Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[TSA]

1. You know where you got the stupid child eating information from and where it came from. Dont be disingenuous because I might have spelled it incorrectly. Thats BS.

2. Your are dead wrong. fk your RTC trials it works from actually application of worldwide data we have on real people in the real world. The CORRELATION is undeniable. You are a liar.

3. NO but YOUR got to child eating site did. Do you disavow this site since you have proven to absolutely and utterly WRONG.

4. Yeah, yeah. Continue your disingenuous Bullshit.

:lol RTC trials bad now

You want worldwide data we have on real people in the real world?

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1421903083638988803

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1421143976615186443

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1420051258228973569

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1419754916206153756

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1419723485992013836

[LaMarcus Bryant]

These Florida numbers aren't good enough.

[pgardn]

Statistics say kids are safe. Statistic says grandmas are vaxed. No.need to mask the toddlers

If it does not hurt toddlers AND prevents them from being spreaders, vaccinate them.
Have you heard that parents pick their kids up from child care facilities and they ride home in a car.
Kids are already snot nosed and carry so many infections they give to their parents;
so really?

[DarrinS]

If it does not hurt toddlers AND prevents them from being spreaders, vaccinate them.
Have you heard that parents pick their kids up from child care facilities and they ride home in a car.
Kids are already snot nosed and carry so many infections they give to their parents;
so really?

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/uk-opts-vaccinate-18s-covid-19-78926917#:~:text=UK%20opts%20not%20to%20vaccinate% 20most%20under-18s%20against,KIRKA%20Associated%20Press%20July%20 19%2C%202021%2C%2012%3A17%20PM

[pgardn]

:lol RTC trials bad now

You want worldwide data we have on real people in the real world?

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1421903083638988803

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1421143976615186443

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1420051258228973569

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1419754916206153756

https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1419723485992013836

Mask ABSOLUTELY make a difference, especially for short exposure times.
The numbers in this country say otherwise. You find me any epidemiologist who works with mask data in this country, and is not one of your weird ass gadflys, who says masks are useless. THEY ABSOLUTELY work and the physical mechanism on how they work makes perfect sense. The virus is not shed as single particles. WE get infected by airborne particles with Millions of viral particles that are in water droplets of a size that most masks absolutely DO block.
If you live with a family member, you put them in another room. If you are with a family member actively shedding virus and have to be in close contact over a long period of time, for much of the day, the mask becomes MUCH less effective. WE see this correlation in the statistics.
YOU are flat out wrong.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Remember when conservatives and QTards were experts on viral mutations and laboratory technical terms :lol God bless our Fauci

[pgardn]

Remember when conservatives and QTards were experts on viral mutations and laboratory technical terms :lol God bless our Fauci

Its just not that hard imo.
Masks do become less effective as exposure to a person giving off virus laden water droplets increases.
And there are clearly masks that are much less effective.

He needs to go into a hospital treating Covid patients and tell all the health care workers to take the masks off, look at my data. Like this has not been studied.

[ChumpDumper]

Its just not that hard imo.
Masks do become less effective as exposure to a person giving off virus laden water droplets increases.
And there are clearly masks that are much less effective.

He needs to go into a hospital treating Covid patients and tell all the health care workers to take the masks off, look at my data. Like this has not been studied.When one of his kids gets his/her appendix out, TSA will insist no one in the OR wear a mask.

He'll have those tweets for proof!

[pgardn]

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/uk-opts-vaccinate-18s-covid-19-78926917#:~:text=UK%20opts%20not%20to%20vaccinate% 20most%20under-18s%20against,KIRKA%20Associated%20Press%20July%20 19%2C%202021%2C%2012%3A17%20PM

You go Boris.
They have already experienced problems even getting two vaccinations into the older adult population. So this is absolutely unsurprising. We have vaccinated younger people and it has again miraculously worked. This is a contest to see how long to wait for more complete data. People have had these arguments all the time. We did this vaccine in record time that made a lot of people nervous. It worked on people that decided to take it. It is safe and effective. We saw a huge drop in cases until the variant arose and ran rampant through the unvacc. population.

[spurraider21]

How many breakthrough infections, Darrin?

~165,000,000 fully vaccinated in the US.

How many have spread COVID?

Let's discuss if you're not afraid of the numbers.
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[ChumpDumper]

1421956333608255491Yeah, I saw those threads earlier. I'm sure the Honest Brokers saw them too; their decision to shut the fuck up about data must be due to some condition to be named later.

[TSA]

Mask ABSOLUTELY make a difference, especially for short exposure times.
The numbers in this country say otherwise. You find me any epidemiologist who works with mask data in this country, and is not one of your weird ass gadflys, who says masks are useless. THEY ABSOLUTELY work and the physical mechanism on how they work makes perfect sense. The virus is not shed as single particles. WE get infected by airborne particles with Millions of viral particles that are in water droplets of a size that most masks absolutely DO block.
If you live with a family member, you put them in another room. If you are with a family member actively shedding virus and have to be in close contact over a long period of time, for much of the day, the mask becomes MUCH less effective. WE see this correlation in the statistics.
YOU are flat out wrong.

You keep saying we see this correlation in the statistics and yet you continue avoid posting anything backing up your claims. You were just given countries with the highest mask compliance rates in the world and...no comment. :lol

Capitalizing something doesn't prove anything. You need to start providing all of these statistics you keep clamoring about, and while you are digging those up find me an RCT as well.

I'll start with an RCT

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817

[TSA]

Mask ABSOLUTELY make a difference, especially for short exposure times.
The numbers in this country say otherwise. You find me any epidemiologist who works with mask data in this country, and is not one of your weird ass gadflys, who says masks are useless. THEY ABSOLUTELY work and the physical mechanism on how they work makes perfect sense. The virus is not shed as single particles. WE get infected by airborne particles with Millions of viral particles that are in water droplets of a size that most masks absolutely DO block.
If you live with a family member, you put them in another room. If you are with a family member actively shedding virus and have to be in close contact over a long period of time, for much of the day, the mask becomes MUCH less effective. WE see this correlation in the statistics.
YOU are flat out wrong.

OSHA requires healthcare workers who are expected to perform patient activities with those suspected or confirmed to be infected with COVID-19 to wear respiratory protection, such as an N95 respirator. N95 respirator refers to an N95 filtering facepiece respirator (FFR) that seals to the face and uses a filter to remove at least 95% of airborne particles from the user’s breathing air. NIOSH also approves other FFRs that are as, or more, protective as the N95, including the N99, N100, P95, P100, R95, and R100. It is important to note that surgical masks, sometimes referred to as facemasks, are different than respirators and are not designed nor approved to provide protection against airborne particles. Surgical masks are designed to provide barrier protection against droplets, however they are not regulated for particulate filtration efficiency and they do not form an adequate seal to the wearer’s face to be relied upon for respiratory protection. Without an adequate seal, air and small particles leak around the edges of the respirator and into the wearer’s breathing zone.

https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2020/03/16/n95-preparedness/

Here is where you'll pretend you were talking about properly fitted N95 respirators the entire time :lol

[ChumpDumper]

TSA falls into the "all or nothing" trap. Since a virus particle itself can pass through a cloth mask, masks do absolutely nothing and must never be worn!

Mask wearing is PART of an overall mitigation strategy, and not the most important one -- just the one he can politicize the most.

[TSA]

Its just not that hard imo.
Masks do become less effective as exposure to a person giving off virus laden water droplets increases.
And there are clearly masks that are much less effective.

He needs to go into a hospital treating Covid patients and tell all the health care workers to take the masks off, look at my data. Like this has not been studied.

Hospital workers aren't wearing the same masks that the majority of the general public are.

[pgardn]

You keep saying we see this correlation in the statistics and yet you continue avoid posting anything backing up your claims. You were just given countries with the highest mask compliance rates in the world and...no comment. :lol

Capitalizing something doesn't prove anything. You need to start providing all of these statistics you keep clamoring about, and while you are digging those up find me an RCT as well.

I'll start with an RCT

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817

Great.
They say uncertain. OBSERVATIONAL evidence. But the correlation is absolutely spot on with what I have stated and what other epidemiologist CONTINUE to say.
The increases you see have been correlated with mask wearing from your other graphs when it is running rampant through unvaccinated. Also pure BS. Put the implementation of masks before the variant and forget about the rest of the picture.
So because we have a more infectious strain which clearly is why we get the uptick, masks dont WORK. Take ridiculously specious uncontrolled numbers and just plot only two things, implementation of masks, and cases.

Yeah this is huge news with the following:
AT least they are honest in one article (a weak study) unlike you.
Yes, so clearly masks dont work... Bullshit.

Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.

Yeah masks dont work.

[ChumpDumper]

Hospital workers aren't wearing the same masks that the majority of the general public are.When they open bodies up in ORs they are using surgical masks.

[pgardn]

Hospital workers aren't wearing the same masks that the majority of the general public are.

Oh yeah?
Of course they dont. If They are right in the middle of a bunch of patients giving off virus DURING their work. This is where people like you, the public, can be smart. What kind of mask would you wear on a 2 hour plane flight. Im going with my N 95 from South Korea. What are you going to wear outside? Me absolutely nothing biking, swimming or running. Nothing if I walk the dog. What are you going to wear during heavy hours at HEB? N95 for me. No longer the surgical basic surgical mask.

Think for gods sake...

BTW.
Your OBGYN take. My wife just went in. Her OBGYN asked first thing if she wears a mask in public places indoors (Of course they required masks to even get in the office) and vaccinated. My wife says yes to both. The OBGYN opens up and says she has had a patient who was pregnant and caught the virus because a no masker and no vaccer. She had her child. THE CHILD of two weeks all at home has COVID. She told my wife straight out. This is in SAN ANTONIO. So guess what... What I told you about even regular docs... some are as weird as the gadfly groups you get your info from online. They are supposed to understand virology and keep up with this stuff. Do they all? Its clear the answer is no. You brought up the anecdote so I now counter that with my wife.

You really do enjoy being the gadfly just like derp.

[Thread]

TSA falls into the "all or nothing" trap. Since a virus particle itself can pass through a cloth mask, masks do absolutely nothing and must never be worn!

