so restaurant gift cards aren't the most useful perk Charter management could have chosen.

"These gift cards never expire, so if you choose a restaurant that is currently not open, the card will remain valid for future use... Please take some time out of your busy day to enjoy a meal and recharge," the email read.

Several Charter employees did not appreciate the minimal gesture. "It's really insensitive, it shows they don't care," one New York City-based technician told BuzzFeed. "You think a gift card is supposed to make us feel better?"
No hand sanitizer or gloves

BuzzFeed previously reported that Charter technicians are being sent to customer homes without protective equipment such as masks, gloves, and hand sanitizer. The internal email to Charter technicians said the company has now "secured access to hand sanitizer and gloves, which would be available for workers to use 'in the next few weeks,'" according to BuzzFeed. Numerous customers have asked Charter techs "why they aren't in full protective gear."

A Charter spokesperson told BuzzFeed that "The response from the technicians to all our recent changes, along with the gift card gesture, has been very positive."

Charter, operator of Spectrum TV and Internet service, is the second-largest cable company in the US after Comcast. Charter has been slow to let call-center workers and other office-based employees work from home during the pandemic. We interviewed several Charter employees about their work conditions last week, with one saying a call center is "an absolute nightmare breeding ground for germs on a normal basis."

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/03/charter-gives-techs-25-gift-cards-instead-of-hazard-pay-during-pandemic/

[clambake]

lmao, I moved last year, tbh.... secret sauces tipped me about the impending doom

no more high-octane for you

[ElNono]

no more high-octane for you

at 3x the price :lol

[slick'81]

If you want to see an epic vocal performance with no autotune


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1GpWOdj2e0


Wth is this D?:td

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1243779158737440768?s=19
https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1243793726276694016?s=19

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/chuckwoolery/status/1243776244908507137?s=19

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1243779158737440768?s=19
https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1243793726276694016?s=19


https://twitter.com/chuckwoolery/status/1243776244908507137?s=19

Fake News

[ElNono]

However, it would be good for the FDA to clear the drug specifically for COVID-19 treatment if it deems the clinical trials conclusive to that end.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/chuckwoolery/status/1243776244908507137?s=19Speaking about people trying to use existing anti-viral drugs such as hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19, Fauci said: "Right now, today, as we speak, there is no proven safe and effective direct therapy for coronavirus disease.

"There are a number of clinical trials that are trying to, by randomized controlled trials, get a definitive answer as to what works and what does not work, what's safe and what's not safe.

"Superimposed upon that, there are drugs that are already approved for other things, like hydroxychloroquine for malaria and certain autoimmune diseases. There have been anecdotal stories, by anecdotal I mean people kind of think they work, but they haven't really proven they work."

He also cautioned people to be "careful" about taking such drugs as it could cut the supply for people who have the diseases they're used for, and said "there may be some toxicity."

[Spurtacular]

Speaking about people trying to use existing anti-viral drugs such as hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19, Fauci said: "Right now, today, as we speak, there is no proven safe and effective direct therapy for coronavirus disease.

"There are a number of clinical trials that are trying to, by randomized controlled trials, get a definitive answer as to what works and what does not work, what's safe and what's not safe.

"Superimposed upon that, there are drugs that are already approved for other things, like hydroxychloroquine for malaria and certain autoimmune diseases. There have been anecdotal stories, by anecdotal I mean people kind of think they work, but they haven't really proven they work."

He also cautioned people to be "careful" about taking such drugs as it could cut the supply for people who have the diseases they're used for, and said "there may be some toxicity."

:cry Big-time bureaucrat said this :cry

[ElNono]

He also cautioned people to be "careful" about taking such drugs as it could cut the supply for people who have the diseases they're used for, and said "there may be some toxicity."

Yup, read a press release from a lupus group that due to the hoarding it's becoming difficult for people with lupus to get their prescribed drug.

[ElNono]

see: https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/health/2020/03/27/hydroxychloroquine-shortage-affecting-lupus-patients

[ChumpDumper]

Yup, read a press release from a lupus group that due to the hoarding it's becoming difficult for people with lupus to get their prescribed drug.Yep. Insurance companies are cutting lupus patients off from the drug and diverting it to COVID patients. I hope it works but if it doesn't I guess we can just throw it on the pile of colossal fuck ups.

Weird that right wingers are fully mobilized on this tho.

[Winehole23]

Yep. Insurance companies are cutting lupus patients off from the drug and diverting it to COVID patients. I hope it works but if it doesn't I guess we can just throw it on the pile of colossal fuck ups.

Weird that right wingers are fully mobilized on this tho.MAGAworld has become inured to a steady stream of nostrums and elixirs hawked by the pundits.

Selling snake oil is a right wing style.

[Reck]

Good lord, just like clockwork the Trump army is out to get Michigan's governor cuz TRUMP!

[Winehole23]

Birx, who declined to be interviewed for this article, told a Christian TV network popular with Trump’s evangelical base that she’s confident that the president is, like her, a student of data.

“He’s been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data,” Birx told CBN. “I think his ability to analyze and integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit during these discussions about medical issues because in the end, data is data.”https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-coordinator-birx-trump-data-whisperer/2343897/

[Reck]

Guy barely has 5th grade level reading skills and yet he’s an expert on scientific data. Must be nice

[boutons_deux]

Weird that right wingers are fully mobilized on this tho.

... because they, and everybody, esp Trash, know the covid-19 crisis and the cratered economy have cratered Trash's reelection.

They think hydroxychloroquine will reelect Trash and continue the destruction of America which they want degraded into a one-party-forever Christian/oligarchy authoritarian shithole

[picnroll]

Guy barely has 5th grade level reading skills and yet he’s an expert on scientific data. Must be nice

He has a child’s mind. Best way to get him to do what you want or needs to be done is let him think it’s his idea and take credit for it.

[picnroll]

CNN - 70 million people in the US are under a severe weather threat that includes tornadoes and hail.

Ok so now it’s shelter in place .... and oh by the way underground.

I’m not a religious person but I’ve got to think there's a god and he's punishing us for Trump

[Winehole23]

Rhode Island enforcing a quarantine on NYers with home checks and traffic stops.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-27/rhode-island-police-to-hunt-down-new-yorkers-seeking-refuge

[hater]

my poor friends are already running out of food niggas

hopefully the checks arrive in their homes soon or them niggas are gonna say fuck it and take to the streets

this is going to happen sooner in other countries as they have stricter quarantines and zero checks

now think about this, you are to stay home but have no $ for food to feed your kids. what do you do?

police are arresting ppl who wander out in other countries but what if thousands come out en masse?

[hater]

here is a little sample in Chile

they have nothing to eat. why should they stay home??

QjJHKqEkxOc

[Winehole23]

Sec. Azar with a sneak peek at the CDC's new propagandistic tack: back to work, plebes!

1243732571600629760

[hater]

Sec. Azar with a sneak peek at the CDC's new propagandistic tack: back to work, plebes!

1243732571600629760

terrible strategy unless you are going to take suspected cases and force quarantine them in supervised quarantine locations

- people who need money will keep working despite mild symptoms and infect everyone at work
- if people stay home they will infect entire household

losing strategy from the Orangegutan

[hater]

oh also EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR A MASK OUTSIDE

thats key

unless government and jobs can provide everyone with masks (even surgical masks are ok) and make it a requiement, we are toast

I will call this one more time:

the moment everyonerealizes we HAVE TO WEAR MASKS OUTSIDE life will be able to go as back to normal as possible

I suspect deep state does want to go masks for everyone as it would derail their facial recognition /control plans

[boutons_deux]

Health officials rebelling against Trump for pulling them off COVID-19 research to go on ‘wild goose chases’

Donald Trump is angering officials in Health and Human Services department for

pulling them off important research aimed at developing a vaccine for COVID-19 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/trump-malaria-coronavirus-152498)

to study anti-malaria drugs

he believes may end the pandemic.

. “The White House directed health officials to set up a project to track if the antimalarial drugs chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine show promise —

a dayslong effort that distracted from urgent tasks like trials of other medicines thought to have more potential against the virus.”

