Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[SnakeBoy]

Nearly 10,000 minks dead from Covid-19 outbreak at Utah fur farms
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/11/utah-10000-minks-dead-from-coronavirus

[tholdren]

Lololololololol

Study finds 70pct of ppl who get covid...ALWAYS WORE MASK. LOLOLOLOL

[SnakeBoy]

Risk of human‐to‐wildlife transmission of SARS‐CoV‐2
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mam.12225

[tholdren]

Fauci endorsing Trump in ad.

Hilarious

[ElNono]

Fauci endorsing Trump in ad.

Hilarious

Fake news. Sorry this keeps happening to you.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266289&p=10292363&viewfull=1#post10292363

[DMC]

in terms of deaths per million, when was the last time the flu killed as many people as COVID-19 in the USA?

Annually?

[DMC]

Lololololololol

Study finds 70pct of ppl who get covid...ALWAYS WORE MASK. LOLOLOLOL

This doesn't mean much. If 70% of auto related deaths wore seatbelts, that doesn't mean seatbelts are ineffective. It doesn't tell you how many deaths seatbelts prevented.

[tholdren]

This doesn't mean much. If 70% of auto related deaths wore seatbelts, that doesn't mean seatbelts are ineffective. It doesn't tell you how many deaths seatbelts prevented.
It does mean that they are mostly ineffective at preventing the spread of COVID-19

[Winehole23]

Impressive if true, I wish the USA had the ability to do testing on this scale.

(Commies and shitholes running laps around the US, just another day ending in "Y")


Chinese health authorities will test all 9 million people in the eastern city of Qingdao for the coronavirus this week after nine cases linked to a hospital were found, the government announced Monday.

The announcement broke a two-month streak with no virus transmissions reported within China, though China has a practice of not reporting asymptomatic cases. The ruling Communist Party has lifted most curbs on travel and business but still monitors travelers and visitors to public buildings for signs of infection.

Authorities were investigating the source of the infections in eight patients at Qingdao’s Municipal Chest Hospital and one family member, the National Health Commission said.

“The whole city will be tested within five days,” it said on its social media account.
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-international-news-pandemics-asia-china-77da12921617c2c4ed225cdde17b30fd

[Winehole23]

23 reinfections with one confirmed death so far, according to this report


[The clinicians] had access to test samples from both infections and confirmed that the genetic makeup of each virus was different to a degree which cannot be explained through in-vivo evolution. This supports the finding that the woman was suffering from a reinfection with coronavirus.

To date, researchers have confirmed only 23 cases of reinfection, but in all prior cases the patient recovered.

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/10/dutch-researchers-report-first-death-from-covid-19-reinfection/

[SnakeBoy]

The virus that causes COVID-19 can survive on banknotes, glass and stainless steel for up to 28 days, much longer than the flu virus
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/coronavirus-can-last-28-days-on-glass-and-currency-study-finds/ar-BB19WH9R?ocid=uxbndlbing

Don't touch your face

[ChumpDumper]

Dr. Karrin says that's a myth!

[DarrinS]

COVID-19 spreads less commonly through contact with contaminated surfaces

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html

[ChumpDumper]

COVID-19 spreads less commonly through contact with contaminated surfaces

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.htmlThat's not what you said.

[tholdren]

That's not what you said.

Its what I said

[tholdren]

Its what I said
Lollooooooolooll

[ElNono]

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/content/uploads/sites/2/2017/02/08/yb7p8egvrolayykgfceo.gif

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jama/0/m_jld200106f1_1602184426.45616.png?Expires=2147483 647&Signature=FzCgmJFQUmvjPGNIQxAv3Ac0zof5GR3X1yIyGveE I8EzyLaEwOE4P472lglQwkqQ7aXlnhPpMfDywmNSBYDR1HS8rC 6WDygclZrL77DVAZOIVYZtiV4Cbu737jp0zlPuTvwgR~XeCYJQ-9kG5jcCOS~ueK9Ju5WsiwYDZ2bXOSpfAuI8SY8Sa4NmuKkL20D BPwu4aDTBiMGKRYC81dAhZwKfVPuoA237qEE40ZaapG68C2eiF 1NNt3SaAVTWQJXfos0T0M0BnpXm06TY2om3csNMKDYYd9ocAx9 SPNu~wz1LrEOndo7N6nsd2lU4O3a2qTXZPllEpq5NcXVfvna3p Q__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771761?guestAccessKey=0c3da4cd-caaf-48e1-bf7b-2cc3c20a94b7

[Winehole23]

https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jama/0/m_jld200106t1_1602184426.44054.png?Expires=2147483 647&Signature=uSXWwF76rLhv7RVZAw5iLIt8v2b1XceJ9IKQpRyk jNqy84HNRxHHQd5PD2Qcioz9T5eUp1cXOFwUWgVXjRvbBE3KNz sbmw2JOszp9JDoO3RMI-PpVemuSNiUUbyhj-J0tRcWPITMYsjL4I~tuKjIizWQgycK4spzuS9Zc-fSArkWyn~Lm4c7oc1zWVuodV3fYow-Y93WN47LuXMCSDU2ZjoAIgi3I20rNHDuzBIAKE-dtPptGCWxifiufN4a621IT-zXgaqSZZqFxdUHGnQq8aymJvwVb4LHzl8RZ42-gnhZ1SGawSxgm4sBO4KPPu~yCh1f39Gu5NtAnPVuq2MwDw__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA

file:///C:/Users/PF0F7MTF/Downloads/jama_woolf_2020_ld_200072.pdf

[ChumpDumper]

Its what I saidNo, you said no one would die.

[Winehole23]

Of the 225 530 excess deaths, 150 541 (67%) were attributed to COVID-19. Joinpoint analyses revealed an increase in deaths attributed to causes other than COVID-19, with 2 reaching statistical significance. US mortality rates for heart disease increased between weeks ending March 21 and April 11 (APC, 5.1 [95% CI, 0.2-10.2]), driven by the spring surge in COVID-19 cases. Mortality rates for Alzheimer disease/dementia increased twice, between weeks ending March 21 and April 11 (APC, 7.3 [95% CI, 2.9-11.8]) and between weeks ending June 6 and July 25 (APC, 1.5 [95% CI, 0.8-2.3]), the latter coinciding with the summer surge in sunbelt states.

[Winehole23]

COVID-19 and excess all-cause mortality compared with 18 other countries at the JAMA link.

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/covid-mortality-640x481.jpg

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/grim-new-analyses-show-us-covid-death-rates-remain-shamefully-high/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771841

[ChumpDumper]

75,000 motorcycle brisket deaths.

[Spurminator]

COVID-19 and excess all-cause mortality compared with 18 other countries at the JAMA link.

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/covid-mortality-640x481.jpg

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/grim-new-analyses-show-us-covid-death-rates-remain-shamefully-high/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2771841
DMC

[DarrinS]

Very liberal use of the word "healthy" here

30 year old spends 94 days in hospital


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3a0Y3T_CjE


There are probably a number of reasons that Japan and S.Korea have such low mortality, but I'm sure one reason is lower rates of obesity.

[SnakeBoy]

He should've taken pepcid

[Winehole23]

Very liberal use of the word "healthy" here

30 year old spends 94 days in hospital


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3a0Y3T_CjE


There are probably a number of reasons that Japan and S.Korea have such low mortality, but I'm sure one reason is lower rates of obesity.There are a large number of differences between countries. Better health care delivery, COVID-19 testing, social tracing and compliance with non-medical interventions like masking and social distancing make a difference too.

Too bad these still aren't priorities for our federal government. We've had piss poor national leadership on COVID-19.

[Spurminator]

There are a large number of differences between countries. Better health care delivery, COVID-19 testing, social tracing and compliance with non-medical interventions like masking and social distancing make a difference too.

Too bad these still aren't priorities for our federal government. We've had piss poor national leadership on COVID-19.

They'll continue to ignore the obvious when it's staring them in the face because team sports.

No other country has such a significant portion of the population who, emboldened by the performative skepticism of their leader, deny the risk of COVID and refuse to take simple precautions that can contain its spread.

[ChumpDumper]

Why didn't he just pick up his free Regeneron at CVS?

[boutons_deux]

They'll continue to ignore the obvious when it's staring them in the face because team sports.

No other country has such a significant portion of the population who, emboldened by the performative skepticism of their leader, deny the risk of COVID and refuse to take simple precautions that can contain its spread.

And old aspect of Trumpism goes back to St Ronnie The Diseased Useful Idiot:

"Government isn't the solution. Government is the problem"

The oligarchy/Repugs/right wing hate media have been indoctrinating the USA to hate and distrust govt for decades.