Mask wearing is PART of an overall mitigation strategy, and not the most important one -- just the one he can politicize the most.

...you went first on the politicization, Dumps. You've nobody to blame but yourselves.

Your regrets are your own.

I've no sympathy for you.

231k of dead Americans are now on mother fucker Biden's side of the COVID Death Ledger.

Let us proceed...

[TSA]

Great.
They say uncertain. OBSERVATIONAL evidence. But the correlation is absolutely spot on with what I have stated and what other epidemiologist CONTINUE to say.
The increases you see have been correlated with mask wearing from your other graphs when it is running rampant through unvaccinated. Also pure BS. Put the implementation of masks before the variant and forget about the rest of the picture.
So because we have a more infectious strain which clearly is why we get the uptick, masks dont WORK. Take ridiculously specious uncontrolled numbers and just plot only two things, implementation of masks, and cases.

Yeah this is huge news with the following:
AT least they are honest in one article (a weak study) unlike you.
Yes, so clearly masks dont work... Bullshit.

Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.

Yeah masks dont work.

Still waiting for you to post an RCT showing how well masks work.

[RandomGuy]

You keep saying we see this correlation in the statistics and yet you continue avoid posting anything backing up your claims. You were just given countries with the highest mask compliance rates in the world and...no comment. :lol

Capitalizing something doesn't prove anything. You need to start providing all of these statistics you keep clamoring about, and while you are digging those up find me an RCT as well.

I'll start with an RCT

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817

In your own words, what does that study mean?

[TSA]

Oh yeah?
Of course they dont. If They are right in the middle of a bunch of patients giving off virus DURING their work. This is where people like you, the public, can be smart. What kind of mask would you wear on a 2 hour plane flight. Im going with my N 95 from South Korea. What are you going to wear outside? Me absolutely nothing biking, swimming or running. Nothing if I walk the dog. What are you going to wear during heavy hours at HEB? N95 for me. No longer the surgical basic surgical mask.

Think for gods sake...

So you don't wear a surgical mask either because you know they are worthless against airborne Covid particles :rollin

What percentage of the general population is wearing properly fitted N95 respirators? What percentage of the general population are wearing surgical masks, neck gators, cloth masks?


BTW.
Your OBGYN take. My wife just went in. Her OBGYN asked first thing if she wears a mask in public places indoors (Of course they required masks to even get in the office) and vaccinated. My wife says yes to both. The OBGYN opens up and says she has had a patient who was pregnant and caught the virus because a no masker and no vaccer. She had her child. THE CHILD of two weeks all at home has COVID. She told my wife straight out. This is in SAN ANTONIO. So guess what... What I told you about even regular docs... some are as weird as the gadfly groups you get your info from online. They are supposed to understand virology and keep up with this stuff. Do they all? Its clear the answer is no. You brought up the anecdote so I now counter that with my wife.

You really do enjoy being the gadfly just like derp.Is your wife pregnant? If not I have no clue why you bothered with that word salad of an anecdote.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao TSA is thinking general mask use is to keep virus particles OUT?

After a year and a half?

Stick with your Satan research.

[RandomGuy]

Still waiting for you to post an RCT showing how well masks work.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33087517/

One, and the first thing that popped up out of several results. Very controlled environment.

All the studies you are posting are ill designed to answer the question "are masks of various sorts, and cloth masks specifically effective at reducing transmission of COVID-19".

They do speak to whether mask mandates are effective as masks are employed or not in any given area.

Seems like the way they are employed widely does not do much to wider rates, but avoided cases is hard to tease out of the data.

[RandomGuy]

So you don't wear a surgical mask either because you know they are worthless against airborne Covid particles :rollin


Surgical masks are absolutely effective at preventing airborne virus spreading. Every study I have been thumbing through has that as a given in the language.

It all boils down to this:



Cloth masks have been used in healthcare and community settings to protect the wearer from respiratory infections. The use of cloth masks during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic is under debate. The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly. Multilayer cloth masks, designed to fit around the face and made of water-resistant fabric with a high number of threads and finer weave, may provide reasonable protection. Until a cloth mask design is proven to be equally effective as a medical or N95 mask, wearing cloth masks should not be mandated for healthcare workers. In community settings, however, cloth masks may be used to prevent community spread of infections by sick or asymptomatically infected persons, and the public should be educated about their correct use.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article


They all state that medical masks are more effective than cloth masks.

Hard to make that claim if they are "worthless", it would seem.

[TSA]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33087517/

One, and the first thing that popped up out of several results. Very controlled environment.

All the studies you are posting are ill designed to answer the question "are masks of various sorts, and cloth masks specifically effective at reducing transmission of COVID-19".

They do speak to whether mask mandates are effective as masks are employed or not in any given area.

Seems like the way they are employed widely does not do much to wider rates, but avoided cases is hard to tease out of the data.

That's not an RCT, and I'd already seen that study. Fitted N95's work well.

[TSA]

Surgical masks are absolutely effective at preventing airborne virus spreading. Every study I have been thumbing through has that as a given in the language.

It all boils down to this:




https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-0948_article


They all state that medical masks are more effective than cloth masks.

Hard to make that claim if they are "worthless", it would seem.

Take it up with OSHA.

OSHA requires healthcare workers who are expected to perform patient activities with those suspected or confirmed to be infected with COVID-19 to wear respiratory protection, such as an N95 respirator. N95 respirator refers to an N95 filtering facepiece respirator (FFR) that seals to the face and uses a filter to remove at least 95% of airborne particles from the user’s breathing air. NIOSH also approves other FFRs that are as, or more, protective as the N95, including the N99, N100, P95, P100, R95, and R100. It is important to note that surgical masks, sometimes referred to as facemasks, are different than respirators and are not designed nor approved to provide protection against airborne particles. Surgical masks are designed to provide barrier protection against droplets, however they are not regulated for particulate filtration efficiency and they do not form an adequate seal to the wearer’s face to be relied upon for respiratory protection. Without an adequate seal, air and small particles leak around the edges of the respirator and into the wearer’s breathing zone.

https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2020/03/16/n95-preparedness/

[RandomGuy]

Still waiting for you to post an RCT showing how well masks work.

The effectiveness of face masks to prevent SARS CoV-2 transmission: A summary of the peer-review science.

Executive Summary: The peer-reviewed scientific evidence for the protective effect of face masks and respiratory virus infection in healthcare and community settings is overwhelming. The following studies, all published in 2020, focus on the usefulness of wearing facemasks during the COVID-19 pandemic. Nearly all these studies conclude that, outside of the healthcare setting, wearing a face mask reduces one’s risk of being exposed to SARS CoV2 virus, and transmitting the virus to others, if infected. Controlled experiments similarly showed that mask wearing reduced the amount of exposure to virus particles. Importantly, countries, states and jurisdictions that imposed mask wearing mandates and encouraged adherence were generally associated with lower disease transmission and overall decreases in disease trends. Despite political controversies surrounding mask wearing, the published scientific evidence strongly supports mask wearing, coupled with hand hygiene and social distancing to reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission in the community.

Reviews and Meta-analyses:

Chu et al. Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis. Lancet (2020).
The authors identified 172 observational coronavirus studies across 16 countries; 38 of these studies specifically studied face masks and the risk of COVID-19 illness. The authors found that the use of either an N95 respirator or face mask (e.g., disposable surgical masks or similar reusable 12–16-layer cotton masks) by those exposed to infected individuals was associated with a large reduction in risk of infection (up to an 85% reduced risk). The use of face masks was protective for both health-care workers and people in the community exposed to infection.

MacIntyre et al. A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients. International Journal of Nursing Studies (2020).
The authors describe 8 clinical trials evaluating the effectiveness of face masks to reduce respiratory viruses and SARS CoV2 transmission. Their analysis suggests that community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic. The studies of masks as source control (where sick persons use masks to reduce spread) also suggest a benefit and may be important during the COVID-19 pandemic in both community and health care settings.

Wang J, Pan L, Tang S, Ji JS, Shi X. Mask use during COVID-19: A risk adjusted strategy. Environ Pollut. (2020). 266(Pt 1):115099.
Prior to COVID-19, the authors highlight a large systematic review from 67 studies that showed that wearing masks is one of the important barriers to controlling respiratory viruses transmission; and evidences indicates that N95 respirators were similarly effective to surgical masks (Jefferson et al., 2011). Additionally, the authors summarized that the main transmission routes of SARS-
CoV-2 include droplet, contact transmissions, and airborne transmissions, which is characterized by high proportion of cases with mild symptom or asymptomatic cases, and the necessity of wearing masks by the public during COVID-19 pandemic has been under-emphasized.

Brainard et al. Facemasks and similar barriers to prevent respiratory illness such as COVID-19: A rapid systematic review. medRxiv (2020).
The authors reviewed 31 clinical trials and observational studies to better understand the value of wearing facemasks in community settings to prevent respiratory illness. The authors report that when both housemates and an infected household member wore facemasks the likelihood of additional household members becoming ill may be modestly reduced by around 19%. The authors go on to conclude that, based on clinical trials, wearing facemasks can be slightly protective against primary infection from casual community contact, and modestly protective against household infections when both infected and uninfected members wear facemasks.

Gandhi et al. Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer. J Gen Intern Med (2020);1-4.
The authors suggest that although universal public masking can certainly protect others, the “inoculum” theory (the amount of virus particles one could be exposed to) argues for a major protective effect for the individual. Masks, depending on the material and design, filter out a majority of viral particles and decrease the overall ‘dose’ of virus particles one could be exposed to. This perspective commentary puts forth another advantage of population-level facial masking for pandemic control with SARS-CoV-2 based on an old but enduring theory regarding viral inoculum.
Howard et al. Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review. Proceedings National Academy Sciences (2020).
This review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use to reduce community transmission: masks use materials that obstruct droplets of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period post-infection masks have been effective in reducing transmission of influenza; non-medical masks have been shown to be effective at blocking transmission of coronavirus; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission. The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of non-medical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures could successfully reduce effective-R to below 1.0, thereby stopping community spread.