“The White House is also pressuring Medicare officials to pay for unproven treatments being given to desperate patients during a pandemic,”

“We have no idea if this works, and the evidence suggests it doesn’t.”

a White House request to see “how to reimburse doctors for prescribing chloroquine to patients searching for a coronavirus treatment,” criticizing the plan by stating,

“They’re basically creating a perverse incentive for physicians to use an unapproved therapy.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/health-officials-rebelling-against-trump-for-pulling-them-off-covid-19-vaccine-research-to-go-on-wild-goose-chases-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4135

All y'all's ignorant, stupid, simplistic motherfucker thinks he's found the single silver bullet for reelection.

[Splits]

oh also EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR A MASK OUTSIDE

thats key

unless government and jobs can provide everyone with masks (even surgical masks are ok) and make it a requiement, we are toast

I will calm this one more time

the moment everyonerealizes we HAVE TO WEAR MASKS OUTSIDE life will be able to go as back to normal as possible

If you don't have a mask, Tennessee suggests you wear a diaper instead

1243910327491792898

[Winehole23]

Two headlines, 13 days apart:

1243211840253018112

[picnroll]

Health officials rebelling against Trump for pulling them off COVID-19 research to go on ‘wild goose chases’

Donald Trump is angering officials in Health and Human Services department for

pulling them off important research aimed at developing a vaccine for COVID-19 (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/trump-malaria-coronavirus-152498)

to study anti-malaria drugs

he believes may end the pandemic.

. “The White House directed health officials to set up a project to track if the antimalarial drugs chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine show promise —

a dayslong effort that distracted from urgent tasks like trials of other medicines thought to have more potential against the virus.”

“The White House is also pressuring Medicare officials to pay for unproven treatments being given to desperate patients during a pandemic,”

“We have no idea if this works, and the evidence suggests it doesn’t.”

a White House request to see “how to reimburse doctors for prescribing chloroquine to patients searching for a coronavirus treatment,” criticizing the plan by stating,

“They’re basically creating a perverse incentive for physicians to use an unapproved therapy.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/health-officials-rebelling-against-trump-for-pulling-them-off-covid-19-vaccine-research-to-go-on-wild-goose-chases-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4135

All y'all's ignorant, stupid, simplistic motherfucker thinks he's found the single silver bullet for reelection.



NYC probably doing the chloraquin study to appease the orange idiot just to curry favor and get aide. This dipshit is Nero playing the fiddle while the country burns.

[Winehole23]

oh also EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR A MASK OUTSIDE

thats key

unless government and jobs can provide everyone with masks (even surgical masks are ok) and make it a requiement, we are toast

I will call this one more time:

the moment everyonerealizes we HAVE TO WEAR MASKS OUTSIDE life will be able to go as back to normal as possible

I suspect deep state does want to go masks for everyone as it would derail their facial recognition /control plansWhose advice is that besides yours?

Honest question, I've heard zip about masking up before going outside.

[pgardn]

Guy barely has 5th grade level reading skills and yet he’s an expert on scientific data. Must be nice

Birx apparently understands what others do about Trump. You can cross him for being an idiot and then completely change what he has said. But after this you better damn well praise him. He is, a spoiled child.

After the idiot is out of power and people have a chance to come clean, the shame of the obstinate free supporters... nah... they will deny the backed him. So much embarrassment.

[Winehole23]

When was the last time NYC ran out of space at the morgue because of the seasonal flu?

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-25/morgue-space-in-virus-hit-nyc-boosted-with-45-cooler-trucks

[pgardn]

oh also EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR A MASK OUTSIDE

thats key

unless government and jobs can provide everyone with masks (even surgical masks are ok) and make it a requiement, we are toast

I will call this one more time:

the moment everyonerealizes we HAVE TO WEAR MASKS OUTSIDE life will be able to go as back to normal as possible

I suspect deep state does want to go masks for everyone as it would derail their facial recognition /control plans

After all, this is a US-Israeli produced virus.
Hater and TGY figured this out from the beginning.
The board has not taken hater’s impeccable logic and suffered the dire consequences.

The consequences of hater going merrily along his way to another bizarre conspiracy.

[pgardn]

oh also EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR A MASK OUTSIDE

thats key

unless government and jobs can provide everyone with masks (even surgical masks are ok) and make it a requiement, we are toast

I will call this one more time:

the moment everyonerealizes we HAVE TO WEAR MASKS OUTSIDE life will be able to go as back to normal as possible

I suspect deep state does want to go masks for everyone as it would derail their facial recognition /control plans

After all, this is a US-Israeli produced virus.
Hater and TGY figured this out from the beginning.
The board has not taken hater’s impeccable logic and suffered the dire consequences.

The consequences of hater going merrily along his way to another bizarre conspiracy.

[Thread]

Birx apparently understands what others do about Trump. You can cross him for being an idiot and then completely change what he has said. But after this you better damn well praise him. He is, a spoiled child.

After the idiot is out of power and people have a chance to come clean, the shame of the obstinate free supporters... nah... they will deny the backed him. So much embarrassment.

Of course (they) will. Aside from the base (they) hate him just as much as their Dem counterparts. (Both) want it like it used to be= tired old shit bag way of doing things.

[hater]

Albania under FORCED QUARANTINE

only 1 person per household allowed to leave just to get groceries

you cant even walk your pet

governments going extreme

https://twitter.com/jonida91/status/1243325962198175749?s=21

[Thread]

After all, this is a US-Israeli produced virus.
Hater and TGY figured this out from the beginning.
The board has not taken hater’s impeccable logic and suffered the dire consequences.

The consequences of hater going merrily along his way to another bizarre conspiracy.

Which reminds me:::Netanyaho is going to end up on top once again. Just an aside in the papers about it a few days ago...

MSM doesn't want to stipulate to it in broad daylight...like they didn't want to stipulate to Boris succeeding on Brexit. Boris getting Corona'd, yes, loud & clear, Boris ramming Brexit thru, no. Uh, uh.

[Reck]

New York residents are fleeing for staten Island, basically a heaven.

I just hope they dont flood my borought after military police are sending those fools away.

[Thread]

Albania under FORCED QUARANTINE

only 1 person per household allowed to leave just to get groceries

you cant even walk your pet

governments going extreme

https://twitter.com/jonida91/status/1243325962198175749?s=21

I'd love to see that here, with National Guard, U.S. Military in the streets with those M-16 clutched. Just to see, just to see how CNN/MSM would cover it.

[hater]

conspiracy theory? its fucking logic. if u force ppl to stay home and they have no food or $ they will get mad and come out

pretty fucking simple logic

:lol urinegarden

[picnroll]

Wonder who will ultimately profit the most from this, China or Trump. What a fucked up world we live in.

[TimDunkem]

Sec. Azar with a sneak peek at the CDC's new propagandistic tack: back to work, plebes!

1243732571600629760

Fuck. This isn't going to get better anytime soon, huh?

[Thread]

Wonder who will ultimately profit the most from this, China or Trump. What a fucked up world we live in.

It'll be okay, sweetheart, come November if you win. Then you'll quit fucking bitching!

[hater]

this is gonna be a bloodbath

https://twitter.com/disabilityinsdr/status/1243884752400244737?s=21

Japan finally testing ppl after their precious olympics were postponed

[Reck]

One small country to look out for is the Dominican Republic. Cases are starting to add up over there and already 30 dead.

[Bynumite]

Called it.

[Thread]

Called it.

I thought hater called it. He calls everything.

[boutons_deux]

Wonder who will ultimately profit the most from this, China or Trump. What a fucked up world we live in.

China will eventually ascend to the top spot as the oligarchy and Capitalism continue to crush America, eg,

self-dealing stimulus bill is "Enrich the Enrich again for fucking up up again"

while telling the non-rich "we care, here's your IRS shell game. Be grateful"

[Thread]

China will eventually ascend to the top spot as the oligarchy and Capitalism continue to crush America, eg,

self-dealing stimulus bill is "Enrich the Enrich again for fucking up up again"

while telling the non-rich "we care, here's your IRS shell game. Be grateful"

Only if the old man wins re-election...then China remains "king of the hill, top of the heap, A#1."

