Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

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good ol' boy selling the easy-peasy killing of captive animals for Macho Man Great White Hunters

Uvalde hunting ranch owner stands by controversial toilet paper-burning video

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Uvalde-hunting-ranch-owner-stands-by-15153947.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mysa_morningheadlines&utm_content=news&stn=nf (https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Uvalde-hunting-ranch-owner-stands-by-15153947.php?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mysa_morningheadlines&utm_content=news&stn=nf)

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Why Germany’s coronavirus death rate is so much lower than other countries’ rates
BERLIN —

For weeks, virologists here have been asked a persistent question: Why, compared to other countries, are so few of the Germans who are diagnosed with the coronavirus dying?

In Italy, 9.5 percent of the people who have tested positive for the virus have succumbed to covid-19, according to data compiled at Johns Hopkins University. In France, the rate is 4.3 percent. But in Germany, it’s 0.4 percent.
The biggest reason for the difference, infectious disease experts say, is Germany’s work in the early days of its outbreak to track, test and contain infection clusters. That means Germany has a truer picture of the size of its outbreak than places that test only the obviously symptomatic, most seriously ill or highest-risk patients.

“At the beginning, when we had relatively few cases, when it came to finding them and isolating them, we did quite well in Germany,” said Reinhard Busse, head of the department of health care management at the Berlin University of Technology. “That’s the major reason.”

Other factors, such as the age of those infected and the timing of Germany’s outbreak, also play a role in the differing death rates. But testing widely has been key. Germany, with 31,150 cases at midday Tuesday, appeared to have a larger outbreak than France, with 20,149. But the higher death rate in France implies there were more undiagnosed cases there. France’s outbreak could be larger than Germany’s.

Initially, at least, the country’s health authorities tracked infection clusters meticulously. When an individual tested positive, they used contact tracing to find other people with whom they had been in touch and then tested and quarantined them, which broke infection chains.

Christian Drosten, a virologist at the Charité hospital in Berlin, said he’s “firmly convinced” that Germany’s high diagnostic capacity had “secured us an extreme lead . . . in the detection of the epidemic.”

But he cautioned against complacency, and said the death rate would increase: “We are no exception.”
Epidemiologists say it’s important to look at Germany’s outbreak in two distinct phases. As community spread became prevalent, infection chains in some cases became impossible to trace. Some doctors said they had no choice but to send people seeking tests back home to call jammed coronavirus hotlines because they lacked protective equipment to conduct them safely.

With cases growing exponentially, health authorities have moved on to ordering social distancing and banning mass events. Federal states have restricted gatherings outside the home to a maximum of two people.

South Korea, which has been praised as a model for responding to the outbreak, has a death rate of 1.2 percent. Busse credits Germany’s lower rate to timing.

“In South Korea, there’s been a longer duration of infections, so we can’t really compare,” he said. “We have lots of newly positive cases. They didn’t have the chance to die yet.”

Busse said Germany is more comparable to Norway. The Scandinavian country is at a similar point in its outbreak, it’s also worked to test and contain cases, and it also has a death rate of 0.4 percent.

Whether Germany’s distancing measures will “flatten the curve” is not yet clear. Lothar Wieler, president of the federal agency responsible for disease control, was hopeful Monday that a period of exponential growth might be slowing, but cautioned that it was too early to say, given fluctuations in data. He said the picture should be clearer by Wednesday.
Germany’s initial testing criteria were no wider than Italy’s. People were tested if they had symptoms and had been to a risk area, or if they had contact with a confirmed case. But many initial cases had clear links to overseas travel.
The guidelines have since been expanded and testing has been boosted in recent weeks. The number tested jumped from 35,000 in the first week of March to 100,000 in the second, according to Germany’s medical association. The estimates don’t include tests conducted inside hospitals.

Epidemiologist Karl Lauterbach, a member of the German parliament, noted that the German outbreak started with large numbers of young people — “people who came back from holidays.”

The young have fared better with the coronavirus than the elderly. Italy’s initial outbreak struck at the heart of an aging population. Lauterbach said he expected Germany’s death rate to rise as more vulnerable segments of society are infected.
Because testing is not universal, and many people with the coronavirus might never be diagnosed, a true death rate is impossible to ascertain. But experts say the rate is likely to be significantly higher in countries such as Spain and Italy, where care is collapsing.

With more intensive care beds and ventilators than most other European nations and early measures to prevent the spread of the virus, Lauterbach said, he didn’t see Germany turning into Italy or Spain. Still, he has been advocating for wider restrictions.

“I think with all things considered, Germany will do reasonably well in this first round of a long fight,” he said.
Chris Mooney in Washington and Luisa Beck in Berlin contributed to this report.
Loveday Morris is The Washington Post's Berlin bureau chief. She was previously based in Jerusalem, Baghdad and Beirut for The Post.

Democracy Dies in Darkness
© 1996-2020 The Washington Post

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Decimating the entire "royal" family would be just

[Th'Pusher]

In the final measure, lawmakers agreed to a significant expansion of unemployment benefits that would extend unemployment insurance by 13 weeks and include a four-month enhancement of benefits, officials familiar with the unfinished agreement said. Democrats said that it would allow workers to maintain their full salaries if forced out of work as a result of the pandemic.

In the interim, lawmakers also agreed to provide $1,200 in direct payments that would apply equally to workers with incomes up to $75,000 per year before phasing out and ending altogether for those earning more than $99,000. Families would receive an additional $500 per child.

After complaints from Democrats, a $500 billion fund — $425 billion for the Federal Reserve to leverage for loans in order to help broad groups of distressed companies and $75 billion for industry-specific loans — will now have far stricter oversight, in the form of an inspector general and a 5-person panel appointed by Congress, lawmakers said. Companies that accept money must also agree to halt any stock buybacks for the length of the government assistance, plus an additional year.

Democrats also secured a provision that will block Trump family businesses — or those of other senior government officials — from receiving loan money under the programs, Mr. Schumer said in a letter to Democrats.

Both Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Schumer, on separate calls laying out the deal for their Democratic colleagues, said they had secured $130 billion for hospitals, $55 billion more than originally agreed to, people familiar with the calls said, as well as $150 billion for state and local governments.

The agreement also includes $350 billion that would establish lending programs for small businesses, but only for those who keep their payrolls steady through the crisis. Small businesses that pledge to keep their workers would also receive cash-flow assistance structured as federally guaranteed loans. If the employer continued to pay its workers for the duration of the crisis, those loans would be forgiven.

Lawmakers in both chambers have also acknowledged that it is likely other legislative measures will be needed in the coming months to counter the consequences of the pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/us/politics/coronavirus-senate-deal.html

Glad the dems pushed back and didn’t rubber stamp that bill McConnell brought up a few days ago. Seems like they got some good concessions. Particularly the oversight on the fed’s slush fund.

[monosylab1k]

https://twitter.com/angusm/status/1242211270587269124?s=21

[Death In June]

I knew whatever bill was drawn up would fuck me. They're using 2018 numbers, where I was well above the cutoff. I left my employer of 6 years in 2019 for 7 months, before getting a job recently but ran through my nest egg. So I sm under the cutoff for 2019 but oh well.

[boutons_deux]

“I regret to say we’re going to have to let a few million of you die in order to protect the S&P500”

:lol regret?

they don't need (or have) no steekin' regret

Capitalism amassing Capital has priority over all life

[hater]

"For the average American the best way to tell if you have covid-19 is to cough in a rich person’s face and wait for their test results."

:lmao

[hater]

wait is Jim Acosta d niga that got the Rona?

he is not on CNN anymore :lol

[hater]

In UK police will have green light to detain anyone suspected of being corona infected

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/coronavirus-suspects-may-be-detained-under-uk-emergency-powers

[boutons_deux]

Today is 25 March

my skimpy online cart at HEB for earliest available time slot?

curbside pickup April 7

ok, can't wait that long,

so what about delivery to my house? April 3

[TimDunkem]

Today is 25 March

my skimpy online cart at HEB for earliest available time slot?

curbside pickup April 7

ok, can't wait that long,

so what about delivery to my house? April 3

One thing coronavirus will accomplish will be opening everyone's eyes to just exactly how unprepared anyone is for anything like this.

[TSA]

Today is 25 March

my skimpy online cart at HEB for earliest available time slot?

curbside pickup April 7

ok, can't wait that long,

so what about delivery to my house? April 3

Can you not just go to HEB and shop for yourself?

[picnroll]

Today is 25 March

my skimpy online cart at HEB for earliest available time slot?

curbside pickup April 7

ok, can't wait that long,

so what about delivery to my house? April 3
Have you tried instacart personal shopping service.

[leemajors]

Can you not just go to HEB and shop for yourself?

This, I have been going to HEB several times a week to get what I need for a few days.

[boutons_deux]

Can you not just go to HEB and shop for yourself?

As prime age + comorbidity for covid-19 killing, I'll have to.

I will try walmart's curbside later.

[boutons_deux]

Have you tried instacart personal shopping service.

I expect all the grocery delivery services are booked up.

HEB owns Favor, but Favor can't deliver me until 3 April?

And as many of their shoppers are old people trying to make some beer money (avg gross under $10/hour) and as SA's infected numbers explode, I expect the older shoppers will be safe and stop driving, as I did with Favor.

My last Favor run was to an HEB with no curbside, so I had to queue to get in and find all the stuff myself. That was for me GAMEOVER with Favor.

[boutons_deux]

I think a bottleneck for HEB/Favor is the number of HEB employees makes available to collect the stuff for pickup or delivery.

[TSA]

I expect all the grocery delivery services are booked up.

HEB owns Favor, but Favor can't deliver me until 3 April?

And as many of their shoppers are old people trying to make some beer money (avg gross under $10/hour) and as SA's infected numbers explode, I expect the older shoppers will be safe and stop driving, as I did with Favor.

My last Favor run was to an HEB with no curbside, so I had to queue to get in and find all the stuff myself. That was for me GAMEOVER with Favor.

Your Favor driver took you to HEB and then made you go inside to shop?

[picnroll]

I expect all the grocery delivery services are booked up.

HEB owns Favor, but Favor can't deliver me until 3 April?

And as many of their shoppers are old people trying to make some beer money (avg gross under $10/hour) and as SA's infected numbers explode, I expect the older shoppers will be safe and stop driving, as I did with Favor.

My last Favor run was to an HEB with no curbside, so I had to queue to get in and find all the stuff myself. That was for me GAMEOVER with Favor.

I checked the instacart app. They’ll deliver within 5 hrs. Haven’t used it yet, have a pick up I scheduled that was almost 2 weeks out. I’ll be using instacart from now on. Shopping at multiple stores, H-E-B, Costco, Walmart, drug stores, etc. Don’t know what price or mark ups are.

[vy65]

Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?

Current estimates about the Covid-19 fatality rate may be too high by orders of magnitude.

By Eran Bendavid and Jay Bhattacharya
March 24, 2020 6:21 pm ET

A line at an emergency room in Brooklyn, N.Y., March 19.
Photo: andrew kelly/Reuters
If it’s true that the novel coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines, then the extraordinary measures being carried out in cities and states around the country are surely justified. But there’s little evidence to confirm that premise—and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.

Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate—2% to 4% of people with confirmed Covid-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others. So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, two million to four million could die. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases.

The latter rate is misleading because of selection bias in testing. The degree of bias is uncertain because available data are limited. But it could make the difference between an epidemic that kills 20,000 and one that kills two million. If the number of actual infections is much larger than the number of cases—orders of magnitude larger—then the true fatality rate is much lower as well. That’s not only plausible but likely based on what we know so far.

Population samples from China, Italy, Iceland and the U.S. provide relevant evidence. On or around Jan. 31, countries sent planes to evacuate citizens from Wuhan, China. When those planes landed, the passengers were tested for Covid-19 and quarantined. After 14 days, the percentage who tested positive was 0.9%. If this was the prevalence in the greater Wuhan area on Jan. 31, then, with a population of about 20 million, greater Wuhan had 178,000 infections, about 30-fold more than the number of reported cases. The fatality rate, then, would be at least 10-fold lower than estimates based on reported cases.

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Next, the northeastern Italian town of Vò, near the provincial capital of Padua. On March 6, all 3,300 people of Vò were tested, and 90 were positive, a prevalence of 2.7%. Applying that prevalence to the whole province (population 955,000), which had 198 reported cases, suggests there were actually 26,000 infections at that time. That’s more than 130-fold the number of actual reported cases. Since Italy’s case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, the real fatality rate could in fact be closer to 0.06%.

