Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[tholdren]

:lol tholdren says it's the flu right off the bat and cries out for his lies to be accepted.

Lol I stated 2x flu, which cdc agreed with after I had long predicted. I said preexisting and elderly is the prime demo for protection from before lockdown. Cdc confirmed.

I said lockdowns were unscientific and excess deaths are not covid undercou to, which is beong proven true with cdc all cause fatalities and covid rates.

Try again

[ChumpDumper]

Lol I stated 2x flu, which cdc agreed with after I had long predicted. I said preexisting and elderly is the prime demo for protection from before lockdown. Cdc confirmed.

I said lockdowns were unscientific and excess deaths are not covid undercou to, which is beong proven true with cdc all cause fatalities and covid rates.

Try againYou said it was the flu.

Try again.

[tholdren]

Lol I stated 2x flu, which cdc agreed with after I had long predicted. I said preexisting and elderly is the prime demo for protection from before lockdown. Cdc confirmed.

I said lockdowns were unscientific and excess deaths are not covid undercou to, which is beong proven true with cdc all cause fatalities and covid rates.

Try again

Always right

[tholdren]

Welp, that seals it. tholdren thinks coronviruses/covid-19 = influenza
You thought there were 2 hospital beds in texas. LolololI

[ChumpDumper]

Always rightYou said it was the flu.

Always wrong.

[Will Hunting]

trending down for weeks and this is the best you got. Lol... three alts?
It’s not trending down in the states you think are handling it best by ignoring it (ie Texas Florida and Arizona). It’s trending down in the states that are taking it seriously.

[tholdren]

It’s not trending down in the states you think are handling it best by ignoring it (ie Texas Florida and Arizona). It’s trending down in the states that are taking it seriously.

No. Calling an ab pos test or a suspected past infection a current case is fraud. Not my problem if you are too ignorant to understand why that is problematic

[Will Hunting]

No. Calling an ab pos test or a suspected past infection a current case is fraud. Not my problem if you are too ignorant to understand why that is problematic
So you think De Santis and Abott are fucking with the numbers to make it look like there’s a COVID outbreak in their states? That doesn’t make any sense.

[tholdren]

So you think De Santis and Abott are fucking with the numbers to make it look like there’s a COVID outbreak in their states? That doesn’t make any sense.
They don't have any control of that. Its cdc count guidelines. Complete stupidity from the beginning. ChumpDumper asked why the counts were so low in finland. They make sure you have the virus with a test and it contributes to death....

Like I have explained it is now a req to get tested for elective surgery. Its going to increase posotives, new daily cases, hospitalizations. And this can happen as a probable.

Example. I had covid in January. Go in for elective surgery for butt implants. Test ab positive. I'm a new case, and a new hospitalization..
Should they test. Yes. Should they keep track yes. Should they count as new case no. Should they count as covid hospitalization no. Will they mislead people through headlines? Here we are.

[TSA]

It’s not trending down in the states you think are handling it best by ignoring it (ie Texas Florida and Arizona). It’s trending down in the states that are taking it seriously.

Plenty of stats on the states you listed here.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-new-panic-lie-increased-coronavirus-hospitalizations-and-cases-in-the-southwest?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200612Trending-HowowitzPanicLie&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News

Hospitalizations are up because people who put off doctor visits during initial panic. They aren’t going to the hospital because of coronavirus symptoms and are being tested when admitted showing they had/have but are asymptomatic.

[TSA]

They don't have any control of that. Its cdc count guidelines. Complete stupidity from the beginning. ChumpDumper asked why the counts were so low in finland. They make sure you have the virus with a test and it contributes to death....

Like I have explained it is now a req to get tested for elective surgery. Its going to increase posotives, new daily cases, hospitalizations. And this can happen as a probable.

Example. I had covid in January. Go in for elective surgery for butt implants. Test ab positive. I'm a new case, and a new hospitalization..
Should they test. Yes. Should they keep track yes. Should they count as new case no. Should they count as covid hospitalization no. Will they mislead people through headlines? Here we are.

Pretty much.

[Will Hunting]

Plenty of stats on the states you listed here.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-new-panic-lie-increased-coronavirus-hospitalizations-and-cases-in-the-southwest?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200612Trending-HowowitzPanicLie&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News

Hospitalizations are up because people who put off doctor visits during initial panic. They aren’t going to the hospital because of coronavirus symptoms and are being tested when admitted showing they had/have but are asymptomatic.
I’m not talking about hospitalizations, I’m talking about total daily new cases, which are all up in the states I mentioned.

[TSA]

I’m not talking about hospitalizations, I’m talking about total daily new cases, which are all up in the states I mentioned.

Total new daily cases are up because of people returning to doctors/hospitals for non-Covid needs and being tested. Laid out clearly in article I linked. I don’t think I’ve ever posted anything from the Blaze so before you lol the Blaze it’s worth a read as it’s got some decent graphs.

[Will Hunting]

Total new daily cases are up because of people returning to doctors/hospitals for non-Covid needs and being tested. Laid out clearly in article I linked. I don’t think I’ve ever posted anything from the Blaze so before you lol the Blaze it’s worth a read as it’s got some decent graphs.
If that were the case you’d see an increase in COVID cases across the country. You don’t. New cases are way down in NY/NJ while they’re up in TX//FL. The theory in that bullshit article does nothing to explain why the spikes are only occurring in specific states.

:lmao preemptively calling out the fact you’re citing the Blaze because you’re worried an lol the Blaze is coming

[Will Hunting]

I don’t think I’ve ever posted anything from the Blaze so before you lol the Blaze it’s worth a read as it’s got some decent graphs.
You’ve literally started a thread with the same “It’s from the Blaze but still” argument.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213984&p=6551447&highlight=The+blaze#post6551447

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209476&p=6357986&highlight=The+Blaze#post6357986

Multiple new threads about stuff you found on the Blaze. You’ve clearly posted stuff from the Blaze before. You’re a lying disingenuous piece of shit as usual.

[baseline bum]

You’ve literally started a thread with the same “It’s from the Blaze but still” argument.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213984&p=6551447&highlight=The+blaze#post6551447

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209476&p=6357986&highlight=The+Blaze#post6357986

Multiple new threads about stuff you found on the Blaze. You’ve clearly posted stuff from the Blaze before. You’re a lying disingenuous piece of shit as usual.

What's not to trust about Glen Beck's website? :lol

[Will Hunting]

What's not to trust about Glen Beck's website? :lol
This is classic TSA. He’ll post something from the Blaze or Breitbart and say “I know I’m posting from an insanely partisan news source but it’s not like I ever have before...I’m only posting this article because it’s especially brilliant it’s not like I’m just some partisan hack parroting the Blaze” when that’s exactly what he is.

[DarrinS]

Plenty of stats on the states you listed here.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-new-panic-lie-increased-coronavirus-hospitalizations-and-cases-in-the-southwest?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200612Trending-HowowitzPanicLie&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News

Hospitalizations are up because people who put off doctor visits during initial panic. They aren’t going to the hospital because of coronavirus symptoms and are being tested when admitted showing they had/have but are asymptomatic.


That's interesting. I hadn't considered people going in for other medical reasons testing positive. :tu

Deaths are a lagging indicator, so if there truly are spikes, then that should be reflected in deaths some couple of weeks from now. Unless, they count dying with covid the same as dying from covid.

[DarrinS]

This is classic TSA. He’ll post something from the Blaze or Breitbart and say “I know I’m posting from an insanely partisan news source but it’s not like I ever have before...I’m only posting this article because it’s especially brilliant it’s not like I’m just some partisan hack parroting the Blaze” when that’s exactly what he is.

Do you have any opinion on the data that was presented? You seem focused on source.

[DarrinS]

What's not to trust about Glen Beck's website? :lol

You too.

[Will Hunting]

Do you have any opinion on the data that was presented? You seem focused on source.
I’ve already address why the data “presented” doesn’t explain why COVID cases have plummeted in some areas while rising in other areas.

[baseline bum]

That's interesting. I hadn't considered people going in for other medical reasons testing positive. :tu

Deaths are a lagging indicator, so if there truly are spikes, then that should be reflected in deaths some couple of weeks from now. Unless, they count dying with covid the same as dying from covid.

Or they count dying from COVID as dying from pneumonia.

[ChumpDumper]

This is classic TSA. He’ll post something from the Blaze or Breitbart and say “I know I’m posting from an insanely partisan news source but it’s not like I ever have before...I’m only posting this article because it’s especially brilliant it’s not like I’m just some partisan hack parroting the Blaze” when that’s exactly what he is.I don't believe the mother of all conspiracies but I will post about it and defend it and say it's true for years and still bring it up whenever grocers or high school coaches say so.

[baseline bum]

This is classic TSA. He’ll post something from the Blaze or Breitbart and say “I know I’m posting from an insanely partisan news source but it’s not like I ever have before...I’m only posting this article because it’s especially brilliant it’s not like I’m just some partisan hack parroting the Blaze” when that’s exactly what he is.

:lol

[Will Hunting]

I don't believe the mother of all conspiracies but I will post about it and defend it and say it's true for years and still bring it up whenever grocers or high school coaches say so.
Then I’ll say I was trolling the whole time!

[ElNono]

This is classic TSA. He’ll post something from the Blaze or Breitbart and say “I know I’m posting from an insanely partisan news source but it’s not like I ever have before...I’m only posting this article because it’s especially brilliant it’s not like I’m just some partisan hack parroting the Blaze” when that’s exactly what he is.

:lol

yeah, the next obvious step is becoming Chris, which is a line I hope nobody ever steps through, tbh

[ElNono]

Then I’ll say I was trolling the whole time!

got emmmmmmmmmmm

[Will Hunting]

As for the whole premise of people “going in for other reasons and testing positive” why would that be more prevalent now than 3 months ago? Does Glenn Beck think that if someone broke his leg in March that he’s been walking around for the last 3 months like Omar in Season 5 of the The Wire and is just now getting medical attention for it? That article’s entire hypothesis is based off the flimsy premise there’s this amorphous buildup of people who haven’t gotten any medical attention the last 3 months and are just now doing so.

[DarrinS]

weebo could address whether the incoming patients are coming in for covid or coming in for something else and testing positive for covid.

I still know of no person who has this.

[DarrinS]

As for the whole premise of people “going in for other reasons and testing positive” why would that be more prevalent now than 3 months ago? Does Glenn Beck think that if someone broke his leg in March that he’s been walking around for the last 3 months like Omar in Season 5 of the The Wire and is just now getting medical attention for it? That article’s entire hypothesis is based off the flimsy premise there’s this amorphous buildup of people who haven’t gotten any medical attention the last 3 months and are just now doing so.


I don't think many people would call a broken limb an elective procedure.

[Will Hunting]

I don't think many people would call a broken limb an elective procedure.
So how many people are going in for elective procedures right now? Also, how do we know everyone going in for elective surgery is getting tested? It’s pretty obvious to me this is a speculative theory that’s been manufactured to fit data that’s been cherry picked.

[SnakeBoy]

I’ve already address why the data “presented” doesn’t explain why COVID cases have plummeted in some areas while rising in other areas.

Osterholm has been talking about this. The explanation is that they don't know why this happens, it's just the way viruses spread.