If he loses then we'll be the Big Kahuna once & again, respected all over the one world.

Funny how that works, huh, bouts?

[pgardn]

Which reminds me:::Netanyaho is going to end up on top once again. Just an aside in the papers about it a few days ago...

MSM doesn't want to stipulate to it in broad daylight...like they didn't want to stipulate to Boris succeeding on Brexit. Boris getting Corona'd, yes, loud & clear, Boris ramming Brexit thru, no. Uh, uh.

What you read and what I read are totally different.

Brexit is officially done but very few rules lay in place ie GB still has no clear plan (Trump health care biggest bestest errr No) They still have so many rules to make. Succeeding? No. Actually the virus night help to solidify some of the travel rules. In any event all parties involved suffered tremendous economic problems that were not necessary. More to come.

Netanahu is in place but still has serious legal problems. The virus will contain those problems.

The summaries I have written above all from NY times, WaPo, The Guardiam, WSJ, Haaretz.
My MSM Some left leaning some right. Haaretz is probably the most left leaning as they think the Palestinians have rights.
So I don’t get your accusations that you can’t find this? You wont see it if you just watch FOX OR CNN. But then you have chosen to be entertained, not informed.

Winehole is a good source of other sites that have articles addressing particular subjects, you should thank him.

[hater]

Russia locks down their border :wow

In AND Out

nobody can leave :wow

WW7?

[DMC]

I thought hater called it. He calls everything.

You'd think he'd play the lottery.

[Bynumite]

I thought hater called it. He calls everything.

He didn't. It was ME.

[Bynumite]

Russia locks down their border :wow

In AND Out

nobody can leave :wow

WW7?

What a call :wow

[hater]

https://twitter.com/michaelcoudrey/status/1243827789536452613?s=21

[pgardn]

Of course (they) will. Aside from the base (they) hate him just as much as their Dem counterparts. (Both) want it like it used to be= tired old shit bag way of doing things.

So you like the new exciting way. A narcissistic liar who we lacks any consistency, accuracy, or leadership ?
I will give you it is entertainment, but especially right now, give me Obama back please.

The looming concern I have is the wealth gap grew under Obama and has continued a stronger pattern under Trump.
The middle class, whatever your definition, seems to be a thing of the past and to me this is very dangerous.
The bottom 50% of our taxpayers paid 3% of our taxes. The top 50% earners paid 97% of our taxes.

Seriously, wtf?
This is a diseased pattern that the orange man was making worse, even with his tax breaks to stimulate (pocketed and hidden)
If half of our nation becomes people without a real reason to care because it just does not matter economically?
If half of the people in our nation have no skins in the game they will not care about anything concerning a democratic system.

[Thread]

Yesterday Girl made me:::

A cornbread.
Brownies.
Cooked chocolate pudding.
Peanut butter cookies.
Grn bean casserole.
Ham hocks & beans slow cooked for 12 hours.
10lbs of mashed potatoes, real potatoes boiled, then mashed.

Today she's making deviled eggs & a pork loin roast.

[pgardn]

Yesterday Girl made me:::

A cornbread.
Brownies.
Cooked chocolate pudding.
Peanut butter cookies.
Grn bean casserole.
Ham hocks & beans slow cooked for 12 hours.
10lbs of mashed potatoes, real potatoes boiled, then mashed.

Today she's making deviled eggs & a pork loin roast.

Please get some safe exercise.
And then invite me to your house to eat.

Im getting fish I caught from our gulf. And deer shot from our land (bartered for because I dont hunt but the buddies want fish)
Its good. But at this point I want more fresh vegetables that are not starches.

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Rhode Island police began stopping cars with New York plates Friday. On Saturday, the National Guard will help them conduct house-to-house searches to find people who traveled from New York and demand 14 days of self-quarantine.
“Right now we have a pinpointed risk,” Governor Gina Raimondo said. “That risk is called New York City.”
New York is the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., on Friday reporting a total of 44,000 cases.



Rhode Island has just over 200, and it has begun an aggressive campaign to keep the virus out and New Yorkers contained, over objections from civil liberties advocates.
Raimondo, a Democrat, said she had consulted lawyers and said while she couldn’t close the border, she felt confident she could enforce a quarantine.
Seaside Retreat
Many New Yorkers have summer houses in Rhode Island, especially in tony Newport, and the governor said the authorities would be checking there.
“Yesterday I announced and today I reiterated: Anyone coming to Rhode Island in any way from New York must be quarantined,” the governor said. “By order. Will be enforced. Enforceable by law.”



Raimondo signed an executive order Thursday that applies to anyone who has been in New York during the past two weeks and through at least April 25. It doesn’t apply to public health, public safety, or health-care workers.
National Guard members will be stationed at the T.F. Green airport, Amtrak train stations and at bus stops. The citizen-soldiers will be following up with people at local residences. The maximum penalty for not complying: a fine of $500 and 90 days in prison.



The local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union blasted the new rules, objecting to the collection of motorists’ contact information in particular.
“While the Governor may have the power to suspend some state laws and regulations to address this medical emergency, she cannot suspend the Constitution,” Rhode Island ACLU executive director Steven Brown said in a statement. “Under the Fourth Amendment, having a New York state license plate simply does not, and cannot, constitute ‘probable cause’ to allow police to stop a car and interrogate the driver, no matter how laudable the goal of the stop may be.”



Police Stops
Just before 1 p.m. Friday, state police were set up on Interstate 95 northbound, at the rest stop closest to the Connecticut border. A mile or two before that, motorists could see signs ordering all New York passenger vehicles to pull over at the rest stop.
One trooper could be seen there, checking license plates as cars went by. At the stop itself, a number of officers were assembled around a tent, ready to question vehicle occupants.

[Winehole23]

Whose advice is that besides yours?

Honest question, I've heard zip about masking up before going outside.ah

CDC will ask people to don masks about the same time Trump urges Americans to go back to work and cease social distancing.

Pandemic prevention theater, like taking off your shoes and 3.5oz bottles of liquids at airport security checkpoints. Does little to nothing to enhance personal or public safety.

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[boutons_deux]

A mask that traps infection is now itself infected, and can infect you and your surfaces.

iow, there's NOTHING easy and simple in defending yourself against this shit.

[MannyIsGod]

ah

CDC will ask people to don masks about the same time Trump urges Americans to go back to work and cease social distancing.

Pandemic prevention theater, like taking off your shoes and 3.5oz bottles of liquids at airport security checkpoints. Does little to nothing to enhance personal or public safety.

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FYI CDC saying this is wrong.

[boutons_deux]

'We are the laughingstock of the country,'

Mississippi mayor laments after governor's deadly order

https://images.dailykos.com/images/643876/story_image/AP_19039796055719.jpg?1550184202

Gov. Tate Reeves issued an order overruling mayors and reopening many businesses.

Reeves has made his choice about what’s important, at least in the short term.

“There’s no question that the purpose of the order was to keep businesses open, which is good for the economy,”

“It’s definitely putting protections in place for the state’s economy.

The flipside is that it’s doing that

at the expense of human lives.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/27/1931761/--We-are-the-laughingstock-of-the-country-Mississippi-mayor-laments-after-governor-s-deadly-order?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/27/1931761/--We-are-the-laughingstock-of-the-country-Mississippi-mayor-laments-after-governor-s-deadly-order?detail=emaildkre)

[chunticakes]

Yesterday Girl made me:::

A cornbread.
Brownies.
Cooked chocolate pudding.
Peanut butter cookies.
Grn bean casserole.
Ham hocks & beans slow cooked for 12 hours.
10lbs of mashed potatoes, real potatoes boiled, then mashed.

Today she's making deviled eggs & a pork loin roast.