In Iceland, deCode Genetics is working with the government to perform widespread testing. In a sample of nearly 2,000 entirely asymptomatic people, researchers estimated disease prevalence of just over 1%. Iceland’s first case was reported on Feb. 28, weeks behind the U.S. It’s plausible that the proportion of the U.S. population that has been infected is double, triple or even 10 times as high as the estimates from Iceland. That also implies a dramatically lower fatality rate.

The best (albeit very weak) evidence in the U.S. comes from the National Basketball Association. Between March 11 and 19, a substantial number of NBA players and teams received testing. By March 19, 10 out of 450 rostered players were positive. Since not everyone was tested, that represents a lower bound on the prevalence of 2.2%. The NBA isn’t a representative population, and contact among players might have facilitated transmission. But if we extend that lower-bound assumption to cities with NBA teams (population 45 million), we get at least 990,000 infections in the U.S. The number of cases reported on March 19 in the U.S. was 13,677, more than 72-fold lower. These numbers imply a fatality rate from Covid-19 orders of magnitude smaller than it appears.

How can we reconcile these estimates with the epidemiological models? First, the test used to identify cases doesn’t catch people who were infected and recovered. Second, testing rates were woefully low for a long time and typically reserved for the severely ill. Together, these facts imply that the confirmed cases are likely orders of magnitude less than the true number of infections. Epidemiological modelers haven’t adequately adapted their estimates to account for these factors.

The epidemic started in China sometime in November or December. The first confirmed U.S. cases included a person who traveled from Wuhan on Jan. 15, and it is likely that the virus entered before that: Tens of thousands of people traveled from Wuhan to the U.S. in December. Existing evidence suggests that the virus is highly transmissible and that the number of infections doubles roughly every three days. An epidemic seed on Jan. 1 implies that by March 9 about six million people in the U.S. would have been infected. As of March 23, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 499 Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. If our surmise of six million cases is accurate, that’s a mortality rate of 0.01%, assuming a two week lag between infection and death. This is one-tenth of the flu mortality rate of 0.1%. Such a low death rate would be cause for optimism.

This does not make Covid-19 a nonissue. The daily reports from Italy and across the U.S. show real struggles and overwhelmed health systems. But a 20,000- or 40,000-death epidemic is a far less severe problem than one that kills two million. Given the enormous consequences of decisions around Covid-19 response, getting clear data to guide decisions now is critical. We don’t know the true infection rate in the U.S. Antibody testing of representative samples to measure disease prevalence (including the recovered) is crucial. Nearly every day a new lab gets approval for antibody testing, so population testing using this technology is now feasible.

If we’re right about the limited scale of the epidemic, then measures focused on older populations and hospitals are sensible. Elective procedures will need to be rescheduled. Hospital resources will need to be reallocated to care for critically ill patients. Triage will need to improve. And policy makers will need to focus on reducing risks for older adults and people with underlying medical conditions.

A universal quarantine may not be worth the costs it imposes on the economy, community and individual mental and physical health. We should undertake immediate steps to evaluate the empirical basis of the current lockdowns.

Dr. Bendavid and Dr. Bhattacharya are professors of medicine at Stanford. Neeraj Sood contributed to this article.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/Gdo9sg67Pp

Good article, thanks for posting. My thinking is transitioning to implementing a Logan's Run policy of quarantining those at risk (immunocompromised, over 65, etc...) and slowly letting those who are younger and in good health to return to normal life. We can't sustain the measures currently in place, whether socially, psychologically, and especially economically. Keeping the cohort at the greatest risk under quarantene allows for a build up of health care infrastructure to deal with the inevitable influx of patients for when they come back to normal as well. Is it harsh? Maybe. But it's for their own good.

[vy65]

Even if we were to argue that it's less severe than the flu, we have inoculants for the flu, out bodies already fought different strains over time, it's a different situation.

And really, the death rate is always calculated based on the number of actual cases. The reason to argue the death rate is orders of magnitude smaller is by advancing that the number of cases is order of magnitude higher, which nobody can ascertain without proper testing. The article isn't junk, but starts off an unverifiable premise.

So, let's get the tests going. Even better if they're anti-body tests.

The math is imprecise and fuzzy at best. But it's a logical conclusion. Part of the terror of COVID is asymptomatic spread. You can't have asymptomatic spread and argue that the death rate is accurate. Everything we know about the virus establishes that the death rate is overstated. The only issue, as you say, is determining what order of magnitude it has been overstated.

[boutons_deux]

the binary "dead or not" ignores after effects of victims who get very sick but survive.

covid-19 takes 2 - 8 weeks to kill

victims on respirators have 50% mortality.

Repugs, Trash, rightwingnutjobs, the oligarchy propaganda, downplaying the risks and saying everybody get out and go back to work are self-servingly, criminally negligent.

[TSA]

I expect all the grocery delivery services are booked up.

HEB owns Favor, but Favor can't deliver me until 3 April?

And as many of their shoppers are old people trying to make some beer money (avg gross under $10/hour) and as SA's infected numbers explode, I expect the older shoppers will be safe and stop driving, as I did with Favor.

My last Favor run was to an HEB with no curbside, so I had to queue to get in and find all the stuff myself. That was for me GAMEOVER with Favor.

You were a Favor driver?

[boutons_deux]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/439275/story_image/AP_17233672251714.jpg?1503342839

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[boutons_deux]

His Fox shitshow downplays covid-19

but Rupert Murdoch cancels his 89th birthday party

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https://images.dailykos.com/images/439275/story_image/AP_17233672251714.jpg?1503342839

1242482103457062913

I did the same fuckin' thing. You tell an American he can't do something, he does it.

I went to the Kentucky Caverns. "Please don't touch the rock formations, you'll do centuries of damage."

I put my finger right in there when the khaki clothed guide turned his back.

"Dale, don't do that!" - Girl

[RandomGuy]

https://images.dailykos.com/images/439275/story_image/AP_17233672251714.jpg?1503342839

1242482103457062913

:lmao

Hillary dunking on Trump. That is golden.






shower

[vy65]

Occam's razor would seem to favor a family tie to the Trump Administration. Jared Kushner's brother Joshua is a co-founder of Gilead.


Are you sure about that? Link?

So I'm guessing Kushner-Gilead connection was a WH fabrication.

[Thread]

:lmao

Hillary dunking on Trump. That is golden.






shower

Though he did leave her where he found her, RG.

ha, ha.

[boutons_deux]

You were a Favor driver?

I tried, just to get out of the house, knowing the money was probably weak, for about 5 one-hour "runnings", but it paid really badly, echoed by Favor having numerous promotions guaranteeing $10 / hour GROSS. I found the mileage really high.

I actually like driving around but not for netting not much more than Fed minimum hourly.

The "independent contractor" people whose main income, to eat and pay rent, is gig driving are screwed and will stay screwed for months. I am not in that group.

[RandomGuy]

So I'm guessing Kushner-Gilead connection was a WH fabrication.


Joshua Kushner (born June 12, 1985) is an American businessman and investor. He is the founder and managing partner of the investment firm Thrive Capital, co-founder of Oscar Health, and the son of real estate magnate Charles Kushner. His brother is Jared Kushner, the son-in-law and senior advisor of U.S. President Donald Trump.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kushner-oscar-covid/

Partially true.


What's True
Jared Kushner’s brother, Joshua, is co-founder of the health insurance start-up Oscar, which recently released an online tool to locate COVID-19 testing centers in some areas. At least in the past, Jared Kushner has had a financial interest in Oscar.

What's False
Oscar is not involved in the actual process of COVID-19 testing or in the manufacturing of such a test. Oscar created a website — open to the public — that screens users to see if they qualify for a test and then provides a list of testing sites nearby.

Part of the problem though, with not divesting yourself, and nepotism. Makes the appearance of conflicts of interest worse.

[vy65]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/kushner-oscar-covid/

Partially true.



Part of the problem though, with not divesting yourself, and nepotism. Makes the appearance of conflicts of interest worse.

I'm still unclear on what this has to do with Gilead? Oscar is a health insurance company. An app that locates testing centers doesn't have anything to do with Gilead's pharmaceuticals (which were developed before Trump was elected) being used as COVID19 treatment. WH completely made this up.

[hater]

China has reopened Wuhan mass transit :tu

lets see what happens next few days

[hater]

looks like Italy has peaked and might be slowing down

Spain looks bad. hopefully will peak within a week

https://twitter.com/sarath_krish43/status/1242871027354546177?s=21

looks like Germany has a bigger problem than thought

UK should be next country to get a beating. Id say in 1 week things will be pretty grim

NYC will be rising steadily for about 10 more days and then poof a bomb

[Splits]

US might overtake China before Italy does in total cases

The images coming out of NYC in 10 days are going to be horrifying. They have no PPE, their medical staff are going to be getting that shit and taking it home to their kids, there won't be enough ventilators, doctors having to serve the role as death panel choosing who to keep alive and who dies. Get ready...

[picnroll]

Not that it matters in the least but NYC real estate market is fooked. Anybody want to buy Trump Towers?

[RandomGuy]

Boy this tweet from yesterday aged well

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972 cases now. 78% jump in one fucking day.

... and 60k today, as of newest update, with 800+ dead.

(edit)

About a 32% daily growth rate.

[Blake]

Not that it matters in the least but NYC real estate market is fooked. Anybody want to buy Trump Towers?

All Donald has to do is move a few government agencies over to the towers and then charge the government a premium for the rent

[Thread]

... and 60k today, as of newest update, with 800+ dead.

23k+ dead of Regular Flu.

[Thread]

US might overtake China before Italy does in total cases

The images coming out of NYC in 10 days are going to be horrifying. They have no PPE, their medical staff are going to be getting that shit and taking it home to their kids, there won't be enough ventilators, doctors having to serve the role as death panel choosing who to keep alive and who dies. Get ready...

Conversely, Cuomo was all smiles today, said the rise of cases in New York has dropped. He praised the WH & in particular the old man.

[boutons_deux]

magnificently indicative of shithole America, thanks oligarchy,

US death toll nears 800; Dow up 2,100 points

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/24/coronavirus-updates-olympics-fauci-stimulus-bill-wuhan-travel-rule/2901941001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/24/coronavirus-updates-olympics-fauci-stimulus-bill-wuhan-travel-rule/2901941001/)

[Thread]

magnificently indicative of shithole America, thanks oligarchy,

US death toll nears 800; Dow up 2,100 points

(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/24/coronavirus-updates-olympics-fauci-stimulus-bill-wuhan-travel-rule/2901941001/)https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/24/coronavirus-updates-olympics-fauci-stimulus-bill-wuhan-travel-rule/2901941001/

We've stood for 23k+ Regular Flu deaths this year without so much as a by-your-leave. 800 deaths by Corona is a mere drop in-the-bucket, bouts.

[spurraider21]

In the final measure, lawmakers agreed to a significant expansion of unemployment benefits that would extend unemployment insurance by 13 weeks and include a four-month enhancement of benefits, officials familiar with the unfinished agreement said. Democrats said that it would allow workers to maintain their full salaries if forced out of work as a result of the pandemic.

In the interim, lawmakers also agreed to provide $1,200 in direct payments that would apply equally to workers with incomes up to $75,000 per year before phasing out and ending altogether for those earning more than $99,000. Families would receive an additional $500 per child.

After complaints from Democrats, a $500 billion fund — $425 billion for the Federal Reserve to leverage for loans in order to help broad groups of distressed companies and $75 billion for industry-specific loans — will now have far stricter oversight, in the form of an inspector general and a 5-person panel appointed by Congress, lawmakers said. Companies that accept money must also agree to halt any stock buybacks for the length of the government assistance, plus an additional year.

Democrats also secured a provision that will block Trump family businesses — or those of other senior government officials — from receiving loan money under the programs, Mr. Schumer said in a letter to Democrats.

Both Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Schumer, on separate calls laying out the deal for their Democratic colleagues, said they had secured $130 billion for hospitals, $55 billion more than originally agreed to, people familiar with the calls said, as well as $150 billion for state and local governments.

The agreement also includes $350 billion that would establish lending programs for small businesses, but only for those who keep their payrolls steady through the crisis. Small businesses that pledge to keep their workers would also receive cash-flow assistance structured as federally guaranteed loans. If the employer continued to pay its workers for the duration of the crisis, those loans would be forgiven.