Corollary: nothing good can come from govt, ONLY private sector can produce the good.

so destroy govt, and privatize everything, so Capitalists can wealth-suck the country into dysfunction and despair.

So another Repug Useful Idiot comes along and "I'll drain the swamp", the Trumpists had been primed for decades to swallow his lying shit.

[DarrinS]

There are a large number of differences between countries. Better health care delivery, COVID-19 testing, social tracing and compliance with non-medical interventions like masking and social distancing make a difference too.

Too bad these still aren't priorities for our federal government. We've had piss poor national leadership on COVID-19.


BMI > 30 (obese)

Japan 3.6%
US 32%

[SnakeBoy]

BMI > 30 (obese)

Japan 3.6%
US 32%

and Japan at or near herd immunity if the recent antibody study is correct

[DarrinS]

https://i0.wp.com/www.hivehealthmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/oecd-obesity-by-country-2010.png

[ElNono]

https://i0.wp.com/www.hivehealthmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/oecd-obesity-by-country-2010.png

Are you more likely to be infected if you're obese though? How you account for that?

[DarrinS]

Are you more likely to be infected if you're obese though? How you account for that?

More likely to have a bad outcome, if you are infected.

[ElNono]

More likely to have a bad outcome, if you are infected.

Right, but we rank #6 worldwide in number of infected per million people. Countries that didn't get as many deaths also rank much lower in number of infected per million.

Obviously, if you're not infected, you're not going to die from COVID.

[Winehole23]

(It's like infection and morbidity don't even count with these guys.)

[boutons_deux]

Rudy Giuliani just told a dangerous lie to Trump voters

“People don’t die of this disease anymore,”

Giuliani said, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer (https://www.inquirer.com/news/giuliani-trump-italians-philadelphia-columbus-day-20201012.html),

“adding that Democrats were overblowing COVID

because they wanted to frighten people.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/rudy-giuliani-just-told-a-dangerous-lie-to-trump-voters

[Winehole23]

and Japan at or near herd immunity if the recent antibody study is correctAlways be wishcasting.

[SnakeBoy]

Always be wishcasting.

It's not my study

[pgardn]

and Japan at or near herd immunity if the recent antibody study is correct

Tokyo is.
Japan is a very small densely populated country.
trying to achieve the same thing in the US is much much more difficult

in fact it’s not going to happen until a workable vaccine is produced.
and even then the anti vaccination group is significant in both parties.

[DarrinS]

Right, but we rank #6 worldwide in number of infected per million people. Countries that didn't get as many deaths also rank much lower in number of infected per million.

Obviously, if you're not infected, you're not going to die from COVID.


https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200924/Tokyo-citizens-may-have-developed-COVID-19-herd-immunity-say-researchers.aspx

[Winehole23]

It's not my studyYour guess about herd immunity based on it is wishcasting.

[SnakeBoy]

Your guess about herd immunity based on it is wishcasting.

I didn't guess

[Winehole23]

cases in all US region rising

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/covid-regions-8.png

[Winehole23]

I didn't guess"if the antibody study is correct" :lol

[boutons_deux]

First USA c,,ase of reinfection raises questions about immunity and herd immunity

[SnakeBoy]

"if the antibody study is correct" :lol

that's not a guess

[baseline bum]

and Japan at or near herd immunity if the recent antibody study is correct

Where did you see that? Hard to imagine Japan being 60% to 70% infected.

[Winehole23]

that's not a guessYou're assuming at least two unknowns, the accuracy of the antibody study and the herd immunity level for COVID-19.

[TimDunkem]

Where did you see that? Hard to imagine Japan being 60% to 70% infected.

It's bs.

[boutons_deux]

Where did you see that? Hard to imagine Japan being 60% to 70% infected.

Tokyo citizens may have developed COVID-19 herd immunity

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200924/Tokyo-citizens-may-have-developed-COVID-19-herd-immunity-say-researchers.aspx

[ElNono]

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200924/Tokyo-citizens-may-have-developed-COVID-19-herd-immunity-say-researchers.aspx

Cool dodge.

[boutons_deux]

As Trash and Julie Annie outright LIE, of course, about "disappearing" and "nobody dies from covid19" ...

"Seventeen U.S. states hit new highs in their seven-day averages of coronavirus cases on Monday (https://s2.washingtonpost.com/2c1fbe9/5f860e4c9d2fda0efb48387c/59740db3ade4e21a8493fdae/10/69/e38550bb0d5ab47cac3949357257135f), and

eight of them reached new records again by Tuesday afternoon.

Overall, 40 states have seen a week-to-week increase in infections.

Health experts are worried the upward trends could mean an even greater surge in the months to come."

-- WaPo email

[Winehole23]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/covid-asia-1.png

[tholdren]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/covid-asia-1.png

Now do tests

[tholdren]

cases in all US region rising

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/covid-regions-8.png

Now do tests

[Winehole23]

Now do testsYour hobby horse, your burden.

(Make your own here, if you like: http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ )

[Winehole23]

Trump's COVID-19 policy is the moral equivalent of mass murder, only it's worse than that. It intentionally spreads sickness and disability too.


The declaration has more than 9,000 signatories from all over the world, its website says, though most of the names are not public. The document grew out of a meeting hosted by the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian-leaning research organization.https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/13/world/coronavirus-covid/white-house-embraces-declaration-that-opposes-lockdowns-and-relies-on-herd-immunity

[boutons_deux]

Americans still fucking themselves, in health which means in finances

COVID-19 in the US:

44 states are in the red, including Mass.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/25/nation/graphics-where-coronavirus-is-spiking-us

[Winehole23]

It's not an either or question. If we don't get a handle on COVID, the economy will continue to be wonky.

1316467600008806400

[ducks]

Have you forgotten that Dr Birx defined that as “best case”???

[Winehole23]

Have you forgotten that Dr Birx defined that as “best case”???We're way past that figure now, and the outbreak isn't nearly over.

[tholdren]

Your hobby horse, your burden.

(Make your own here, if you like: http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ )

BwahahahhahahahahahahahahHH
Can't recognize these cases follow tests. Record cases record tests 87pct asymptomatic.


Lllololokklkkklmmkkllllookokll

[hater]

Have you forgotten that Dr Birx defined that as “best case”???

Have you forgotten that Trump said this would go away like magic in spring 2020?

[Winehole23]

BwahahahhahahahahahahahahHH
Can't recognize these cases follow tests. Record cases record tests 87pct asymptomatic.


Lllololokklkkklmmkkllllookokllmore hand waving, zero support given

[ElNono]

Have you forgotten that Trump said this would go away like magic in spring 2020?

:lol

[tholdren]

more hand waving, zero support given

The usa reports a million tests a day.

https://covidtracking.com/data/national

You posting raw data means nothing. Its gossip. Just like ElNomath

[tholdren]

Have you forgotten that Trump said this would go away like magic in spring 2020?

You said trump.would die from covid.

[Winehole23]

The usa reports a million tests a day.

https://covidtracking.com/data/national

You posting raw data means nothing. Its gossip. Just like ElNomathIt's on you to show the correlation between the trend of testing and new cases.You haven't done that.

Do you rule out the possibility that COVID-19 is still spreading, i.e., that there are more symptomatic people seeking tests? IOW, that the rate of growth of the caseload is patient rather than testing driven?

(Piss poor social tracing means we still aren't catching very many unsymptomatic cases.)

[pgardn]

Cases up in Europe as well.
here we go, again.

[SnakeBoy]

1307725156618510336

[Winehole23]

The Lancet slams the idea of herd immunity through infection rather than vaccine:

https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S014067362032153X.pdf

[Winehole23]

The arrival of a second wave and the realisation of the challenges ahead has led to renewed interest in a so-called herd immunity approach, which suggests allowing a large uncontrolled outbreak in the low-risk population while protecting the vulnerable. Proponents suggest this would lead to the development of infection-acquired population immunity in the low-risk population,which will eventually protect the vulnerable.This is a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence.Any pandemic management strategy relying upon immunity from natural infections for COVID-19 is flawed. Uncontrolled transmission in younger people risks significant morbidity3 and mortality across the whole population. In addition to the human cost, this would impact the workforce as a whole and overwhelm the ability of healthcare systems to provide acute and routine care. Furthermore, there is no evidence for lasting protective immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following natural infection,4 and the endemic transmission that would be the consequence of waning immunity would present a risk to vulnerable populations for the indefinite future.