I've never tried cooked puddin'. What's it like, Dale? Yesterday Girl made me a sad sammich. :(

[Reck]

Good news/bad news here for NY

New cases have slowed down a good bit.

Bad news is deaths have increased by 200+ From 519 to 728 overall.

[Thread]

ah

CDC will ask people to don masks about the same time Trump urges Americans to go back to work and cease social distancing.

Pandemic prevention theater, like taking off your shoes and 3.5oz bottles of liquids at airport security checkpoints. Does little to nothing to enhance personal or public safety.

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Good one, Winester. Weird from the get-go about no need for masks,.. "Even could be counter productive, yes! We really can't explain why you don't need them, but, you don't."

[Thread]

Good news/bad news here for NY

New cases have slowed down a good bit.

Bad news is deaths have increased by 200+ From 519 to 728 overall.

That's gonna hurt on my wager with Splits.

[Thread]

I've never tried cooked puddin'. What's it like, Dale? Yesterday Girl made me a sad sammich. :(

Completely different experience. Nothing to compare it to---nothing like Instant. Out of this world, but, it's a process that can't be rushed. You have to slow cook it to a full boil without burning it. If you burn it, it's still edible, but, not near as quality. I burned many as a child where I first discovered it. I'd cook it before mother & father came home from work.

Melts-in-your-mouth.

[picnroll]

That's gonna hurt on my wager with Splits.

You might as well give up and write the check.

[Thread]

You might as well give up and write the check.

Not even 1/2 way to a thousand, picky. I'm at 400 a day, give or take. Just have to hold out thru Wednesday.

[chunticakes]

Completely different experience. Nothing to compare it to---nothing like Instant. Out of this world, but, it's a process that can't be rushed. You have to slow cook it to a full boil without burning it. If you burn it, it's still edible, but, not near as quality. I burned many as a child where I first discovered it. I'd cook it before mother & father came home from work.

Melts-in-your-mouth.

Nice, thanks! I'll try to make some this week.

[SnakeBoy]

FYI CDC saying this is wrong.

I won't be surprised if they do change their recommendation at some point if there is enough supply. Fact is actual N95 masks work, just not the surgical masks that are for a different purpose.

[hater]

ah

CDC will ask people to don masks about the same time Trump urges Americans to go back to work and cease social distancing.

Pandemic prevention theater, like taking off your shoes and 3.5oz bottles of liquids at airport security checkpoints. Does little to nothing to enhance personal or public safety.

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called it

damn Im good

[hater]

disagree whinehole

masks do provide protection. about 5x compared to no mask (thats surgical. N95 provides 90%+ protection)

AND biggest benefit is it really protects you from infecting others. if everyone wears a mask protection would increase tremendously

called it

glad CDC finally figured it out :tu

[hater]

oh also EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR A MASK OUTSIDE

thats key

unless government and jobs can provide everyone with masks (even surgical masks are ok) and make it a requiement, we are toast

I will call this one more time:

the moment everyonerealizes we HAVE TO WEAR MASKS OUTSIDE life will be able to go as back to normal as possible

I suspect deep state does want to go masks for everyone as it would derail their facial recognition /control plans

CALLED IT

[hater]

slam dunk

with these masks guidelines life will be back to relative normality in 3 months tops :tu

restaurants, ballgames and concerts will still be tough

you have to take the mask off to eat and ballgames are just too crowded

but everything else will be doable

[MannyIsGod]

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Long thread with a lot of caveats, but the first sign of a curve flattening in NYC. Still early, but this is a sign that the rate is slowing

[MannyIsGod]

What will be really interesting but really scary is how much our piecemeal efforts can slow this down. If it slows down, but still grows just at a lower rate, we're in a world of hurt. If our half assed measures work reasonably well, then that actually means we may be able to get back to normal sooner though.

I'm pretty skeptical of the latter, but I'm not an expert so w/e.

[hater]

900 die in Italy is today :(. another record

[midnightpulp]

1243944416475308032

Long thread with a lot of caveats, but the first sign of a curve flattening in NYC. Still early, but this is a sign that the rate is slowing

Let's hope.

[picnroll]

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Long thread with a lot of caveats, but the first sign of a curve flattening in NYC. Still early, but this is a sign that the rate is slowing
Just in time for Trash to consider a quarantine on movement.

[picnroll]

Trump pushes back against congressional oversight for $500 billion bailout fund

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/28/trump-pushes-back-against-congressional-oversight-for-500-billion-bailout-fund.html

[MannyIsGod]

Just in time for Trash to consider a quarantine on movement.

Yeah a quarantine when its already everywhere. Hilariously stupid. He's doing his mission accomplished photo op today too.

Best just to ignore him and focus on what the real leader like the governors are doing.

[Reck]

900 die in Italy is today :(. another record

Italy trying to hold our beer.

Went from being in the 70k mark for like 5 days to in the last day and a half now nearly 90k.

[picnroll]

Yeah a quarantine when its already everywhere. Hilariously stupid. He's doing his mission accomplished photo op today too.

Best just to ignore him and focus on what the real leader like the governors are doing.
Yep. Reality TV president doing his mission during the crisis, photo old and campaigning to get re-elected to feed his ego and line his pockets and for ultra-repugs to be able to carry on their mission of corrupting the countries legal system for another four years to brace against the coming storm.

[Reck]

Long thread with a lot of caveats, but the first sign of a curve flattening in NYC. Still early, but this is a sign that the rate is slowing


New York getting skulled fucked now. But at least we'll be the first or one of the first states to level this thing off.

Yes sir. Said this yesterday.

If tomorrow we get even less cases, then I think we're on track. Was today a fluke? Will be interesting to see. People here are definitely taking the stay home advice for real unlike many states where you see retards congregrating like it's a party.

[Blake]

If you don't have a mask, Tennessee suggests you wear a diaper instead

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Lol crazy times

[picnroll]

I have those exact swim googles. Work great ... at least for swimming.

[picnroll]

So here’s the way it works. NYC/NJ, NO, Michigan take it up the butt. Hopefully short term send as many newly sourced respirators as possible to those locations. Couple of months most people on respirators die or recovery. Eventually these sites have excess respirator capacity which starts getting reallocated around the country.

[Thread]

Nice, thanks! I'll try to make some this week.

Make sure to use Whole Milk, cc, not 1 or 2 percent. Makes a difference.

[Thread]

So here’s the way it works. NYC/NJ, NO, Michigan take it up the butt. Hopefully short term send as many newly sourced respirators as possible to those locations. Couple of months most people on respirators die or recovery. Eventually these sites have excess respirator capacity which starts getting reallocated around the country.

Beneath the breath NYC is at fault for celebrating Chinese New Year. Hundreds of thousands of people went in there & now it's coming back to haunt them.

[picnroll]

Beneath the breath NYC is at fault for celebrating Chinese New Year. Hundreds of thousands of people went in there & now it's coming back to haunt them.

Some people listened to Trash I guess. Thoughts most NYers we’re smarter.

[Splits]

Italy trying to hold our beer.

Went from being in the 70k mark for like 5 days to in the last day and a half now nearly 90k.

multiply Italy's numbers by 4, that's where NYC/NJ will be in 12-13 days

[Thread]

Some people listened to Trash I guess. Thoughts most NYers we’re smarter.

If that were the case MSM/CNN would be shouting that from the roof tops. Nary a word, picky.

The old picky!!!

[Thread]

multiply Italy's numbers by 4, that's where NYC/NJ will be in 12-13 days

It's gonna be close, Splits, but, I think I'm going to make it.

[Thread]

multiply Italy's numbers by 4, that's where NYC/NJ will be in 12-13 days

...as long as it ain't by Wednesday.

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Rhode Island police began stopping cars with New York plates Friday. On Saturday, the National Guard will help them conduct house-to-house searches to find people who traveled from New York and demand 14 days of self-quarantine.
“Right now we have a pinpointed risk,” Governor Gina Raimondo said. “That risk is called New York City.”
New York is the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S., on Friday reporting a total of 44,000 cases.