Matuschek et al. Face masks: benefits and risks during the COVID-19 crisis. Eur J Med Res. 2020 Aug 12;25(1):32.
In this review of the available literature, the authors found that the use of masks that include mouth and nose covering were linked to relevant protection during close contact scenarios by limiting pathogen-containing aerosol and liquid droplet dissemination. Wearing a mask in areas where sufficient distance is not feasible, such as public transportation, most likely reduces the spread of virus-loaded droplets and therefore the risk of transferring SARS-CoV-2. However, the authors note that if masks are not exchanged regularly (or washed properly when made of cloth), pathogens can accumulate in the mask. When improperly used, the risk of spreading the pathogen—including SARS-CoV-2—might be critically increased.

Epidemiologic Studies:
Stutt et al. A modelling framework to assess the likely effectiveness of facemasks in combination with ‘lock-down’ in managing the COVID-19 pandemic. Proc. R. Soc.
The authors use two complementary mathematical modelling approaches to test the effectiveness of facemask wearing by sections of the population in reducing the transmission rate of SARS-Cov-2. Their models show that, when facemasks are used by the public all the time (not just from when symptoms first appear), the effective reproduction number can be decreased below 1, leading to the overall reduction of disease spread.

Mitze et al. Face Masks Considerably Reduce COVID-19 Cases in Germany: A Synthetic Control Method Approach. Institute of Labor Economics (2020).
The authors assessed the impact of mandatory face mask policies in Germany on national case counts reported to federal health authorities. Depending on the region they analyzed, the authors found that face masks reduced the cumulative number of reported COVID-19 cases between 2.3% and 13% over a period of 10 days after they became compulsory. The authors go on to conclude that the introduction of face masks on 6 April reduced the number of new infections over the next 20 days by almost 25%.

Rader B et al. Mask Wearing and Control of SARS-CoV-2 Transmission in the United States. medRxiv (2020).
The authors conducted cross-sectional surveys and used a multivariate logistic model to predict community transmission using state- and week-specific estimates for mask wearing. The authors, controlling for social distancing and other variables, found that a 10% increase in mask wearing was associated with a 3.5-fold increased likelihood of controlling disease transmission. Specifically, communities with high mask wearing adherence and social distancing have the highest predicted probability of a controlled epidemic.

Zhang et al. Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (2020), 117 (26) 14857-4863.
The authors quantified the impact of face coverings by projecting the number of new infections based on the data prior to implementing the use of face masks in Italy on April 6 and NYC on April 17. Their analysis indicated that face coverings reduced the number of infections by over 75,000 in Italy from April 6 to May 9 and by over 66,000 in NYC from April 17 to May 9. The authors concluded that wearing of face masks in public corresponds to the most effective means to prevent interhuman transmission, and this inexpensive practice, in conjunction with extensive testing, quarantine, and contact tracing, poses the most probable opportunity to stop the COVID-19 pandemic, prior to the development of a vaccine.

Wang et al. Reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in households by face mask use, disinfection and social distancing: a cohort study in Beijing, China. BMJ Glob Health (2020).
In this retrospective cohort study, the authors analyzed factors that prevented secondary transmission of COVID-19 among household contacts. The authors found that face mask use by the primary case and family contacts before the primary case developed symptoms was 79% effective in reducing secondary transmission.

Doung-ngern et al. Case-control study of use of personal protective measures and risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection, Thailand. Emerg Infect Dis (2020).
In this case-control study in Thailand of 211 cases and 839 controls, the authors found that wearing masks all the time during contact was independently associated with a 77% reduced risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection compared with not wearing masks. The authors also found the type of mask worn was not independently associated with infection.

Wilson et al. Factors Influencing Risk for COVID-19 Exposure Among Young Adults Aged 18–23 Years — Winnebago County, Wisconsin, March–July 2020. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep (2020); 69:1497–1502.
During an outbreak of COVID-19 among young adults in Wisconsin, the authors conducted 30 key informant interviews. Most interviewees reported exposure to misinformation, conflicting messages, or opposing views about the need for and effectiveness of masks. The authors concluded that exposure to misinformation and unclear messages may have been a driver of the outbreak, underscoring the importance of providing clear and consistent messages about the need for and effectiveness of masks.

Leffler et al. Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks. medRxiv (2020).
The authors analyzed differences between countries to determine sources of variation in per-capita mortality from COVID-19. In countries with cultural norms or government policies supporting public mask-wearing, per-capita coronavirus mortality increased on average by just 15.8% each week, as compared with 62.1% each week in remaining countries. The authors concluded that societal norms and government policies supporting the wearing of masks by the public, as well as international travel controls, are independently associated with lower per-capita mortality from COVID-19.

Lyu et al. Community Use of Face Masks And COVID-19: Evidence From A Natural Experiment Of State Mandates In The US. Health Affairs (2020).
This study, similar to Leffler et al, compares government mandates for face mask use in public issued by fifteen states during April 8 and May 15, 2020. The authors concluded that mandating face mask use in public was associated with a decline in the daily COVID-19 growth rate by 0.9, 1.1, 1.4, 1.7, and 2.0 percentage points in 1–5, 6–10, 11–15, 16–20, and 21 or more days after state face mask orders were signed, respectively. Estimates suggest that as a result of the implementation of these mandates, more than 200,000 COVID-19 cases were averted by May 22, 2020. The findings suggested that requiring face mask use in public could help in mitigating the spread of COVID-19.

Eikenberry et al. To mask or not to mask: Modeling the potential for face mask use by the general public to curtail the COVID-19 pandemic. Infect Dis Model (2020);5:293-308.
The authors use a mathematical model to simulate the impact of universal mask wearing. Hypothetical mask adoption scenarios, for Washington and New York state, suggest that immediate near universal (80%) adoption of moderately (50%) effective masks could prevent on the order of 17-45% of projected deaths over two months in New York, while decreasing the peak daily death rate by 34-58%, absent other changes in epidemic dynamics. In Washington, where baseline transmission is much less intense, 80% adoption of such masks could reduce mortality by 24–65% (and peak deaths 15–69%), compared to 2–9% mortality reduction in New York (peak death reduction 9–18%).

Controlled Experiments:
Ma QX, Shan H, Zhang HL, Li GM, Yang RM, Chen JM. Potential utilities of mask-wearing and instant hand hygiene for fighting SARS-CoV-2. J Med Virol (2020).
In this study, the efficacy of three types of masks were evaluated using the avian influenza virus to simulate the coronavirus. N95 masks, medical masks, and homemade masks made of four‐layer kitchen paper and one‐layer cloth could block 99.98%, 97.14%, and 95.15% of the virus in aerosols. With these data, the authors propose the approach of mask‐wearing to slow the exponential spread of the virus.

Leung, N.H.L., Chu, D.K.W., Shiu, E.Y.C. et al. Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks. Nat Med 26, 676–680 (2020).
The authors tested viral shedding (in terms of viral copies per sample) in nasal swabs, throat swabs, respiratory droplet samples and aerosol samples and compared the latter two between samples collected with or without a face mask. The study demonstrated the efficacy of surgical masks to reduce coronavirus detection and viral copies in large respiratory droplets and in aerosols.

Fischer et al. Low-cost measurement of face mask efficacy for filtering expelled droplets during speech. Science Advances (2020).
The authors demonstrated a simple optical measurement to evaluate the efficacy of masks to reduce the transmission of respiratory droplets during regular speech. In their proof-of-concept study, they compared a variety of commonly available mask types and observed that some mask types such as clothe masks approach the performance of standard surgical masks, while some mask alternatives, such as neck gaiters or bandanas, offer very little protection.

Bae et al. Effectiveness of Surgical and Cotton Masks in Blocking SARS–CoV-2: A Controlled Comparison in 4 Patients. Annal of Internal Medicine (2020).
In this study of only 4 patients, the authors compared disposable surgical masks with reusable 100% cotton masks to filter SARS CoV-2. Neither surgical nor cotton masks effectively filtered SARS–CoV-2 during coughs by infected patients.

Konda A, Prakash A, Moss GA, Schmoldt M, Grant GD, Guha S. Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks. ACS Nano (2020)14(5):6339-6347.
This study assessed filtration effectiveness of various mask materials. Although the filtration efficiencies for various fabrics when a single layer was used ranged from 5 to 80% and 5 to 95% for particle sizes of <300 nm and >300 nm, respectively, the efficiencies improved when multiple layers were used and when using a specific combination of different fabrics. Filtration efficiencies of the hybrids (such as cotton-silk, cotton-chiffon, cotton-flannel) was >80% (for particles <300 nm) and >90% (for particles >300 nm). Cotton, the most widely used material for cloth masks performs better at higher weave densities (i.e., thread count) and can make a significant difference in filtration efficiencies.

[not going to bother linking to all the URLS, but they can be easily had in the below linked PDF that this is copied from -RG]
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https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/media/674/open

Luckily some expert put it all into a summary.

Masks work, and that seems pretty definitive to me. I would defer to the experts on this one.

I can't speak to wider issues of whether they are effective in the general population, because it seems there are enough shit-weasels who don't wear them and don't care to undermine mandates.

I can though, determine my individual actions based on my own sense of ethics and harm-reduction. What others do is not that relevant to what *I* should do in this case.