[Winehole23]

Such a strategy would not end the COVID-19 pandemic but result in recurrent epidemics, as was the case with numerous infectious diseases before the advent of vaccination. It would also place an unacceptable burden on the economy and healthcare workers, many of whom have died from COVID-19 or experienced trauma as a result of having to practise disaster medicine. Additionally, we still do not understand who might suffer from long COVID.3 Defining who is vulnerable is complex, but even if we consider those at risk of severe illness, the proportion of vulnerable people constitute as much as 30% of the population in some regions.8 Prolonged isolation of large swathes of the population is practically impossible and highly unethical. Empirical evidence from many countries shows that it is not feasible to restrict uncontrolled outbreaks to particular sections of society. Such an approach also risks further exacerbating the socioeconomic inequities and structural discriminations already laid bareby the pandemic. Special efforts to protect the most vulnerable are essential but must go hand-in-hand with multi-pronged population-level strategies

[Winehole23]

1316523997274791937 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1316523997274791937)

[Reck]

So the new Trump strategy is heard immunity which means, no strategy at all and just let the virus infect the whole population AKA let millions of Americans die in the process and even then hope it sticks.

Trump is a true menace to this country.

[Will Hunting]

We're now back at 60k cases a day like we were in July/August. Fortunately this outbreak is hitting the rural areas full of Trump supporters, people who brought this entire clusterfuck on themselves.

[benefactor]

We're now back at 60k cases a day like we were in July/August. Fortunately this outbreak is hitting the rural areas full of Trump supporters, people who brought this entire clusterfuck on themselves.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/VHW0X0GEQQjiU/giphy.gif

[tholdren]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/VHW0X0GEQQjiU/giphy.gif

Testing dolt

[tholdren]

SAGE made – and continues to make – two fatal errors in its assessment of the SAR-CoV-2 pandemic, rendering its predictions wildly inaccurate, with disastrous results. These errors led SAGE to conclude that the pandemic is still in its early stages, with the vast majority (93%) of the UK population remaining susceptible to infection and that, in the absence of more action, a very high number of deaths will occur.

Error 1: Assuming that 100% of the population was susceptible to the virus and that no pre-existing immunity existed.Error 2: The belief that the percentage of the population that has been infected can be determined by surveying what fraction of the population has antibodies

[ElNono]

We're now back at 60k cases a day like we were in July/August. Fortunately this outbreak is hitting the rural areas full of Trump supporters, people who brought this entire clusterfuck on themselves.

Herd immunity strategy endorsed by White House a 'ridiculous' way to stop COVID-19, scientists say – it will just kill people

The idea that the public can infect its way out of the COVID-19 pandemic is "a dangerous fallacy unsupported by the scientific evidence," 80 researchers said Wednesday in a letter published in the Lancet.
(https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140-6736(20)32153-x)

They strongly denounced the idea, advocated by the White House, of achieving "herd immunity" against the virus that causes the disease by letting healthy people with a low risk of serious illness get infected.


A community is considered to have herd immunity when enough people build up protection against a pathogen, either through natural infection or a vaccine. For extremely contagious viruses such as the measles, about 90% of the population must be protected to prevent transmission.


No one knows exactly how many people need to be protected to stop COVID-19 from spreading, but estimates range from 50%-70% of the population.


There are more than 7.9 million cases and more than 217,000 deaths in the USA, according to Johns Hopkins data. (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html) Five states had a record number of deaths in a week, and 12 states set records for new cases in a week, a USA TODAY analysis found.


A memorandum published Oct. 4, called the Great Barrington Declaration, (https://gbdeclaration.org/) called for the world to embrace herd immunity for COVID-19 as a way to protect the vulnerable while allowing economies to thrive.


The declaration came out of a meeting hosted by the libertarian-leaning American Institute for Economic Research. Its website says it has more than 9,000 signatures, though most names are not public.


“The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk," the declaration says.


According to The New York Times, a senior administration official, speaking anonymously, said Monday that the president has long supported (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/10/14/covid-news-hawaii-tourism-donald-trump-iowa-delta/3645132001/) the idea. "The plan is endorsing what the president's policy has been for months," he said.



The idea leaves most epidemiologists appalled and incredulous.

"It's just ridiculous," said Yvonne Maldonado, an epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist at Stanford University Medical School. "Everything they say (in the declaration) is either misinformation or an outright lie."


Thomas File, president of the Infectious Diseases Society of America, denounced the declaration Wednesday, saying it was "released without data or evidence."

Read more:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/10/14/herd-immunity-scientists-say-trump-endorsed-covid-strategy-deadly/3655134001/

---

:lol that GBD was funded by Charles Koch.

[ElNono]

SAGE made – and continues to make – two fatal errors in its assessment of the SAR-CoV-2 pandemic, rendering its predictions wildly inaccurate, with disastrous results. These errors led SAGE to conclude that the pandemic is still in its early stages, with the vast majority (93%) of the UK population remaining susceptible to infection and that, in the absence of more action, a very high number of deaths will occur.

Error 1: Assuming that 100% of the population was susceptible to the virus and that no pre-existing immunity existed.Error 2: The belief that the percentage of the population that has been infected can be determined by surveying what fraction of the population has antibodies

Wrong

[tholdren]

Wrong

Elwrongwrong so triggered he's copying Trump

[ElNono]

Elwrongwrong so triggered he's copying Trump

Gossip

[hater]

:wow

When this started they said 400k US deaths by Feb 2021 was a WORSE CASE SCENARIO

Now we are looking at 400k deaths by then as a good case scenario :wow

Damn

[tholdren]

Elwrongwrong so triggered he's copying Trump

We do not currently recommend face masks in public settings since the scientific evidence around the effectiveness of face masks in combatting the spread of infection is unclear. However, there may be situations where face masks can be useful despite the uncertain state of knowledge about the effects.

Face masks must always be seen as complementary to other recommendations: stay at home when you have symptoms, wash your hands regularly and keep at a distance from others.

[RandomGuy]

you mean assumptions like how family gatherings are dangerous. Lololololol

Health experts say family gatherings have become a key factor in COVID-19 cases

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/health-experts-say-family-gatherings-have-become-a-key-factor-in-covid-19-cases/ar-BB1a64eg


:rollin

[RandomGuy]

Chumpy facebook confident that family gatherings are dangerous but doesn't know why. Doesn't know how virus spreads. Yikes

Health experts say family gatherings have become a key factor in COVID-19 cases

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/health-experts-say-family-gatherings-have-become-a-key-factor-in-covid-19-cases/ar-BB1a64eg

:rollin

[tholdren]

Health experts say family gatherings have become a key factor in COVID-19 cases

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/health-experts-say-family-gatherings-have-become-a-key-factor-in-covid-19-cases/ar-BB1a64eg

:rollin

BwahagahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaH

They said schools were doing it too... lolokokokololll


2 more weeks.


Beahahhahahahahahhahahahahahah

[ElNono]

BwahagahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaH

They said schools were doing it too... lolokokokololll

2 more weeks.

Beahahhahahahahahhahahahahahah

F:lolldren said 10k deaths before folding into the bunker Beahahhahahahahahhahahahahahah

[tholdren]

BwahagahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaH

They said schools were doing it too... lolokokokololll


2 more weeks.


Beahahhahahahahahhahahahahahah

[boutons_deux]

"A long-feared autumn spike in infections and serious illnesses has arrived.

“This is not a regional crisis, but instead one that is intensifying almost everywhere in the country,”our Health desk wrote (https://s2.washingtonpost.com/2c2e0e0/5f8a03469d2fda0efb4b7d9d/59740db3ade4e21a8493fdae/10/72/e38550bb0d5ab47cac3949357257135f).

The number of daily new U.S. coronavirus cases reached its highest point since late July, exceeding 64,000 on Thursday.

Nearly every state has reported rising caseloads in the last few weeks, and

hospitals in the Upper Midwest and Great Plains are running low on intensive-care beds

as tens of thousands of people across the country fall ill with the disease."

-- WaPo email

The Trump-Made Pandemic continues its CARNAGE on American health and economy.

[DMC]

:wow

When this started they said 400k US deaths by Feb 2021 was a WORSE CASE SCENARIO

Now we are looking at 400k deaths by then as a good case scenario :wow

Damn

lol no

but if so I called it.

[ChumpDumper]

Health experts say family gatherings have become a key factor in COVID-19 cases

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/health-experts-say-family-gatherings-have-become-a-key-factor-in-covid-19-cases/ar-BB1a64eg

:rollin


F:lolldren said 10k deaths before folding into the bunker Beahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahf:lolldren is too scared to even say how he thinks the virus is spread.