Rhode Island has just over 200, and it has begun an aggressive campaign to keep the virus out and New Yorkers contained, over objections from civil liberties advocates.
Raimondo, a Democrat, said she had consulted lawyers and said while she couldn’t close the border, she felt confident she could enforce a quarantine.
Seaside Retreat
Many New Yorkers have summer houses in Rhode Island, especially in tony Newport, and the governor said the authorities would be checking there.
“Yesterday I announced and today I reiterated: Anyone coming to Rhode Island in any way from New York must be quarantined,” the governor said. “By order. Will be enforced. Enforceable by law.”



Raimondo signed an executive order Thursday that applies to anyone who has been in New York during the past two weeks and through at least April 25. It doesn’t apply to public health, public safety, or health-care workers.
National Guard members will be stationed at the T.F. Green airport, Amtrak train stations and at bus stops. The citizen-soldiers will be following up with people at local residences. The maximum penalty for not complying: a fine of $500 and 90 days in prison.



The local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union blasted the new rules, objecting to the collection of motorists’ contact information in particular.
“While the Governor may have the power to suspend some state laws and regulations to address this medical emergency, she cannot suspend the Constitution,” Rhode Island ACLU executive director Steven Brown said in a statement. “Under the Fourth Amendment, having a New York state license plate simply does not, and cannot, constitute ‘probable cause’ to allow police to stop a car and interrogate the driver, no matter how laudable the goal of the stop may be.”



Police Stops
Just before 1 p.m. Friday, state police were set up on Interstate 95 northbound, at the rest stop closest to the Connecticut border. A mile or two before that, motorists could see signs ordering all New York passenger vehicles to pull over at the rest stop.
One trooper could be seen there, checking license plates as cars went by. At the stop itself, a number of officers were assembled around a tent, ready to question vehicle occupants.



The old man is going to cut off NYC.

He can use Rhode Island as his permission. Their Highway Patrol are hunting New Yorkers door-to-door, car-to-car.

[Reck]

multiply Italy's numbers by 4, that's where NYC/NJ will be in 12-13 days

lol keep it in your pants and relax man

[Splits]

lol keep it in your pants and relax man

Or your little pansy ass could bookmark it and show me when I'm wrong (which is basically never, I own the world's top AI/ML covid model)

[Splits]

...as long as it ain't by Wednesday.

Notice how these days seem so long? I claim 2 weeks, you look at your watch, "fuck, it's only 36 hours, how the fuck is Splits so accurate?"

[Thread]

Notice how these days seem so long? I claim 2 weeks, you look at your watch, "fuck, it's only 36 hours, how the fuck is Splits so accurate?"

I know. The days used to fly by. Now they crawl.

I could still win though. The # hasn't went haywire yet.

A steady climb I can still get away with.

[Thread]

[[[Seaside Retreat
Many New Yorkers have summer houses in Rhode Island, especially in tony Newport, and the governor said the authorities would be checking there.
“Yesterday I announced and today I reiterated: Anyone coming to Rhode Island in any way from New York must be quarantined,” the governor said. “By order. Will be enforced. Enforceable by law.”]]]

Rhode Island ain't fucking around.

[Splits]

I know. The days used to fly by. Now they crawl.

I could still win though. The # hasn't went haywire yet.

A steady climb I can still get away with.

You're buried

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5XWew15_k4

[hater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5XWew15_k4

“There will not be a wonder drug for this.” - Dear Dr. Facci

[midnightpulp]

The Imperial folks revised their total again.


Britain is on course for an estimated 5,700 deaths from coronavirus, far lower than originally predicted, experts believe.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-lockdown-is-on-course-to-reduce-total-death-rate-3gn7hfjzk

Paywall, but you can see the brief intro.

[MannyIsGod]

The Imperial folks revised their total again.



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-lockdown-is-on-course-to-reduce-total-death-rate-3gn7hfjzk

Paywall, but you can see the brief intro.

The imperial folks never once revised their forecast. The author came out and said as much on twitter. It was linked in this thread.

[MannyIsGod]

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[MannyIsGod]

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[midnightpulp]

The imperial folks never once revised their forecast. The author came out and said as much on twitter. It was linked in this thread.

I saw it yesterday. Don't you think the primary issue with that model was they were basing their forecasts on the Wuhan data (i.e. 60 million infected/3 million dead at Wuhan's 4 percent CFR)? MANY epidemiologists have flatly stated that the CFR is much, much lower due to mild/asymptomatic cases never being reported. The Iceland study confirmed about half their positives were asymptomatic.

https://futurism.com/neoscope/half-coronavirus-carriers-no-symptoms

Germany is thought to have the best mix of mild to severe positives in their data set. Their CFR is .7. You'll no doubt ream me again, but my main issue here is just how blindly the Imperial study is taken as gospel when it was working off on outdated data set. Not sure how you can disagree with that.

[MannyIsGod]

The math for the UK staying under 5700 deaths is pretty fucking bad. They're on pace to hit that total in less than two weeks. To avoid that total, they would have to peak right now, then level off and start decreasing ASAP. Seems incredibly unlikely. Given they started the social distancing after most of our country did.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5XWew15_k4Weren't the lupus/malaria drugs 100% effective?

What happened to those?

[MannyIsGod]

I saw it yesterday. Don't you think the primary issue with that model was they were basing their forecasts on the Wuhan data (i.e. 60 million infected/3 million dead at Wuhan's 4 percent CFR)? MANY epidemiologists have flatly stated that the CFR is much, much lower due to mild/asymptomatic cases never being reported. The Iceland study confirmed about half their positives were asymptomatic.

https://futurism.com/neoscope/half-coronavirus-carriers-no-symptoms

Germany is thought to have the best mix of mild to severe positives in their data set. Their CFR is .7. You'll no doubt ream me again, but my main issue here is just how blindly the Imperial study is taken as gospel when it was working off on outdated data set. Not sure how you can disagree with that.

I have no idea what is right or wrong with their model because I am not an epidemiologist and I have no idea what goes into epidemiological models. I'm going to anticipate that the author himself has a much better understanding of how his model works and I'll refer to him as opposed to anyone else on what his estimates are. As for the validity of the model itself, I've definitely seen criticism of it, along with every other model, online, but I have no idea what is valid as I am not an expert in these models so I have no idea who's right and who's wrong. What I have seen is that the epidemiological community I've been reading hasn't dismissed it out of hand. Even when critical of certain aspects, many have pointed it out it - and other models - have value. This I understand because modeling in my field and in atmospheric science comes with many caveats but the models are still incredibly useful given you know how to interpret them.

My point is that I'm not going to play armchair epidemiologist when I can listen to epidemiologists instead and just go off of what they say. I have no idea what the CFR is, and the epidemiologists I've been reading have been giving a range from .5% to 3% so I'm going to assume that is a valid range because the experts say so. Trying to nail it down more is, IMO, a fools exercise and provides no real value. YMMV.

[Winehole23]

Pepe Escobar highlights the PRC's spin (hybrid war attack by the USA) with geopolitical broad strokes, like they do at Consortium News.

Repost =/= Agreement. It's interesting as a contrary narrative and a keyhole view of the PRC's POV.


Beijing is carefully, incrementally shaping the narrative that, from the beginning of the coronavirus attack, the leadership knew it was under a hybrid war attack.

The terminology of President Xi Jinping is a major clue. He said, on the record, that this was war. And, as a counter-attack, a “people’s war” had to be launched.

Moreover, he described the virus as a demon or devil. Xi is a Confucianist. Unlike some other ancient Chinese thinkers, Confucius was loath to discuss supernatural forces and judgment in the afterlife. However, in a Chinese cultural context, devil means “white devils” or “foreign devils”: guailo in Mandarin, gweilo in Cantonese. This was Xi delivering a powerful statement in code.


China’s President Xi Jinping visits Wuhan community, meets residents and frontline workers, March 10, 2020. (YouTube)

When Zhao Lijian, a spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, voiced in an incandescent tweet the possibility that “it might be US Army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan” – the first blast to this effect to come from a top official – Beijing was sending up a trial balloon signaling that the gloves were finally off. Zhao Lijian made a direct connection with the Military Games in Wuhan in October 2019, which included a delegation of 300 U.S. military.