[Thread]

The effectiveness of face masks to prevent SARS CoV-2 transmission: A summary of the peer-review science.
Executive Summary: The peer-reviewed scientific evidence for the protective effect of face masks and respiratory virus infection in healthcare and community settings is overwhelming. The following studies, all published in 2020, focus on the usefulness of wearing facemasks during the COVID-19 pandemic. Nearly all these studies conclude that, outside of the healthcare setting, wearing a face mask reduces one’s risk of being exposed to SARS CoV2 virus, and transmitting the virus to others, if infected. Controlled experiments similarly showed that mask wearing reduced the amount of exposure to virus particles. Importantly, countries, states and jurisdictions that imposed mask wearing mandates and encouraged adherence were generally associated with lower disease transmission and overall decreases in disease trends. Despite political controversies surrounding mask wearing, the published scientific evidence strongly supports mask wearing, coupled with hand hygiene and social distancing to reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission in the community.
Reviews and Meta-analyses:
Chu et al. Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis. Lancet (2020).
The authors identified 172 observational coronavirus studies across 16 countries; 38 of these studies specifically studied face masks and the risk of COVID-19 illness. The authors found that the use of either an N95 respirator or face mask (e.g., disposable surgical masks or similar reusable 12–16-layer cotton masks) by those exposed to infected individuals was associated with a large reduction in risk of infection (up to an 85% reduced risk). The use of face masks was protective for both health-care workers and people in the community exposed to infection.
MacIntyre et al. A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients. International Journal of Nursing Studies (2020).
The authors describe 8 clinical trials evaluating the effectiveness of face masks to reduce respiratory viruses and SARS CoV2 transmission. Their analysis suggests that community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic. The studies of masks as source control (where sick persons use masks to reduce spread) also suggest a benefit and may be important during the COVID-19 pandemic in both community and health care settings.
Wang J, Pan L, Tang S, Ji JS, Shi X. Mask use during COVID-19: A risk adjusted strategy. Environ Pollut. (2020). 266(Pt 1):115099.
Prior to COVID-19, the authors highlight a large systematic review from 67 studies that showed that wearing masks is one of the important barriers to controlling respiratory viruses transmission; and evidences indicates that N95 respirators were similarly effective to surgical masks (Jefferson et al., 2011). Additionally, the authors summarized that the main transmission routes of SARS-
CoV-2 include droplet, contact transmissions, and airborne transmissions, which is characterized by high proportion of cases with mild symptom or asymptomatic cases, and the necessity of wearing masks by the public during COVID-19 pandemic has been under-emphasized.
Brainard et al. Facemasks and similar barriers to prevent respiratory illness such as COVID-19: A rapid systematic review. medRxiv (2020).
The authors reviewed 31 clinical trials and observational studies to better understand the value of wearing facemasks in community settings to prevent respiratory illness. The authors report that when both housemates and an infected household member wore facemasks the likelihood of additional household members becoming ill may be modestly reduced by around 19%. The authors go on to conclude that, based on clinical trials, wearing facemasks can be slightly protective against primary infection from casual community contact, and modestly protective against household infections when both infected and uninfected members wear facemasks.
Gandhi et al. Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer. J Gen Intern Med (2020);1-4.
The authors suggest that although universal public masking can certainly protect others, the “inoculum” theory (the amount of virus particles one could be exposed to) argues for a major protective effect for the individual. Masks, depending on the material and design, filter out a majority of viral particles and decrease the overall ‘dose’ of virus particles one could be exposed to. This perspective commentary puts forth another advantage of population-level facial masking for pandemic control with SARS-CoV-2 based on an old but enduring theory regarding viral inoculum.
Howard et al. Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review. Proceedings National Academy Sciences (2020).
This review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use to reduce community transmission: masks use materials that obstruct droplets of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period post-infection masks have been effective in reducing transmission of influenza; non-medical masks have been shown to be effective at blocking transmission of coronavirus; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission. The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of non-medical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures could successfully reduce effective-R to below 1.0, thereby stopping community spread.
Matuschek et al. Face masks: benefits and risks during the COVID-19 crisis. Eur J Med Res. 2020 Aug 12;25(1):32.
In this review of the available literature, the authors found that the use of masks that include mouth and nose covering were linked to relevant protection during close contact scenarios by limiting pathogen-containing aerosol and liquid droplet dissemination. Wearing a mask in areas where sufficient distance is not feasible, such as public transportation, most likely reduces the spread of virus-loaded droplets and therefore the risk of transferring SARS-CoV-2. However, the authors note that if masks are not exchanged regularly (or washed properly when made of cloth), pathogens can accumulate in the mask. When improperly used, the risk of spreading the pathogen—including SARS-CoV-2—might be critically increased.
Epidemiologic Studies:
Stutt et al. A modelling framework to assess the likely effectiveness of facemasks in combination with ‘lock-down’ in managing the COVID-19 pandemic. Proc. R. Soc.
The authors use two complementary mathematical modelling approaches to test the effectiveness of facemask wearing by sections of the population in reducing the transmission rate of SARS-Cov-2. Their models show that, when facemasks are used by the public all the time (not just from when symptoms first appear), the effective reproduction number can be decreased below 1, leading to the overall reduction of disease spread.
Mitze et al. Face Masks Considerably Reduce COVID-19 Cases in Germany: A Synthetic Control Method Approach. Institute of Labor Economics (2020).
The authors assessed the impact of mandatory face mask policies in Germany on national case counts reported to federal health authorities. Depending on the region they analyzed, the authors found that face masks reduced the cumulative number of reported COVID-19 cases between 2.3% and 13% over a period of 10 days after they became compulsory. The authors go on to conclude that the introduction of face masks on 6 April reduced the number of new infections over the next 20 days by almost 25%.
Rader B et al. Mask Wearing and Control of SARS-CoV-2 Transmission in the United States. medRxiv (2020).
The authors conducted cross-sectional surveys and used a multivariate logistic model to predict community transmission using state- and week-specific estimates for mask wearing. The authors, controlling for social distancing and other variables, found that a 10% increase in mask wearing was associated with a 3.5-fold increased likelihood of controlling disease transmission. Specifically, communities with high mask wearing adherence and social distancing have the highest predicted probability of a controlled epidemic.
Zhang et al. Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (2020), 117 (26) 14857-4863.
The authors quantified the impact of face coverings by projecting the number of new infections based on the data prior to implementing the use of face masks in Italy on April 6 and NYC on April 17. Their analysis indicated that face coverings reduced the number of infections by over 75,000 in Italy from April 6 to May 9 and by over 66,000 in NYC from April 17 to May 9. The authors concluded that wearing of face masks in public corresponds to the most effective means to prevent interhuman transmission, and this inexpensive practice, in conjunction with extensive testing, quarantine, and contact tracing, poses the most probable opportunity to stop the COVID-19 pandemic, prior to the development of a vaccine.
Wang et al. Reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in households by face mask use, disinfection and social distancing: a cohort study in Beijing, China. BMJ Glob Health (2020).
In this retrospective cohort study, the authors analyzed factors that prevented secondary transmission of COVID-19 among household contacts. The authors found that face mask use by the primary case and family contacts before the primary case developed symptoms was 79% effective in reducing secondary transmission.
Doung-ngern et al. Case-control study of use of personal protective measures and risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection, Thailand. Emerg Infect Dis (2020).
In this case-control study in Thailand of 211 cases and 839 controls, the authors found that wearing masks all the time during contact was independently associated with a 77% reduced risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection compared with not wearing masks. The authors also found the type of mask worn was not independently associated with infection.
Wilson et al. Factors Influencing Risk for COVID-19 Exposure Among Young Adults Aged 18–23 Years — Winnebago County, Wisconsin, March–July 2020. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep (2020); 69:1497–1502.
During an outbreak of COVID-19 among young adults in Wisconsin, the authors conducted 30 key informant interviews. Most interviewees reported exposure to misinformation, conflicting messages, or opposing views about the need for and effectiveness of masks. The authors concluded that exposure to misinformation and unclear messages may have been a driver of the outbreak, underscoring the importance of providing clear and consistent messages about the need for and effectiveness of masks.
Leffler et al. Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks. medRxiv (2020).
The authors analyzed differences between countries to determine sources of variation in per-capita mortality from COVID-19. In countries with cultural norms or government policies supporting public mask-wearing, per-capita coronavirus mortality increased on average by just 15.8% each week, as compared with 62.1% each week in remaining countries. The authors concluded that societal norms and government policies supporting the wearing of masks by the public, as well as international travel controls, are independently associated with lower per-capita mortality from COVID-19.
Lyu et al. Community Use of Face Masks And COVID-19: Evidence From A Natural Experiment Of State Mandates In The US. Health Affairs (2020).
This study, similar to Leffler et al, compares government mandates for face mask use in public issued by fifteen states during April 8 and May 15, 2020. The authors concluded that mandating face mask use in public was associated with a decline in the daily COVID-19 growth rate by 0.9, 1.1, 1.4, 1.7, and 2.0 percentage points in 1–5, 6–10, 11–15, 16–20, and 21 or more days after state face mask orders were signed, respectively. Estimates suggest that as a result of the implementation of these mandates, more than 200,000 COVID-19 cases were averted by May 22, 2020. The findings suggested that requiring face mask use in public could help in mitigating the spread of COVID-19.
Eikenberry et al. To mask or not to mask: Modeling the potential for face mask use by the general public to curtail the COVID-19 pandemic. Infect Dis Model (2020);5:293-308.
The authors use a mathematical model to simulate the impact of universal mask wearing. Hypothetical mask adoption scenarios, for Washington and New York state, suggest that immediate near universal (80%) adoption of moderately (50%) effective masks could prevent on the order of 17-45% of projected deaths over two months in New York, while decreasing the peak daily death rate by 34-58%, absent other changes in epidemic dynamics. In Washington, where baseline transmission is much less intense, 80% adoption of such masks could reduce mortality by 24–65% (and peak deaths 15–69%), compared to 2–9% mortality reduction in New York (peak death reduction 9–18%).
Controlled Experiments:
Ma QX, Shan H, Zhang HL, Li GM, Yang RM, Chen JM. Potential utilities of mask-wearing and instant hand hygiene for fighting SARS-CoV-2. J Med Virol (2020).
In this study, the efficacy of three types of masks were evaluated using the avian influenza virus to simulate the coronavirus. N95 masks, medical masks, and homemade masks made of four‐layer kitchen paper and one‐layer cloth could block 99.98%, 97.14%, and 95.15% of the virus in aerosols. With these data, the authors propose the approach of mask‐wearing to slow the exponential spread of the virus.
Leung, N.H.L., Chu, D.K.W., Shiu, E.Y.C. et al. Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks. Nat Med 26, 676–680 (2020).
The authors tested viral shedding (in terms of viral copies per sample) in nasal swabs, throat swabs, respiratory droplet samples and aerosol samples and compared the latter two between samples collected with or without a face mask. The study demonstrated the efficacy of surgical masks to reduce coronavirus detection and viral copies in large respiratory droplets and in aerosols.
Fischer et al. Low-cost measurement of face mask efficacy for filtering expelled droplets during speech. Science Advances (2020).
The authors demonstrated a simple optical measurement to evaluate the efficacy of masks to reduce the transmission of respiratory droplets during regular speech. In their proof-of-concept study, they compared a variety of commonly available mask types and observed that some mask types such as clothe masks approach the performance of standard surgical masks, while some mask alternatives, such as neck gaiters or bandanas, offer very little protection.
Bae et al. Effectiveness of Surgical and Cotton Masks in Blocking SARS–CoV-2: A Controlled Comparison in 4 Patients. Annal of Internal Medicine (2020).
In this study of only 4 patients, the authors compared disposable surgical masks with reusable 100% cotton masks to filter SARS CoV-2. Neither surgical nor cotton masks effectively filtered SARS–CoV-2 during coughs by infected patients.
Konda A, Prakash A, Moss GA, Schmoldt M, Grant GD, Guha S. Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks. ACS Nano (2020)14(5):6339-6347.
This study assessed filtration effectiveness of various mask materials. Although the filtration efficiencies for various fabrics when a single layer was used ranged from 5 to 80% and 5 to 95% for particle sizes of <300 nm and >300 nm, respectively, the efficiencies improved when multiple layers were used and when using a specific combination of different fabrics. Filtration efficiencies of the hybrids (such as cotton-silk, cotton-chiffon, cotton-flannel) was >80% (for particles <300 nm) and >90% (for particles >300 nm). Cotton, the most widely used material for cloth masks performs better at higher weave densities (i.e., thread count) and can make a significant difference in filtration efficiencies.