[RandomGuy]

BwahagahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaH

lolokokokololll

Beahahhahahahahahhahahahahahah

https://media.giphy.com/media/1229mlttgo8aR2/giphy.gif

[RandomGuy]

aw man... that was funny, if I do say so myself (wipes tear from eye) (snorts)

[pgardn]

https://media.giphy.com/media/1229mlttgo8aR2/giphy.gif

looolll whaa bwahahahah

[tholdren]

Health experts say family gatherings have become a key factor in COVID-19 cases

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/health-experts-say-family-gatherings-have-become-a-key-factor-in-covid-19-cases/ar-BB1a64eg

:rollin

Loloooooooooloookoiokoolkklloollo

Sweet data in this here msn article


Masks work
Hospitals all over capacity!!!


Lololl

He posted in march there would be 480k deaths in 2 months. Lllololololollokl



Yet out of the 99.9 percent of the unhealthy here on spurstalk 0 have deceased.

Lol

Hide

[RandomGuy]

Loloooooooooloookoiokoolkklloollo

Lololl

Lllololololollokl



https://media.giphy.com/media/1229mlttgo8aR2/giphy.gif


:lol

[tholdren]

Loloooooooooloookoiokoolkklloollo

Sweet data in this here msn article


Masks work
Hospitals all over capacity!!!


Lololl

He posted in march there would be 480k deaths in 2 months. Lllololololollokl



Yet out of the 99.9 percent of the unhealthy here on spurstalk 0 have deceased.

Lol

Hide

How are those Texas hospitals? You said we would all be dead last June. Here we are. Traveling, no mask. I win

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus trounces both teams in ill-fated hockey game

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-10-16/coronavirus-trounces-both-teams-in-ill-fated-hockey-game

===============

Indoor sports potential superspreader events, CDC says,

after most ice hockey players in Florida game infected with Covid-19

https://northeast.newschannelnebraska.com/story/42774247/indoor-sports-potential-superspreader-events-cdc-says-after-most-ice-hockey-players-in-florida-game-infected-with-covid-19

[boutons_deux]

Airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2

There is overwhelming evidence that inhalation of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) represents a major transmission route for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

Individuals with COVID-19, many of whom have no symptoms,

release thousands of virus-laden aerosols and far fewer droplets when breathing and talking (4 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6514/303.2.full#ref-4)–6 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6514/303.2.full#ref-6)).

Thus, one is far more likely to inhale aerosols than be sprayed by a droplet (7 (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6514/303.2.full#ref-7)), and

so the balance of attention must be shifted to protecting against airborne transmission.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/370/6514/303.2.full

[pgardn]

How are those Texas hospitals? You said we would all be dead last June. Here we are. Traveling, no mask. I win

Liar and...

needy punk of an old man

[tholdren]

Liar and...

needy punk of an old man

You and wrongdomGuy did in that epic Houston thread.

[tholdren]

Herd immunity strategy endorsed by White House a 'ridiculous' way to stop COVID-19, scientists say – it will just kill people

The idea that the public can infect its way out of the COVID-19 pandemic is "a dangerous fallacy unsupported by the scientific evidence," 80 researchers said Wednesday in a letter published in the Lancet.
(https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140-6736(20)32153-x)

They strongly denounced the idea, advocated by the White House, of achieving "herd immunity" against the virus that causes the disease by letting healthy people with a low risk of serious illness get infected.


A community is considered to have herd immunity when enough people build up protection against a pathogen, either through natural infection or a vaccine. For extremely contagious viruses such as the measles, about 90% of the population must be protected to prevent transmission.


No one knows exactly how many people need to be protected to stop COVID-19 from spreading, but estimates range from 50%-70% of the population.


There are more than 7.9 million cases and more than 217,000 deaths in the USA, according to Johns Hopkins data. (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html) Five states had a record number of deaths in a week, and 12 states set records for new cases in a week, a USA TODAY analysis found.


A memorandum published Oct. 4, called the Great Barrington Declaration, (https://gbdeclaration.org/) called for the world to embrace herd immunity for COVID-19 as a way to protect the vulnerable while allowing economies to thrive.


The declaration came out of a meeting hosted by the libertarian-leaning American Institute for Economic Research. Its website says it has more than 9,000 signatures, though most names are not public.


“The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk," the declaration says.


According to The New York Times, a senior administration official, speaking anonymously, said Monday that the president has long supported (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/10/14/covid-news-hawaii-tourism-donald-trump-iowa-delta/3645132001/) the idea. "The plan is endorsing what the president's policy has been for months," he said.



The idea leaves most epidemiologists appalled and incredulous.

"It's just ridiculous," said Yvonne Maldonado, an epidemiologist and infectious disease specialist at Stanford University Medical School. "Everything they say (in the declaration) is either misinformation or an outright lie."


Thomas File, president of the Infectious Diseases Society of America, denounced the declaration Wednesday, saying it was "released without data or evidence."

Read more:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/10/14/herd-immunity-scientists-say-trump-endorsed-covid-strategy-deadly/3655134001/

---

:lol that GBD was funded by Charles Koch.

Elwrongwrong.loloooooooooll


So ignorant.

[hater]

lol no

but if so I called it.

Says the guy who wanted to bomb Wuhan :lol

[pgardn]

You and wrongdomGuy did in that epic Houston thread.

link it old man, you won’t.

[pgardn]

Says the guy who wanted to bomb Wuhan :lol

That is rich.
Your turn with Assad and gassing his own people.
Then Putin and his problem with hits on political opponents.

[tholdren]

link it old man, you won’t.

Lolooooll

So you didn't say that



Lolooollool

Low level math right there

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUdQpFyF2G8

[tholdren]

Lolooooll

So you didn't say that



Lolooollool

Low level math right there

[tholdren]

Lol raw data!!!! Cases!!!!

[tholdren]

Lol raw data!!!! Cases!!!!

[Winehole23]

a demain

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54585828

[tholdren]

a demain

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54585828

Ruining lives to save 0 lives. Thats science!

[SnakeBoy]

a demain

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54585828

lol

[tholdren]

Ruining lives to save 0 lives. Thats science!

[baseline bum]

How will the Repug-run CDC/HHS fuck this up?

Turns out, in spectacular fashion

[tholdren]

Turns out, in spectacular fashion

Derpinator

[baseline bum]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.

[tholdren]

This message is hidden because tholdren is on your ignore list.
Derpology

[baseline bum]

This message is hidden because foldren is on your ignore list.

[pgardn]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tholdren (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10299186#post10299186)
Ruining lives to save 0 lives. Thats science!

Yes.
Exactly.

Did you ask to be born? Cause if so, you should have said no.

[tholdren]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tholdren (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10299186#post10299186)
Ruining lives to save 0 lives. Thats science!

Yes.
Exactly.

Did you ask to be born? Cause if so, you should have said no.

Ruining lives to save 0 lives.

Good work

[pgardn]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.pngOriginally Posted by tholdren (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10299186#post10299186)
Ruining lives to save 0 lives. Thats science!

Yes.
Exactly.

Did you ask to be born? Cause if so, you should have said no.

You said yes.
And the rest of us suffer for it.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/121488911_10218415389122812_7968551538325234288_n. jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=h16JalE6o94AX9pumyr&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=22aae49947c2216944555523a39e9d05&oe=5FB2080A

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122056467_1004231386748568_1754539336749340101_o.j pg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=vkPJACaKaZQAX8qwqZf&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=f25ff6138174a26036346f32f9f7496f&oe=5FB215F7

[boutons_deux]

...

[Winehole23]

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/indoor-sex-ban-tier-2-couples-living-apart-a4571925.html

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofGMSH5tjYk

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofGMSH5tjYk

Was just going to post this.

[tholdren]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122056467_1004231386748568_1754539336749340101_o.j pg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=vkPJACaKaZQAX8qwqZf&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=f25ff6138174a26036346f32f9f7496f&oe=5FB215F7

Lol wrong. Cases spiked every time there is more testing. Actually more cases have come after mask mandate. Science

[tholdren]

Lol wrong. Cases spiked every time there is more testing. Actually more cases have come after mask mandate. Science

[boutons_deux]

The Third Coronavirus Surge Has Arrived

This week’s COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations make clear that the U.S. is once again sinking deeper into the pandemic.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/myUrnpTnng5aey5RZeie88i-FQHrUW7jg-H_Ik9nGlubrfMM-Ix8Rd_ZgDlmkxSQqM5LHZZMc4iAhsIAQaXfJFzFZtSt0S5OlD-i-gTS0n6bFQBWGxQ0Jmj711XyAy3xmm4r0fbp


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fjYh9YbUjhJU8qR-Lh3FugFVzpb4sizEOl9NPSE5rcdRmp6rMC331QC9-kp6NXBw5yWF1fq_2eD535TZWG-HCr18FRwwjTR8VJoTl8eAfdiQIqyQ5cl-U37IIWECsYJ9BN1qSAz

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/10/coronavirus-third-surge/616750 (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/10/coronavirus-third-surge/616750/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=atlantic-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20201019&silverid-ref=NjMwMjkwNjYyOTQ2S0)

[boutons_deux]

Overdoses Are Skyrocketing During COVID-19.