Interestingly, he said in an interview this morning that a complete drop in cases would worry him more as that would indicate we would likely see a huge 2nd wave. I guess his thinking is that it's is better to have steady infection rates with occasional upticks as we march towards herd immunity rather than huge seasonal waves.

[DarrinS]

So how many people are going in for elective procedures right now? Also, how do we know everyone going in for elective surgery is getting tested? It’s pretty obvious to me this is a speculative theory that’s been manufactured to fit data that’s been cherry picked.

I don't know. That's why I asked weebo to weigh in.

[Will Hunting]

Osterholm has been talking about this. The explanation is that they don't know why this happens, it's just the way viruses spread.

Interestingly, he said in an interview this morning that a complete drop in cases would worry him more as that would indicate we would likely see a huge 2nd wave. I guess his thinking is that it's is better to have steady infection rates with occasional upticks as we march towards herd immunity rather than huge seasonal waves.
If we were certain that this worked like smallpox and you could develop herd immunity I’d be all for it - I’m worried that it’s more like the flu where once you get it you’ll have elevated antibodies for a few months but then you can get it again. It’s not clear if herd immunity is even feasible.

[Will Hunting]

I don't know.
Well we agree on that one.

[ElNono]

Osterholm has been talking about this. The explanation is that they don't know why this happens, it's just the way viruses spread.

Interestingly, he said in an interview this morning that a complete drop in cases would worry him more as that would indicate we would likely see a huge 2nd wave. I guess his thinking is that it's is better to have steady infection rates with occasional upticks as we march towards herd immunity rather than huge seasonal waves.

And this makes sense. As we open up and people become a bit less careful, we'll see infections upticks here and there, which hopefully we can control, now that we have tests more readily available.

There's really no need for mental gymnastics (not talking about you) about elective surgeries or the like to come to that conclusion.

[Chris]

:lol

yeah, the next obvious step is becoming Chris, which is a line I hope nobody ever steps through, tbh

^the rent free thingy

[Will Hunting]

And this makes sense. As we open up and people become a bit less careful, we'll see infections upticks here and there, which hopefully we can control, now that we have tests more readily available.

There's really no need for mental gymnastics (not talking about you) about elective surgeries or the like to come to that conclusion.
Exactly, this country needs to get its economy up and running again no matter what so we should be reopening, but state and local governments need to be monitoring things closely and acting quickly to control upticks before they turn into outbreaks. We’re going to have 2nd waive if the response to an uptick is “No worries, that’s just a bunch of women who’ve been waiting to go in and get a face lift or fake tits testing positive, nothing to see here!”

[ElNono]

^the rent free thingy

Nothing personal, tbh, you're just the poster child for that description.

[vy65]

The interesting thing about the blaze article is not the point it makes, but something it mentioned in passing about viral loads and mutations.

Couple of weeks ago, a prominent Italian doctor said the virus had mutated into a far less deadly form. That corresponds with what we know about how viruses work. Same thing happened with the Spanish flu. There was pushback on this claim - the argument being that a virus doesn’t mutate like that so quickly. However, the blaze article mentioned a doctor from Pennsylvania who’s said the same thing about the virus now having mutated into something weaker.

[vy65]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-18340690.amp

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/06/upmc-doctor-says-covid-19-has-become-less-prevalent-and-less-severe.html

[DarrinS]

Well we agree on that one.


It was an honest answer. As someone who has testified as an expert witness, sometimes the right answer is "I don't know" or "I can't recall".

[Will Hunting]

The interesting thing about the blaze article is not the point it makes, but something it mentioned in passing about viral loads and mutations.

Couple of weeks ago, a prominent Italian doctor said the virus had mutated into a far less deadly form. That corresponds with what we know about how viruses work. Same thing happened with the Spanish flu. There was pushback on this claim - the argument being that a virus doesn’t mutate like that so quickly. However, the blaze article mentioned a doctor from Pennsylvania who’s said the same thing about the virus now having mutated into something weaker.
That actually makes sense, at this point most cases COVID are being spread by people who are asymptomatic. The deadly strands of the virus are obviously a lot tougher to spread.

[vy65]

It was an honest answer. As someone who has testified as an expert witness, sometimes the right answer is "I don't know" or "I can't recall".

Broh, unless you’re being asked something outside the scope of your expert opinion, saying “I don’t know” is one of the worst possible things you can say.

[DarrinS]

The interesting thing about the blaze article is not the point it makes, but something it mentioned in passing about viral loads and mutations.

Couple of weeks ago, a prominent Italian doctor said the virus had mutated into a far less deadly form. That corresponds with what we know about how viruses work. Same thing happened with the Spanish flu. There was pushback on this claim - the argument being that a virus doesn’t mutate like that so quickly. However, the blaze article mentioned a doctor from Pennsylvania who’s said the same thing about the virus now having mutated into something weaker.


Then, you would expect higher cases, but lower hospitalization (from covid). But, how do you tease out the hospitalization from covid vs. with covid?

[DarrinS]

Broh, unless you’re being asked something outside the scope of your expert opinion, saying “I don’t know” is one of the worst possible things you can say.

Exactly

[tholdren]

And this makes sense. As we open up and people become a bit less careful, we'll see infections upticks here and there, which hopefully we can control, now that we have tests more readily available.

There's really no need for mental gymnastics (not talking about you) about elective surgeries or the like to come to that conclusion.

There is no alternation in hospital census. Down down down.

Second of all its not mental gymnastics. Well it is because the cdc and states are not transparent, allowing for lazy political Karen twittering away with media click bait.

To see death count manipulation, but using context with statistics go here
https://sussex.nj.us/cn/webpage.cfm?tpid=17089&utm_source=covid19&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=coronavirus

Scroll down to 6.3.2020 click the cdrss report. Look at the covid deaths reported 6.2.2020 as NEW DEATHS in New jersey. Look at the ages. Look at the case status. 17 deaths added to a day when they happened days weeks and months before.

El nono would call this a spike
Chumpdump would call this a spike

It is not a spike.
Cases hospitalizations fatalities all reported in the same manner. In a way that is not reliable or valid. You guys are the dumbest.

[vy65]

Exactly

Then the answer is “that’s outside the scope of my opinion,” not “I don’t know.” Any trial lawyer would have a field day with an expert saying “I don’t know.”

[Will Hunting]

Broh, unless you’re being asked something outside the scope of your expert opinion, saying “I don’t know” is one of the worst possible things you can say.
:lmao I was going to say, a fact witness saying I don’t know is perfectly fine, there are seldom instances when an expert witness should be saying I don’t know :lol

[tholdren]

There is no alternation in hospital census. Down down down.

Second of all its not mental gymnastics. Well it is because the cdc and states are not transparent, allowing for lazy political Karen twittering away with media click bait.

To see death count manipulation, but using context with statistics go here
https://sussex.nj.us/cn/webpage.cfm?tpid=17089&utm_source=covid19&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=coronavirus

Scroll down to 6.3.2020 click the cdrss report. Look at the covid deaths reported 6.2.2020 as NEW DEATHS in New jersey. Look at the ages. Look at the case status. 17 deaths added to a day when they happened days weeks and months before.

El nono would call this a spike
Chumpdump would call this a spike

It is not a spike.
Cases hospitalizations fatalities all reported in the same manner. In a way that is not reliable or valid. You guys are the dumbest.

[Will Hunting]

You quoted yourself 3 posts down just so more people could see it? ignore list time.

[DarrinS]

:lmao I was going to say, a fact witness saying I don’t know is perfectly fine, there are seldom instances when an expert witness should be saying I don’t know :lol

You get asked questions (dumb ones, tbh) outside your area of expertise. I suppose you could roll your eyes, but juries don't respond well to that.

[DarrinS]

:lmao I was going to say, a fact witness saying I don’t know is perfectly fine, there are seldom instances when an expert witness should be saying I don’t know :lol

You get asked questions (dumb ones, tbh) outside your area of expertise. I suppose you could roll your eyes, but juries don't respond well to that.

[ChumpDumper]

You quoted yourself 3 posts down just so more people could see it? ignore list time.Karen gets impatient.

[Will Hunting]

Karen gets impatient.
Her posts approach ducks level incoherence.

[tholdren]

backlogged deaths from April. Oh my that spike. Lololololol you guys.

[ChumpDumper]

Her posts approach ducks level incoherence.She's F5ing the shit out of our posts.

[tholdren]

backlogging data and ChumpDumper doesn't know why that is problematic. Lol he's a math genius

[baseline bum]

Osterholm has been talking about this. The explanation is that they don't know why this happens, it's just the way viruses spread.

Interestingly, he said in an interview this morning that a complete drop in cases would worry him more as that would indicate we would likely see a huge 2nd wave. I guess his thinking is that it's is better to have steady infection rates with occasional upticks as we march towards herd immunity rather than huge seasonal waves.

Is there much reason to think the virus would spread in anything other than large waves without lockdowns? While the percentage of recovered + dead is low the growth in infected should be nearly exponential, shouldn't it? And there is little reason to believe a large percentage of the population say in San Antonio has been infected when NYC was only at 20-25% estimated infection rate a month ago after the virus had ripped through that city. Is there much reason to expect we're not all going to end up like New York or Detroit at some point this year? I'd be interested in seeing this interview you're talking about with Osterholm today. Where did you hear it?

[DarrinS]

Then the answer is “that’s outside the scope of my opinion,” not “I don’t know.” Any trial lawyer would have a field day with an expert saying “I don’t know.”

Sure. I don't disagree with this.

I remember a case years ago when an attorney was asking all these financial questions about the company I worked for at the time. How much our CEO made, our list of clients, etc. I had no answers for him. He was just trying to paint us as "hired guns". He lost.

[Will Hunting]

She's F5ing the shit out of our posts.
She should start a thread about it, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

backlogging data and ChumpDumper doesn't know why that is problematic. Lol he's a math geniusKaren changing the subject and can't admit she called COVID-19 the flu. Her lies are problematic.

[baseline bum]

Her posts approach ducks level incoherence.

Normally I hate blocking people but tholdren is just a ball of anger and if I wanted to hear Glenn Beck's conspiracy theories I'd just listen to his show.

[hater]

Is there much reason to think the virus would spread in anything other than large waves without lockdowns? While the percentage of recovered + dead is low the growth in infected should be nearly exponential, shouldn't it? And there is little reason to believe a large percentage of the population say in San Antonio has been infected when NYC was only at 20-25% estimated infection rate a month ago after the virus had ripped through that city. Is there much reason to expect we're not all going to end up like New York or Detroit at some point this year? I'd be interested in seeing this interview you're talking about with Osterholm today. Where did you hear it?

No

2nd wave would come regardless of quarantine or not.

This is because its not the gatherings but the seasons that dictate the infections. Something about the weather changing and the air changing. Im pretty confident we will see a 2nd wave.how big it is depends on what people will do to prepare foe it. IMO it will be bad cause people are basically gokng back to norm.

It will hit us like a sledge hammer

[DarrinS]

What vy65 brought up is very interesting, tho. Is it more prevalent, but weaker?

[tholdren]

No

2nd wave would come regardless of quarantine or not.