He directly quoted U.S. CDC Director Robert Redfield who, when asked last week whether some deaths by Coronavirus had been discovered posthumously in the U.S., replied that “some cases have actually been diagnosed this way in the U.S. today.”

Zhao’s explosive conclusion is that COVID-19 was already in effect in the U.S. before being identified in Wuhan – due to the by now fully documented inability of the U.S. to test and verify differences compared with the flu.

Adding all that to the fact that coronavirus genome variations in Iran and Italy were sequenced and it was revealed they do not belong to the variety that infected Wuhan, Chinese media are now openly asking questions and drawing a connection with the shutting down in August last year of the “unsafe” military bioweapon lab at Fort Detrick, the Military Games, and the Wuhan epidemic. Some of these questions had been asked– with no response – inside the U.S. itself.

Extra questions linger about the opaque Event 201 in New York on October 18, 2019: a rehearsal for a worldwide pandemic caused by a deadly virus – which happened to be coronavirus. This magnificent coincidence happened one month before the outbreak in Wuhan.

Event 201 was sponsored by Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Economic Forum (WEF), the CIA, Bloomberg, John Hopkins Foundation and the UN. The World Military Games opened in Wuhan on the exact same day.

Irrespective of its origin, which is still not conclusively established, as much as Trump tweets about the “Chinese virus,” COVID-19 already poses immensely serious questions about biopolitics (where’s Foucault when we need him?) and bio-terror.

The working hypothesis of coronavirus as a very powerful but not Armageddon-provoking bio-weapon unveils it as a perfect vehicle for widespread social control — on a global scapehttps://consortiumnews.com/2020/03/18/china-locked-in-hybrid-war-with-us/

[midnightpulp]

^ He didn't seem to account for it in the estimates because the initial figure that had everybody freaked out was the 60 million/3 million, which was projected from Wuhan's 81K/3200 (4 percent CFR). He, nor anyone else, has any idea how many mild and asymptomatic cases exist that were never tested. The Germany data (0.7 CFR) and Iceland data (0.2 CFR) are way more accurate in this case. If we split the difference, the CFR could be around .5, so the "if we do nothing scenario" would result in 300K deaths. And yes that is still very troubling, but nowhere near the apocalyptic scenario of 3 million dead.

[midnightpulp]

I have no idea what is right or wrong with their model because I am not an epidemiologist and I have no idea what goes into epidemiological models. I'm going to anticipate that the author himself has a much better understanding of how his model works and I'll refer to him as opposed to anyone else on what his estimates are. As for the validity of the model itself, I've definitely seen criticism of it, along with every other model, online, but I have no idea what is valid as I am not an expert in these models so I have no idea who's right and who's wrong. What I have seen is that the epidemiological community I've been reading hasn't dismissed it out of hand. Even when critical of certain aspects, many have pointed it out it - and other models - have value. This I understand because modeling in my field and in atmospheric science comes with many caveats but the models are still incredibly useful given you know how to interpret them.

My point is that I'm not going to play armchair epidemiologist when I can listen to epidemiologists instead and just go off of what they say. I have no idea what the CFR is, and the epidemiologists I've been reading have been giving a range from .5% to 3% so I'm going to assume that is a valid range because the experts say so. Trying to nail it down more is, IMO, a fools exercise and provides no real value. YMMV.

Yes, we're spitting in the wind here until we get more reliable data.

I know it seems I might be doing that, but I'm simply relating the information I've read from other epidemiologists. I'm just the messenger. And just because we're not experts doesn't mean we can't use logic and critical thinking from the information they're giving us to draw a conclusion. The Iceland study could prove groundbreaking, revealing a CFR around flu levels. But of course, their sample size is rather small. So I'm just trying to piece all this disparate information together and see the different possibilities.

[Thread]

Weren't the lupus/malaria drugs 100% effective?

What happened to those?

They've been applied, waiting the results.

[picnroll]

I saw it yesterday. Don't you think the primary issue with that model was they were basing their forecasts on the Wuhan data (i.e. 60 million infected/3 million dead at Wuhan's 4 percent CFR)? MANY epidemiologists have flatly stated that the CFR is much, much lower due to mild/asymptomatic cases never being reported. The Iceland study confirmed about half their positives were asymptomatic.

https://futurism.com/neoscope/half-coronavirus-carriers-no-symptoms

Germany is thought to have the best mix of mild to severe positives in their data set. Their CFR is .7. You'll no doubt ream me again, but my main issue here is just how blindly the Imperial study is taken as gospel when it was working off on outdated data set. Not sure how you can disagree with that.

Any data in mortality rate has to take into account availability or respirators. For this reason I doubt you’ll be able to equate Germany’s mortality to the US, particularly NYC.

[DarrinS]

Weren't the lupus/malaria drugs 100% effective?

What happened to those?


Those are still being used. Just thought the Canadian trial sounded interesting.

[Winehole23]

Weren't the lupus/malaria drugs 100% effective?

What happened to those?Will the quest for a magic bullet cause Trump to lift the embargo?


Cuba has mobilized its medical corps around the world to distribute a new "wonder drug" that officials there say is capable of treating the new coronavirus despite the United States' strict sanctions that continue to pressure the communist-run island.

The drug, called Interferon Alpha-2B Recombinant (IFNrec), is jointly developed by scientists from Cuba and China, where the coronavirus COVID-19 disease outbreak first emerged late last year. Already active in China since January, the Cuban Medical Brigades began deploying to dozens of nations, providing personnel and products such as its new anti-viral drug to battle the disease that has exceeded 400,000 confirmed cases across the globe. As of Tuesday, over 100,000 people have recovered from the infection and more than 18,000 have died.


Cuba first used advanced interferon techniques to treat dengue fever in the 1980s and later found success in using it to combat HIV, human papillomavirus, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis C and other diseases. The use of Interferon Alpha-2B Recombinant "prevents aggravation and complications in patients reaching that stage that ultimately can result in death," Cuban biotech expert Luis Herrera Martinez said, according to a recent Yale University Press Blog feature written by the University of Glasgow's Helen Yaffe. She called the treatment a potential "wonder drug" against the new coronavirus.
https://www.newsweek.com/cuba-drug-fight-coronavirus-us-sanctions-1493872

[Winehole23]

nah, probably not

[Sheriff Hoyt]

They've been applied, waiting the results.
The deaths in NY are mounting up.

[midnightpulp]

The math for the UK staying under 5700 deaths is pretty fucking bad. They're on pace to hit that total in less than two weeks. To avoid that total, they would have to peak right now, then level off and start decreasing ASAP. Seems incredibly unlikely. Given they started the social distancing after most of our country did.

That's what I was getting at yesterday. Ferguson instantly revised the UK's total death count from 500K to 20K nearly immediately after the lockdown (how does he know the effort is having an effect that soon?). Now it's further revised down to 5700. For the "leading expert" and "world renown" adjectives thrown toward him and his team, he seems to be doing an awful lot of dart throwing.

I'm not trying to Dinning-Krueger, but from all the expert opinion I've read, Ferguson's extrapolations seem to be the most arbitrary. That's my issue with him still being hailed as the authority here.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes, we're spitting in the wind here until we get more reliable data.

I know it seems I might be doing that, but I'm simply relating the information I've read from other epidemiologists. I'm just the messenger. And just because we're not experts doesn't mean we can't use logic and critical thinking from the information they're giving us to draw a conclusion. The Iceland study could prove groundbreaking, revealing a CFR around flu levels. But of course, their sample size is rather small. So I'm just trying to piece all this disparate information together and see the different possibilities.


Dude, its not about logic and/or critical thinking. Its about not understanding the principles that govern models and or CFR estimates when you don't know what those are or how they work. I just don't know that. If you feel comfortable about doing that, then by all means continue but (and this isn't me trying to be rude or snide) its not like I'm taking anything you say bout CFR as anything close to authoritative. I'm going to keep listening to the experts.