The DEA Is Making It Worse.

the COVID-19 pandemic has disrupted treatment and aggravated the underlying causes of drug misuse, according to multiple data sources.

law enforcement restricts the supply of pharmaceutical opioids, forcing pain patients and drug users toward dangerous substitutes such as heroin and fentanyl that fuel high rates of fatal overdoses.

Reports gathered from across the country show a roughly 18 percent spike in drug overdoses in the two months following March 19 of this year,

Since March, at least 40 states have reported an increase in opioid overdose deaths

the Trump administration continues to wage the failed war on drugs and people who use them,

while failing to increase access to addiction treatment (https://truthout.org/articles/as-drug-war-rages-most-people-who-need-treatment-dont-get-it/) at levels necessary for reducing overdose deaths.

“What COVID is doing is exacerbating problems that were already there when it came to dealing with the overdose crisis, so that it is even more difficult for people to get access to services.”

doctors must obtain a special federal waiver (https://www.asam.org/advocacy/practice-resources/buprenorphine-waiver-management) to prescribe buprenorphine, a drug proven to treat opioid addiction, and federal law restricts them from providing it for more than 100 patients at a time.

Today, the vast majority of doctors (https://www.medpagetoday.com/psychiatry/addictions/71169) do not have a buprenorphine waiver, but they are legally allowed to prescribe other opioid drugs such as painkillers.

The DEA has raided and shut down pain and addiction treatment clinics (https://www.thedailybeast.com/addiction-doctor-dea-shut-me-down-so-mayor-could-clean-up-town) as well as specialty pharmacies across the country, erecting massive barriers to care (https://www.register-herald.com/news/state_region/judge-goodwin-dea-had-no-evidence-to-support-oak-hill-pharmacy-suspension/article_88fd1642-3200-5091-b236-c127d11584d3.html) for patients.

doctors and pharmacies are discouraged from serving pain and addiction patients out of fear that they could be targeted by the DEA.

https://truthout.org/articles/overdoses-are-skyrocketing-during-covid-19-the-dea-is-making-it-worse/

Any pandemic is disruptive. The Trump-Made Pandemic is vastly more disruptive and mortal than necessary.

[boutons_deux]

Trash will disappear in a few weeks

but The Trash-Made Pandemic will continue unabated, sickening and killing 100Ks of Americans

Epidemiologist warns next 6 to 12 weeks will be ‘darkest of the entire pandemic’

more epidemiologists are warning of tough times ahead in the fall and winter.


“The next six to 12 weeks are going to be the darkest of the entire pandemic,” Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota,

“When I was on this show last on Sept. 13,” Osterholm told moderator Chuck Todd,

“we had 33,000 cases reported that day.

You may recall I warned that we were going to see a very dark fall.

Friday, we had 70,000 cases,

matching the largest number we had seen back during the really serious peak in July.

That number, we’re going to blow right through that.

And between now and the holidays, we will see numbers much, much larger than even the 67,000 to 75,000 cases.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/19/nation/epidemiologist-warns-next-6-12-weeks-will-be-darkest-entire-pandemic

[boutons_deux]

CNN hosts visibly unnerved after hearing doctor’s ‘bleak’ new COVID projections

an infectious disease expert warned the country is about to experience

“one of the darkest chapters in modern American history” thanks to the novel coronavirus pandemic (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/texas-doctor-blasts-trumps-covid-19-misinformation-campaign-you-cant-hide-hospitalizations/).

Dr. Peter Hotez, the co-director of the Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development, told CNN on Tuesday that the

next three months were likely to be absolutely horrific when it comes to Americans’ health and well being.

“As bad as it’s been it’s about to get worse,” he said.

“And that’s based on projections about a fall/winter surge as people are indoors more…

some of the projections just awful.

We could be looking at a doubling of the number of deaths a week before the inauguration.

This is tough stuff.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/cnn-hosts-visibly-unnerved-after-hearing-doctors-bleak-new-projections (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/cnn-hosts-visibly-unnerved-after-hearing-doctors-bleak-new-projections/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5713)

[baseline bum]

Trash will disappear in a few weeks

but The Trash-Made Pandemic will continue unabated, sickening and killing 100Ks of Americans

Epidemiologist warns next 6 to 12 weeks will be ‘darkest of the entire pandemic’

more epidemiologists are warning of tough times ahead in the fall and winter.


“The next six to 12 weeks are going to be the darkest of the entire pandemic,” Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota,

“When I was on this show last on Sept. 13,” Osterholm told moderator Chuck Todd,

“we had 33,000 cases reported that day.

You may recall I warned that we were going to see a very dark fall.

Friday, we had 70,000 cases,

matching the largest number we had seen back during the really serious peak in July.

That number, we’re going to blow right through that.

And between now and the holidays, we will see numbers much, much larger than even the 67,000 to 75,000 cases.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/19/nation/epidemiologist-warns-next-6-12-weeks-will-be-darkest-entire-pandemic




Ugh if it's Osterholm making that projection, you can take it to the fucking bank. He was the one telling us it was airborne transmission back in March when everyone else thought it was mainly transmitted on surfaces by touch.

[Will Hunting]

Ugh if it's Osterholm making that projection, you can take it to the fucking bank. He was the one telling us it was airborne transmission back in March when everyone else thought it was mainly transmitted on surfaces by touch.
I think it is.

By Thanksgiving we're gonna be at 1,200 deaths a day and 65k new daily cases over a 7 day average. That might even be a generous timeline.

[TimDunkem]

I think it is.

By Thanksgiving we're gonna be at 1,200 deaths a day and 65k new daily cases over a 7 day average. That might even be a generous timeline.

Probably generous. We were at those numbers during the Summer surge.

[Will Hunting]

Probably generous. We were at the numbers during the Summer surge.
Yeah I think it'll get even worse in December, mostly predicting how long it takes for us to ramp back up to summer surge numbers.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah I think it'll get even worse in December, mostly predicting how long it takes for us to ramp back up to summer surge numbers.

Ah I see now. That actually seems accurate. Then again 14 states have had record hospitalizations in just the past two weeks, so we'll see..

[TimDunkem]

foldren you're going to have to post 300 times a day now to mitigate all this science.

[Will Hunting]

Ah I see now. That actually seems accurate. Then again 14 states have had record hospitalizations in just the past two weeks, so we'll see..
Yeah it might be a quicker ramp up since the outbreaks we're seeing are in the brain dead muh heartland area of the country full of obese white trash that buys its groceries at Walmart. Even if half the population of Bismark were infected you'd never see a mask mandate in North Dakota :lol

[TimDunkem]

:lol North Dakota

Those fucks had 50 ICU beds left last week. They were flying people to Cheyenne, Sioux Falls, and Minneapolis because their shit system is already collapsing.

[baseline bum]

I think it is.

By Thanksgiving we're gonna be at 1,200 deaths a day and 65k new daily cases over a 7 day average. That might even be a generous timeline.

And then people meeting in large groups inside for Thanksgiving and Christmas. And you can bet if Trump loses he'll have the nation handed to Biden in the worst possible shape it can be. And if he wins he has no reason to give a shit about the people since he'll have just gotten elected to another four year term.

[baseline bum]

:lol North Dakota

Those fucks had 50 ICU beds left last week. They were flying people to Cheyenne, Sioux Falls, and Minneapolis because their shit system is already collapsing.

foldren will say no hospital over capacity because they flew them to others. Just like when the shit was happening in Texas.

[Will Hunting]

:lol North Dakota

Those fucks had 50 ICU beds left last week. They were flying people to Cheyenne, Sioux Falls, and Minneapolis because their shit system is already collapsing.
No matter how many North Dakota retards are subject to 100k medical bills because they got COVID, you can bet most of them will still be against masks and against Medicare for all :lol

[Will Hunting]

And then people meeting in large groups inside for Thanksgiving and Christmas. And you can bet if Trump loses he'll have the nation handed to Biden in the worst possible shape it can be. And if he wins he has no reason to give a shit about the people since he'll have just gotten elected to another four year term.
The only positive I see is that if the Democrats take control and handle COVID with a modicum of competence, we'll be mostly back to normal by late 2022 and they'll actually do well in midterms despite being in the White House (similar to how 9/11 saved the GOP in 2002 midterms). National tragedy seems to be the one thing that makes it so the incumbent party does well in midterm elections.