Lawmakers in both chambers have also acknowledged that it is likely other legislative measures will be needed in the coming months to counter the consequences of the pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/us/politics/coronavirus-senate-deal.html
Chuck and Nancy

[RandomGuy]

US might overtake China before Italy does in total cases

The images coming out of NYC in 10 days are going to be horrifying. They have no PPE, their medical staff are going to be getting that shit and taking it home to their kids, there won't be enough ventilators, doctors having to serve the role as death panel choosing who to keep alive and who dies. Get ready...

eyup. Have some neighbors who were driving their elderly mother home to brooklyn when it got shut down. They got to Kentucky and turned around. Should check in on them. Elderly mother is adorably brooklyn italian.

[spurraider21]

I knew whatever bill was drawn up would fuck me. They're using 2018 numbers, where I was well above the cutoff. I left my employer of 6 years in 2019 for 7 months, before getting a job recently but ran through my nest egg. So I sm under the cutoff for 2019 but oh well.
from what i read, they're using 2019 if you already filed, and otherwise will use 2018

[RandomGuy]

Trump Suggests States Need to Bribe Him With Praise to Get Federal Assistance for COVID-19
“But, you know, it’s a two-way street,” the president said of states desperate for equipment. “They have to treat us well, also.”

President Trump adjusted his strategy against the coronavirus on Monday, tweeting his desire for Americans to endanger themselves and others by going back to work far ahead of what has been recommended by public-health officials. But on Tuesday, the president made clear that there’s one thing he isn’t changing about his approach to the outbreak: blaming his administration’s incompetence on others, particularly New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

During a Fox News town-hall event in the White House Rose Garden, Trump ramped up his attacks on the governor, who has been a vocal critic of the federal government’s sluggish response to the outbreak. In doing so, Trump said the quiet part out loud about how he views his relationship with states. “It’s a two-way street,” he said. “They have to treat us well, also. They can’t say, ‘Oh, gee, we should get this, we should get that.'”

n other words, if governors want the federal government to help them combat the coronavirus, they’re going to need to “be nice” to the president first.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-coronavirus-federal-assistance-new-york-cuomo-972467/

[Winehole23]

So I'm guessing Kushner-Gilead connection was a WH fabrication.It was a mistake. Joshua and Jared Kushner cofounded Oscar health. Jared lobbied for "opportunity zone" tax breaks for Oscar Health.

Jared declared divesting from Oscar on March 2.


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/03/jared-kushner-once-controlled-oscar-now-running-a-coronavirus-testing-site/

[Death In June]

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[ElNono]

You know, looking a the countries affected, numbers, and obviously still a long ways to go, but for all the flak Canada gets over here about their healthcare and politics, they're doing extremely well so far.

[midnightpulp]

You know, looking a the countries affected, numbers, and obviously still a long ways to go, but for all the flak Canada gets over here about their healthcare and politics, they're doing extremely well so far.

New York is maintaining. +14. Let's hope there isn't a late night spike. So the idea that they tallied Sunday's total into the mix last night seems more probable. But again, let's hope for no spike.

[Winehole23]

Trump is an ignorant clown.

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[DarrinS]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464

[ElNono]

New York is maintaining. +14. Let's hope there isn't a late night spike. So the idea that they tallied Sunday's total into the mix last night seems more probable. But again, let's hope for no spike.

Let's hope so. Michigan and Louisiana are starting to look shitty. It's like whack-a-mole right now.

[ElNono]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283058&p=10102475&viewfull=1#post10102475

[DarrinS]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283058&p=10102475&viewfull=1#post10102475

My bad

[ElNono]

My bad

no biggie, just that we discussed it there already. feel free to pick up the discussion.

[Splits]

New York is maintaining. +14. Let's hope there isn't a late night spike. So the idea that they tallied Sunday's total into the mix last night seems more probable. But again, let's hope for no spike.

NJ is reporting far more frequently than NY. Look at their case/death ratio and extrapolate that to NY, that's your spike tonight.

[vy65]

It was a mistake. Joshua and Jared Kushner cofounded Oscar health. Jared lobbied for "opportunity zone" tax breaks for Oscar Health.

Jared declared divesting from Oscar on March 2.


https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/03/jared-kushner-once-controlled-oscar-now-running-a-coronavirus-testing-site/

:tu

[SnakeBoy]

You know, looking a the countries affected, numbers, and obviously still a long ways to go, but for all the flak Canada gets over here about their healthcare and politics, they're doing extremely well so far.

Land mass larger than us with 1/10th the population probably helps. Not to mention they are annoyingly nice and respectful towards each other.

[DAF86]

You know, looking a the countries affected, numbers, and obviously still a long ways to go, but for all the flak Canada gets over here about their healthcare and politics, they're doing extremely well so far.

I thought a Worldwide pandemia would convert atheists into christians, but it turns out that it converts free-marketers into Keynesians.

[midnightpulp]

NJ is reporting far more frequently than NY. Look at their case/death ratio and extrapolate that to NY, that's your spike tonight.

That would be still be "okay." NY had 114 passed yesterday. So if we extrapolate based on new cases, they should be around 17 give or take when the reporting comes, putting their daily at 41. Let's hope for that. I just don't want to see growth from that 114 yesterday (which I still believe was due to delayed reporting from Sunday). And country wide, hope we can stay below two hundred.

[Splits]

That would be still be "okay." NY had 114 passed yesterday. So if we extrapolate based on new cases, they should be around 17 give or take when the reporting comes, putting their daily at 41. Let's hope for that. I just don't want to see growth from that 114 yesterday (which I still believe was due to delayed reporting from Sunday). And country wide, hope we can stay below two hundred.


Dude, NY in raw numbers is going to rip through Italy soon, and they are just ramping up. Quit hitting refresh, look at the trend, it is grim business

[midnightpulp]

Dude, NY in raw numbers is going to rip through Italy soon, and they are just ramping up. Quit hitting refresh, look at the trend, it is grim business

I'm looking at the trends. I assume you're extrapolating like this: General mortality rate (0.9) x daily case count. If so, New York should have around 41 deaths at the end of the day based on that math. Italy's mortality rate is the highest in the world, and here's one of the reasons: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

Their flu mortality rate is 10x higher than ours.

[Splits]

I'm looking at the trends. I assume you're extrapolating like this: General mortality rate (0.9) x daily case count. If so, New York should have around 41 deaths at the end of the day based on that math. Italy's mortality rate is the highest in the world, and here's one of the reasons: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

Their flu mortality rate is 10x higher than ours.

This is the second straight day you're praying towards GMT, didn't work out so well yesterday and there's no evidence to think there's a downward or stabilized death trend

[midnightpulp]

This is the second straight day you're praying towards GMT, didn't work out so well yesterday and there's no evidence to think there's a downward or stabilized death trend

Just curious how you're extrapolating.

[TimDunkem]

LA state gov. says they'll run out of ventilators by April 1st.

[Splits]

Just curious how you're extrapolating.

I think trying to use a uniform death rate where data collection is completely sporadic is useless. I'm extrapolating by looking at Italy and Spain (they are peaking right now) and their newly infected vs. deaths day by day. That's at 10% right now. That doesn't mean there's a 10% death rate, only that their peak seems to be registering 6500 a day and seeing 650 die. NY/NJ is on or ahead of their trajectory but lagging 10 days as the numbers ramp up, and will be hitting triple those numbers.

[boutons_deux]

Minnesota gov. warns of ‘skyrocket’ deaths after testing failures:

‘It’s too late to flatten the curve’

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/minnesota-gov-warns-of-skyrocket-deaths-after-testing-failures-its-too-late-to-flatten-the-curve/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4102 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/minnesota-gov-warns-of-skyrocket-deaths-after-testing-failures-its-too-late-to-flatten-the-curve/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4102)

[hater]

Trump is an ignorant clown.

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:lmao stupid chimp

[midnightpulp]

I think trying to use a uniform death rate where data collection is completely sporadic is useless. I'm extrapolating by looking at Italy and Spain (they are peaking right now) and their newly infected vs. deaths day by day. That's at 10% right now. That doesn't mean there's a 10% death rate, only that their peak seems to be registering 6500 a day and seeing 650 die. NY/NJ is on or ahead of their trajectory but lagging 10 days as the numbers ramp up, and will be hitting triple those numbers.

So you're projecting NY/NJ to hit 1800 deaths per day in 10 days?

[boutons_deux]

and from shithole Texas:

How many coronavirus cases in Texas? Depends on who you ask

On Tuesday evening, Texas launched a new system for reporting cases of COVID-19. Officials said the new system will bring the state's count closer to those of counties and other sources that were reporting hundreds more cases.



As of March 24, Texas is reporting 736 coronavirus cases.

The Texas Department of State Health Services is tracking COVID-19 cases in Texas by county. The numbers are reported by local health officials and are current as of 8 p.m. the day before reporting. They may not represent all cases of the disease given limited testing capacity.

As of March 24 at 5 p.m., there were at least 736 coronavirus cases in Texas. There were 11 reported deaths. At least 13,235 people have been tested.



County
Number of cases


Dallas
131


Travis
79


Tarrant
57


Bexar
57


Harris
54


Collin
38


Denton
30


Fort Bend
29


Lackland Air Force Base *
21


McLennan
20


SEE ALL (66)



Statewide


736





the most generous accounting of positive cases in the state is a dramatic undercount given the rampant evidence of community spread,

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/24/coronavirus-cases-in-texas-why-the-numbers-are-different-everywhere/

[Splits]

So you're projecting NY/NJ to hit 1800 deaths per day in 10 days?

At the high end, yes. At the low end, minimum 700.

[boutons_deux]

Abbott, sit down and STFU

“I am governor of 254 counties in the state of Texas,” Abbott said at a press conference Sunday.

“What may be right for places like the large, urban areas may not be right at this particular point in time”

==========

85% of the TX population is now urban.

https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/publications/2017/2017_08_21_UrbanTexas.pdf (https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/publications/2017/2017_08_21_UrbanTexas.pdf)

How about the doing the "right thing" for 85% of Texas population?

[midnightpulp]

At the high end, yes. At the low end, minimum 700.

The way I'm projecting has both areas combined averaging about 110 deaths per day, with maybe 250 at the high end. I guess we can both agree we hope my math is right.

[slick'81]

Abbott, sit down and STFU

“I am governor of 254 counties in the state of Texas,” Abbott said at a press conference Sunday.

“What may be right for places like the large, urban areas may not be right at this particular point in time”

==========

85% of the TX population is now urban.

https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/publications/2017/2017_08_21_UrbanTexas.pdf (https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/publications/2017/2017_08_21_UrbanTexas.pdf)

How about the doing the "right thing" for 85% of Texas population?







He is completely failing right now

[ChumpDumper]

Problem solved, everybody!

1242819031490375680

How Medical ‘Chickenpox Parties’ Could Turn The Tide Of The Wuhan Virus (https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/how-medical-chickenpox-parties-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/)

[slick'81]

Why is testing soo fucked in this country? Why were other countries able to test soo damn many,and were here with our thumbs up our asses

[slick'81]

Problem solved, everybody!

1242819031490375680

How Medical ‘Chickenpox Parties’ Could Turn The Tide Of The Wuhan Virus (https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/how-medical-chickenpox-parties-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/)

sounds fun

[boutons_deux]

Why is testing soo fucked in this country? Why were other countries able to test soo damn many,and were here with our thumbs up our asses

Decades of FAILED austerity, of shrinking govt into dysfunction, all gone wild under Trash and his Repug kakistocracy.

What the Repugs are doing now, aka "Keynesian countercyclical govt spending", is exactly what they blocked and ridiculed when Obama/Dems wanted to do it.

Where is Capitalism, Capitalists, free markets, trickle down, competition, "Govt is not the solution. Govt is the problem" with their "perfect solution" to whatever is needed "just in time"?

It's all exposed as dishonest, self-serving, self-enriching B U L L S H I T

[midnightpulp]

Why is testing soo fucked in this country? Why were other countries able to test soo damn many,and were here with our thumbs up our asses

The administration in charge didn't take it seriously. It was supposed to be gone by March 1st.

[Nathan89]

I thought a Worldwide pandemia would convert atheists into christians, but it turns out that it converts free-marketers into Keynesians.

The government shut down the "free market".

[ChumpDumper]

sounds funIt is a party after all.

The right wing proposals this week consist of letting old people die and infecting the young (hey, only 3-10% will get seriously ill, snowflake) for the sake of the economy.

[SnakeBoy]

Problem solved, everybody!

1242819031490375680

How Medical ‘Chickenpox Parties’ Could Turn The Tide Of The Wuhan Virus (https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/25/how-medical-chickenpox-parties-could-turn-the-tide-of-the-wuhan-virus/)

It's really not as crazy as it seems if you accept the truth that the majority of the global population will get this virus in time. Just need a system to figure out who goes first. Bimonthly national rock/paper/scissors day seems fair.