[not going to bother linking to all the URLS, but they can be easily had in the below linked PDF that this is copied from -RG]
------------------------------------------

https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/media/674/open

Luckily some expert put it all into a summary.

Masks work, and that seems pretty definitive to me. I would defer to the experts on this one.

I can't speak to wider issues of whether they are effective in the general population, because it seems there are enough shit-weasels who don't wear them and don't care to undermine mandates.

I can though, determine my individual actions based on my own sense of ethics and harm-reduction. What others do is not that relevant to what *I* should do in this case.

- "A piece of gauze proved worthless."

- 100 years ago

Nothing has changed. We'll herd this out just like we did 100 years ago, just like President Trump said we would two years ago come this coming January.

Let us proceed...

[RandomGuy]

Take it up with OSHA.

[article that says health-care workers should wear the most effective protection possible]

That doesn't counter what I said.

Nuances. You suck at them.

[TSA]

The effectiveness of face masks to prevent SARS CoV-2 transmission: A summary of the peer-review science.

Executive Summary: The peer-reviewed scientific evidence for the protective effect of face masks and respiratory virus infection in healthcare and community settings is overwhelming. The following studies, all published in 2020, focus on the usefulness of wearing facemasks during the COVID-19 pandemic. Nearly all these studies conclude that, outside of the healthcare setting, wearing a face mask reduces one’s risk of being exposed to SARS CoV2 virus, and transmitting the virus to others, if infected. Controlled experiments similarly showed that mask wearing reduced the amount of exposure to virus particles. Importantly, countries, states and jurisdictions that imposed mask wearing mandates and encouraged adherence were generally associated with lower disease transmission and overall decreases in disease trends. Despite political controversies surrounding mask wearing, the published scientific evidence strongly supports mask wearing, coupled with hand hygiene and social distancing to reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission in the community.

Reviews and Meta-analyses:

Chu et al. Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis. Lancet (2020).
The authors identified 172 observational coronavirus studies across 16 countries; 38 of these studies specifically studied face masks and the risk of COVID-19 illness. The authors found that the use of either an N95 respirator or face mask (e.g., disposable surgical masks or similar reusable 12–16-layer cotton masks) by those exposed to infected individuals was associated with a large reduction in risk of infection (up to an 85% reduced risk). The use of face masks was protective for both health-care workers and people in the community exposed to infection.

MacIntyre et al. A rapid systematic review of the efficacy of face masks and respirators against coronaviruses and other respiratory transmissible viruses for the community, healthcare workers and sick patients. International Journal of Nursing Studies (2020).
The authors describe 8 clinical trials evaluating the effectiveness of face masks to reduce respiratory viruses and SARS CoV2 transmission. Their analysis suggests that community mask use by well people could be beneficial, particularly for COVID-19, where transmission may be pre-symptomatic. The studies of masks as source control (where sick persons use masks to reduce spread) also suggest a benefit and may be important during the COVID-19 pandemic in both community and health care settings.

Wang J, Pan L, Tang S, Ji JS, Shi X. Mask use during COVID-19: A risk adjusted strategy. Environ Pollut. (2020). 266(Pt 1):115099.
Prior to COVID-19, the authors highlight a large systematic review from 67 studies that showed that wearing masks is one of the important barriers to controlling respiratory viruses transmission; and evidences indicates that N95 respirators were similarly effective to surgical masks (Jefferson et al., 2011). Additionally, the authors summarized that the main transmission routes of SARS-
CoV-2 include droplet, contact transmissions, and airborne transmissions, which is characterized by high proportion of cases with mild symptom or asymptomatic cases, and the necessity of wearing masks by the public during COVID-19 pandemic has been under-emphasized.

Brainard et al. Facemasks and similar barriers to prevent respiratory illness such as COVID-19: A rapid systematic review. medRxiv (2020).
The authors reviewed 31 clinical trials and observational studies to better understand the value of wearing facemasks in community settings to prevent respiratory illness. The authors report that when both housemates and an infected household member wore facemasks the likelihood of additional household members becoming ill may be modestly reduced by around 19%. The authors go on to conclude that, based on clinical trials, wearing facemasks can be slightly protective against primary infection from casual community contact, and modestly protective against household infections when both infected and uninfected members wear facemasks.

Gandhi et al. Masks Do More Than Protect Others During COVID-19: Reducing the Inoculum of SARS-CoV-2 to Protect the Wearer. J Gen Intern Med (2020);1-4.
The authors suggest that although universal public masking can certainly protect others, the “inoculum” theory (the amount of virus particles one could be exposed to) argues for a major protective effect for the individual. Masks, depending on the material and design, filter out a majority of viral particles and decrease the overall ‘dose’ of virus particles one could be exposed to. This perspective commentary puts forth another advantage of population-level facial masking for pandemic control with SARS-CoV-2 based on an old but enduring theory regarding viral inoculum.
Howard et al. Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review. Proceedings National Academy Sciences (2020).
This review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use to reduce community transmission: masks use materials that obstruct droplets of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period post-infection masks have been effective in reducing transmission of influenza; non-medical masks have been shown to be effective at blocking transmission of coronavirus; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission. The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of non-medical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures could successfully reduce effective-R to below 1.0, thereby stopping community spread.

Matuschek et al. Face masks: benefits and risks during the COVID-19 crisis. Eur J Med Res. 2020 Aug 12;25(1):32.
In this review of the available literature, the authors found that the use of masks that include mouth and nose covering were linked to relevant protection during close contact scenarios by limiting pathogen-containing aerosol and liquid droplet dissemination. Wearing a mask in areas where sufficient distance is not feasible, such as public transportation, most likely reduces the spread of virus-loaded droplets and therefore the risk of transferring SARS-CoV-2. However, the authors note that if masks are not exchanged regularly (or washed properly when made of cloth), pathogens can accumulate in the mask. When improperly used, the risk of spreading the pathogen—including SARS-CoV-2—might be critically increased.

Epidemiologic Studies:
Stutt et al. A modelling framework to assess the likely effectiveness of facemasks in combination with ‘lock-down’ in managing the COVID-19 pandemic. Proc. R. Soc.
The authors use two complementary mathematical modelling approaches to test the effectiveness of facemask wearing by sections of the population in reducing the transmission rate of SARS-Cov-2. Their models show that, when facemasks are used by the public all the time (not just from when symptoms first appear), the effective reproduction number can be decreased below 1, leading to the overall reduction of disease spread.

Mitze et al. Face Masks Considerably Reduce COVID-19 Cases in Germany: A Synthetic Control Method Approach. Institute of Labor Economics (2020).
The authors assessed the impact of mandatory face mask policies in Germany on national case counts reported to federal health authorities. Depending on the region they analyzed, the authors found that face masks reduced the cumulative number of reported COVID-19 cases between 2.3% and 13% over a period of 10 days after they became compulsory. The authors go on to conclude that the introduction of face masks on 6 April reduced the number of new infections over the next 20 days by almost 25%.

Rader B et al. Mask Wearing and Control of SARS-CoV-2 Transmission in the United States. medRxiv (2020).
The authors conducted cross-sectional surveys and used a multivariate logistic model to predict community transmission using state- and week-specific estimates for mask wearing. The authors, controlling for social distancing and other variables, found that a 10% increase in mask wearing was associated with a 3.5-fold increased likelihood of controlling disease transmission. Specifically, communities with high mask wearing adherence and social distancing have the highest predicted probability of a controlled epidemic.

Zhang et al. Identifying airborne transmission as the dominant route for the spread of COVID-19. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (2020), 117 (26) 14857-4863.
The authors quantified the impact of face coverings by projecting the number of new infections based on the data prior to implementing the use of face masks in Italy on April 6 and NYC on April 17. Their analysis indicated that face coverings reduced the number of infections by over 75,000 in Italy from April 6 to May 9 and by over 66,000 in NYC from April 17 to May 9. The authors concluded that wearing of face masks in public corresponds to the most effective means to prevent interhuman transmission, and this inexpensive practice, in conjunction with extensive testing, quarantine, and contact tracing, poses the most probable opportunity to stop the COVID-19 pandemic, prior to the development of a vaccine.

Wang et al. Reduction of secondary transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in households by face mask use, disinfection and social distancing: a cohort study in Beijing, China. BMJ Glob Health (2020).
In this retrospective cohort study, the authors analyzed factors that prevented secondary transmission of COVID-19 among household contacts. The authors found that face mask use by the primary case and family contacts before the primary case developed symptoms was 79% effective in reducing secondary transmission.