This is because its not the gatherings but the seasons that dictate the infections. Something about the weather changing and the air changing. Im pretty confident we will see a 2nd wave.how big it is depends on what people will do to prepare foe it. IMO it will be bad cause people are basically gokng back to norm.

It will hit us like a sledge hammer
No. There is no second wave. Its backlogged data. Just like i said

[ChumpDumper]

What vy65 brought up is very interesting, tho. Is it more prevalent, but weaker?That would make sense and be great news. We'll know in time, I guess.

[Will Hunting]

What vy65 brought up is very interesting, tho. Is it more prevalent, but weaker?
Doesn’t necessarily need to be more prevalent but makes sense that it’s weaker. That’s kinda the saving grace with contagious viruses - the deadly strands hard a harder time spreading after the host of the virus dies :lol

[ElNono]

You quoted yourself 3 posts down just so more people could see it? ignore list time.

I just scroll right past his posts... like boutons posts, zero redeemable value.

[DarrinS]

That would make sense and be great news. We'll know in time, I guess.

Would be nice to know the answer. In time.

[boutons_deux]

Fauci says normality at least 1 year away

True normality is dependent C19 vaccine(s)

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Health-experts-warn-of-coronavirus-risks-at-15339123.php

[ElNono]

A Small US Town is Now Printing Its Own Currency

Tenino, Washington (population: 1,884) has launched its own local currency (https://thehustle.co/covid19-local-currency-tenino-washington/), reports the Hustle: Mayor Wayne Fournier decided that Tenino would set aside $10k to give out to low-income residents hurt by the pandemic. But instead of using federal dollars, he'd print the money on thin sheets of wood designed exclusively for use in Tenino. His mint? A 130-year-old newspaper printer from a local museum...

Residents below the poverty line can apply to receive money from the $10k fund that Tenino has set aside. Fournier says they also have to prove that the pandemic has impacted them, but "we're pretty open to what that means." Once they're approved, they can pick up their stipends, printed in wooden notes worth $25 each. The city is capping the amount each resident can accrue at 12 wooden notes — or $300 — per month. According to Fournier, each note features a Latin inscription that means, basically, 'We've got this handled'...

By creating its own local currency, Tenino keeps the money in the community. As Fournier puts it, "Amazon will not be accepting wooden dollars."

"The money stays in the city. It doesn't go out to Walmart and Costco and all those places," says Joyce Worrell, who has run the antique shop Iron Works Boutiques for the past decade.

The article notes that during the 1930s hundreds (https://joe4hou.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/local-money-in-the-us-during-the-great-depression.pdf) of scrips (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrip) were issued by American municipalities, worker co-ops, and business associations -- estimated to be worth as much as $1 billion.

And it adds that at least a few small towns in Italy (https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/26/coronavirus-italian-town-prints-own-currency-to-help-locals-and-businesses) and Mexico (https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-coins/mexico-italy-towns-produce-local-notes-to-help-residents-in-crisis) are now giving the idea another try.

[TSA]

You’ve literally started a thread with the same “It’s from the Blaze but still” argument.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213984&p=6551447&highlight=The+blaze#post6551447

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=209476&p=6357986&highlight=The+Blaze#post6357986

Multiple new threads about stuff you found on the Blaze. You’ve clearly posted stuff from the Blaze before. You’re a lying disingenuous piece of shit as usual.

OMG two blaze links from 7 years ago :lol you really gotem

[tholdren]

I just scroll right past his posts... like boutons posts, zero redeemable value.

Oh no. You scroll right past me. Yet you feel the need to describe how you do so?
Lol
You and ChumpDumper don't need math do you?

Odd that you both cry a about new stats without understanding what they mean. Lol the comedy coming from your quarter of a million. Hysterical

[TSA]

As for the whole premise of people “going in for other reasons and testing positive” why would that be more prevalent now than 3 months ago? Does Glenn Beck think that if someone broke his leg in March that he’s been walking around for the last 3 months like Omar in Season 5 of the The Wire and is just now getting medical attention for it? That article’s entire hypothesis is based off the flimsy premise there’s this amorphous buildup of people who haven’t gotten any medical attention the last 3 months and are just now doing so.

I figured you to be pretty intelligent and then you come out with this broken leg shit? Doctors around the world have noted the decrease in cancer patients seen the last 3 months. Elective surgeries way down as well. Tons of people avoided going to hospitals for treatment for various diseases because they were scared to even go to a hospital.

[ElNono]

I figured you to be pretty intelligent and then you come out with this broken leg shit? Doctors around the world have noted the decrease in cancer patients seen the last 3 months. Elective surgeries way down as well. Tons of people avoided going to hospitals for treatment for various diseases because they were scared to even go to a hospital.

How does that work out with the fact that only certain regions are seeing a spike in cases though? Wouldn't "doctors around the world" also mean "spikes around the world" too?

[TSA]

That actually makes sense, at this point most cases COVID are being spread by people who are asymptomatic. The deadly strands of the virus are obviously a lot tougher to spread. ???

[TSA]

How does that work out with the fact that only certain regions are seeing a spike in cases though? Wouldn't "doctors around the world" also mean "spikes around the world" too?

You’d have to look at each place’s severity of each outbreak to gauge reluctance to go to the hospital for non-Covid.

[SnakeBoy]

If we were certain that this worked like smallpox and you could develop herd immunity I’d be all for it - I’m worried that it’s more like the flu where once you get it you’ll have elevated antibodies for a few months but then you can get it again. It’s not clear if herd immunity is even feasible.

If that's the case then there is no vaccine coming to save the day. His larger point would still stand though which is the other side of this pandemic looks the same for everyone, every where in the world. I think his quote was the other side isn't red or blue, it's all covid color.

I do enjoy reading the debate over which party the virus likes/dislikes more though.

[tholdren]

How does that work out with the fact that only certain regions are seeing a spike in cases though? Wouldn't "doctors around the world" also mean "spikes around the world" too?

It depends on counting cases. It depends on who has opened hospitals for electives. It depends on if those hospitals test. It depends on the media. Too many variables. You dont even have spike defined

[ElNono]

You’d have to look at each place’s severity of each outbreak to gauge reluctance to go to the hospital for non-Covid.

Have you? Is that on the Blaze article?

[tholdren]

Have you? Is that on the Blaze article?
You can also look at hospital census discharge and new hospitalization based on media craze

[SnakeBoy]

Is there much reason to think the virus would spread in anything other than large waves without lockdowns? While the percentage of recovered + dead is low the growth in infected should be nearly exponential, shouldn't it? And there is little reason to believe a large percentage of the population say in San Antonio has been infected when NYC was only at 20-25% estimated infection rate a month ago after the virus had ripped through that city. Is there much reason to expect we're not all going to end up like New York or Detroit at some point this year? I'd be interested in seeing this interview you're talking about with Osterholm today. Where did you hear it?

He was on Chris Wallace this morning.

Past epidemics never had an strictly exponential infection rate. They shoot up and then level off or subside completely (or almost) only to return again. No one knows why, just various theories. This is a biology problem not a math problem.

This is why I haven't been talking seriously on this topic anymore. The other side of this looks the same for Sweden and Denmark, New York and Texas. Only a vaccine can change that and it would be a miracle if we got one before 2022. Especially considering we've never been able to make a vaccine for the other 4 endemic HCoV's.

[ElNono]

He was on Chris Wallace this morning.

Past epidemics never had an strictly exponential infection rate. They shoot up and then level off or subside completely (or almost) only to return again. No one knows why, just various theories. This is a biology problem not a math problem.

This is why I haven't been talking seriously on this topic anymore. The other side of this looks the same for Sweden and Denmark, New York and Texas. Only a vaccine can change that and it would be a miracle if we got one before 2022. Especially considering we've never been able to make a vaccine for the other 4 endemic HCoV's.

Osterholm is good, and he warned us about not taking this seriously, which we didn't to begin with.

About vaccines, I was reading that the issue now is that with the virus both mutating and leveling out in most of the world, it gets difficult to find good samples of patients to test them on.

[TimDunkem]

He was on Chris Wallace this morning.

Past epidemics never had an strictly exponential infection rate. They shoot up and then level off or subside completely (or almost) only to return again. No one knows why, just various theories. This is a biology problem not a math problem.

This is why I haven't been talking seriously on this topic anymore. The other side of this looks the same for Sweden and Denmark, New York and Texas. Only a vaccine can change that and it would be a miracle if we got one before 2022. Especially considering we've never been able to make a vaccine for the other 4 endemic HCoV's.
Basically how I've felt overall lately as well, tbh. This is a shit sandwich we're all going to have to take a bite out of at one point or another. Just have to deal with it the best we can.

[SnakeBoy]

And this makes sense. As we open up and people become a bit less careful, we'll see infections upticks here and there, which hopefully we can control, now that we have tests more readily available.

There's really no need for mental gymnastics (not talking about you) about elective surgeries or the like to come to that conclusion.

That's not what he was talking about. Viruses have a life all their own, we don't know why.

That's not to say we can't affect it by our actions but it will still have a life cycle of it's own regardless of what we do. Basically we all have the same destination locked in our gps, different places may take slightly different paths but in the end we all end up in the same place.

[ElNono]

That's not what he was talking about. Viruses have a life all their own, we don't know why.

That's not to say we can't affect it by our actions but it will still have a life cycle of it's own regardless of what we do. Basically we all have the same destination locked in our gps, different places may take slightly different paths but in the end we all end up in the same place.

What you quoted wasn't about Osterholm, but rationalizing why we will see spikes in infections without looking for obscure reasons. This is in the short term.

Long term, I agree we're going to be dealing with this thing as it comes.

[SnakeBoy]

Osterholm is good, and he warned us about not taking this seriously, which we didn't to begin with.

About vaccines, I was reading that the issue now is that with the virus both mutating and leveling out in most of the world, it gets difficult to find good samples of patients to test them on.

I think you still don't get it. This is the 5th endemic human coronavirus, in other words the 5th time in human history a coronavirus has successfully mutated to us. So if you strip away trying to blame someone for that you'll see that was a brief period of time in China where maybe, maybe, this virus could have been stopped but once it was out of the bag it was just out and that's that.

Who knows maybe Hillary would have shut down all borders in December but then what. It's just prolonging the inevitable. The virus will burn through the population globally. Slow, fast, matters not. The other side is the same for everyone.

[baseline bum]

He was on Chris Wallace this morning.

Past epidemics never had an strictly exponential infection rate. They shoot up and then level off or subside completely (or almost) only to return again. No one knows why, just various theories. This is a biology problem not a math problem.


I just meant exponential early on when infection rates are low, like how Italy and NYC had near perfect exponential death counts in March before the time delay from lockdowns really kicked in for the death rates. That even an absolute best case scenario of a vaccine distributed to the most at risk of our general population by the end of the year would be unlikely to save us from massive death counts.



This is why I haven't been talking seriously on this topic anymore. The other side of this looks the same for Sweden and Denmark, New York and Texas. Only a vaccine can change that and it would be a miracle if we got one before 2022. Especially considering we've never been able to make a vaccine for the other 4 endemic HCoV's.