[ChumpDumper]

It's really not as crazy as it seems if you accept the truth that the majority of the global population will get this virus in time. Just need a system to figure out who goes first. Bimonthly national rock/paper/scissors day seems fair.People who think it's not as crazy as it seems and their children first.

[DMC]

Abbott, sit down and STFU

“I am governor of 254 counties in the state of Texas,” Abbott said at a press conference Sunday.

“What may be right for places like the large, urban areas may not be right at this particular point in time”

==========

85% of the TX population is now urban.

https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/publications/2017/2017_08_21_UrbanTexas.pdf (https://demographics.texas.gov/Resources/publications/2017/2017_08_21_UrbanTexas.pdf)

How about the doing the "right thing" for 85% of Texas population?






He's in a wheelchair.

:lol Boutons

[DMC]

Why is testing soo fucked in this country? Why were other countries able to test soo damn many,and were here with our thumbs up our asses

Why weren't you pushing for this last year?

Oh that's right, impeachment was more important then. Which candidate ran with "increase medical supplies for potential virus testing" as one of their key goals? Because that wasn't the thing then. Medicare for all! (but no supplies).

"why didn't more people have hindsight ahead of time!"

[Nathan89]

Why is testing soo fucked in this country? Why were other countries able to test soo damn many,and were here with our thumbs up our asses

Because CDC botched their test. They had to eventually remove regulations to let the market handle it.

[Splits]

The way I'm projecting has both areas combined averaging about 110 deaths per day, with maybe 250 at the high end. I guess we can both agree we hope my math is right.

Thoughts and prayers. I'd love to see the algorithm that predicts NY/NJ deaths stabilizing while new cases are completely out of control.

[MannyIsGod]

Why weren't you pushing for this last year?

Oh that's right, impeachment was more important then. Which candidate ran with "increase medical supplies for potential virus testing" as one of their key goals? Because that wasn't the thing then. Medicare for all! (but no supplies).

"why didn't more people have hindsight ahead of time!"

THis is such a stupid point of view. Democrats are literally trying to keep the GOP from tearing up the shit healthcare that we currently have and you're trying to say they werne't arguing for the right thing? Sorry they had to fucos on the gun to the countries head and try to disarm that first.

Talk about some serious fucking gas lighting.

[hater]

My sauces tell me NY is about to explode

powder keg is the word I hear

:wow

let's hope its bad info but unfortunately my sauces are legit

[spurraider21]

My sauces tell me NY is about to explode

powder keg is the word I hear

:wow

let's hope its bad info but unfortunately my sauces are legit
just show us the rando twitter accounts you're referring to

[hater]

"this is worse than working in West Africa during Ebola" :wow :wow

https://twitter.com/Abdnys/status/1242942758635147271?s=20

[hater]

just show us the rando twitter accounts you're referring to

those are ground sauces

[hater]

https://twitter.com/srl/status/1242929532199481346?s=20

[Reck]

He's in a wheelchair.

:lol Boutons


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JdigPbYZMc

[phxspurfan]

It is a party after all.

The right wing proposals this week consist of letting old people die and infecting the young (hey, only 3-10% will get seriously ill, snowflake) for the sake of the economy.

Trump has been saying this from the beginning. Basically wishing we all just get it and move on, so the economy wouldnt take a hit and he could get re-elected. Which is really all he cares about, staying in power

[hater]

I only watch about 5 minutes of each daily briefing and Trump melts down every single time :lol

he either loves these moments or he hates them

I can't tell which

[midnightpulp]

Thoughts and prayers. I'd love to see the algorithm that predicts NY/NJ deaths stabilizing while new cases are completely out of control.

Here's how I'm projecting, working off the worst case scenario in the world (Italy):

We're 10 days behind Italy as the saying goes. March 14th, they were at 3500 new cases. This case count per day held firm (give or take a couple hundred each way) until the 19th where it spiked to 4200 new cases. This proved to be their inflection point. Next day 5300, then 5900, peaking at 6500, and then stated to decline. The combined new case count since the inflection point was 40K over a week long period, or about 5700 new cases per day.

New York has been holding firm at about 5Kish new cases per day over the past few days. As I showed above, Italy experienced a brief leveling off (3500 per day) before their inflection point and peak. So let's assume NY's inflection point is 3 days away. If their leveling off holds for 3 days, we can expect about 50ish new deaths each day. Then we can expect growth. The growth rate for Italy's case count was 60 percent over that 7 day period (3500 to 5700 average). If New York has a 60 percent growth rate during the week after their inflection point, we can expect an average daily case count of 8000 with a peak of 9400.

If this math holds, we can expect NY's death count to rise to about 80 per day (8000 x 1 percent morality rate) over that period. Not sure why expect New York's base mortality rate to rise much from 0.9 percent into the Italy territory of 10 percent, when we see that Italy has many factors that contribute to a higher mortality rate. Older population, lived in one of the most polluted areas in Europe, chronic smokers. Remember, they die from the flu at a 10x higher rate than Americans. Respiratory illnesses don't seem kind to their population.

I used this same logic for NJ and added their numbers in.

That's my algo and I'm sticking to it. Again, let's hope I'm right. 700-1000 deaths per day would basically be Armageddon for the city.

[phxspurfan]

I only watch about 5 minutes of each daily briefing and Trump melts down every single time :lol

he either loves these moments or he hates them

I can't tell which

I just remember him saying "I am proud to be your president... look to me and I will save you all" then walks out and gives the mic to Fauci

[hater]

NY is not testing people anymore FYI nigas

so all these projections you are talking about are moot

there are simply not testing anymore

[midnightpulp]

NY is not testing people anymore FYI nigas

so all these projections you are talking about are moot

there are simply not testing anymore

Link?

[phxspurfan]

NY is not testing people anymore FYI nigas

so all these projections you are talking about are moot

there are simply not testing anymore

Exactly. Why test when they are just showing up in the ER every 10 minutes

I think Wuhan called that clinical diagnosis

[Splits]

If this math holds, we can expect NY's death count to rise to about 80 per day (8000 x 1 percent morality rate) over that period. Not sure why expect New York's base mortality rate to rise much from 0.9 percent into the Italy territory of 10 percent, when we see that Italy has many factors that contribute to a higher mortality rate. Older population, lived in one of the most polluted areas in Europe, chronic smokers. Remember, they die from the flu at a 10x higher rate than Americans. Respiratory illnesses don't seem kind to their population.

smh, NY/NJ yesterday was 130 yesterday. In what mathematical world is that going to decline?

[Reck]

NY is not testing people anymore FYI nigas

so all these projections you are talking about are moot

there are simply not testing anymore

Nonsense.

They're now only testing the very sick with obvious symptoms. It's the right thing to do.

A lot of tests were used for people who were showing no symptoms at all and now they're strapped to get them.

[weebo]

and from shithole Texas:

How many coronavirus cases in Texas? Depends on who you ask

On Tuesday evening, Texas launched a new system for reporting cases of COVID-19. Officials said the new system will bring the state's count closer to those of counties and other sources that were reporting hundreds more cases.




the most generous accounting of positive cases in the state is a dramatic undercount given the rampant evidence of community spread,

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/24/coronavirus-cases-in-texas-why-the-numbers-are-different-everywhere/




Those numbers are false. As I explained a while back in this thread, COVID has been making the rounds here in Texas since at least early Jan.

[midnightpulp]

smh, NY/NJ yesterday was 130 yesterday. In what mathematical world is that going to decline?

That's 80 per day for New York only, and not combined with New Jersey. The spike was probably data lag. See here. https://covidtracking.com/data/state/new-york/

New York reported no new deaths from Sunday to Monday. Perhaps everyone did hold on and all passed later, but instinct tells me New York added in the Sunday to Monday deaths yesterday when they sent in the data.

[Spurs Homer]

Why weren't you pushing for this last year?

Oh that's right, impeachment was more important then. Which candidate ran with "increase medical supplies for potential virus testing" as one of their key goals? Because that wasn't the thing then. Medicare for all! (but no supplies).

"why didn't more people have hindsight ahead of time!"

your cult leader was extorting a foreign govt and cheating in an american election by inviting foreign govts to help him cheat


you - again - blame the people investigating the criminal - per par


lol


Defending
Muh
Criminal

cult moron

[midnightpulp]

^and I guess that's why it's better to look at weekly instead of daily trends because we don't know if a stat that's posted on the likes of Worldometers or whatever happened today, yesterday, last week, etc, etc.

[boutons_deux]

As The Coronavirus Crisis Heats Up,

Why Isn't America Hearing From The CDC?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/25/821009072/as-the-coronavirus-crisis-heats-up-why-arent-we-hearing-from-the-cdc?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20200325&utm_term=4481950&utm_campaign=best-of-npr&utm_id=10200903&orgid=189 (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/25/821009072/as-the-coronavirus-crisis-heats-up-why-arent-we-hearing-from-the-cdc?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20200325&utm_term=4481950&utm_campaign=best-of-npr&utm_id=10200903&orgid=189)

[picnroll]

Thirteen deaths in a day: An apocalyptic surge in coronavirus deaths at a NYC hospital.

An emergency room doctor in Elmhurst, Queens, gives a rare look inside a hospital at the center of the coronavirus pandemic. “We don’t have the tools that we need.”

Dave Sanders for The New York Times
By Michael Rothfeld, Somini Sengupta, Joseph Goldstein and Brian M. Rosenthal
March 25, 2020

In several hours on Tuesday, Dr. Ashley Bray performed chest compressions at Elmhurst Hospital Center on a woman in her 80s, a man in his 60s and a 38-year-old who reminded the doctor of her fiancé. All had tested positive for the coronavirus and had gone into cardiac arrest. All eventually died.

Elmhurst, a 545-bed public hospital in Queens, has begun transferring patients not suffering from coronavirus to other facilities as it moves toward becoming one dedicated entirely to the outbreak. Doctors and nurses have struggled to make do with a few dozen ventilators. Calls over a loudspeaker of “Team 700,” the code for when a patient is on the verge of death, come several times a shift. Some have died inside the emergency room while waiting for a bed.

A refrigerated truck has been stationed outside to hold the bodies of the dead. Over the past 24 hours, New York City’s public hospital system said in a statement, 13 people at Elmhurst had died.

“It’s apocalyptic,” said Dr. Bray, 27, a general medicine resident at the hospital.

Across the city, which has become the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in the United States, hospitals are beginning to confront the kind of harrowing surge in cases that has overwhelmed health care systems in China, Italy and other countries. On Wednesday morning, New York City reported 16,788 confirmed cases and 199 deaths.

More than 2,800 coronavirus patients have been hospitalized in the city. Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo on Wednesday offered a glimmer of hope that social-distancing measures were starting to slow the growth in hospitalizations. Still, hospitals are preparing for a major influx.

This week, the state’s hospitalization estimations were down markedly, from a doubling of cases every two days to every four days. It is “almost too good to be true,” Mr. Cuomo said.

Working with state and federal officials, hospitals have repeatedly expanded the portions of their facilities equipped to handle patients who had stayed home until worsening fevers and difficulty breathing forced them into emergency rooms.

Dr. Mitchell Katz, the head of the Health and Hospitals Corporation, which operates New York City’s public hospitals, said plans were underway to transform many areas of the Elmhurst hospital into intensive care units for extremely sick patients.

But New York’s hospitals may be about to lose their leeway for creativity in finding spaces.

All of the more than 1,800 intensive care units in the city are expected to be full by Friday, according to a Federal Emergency Management Agency briefing obtained by The New York Times. Patients could stay for weeks, limiting space for newly sickened people.

Mr. Cuomo said on Wednesday that he had not seen the briefing. He said he hoped that officials could quickly add units by dipping into a growing supply of ventilators, the machines that some coronavirus patients need to breathe.

The federal government is sending a 1,000-bed hospital ship to New York, although it is not scheduled to arrive until mid-April. Officials have begun erecting four 250-bed hospitals at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in Midtown Manhattan, which could be ready in a week. President Trump said on Wednesday on Twitter that construction was ahead of schedule, but that could not be independently confirmed.

Officials have also discussed converting hotels and arenas into temporary medical facilities.

At least two city hospitals have filled up their morgues, and city officials anticipated the rest would reach capacity by the end of this week, according to the briefing. The city requested 85 refrigerated trailers from FEMA for mortuary services, along with staff, the briefing said.