[boutons_deux]

"The pandemic has led to at least 80,000 more U.S. deaths than the official toll records,

according to a report on excess mortality released Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The country's tally of confirmed coronavirus deaths stood at about 220,000 as of this afternoon. (https://s2.washingtonpost.com/2c3e66d/5f8f51699d2fda0efb4fa1c0/59740db3ade4e21a8493fdae/10/61/e38550bb0d5ab47cac3949357257135f)

But the CDC analysis found that, by early October,

nearly 300,000 more people across the country had died than would be expected in a typical year.

The hidden fatalities are believed to be

people who died of covid-19 without being diagnosed, or

who died of other causes because they were unwilling or unable to seek medical care during the outbreak. "

-- WaPo email

[RandomGuy]

:lol North Dakota

Those fucks had 50 ICU beds left last week. They were flying people to Cheyenne, Sioux Falls, and Minneapolis because their shit system is already collapsing.

What? Hospital systems getting overwhelmed?

[tholdren]

foldren will say no hospital over capacity because they flew them to others. Just like when the shit was happening in Texas.

It wasn't happening. You are low level

[tholdren]

What? Hospital systems getting overwhelmed?

Loloookoooooklkoooooookklkkkioklllooooolll

Oh my. Mr 2 more weeks back at it. Bring in the ships Coronabro

[TimDunkem]

^What? Just two posts? Keep posting more gossip and nonsense that no one will read. Maybe the virus will just disappear.

[tholdren]

Loloookoooooklkoooooookklkkkioklllooooolll

Oh my. Mr 2 more weeks back at it. Bring in the ships Coronabro

[RandomGuy]

I think it is.

By Thanksgiving we're gonna be at 1,200 deaths a day and 65k new daily cases over a 7 day average. That might even be a generous timeline.

Splits? Be interesting to see your take, man.

[tholdren]

Cases!!!!!!

[RandomGuy]

Loloookoooooklkoooooookklkkkioklllooooolll



https://vision.cloudera.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/monkey-typewriter.gif

:lol

[RandomGuy]

it's an overblown cold. Most people will cough it out in 4 days

Idiot.

[tholdren]

Idiot.

Yep only 99 pct of people survive. Worst disease ever

[boutons_deux]

Small And Rural Cities Reaching Hospital Capacity Could Cause Another COVID-19 Surge

There are indications of a third COVID-19 surge in Texas and across the country driven by small cities and rural areas.

Smaller communities are also reaching capacity in their health care systems sooner than their big-city counterparts because they don’t have enough beds to care for patients.

In Texas, city officials in Lubbock, Amarillo and El Paso have all requested extra health care workers to help care for the rising number of COVID patients.

in McLennan County that means almost all of the ICU beds are in use.

Other smaller Texas cities that have been at or near their hospital capacity for weeks include Corpus Christi, Harlingen and McAllen.

Texas is on its way to a third COVID surge driven by community spread in smaller cities and towns. This has taken many people by surprise,

https://www.tpr.org/podcast/petrie-dish/2020-10-20/small-texas-cities-reaching-healthcare-capacity-could-cause-another-covid-19-surge

[tholdren]

Small And Rural Cities Reaching Hospital Capacity Could Cause Another COVID-19 Surge

There are indications of a third COVID-19 surge in Texas and across the country driven by small cities and rural areas.

Smaller communities are also reaching capacity in their health care systems sooner than their big-city counterparts because they don’t have enough beds to care for patients.

In Texas, city officials in Lubbock, Amarillo and El Paso have all requested extra health care workers to help care for the rising number of COVID patients.

in McLennan County that means almost all of the ICU beds are in use.

Other smaller Texas cities that have been at or near their hospital capacity for weeks include Corpus Christi, Harlingen and McAllen.

Texas is on its way to a third COVID surge driven by community spread in smaller cities and towns. This has taken many people by surprise,

https://www.tpr.org/podcast/petrie-dish/2020-10-20/small-texas-cities-reaching-healthcare-capacity-could-cause-another-covid-19-surge



Third surge.


Lololloolppllokloollookoololllllll

[pgardn]

Yep only 99 pct of people survive. Worst disease ever

Yeah

And it spreads like the air.

foldren

Whats 1% of 7.8 billion?

[boutons_deux]

Case Fatality Rate / CFR is between 3% - 4%, not 1%

[DarrinS]

Case Fatality Rate / CFR is between 3% - 4%, not 1%

Now do IFR.

[ChumpDumper]

lol Darrin's herd

[TimDunkem]

lol Darrin's herd
Out of fuel by the end of April.

[DarrinS]

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

[Winehole23]

WE'VE TURNED THE CORNER ON COVID

[Winehole23]

https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/d1/d151aba703e66116ecf90944073ed140.jpeg

[RandomGuy]

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf


Conclusion The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 can vary substantially across
different locations and this may reflect differences in population age structure and casemix of infected and deceased patients and other factors. The inferred infection fatality rates
tended to be much lower than estimates made earlier in the pandemic.

so what?

Does it explain the spike in extra all cause deaths?

[hater]

https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/d1/d151aba703e66116ecf90944073ed140.jpeg

:lol

[RandomGuy]

Now do IFR.

Now be an honest broker for once.

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/10/faucis_covid19_folly.html

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

[SnakeBoy]

1318416118294470657

[Winehole23]

1318416118294470657The Trump administration has already been censoring public health authorities, what's the problem if private companies choose to police their own platforms against the incursion of disnformation?

[SnakeBoy]

The Trump administration has already been censoring public health authorities, what's the problem if private companies choose to police their own platforms against the incursion of disnformation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBuP40H4Tko&feature=emb_logo

[Winehole23]

Snake Boy straight trollin, carry on.

[SnakeBoy]

Snake Boy straight trollin, carry on.

Doing my part to help the conversation

[baseline bum]

Out of fuel by the end of April.

We were already at herd mentality by September amirite?

[spurraider21]

We were already at herd mentality by September amirite?
calm down, it was worse in new york in april

[Reck]

The CDC is going to hold an on camera press briefing in a bit.

[SnakeBoy]

The CDC is going to hold an on camera press briefing in a bit.

Hopefully to tell people to take 5000IU Vitamin D this fall/winter

[hater]

The CDC is going to hold an on camera press briefing in a bit.

Why? Its just a flu

[hater]

Or maybe not.

Oxford vaccine volunteer 28 year old dies

Of covid

[DarrinS]

Or maybe not.

Oxford vaccine volunteer 28 year old dies

Of covid

He took placebo

[hater]

He took placebo

Hope so
Link?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1319001976609308672?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/1319001976609308672?s=19
What makes it clean, Qhris?

Qhris folds.

lol Qhris.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/SenateGOP/status/1318979060555567110?s=19

[DarrinS]

Hope so
Link?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/coronavirus-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-trial-death/2020/10/21/3f5bedac-13c0-11eb-ad6f-36c93e6e94fb_story.html

[DarrinS]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02946-6

[ElNono]

https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/d1/d151aba703e66116ecf90944073ed140.jpeg

:lol

[ElNono]

Just heard some BREAKING news, not sure if you guys heard, but apparently Cuomo sent infected to nursing homes.

[Winehole23]

Just heard some BREAKING news, not sure if you guys heard, but apparently Cuomo sent infected to nursing homes.Climbed Mt.Covid did he?

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/06/29/PROC/3f67325c-32ee-40df-a0e4-80e06a511bcb-CuomoMountain.png

[tholdren]

Just heard some BREAKING news, not sure if you guys heard, but apparently Cuomo sent infected to nursing homes.

Then wrote a book about it

[Winehole23]

A drop in the death rate whas been observed.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/20/925441975/studies-point-to-big-drop-in-covid-19-death-rates

[ElNono]

Then wrote a book about it

who wrote a book about it?

btw, where's your math?

[hater]

Just heard some BREAKING news, not sure if you guys heard, but apparently Cuomo sent infected to nursing homes.