I feel comfortable talking about exponential growth and what the trends and math show because its actually super close to research I've done int he past. Exponential functions are a large part of chemical reactions. But the models that deal with human behavior, viral spread, and the subsequent human toll? I have no idea where to begin on those because I know jack shit about them.

I see this all the time as a scientist. People who don't understand things always try to pick it apart. Happens all the fucking time with climate change. I'm not going to do what I hate people doing to me to another scientist in their field. Have at it if you want.

I'm trying to piece things together too. But I just take experts at their word. And honestly, the vast majority that I see are agreeing with each other. I haven't seen very much if any disagreement even when I see critical communication.

[midnightpulp]

Any data in mortality rate has to take into account availability or respirators. For this reason I doubt you’ll be able to equate Germany’s mortality to the US, particularly NYC.

Sure, many factors can contribute. Age and health of the population, health care response, etc. I think everyone just wants to know the true lethality of this virus as it relates to the demographics and healthcare infrastructure of the US. The current 1.5 is probably lower due to the non-count of mild and asymptomatic cases. So I guess we'll have to hang our hate on that for the time being.

[picnroll]

The deaths in NY are mounting up.

Takes me back to the Vietnam war when every night On the news they’d show the days US casualties and the fictisiouly elevated Viet Cong casualties

[monosylab1k]

https://twitter.com/bradleywhitford/status/1243726201450934273?s=21

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/bradleywhitford/status/1243726201450934273?s=21

Prolly got the narcissism from his dad, tbh

[ChumpDumper]

Pepe Escobar highlights the PRC's spin (hybrid war attack by the USA) with geopolitical broad strokes, like they do at Consortium News.

Repost =/= Agreement. It's interesting as a contrary narrative and a keyhole view of the PRC's POV.
https://consortiumnews.com/2020/03/18/china-locked-in-hybrid-war-with-us/Yeah, it's more a CYA tactic than a warfare strategy IMO (most leaders who shit the bed like Trump are doing the same thing) but if it makes the Chinese and others hate the US more, Xi won't mind at all.

[MannyIsGod]

That's what I was getting at yesterday. Ferguson instantly revised the UK's total death count from 500K to 20K nearly immediately after the lockdown (how does he know the effort is having an effect that soon?). Now it's further revised down to 5700. For the "leading expert" and "world renown" adjectives thrown toward him and his team, he seems to be doing an awful lot of dart throwing.

I'm not trying to Dinning-Krueger, but from all the expert opinion I've read, Ferguson's extrapolations seem to be the most arbitrary. That's my issue with him still being hailed as the authority here.

He. Never. Revised. The. Estimate.

He initially said, hey if you don't do shit 500k might die, but if you do this social distancing stuff you might get the death total down to 20k. Well, the UK did the latter, so of course they're on path for a lower estimate. But that's not a revision. That's the initial forecast! I've seen nothing where he's said about a forecast lower than 20k but I have him reaffirm that initial mark based on his model. Not sure why you are bring up that ~6k mark.

And I for one, have never hailed any one single expert as the authority. Or a single model. That's foolish. Take the aggregate. Use the models appropriately for what they do best (which frankly, I have no idea with these things as its not my field).

All that being said, I'd be willing to bet money on an over for that 6k mark in the UK.

[midnightpulp]

Dude, its not about logic and/or critical thinking. Its about not understanding the principles that govern models and or CFR estimates when you don't know what those are or how they work. I just don't know that. If you feel comfortable about doing that, then by all means continue but (and this isn't me trying to be rude or snide) its not like I'm taking anything you say bout CFR as anything close to authoritative. I'm going to keep listening to the experts.

I feel comfortable talking about exponential growth and what the trends and math show because its actually super close to research I've done int he past. Exponential functions are a large part of chemical reactions. But the models that deal with human behavior, viral spread, and the subsequent human toll? I have no idea where to begin on those because I know jack shit about them.

I see this all the time as a scientist. People who don't understand things always try to pick it apart. Happens all the fucking time with climate change. I'm not going to do what I hate people doing to me to another scientist in their field. Have at it if you want.

I'm trying to piece things together too. But I just take experts at their word. And honestly, the vast majority that I see are agreeing with each other. I haven't seen very much if any disagreement even when I see critical communication.

I feel you. I don't like this trend of distrusting experts that has been happening in US culture over the past decade. But I'll have to reiterate that I'm just echoing experts and doing a bit of theory. This article basically sums my point-of-view of the matter:


"Case fatality rates have been very confusing," says Dr. Steven Lawrence, an infectious disease expert and associate professor of medicine at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. "The numbers may look different even if the actual situation is the same."

So it's likely that the seemingly stark difference between Germany and Italy is misleading and will diminish as scientists get more data, Lawrence says.

But a much more likely scenario, he says, is that early in an outbreak, testing is limited to people who are so sick they wind up in the hospital. That means the only infections that get counted are in the people most likely to die. So the denominator is missing a huge number of infected people who survive, and that makes the virus appear much more deadly than it really is.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/821958435/why-death-rates-from-coronavirus-can-be-deceiving

[Winehole23]

He. Never. Revised. The. Estimate.

He initially said, hey if you don't do shit 500k might die, but if you do this social distancing stuff you might get the death total down to 20k. Well, the UK did the latter, so of course they're on path for a lower estimate. But that's not a revision. That's the initial forecast! I've seen nothing where he's said about a forecast lower than 20k but I have him reaffirm that initial mark based on his model. Not sure why you are bring up that ~6k mark.

And I for one, have never hailed any one single expert as the authority. Or a single model. That's foolish. Take the aggregate. Use the models appropriately for what they do best (which frankly, I have no idea with these things as its not my field).

All that being said, I'd be willing to bet money on an over for that 6k mark in the UK.it's kind of weird that MP seems to think that revising estimates based on changing evidence is bad science or discredits the researcher. I would guess nearly the opposite is true. The scientist who sticks with his initial opinion despite emerging evidence that disagrees, may not really be one.

[midnightpulp]

He. Never. Revised. The. Estimate.

He initially said, hey if you don't do shit 500k might die, but if you do this social distancing stuff you might get the death total down to 20k. Well, the UK did the latter, so of course they're on path for a lower estimate. But that's not a revision. That's the initial forecast! I've seen nothing where he's said about a forecast lower than 20k but I have him reaffirm that initial mark based on his model. Not sure why you are bring up that ~6k mark.

And I for one, have never hailed any one single expert as the authority. Or a single model. That's foolish. Take the aggregate. Use the models appropriately for what they do best (which frankly, I have no idea with these things as its not my field).

All that being said, I'd be willing to bet money on an over for that 6k mark in the UK.

I get it was in his initial forecast. I probably worded it wrong and don't mean he revised the model. My issue here is that he quickly went on record as to state the UK on the path toward 20K when the lockdown and social distancing just happened. How can he even know if those procedures are having an effect? Wouldn't "we'll have to wait and see in a week if the lockdown is bending the curve. We just don't know right now" be the more scientific response? Especially because these measures really on the population complying. The quick turnaround just seemed arbitrary to me. And I will always have an issue with the 500k number because that was extrapolated from the Wuhan situation.

[midnightpulp]

it's kind of weird that MP seems to think that revising estimates based on changing evidence is bad science or discredits the researcher. I would guess nearly the opposite is true. The scientist who sticks with his initial opinion despite emerging evidence that disagrees, may not really be one.

Not what I'm saying at all. He revised the estimate ONE DAY after the UK locked down. Do you think he has enough data from the effects of that lockdown to make a reliable estimate? And the UK really is just in a soft lockdown, meaning those efforts will have to rely on the population complying to social distance and stay home.

[MannyIsGod]

I get it was in his initial forecast. I probably worded it wrong and don't mean he revised the model. My issue here is that he quickly went on record as to state the UK on the path toward 20K when the lockdown and social distancing just happened. How can he even know if those procedures are having an effect? Wouldn't "we'll have to wait and see in a week if the lockdown is bending the curve. We just don't know right now" be the more scientific response? Especially because these measures really on the population complying. The quick turnaround just seemed arbitrary to me. And I will always have an issue with the 500k number because that was extrapolated from the Wuhan situation.