A spokeswoman for the city’s office of the chief medical examiner said the briefing was inaccurate. “We have significant morgue capacity in our five citywide sites, and the ability to expand,” she said.

In interviews, doctors and nurses at hospitals across the city gave accounts of how they were being stretched.
Workers at several hospitals, including the Jacobi Medical Center in the Bronx, said employees such as obstetrician-gynecologists and radiologists have been called to work in emergency wards.

At a branch of the Montefiore Medical Center, also in the Bronx, there have been one or two coronavirus-related deaths a day, or more, said Judy Sheridan-Gonzalez, a nurse. There are not always enough gurneys, so some patients sit in chairs. One patient on Sunday had been without a bed for 36 hours, she said.

At the Mount Sinai Health System, some hospital workers in Manhattan have posted photos on social media showing nurses using trash bags as protective gear. A system spokesman said she was not aware of that happening.

With ventilators in short supply, NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital, one of the city’s largest systems, has begun using one machine to help multiple patients at a time, a virtuall unheard-of move, a spokeswoman said.
But officials have called Elmhurst among the hardest-hit hospitals in the city.

“Elmhurst is at the center of this crisis, and it’s the number one priority of our public hospital system right now,” the city’s public hospital system’s statement said. “The front line staff are going above and beyond in this crisis, and we continue surging supplies and personnel to this critical facility to keep pace with the crisis.

Elmhurst Hospital Center opened in 1832 and moved to its current Queens location in 1957, making it one of the oldest hospitals in New York City.

In the neighborhood it serves, Elmhurst, more than two-thirds of residents were born outside of the United States, the highest such rate in the city. It is a safety-net hospital, serving mainly low-income patients, including many who lack primary care doctors.

Queens accounts for 30 percent of New York City’s confirmed coronavirus cases, more than any other borough and far more than its share of the city’s population. It also has fewer hospitals. Elmhurst is one of three major facilities serving a large population and is centrally located, which in part explains why it is busy in normal times and even busier now.

Medical workers said they saw the first signs of the virus in early March — an increase in patients coming in with flulike symptoms before the alarm had been fully raised in the city and the country. Tests results were taking longer then, but they eventually confirmed that many of these patients had coronavirus.

In the weeks after, the emergency room began filling up, with more than 200 people at times. Every chair in the waiting room was usually taken. Patients came in faster than the hospital could add beds; earlier this week, 60 coronavirus patients had been admitted but were still in the emergency room. One man waited almost 60 hours for a bed last week, a doctor said.

The patients coming in now are sicker than before because they were advised to try to recover at home, doctors said.

Like other hospitals, Elmhurst has come perilously close to running out of ventilators several times; other facilities have replenished its supply.

Despite the more optimistic projections by the state about hospitalization rates, the crowds outside of Elmhurst have not thinned out.

The line of people waiting outside of Elmhurst to be tested for the coronavirus forms as early as 6 a.m., and some stay there until 5 p.m. Many are told to go home without being tested.

Julio Jimenez, 35, spent six hours in the emergency room on Sunday night after running a fever while at work in a New Jersey warehouse. He returned on Monday morning to stand in the testing line in the pouring rain. On Tuesday, still coughing, eyes puffy, he stood in line for nearly seven hours and again went home untested.

“I don’t know if I have the virus,” Mr. Jimenez said. “It’s so hard. It’s not just me. It’s for many people. It’s crazy.”

Rikki Lane, a doctor who has worked at Elmhurst for more than 20 years, said the hospital had handled “the first wave of this tsunami.” She compared the scene in the emergency department with an overcrowded parking garage where physicians must move patients in and out of spots to access other patients blocked by stretchers.

Family members are not permitted inside, she said.

Dr. Lane recalled recently treating a man in his 30s whose breathing deteriorated quickly and had to be put on a ventilator. “He was in distress and panicked, I could see the terror in his eyes,” she said. “He was alone.”

Other doctors said they had tried to resuscitate people while drenched in sweat under their protective gear, face masks fogging up. Some patients have been found dead in their rooms while doctors were busy helping others, they said.

Sometimes doctors try to call patients’ families when it is clear they will not recover.

That is what Dr. Bray said she tried to do before the man who reminded her of her fiancé died on Tuesday. As it turned out, his mother, also stricken with the coronavirus, was a patient at another hospital.

“We weren’t able to get in touch with anybody,” Dr. Bray said.

[ElNono]

Land mass larger than us with 1/10th the population probably helps. Not to mention they are annoyingly nice and respectful towards each other.

I would've expected them to be in-line with other 1st world countries like France, Germany or Spain, but they seem to be outdoing them. Again, not privy to details like their reporting, but I have no reason to doubt the numbers.

[ElNono]

I thought a Worldwide pandemia would convert atheists into christians, but it turns out that it converts free-marketers into Keynesians.

Still an emergency, and bailout packages like the one passed last night has plenty of fine print to keep the status quo, tbh

[midnightpulp]

I would've expected them to be in-line with other 1st world countries like France, Germany or Spain, but they seem to be outdoing them. Again, not privy to details like their reporting, but I have no reason to doubt the numbers.

Population density. And I don't think the virus likes to transmit in extreme cold.

[Will Hunting]

I thought a Worldwide pandemia would convert atheists into christians, but it turns out that it converts free-marketers into Keynesians.
:lmao truth bombs

[ElNono]

Because CDC botched their test. They had to eventually remove regulations to let the market handle it.

The CDC simply did not make enough tests, nor ramped up anything until it was too late. Even now, public universities are a big supplier of tests.

[ElNono]

NY is not testing people anymore FYI nigas

so all these projections you are talking about are moot

there are simply not testing anymore

How are they not testing anymore but officially reporting 4,463 new cases today? And that's not even considering that all tests don't come back positive.

[ElNono]

Population density. And I don't think the virus likes to transmit in extreme cold.

They still have pretty big cities, tbh... extreme cold certainly a possibility

[SnakeBoy]

Those numbers are false. As I explained a while back in this thread, COVID has been making the rounds here in Texas since at least early Jan.

You might find this interesting


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bTF0_GUsRg

[Reck]

Still an emergency, and bailout packages like the one passed last night has plenty of fine print to keep the status quo, tbh

Some mighty republicans think the poor are getting a little too much money so they're threatening to kill it. I'll give you 1 guess per each republican pos who suddenly had a change of heart.

[hater]

Link?

CNN tbqh

[weebo]

You might find this interesting


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bTF0_GUsRg

It's what we need, an antibody test.

[weebo]

Here's an article some of you might find interesting.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/03/25/Coronavirus-Iceland-s-mass-testing-finds-half-of-carriers-show-no-symptoms

[hater]

How are they not testing anymore but officially reporting 4,463 new cases today? And that's not even considering that all tests don't come back positive.

ask CNN

a NYC medic said that and said even medics who believe they are infected cannot get tests

[pgardn]

Here's an article some of you might find interesting.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/03/25/Coronavirus-Iceland-s-mass-testing-finds-half-of-carriers-show-no-symptoms

sneaky virus, very sneaky...

[hater]

Bolsonaro is another retard who wants to lift the quarantine now. his governors have rebelled against him and said they are not lifting. they also threatened to sue him

the supreme court just sided with governors saying they have the right to implement restrictions and close highways/airports

calling it now:

the same will happen here with Orangegutan

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1242835598500651013

[spurraider21]

https://mobile.twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1242835598500651013
:tu

[Reck]

https://mobile.twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1242835598500651013

I hope so.

The amount of new cases here is insanity. I hope we're getting all the worst now and can only be upwards from here. I give Cuomo his due. He's been handling this the right way. :tu

[TSA]

I hope so.

The amount of new cases here is insanity. I hope we're getting all the worst now and can only be upwards from here. I give Cuomo his due. He's been handling this the right way. :tu

Minus the public finger pointing at Trump about ventilators when Cuomo himself didn’t restock his own state’s inventory I agree, he’s handled this well.

Hoping we keep seeing some positive numbers out of NY. :bobo

[boutons_deux]

TX, OH have blocked all abortions because they are pro-life

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90526981_10217637292666991_2455932969244688384_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_eui2=AeFi0HRLASWglPn9VWgHg2Y6i6T3DdBPOuVMH0UNG BaG_1MbO08rN5fvXr8JUmGi8ng39dVUdz44kDbN1BuJCHJgBza F76yLRGC7_y3pspzryw&_nc_ohc=KYbwPENzMjgAX-dB4-v&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=b4468b03e4d01c141624165345a3147a&oe=5EA2E9DE

[TSA]

TX, OH have blocked all abortions because they are pro-life

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90526981_10217637292666991_2455932969244688384_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_eui2=AeFi0HRLASWglPn9VWgHg2Y6i6T3DdBPOuVMH0UNG BaG_1MbO08rN5fvXr8JUmGi8ng39dVUdz44kDbN1BuJCHJgBza F76yLRGC7_y3pspzryw&_nc_ohc=KYbwPENzMjgAX-dB4-v&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=b4468b03e4d01c141624165345a3147a&oe=5EA2E9DE

I’m surprised you’re against elective surgeries being pushed back to free up hospital beds.

[ChumpDumper]

TX, OH have blocked all abortions because they are pro-life

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/90526981_10217637292666991_2455932969244688384_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_eui2=AeFi0HRLASWglPn9VWgHg2Y6i6T3DdBPOuVMH0UNG BaG_1MbO08rN5fvXr8JUmGi8ng39dVUdz44kDbN1BuJCHJgBza F76yLRGC7_y3pspzryw&_nc_ohc=KYbwPENzMjgAX-dB4-v&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=b4468b03e4d01c141624165345a3147a&oe=5EA2E9DE
Eh, just go to your private doctor like the rich in Texas do. 49 freebies a year each!

[DarrinS]

During a global pandemic, my first thought, naturally, was about the availability of abortions.

Geez

[ElNono]

Here's an article some of you might find interesting.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/03/25/Coronavirus-Iceland-s-mass-testing-finds-half-of-carriers-show-no-symptoms

It's been known for a while that one of the big issues with this virus is that it can be asymptomatic for 2 or so weeks. That's why anti-body tests are a must, but those are harder to develop than the RT tests in use right now.

Last I heard, there were at least a couple of labs that developed anti-body tests and were in the process of starting mass-manufacturing them.

[ElNono]

https://mobile.twitter.com/asymmetricinfo/status/1242835598500651013

Yeah, this is what we all hoped for, and people might shit on Italy, but they basically got us on notice on which direction we needed to go, at a high cost to them.

[pgardn]

It's been known for a while that one of the big issues with this virus is that it can be asymptomatic for 2 or so weeks. That's why anti-body tests are a must, but those are harder to develop than the RT tests in use right now.

Last I heard, there were at least a couple of labs that developed anti-body tests and were in the process of starting mass-manufacturing them.

Yes.

I know of at least one. But not in the process of mass production.

[boutons_deux]

Rachel Maddow blasts Mississippi governor for banning cities from coronavirus business closures


the governor of Mississippi today did something brand new.

He issued his own executive order that

overrides and overturns any actions that

have been taken by cities and towns in his state,

even as he is refusing to act statewide.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/rachel-maddow-blasts-mississippi-governor-for-banning-cities-from-coronavirus-business-closures/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/rachel-maddow-blasts-mississippi-governor-for-banning-cities-from-coronavirus-business-closures/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[boutons_deux]

I’m surprised you’re against elective surgeries being pushed back to free up hospital beds.

genocide is the wrong word, it's geriatricide that BigFinance, BigCorp, Repugs, Fox, etc are recommending.

abortion takes less than 30 minutes, no overnight stay, bureaucratic checking in and out probably take longer

with people off work and stuck at home, probably a lot more screwing, and unwanted pregnancies. That was the case in the NY/East Coast blackout a few decades ago.

[ElNono]

Hospitals consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patients

Worry that ‘all hands’ responses may expose doctors and nurses to infection prompts debate about prioritizing the needs of the many over the one

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/25/coronavirus-patients-do-not-resucitate/

---

Death panels! It's happening... /ronpaulfig

[slick'81]

Hospitals consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus patients

Worry that ‘all hands’ responses may expose doctors and nurses to infection prompts debate about prioritizing the needs of the many over the one

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/25/coronavirus-patients-do-not-resucitate/

---

Death panels! It's happening... /ronpaulfig


some fcked up shit right there

[Reck]

Welcome to the 1k club, USA.

1,035 Deaths confirmed thus far.

[boutons_deux]

Italy gave up helping anybody over 60

[MannyIsGod]

1242976342427271169

I'm done arguing with Trump supporters. Anyone who supports him after this is not reachable.