Hes also releasing a second book "How I killed your mother"

[boutons_deux]

remdesivir approved, $3000+

[baseline bum]

A drop in the death rate whas been observed.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/10/20/925441975/studies-point-to-big-drop-in-covid-19-death-rates

Uh oh, foldren is going to throw a fit at these two paragraphs:


But Horwitz and Mateen say that factors outside of doctors' control are also playing a role in driving down mortality. Horwitz believes that mask-wearing may be helping by reducing the initial dose of virus a person receives, thereby lessening the overall severity of illness for many patients.

And Mateen says that his data strongly suggest that keeping hospitals below their maximum capacity also helps to increase survival rates. When cases surge and hospitals fill up, "staff are stretched, mistakes are made, it's no one's fault — it's that the system isn't built to operate near 100%," he says.

[djohn2oo8]

1319669921350098945

[TimDunkem]

^*fart noises*

Basically the US's response to COVID as a whole up to this point.

[TimDunkem]

Bars reopening in SA. Lol Wolff has no balls.

[boutons_deux]

The Price for Not Wearing Masks:

Perhaps 130,000 Lives

The pandemic death toll could be lowered by next spring if more Americans wear masks, a new analysis finds.

a rough estimate of the pandemic’s toll in the United States: perhaps 500,000 deaths by March 2021, even with social distancing mandates reinstated in most states.

the numbers seem reasonable as a rough estimate of the toll by March 2021 if current trends continue.

If many states continue to roll back the mandates in place, the team found,

the number of deaths by Feb. 28 could top one million,

with one-third occurring in California, Florida and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/23/health/coronavirus-deaths-united-states.html

[pgardn]

https://apple.news/AyckBJqL8SRSuD85GqXAz3g

“We have the biggest bestest plan for Covid and healthcare so don’t worry”

[tholdren]

https://apple.news/AyckBJqL8SRSuD85GqXAz3g

“We have the biggest bestest plan for Covid and healthcare so don’t worry”

2 more weeks..... for 9 months. You are so low and terrible with numbers

[boutons_deux]

Ron DeSantis has a solution to bad COVID-19 numbers in Florida:

He's going to hide the numbers

On Thursday, Florida reported over 5,500 new cases of COVID-19—and the day isn’t over yet.

The number is higher than anything the state has posted since the first half of August,

but it reflects a fresh surge that’s keeping the state at an average of around 100 deaths per day and

steadily moving it up the Worst States charts.

In the next two days, Florida will likely pass New Jersey to take over the No. 4 slot in total deaths.

It’s already reached the No. 3 spot in total cases.

And it’s by far the largest state when it comes to the top 10 in cases per population.

Ron DeSantis has already been trying to follow Trump’s advice to do less testing.

Florida is currently testing at the lowest rate (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/tracker/overview) of any state,

with just one test per 1,000 residents. :lol

DeSantis says it’s time to “scale back the report frequency.”

He’s promising that

the data will still be collected. It just won’t be visible.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1988690

[boutons_deux]

Americans Should Brace for 100,000 New COVID Cases a Day, Experts Say

With more than 83,000 infections reported in a single day on Friday, experts say the country is hurtling toward an excess of 100,000 or more new infections a day.

The country hit 83,757 reported infections in one day (https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-had-85000-new-covid-19-cases-on-friday-most-since-pandemic-started?ref=home) on Friday,

while hospitalizations skyrocketed across the nation by 40 percent.

“It’s going to get a lot worse,”

“We’re looking at easily an excess of 100,000 infections a day and overwhelmed hospitals all over the country.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/americans-should-brace-for-100000-new-covid-cases-a-day-experts-say

[tholdren]

Americans Should Brace for 100,000 New COVID Cases a Day, Experts Say

With more than 83,000 infections reported in a single day on Friday, experts say the country is hurtling toward an excess of 100,000 or more new infections a day.

The country hit 83,757 reported infections in one day (https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-had-85000-new-covid-19-cases-on-friday-most-since-pandemic-started?ref=home) on Friday,

while hospitalizations skyrocketed across the nation by 40 percent.

“It’s going to get a lot worse,”

“We’re looking at easily an excess of 100,000 infections a day and overwhelmed hospitals all over the country.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/americans-should-brace-for-100000-new-covid-cases-a-day-experts-say

Lolololool

And 99999 are college kids and NFL players. BwahahahahahahhahahahahahHHHHhahHHHH


Back to the hospital fear again huh?


Low iq people

[tholdren]

Lolololool

And 99999 are college kids and NFL players. BwahahahahahahhahahahahahHHHHhahHHHH


Back to the hospital fear again huh?


Low iq people

[tholdren]

Lolololool

And 99999 are college kids and NFL players. BwahahahahahahhahahahahahHHHHhahHHHH


Back to the hospital fear again huh?


Low iq people

Dodididiisiiwjjsususj

[pgardn]

DOWN PLAYING THIS?

wtf do you read besides twitter and RT news?

If anything they are overplaying it because it has infected and killed health care workers who have supposedly taken precautions. Also the infection rate looks very high but mortality, not so much. We will see. It’s not like these sorts of viruses are just going to disappear. As crowded as some cities are along with the close association with animals, it is almost waiting to happen.

Down playing it.... Jesus...

From Jan 23 when hater said the msm was not cognizant of the virus.

[pgardn]

Trump won’t be able to BS his way out of a disastrous response to a bad Coronavirus outbreak in the US. That’s the one thing that will truly fuck him.

Feb

by picnroll...

[pgardn]

Trash complains he is not getting credit for doing ‘a great job’ handling Coronavirus epidemic


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/trump-complains-he-is-not-getting-credit-for-doing-a-great-job-handling-coronavirus-epidemic/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=3813

Feb

Boots...

[pgardn]

This is what presidential leadership looks like now

1232652371832004608

Winehole

also Feb

But Trump was actually talking about the Caron virus.
It all makes sense now, the man is a genius.

[tholdren]

Winehole

also Feb

But Trump was actually talking about the Caron virus.
It all makes sense now, the man is a genius.

Data Dump Inflates Infection Rate in Florida — for One DayA Miami Gardens laboratory had trouble uploading its test results for seven weeks. Then all 14,181 tests were reported at once, artificially inflating the state's and Miami-Dade's positivity rates

[pgardn]

Data Dump Inflates Infection Rate in Florida — for One DayA Miami Gardens laboratory had trouble uploading its test results for seven weeks. Then all 14,181 tests were reported at once, artificially inflating the state's and Miami-Dade's positivity rates

Bunker bitch arrived late, was in hiding in Jan thru....
Bunker bitch pops his head out here and there with no math and no science following him into daylight.

[TimDunkem]

Tholdren in March: "5k tops"

foldren bwahahaha :lmao

[Ef-man]

Tholdren in March: "5k tops"

foldren bwahahaha :lmao

Foldren’s math is like little joey’s calf tats: when you see his numbers, they it reveal what a retard he is.

:lmao

[tholdren]

Bunker bitch arrived late, was in hiding in Jan thru....
Bunker bitch pops his head out here and there with no math and no science following him into daylight.

Thats not true. Story was the same since January. Ifr .01

I won

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122948188_205313531131655_290829942395518792_n.png ?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=9HmQnSVdPvwAX-LdkfQ&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=23be20379700d1c25b5b134a371b4c94&oe=5FBBE4F4

[tholdren]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122948188_205313531131655_290829942395518792_n.png ?_nc_cat=1&ccb=2&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=9HmQnSVdPvwAX-LdkfQ&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=23be20379700d1c25b5b134a371b4c94&oe=5FBBE4F4


You believe in day 225 of 15 days to flatten the curve.

Not math

[Winehole23]

Imperial College seroprevalence study suggests more people getting sick is not going to be the solution.


Levels of protective antibodies in people wane “quite rapidly” after coronavirus infection, say researchers…


“Immunity is waning quite rapidly, we’re only three months after our first [round of tests] and we’re already showing a 26% decline in antibodies,” said Prof Helen Ward, one of the researchers.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54696873

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/medicine/research-and-impact/groups/react-study/real-time-assessment-of-community-transmission-findings/

[Winehole23]

cum grano salis


we excluded large countries that could have greater regional variability in NPI policies: Brazil, Canada, China, India, Russia, and the USA.1320755362685808641

[baseline bum]

Wow who would have ever figured jamming a bunch of people tightly into rooms indoors 8 hours a day during the pandemic would lead to record setting numbers of infections?

[Winehole23]

Wow who would have ever figured jamming a bunch of people tightly into rooms indoors 8 hours a day during the pandemic would lead to record setting numbers of infections?OTOH, Germany is locking down bars, gyms and restaurants but is leaving schools open. It would be cool if our government learned something from countries that are handling COVID-19 better.