I had to stop watching the national news because I got sick of the bullshit hope they keep feeding viewers about vaccines and cures. I guess saying shit sucks isn't good for ratings. :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Basically how I've felt overall lately as well, tbh. This is a shit sandwich we're all going to have to take a bite out of at one point or another. Just have to deal with it the best we can.

That's basically it. We'll probably make it as bad as possible because it seems we are either so scared we shut down in a completely unsustainable way or we are just saying fuck it.

[DarrinS]

I've never had hopes for a vaccine, tbh.

Be a shame if common vitamins and simple dietary changes reduced bad outcomes. That's not being communicated.

[baseline bum]

I've never had hopes for a vaccine, tbh.

Be a shame if common vitamins and simple dietary changes reduced bad outcomes. That's not being communicated.

We're so fucking addicted to sugar in the US that I don't think the communication would matter tbh.

[DarrinS]

We're so fucking addicted to sugar in the US that I don't think the communication would matter tbh.

I got my mom to start taking vitamin D, in mass quantities. The evidence is overwhelming at this point.


Your point about sugar is spot on. Especially, if it's high fructose corn syrup. If you want to die, eat that.

[ElNono]

I think you still don't get it. This is the 5th endemic human coronavirus, in other words the 5th time in human history a coronavirus has successfully mutated to us. So if you strip away trying to blame someone for that you'll see that was a brief period of time in China where maybe, maybe, this virus could have been stopped but once it was out of the bag it was just out and that's that.

Who knows maybe Hillary would have shut down all borders in December but then what. It's just prolonging the inevitable. The virus will burn through the population globally. Slow, fast, matters not. The other side is the same for everyone.

This is ridiculous. It *is* the 5th endemic, it's not the 1st or 2nd. We had experts like him telling us what we needed to do to contain it. He never said we were going to stop it, but things we could do to make the situation manageable.

Frankly, it's baffling how you have to come up with excuses for this at this point. Nobody is blaming anybody for not having a cure, or stopping the virus in it's track, it's never been about that.

[SnakeBoy]

I've never had hopes for a vaccine, tbh.

Be a shame if common vitamins and simple dietary changes reduced bad outcomes. That's not being communicated.

I doubt that. It's all genetics imo. It's ust the way mother nature is. You get the wrong genetic card you get the axe. She's a cruel bitch who thinks mercy is overrated.

[tholdren]

I doubt that. It's all genetics imo. It's ust the way mother nature is. You get the wrong genetic card you get the axe. She's a cruel bitch who thinks mercy is overrated.

Lol no.

[baseline bum]

I got my mom to start taking vitamin D, in mass quantities. The evidence is overwhelming at this point.


Your point about sugar is spot on. Especially, if it's high fructose corn syrup. If you want to die, eat that.

I hope you're not talking about the way Thread gives his mother the Vitamin D tbh. :lol

[SnakeBoy]

This is ridiculous. It *is* the 5th endemic, it's not the 1st or 2nd.

I said it was the 5th so idk wtf your talking about


We had experts like him telling us what we needed to do to contain it.

I think it was on a Joe Rogan interview very early on where he said flat out we have never been able to stop these types of respiratory viruses. So be more specific, "experts like him"????



Frankly, it's baffling how you have to come up with excuses for this at this point. Nobody is blaming anybody for not having a cure, or stopping the virus in it's track, it's never been about that.

Just more vague nonsense that's been going on for 100's of pages.

[SnakeBoy]

Lol no.

Well take your flintstones multivitamin then. You'll be alright.

[SnakeBoy]

Hindsight expert will be a career description by the end of this pandemic

Called it

[DarrinS]

I hope you're not talking about the way Thread gives his mother the Vitamin D tbh. :lol

Ewwe. :lmao

[pgardn]

Osterholm is good, and he warned us about not taking this seriously, which we didn't to begin with.

About vaccines, I was reading that the issue now is that with the virus both mutating and leveling out in most of the world, it gets difficult to find good samples of patients to test them on.

we have kept up with this fairly well.

The virus is mutating in its genetic material RNA which allows us to follow the path of the different strains. but the key is it is NOT mutating in coding regions for the most important proteins that allow it to infect us. This is very important. A vaccine is very doable purely from a molecular standpoint. Testing and mass production are a whole other ball game.

if anyone finds an update on what I have posted above I would appreciate reading it.
AsI read the material this is how it stands at present.

[TSA]

I just meant exponential early on when infection rates are low, like how Italy and NYC had near perfect exponential death counts in March before the time delay from lockdowns really kicked in for the death rates. That even an absolute best case scenario of a vaccine distributed to the most at risk of our general population by the end of the year would be unlikely to save us from massive death counts.



I had to stop watching the national news because I got sick of the bullshit hope they keep feeding viewers about vaccines and cures. I guess saying shit sucks isn't good for ratings. :lol

There was an easy way to cut our death count in half without any vaccine.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1272341319139164161

[DarrinS]

There was an easy way to cut our death count in half without any vaccine.

What way is that?

[pgardn]

There was an easy way to cut our death count in half without any vaccine.

or to double it...

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1272390016120098817

[pgardn]

What way is that?

Change the numbers.

after all it, has to be an over count right?

[TSA]

What way is that?

keeping infected out of nursing/long term care facilities. All said and done I’m guessing over 50+% attributed there. Looking back should have been the number #1 place protected.

[pgardn]

https://mobile.twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1272390016120098817

is this for real?

[pgardn]

keeping infected out of nursing/long term care facilities. All said and done I’m guessing over 50+% attributed there. Looking back should have been the number #1 place protected.

agree here

these so-called retirement homes are absolutely awful

[TSA]

agree here

these so-called retirement homes are absolutely awful

No we don’t agree here. These “so-called retirement homes” were telling them they couldn’t handle/contain these infected patients and they were forced upon them.

[TSA]

backlogged deaths from April. Oh my that spike. Lololololol you guys.

https://mobile.twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1272330058481401857

same shit across the country

[TSA]

California coronavirus surge tied to increase in testing, not reopening businesses, official says

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-13/california-coronavirus-surge-tied-to-testing-not-reopening-businesses-officials-say?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

[baseline bum]

keeping infected out of nursing/long term care facilities. All said and done I’m guessing over 50+% attributed there. Looking back should have been the number #1 place protected.

Pretty disgusting story about how lax the one nursing home responsible at one time for half the COVID deaths in San Antonio was with its caregivers. If I remember right I think KSAT12 published a story about how one of the caregivers had a girlfriend sick and showing COVID symptoms and they never asked the worker to isolate. Most of the home ended up COVID positive and something like 1/5 of the residents died.

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1272330058481401857

same shit across the countryOK, that explains Saturday in Alabama. Now account for the rest of the time.

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1272330058481401857

same shit across the country

https://mobile.twitter.com/jpr41411/status/1272234267293163520

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1272230170997506048

[ElNono]

I said it was the 5th so idk wtf your talking about

I thought you meant in the sense that we are not that familiar with these occurrences.


I think it was on a Joe Rogan interview very early on where he said flat out we have never been able to stop these types of respiratory viruses. So be more specific, "experts like him"????

Just more vague nonsense that's been going on for 100's of pages.

Nice swerve, but not going to let you off the hook. Again, because you completely ignored it, nobody said stopping the virus, everybody said containing.

Do you want to watch that Joe Rogan interview again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

11:30 talks directly about social distancing working which the the kind of stuff we needed to do to contain this thing.

Same interview he says they've a report out at the end of January predicting this stuff.

[ElNono]

keeping infected out of nursing/long term care facilities. All said and done I’m guessing over 50+% attributed there. Looking back should have been the number #1 place protected.

The numbers I saw were close to 20% attributed there... was on an AP article when we were discussing this, but don't have the link handy.

[TSA]

The numbers I saw were close to 20% attributed there... was on an AP article when we were discussing this, but don't have the link handy.see an optometrist

https://freopp.org/the-covid-19-nursing-home-crisis-by-the-numbers-3a47433c3f70

[ElNono]

see an optometrist

https://freopp.org/the-covid-19-nursing-home-crisis-by-the-numbers-3a47433c3f70

thanks... the underlying data from that study (linked on the article or here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17JmyFzOd3ZEYCGpP0mK5lS_P10yPgCuYF8PYALKuTs8/edit#gid=0)...

Says the number of deaths on Long Term Care Facilities/Assisted Living in New York is 13.8%...

That's actually lower than what I recall it being when we looked at that AP story, which was closer to 20% IIRC

[ElNono]

Interesting also, because it does show that in areas that have gotten out of control, nursing home/long term facilities apparently had a minimum impact in the total count.

EDIT: On the other hand, on states that had minimal impact, that's certainly has been the weak spot.

[ElNono]

Then again, FreeOPP ties to Koch and the Cato Institute makes me wary... but thanks for the info anyways.

[ChumpDumper]

Then again, FreeOPP ties to Koch and the Cato Institute makes me wary... but thanks for the info anyways.Well, their source is...themselves. So you know it's bulletproof.

[ElNono]

Well, their source is...themselves. So you know it's bulletproof.

There are some sources in their google sheet

[ChumpDumper]

There are some sources in their google sheetTrue. Some of the notes prove how difficult it is to truly compare states, but to my knowledge the federal government didn't really recommend or demand any uniformity.

[SnakeBoy]

I thought you meant in the sense that we are not that familiar with these occurrences.



Nice swerve, but not going to let you off the hook. Again, because you completely ignored it, nobody said stopping the virus, everybody said containing.

Do you want to watch that Joe Rogan interview again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

11:30 talks directly about social distancing working which the the kind of stuff we needed to do to contain this thing.

Same interview he says they've a report out at the end of January predicting this stuff.

lol you don't have me on a hook. Literally right before 11:30 he talks about being thoughtful and not doing more harm than good and says "it's really about limiting your contact as much as you can and that's about all we can do".

I mean your still talking about containing the virus. I know you're a smart guy but that's just nonsensical. The virus is all over the planet how the fuck are you still thinking let's contain this thing?

It seems like you just can't get your head around the idea that over the next two years 70% of the human population is going to get infected. In another thread I asked you why you wanted to "slowly get back to normal" and you gave some shit answer about protecting the vulnerable and then getting back to normal this fall. I didn't bother to reply because it's just nonsense. This isn't going to be over in the fall, it's not going to be over the next fall either. It would be great if that was wrong and this just inexplicably dies off like SARS did but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. So I'll ask you now what difference does it make if we stay on some level of lockdown until September and then say fuck it and return to normal? How is that a thoughtful approach?

[ElNono]

lol you don't have me on a hook. Literally right before 11:30 he talks about being thoughtful and not doing more harm than good and says "it's really about limiting your contact as much as you can and that's about all we can do".

I mean your still talking about containing the virus. I know you're a smart guy but that's just nonsensical. The virus is all over the planet how the fuck are you still thinking let's contain this thing?

But that's the point. Experts talking about this while the idiot in charge was holding rallies, but now you pretend that's non-sensical. Experts good or not?

Then you do a gigantic dodge on the containing aspect. Containing means exactly what it sounds, isolating the hotspots, lots of testing, contact tracing, because it's literally the only alternative we have, as we yet don't know if herd immunity will ever be achieved or if the virus is going to die off first (be it naturally or through a vaccine).