[midnightpulp]

It's been known for a while that one of the big issues with this virus is that it can be asymptomatic for 2 or so weeks. That's why anti-body tests are a must, but those are harder to develop than the RT tests in use right now.

Last I heard, there were at least a couple of labs that developed anti-body tests and were in the process of starting mass-manufacturing them.

Credit to Iceland for the test. Probably the best data we have on that front. Good news is that virus's lethality is probably way overstated. I think you and I have intuitively agreed here. Bad news is obviously asymptomatic people can unknowingly spread it. Probably why Louisiana is getting slammed. Mardi Gras about a month ago. 1.7 million tourists crowded on bourbon street.

[Spurminator]

During a global pandemic, my first thought, naturally, was about the availability of abortions.

Geez

You're probably not pregnant. Do you think women should just get over it and wait a few months?

[slick'81]

Welcome to the 1k club, USA.

1,035 Deaths confirmed thus far.


Fckn sucks,tbh

[TSA]

You're probably not pregnant. Do you think women should just get over it and wait a few months?

If it’s not a human life until it’s born who gives a shit if they have to wait a few months. Beds/doctors for the infected dying or pregnant women wanting to abort, choose one.

[spurraider21]

If it’s not a human life until it’s born who gives a shit if they have to wait a few months. Beds/doctors for the infected dying or pregnant women wanting to abort, choose one.
Because the procedure is easier and less dangerous the earlier it is

[boutons_deux]

https://twitter.com/markmobility/status/1242976342427271169

[DMC]

You're probably not pregnant. Do you think women should just get over it and wait a few months?

You decide who you want to throw out to allow them to have an elective surgery. Bottom line is they aren't dying, while those who need the beds are.

[DMC]

1242976342427271169

I'm done arguing with Trump supporters. Anyone who supports him after this is not reachable.

Show me your cries from a month ago to increase stocks of these supplies.

I'm open minded.

[TSA]

1242976342427271169

I'm done arguing with Trump supporters. Anyone who supports him after this is not reachable.

Government is short on supplies for this for sure, even though Nuclear Threat Initiative and the Johns Hopkins Center for Healthy Security ranked the US the best prepared worldwide for a pandemic.

Who’s responsible for keeping New York hospitals supplied, the US gov or the governor?

[Spurminator]

If it’s not a human life until it’s born who gives a shit if they have to wait a few months. Beds/doctors for the infected dying or pregnant women wanting to abort, choose one.

Jesus, your TDS has even turned you into a "life begins at conception" nut. :lol

[RandomGuy]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464

best guess was .5% at the outset. been running around 1% in most places.

US just passed the 1,000 death mark.

[TSA]

Because the procedure is easier and less dangerous the earlier it is

Are unwanted pregnancies as contagious as Covid 19? Thought we needed all available hospital beds.

[Spurminator]

You decide who you want to throw out to allow them to have an elective surgery. Bottom line is they aren't dying, while those who need the beds are.

I was able to go to the dermatologist yesterday to have a mole looked at. If you think the legislation against abortion is about the availability of beds and OB/GYNs to confront COVID, you're an idiot.

[TSA]

Jesus, your TDS has even turned you into a "life begins at conception" nut. :lol

I’m pro-choice :lol

[DMC]

I was able to go to the dermatologist yesterday to have a mole looked at. If you think the legislation against abortion is about the availability of beds and OB/GYNs to confront COVID, you're an idiot.

Elective surgeries were cancelled. Isn't that what's being discussed?

[RandomGuy]

Government is short on supplies for this for sure, even though Nuclear Threat Initiative and the Johns Hopkins Center for Healthy Security ranked the US the best prepared worldwide for a pandemic.

Who’s responsible for keeping New York hospitals supplied, the US gov or the governor?

Normally is the "free market".

Guess we need some socialism now.

[Spurminator]

I’m pro-choice :lol

You're whatever Dear Leader needs you to be.

[RandomGuy]

1242976342427271169

I'm done arguing with Trump supporters. Anyone who supports him after this is not reachable.

Pretty much. The Trump Death Cult now comes with its own Koolaid and human sacrifice.

Conservatives in 2010:
OBAMBACARE DEATH PANELS ARE COMING FOR NANA!!!

Conservatives in 2020:
NANA MUST DIE SO TRUMP CAN BE RE-ELECTED.

:rolleyes

[boutons_deux]

Government is short on supplies for this for sure, even though Nuclear Threat Initiative and the Johns Hopkins Center for Healthy Security ranked the US the best prepared worldwide for a pandemic.

Who’s responsible for keeping New York hospitals supplied, the US gov or the governor?

obviously, pandemic planning is Federal since pandemics are limited to any state, even your hated blue states.

It's perfectly clear now Trash and his Repug kakistocracy have totally fucked up, ignored their NATIONAL responsibility for pandemic planning and management

I bet Texas is WORSE off than NY, even the vaunted MD Anderson that lost $100M a couple years ago.

[RandomGuy]

Elective surgeries were cancelled. Isn't that what's being discussed?

Abortions are outpatient procedures at this point. Take a combination of two pills, and be done with it. Mail order for the most part. Conservatives targeting clinics have missed that sea change.

[midnightpulp]

best guess was .5% at the outset. been running around 1% in most places.

US just passed the 1,000 death mark.

Consider the size of our population. Italy is at 124 deaths per million people. Germany is a 2 deaths per million. We're at 3.

[Spurminator]

Elective surgeries were cancelled. Isn't that what's being discussed?

And the debate is over whether abortion should be considered an elective surgery. Opinions vary. You've chosen to side with Mississippi's interpretation.

In 2017, 87 abortions were performed in hospitals in the state of Texas. Suggesting they're a drain on beds or hospital supplies is a laughable excuse.

[baseline bum]

Credit to Iceland for the test. Probably the best data we have on that front. Good news is that virus's lethality is probably way overstated. I think you and I have intuitively agreed here. Bad news is obviously asymptomatic people can unknowingly spread it. Probably why Louisiana is getting slammed. Mardi Gras about a month ago. 1.7 million tourists crowded on bourbon street.

And Texas will get slammed soon enough from the fuckheads at South Padre. :pctoss

[TSA]

You're whatever Dear Leader needs you to be.

weak rebuttal

[boutons_deux]

And Texas will get slammed soon enough from the fuckheads at South Padre. :pctoss

and FL

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-florida-coronavirus-stay-at-home-order-20200325-we2ls7dcx5atnpswqyequsveqa-story.html

[TSA]

obviously, pandemic planning is Federal since pandemics are limited to any state, even your hated blue states.

It's perfectly clear now Trash and his Repug kakistocracy have totally fucked up, ignored their NATIONAL responsibility for pandemic planning and management

I bet Texas is WORSE off than NY, even the vaunted MD Anderson that lost $100M a couple years ago.

Sorry, but Cuomo passed on purchasing the needed ventilators for New York in 2015

[boutons_deux]

Hollywood FL is covid-19 hotspot, guess where it is

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hollywood,+FL/@26.039599,-80.2454183,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x88d9a96fc7ff31a7:0x7d77a be75b7b868!8m2!3d26.0112014!4d-80.1494901

[picnroll]

UNITED BIOMEDICAL GROUP’S C19 COMPANY PARTNERS WITH SAN MIGUEL COUNTY, COLORADO TO BE FIRST IN NATION TO TEST AN ENTIRE COUNTY FOR COVID-19 WITH NEW ANTIBODY DIAGNOSTIC TEST


Telluride, CO (March 19, 2020) –United Biomedical, Inc. (UBI) and its subsidiary c19 are taking on the COVID-19 pandemic by partnering with San Miguel County, Colorado, to be the first in the United States to test an entire county with their COVID-19 antibody test for the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The testing is being offered free of charge by UBI and c19 and will be administered by the Public Health Department of San Miguel County, with the goal of detecting and containing community spread, and providing a more accurate assessment of disease prevalence.

“We are thankful for UBI/c19 for taking the leadership to offer these accurate blood tests to our entire county, free of charge, which can be instrumental in saving lives,” said Dr. Sharon Grundy, Public Health Medical Officer for San Miguel County and Medical Director of Primary Care at the Telluride Medical Center. “When we reported this in our county meeting, the entire team cried.”

UBI is a leading international biopharmaceutical group that has successfully developed diagnostics and vaccines for chronic and infectious diseases for more than 30 years. The company has developed an antibody blood screening test for COVID-19 and, at the same time, is progressing a vaccine for COVID-19, which is currently in animal testing. The company is leveraging its prior work with SARS and its extensive collaborations in China, Taiwan and the world, to validate and commercialize this antibody diagnostic test and vaccine through existing manufacturing infrastructure. Through its c19 subsidiary, the company will be one of the first in the nation to offer these antibody tests.

“We have the technology to test with high accuracy and we believe it is our civil responsibility to help serve our communities,” said Mei Mei Hu and Lou Reese, co-founders of UBI’s c19. “We will start with our beloved and isolated town of Telluride and diligently expand through San Miguel, Colorado. Our goal is to show what mass testing and strategic isolation can do together to stop the spread of infection, and to create a model that could save lives worldwide.” A similar test was conducted in Vo, Italy, and the rate of infection was lowered by 90%.

Need for more high-quality, reliable tests

The COVID-19 pandemic has mandated a critical need for rapid and accurate testing throughout the US and internationally. The RT-PCR tests currently being employed are useful at detecting active infections; however, they have important limitations and restrictions. These include variability in accuracy, practical challenges to testing large scale populations, and ability to only detect active infections without being able to determine if someone has been previously infected. As a result, these tests are restricted in application and unable to accurately inform public health officials of the true scope of an outbreak.

The CDC has called for serological antibody tests to be developed and the World Health Organization (WHO) urged all outbreak areas to immediately begin testing with such tests to better track and contain community spread. Antibody tests can help complement RT-PCR tests for a more accurate diagnosis. It can be deployed at large scale to identify asymptomatic patients and those who have already been infected and then recovered, and to provide a more accurate assessment of prevalence of infection and fatality rate.

The UBI/c19 antibody test is accurate and ready for distribution

UBI’s c19 has developed a high-precision antibody blood diagnostic test that has been validated in China, Taiwan and California labs and has virtually 100% sensitivity and specificity in patients who have developed antibodies against the virus (seroconverted). The tests are manufactured in Long Island, N.Y. and can differentiate between COVID-19 and other coronaviruses (e.g., HKU1 and NL63). Results can be obtained within a couple hours. While the company has submitted to the FDA for Emergency Use Authorization, under new FDA guidance this week recognizing the urgent need for access to more high-quality testing, UBI/c19 antibody tests will now be available for use by and marketed to U.S. laboratories prior to EUA.

UBI/c19 also has a COVID-19 vaccine in development that is currently in animal testing. The company’s platform technology has been commercialized in millions of animal health vaccines against infectious disease and tested in multiple human trials for other indications.

https://www.sanmiguelcountyco.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=478

[DarrinS]

best guess was .5% at the outset. been running around 1% in most places.

US just passed the 1,000 death mark.

Based on the Iceland data, it's probably closer to 0.01%.

But, they are probably a way healthier society than ours.

[slick'81]

Hollywood FL is covid-19 hotspot, guess where it is

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hollywood,+FL/@26.039599,-80.2454183,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x88d9a96fc7ff31a7:0x7d77a be75b7b868!8m2!3d26.0112014!4d-80.1494901





https://youtu.be/Zy4JX7qlGa8

[midnightpulp]

https://youtu.be/Zy4JX7qlGa8

You ain't even seen the worst of the young and dumb behavior this week. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-mocking-video-walmart-cody-lee-pfister-licked-deodorant-warrenton-missouri/

[slick'81]

You ain't even seen the worst of the young and dumb behavior this week. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-mocking-video-walmart-cody-lee-pfister-licked-deodorant-warrenton-missouri/


Its everywhere in the usa

[ChumpDumper]

Government is short on supplies for this for sure, even though Nuclear Threat Initiative and the Johns Hopkins Center for Healthy Security ranked the US the best prepared worldwide for a pandemic.

Who’s responsible for keeping New York hospitals supplied, the US gov or the governor?Mostly private companies who don't want to stockpile anything.

[picnroll]

Another article on Covaxx’s coronavirus test.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-tests-everyone-tiny-colorado-county/608590/

[ElNono]

Show me your cries from a month ago to increase stocks of these supplies.

I'm open minded.

Wait, so if nobody complained a month ago, it's not happening? Come on son, you know better than this.