Doung-ngern et al. Case-control study of use of personal protective measures and risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection, Thailand. Emerg Infect Dis (2020).
In this case-control study in Thailand of 211 cases and 839 controls, the authors found that wearing masks all the time during contact was independently associated with a 77% reduced risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection compared with not wearing masks. The authors also found the type of mask worn was not independently associated with infection.

Wilson et al. Factors Influencing Risk for COVID-19 Exposure Among Young Adults Aged 18–23 Years — Winnebago County, Wisconsin, March–July 2020. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep (2020); 69:1497–1502.
During an outbreak of COVID-19 among young adults in Wisconsin, the authors conducted 30 key informant interviews. Most interviewees reported exposure to misinformation, conflicting messages, or opposing views about the need for and effectiveness of masks. The authors concluded that exposure to misinformation and unclear messages may have been a driver of the outbreak, underscoring the importance of providing clear and consistent messages about the need for and effectiveness of masks.

Leffler et al. Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks. medRxiv (2020).
The authors analyzed differences between countries to determine sources of variation in per-capita mortality from COVID-19. In countries with cultural norms or government policies supporting public mask-wearing, per-capita coronavirus mortality increased on average by just 15.8% each week, as compared with 62.1% each week in remaining countries. The authors concluded that societal norms and government policies supporting the wearing of masks by the public, as well as international travel controls, are independently associated with lower per-capita mortality from COVID-19.

Lyu et al. Community Use of Face Masks And COVID-19: Evidence From A Natural Experiment Of State Mandates In The US. Health Affairs (2020).
This study, similar to Leffler et al, compares government mandates for face mask use in public issued by fifteen states during April 8 and May 15, 2020. The authors concluded that mandating face mask use in public was associated with a decline in the daily COVID-19 growth rate by 0.9, 1.1, 1.4, 1.7, and 2.0 percentage points in 1–5, 6–10, 11–15, 16–20, and 21 or more days after state face mask orders were signed, respectively. Estimates suggest that as a result of the implementation of these mandates, more than 200,000 COVID-19 cases were averted by May 22, 2020. The findings suggested that requiring face mask use in public could help in mitigating the spread of COVID-19.

Eikenberry et al. To mask or not to mask: Modeling the potential for face mask use by the general public to curtail the COVID-19 pandemic. Infect Dis Model (2020);5:293-308.
The authors use a mathematical model to simulate the impact of universal mask wearing. Hypothetical mask adoption scenarios, for Washington and New York state, suggest that immediate near universal (80%) adoption of moderately (50%) effective masks could prevent on the order of 17-45% of projected deaths over two months in New York, while decreasing the peak daily death rate by 34-58%, absent other changes in epidemic dynamics. In Washington, where baseline transmission is much less intense, 80% adoption of such masks could reduce mortality by 24–65% (and peak deaths 15–69%), compared to 2–9% mortality reduction in New York (peak death reduction 9–18%).

Controlled Experiments:
Ma QX, Shan H, Zhang HL, Li GM, Yang RM, Chen JM. Potential utilities of mask-wearing and instant hand hygiene for fighting SARS-CoV-2. J Med Virol (2020).
In this study, the efficacy of three types of masks were evaluated using the avian influenza virus to simulate the coronavirus. N95 masks, medical masks, and homemade masks made of four‐layer kitchen paper and one‐layer cloth could block 99.98%, 97.14%, and 95.15% of the virus in aerosols. With these data, the authors propose the approach of mask‐wearing to slow the exponential spread of the virus.

Leung, N.H.L., Chu, D.K.W., Shiu, E.Y.C. et al. Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks. Nat Med 26, 676–680 (2020).
The authors tested viral shedding (in terms of viral copies per sample) in nasal swabs, throat swabs, respiratory droplet samples and aerosol samples and compared the latter two between samples collected with or without a face mask. The study demonstrated the efficacy of surgical masks to reduce coronavirus detection and viral copies in large respiratory droplets and in aerosols.

Fischer et al. Low-cost measurement of face mask efficacy for filtering expelled droplets during speech. Science Advances (2020).
The authors demonstrated a simple optical measurement to evaluate the efficacy of masks to reduce the transmission of respiratory droplets during regular speech. In their proof-of-concept study, they compared a variety of commonly available mask types and observed that some mask types such as clothe masks approach the performance of standard surgical masks, while some mask alternatives, such as neck gaiters or bandanas, offer very little protection.

Bae et al. Effectiveness of Surgical and Cotton Masks in Blocking SARS–CoV-2: A Controlled Comparison in 4 Patients. Annal of Internal Medicine (2020).
In this study of only 4 patients, the authors compared disposable surgical masks with reusable 100% cotton masks to filter SARS CoV-2. Neither surgical nor cotton masks effectively filtered SARS–CoV-2 during coughs by infected patients.

Konda A, Prakash A, Moss GA, Schmoldt M, Grant GD, Guha S. Aerosol Filtration Efficiency of Common Fabrics Used in Respiratory Cloth Masks. ACS Nano (2020)14(5):6339-6347.
This study assessed filtration effectiveness of various mask materials. Although the filtration efficiencies for various fabrics when a single layer was used ranged from 5 to 80% and 5 to 95% for particle sizes of <300 nm and >300 nm, respectively, the efficiencies improved when multiple layers were used and when using a specific combination of different fabrics. Filtration efficiencies of the hybrids (such as cotton-silk, cotton-chiffon, cotton-flannel) was >80% (for particles <300 nm) and >90% (for particles >300 nm). Cotton, the most widely used material for cloth masks performs better at higher weave densities (i.e., thread count) and can make a significant difference in filtration efficiencies.

[not going to bother linking to all the URLS, but they can be easily had in the below linked PDF that this is copied from -RG]
------------------------------------------

https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/media/674/open

Luckily some expert put it all into a summary.

Masks work, and that seems pretty definitive to me. I would defer to the experts on this one.

I can't speak to wider issues of whether they are effective in the general population, because it seems there are enough shit-weasels who don't wear them and don't care to undermine mandates.

I can though, determine my individual actions based on my own sense of ethics and harm-reduction. What others do is not that relevant to what *I* should do in this case.

How many of those are RCT's as that is what I asked for.

[RandomGuy]

How many of those are RCT's as that is what I asked for.

RCT?

(edit, after googling abbreviation)

Randomized Controlled Trials
Search domain ncbi.nlm.nih.govhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3196997/
In clinical research, randomized controlled trials (RCTs) are the best way to study the safety and efficacy of new treatments. RCTs are used to answer patient-related questions and are required by governmental regulatory bodies as the basis for approval decisions.

Seems like there are a few. I didn't skim all the studies to see. I have enough information to draw a reasonable conclusion at this point, so really don't see the need to waste my time picking nits in something I am not an expert in.

Not interested enough to dig into it. You are welcome to do so.

[Thread]

RCT?

(edit, after googling abbreviation)


Seems like there are a few. I didn't skim all the studies to see. I have enough information to draw a reasonable conclusion at this point, so really don't see the need to waste my time picking nits in something I am not an expert in.

Not interested enough to dig into it. You are welcome to do so.

RG is such a woman type.

[Trill Clinton]

I hope ya'll are stocking up on toilet paper and water. Another shutdown is on the way.

[ChumpDumper]

I hope ya'll are stocking up on toilet paper and water. Another shutdown is on the way.No chance in hell.

[pgardn]

OSHA requires healthcare workers who are expected to perform patient activities with those suspected or confirmed to be infected with COVID-19 to wear respiratory protection, such as an N95 respirator. N95 respirator refers to an N95 filtering facepiece respirator (FFR) that seals to the face and uses a filter to remove at least 95% of airborne particles from the user’s breathing air. NIOSH also approves other FFRs that are as, or more, protective as the N95, including the N99, N100, P95, P100, R95, and R100. It is important to note that surgical masks, sometimes referred to as facemasks, are different than respirators and are not designed nor approved to provide protection against airborne particles. Surgical masks are designed to provide barrier protection against droplets, however they are not regulated for particulate filtration efficiency and they do not form an adequate seal to the wearer’s face to be relied upon for respiratory protection. Without an adequate seal, air and small particles leak around the edges of the respirator and into the wearer’s breathing zone.

https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2020/03/16/n95-preparedness/

Here is where you'll pretend you were talking about properly fitted N95 respirators the entire time :lol

sorry bud

you can put down all the required as you want but I know people who go into those rooms in 95s and that’s it. call oceanOSHA on them
You walk into Bexar County ( University in name) right now and take a count. Go do it. Then report to OSHA

[Blake]

I hope ya'll are stocking up on toilet paper and water. Another shutdown is on the way.

Yeah I'm not seeing that happen at this point. We'll probably start wearing masks again tho

[pgardn]

Great.
They say uncertain. OBSERVATIONAL evidence. But the correlation is absolutely spot on with what I have stated and what other epidemiologist CONTINUE to say.
The increases you see have been correlated with mask wearing from your other graphs when it is running rampant through unvaccinated. Also pure BS. Put the implementation of masks before the variant and forget about the rest of the picture.
So because we have a more infectious strain which clearly is why we get the uptick, masks dont WORK. Take ridiculously specious uncontrolled numbers and just plot only two things, implementation of masks, and cases.

Yeah this is huge news with the following:
AT least they are honest in one article (a weak study) unlike you.
Yes, so clearly masks dont work... Bullshit.

Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.

Yeah masks dont work.

TSA does not even read his own shit and the points that don’t fit his bias.

[TSA]

sorry bud

you can put down all the required as you want but I know people who go into those rooms in 95s and that’s it. call oceanOSHA on them
You walk into Bexar County ( University in name) right now and take a count. Go do it. Then report to OSHA

You make no sense. N95’s are approved by OSHA.

[boutons_deux]

Over 65% of Texans support vaccine mandates

https://www.expressnews.com/politics/texas/article/Over-65-of-Texans-support-vaccine-mandates-poll-16357459.php

[boutons_deux]

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[baseline bum]

Yeah I'm not seeing that happen at this point. We'll probably start wearing masks again tho

No we won't. We're already at 100,000 cases a day and no one gives a shit. With no mitigation efforts I wonder if this will even be a wave or just burn through the entire population.