1321435242213892097

[Winehole23]

Putin is a maskhole one week after declaring COVID-19 "under control"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-mask-mandate-putin-covid-cases-spike/

[Winehole23]

two more years of COVIDening?


The [EU], with a population of 450 million, has booked more than 1 billion doses of potential COVID-19 vaccines from three drugmakers. It is negotiating the advance purchase of another billion vials with other companies.

“There will not be sufficient doses of COVID-19 vaccines for the entire population before the end of 2021,” a European Commission official told diplomats from EU states in a closed-door meeting on Monday, a person who attended it told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-eu-vaccines-idUSKBN27C2DQ

[Winehole23]

This "long COVID' study is a pre-print, other studies have observed the correlation between COVID-19 and organ damage.

Abstract


Background: Severe acute respiratory syndrome-coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection has disproportionately affected older individuals and those with underlying medical conditions. Research has focused on short-term outcomes in hospital, and single organ involvement. Consequently, impact of long COVID (persistent symptoms three months post-infection) across multiple organs in low-risk individuals is yet to be assessed.



Methods: An ongoing prospective, longitudinal, two-centre, observational study was performed in individuals symptomatic after recovery from acute SARS-CoV-2 infection. Symptoms and organ function (heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, pancreas, spleen) were assessed by standardised questionnaires (EQ-5D-5L, Dyspnoea-12), blood investigations and quantitative magnetic resonance imaging, defining single and multi-organ impairment by consensus definitions.



Findings: Between April and September 2020, 201 individuals (mean age 44 (SD 11.0) years, 70% female, 87% white, 31% healthcare workers) completed assessments following SARS-CoV-2 infection (median 140, IQR 105-160 days after initial symptoms). The prevalence of pre-existing conditions (obesity: 20%, hypertension: 6%; diabetes: 2%; heart disease: 4%) was low, and only 18% of individuals had been hospitalised with COVID-19. Fatigue (98%), muscle aches (88%), breathlessness (87%), and headaches (83%) were the most frequently reported symptoms. Ongoing cardiorespiratory (92%) and gastrointestinal (73%) symptoms were common, and 42% of individuals had ten or more symptoms.


There was evidence of mild organ impairment in heart (32%), lungs (33%), kidneys (12%), liver (10%), pancreas (17%), and spleen (6%). Single (66%) and multi-organ (25%) impairment was observed, and was significantly associated with risk of prior COVID-19 hospitalisation (p<0.05).

Interpretation: In a young, low-risk population with ongoing symptoms, almost 70% of individuals have impairment in one or more organs four months after initial symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection. There are implications not only for burden of long COVID but also public health approaches which have assumed low risk in young people with no comorbidities.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.14.20212555v1.full

[hater]

Schools are just fully opening here in US as we hitting daily records. Something just doesnt add up.

I suspect we will be Germany/France in about 5 weeks and will have to shut down again.

I know ppl say we are not shutting down again. But if our ERs are 99% capacity we dont have a choice.

Calling it now

[TimDunkem]

Schools are just fully opening here in US as we hitting daily records. Something just doesnt add up.

I suspect we will be Germany/France in about 5 weeks and will have to shut down again.

I know ppl say we are not shutting down again. But if our ERs are 99% capacity we dont have a choice.

Calling it now

5 weeks is too generous. We're at the doorstep of uncontrolled, nationwide exponential spread. And it's only the 4th week of October. :lol

[Winehole23]

The American Prospect is decidedly liberal, but this article is information-rich re:reopening schools


In late July, when a study came out (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2768952?s=09) that suggested children with COVID-19 have a higher viral load than adults, Oster quickly wrote a piece (https://slate.com/technology/2020/08/new-study-narrow-results-coronavirus-schools.html) saying it would be a “very big leap” to apply these findings to school reopening discussions. Instead, she urged focus on a large South Korea contact tracing study (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1315_article), which suggested younger children transmitted the virus in their households at a lower rate than other groups. A month later, the leaders for that South Korea study said it wasn’t really clear (https://adc.bmj.com/content/archdischild/early/2020/08/06/archdischild-2020-319910.full.pdf) who infected whom in the households, and called for further research. Even today, how effectively children transmit the virus to others remains one of the fuzziest, and most pressing, questions.


Parents and writers (many of whom are parents) have embraced Oster’s thinking, along with some oft-quoted public-health experts like Ashish Jha, also of Brown, and Jennifer Nuzzo of Johns Hopkins, who say we can move forward more quickly with reopenings, especially at the elementary school level. But a growing number of epidemiologists—generally ignored by the media—have been urging caution, stressing that our understanding of child transmission remains far more limited than some of the louder voices in the conversation have suggested.
https://prospect.org/coronavirus/why-reopening-schools-has-become-the-most-fraught-debate-of-the-pandemic/

[Winehole23]

there are large gaps in US information about COVID-19 in schools


Here are some additional facts about the COVID-19 School Response Dashboard (https://statsiq.co1.qualtrics.com/public-dashboard/v0/dashboard/5f62eaee4451ae001535c839#/dashboard/5f62eaee4451ae001535c839?pageId=Page_1ac6a6bc-92b6-423e-9f7a-259a18648318) dataset, as it existed on October 25. There were 1,322 schools voluntarily reporting data, or about 1 percent of all K-12 schools in the country. It did not say how many school districts were reporting, though Oster told me last week they currently have “about 150.” There are 13,500 school districts across the United States.


A more detailed look brought its glaring gaps into sharper relief. There was not a single urban traditional public school reporting data across 27 states in her dataset (https://statsiq.co1.qualtrics.com/public-dashboard/v0/dashboard/5f62eaee4451ae001535c839#/dashboard/5f62eaee4451ae001535c839?pageId=Page_fc2ce2eb-084b-4c7d-9463-55c48d1d928b), including from Florida, Texas, New York, Minnesota, Arkansas, and Mississippi. Some states, like Colorado, Kansas, Ohio, and Alabama, had just one urban traditional public school reporting data.

[tholdren]

Schools are just fully opening here in US as we hitting daily records. Something just doesnt add up.

I suspect we will be Germany/France in about 5 weeks and will have to shut down again.

I know ppl say we are not shutting down again. But if our ERs are 99% capacity we dont have a choice.

Calling it now

Lololoooooooop 2 more weeks!!!!

[tholdren]

5 weeks is too generous. We're at the doorstep of uncontrolled, nationwide exponential spread. And it's only the 4th week of October. :lol

Exponential spread. Bwahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahah ahahaha


What a awful math take

[TimDunkem]

:lol didn't read but go talk COVID in the Omaha thread again. Bwahaha old man doesn't even know where he is.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol didn't read but go talk COVID in the Omaha thread again. Bwahaha old man doesn't even know where he is.He's recovering from last night's frostbite and exposure.

[TimDunkem]

He's recovering from last night's frostbite and exposure.

:lol

[ElNono]

Space Force's No. 2 officer tests positive for Covid-19
Gen. David Thompson, the vice chief of space operations, took a test after a close family member also tested positive, according to a news release.

The Space Force's No. 2 officer has tested positive for coronavirus, the service announced Wednesday night.

Gen. David Thompson, the vice chief of space operations, took a test after a close family member also tested positive, according to a news release. He is self-quarantining and working from home.

Despite one of the service’s top officers being sidelined with the virus, the Space Force “remains operationally ready to answer the nation’s call,” the release said.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/space-force-no-2-coronavirus-433538

[pgardn]

one of the service’Despites top officers being sidelined with the virus, the Space Force “remains operationally ready to answer the nation’s call,” the release said.



Damn this is reassuring.
I was hoping we could use a laser satellite to taser the virus into submission now that lysol is not a viable solution.

Maybe we could get Godzirra from Japan for added insurance.

[tholdren]

Abg age of death.. . 82

[TimDunkem]

Abg :lmao

The one time I read a post and he fucks up "avg"

Bwahaha f:lolldren

[tholdren]

Abg :lmao

The one time I read a post and he fucks up "avg"

Bwahaha f:lolldren

Bwahhaahahhahhahahagahahahah


TimDunkem said it was dangerous for all. He said it was 10.times more dangerous than the flu.

Beahahhahahahshshshhshs

Lower ifr. So now he's grammar popo

[ElNono]

Abg :lmao

The one time I read a post and he fucks up "avg"

Bwahaha f:lolldren

:lmao but, but science! :lmao

[TimDunkem]

This message is hidden because f:lolldren is on your ignore list.

[TimDunkem]

:lmao but, but science! :lmao

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[DarrinS]

Abg :lmao

The one time I read a post and he fucks up "avg"

Bwahaha f:lolldren


V right next the B. Got him.