[ChumpDumper]

Wait, so if nobody complained a month ago, it's not happening? Come on son, you know better than this.:lol DuMbC

[ElNono]

Government is short on supplies for this for sure, even though Nuclear Threat Initiative and the Johns Hopkins Center for Healthy Security ranked the US the best prepared worldwide for a pandemic.

Who’s responsible for keeping New York hospitals supplied, the US gov or the governor?

Both, honestly. It's not like NY hasn't been requesting aid from the federal government to handle this pandemic for at least a week or more.

At this point one would have to conclude that the federal government is not suited to provide the required resources either. Heck, POTUS was saying about a month ago how the government was purchasing all these supplies, where are they?

[RandomGuy]

Based on the Iceland data, it's probably closer to 0.01%.

But, they are probably a way healthier society than ours.

Iceland probably did the same things that germany did to limit outbreaks. The kinds of things that a competent, science-based socialist response would do, with universal health care.

We won't do that in the US. Conservatism and free markets will consign us to a higher death rate.

[ElNono]

Consider the size of our population. Italy is at 124 deaths per million people. Germany is a 2 deaths per million. We're at 3.

I think it's safe to say NY is reporting at GMT... went from 14 to 95 in a jiffy :td

[RandomGuy]

Wait, so if nobody complained a month ago, it's not happening? Come on son, you know better than this.

He really doesn't.

[ElNono]

weak rebuttal

not wrong though

[RandomGuy]

Consider the size of our population. Italy is at 124 deaths per million people. Germany is a 2 deaths per million. We're at 3.

... so far. Such metrics are meaningless at the beginning of an outbreak.

"that asteroid hasn't killed anybody yet..."

[boutons_deux]

Madrid’s Ice Rink Turned Into Morgue as Spain Exceeds China in COVID-19 Deaths


https://truthout.org/video/madrids-ice-rink-turned-into-morgue-as-spain-leads-world-in-covid-19-deaths/

[ElNono]

Consider the size of our population. Italy is at 124 deaths per million people. Germany is a 2 deaths per million. We're at 3.

I've been tracking death rate since we crossed 20k cases, and it's been progressively getting worse and worse, as it was somewhat expected. Started at 0.9, we're at 1.5 today.

And this is with NY having the bulk of the issues, and I'm not ready to say the system collapsed there yet, but they have one of the best hospital networks in the country in the Presbyterian Hospital-Columbia and Cornell system, and a lot of hospitals, so this really, really spells trouble for the smaller cities and towns.

[midnightpulp]

For the Texans:

https://www.kxan.com/weather/weather-blog/why-friday-could-be-coronavirus-spread-turning-point-in-austin/

[midnightpulp]

I've been tracking death rate since we crossed 20k cases, and it's been progressively getting worse and worse, as it was somewhat expected. Started at 0.9, we're at 1.5 today.

And this is with NY having the bulk of the issues, and I'm not ready to say the system collapsed there yet, but they have one of the best hospital networks in the country in the Presbyterian Hospital-Columbia and Cornell system, and a lot of hospitals, so this really, really spells trouble for the smaller cities and towns.

NY is a very scary situation. Just the perfect environment for this thing to snowball for the reasons we've talked about. They had their first case a month and half after California and Washington, so it's not like they're ahead. I think mass transit might be the big culprit here. The UK is taking off, as well.

[midnightpulp]

Some good news:

From WH press conference:

Dr. Brix
- 50% of new cases are in the NYC metro area
- NYC new case growth is flattening
- # of NYC hospitalizations projected to increase next week
- Criticized models that show a massive increase in # cases as they "aren’t based on the reality"

Dr. Fauci
- Believes that COVID-19 is probably seasonal
- Looking for the curve to begin bending down
- It will rapidly decline based on the pattern of other nations
- Must be careful to prevent a second outbreak

:tu warm weather theory

[Nathan89]

For the Texans:

https://www.kxan.com/weather/weather-blog/why-friday-could-be-coronavirus-spread-turning-point-in-austin/


Some good news:

From WH press conference:

Dr. Brix
- 50% of new cases are in the NYC metro area
- NYC new case growth is flattening
- # of NYC hospitalizations projected to increase next week
- Criticized models that show a massive increase in # cases as they "aren’t based on the reality"

Dr. Fauci
- Believes that COVID-19 is probably seasonal
- Looking for the curve to begin bending down
- It will rapidly decline based on the pattern of other nations
- Must be careful to prevent a second outbreak

:tu warm weather theory

Great news. Hopefully they'll be able run them clinical trials on the northerners and other countries before I get it. This will give the government more time to increase our medical capacity. Further increase the virus testing and antibodies tests. In the meantime I should probably get healthier tbh

[RandomGuy]

I've been tracking death rate since we crossed 20k cases, and it's been progressively getting worse and worse, as it was somewhat expected. Started at 0.9, we're at 1.5 today.

And this is with NY having the bulk of the issues, and I'm not ready to say the system collapsed there yet, but they have one of the best hospital networks in the country in the Presbyterian Hospital-Columbia and Cornell system, and a lot of hospitals, so this really, really spells trouble for the smaller cities and towns.

Today is the day we will pass italy for number of diagnosed cases. Some time today or Tomorrow, we will pass the reported number for china (to be clear: no one believes their data)

The fucked up part of this is that Trump is viewing this as "look its Democratic governors who aren't kissing my ass". You ding me for hating this fuckwad too much.

You hate him too little. He is a venal, narcissistic conman sociopath. That is killing people, and will kill people.

That is evil, straight up. Fuck you TSA.

[ElNono]

Today is the day we will pass italy for number of diagnosed cases. Some time today or Tomorrow, we will pass the reported number for china (to be clear: no one believes their data)

The fucked up part of this is that Trump is viewing this as "look its Democratic governors who aren't kissing my ass". You ding me for hating this fuckwad too much.

You hate him too little. He is a venal, narcissistic conman sociopath. That is killing people, and will kill people.

That is evil, straight up. Fuck you TSA.

There's no point in hating anybody at this point, tbh... what you can do is let your voice be heard come November and beyond.

In the meantime, try to take care of yourself and loved ones, try to help if you can. We're all in this together no matter what team you root for.

[Blake]

There's no point in hating anybody at this point, tbh... what you can do is let your voice be heard come November and beyond.

In the meantime, try to take care of yourself and loved ones, try to help if you can. We're all in this together no matter what team you root for.

It doesn't cost me anything extra to sit here and hate on Trump. Especially when I don't think he has the same sense of us all being in this together.

I'll give him ten days before he goes Lt Gov Patrick mode.

[ElNono]

It doesn't cost me anything extra to sit here and hate on Trump. Especially when I don't think he has the same sense of us all being in this together.

I'll give him ten days before he goes Lt Gov Patrick mode.

Hey, anybody spend their time however they want. I have better things to do that get bitter over a guy I have no control of.

[slick'81]

Some good news:

From WH press conference:

Dr. Brix
- 50% of new cases are in the NYC metro area
- NYC new case growth is flattening
- # of NYC hospitalizations projected to increase next week
- Criticized models that show a massive increase in # cases as they "aren’t based on the reality"

Dr. Fauci
- Believes that COVID-19 is probably seasonal
- Looking for the curve to begin bending down
- It will rapidly decline based on the pattern of other nations
- Must be careful to prevent a second outbreak

:tu warm weather theory


We can only hope

[MannyIsGod]

I think the best data tracking is to be done via hospitalization rates. Regardless of how much testing is done, cases that result in you having to seek hospital care are much more unlikely to go undetected and really allow us to track things. As more states report hospitalization, we'll be able to get a better handle of how those states are doing with their outbreaks. This is the same technique I linked to in the medium posts yesterday.

[MannyIsGod]

Hopefully Fauci is right regarding warm weather. Thats the one guy on the stage I trust 100%. Birx is OK, but she doesn't cut through the bullshit as much as Fauci.

[midnightpulp]

Hopefully Fauci is right regarding warm weather. Thats the one guy on the stage I trust 100%. Birx is OK, but she doesn't cut through the bullshit as much as Fauci.

I think the fact not many warm weather regions are breaking out is reassuring. Louisiana is perhaps seeing their spike due to the Mardi Gras factor. Even warm weather won't totally contain 1.7 million people basically slobbering all over each other in one big party.

[Reck]

Hopefully Fauci is right regarding warm weather. Thats the one guy on the stage I trust 100%. Birx is OK, but she doesn't cut through the bullshit as much as Fauci.

Next two weeks, we will put that to the test.

We're gonna have a couple of 60 something degree wheather in the next coming days and going forward it should be pleasant wheather.

[MannyIsGod]

I think the fact not many warm weather regions are breaking out is reassuring. Louisiana is perhaps seeing their spike due to the Mardi Gras factor. Even warm weather won't totally contain 1.7 million people basically slobbering all over each other in one big party.

See this is where you and I disagree. Lots of warm weather places are breaking out. They just aren't NYC. But the South is going to be in a wold of hurt soon. The thing is that unless we reduce the R0 under 1, growth continues, just at a slower rate. UAB had a tweet earlier about their hospitcal having some huge issues today, for instance.

[MannyIsGod]

Next two weeks, we will put that to the test.

We're gonna have a couple of 60 something degree wheather in the next coming days and going forward it should be pleasant wheather.

Yeah but even with warm weather (we're hitting 90 here this week) that just means we won't know in the data for nearly 3 weeks. Next 2 weeks we'll see continued growth still because of the lag.

[MannyIsGod]

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[ElNono]

Next two weeks, we will put that to the test.

We're gonna have a couple of 60 something degree wheather in the next coming days and going forward it should be pleasant wheather.

Ehhh... 60 not going to cut it. We're locked in here at ~63 all year round, definitely didn't stop shit

[MannyIsGod]

One thing to remember about seasonality is that its great because it buys us time. It means that IF IT PANS OUT, we will have a break as we approach the summer months. But it also means that if we don't use that time to prepare and protect ourselves, we'll be back in the same situation come the fall/winter. If it turns out to be a thing, we really need to still pour money and resources into being ready for the fall.

[ElNono]

Full text of the bailout law

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6843-revised-final-cares-10-p-m-3-2/ae6f534c4fc474f4ba33/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

[ElNono]

The bill also contains a six-month extension of federal funding through the end of November for abstinence-only education programs favored by social conservatives who are a critical Republican voting bloc. :lol












:lmao:lmao:lmao



tho, to be fair:

The extension is coupled with one for sex education programs that provide information about birth control and safe sex, which are supported by reproductive rights groups that tend to back Democrats.

[Blake]

Hey, anybody spend their time however they want. I have better things to do that get bitter over a guy I have no control of.

Well yeah I'm not gonna waste emotion on him. But if we're sitting here bullshitting on a poli forum, I've got the time

[ElNono]

Well yeah I'm not gonna waste emotion on him. But if we're sitting here bullshitting on a poli forum, I've got the time

If you're angry, that's emotion...

[Trainwreck2100]

The bill also contains a six-month extension of federal funding through the end of November for abstinence-only education programs favored by social conservatives who are a critical Republican voting bloc. :lol












:lmao:lmao:lmao



tho, to be fair:

The extension is coupled with one for sex education programs that provide information about birth control and safe sex, which are supported by reproductive rights groups that tend to back Democrats.
:lol abstinence only is the stupidest shit, every high schooler knows what fucking is thanks to the internet.

[Nathan89]

The bill also contains a six-month extension of federal funding through the end of November for abstinence-only education programs favored by social conservatives who are a critical Republican voting bloc. :lol












:lmao:lmao:lmao



tho, to be fair:

The extension is coupled with one for sex education programs that provide information about birth control and safe sex, which are supported by reproductive rights groups that tend to back Democrats.

They'd be wise to practice some abstinence give the epidemic of single motherhood that's ruining the country.

Neither should be in the bill.

[Blake]

If you're angry, that's emotion...

I think it's possible to hate on Trump here without getting angry.

[ElNono]

I think it's possible to hate on Trump here without getting angry.

Well, that's true. I don't like him, that much has always been pretty clear. Hate though... that's reserved for very few, tbh... Bonner and Shillary come to mind...

[RandomGuy]

Hopefully Fauci is right regarding warm weather. Thats the one guy on the stage I trust 100%. Birx is OK, but she doesn't cut through the bullshit as much as Fauci.

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/trump-fauci-facepalm-2.jpg

[Thread]

Well, that's true. I don't like him, that much has always been pretty clear. Hate though... that's reserved for very few, tbh... Bonner and Shillary come to mind...

...my mother-in-law as well.