It seems like you just can't get your head around the idea that over the next two years 70% of the human population is going to get infected. In another thread I asked you why you wanted to "slowly get back to normal" and you gave some shit answer about protecting the vulnerable and then getting back to normal this fall. I didn't bother to reply because it's just nonsense. This isn't going to be over in the fall, it's not going to be over the next fall either. It would be great if that was wrong and this just inexplicably dies off like SARS did but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. So I'll ask you now what difference does it make if we stay on some level of lockdown until September and then say fuck it and return to normal? How is that a thoughtful approach?

Because the infection rate doesn't add up to 70% of the human population getting infected in the next 2 years. Did you even do the math? In 6 months, 0.1% of the human population got infected with R rates well above 1. At the current average rate at or below 1, it would take 350 years to reach 70%.

That's why herd immunity is a pipe dream also.

My answer was pretty clear. What I want isn't necessarily what I'm going to get, but what I'm hoping to get.

I hope the mitigating aspects of social distancing, mask wearing, etc allows to return to some semblance of normality. But if all that doesn't work out, it's more important to take care of the vulnerable first, over whether I work at home or at the office.

[hater]

China back in lockdowns

https://twitter.com/davegreenidge57/status/1272300952951947265?s=20

[tholdren]

OK, that explains Saturday in Alabama. Now account for the rest of the time.

I've been explaining this to you for months. I've given you sites and access to data. You do math


Your argument was timely data isn't needed.


Lol

[boutons_deux]

COVID-19 cases are surging in key swing states —

and Biden’s campaign plans to make Trump pay

COVID-19 cases are surging (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/texas-sees-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-for-third-straight-day/) in many key swing states, including Florida (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/florida-reports-3400-kids-with-coronavirus-10-stricken-with-severe-illness/), Arizona, and North Carolina.

Axios reports (https://www.axios.com/biden-campaign-trump-coronavirus-71eda319-8851-4665-a077-11b6dea4a149.html) that presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe

Biden is now planning to make President Donald Trump pay for these surges by

attacking him for acting like the pandemic is over.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/covid-19-cases-are-surging-in-key-swing-states-and-bidens-campaign-plans-to-make-trump-pay-report/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29 (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/covid-19-cases-are-surging-in-key-swing-states-and-bidens-campaign-plans-to-make-trump-pay-report/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29)

[RandomGuy]

keeping infected out of nursing/long term care facilities. All said and done I’m guessing over 50+% attributed there. Looking back should have been the number #1 place protected.

Still should be. Need to wrap those places in a virtual "bubble" until this thing passes.

That would involve giving workers food and housing tho to be fully effective. Doubt fascist party would go for that.

[tholdren]

Still should be. Need to wrap those places in a virtual "bubble" until this thing passes.

That would involve giving workers food and housing tho to be fully effective. Doubt fascist party would go for that.

I was right again. Lol you

[DarrinS]

Wow


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[ChumpDumper]

I've been explaining this to you for months. I've given you sites and access to data. You do math


Your argument was timely data isn't needed.


Lollol tholdren keeps on lying

[tholdren]

Wow


1272477203008192512
Complete and utter ignorance if true. Defining the prevelence of spread in mass gatherings is essential to identifying appropriate mitigation. This wIll only extend anti science and anti math fear.

This is simply done because no real spikes in "new" cases. Agendas

[tholdren]

lol tholdren keeps on lying
What is the lie shipman kansas?

[ChumpDumper]

What is the lie shipman kansas?

You lie about what I said again and again.

Why do you lie?

You are anti science.

[tholdren]

You lie about what I said again and again.

Why do you lie?

You are anti science.
No. About a month ago when I told you not to use daily counts you specifically stated that current data means nothing. That was your argument. Lol you not smart.

[ChumpDumper]

No. About a month ago when I told you not to use daily counts you specifically stated that current data means nothing. That was your argument. Lol you not smart.
No. You lie and are anti science.

:lol you said it's the flu and can't admit you did it

[Reck]

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[SnakeBoy]

Because the infection rate doesn't add up to 70% of the human population getting infected in the next 2 years. Did you even do the math? In 6 months, 0.1% of the human population got infected with R rates well above 1. At the current average rate at or below 1, it would take 350 years to reach 70%.


:lol It just ridiculous and intentionally dishonest of you to claim those are the numbers

[boutons_deux]

So much winning, y'all sick (or dead) yet of so much winning?

FDA revokes emergency authorization for antimalarial drugs touted by Trump as covid-19 treatment

The agency said hydroxycholoroquine and a related drug probably don’t work.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/15/hydroxychloroquine-authorization-revoked-coronavirus/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/06/15/hydroxychloroquine-authorization-revoked-coronavirus/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9. eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YS IsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk3NDBkYjNhZGU0ZTIxYTg0OTNm ZGFlIiwidGFnIjoiNWVlN2QwOGNmZTFmZjY1NGMyZmJjZjFhIi widXJsIjoiaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud2FzaGluZ3RvbnBvc3QuY29t L2hlYWx0aC8yMDIwLzA2LzE1L2h5ZHJveHljaGxvcm9xdWluZS 1hdXRob3JpemF0aW9uLXJldm9rZWQtY29yb25hdmlydXMvP3V0 bV9jYW1wYWlnbj13cF90b195b3VyX2hlYWx0aCZ1dG1fbWVkaX VtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ3cGlzcmM9 bmxfdHloJndwbWs9MSJ9.YEf_rjRCw0zOtagYIILToFPShn0Ji FIG3kPL7_HkiDg&utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1)

[boutons_deux]

Trump on coronavirus: 'If we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases, if any'

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/502819-trump-on-coronavirus-if-we-stop-testing-right-now-wed-have-very-few-cases?fbclid=IwAR0_Wry6yQOyFI4HnsBK9jdlGYNzZok4UmU oLbp-9grdug93o-cOl2sg8nM

[tholdren]

1272567287438913536
And like all the other people in this demo. He will survive and not have any issues. Best of luck on your road to recovery Mr. Elliott

[boutons_deux]

Now, you murderous, sadistic rightwingnutjobs are attacking health care workers

COVID-19 is too dangerous for public health workers to stay on the job—

not the virus, the backlash

https://images.dailykos.com/images/810014/story_image/GettyImages-1224848091.jpg?1590596840


Public health workers across the nation have become subject to a growing threat (https://apnews.com/8839ed5e94eea718304820218919738e?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter) in this pandemic—

not from contracting the coronavirus,

but from violent citizens who are angry that their lives have been turned upside down.

Many of these health professionals have decided to quit their jobs to protect themselves and their families, or

have been fired by political leaders under pressure by the public.

The Associated Press and Kaiser Health News has found

at least 27 state and local health leaders who have resigned or been fired.

Because public health officials are being ignored, or pressured, or forced out, science and simple public safety is taking a back seat to political expediency.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/12/1952668/-COVID-19-is-too-dangerous-for-public-healths-workers-to-stay-on-the-job-not-the-virus-the-backlash?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/12/1952668/-COVID-19-is-too-dangerous-for-public-healths-workers-to-stay-on-the-job-not-the-virus-the-backlash?detail=emaildkre)

America is so fucked and unfuckable by the oligarchy, Capitalists, rightwingnutjobs, Repugs

[InRareForm]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ny.com/amp/queens-coughing-bagel-shop-astoria/6248364/

[pgardn]

No we don’t agree here. These “so-called retirement homes” were telling them they couldn’t handle/contain these infected patients and they were forced upon them.

that’s an overstatement.
The abuse has already existed was extended into the pandemic

this business was not a clean business before this outbreak.

we do agree on one thing, we don’t agree

[tholdren]

that’s an overstatement.
The abuse has already existed was extended into the pandemic

this business was not a clean business before this outbreak.

we do agree on one thing, we don’t agree
Ny gov lying about trump. Uh oh

[boutons_deux]

that’s an overstatement.
The abuse has already existed was extended into the pandemic

this business was not a clean business before this outbreak.

we do agree on one thing, we don’t agree

Capitalists have been buying old people's home for the cash flow, while cutting budgets and staff

[tholdren]

Capitalists have been buying old people's home for the cash flow, while cutting budgets and staff

Too bad capitalists can't get covid amirite?

[SnakeBoy]

Complete and utter ignorance if true. Defining the prevelence of spread in mass gatherings is essential to identifying appropriate mitigation. This wIll only extend anti science and anti math fear.

This is simply done because no real spikes in "new" cases. Agendas

I really haven't followed all the back and forth. What is your basic premise that's being argued about?

[tholdren]

I really haven't followed all the back and forth. What is your basic premise that's being argued about?
Context behind data.

In this case not defining where you were or have been completely opposes test and trace.

1. Defining prevalence among this type of mass gathering will be low and would help dispel the notion of lockdown
Or
2. High rate of spread would upset everyone because the government would have locked down but asuppotyed mass gathering.

Way for government to be political and not make any scientific headway or trace cases. Logic defying

[ElNono]

:lol It just ridiculous and intentionally dishonest of you to claim those are the numbers

What do you mean? What numbers are wrong? You made the claim of 70% of the human population in 2 years... completely unsupported. Do tell what's wrong with those numbers?

[ElNono]

:lol I'm the dishonest one, when you're throwing numbers against the wall and running away from them... sad!

[hater]

RIP china again nigas rest in peace

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1272745064033378305?s=19

Called it

[DarrinS]

Dexamethasone

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

[Dirks_Finale]

Interesting. I wonder if it is being used in the US yet.

Just as a layman with common sense, I would have already thought steroids were being used in this fight(like since March), since inflammation is such a big deal with COVID.


Dexamethasone

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

[Dirks_Finale]

With the way China lies, those "40" cases are more like 400,000 new cases.


RIP china again nigas rest in peace

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1272745064033378305?s=19

Called it

[TSA]

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/5h97n884

http://ftp.iza.org/dp13265.pdf

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27102.pdf



Fortunately, economists no longer have to rely on inherently flawed projections. We can use real data. In what might turn out to be the best paper on the economics of Covid-19, a team of economists from the University of California, Berkeley carefully evaluated empirical data on social distancing, shelter-in-place orders, and lives saved. To measure the impact of social distancing, they gathered data from cellphones on travel patterns, foot traffic in nonessential businesses, and personal interactions.

Their findings? Social-distancing measures reduced person-to-person contact by about 50%, while harsher shelter-in-place rules reduced contact by only an additional 5%. Then, using data on Covid-19 infection and mortality, they estimated that these measures saved 74,000 lives. Finally, after using demographic data to adjust the VSL—which is lower for older people, who have fewer years to live—the study found that the gross benefit of social distancing has been a mere $250 billion.

That finding casts major doubt on the value of lockdowns and even social distancing as a method of reducing the spread of Covid-19. While we can’t yet estimate a specific figure, the economic cost of social distancing and lockdowns will likely be more than $1 trillion. And that’s an understatement of the costs when you consider increased suicides and other social losses not captured in gross domestic product. For example, parents of young children have widely noted their kids’ gloomy outlook when not allowed to be with friends.

An even more recent study from economists affiliated with Germany’s IZA Institute of Labor Economics suggests that the Berkeley estimate of 74,000 lives saved over the past four months is best understood as an upper bound. The reason is that shelter-at-home policies don’t so much reduce Covid-19 deaths as delay them. Delaying deaths will reduce them if a vaccine or cure is found in time. But we can’t be sure that an effective vaccine will be produced and available any time soon.