[boutons_deux]

Lambda variant shows vaccine resistance - study

The researchers warn that with Lambda being labeled a "Variant of Interest" by the WHO,

rather than a "Variant of Concern," people might not realize it is a serious ongoing threat.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/lambda-variant-shows-vaccine-resistance-study-675674

[DarrinS]

You're all going to get infected.

Good night.

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2021/08/02/you_are_probably_going_to_be_infected_with_the_cor onavirus_788009.html

[RandomGuy]

No we won't. We're already at 100,000 cases a day and no one gives a shit. With no mitigation efforts I wonder if this will even be a wave or just burn through the entire population.

Wait until the first large area hits ICU capacity. That was always the danger, because you get knock-on deaths as people can't find an ER bed when they need one.

Much less of a danger now with most vaccinated, but there are still enough dumbasses out there.

Hopefully a lot of them die while trying to get medical attention. At this point we need as many of these dumbasses dead as possible, because that happening is the only thing that will, once again, prove to people why we fucking have vaccines.

Seem to remember seeing something that Austin has like 15 free ICU beds at the moment. smh

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2021/08/02/you_are_probably_going_to_be_infected_with_the_cor onavirus_788009.htmlWhat's your point in repeating this daily, Darrin?

[ChumpDumper]

Wait until the first large area hits ICU capacity. That was always the danger, because you get knock-on deaths as people can't find an ER bed when they need one.

Much less of a danger now with most vaccinated, but there are still enough dumbasses out there.

Hopefully a lot of them die while trying to get medical attention. At this point we need as many of these dumbasses dead as possible, because that happening is the only thing that will, once again, prove to people why we fucking have vaccines.

Seem to remember seeing something that Austin has like 15 free ICU beds at the moment. smhOh the days of double digit ICU availability....

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And to use Darrin's retarded metric, I don't know any of these people in our ICUs.

[SnakeBoy]

Lambda variant shows vaccine resistance - study

The researchers warn that with Lambda being labeled a "Variant of Interest" by the WHO,

rather than a "Variant of Concern," people might not realize it is a serious ongoing threat.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/lambda-variant-shows-vaccine-resistance-study-675674

Yeah Lamba has greater antibody escape than Delta. Gaining ground in Latin America.

Should start displacing Delta in the USA during the coming winter "wave". It'll probably produce more symptomatic disease in vaccinated people who have managed to avoid a natural infection Delta boost.

[hater]

These Florida numbers aren't good enough.

Everything is fine here. Just went to the Daytona raceway tour. Almost noone wearing a mask. Were vaxed and wearing kn95. Were fine :tu

[hater]

I hope ya'll are stocking up on toilet paper and water. Another shutdown is on the way.

Thats ship has sailed. We getting mass immunity via vax or disease. All of us.

[RandomGuy]

Oh the days of double digit ICU availability....

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And to use Darrin's retarded metric, I don't know any of these people in our ICUs.

Austin is approaching the peak it set in the 2nd wave in terms of hospital utilization.

Houston, San Antonio, and Dallas have nearly vertical utilization graphs, and look to be following suit, especially as I am sure patients from Austin are being shunted to those cities that have capacity.

Looks like we are going to need more refrigerated trailers parked in front of morgues.

[RandomGuy]

No we won't. We're already at 100,000 cases a day and no one gives a shit. With no mitigation efforts I wonder if this will even be a wave or just burn through the entire population.

https://covid-19.tacc.utexas.edu/dashboards/texas/

You can check out various cities, as well as Texas as a whole.

The uptick in hospitalizations is approaching a vertical line.

Welcome to the test-tube.

Fascists running the state didn't care when hundreds died from the cold, I wonder how they will handle pictures of dead people stacked up in hospital hallways.

[RandomGuy]

How many of those are RCT's as that is what I asked for.

Also... it doesn't really matter.

Masks work.

That is enough.

[SnakeBoy]

https://covid-19.tacc.utexas.edu/dashboards/texas/

You can check out various cities, as well as Texas as a whole.

The uptick in hospitalizations is approaching a vertical line.

Welcome to the test-tube.

Fascists running the state didn't care when hundreds died from the cold, I wonder how they will handle pictures of dead people stacked up in hospital hallways.

Failing Joe Biden should do something

[Blake]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p526x296/115768655_10160258263432228_6958682009710239603_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Z8OCjLHawqcAX9GprlG&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=7756c4aa5314cd1cdd4589c0567cd06f&oe=612F4662

I remember some people screeching about seatbelts.

[Winehole23]

no duh

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[Winehole23]

good luck kids, hope your parents got vaxxed.

~40,000 children in the US have lost a parent to COVID so far.

"back to school" in the teeth of the 5th wave of COVID is homicidal stupidity, but even short of hastening children and their families to early graves, suffering and disability will be widespread.



"Children need to be in school," said Julie Swann, a health systems engineer at North Carolina State University. "Those of us who have experienced last year, we know it."


Swann recently published a report that found that without masking in schools, an additional 70% of children could be infected with the coronavirus within three months. Her research also shows that even if masking is required in all schools, she still expects 40% of elementary school students to be infected within three months.
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2021/aug/01/variants-threat-poses-dilemma-for-us-parents/?latest

[pgardn]

You make no sense. N95’s are approved by OSHA.

You posted a lot more requirements than a mere mask.
Dont give me this shit... You make no sense, dont pretend to be stone-like ignorant of your own posts.
Hell you dont even read them, I should know this.

[boutons_deux]

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[pgardn]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p526x296/232227336_4190257861020492_2817995088284765035_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=JDebD7YayOsAX8LUPD8&tn=tsg3mnfBspo45GOE&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=0869f504780ecfb8fec6301665791c6b&oe=612E165E


Ahh the meat packers.
Treat em like dogs.

[Winehole23]

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[hater]

I have my doubts schools in northwest will start in person tbqh


I would wager they start virtual through next year. Especially elementary. Maybe middle, high

[2centsworth]

The numbers frequently cited don't communicate how infectious and deadly this virus is.

For instance, less than 10% of the world population has contracted COVID, so we could falsely say there's a greater than a 90% chance you won't get COVID. The numbers are similar in the states, as less than .002% of the population has died from COVID, 99.983% have survived. We all know those numbers ignore exposure. Those numbers would be much greater if everyone was exposed. This goes the same for the 125,000 breakthrough cases. It's misleading to say 99.99% of vaccinated people won't catch COVID because of the relatively small number of breakthrough cases at this point. Again, it ignores exposure, and I can attest that after my wife and brother contracted COVID after being fully vaccinated, the symptoms are much worse than some would like to believe.

Not sure where we are headed with seemingly never ending and worsening mutations, but I'm fully vaccinated and didn't contract it from my wife, so the vaccine is working at least a little bit. An Israeli study showed Pfizer at about 66% efficacy against infection. I think that's about right, as my brother contracted the virus at a conference where about a 1/3 got infected and everyone was vaccinated. No one died, one was hospitalized, and I know of one other who said he felt like he was going to die.

[DarrinS]

I'm trying to get delta. Need a free boost.

[hater]

The numbers frequently cited don't communicate how infectious and deadly this virus is.

For instance, less than 10% of the world population has contracted COVID, so we could falsely say there's a greater than a 90% chance you won't get COVID. The numbers are similar in the states, as less than .002% of the population has died from COVID, 99.983% have survived. We all know those numbers ignore exposure. Those numbers would be much greater if everyone was exposed. This goes the same for the 125,000 breakthrough cases. It's misleading to say 99.99% of vaccinated people won't catch COVID because of the relatively small number of breakthrough cases at this point. Again, it ignores exposure, and I can attest that after my wife and brother contracted COVID after being fully vaccinated, the symptoms are much worse than some would like to believe.

Not sure where we are headed with seemingly never ending and worsening mutations, but I'm fully vaccinated and didn't contract it from my wife, so the vaccine is working at least a little bit. An Israeli study showed Pfizer at about 66% efficacy against infection. I think that's about right, as my brother contracted the virus at a conference where about a 1/3 got infected and everyone was vaccinated. No one died, one was hospitalized, and I know of one other who said he felt like he was going to die.

60% vaxed protection sounds about right tbqh

We all gonna get it by end of this year. Remember you have 40% to catch it every single day from today on.

[hater]

I'm trying to get delta. Need a free boost.

This should be easy. 40% everyday just go maskless to bars, etc everyday.

Just hope that you dont have a hidden disease like cancer cause Covid will let you know the news in a big way.

[Winehole23]

*makes the sign of the cross*

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[ChumpDumper]

I'm trying to get delta. Need a free boost.Try not being a cunt.

[Winehole23]

Asa Hutchinson shuns COVID countermeasures, wants to toss the hot potato back to the local level.

Fucking coward.

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[2centsworth]

60% vaxed protection sounds about right tbqh

We all gonna get it by end of this year. Remember you have 40% to catch it every single day from today on.

I don't think it works that way. hahaha

[ElNono]

You keep saying we see this correlation in the statistics and yet you continue avoid posting anything backing up your claims. You were just given countries with the highest mask compliance rates in the world and...no comment. :lol

Capitalizing something doesn't prove anything. You need to start providing all of these statistics you keep clamoring about, and while you are digging those up find me an RCT as well.

I'll start with an RCT

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/m20-6817

I don't think the conclusions say what you think they do.

Yet, the findings were inconclusive and cannot definitively exclude a 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection of mask wearers in such a setting. It is important to emphasize that this trial did not address the effects of masks as source control or as protection in settings where social distancing and other public health measures are not in effect.

[ElNono]

Hospital workers aren't wearing the same masks that the majority of the general public are.

Yet, the same study you just posted above includes this nugget:

A published meta-analysis found no statistically significant difference in preventing influenza in health care workers between respirators (N95 [American standard] or FFP2 [European standard]) and surgical face masks

Cited study here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jebm.12381

[ElNono]

Still waiting for you to post an RCT showing how well masks work.

Here's a beakdown of that study by actual doctors, along with links to multiple published studies and models.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-paper-using-an-rct-to-assess-mask-use-as-a-public-health-measure-to-help-control-sars-cov-2-spread-danmask-19/

There's no criticism on carrying out the study itself, it's simply not conclusive.

Hopefully you take the time to read it, and helps dispel the myth that mask mandates are not based on science or that masks don't work.