[Splits]

1243115190230663169

[Reck]

1243115190230663169

Its true.

For some reason Americans think he's handling the crisis just fine according to polls. This country is full of retards.

[Splits]

1242879985024741382

[hater]

looks like spain has peaked

UK facing tsunami of cases. called it they are the next italy

NY the will peak in 2 weeks maybe a bit less

other hotpots seem to be forming in US like New Orleans

this might become a game of whackamole for US

[hater]

good news. scientist seem to agree this virus is mutating very slowly so a single vaccine could be sufficient to eradicate it :tu

[RandomGuy]

See this is where you and I disagree. Lots of warm weather places are breaking out. They just aren't NYC. But the South is going to be in a wold of hurt soon. The thing is that unless we reduce the R0 under 1, growth continues, just at a slower rate. UAB had a tweet earlier about their hospitcal having some huge issues today, for instance.

Wait until it really hits Florida retirement communities. Let's see how many of his voters the Republican governor is willing to throw into the volcano to appease the Trump death cult billionaire donor class.

[Reck]

looks like spain has peaked

UK facing tsunami of cases. called it they are the next italy

NY the will peak in 2 weeks maybe a bit less

other hotpots seem to be forming in US like New Orleans

this might become a game of whackamole for US

I think we’re actually in the peak window, imo.

By mid day today we’ll have had surpassed Italy in cases. Italy seems to have peaked along with China.

[Thread]

Wait until it really hits Florida retirement communities. Let's see how many of his voters the Republican governor is willing to throw into the volcano to appease the Trump death cult billionaire donor class.


You got get 'em offin' the beaches first, RG.

tee, hee.

[midnightpulp]

See this is where you and I disagree. Lots of warm weather places are breaking out. They just aren't NYC. But the South is going to be in a wold of hurt soon. The thing is that unless we reduce the R0 under 1, growth continues, just at a slower rate. UAB had a tweet earlier about their hospitcal having some huge issues today, for instance.

I'll clarify my thoughts about the warm weather theory. I don't think regions in that particular band will come away unscathed. Viruses still transmit in warm weather, and factors like population density, social behavior, average health and age of the citizens, and health care response will also affect how each region breaks out (heavily populated countries with not-so-great healthcare systems are at risk, i.e. Indonesia). I just believe they won't break out as much, maybe by a factor of 3 to 5x less (correlating to flu rates. New York's flu frequency rate is 7.5x than Texas's, for instance).

I think the fact that the overwhelming majority of breakouts are happening at a certain climate profile is encouraging. Is this just the result of data lag from your Mexicos, Indonesias, Australias, Indias, etc? I guess time will tell.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1242987087818887171

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1242988505070002176

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1242993889780391941

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1242987087818887171

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1242988505070002176

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1242993889780391941

So where are the ventilators now?

[midnightpulp]

A troubling fact about Louisiana:


The 2018-2019 flu season, which ended in May, is the longest one on record since the CDC started tracking the flu 20 years ago. Last year in Louisiana, there were more than 14,000 hospitalizations and 1,400 deaths from flu-related illness.

They've had 75% as many hospitalizations from the flu as California had confirmed cases. Adjusting for pop, .0028/1000. Their flu hospitalization rate alone is 5x times higher than California's flu confirmed case rate and 2.8x higher than Texas's case rate. So this appears to be another region (like Italy) that might be more susceptible to respiratory illness.

[midnightpulp]

CDC ranked LA as the worst in the nation for flu activity just as recent as last October.

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/news/article_4dc2a7e2-f41c-11e9-a012-9b599a028327.html

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1242993889780391941

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1243137256723972098

[boutons_deux]

New York Struggles With Coronavirus, U.S. Deaths Top 1,000

A makeshift morgue was set up outside Bellevue Hospital, and the city’s police, their ranks dwindling as more fall ill, were told to patrol nearly empty streets to enforce social distancing. Another was erected outside a hospital in Elmhurst, Queens:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/960239470200131584/3lc16Jea_bigger.jpg (https://twitter.com/timjhogan)Tim Hogan
(https://twitter.com/timjhogan)✔@timjhogan
(https://twitter.com/timjhogan)
.@nytimes (https://twitter.com/nytimes) has video from a hospital in Elmhurst, Queens. It is horrifying.

“We had to get a refrigerated truck to store the bodies of patients who are dying.”

“Five ventilators...there’s a mythical 100 ventilators out there that we haven’t seen.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-hospitals.amp.html … (https://t.co/zARPofu6pS)



https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1243000462988754946/pu/img/jNrZHizy3eZ7RMrc?format=jpg&name=900x900 (https://twitter.com/timjhogan/status/1243000584254472195)

3,563 (https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1243000584254472195)
9:23 PM - Mar 25, 2020 (https://twitter.com/timjhogan/status/1243000584254472195)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-york-coronavirus-us-deaths_n_5e7c230bc5b6cb08a927d265?ncid=newsltushpm gnews (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-york-coronavirus-us-deaths_n_5e7c230bc5b6cb08a927d265?ncid=newsltushpm gnews)

btw, reading about the 2009/H1N1 as indication where we are going in 2020, Dell hospital in Austin had to set up a tent as a "field hospital" to care for the huge volume of swine flu victims

[midnightpulp]

^, yeah, I always felt the Imperial study was doomsday, probably extrapolating from early data. Now Ferguson says,


UK deaths from the disease are now unlikely to exceed 20,000, he said, and could be much lower.

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238578-uk-has-enough-intensive-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/#ixzz6HoLGdFe4

So a bad flu season for them, and this is in the face of the UK basically filling pubs, public spaces, and their mass transit system as little as 3 days ago. Now he's suddenly an optimist?

Yeah, yeah, I'm just regular Joe and he's an "expert," but there's other experts who don't share his initial conclusions.

I do disagree with the tweeter that we should start opening schools and "getting back to business" soon to "save the economy!" I still believe it's prudent to err on the side of caution, because it isn't worth a single immunosuppressed child dying or getting severely ill so the stock market can go back up. There's no vaccine or herd immunity.

[SnakeBoy]

Hopefully Fauci is right regarding warm weather. Thats the one guy on the stage I trust 100%. Birx is OK, but she doesn't cut through the bullshit as much as Fauci.

Maybe it isn't just temperature we should focus on since the data on temperature/humidity effects on these viruses is poorly understood. Yet we know for a fact seasonality of respiratory viruses exists.

I have read some saying it is is UV intensity that is more responsible for quelling these types of viruses since they are quickly damaged by UV light.

Thoughts?

[pgardn]

“I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it,” the president went on. He started talking about his tour of the CDC he’d taken before his talk to the press. “Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

This is helpful...

Be consistent, be honest about changing situations, and above all make sure the speaker thoroughly understands the subject at hand.

-cdc manual to public speaking concerning outbreaks

The WH needs to sit Trump down and duct tape him to a chair for 3 months.

[DarrinS]

More anecdotes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj537wyzLmo

[pgardn]

Maybe it isn't just temperature we should focus on since the data on temperature/humidity effects on these viruses is poorly understood. Yet we know for a fact seasonality of respiratory viruses exists.

I have read some saying it is is UV intensity that is more responsible for quelling these types of viruses since they are quickly damaged by UV light.

Thoughts?

This is why longer hours (Northern hemisphere) with sunlight(contains uv light) is preferable.
It is also why proper sterile labs have UV lights to turn on when one leaves the room.
UV is wonderful at causing screwups in DNA and RNA (this virus is a RNA virus)
A fantastic sterilizer that can get at places wiping down cannot.

Also for you multicellular humans: wear your sunscreen, uv causes mutations that lead to skin cancer.

[pgardn]

Addendum

UV only penetrates small distances into surfaces so it should be still be great at killing virus left on surfaces outside.
Outside is really preferable imo, as long as distance is maintained....Thankfully for those of us who live in spread out cities like SA. Hit those bike trails.

[boutons_deux]

I happened to read about UV light for killing viruses

the UV from the sun, if you can get enough (you can't), isn't strong enough to kill viruses

also, if the virus is on your skin, you're infected, so disinfecting your skin with a powerful UV lamp (UV is of course a cause of skin cancer) does nothing for the virus inside.

[SnakeBoy]

More anecdotes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj537wyzLmo

Anecdotally, I've noticed obesity is common in those interviewed that have serious illness. Yesterday when they did the local story on the 44yr old woman who died I was wondering about her preinfection health and they showed her picture, yep very heavy.

Obesity is well understood risk factor with influenza, not just greater risk of serious illness but obese people are more infectious when they have the flu.

[boutons_deux]

Fourteen Days. That’s the Most Time We Have to Defeat Coronavirus.

These decisive measures can prevent a decade of dislocation and extraordinary levels of deaths.

By Ezekiel J. Emanuel (https://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/e/ezekiel_j_emanuel/), vice provost of global initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania.

March 23, 2020



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/opinion/contributors/us-coronavirus-response.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/opinion/contributors/us-coronavirus-response.html)

[picnroll]

Military is seeing a lot of cases. As their resources get overrun have to wonder if the SA private sector will be a fall back position. They’re already looking at contingencies.

[pgardn]

I happened to read about UV light for killing viruses

the UV from the sun, if you can get enough (you can't), isn't strong enough to kill viruses

also, if the virus is on your skin, you're infected, so disinfecting your skin with a powerful UV lamp (UV is of course a cause of skin cancer) does nothing for the virus inside.

Not bad boots!

No one should sit under a UV light or just sit outside expecting the UV is going to penetrate or kill stuff on your skin (other than your skin cells themselves)

[MannyIsGod]

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1242993889780391941

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1243137256723972098

They're extrapolating that one small random sampling and taking their best model. I'd be very leery of doing that without getting a much more robust set of random tests.

We definitely need random testing though.

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1242993889780391941

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1243137256723972098

Primary issue I have with the opposition here is that if we do flatten and get back to some normal within weeks, there will be the usual "media hoax" cries and conspiracy theories bandied about by the usual suspects. We can refer to the Diamond Princess cruise ship as an example of just letting the virus do its thing without precaution, and it infected 20 percent of passengers. That's a troublesome figure, and something our shaky medical system would have no hope of handling. Point is, if we flatten it'll be because of these social distancing and stay-at-home measures, not because the virus "wasn't really that infectious or serious."

Where I agree with the opposition is that this isn't the second coming of Ebola and will kill "millions," as some experts have "modeled." I think we'll eventually find a mortality and hospitalization rate around flu levels. But as I've said, an additional flu plus the regular flu is nothing to take lightly.

[SnakeBoy]

Not bad boots!

No one should sit under a UV light or just sit outside expecting the UV is going to penetrate or kill stuff on your skin (other than your skin cells themselves)

They aren't saying UV light to cure an infection. The theory is that since the primary mode of transmission is respiratory droplets the higher UV light reduces the ability of the virus to remain infectious in the air. These are non enveloped rna viruses, they have zero protection from UV light in the environment.

[MannyIsGod]

Maybe it isn't just temperature we should focus on since the data on temperature/humidity effects on these viruses is poorly understood. Yet we know for a fact seasonality of respiratory viruses exists.

I have read some saying it is is UV intensity that is more responsible for quelling these types of viruses since they are quickly damaged by UV light.

Thoughts?

The project I was on during my masters work was looking at the viability of bacterial spores (not anthrax but similar) after they were airborne for awhile. We were looking to see if the ongoing chemical reactions in the atmosphere made them nonviable and really what we found was that UV was the main driver of this. But this was for airborne aerosols that were always exposed to sunlight if it was available (meaning it wasn't cloudy or night time). This obviously changes in different environments ie indoors or inside of a human body.

Frankly, I would be shocked if UV DIDN'T degrade a a virus. UV is highly energetic which is why it breaks molecular bonds (and why it damages human cells) so it should definitely have a detrimental effect on the virus. But if the virus doesn't spend a lot of time in the air anyway since its not really airborne (the bacterial spores we looked at ARE transmitted in an airborne manner which is why this was important), then I'm not sure how much UV exposure it gets. That part I have absolutely no idea about.

But yeah UV is going to be bad for virus viability.

[boutons_deux]

...

[Nathan89]

From 500,000 to 20,000 projected deaths in the UK. That's quite the turnaround. Plus that number states that half of the 20k would've died within the year. That would put the US at 100k if we had the same rate. Sounds a lot better than 1-2 million.

[hater]

China just closed borders to foreigners

fears of 2nd wave grow

its not over even in china while we are not even in diapers yet

this will be a long fucking fight and it will get much worse before we even see a glimmer of hope