Rather than validating draconian lockdown orders, the latest economic research on Covid-19 suggests that social-distancing efforts in general, and shelter-in-place measures in particular, have done more harm than good. That doesn’t mean that all such measures should be abandoned. “To socially distance or not to socially distance” is not the question. The question should be, what policies actually make sense?

To address that, a team of economists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology recently published the results of a study that compared various alternative strategies for limiting the spread of Covid-19. They concluded that twice as many lives could be saved if governments focused limited resources on protecting the most vulnerable people rather than squandering them on those who seem to face almost no risk, such as children.

These four analyses honestly capture the evolution of economists’ understanding of Covid-19 and public responses to it. The emerging consensus on costs and benefits supports the view that populationwide lockdowns should end.

Mr. Henderson is a research fellow with Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, Mr. Lipow is a professor of economics at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-data-are-in-its-time-for-major-reopening-11592264199?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/GjktrR3OU6

[tholdren]

:lol I'm the dishonest one, when you're throwing numbers against the wall and running away from them... sad!

he's taking the ChumpDumper alt RandomGuy alt blake route. If you post numbers in context it is intellectual dishonesty.

[boutons_deux]

Capitalist BULLSHIT, from the fucking rightwing Hoover Inst published in the Capitalist/Murdoch toilet paper WSJ.

Capitalists' hoarding wealth is more important than The People's health and lives.

"squandering"? really, a dead-give away biased word

[tholdren]

Capitalist BULLSHIT, from the fucking rightwing Hoover Inst published in the Capitalist/Murdoch toilet paper WSJ.

Capitalists' hoarding wealth is more important than The People's health and lives.

"squandering"? really, a dead-give away biased word

Healthy people are being effected by lockdowns not covid. A fact that you ignore.

[SnakeBoy]

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/5h97n884

http://ftp.iza.org/dp13265.pdf

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27102.pdf



Fortunately, economists no longer have to rely on inherently flawed projections. We can use real data. In what might turn out to be the best paper on the economics of Covid-19, a team of economists from the University of California, Berkeley carefully evaluated empirical data on social distancing, shelter-in-place orders, and lives saved. To measure the impact of social distancing, they gathered data from cellphones on travel patterns, foot traffic in nonessential businesses, and personal interactions.

Their findings? Social-distancing measures reduced person-to-person contact by about 50%, while harsher shelter-in-place rules reduced contact by only an additional 5%. Then, using data on Covid-19 infection and mortality, they estimated that these measures saved 74,000 lives. Finally, after using demographic data to adjust the VSL—which is lower for older people, who have fewer years to live—the study found that the gross benefit of social distancing has been a mere $250 billion.

That finding casts major doubt on the value of lockdowns and even social distancing as a method of reducing the spread of Covid-19. While we can’t yet estimate a specific figure, the economic cost of social distancing and lockdowns will likely be more than $1 trillion. And that’s an understatement of the costs when you consider increased suicides and other social losses not captured in gross domestic product. For example, parents of young children have widely noted their kids’ gloomy outlook when not allowed to be with friends.

An even more recent study from economists affiliated with Germany’s IZA Institute of Labor Economics suggests that the Berkeley estimate of 74,000 lives saved over the past four months is best understood as an upper bound. The reason is that shelter-at-home policies don’t so much reduce Covid-19 deaths as delay them. Delaying deaths will reduce them if a vaccine or cure is found in time. But we can’t be sure that an effective vaccine will be produced and available any time soon.

Rather than validating draconian lockdown orders, the latest economic research on Covid-19 suggests that social-distancing efforts in general, and shelter-in-place measures in particular, have done more harm than good. That doesn’t mean that all such measures should be abandoned. “To socially distance or not to socially distance” is not the question. The question should be, what policies actually make sense?

To address that, a team of economists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology recently published the results of a study that compared various alternative strategies for limiting the spread of Covid-19. They concluded that twice as many lives could be saved if governments focused limited resources on protecting the most vulnerable people rather than squandering them on those who seem to face almost no risk, such as children.

These four analyses honestly capture the evolution of economists’ understanding of Covid-19 and public responses to it. The emerging consensus on costs and benefits supports the view that populationwide lockdowns should end.

Mr. Henderson is a research fellow with Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, Mr. Lipow is a professor of economics at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-data-are-in-its-time-for-major-reopening-11592264199?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/GjktrR3OU6

Now's not the time for truth

[Play Boban]

As many as five million have died in india

[ChumpDumper]

What did Balous Miller recommend?

[SnakeBoy]

Dexamethasone

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281


Interesting. I wonder if it is being used in the US yet.

Just as a layman with common sense, I would have already thought steroids were being used in this fight(like since March), since inflammation is such a big deal with COVID.

It's just a common corticosteroid. I remember the Chinese initially tried using them early in the pandemic and found they did not work or made it worse. That fits with a long body of evidence that corticosteroids should not be used for viral infections...
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30317-2/fulltext

So my gut tells me that this study is bunk but I'll reserve judgement until President Trump gives guidance

[tholdren]

Now's not the time for truth
Sure it is. ChumpDumper RandomGuy and TimDunkem need time to flip flop

[ChumpDumper]

Sure it is. ChumpDumper RandomGuy and TimDunkem need time to flip flop:lol you said it's the flu.

[boutons_deux]

Coronavirus: Dexamethasone proves first life-saving drug

The low-dose steroid treatment dexamethasone is a major breakthrough in the fight against the deadly virus

It cut the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators.

For those on oxygen, it cut deaths by a fifth.

Had the drug had been used to treat patients in the UK from the start of the pandemic, up to 5,000 lives could have been saved,

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexamethasone

[tholdren]

:lol you said it's the flu.

yep. Cdc says 2x flu while overcounting. You said 100x more than flu.

I'm right. You are a headline tweeter.
Still afraid of family gatherings or you over that?

[Play Boban]

Undercounted by a factor of 100 in korea

[baseline bum]

Coronavirus: Dexamethasone proves first life-saving drug

The low-dose steroid treatment dexamethasone is a major breakthrough in the fight against the deadly virus

It cut the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators.

For those on oxygen, it cut deaths by a fifth.

Had the drug had been used to treat patients in the UK from the start of the pandemic, up to 5,000 lives could have been saved,

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53061281

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexamethasone

Interesting. Same drug they give you for life threatening altitude sickness.

[boutons_deux]

I read a report weeks ago about giving a generic corticosteroid, anti-inflammatory, when symptoms start to get serious kept the victim from progressing to ARDS

[Play Boban]

Undercounted by a factor of 100 in korea

[ChumpDumper]

yepNice of you to admit your lie. It's a first step.:tu

[boutons_deux]

‘Much more infectious’:

A mutated strain of the novel coronavirus has scientists very concerned

“Viruses with this mutation were much more infectious than those without the mutation in the cell culture system we used,”

The virus uses the spikes to connect to target cell receptors, known as ACE2 (https://www.salon.com/2020/06/01/coronavirus-is-a-blood-vessel-disease-study-says-and-its-mysteries-finally-make-sense/).

With the new mutation, known as D614G,

the quantity of the spikes has increased and the structure of each spike’s “backbone” has enhanced flexibility.

“More flexible spikes allow newly made viral particles to navigate the journey from producer cell to target cell fully intact, with less tendency to fall apart prematurely.”

“Our data are very clear,” Choe emphasized. “The virus becomes much more stable with the mutation.”

It is unclear whether the mutated version of the novel coronavirus affects mortality and symptom severity among infected individuals.

The implications of this study were not necessarily ominous,

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/much-more-infectious-a-mutated-strain-of-the-novel-coronavirus-has-scientists-very-concerned/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/much-more-infectious-a-mutated-strain-of-the-novel-coronavirus-has-scientists-very-concerned/)

[tholdren]

‘Much more infectious’:

A mutated strain of the novel coronavirus has scientists very concerned

“Viruses with this mutation were much more infectious than those without the mutation in the cell culture system we used,”

The virus uses the spikes to connect to target cell receptors, known as ACE2 (https://www.salon.com/2020/06/01/coronavirus-is-a-blood-vessel-disease-study-says-and-its-mysteries-finally-make-sense/).

With the new mutation, known as D614G,

the quantity of the spikes has increased and the structure of each spike’s “backbone” has enhanced flexibility.

“More flexible spikes allow newly made viral particles to navigate the journey from producer cell to target cell fully intact, with less tendency to fall apart prematurely.”

“Our data are very clear,” Choe emphasized. “The virus becomes much more stable with the mutation.”

It is unclear whether the mutated version of the novel coronavirus affects mortality and symptom severity among infected individuals.

The implications of this study were not necessarily ominous,

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/much-more-infectious-a-mutated-strain-of-the-novel-coronavirus-has-scientists-very-concerned/ (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/much-more-infectious-a-mutated-strain-of-the-novel-coronavirus-has-scientists-very-concerned/)



Dr's should have warned the protesters

[tholdren]

TimDunkem thought he had it.

[boutons_deux]

Dr. Fauci Made the Coronavirus Pandemic Worse by Lying About Masks

Fauci lied about whether masks were helpful in slowing the spread of the virus.

Fauci, ... wanted any available masks to be saved for health care workers.

Fauci didn’t just fail to promote masks early on, he actively discouraged the use of masks, saying they didn’t work.

masks have been shown to help prevent the spread of covid-19, as the CDC now admits (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html#:~:text=In%20light%20of%20this%20new,co mmunity%2Dbased%20transmission.).

“There is no reason for anyone right now in the United States, with regard to coronavirus, to wear a mask,” Fauci told Spectrum News DC on February 14 (https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2020/02/15/disease-expert--flu-a-bigger-risk-in-the-us-than-coronavirus).

something that Fauci would say repeatedly whenever he gave interviews in February,

Fauci was incredibly slow to publicly recognize the threat from coronavirus.

As late as March, Fauci was still insisting that masks were bad for public health.

“There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask,” Fauci told 60 Minutes on CBS during an interview that aired March 8 (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preventing-coronavirus-facemask-60-minutes-2020-03-08/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab5j&linkId=84037176&fbclid=IwAR2beT5z3n7w1fBcI87i33fBaC5GJ4js32Sy5_K6T nFYou2LgaCegdpypXo).

https://gizmodo.com/dr-fauci-made-the-coronavirus-pandemic-worse-by-lying-1844050358?utm_source=gizmodo_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-06-17

[boutons_deux]

Woman, 15 friends test positive for coronavirus after night out at Lynch’s

40-year-old health care worker says she regrets not taking precautions

JACKSONVILLE BEACH, Fla. – Erika Crisp has been short of breath for several days and has tested positive for COVID-19.
So have more than a dozen of her friends.

The one thing they all had in common: a night out at Lynch's Irish Pub on June 6 in Jacksonville Beach.

Crisp, a 40-year-old health care worker from Jacksonville, said she’s been sick for eight days, and 15 of her friends have also tested positive for COVID-19.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/06/15/woman-15-friends-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-night-out-at-lynchs/ (https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/06/15/woman-15-friends-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-night-out-at-lynchs/)

Which city has Trash chosen to accept his nomination?