Because those were the initial assumptions in the model. That doesn't mean they're right, but in order to model anything you have to make assumptions (or have an understanding of what the consequences of an action/observation/choice are). This is my point entirely though. I have no idea if his assumptions are correct or wrong. I have no idea if the he's given this degree of social distancing the proper weight in the model. I am not qualified to question him on that. He might be wrong! I have no way of knowing.

It is arbitrary, but that decision is based on his expertise in the matter. These aren't physical models in the sense that they model fluid dynamics like an atmospheric model. They're behavioral models with a math component to model the viral spread. They're definitely arbitrary, but the decisions and assumptions have logical reasons backed by knowledge in the community that the experts have a grasp on but you and I have no real understanding of. Just because the decision is arbitrary doesn't mean its wrong (or right). Take it with a grain of salt.

This is why you won't see me once make a single numerical forecast on here in any specific sense. I've read ranges of possible outcomes, and I know that the current rates mean that we're going to see our medical systems overwhelmed because we have such little margin for error there, but I've never said we're going to have 1 million dead, or 500k dead or whatever because I have absolutely no idea. The experts have put out huge forecasts with big error bars, so that tells me they don't know very much on that front either. But they know enough to know that its bad. That's pretty much the bottom line for me.

[ChumpDumper]

Not what I'm saying at all. He revised the estimate ONE DAY after the UK locked down. Do you think he has enough data from the effects of that lockdown to make a reliable estimate?It's as if he's estimating what will happen before it happens. Projecting, if you will.

[Winehole23]

ah

CDC will ask people to don masks about the same time Trump urges Americans to go back to work and cease social distancing.

Pandemic prevention theater, like taking off your shoes and 3.5oz bottles of liquids at airport security checkpoints. Does little to nothing to enhance personal or public safety.

1243891663162019841Seems not.

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[midnightpulp]

Because those were the initial assumptions in the model. That doesn't mean they're right, but in order to model anything you have to make assumptions (or have an understanding of what the consequences of an action/observation/choice are). This is my point entirely though. I have no idea if his assumptions are correct or wrong. I have no idea if the he's given this degree of social distancing the proper weight in the model. I am not qualified to question him on that. He might be wrong! I have no way of knowing.

It is arbitrary, but that decision is based on his expertise in the matter. These aren't physical models in the sense that they model fluid dynamics like an atmospheric model. They're behavioral models with a math component to model the viral spread. They're definitely arbitrary, but the decisions and assumptions have logical reasons backed by knowledge in the community that the experts have a grasp on but you and I have no real understanding of. Just because the decision is arbitrary doesn't mean its wrong (or right). Take it with a grain of salt.

This is why you won't see me once make a single numerical forecast on here in any specific sense. I've read ranges of possible outcomes, and I know that the current rates mean that we're going to see our medical systems overwhelmed because we have such little margin for error there, but I've never said we're going to have 1 million dead, or 500k dead or whatever because I have absolutely no idea. The experts have put out huge forecasts with big error bars, so that tells me they don't know very much on that front either. But they know enough to know that its bad. That's pretty much the bottom line for me.

Great post, and no disagreement. I'm basically just relaying expert opinion that might operate on the lower bound of those assumptions because I think the upper bound projections of the Imperial Study, which the media have been hammering home, are scaring people. And I think it's prudent to balance that with more "optimistic" theories and projections.

[Mark Celibate]

Yesterday Girl made me:::

A cornbread.
Brownies.
Cooked chocolate pudding.
Peanut butter cookies.
Grn bean casserole.
Ham hocks & beans slow cooked for 12 hours.
10lbs of mashed potatoes, real potatoes boiled, then mashed.

Today she's making deviled eggs & a pork loin roast.

How have you and the missus held up during this?

tbh I have a feeling we're going to see both a baby boom in 9 months and a sh!t ton of divorces when this is all said and done

[pgardn]

Boston is bad. Hospitals running out of PPE.
Pediatric intensive care in one trying to sterilize equipment that should be easily replaced.
We are seeing some really bad spots, and some that have been left mercifully stable.

We need a national distribution center after this mess. The coordination is horrible state to state, city to city. And federally we got contradictions and excuses.

[CosmicCowboy]

NYC up to a corona death every ten minutes.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Wonder who will ultimately profit the most from this, China or Trump. What a fucked up world we live in.

:lol The same individuals who always profit from disaster


https://images-jpost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w1000/s/images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_JM_ArticleMainImageFaceDetect/455553

[Will Hunting]

:lmao

[slick'81]

Boston is bad. Hospitals running out of PPE.
Pediatric intensive care in one trying to sterilize equipment that should be easily replaced.
We are seeing some really bad spots, and some that have been left mercifully stable.

We need a national distribution center after this mess. The coordination is horrible state to state, city to city. And federally we got contradictions and excuses.


Testing is virtually non existent, and the usa is blinded and literally bleeding out now

[slick'81]

Boston is bad. Hospitals running out of PPE.
Pediatric intensive care in one trying to sterilize equipment that should be easily replaced.
We are seeing some really bad spots, and some that have been left mercifully stable.

We need a national distribution center after this mess. The coordination is horrible state to state, city to city. And federally we got contradictions and excuses.


Trump about to put ny,conneticut, and parts of nj into quarantine

[Mark Celibate]

Trump about to put ny,conneticut, and parts of nj into quarantine

And he's an idiot for announcing that he's "considering" it on Twitter. Gives people plenty of time to get the f*ck out of NYC and spread it elsewhere

[slick'81]

And he's an idiot for announcing that he's "considering" it on Twitter. Gives people plenty of time to get the f*ck out of NYC and spread it elsewhere

More then likely

[Winehole23]

:lol The same individuals who always profit from disaster


https://images-jpost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w1000/s/images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_JM_ArticleMainImageFaceDetect/455553JOO FLOO

[MannyIsGod]

Boston is bad. Hospitals running out of PPE.
Pediatric intensive care in one trying to sterilize equipment that should be easily replaced.
We are seeing some really bad spots, and some that have been left mercifully stable.

We need a national distribution center after this mess. The coordination is horrible state to state, city to city. And federally we got contradictions and excuses.

We have FEMA and the CDC. There was playbook to utilize the resources we have. But if the president won't use and keep those resources ready, then nothing we build or set up will do the job.

You can have the fastest car in the world but if you decide to drive it into a light pole you're not going to get anywhere. State and local govs doing what they can, but this is why we have a federal government. This exact type of situation.

[MannyIsGod]

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This data is so fucking hard to use because you have to chip away at it to find actual useful information.

[MannyIsGod]

And he's an idiot for announcing that he's "considering" it on Twitter. Gives people plenty of time to get the f*ck out of NYC and spread it elsewhere

So many people have already left. There are definitely poor people in Manhattan, but there's also a shit ton of people who have a shit ton of money and have second homes. But the point is moot. This shit is EVERYWHERE.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/_mansoor_ali/status/1243955468814422017?s=21

[Thread]

How have you and the missus held up during this?

tbh I have a feeling we're going to see both a baby boom in 9 months and a sh!t ton of divorces when this is all said and done

Fine. Gettin' along fabulous.

She received a cancer diagnosis 2 years ago that laid us low. I had no idea when she came around the corner and asked me to mute the television what was in store. She'd hid it for two weeks. She's since been undergoing treatment & has undergone two full body scans that are completely clean. She held me up to be honest at the start.

[DMC]

Fine. Gettin' along fabulous.

She received a cancer diagnosis 2 years ago that laid us low. I had no idea when she came around the corner and asked me to mute the television what was in store. She'd hid for two weeks. She's since been undergoing treatment & has undergone two full body scans that are completely clean. She held me up to be honest at the start.

Grim business Dale, really sorry to hear it but really glad to hear she's beating it. Hang in there.