Indian-Killer-Andrew-Jacksonville FL

[DarrinS]

1273266504361017344


Turns out, it was 2 out of 500. Oops

1273266932326846465

[spurraider21]

Corrected within 2 minutes :tu

[Trill Clinton]

The Navajo nation has been hit hard and could use some help. I know 90% of this site is making 6 figures so please donate what you can. The few of us that aren't as blessed financially can still help by donating a few dollars or signing the petition...its free.

1272310336562040836

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52941984

These factors exacerbate health problems among the Navajo and a third of the population suffers from diabetes, heart conditions and lung disease. In some cases, people have fallen ill after years of radiation exposure from hundreds of abandoned uranium mines dotted around the desert.

Severely limited access to healthy food also plays a role. The Navajo Nation spans 71,000 sq km (27,413 sq miles) but has only 13 grocery stores, forcing many residents to drive for hours to towns outside the reservation with better facilities. It is common for people from different households to travel in one vehicle during these excursions because they are unable to afford petrol, further heightening their risk of catching coronavirus.

https://ichef-bbci-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/640/cpsprodpb/614C/production/_112880942_navajo-nc.png (https://ichef-bbci-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/640/cpsprodpb/614C/production/_112880942_navajo-nc.png)
https://ichef-bbci-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A7A0/production/_90021924_bar.jpg (https://ichef-bbci-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/A7A0/production/_90021924_bar.jpg)
Relief efforts have been hampered by limited healthcare resources, too. The reservation's dozen medical facilities hold just 200 hospital beds - approximately one bed for every 900 residents, and a third the national rate. As a result, some coronavirus patients have been moved to makeshift quarantine facilities, while others have been transferred to hospitals outside the reservation.

Many homes are multi-generational as well, making it easier for the virus to spread to elderly and vulnerable residents. A third of households have no access to running water or electricity either, making it hard for thousands of people to wash their hands regularly and to stave off infection.



donation link:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/official-navajo-nation-covid19-relief-fund?utm_source=customer&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link-tip


Petition link
https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/sign-the-petition-to-congress-covid-19-demand-that-congress-expedite-funds-and-resources-to-tribal-nations

[ChumpDumper]

Corrected within 2 minutes :tuTOO LATE. THIS MEANS I NEVER HAVE TO WEAR A MASK AROUND LOW WAGE WORKERS AGAIN!

[TimDunkem]

Darrin, I know your old ass isn't tipping your bartenders, so can you donate some beer money to the Navajo Nation?

[boutons_deux]

'Everybody is sick':

ICU nurse quits after almost two dozen staff members test positive for virus

"We don't have enough people to take care of the patients and

we're concerned about patient safety.

And yet when we voiced those concerns, it's like nothing ... like you're silenced."

Bayfront Health in St. Petersburg, Florida

, there are actually 21 staff members who have tested positive for the virus since the middle of May.

nurses use N-95 masks until they’re “soiled,” broken, or five shifts are up.

“It makes you feel like a nonperson like disposable, just like the mask.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/16/1953586/--Everybody-is-sick-ICU-nurse-quits-after-almost-two-dozen-staff-members-test-positive-for-virus?detail=emaildkre

of course, it's a for-profit hospital in "system" chain for-profit hospitals

[spurraider21]

1272310336562040836
there are 39 deaths

edit: i was wrong. 319

[boutons_deux]

Mike Pence explains how COVID-19 would go away if you would

just stop reading the news

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/16/1953633/-Mike-Pence-explains-how-COVID-19-would-go-away-if-you-would-just-stop-reading-the-news?detail=emaildkre (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/6/16/1953633/-Mike-Pence-explains-how-COVID-19-would-go-away-if-you-would-just-stop-reading-the-news?detail=emaildkre)

[TimDunkem]

there are 39 deaths
Overall?

[TimDunkem]

Navajo Nation has lost 311 according to WoM.

That's more deaths than 15 other states and 4 territories.

[spurraider21]

Navajo Nation has lost 311 according to WoM.

That's more deaths than 15 other states and 4 territories.
whoops i misread. my b

[TimDunkem]

"Navajo Nation: The people battling America's worst coronavirus outbreak"

Relief efforts have been hampered by limited healthcare resources, too. The reservation's dozen medical facilities hold just 200 hospital beds - approximately one bed for every 900 residents, and a third the national rate. As a result, some coronavirus patients have been moved to makeshift quarantine facilities, while others have been transferred to hospitals outside the reservation.
Many homes are multi-generational as well, making it easier for the virus to spread to elderly and vulnerable residents. A third of households have no access to running water or electricity either, making it hard for thousands of people to wash their hands regularly and to stave off infection.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52941984

[boutons_deux]

How — and When — Can the Coronavirus Vaccine Become a Reality?

It is likely we’ll eventually have a coronavirus vaccine — but perhaps not as quickly as some expect.

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-and-when-can-the-coronavirus-vaccine-become-a-reality?utm_source=pardot&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=majorinvestigations&utm_content=feature (https://www.propublica.org/article/how-and-when-can-the-coronavirus-vaccine-become-a-reality?utm_source=pardot&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=majorinvestigations&utm_content=feature)

[DarrinS]

Corrected within 2 minutes :tu

Well, those two tweets were two minutes apart.

[spurraider21]

1273266504361017344


Turns out, it was 2 out of 500. Oops

1273266932326846465
the airport which gave the numbers issued a clarification shortly. do you think they lied as part of a conspiracy to trick americans into panic?

[tholdren]

ChumpDumper RandomGuy and TimDunkem have already panicked... for months.

[boutons_deux]

For all you dickless Macho Man types continuing to spread the virus, sickening and killing others

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/104316456_10157084150906571_6273665291765165632_n. jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=ycAd-QzmnjkAX-Eyxt-&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=1d029a9054fc5d0386c70d8193ffabb8&oe=5F0E2E76

[tholdren]

For all you dickless Macho Man types continuing to spread the virus, sickening and killing others

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/104316456_10157084150906571_6273665291765165632_n. jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=ycAd-QzmnjkAX-Eyxt-&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=1d029a9054fc5d0386c70d8193ffabb8&oe=5F0E2E76
Lololol.
Who is spreading the virus? You can't even prove that the way the cdc counts data.

[spurraider21]

trump has a campaign event scheduled next week in arizona, which has seen its cases skyrocketing. will be interesting to keep an eye on that and see if it gets postponed/cancelled

[DarrinS]

trump has a campaign event scheduled next week in arizona, which has seen its cases skyrocketing. will be interesting to keep an eye on that and see if it gets postponed/cancelled

If it was a Floyd protest, no one would bitch about it.

[spurraider21]

If it was a Floyd protest, no one would bitch about it.
whataboutism, deflection, etc etc

its virtually unanimously agreed that the protests were counterproductive as it relates to covid. the CDC and the people on the task force, birx, fauci, have advised against them.

does that mean we should just say fuck it and add massive indoor gatherings to the mix? especially one directed by the guy who should probably be taking a leadership position in fighting covid?

[spurraider21]

its particularly concerning that the spikes we are seeing now are in warmer states like arizona, texas, florida, california. doesnt bode well for what we all hoped... that the warmer weather would be our ally

[ElNono]

If it was a Floyd protest, no one would bitch about it.

Floyd's death is much more historically important than a Trump rally... one would even argue than Trump himself.

[Spurminator]

If it was a Floyd protest, no one would bitch about it.

If it was a Floyd protest, it wouldn't be a campaign rally for the President, organized by people working for the President.

[DarrinS]

Floyd's death is much more historically important than a Trump rally... one would even argue than Trump himself.

No doubt. Virus doesn't care.

[ElNono]

No doubt. Virus doesn't care.

I agree that the virus doesn't care. I'm just saying that impulses on both can be different.

[velik_m]

https://i.redd.it/fizw93kkah551.png

[boutons_deux]

Nebraska’s GOP governor won’t share federal COVID-19 relief money with counties that require masks

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/nebraskas-gop-governor-wont-share-federal-covid-19-relief-money-with-counties-that-require-masks/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4809

[hater]

its particularly concerning that the spikes we are seeing now are in warmer states like arizona, texas, florida, california. doesnt bode well for what we all hoped... that the warmer weather would be our ally

This virus is weird. Seems to fluorish in humid warm even tropical climates

Guayaquil, ecuador
Brazil
Lima, Peru

But it doesn not seem to do well in dry, cool high altitude places
Quito, ecuador
Himalayas
Butan
La paz, bolivia
Cuzco

[tholdren]

This virus is weird. Seems to fluorish in humid warm even tropical climates

Guayaquil, ecuador
Brazil
Lima, Peru

But it doesn not seem to do well in dry, cool high altitude places
Quito, ecuador
Himalayas
Butan
La paz, bolivia
Cuzco

Compare with other seasonal disease data from each. Time and also fatality.

[DarrinS]

.

Wrong thread

[tholdren]

Released June 5 2020. The WHO explains that benefits of masks were not scientific but a majority to make others feel better and comply with authority..Potential benefits/advantages
The likely advantages of the use of masks by healthy people
in the general public include:
• reduced potential exposure risk from infected persons
before they develop symptoms;
• reduced potential stigmatization of individuals wearing
masks to prevent infecting others (source control) or of
people caring for COVID-19 patients in non-clinical
settings;(70)
• making people feel they can play a role in contributing to
stopping spread of the virus; reminding people to be compliant with other measures
(e.g., hand hygiene, not touching nose and mouth).
However, this can also have the reverse effect (see
below);
• potential social and economic benefits. Amidst the
global shortage of surgical masks and PPE, encouraging
the public to create their own fabric masks may promote
individual enterprise and community integration.
Moreover, the production of non-medical masks may
offer a source of income for those able to manufacture
masks within their communities. Fabric masks can also
be a form of cultural expression, encouraging public
acceptance of protection measures in general. The safe
re-use of fabric masks will also reduce costs and waste
and contribute to sustainability

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1273761708398575618?s=20

[pgardn]

Released June 5 2020. The WHO explains that benefits of masks were not scientific but a majority to make others feel better and comply with authority..Potential benefits/advantages
The likely advantages of the use of masks by healthy people
in the general public include:
• reduced potential exposure risk from infected persons
before they develop symptoms;
• reduced potential stigmatization of individuals wearing
masks to prevent infecting others (source control) or of
people caring for COVID-19 patients in non-clinical
settings;(70)
• making people feel they can play a role in contributing to
stopping spread of the virus; reminding people to be compliant with other measures
(e.g., hand hygiene, not touching nose and mouth).
However, this can also have the reverse effect (see
below);
• potential social and economic benefits. Amidst the
global shortage of surgical masks and PPE, encouraging
the public to create their own fabric masks may promote
individual enterprise and community integration.
Moreover, the production of non-medical masks may
offer a source of income for those able to manufacture
masks within their communities. Fabric masks can also
be a form of cultural expression, encouraging public
acceptance of protection measures in general. The safe
re-use of fabric masks will also reduce costs and waste
and contribute to sustainability

Yeah.
Masks are also totally useless by doctors in surgery, health care workers etc...

Its ancient witchcraft and makes no real science sense.
Idiot...

Ask your dentist to take his mask off next time he works on your large mouth and teeth.

Keep up your information cherry picking.

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1273761708398575618?s=20
NFL season pls

[tholdren]

Yeah.
Masks are also totally useless by doctors in surgery, health care workers etc...

Its ancient witchcraft and makes no real science sense.
Idiot...

Ask your dentist to take his mask off next time he works on your large mouth and teeth.

Keep up your information cherry picking.
Lolololo crying about the new WHO guidance. Lololokoololl

Sorry you were wrong karen

[pgardn]

Lolololo crying about the new WHO guidance. Lololokoololl



Wrong.

Post again.

[tholdren]

Released June 5 2020. The WHO explains that benefits of masks were not scientific but a majority to make others feel better and comply with authority..Potential benefits/advantages
The likely advantages of the use of masks by healthy people
in the general public include:
• reduced potential exposure risk from infected persons
before they develop symptoms;
• reduced potential stigmatization of individuals wearing
masks to prevent infecting others (source control) or of
people caring for COVID-19 patients in non-clinical
settings;(70)
• making people feel they can play a role in contributing to
stopping spread of the virus; reminding people to be compliant with other measures
(e.g., hand hygiene, not touching nose and mouth).
However, this can also have the reverse effect (see
below);
• potential social and economic benefits. Amidst the
global shortage of surgical masks and PPE, encouraging
the public to create their own fabric masks may promote
individual enterprise and community integration.
Moreover, the production of non-medical masks may
offer a source of income for those able to manufacture
masks within their communities. Fabric masks can also
be a form of cultural expression, encouraging public
acceptance of protection measures in general. The safe
re-use of fabric masks will also reduce costs and waste
and contribute to sustainability

pgardn thinks that these WHO fakers don't know nothin he's a spurstalk gossip girl and he's right or he will block you

Karen power

[pgardn]

pgardn thinks that these WHO fakers don't know nothin he's a spurstalk gossip girl and he's right or he will block you



Wrong.
Post again.

Doctors wear masks for what reason?

[tholdren]

Wrong.
Post again.

Doctors wear masks for what reason?

You keep avoiding questions and say the WHO is lying. Strange

[TimDunkem]

F5F5F5F5F5

[tholdren]

Started getting a fever today in addition to the coughing and loss of taste. I called a few places to see if I can get tested. Most said stay home, and others said I need to be referred by a doctor to get one. My job wants me to come in anyway. FML

[pgardn]

You keep avoiding questions and say the WHO is lying. Strange

Not giving all the info from the WHO

Not a bit strange for a liar.

[tholdren]

Not giving all the info from the WHO

Not a bit strange for a liar.
That is the newest release for the genrral public. Bwahahahhahahah your emotional response

Bwahahahahhahahahahahah
Keep talking about this hilarious i seen why you dont answer the questions. Lololl just so emotional

[boutons_deux]

1.5M more jobs lost

“Layoffs that happened at the beginning of this likely were intended as temporary,”

said Martha Gimbel, a labor market expert.

“But if you’re laying off people now, that’s probably a long-term business decision.”

Thanks, Trash

Heckuva job, Donnie

[slick'81]

Arizona now has more cases per capita then nyc and the govenor just told the mayors of every town its their job to decide if mask use should be mandatory.:wow

same govenor who instituted a statewide curfew 2 weeks ago after some looting at a mall

[boutons_deux]

way to go, you fucking red states, moving USA to the 2nd peak of the first wave (not the 2nd wave)

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=~USA

[TimDunkem]

Arizona and Florida exploding with new cases today.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/104254088_181765286629703_1207461735388003832_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=e1BRkSavpBwAX_cCOq3&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=c32a260eb355e1d2a7d5e11ffed3a30a&oe=5F11BFD2

[TimDunkem]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/104254088_181765286629703_1207461735388003832_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=e1BRkSavpBwAX_cCOq3&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=c32a260eb355e1d2a7d5e11ffed3a30a&oe=5F11BFD2
Sadly, they have more than 15 states total death count, and this is for an area where a third of people don't have running water or electricity.

[vy65]

Of the 3,200 people tested so far at the four popup sites across the metro, 1.8 percent have tested positive for Covid-19, says Ehresmann. HealthPartners, one of the largest health care providers in Minnesota, also reported to the state that it had tested about 8,500 people who indicated that attendance at a mass gathering was the reason they wanted a test. Among them, 0.99 percent tested positive. These numbers have been one of the few pleasant surprises since the outbreak began, says Ehresmann. “Right now, with the data available to us, it appears there was very little transmission at protest events,” she says. “We’re just absolutely relieved.”

In a handful of other US cities that have rolled out free testing for protest-goers, the first round of results look similarly encouraging. In Seattle, fewer than 1 percent of the 3,000 people tested after attending protests were positive for coronavirus, according to a statement put out by the city’s mayor last Friday. This week, Boston officials announced that 14 out of 1,288 people tested so far were positive for coronavirus, or 1.1 percent. Of course, these are only three cities out of hundreds that have been enveloped in large-scale protests against police brutality and institutionalized racism. Many are not conducting widespread public testing, and so signals of protest-related spikes may take longer to emerge. Additionally, the peak of protests in some cities, like New York City, San Francisco, and Washington, DC, arrived several days after actions in Minneapolis, where the response to Floyd’s death was swift and furious.

Still, these early numbers are welcome news to Roger Shapiro, a professor of immunology and infectious diseases at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “When I hear a 1 percent positivity rate, that’s encouraging to me that these protests are not representing new hot spots,” he says. That’s because 1 percent is around the background level of community transmission that might be expected if one were to test a large sample of randomly selected people.

https://www.wired.com/story/what-minnesotas-protests-are-revealing-about-covid-19-spread/

[boutons_deux]

Sadly, they have more than 15 states total death count, and this is for an area where a third of people don't have running water or electricity.

"And the King shall answer and say unto them,

Verily I say unto you,

Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,

ye have done it unto me."

Matthew 25:40

[boutons_deux]

Sadly, they have more than 15 states total death count, and this is for an area where a third of people don't have running water or electricity.

Trash withheld pandemic funds from the NAs, and was finally forced to release the funds.

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/104597760_2678067842516524_9189557964289146205_o.j pg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_ohc=xxl7wHFtMHMAX8OOWWr&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=a9531241fc14bf98fcb8d4a9824de8d8&oe=5F11C097

[DarrinS]

https://www.wired.com/story/what-minnesotas-protests-are-revealing-about-covid-19-spread/

That's great news. Apparently, very difficult to transmit outdoors, even when shoulder to shoulder, yellng/chanting etc.

[slick'81]

Players from phillies and bluejays tested positive. Facilities shut down

rays and marlins players aside,everybody better get the fck outta florida with the way things are going

[boutons_deux]

In countries keeping the coronavirus at bay, experts watch U.S. case numbers with alarm

health experts in countries with falling case numbers are watching with a growing sense of alarm and disbelief,

with many wondering why virus-stricken U.S. states continue to reopen and why the advice of scientists is often ignored.

“It really does feel like the U.S. has given up,”

“I can’t imagine what it must be like having to go to work knowing it’s unsafe,”

“It’s hard to see how this ends.

There are just going to be more and more people infected, and

more and more deaths.

It’s heartbreaking.”

President Trump maintains that the United States will not shut down a second time (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-we-wont-be-closing-the-country-again-trump/), :lol

Commentators and experts in Europe, where cases have continued to decline, voiced concerns over the state of the U.S. response.

A headline on the website of Germany’s public broadcaster read:

“Has the U.S. given up its fight against coronavirus?”

Switzerland’s conservative Neue Zürcher Zeitung (https://www.nzz.ch/international/usa-steigende-covid-19-zahlen-werden-vermehrt-in-kauf-genommen-ld.1561223) newspaper concluded,

“U.S. increasingly accepts rising covid-19 numbers.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/06/19/countries-keeping-coronavirus-bay-experts-watch-us-case-numbers-with-alarm (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/06/19/countries-keeping-coronavirus-bay-experts-watch-us-case-numbers-with-alarm/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9. eyJjb29raWVuYW1lIjoid3BfY3J0aWQiLCJpc3MiOiJDYXJ0YS IsImNvb2tpZXZhbHVlIjoiNTk3NDBkYjNhZGU0ZTIxYTg0OTNm ZGFlIiwidGFnIjoiNWVlZDFkNGJmZTFmZjY1NGMyZmZhMmU0Ii widXJsIjoiaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cud2FzaGluZ3RvbnBvc3QuY29t L3dvcmxkLzIwMjAvMDYvMTkvY291bnRyaWVzLWtlZXBpbmctY2 9yb25hdmlydXMtYmF5LWV4cGVydHMtd2F0Y2gtdXMtY2FzZS1u dW1iZXJzLXdpdGgtYWxhcm0vP3V0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj13cF90b1 95b3VyX2hlYWx0aCZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJnV0bV9zb3Vy Y2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ3cGlzcmM9bmxfdHloJndwbWs9MSJ9.q JPzXjDGbqZRaAB5cKko5lm6aJcqmUO6w3c36eLOZ3A&utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1)

Capitalism values Capital over human life, over the planet. It just doesn't fuck care about anything but amassing more Capital

USA is a failed state, governed by incompetents, owned and operated by an wealthy, powerful oligarchy that doesn't give a fucking shit.

[slick'81]

See you in 2022 mlb

[TimDunkem]

Huge amount of infections everywhere today nearing 170K. America seems to be back in the 30K infections per day range and Brazil with 50K today alone. :wow

[baseline bum]

Fuck, COVID hospitalizations are blowing up in San Antonio and the positivity rate is now 19% for tests in San Antonio. Shit is about to get ugly as hell it looks like.

[slick'81]

Sound the mother fucking alarms

[TimDunkem]

Fuck, COVID hospitalizations are blowing up in San Antonio and the positivity rate is now 19% for tests in San Antonio. Shit is about to get ugly as hell it looks like.

Just posted it in the Texas response thread. It is spreading fast.

[baseline bum]

Just posted it in the Texas response thread. It is spreading fast.

Now they're talking about maybe needing to build field hospitals in San Antonio. How is that going to even work here? I can't imagine having COVID induced pneumonia and trying to breathe outside with summertime low temperatures in the mid to high 70s with 100% relative humidity.

[slick'81]

Pro athletes popping up everywhere testing positive now. Fucking chaos

[TimDunkem]

Now they're talking about maybe needing to build field hospitals in San Antonio. How is that going to even work here? I can't imagine having COVID induced pneumonia and trying to breathe outside with summertime low temperatures in the mid to high 70s with 100% relative humidity.

It's alright. We have Freeman, ATT Center, and the Alamodome. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Something is wrong with the people here when SA is somehow neck and neck with a city like Dallas in terms of infection rate.

Says a lot when people here aren't answering contact tracers calls.

[slick'81]

Rip pro sports. Lol sending nba'ers to florcovida

[Trainwreck2100]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/104254088_181765286629703_1207461735388003832_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=e1BRkSavpBwAX_cCOq3&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=c32a260eb355e1d2a7d5e11ffed3a30a&oe=5F11BFD2

yes well if the navajo had sterling immune systems, we'd all be speaking navajo