[ElNono]

UAE approves use of China’s Sinopharm vaccine for children aged 3 and over

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3143534/uae-approves-use-chinas-sinopharm-vaccine-children-aged-3-and

[Thread]

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Ahh the meat packers.
Treat em like dogs.

Mother fucker Biden strikes again.

[hater]

I don't think it works that way. hahaha

It does. If you go about your live and theres 20%+ positivity out there. Youre bound to meet Delta on a daily basis

[hater]

Israel reaching the peak. Mostly vaxed.yet they have hundreds hospitalized

The Ministry of Health reported 3,151 new coronavirus cases on Monday, of whom 217 were seriously ill in hospital and 48 in serious condition on ventilators. The tightening of restrictions is strongly advised by the ministry and the government’s health advisers ahead of the coronavirus cabinet meeting on Tuesday.

They include expanding the “Green Pass” obligation for all closed venues, applying tests to unvaccinated children, mandatory masks in the open air as well as indoors and quarantine for all arrivals from overseas. PM Naftali Bennett again ruled out new lockdowns. He argued that the damage to the economy would run to hundreds of millions of shekels and throw the budget – that was approved with difficulty by the ministers on Monday – out of kilter.



We will probably reach our peak in september. Righg when schools start.:lol

My probability that schools will.start on time in NE went down to 40%

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The reports from hospital officials of all the non vaccinateds filling the hospital beds :wow :toast

Mulling it over more, prob better that their credit and financial livelihood gets ruined than them dying.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The reports from hospital officials of all the non vaccinateds filling the hospital beds :wow :toast

Mulling it over more, prob better that their credit and financial livelihood gets ruined than them dying.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The reports from hospital officials of all the non vaccinateds filling the hospital beds :wow :toast

Mulling it over more, prob better that their credit and financial livelihood gets ruined than them dying.

[RandomGuy]

Failing Joe Biden should do something

Like encourage people to get vaccinated and publicly saying that vaccinations are a good thing.

I really wish he would do that.

[lefty]

mask up, y'all

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:cry but muh freedom

[RandomGuy]

The reports from hospital officials of all the non vaccinateds filling the hospital beds :wow :toast

Mulling it over more, prob better that their credit and financial livelihood gets ruined than them dying.
True that.

A larger proportion of them tend to be Trump voters, so the ones that die won't be voting, and the ones that live will be too broke to contribute money in the next election cycle.

[Winehole23]

one year into a pandemic that shows no sign of abating, the US is still incapable of doing anything like this:


China’s Wuhan to test ‘all residents’ as COVID-19 returns (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/3/chinas-wuhan-to-test-all-residents-as-covid-returns)City where COVID-19 first emerged in late 2019 reported at least seven locally transmitted cases among migrant workers. (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/3/chinas-wuhan-to-test-all-residents-as-covid-returns)

[DarrinS]

The reports from hospital officials of all the non vaccinateds filling the hospital beds :wow :toast

Mulling it over more, prob better that their credit and financial livelihood gets ruined than them dying.


In Texas’ largest counties — Harris, Dallas, Tarrant, Bexar and Travis — neighborhoods with the highest proportions of Black and Hispanic populations are some of the least vaccinated areas.

[Winehole23]

China is spooked.

If an authoritarian country like China can't contain outbreaks of Delta no one can.


State media have trumpeted China’s zero-case approach to Covid control but shutting out the Delta strain is proving a taller order. The disease’s spread is also raising questions about the efficacy of locally made vaccines against Delta in particular.


Nanjing, the capital of the eastern Jiangsu province, is believed to be ground zero of the current nationwide flare-up. The city’s airport workers, most of whom were fully vaccinated, reportedly first contracted the Delta strain from arrivals from Moscow on July 10, before passing it to transit passengers who spread it to their destinations across China.


At least 52 communities and residential quarters in Nanjing and its neighboring cities like Yangzhou have been red-flagged (https://3g.163.com/news/article/GGDK4QC904099C6A.html) by the NHC as high or medium-risk areas to be locked down. Anyone leaving these areas will face 14-21 days of compulsory quarantine and criminal charges. Three rounds of city-wide testing in Nanjing yielded 204 cases as of August 1.



Yang Xiaoming, the president of CNBG, a subsidiary of the state-owned Sinopharm that supplies Covid vaccines, told state media over the weekend that his company’s shots would still work and would have a certain “effect” to neutralize new variants. Yet he also revealed that new jabs would be developed quickly to better deal with the Delta strain.


Yang did not respond to reports that Constantino Chiwenga, the vice president of Zimbabwe who was in charge of public health and had been fully vaccinated with Sinopharm shots donated by Beijing, tested positive after landing in the Chinese capital at the end of July.
Beijing is still pressing ahead with its plan to expand vaccination to all healthy teenagers before the start of the academic year in September.
https://asiatimes.com/2021/08/delta-puts-china-on-brink-of-a-new-covid-crisis/

[DarrinS]

China is spooked.

If an authoritarian country like China can't contain outbreaks of Delta no one can.



Uh, they didn't contain it.

[Winehole23]

In Texas’ largest counties — Harris, Dallas, Tarrant, Bexar and Travis — neighborhoods with the highest proportions of Black and Hispanic populations are some of the least vaccinated areas.doing a public service by hastening natural immunity, amirite?

[Winehole23]

Uh, they didn't contain it.it's understandable you'd feel insecure about our crappy public health system and our incompetent response to COVID.

[DarrinS]

it's understandable you'd feel insecure about our crappy public health system and our incompetent response to COVID.

If they contained it, there's no global pandemic.

[ChumpDumper]

In Texas’ largest counties — Harris, Dallas, Tarrant, Bexar and Travis — neighborhoods with the highest proportions of Black and Hispanic populations are some of the least vaccinated areas.

Sorry Darrin, white people are also unvaccinated. What's your excuse for them?

[DarrinS]

Sorry Darrin, white people are also unvaccinated. What's your excuse for them?

I didn't make excuses for anyone.

[Winehole23]

If they contained it, there's no global pandemic.I didn't claim they contained it. You're flailing as usual.

[boutons_deux]

Pfizer’s Covid-19 Vaccine Generated 10 Times More Antibodies Than China’s Sinovac Shot

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/07/16/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-generated-10-times-more-antibodies-than-chinas-sinovac-shot-hong-kong-study-shows

[Winehole23]

side effect: neofeudalism


Housing markets are hotter than ever (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/16/homes/us-housing-market-offers/index.html), and big money is getting in on the act.



Pension funds, investment firms and Wall Street banks are snapping up family homes in Europe and the United States at a rapid pace as prices rocket (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/13/business/global-real-estate-prices/index.html) higher, looking for alternatives to lockdown-hit office parks (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/25/business/office-space-remote-work-pandemic/index.html) and shopping malls (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/14/business/washington-prime-group-mall-bankruptcy/index.html), and betting that a permanent increase in remote working (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/09/success/remote-work-covid-pandemic-one-year-later/index.html) following the coronavirus pandemic will keep demand for suburban houses elevated (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/22/homes/existing-home-sales-june-feseries/index.html).


At the same time, the soaring cost of home ownership means that growing numbers of younger Americans and Brits renting rather than buying houses as they start families and gravitate toward the suburbs. Some of them may find their next landlord is based on Wall Street or in London's financial district.

Analysts argue that this will improve standards in the rental sector and offer more choice in desirable neighborhoods. But some tenants who rent from corporate landlords dispute this, alleging substandard services and excessive rent increases.https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/business/family-homes-wall-street/index.html

[boutons_deux]

side effect: neofeudalism

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/business/family-homes-wall-street/index.html

Capitalisms' endpoint is to privatize everything public, own everything to extract profits, to produce $Ts in passive income from a rentier society.

Another rentier strategy is the hyper-wealthy Capitalists "renting" money to everybody indebted, debt slavery, paying usurious interest.

Unstoppable

[ChumpDumper]

I didn't make excuses for anyone.

You certainly went out of your way to exclude them from your little tantrum.

Why?

[Winehole23]

Louisiana is already fucked

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[TSA]

Yet, the same study you just posted above includes this nugget:

A published meta-analysis found no statistically significant difference in preventing influenza in health care workers between respirators (N95 [American standard] or FFP2 [European standard]) and surgical face masks

Cited study here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jebm.12381

"However, the sensitivity analysis after excluding the trial by Loeb et al18 showed a significant effect of N95 respirators on preventing respiratory viral infections (RR = 0.61, 95% CI 0.39-0.98, P < .05)."

"Meta-analysis with fixed-effects model revealed that compared with surgical masks, N95 respirators significantly reduced bacterial colonization in hospitals (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78, P < .05)"

"However, the sensitivity analysis after excluding the trial by Radonovich et al12 showed a significant effect of N95 respirators on preventing respiratory infection (RR = 0.53, 95% CI 0.35-0.82, P < .05). "

"The results of subgroup analyses indicated that statistically significant superiority of N95 respirators over surgical masks against influenza like illness (RR = 0.37, 95% CI 0.20-0.71, P < .05) in the community (only one RCT)"

The reason for the similar effects on preventing influenza for the use of N95 respirators versus surgical masks may be related to low compliance to N95 respirators wear,23 which may lead to more frequent doffing compared with surgical masks.13 Although N95 respirators may confer superior protection in laboratory studies designing to achieve 100% intervention adherence,24 the routine use of N95 respirators seems to be less acceptable due to more significant discomfort in real-world practice.11 Therefore, the benefit of N95 respirators of fitting tightly to faces is offset or subjugated

[spurraider21]

as we know, deaths have consistently lagged cases. with the massive spikes in recent weeks, time will tell how deadly Delta actually is

[TSA]

Here's a beakdown of that study by actual doctors, along with links to multiple published studies and models.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-paper-using-an-rct-to-assess-mask-use-as-a-public-health-measure-to-help-control-sars-cov-2-spread-danmask-19/

There's no criticism on carrying out the study itself, it's simply not conclusive.

Hopefully you take the time to read it, and helps dispel the myth that mask mandates are not based on science or that masks don't work.

Yesterday on CNN Biden's own Covid advisor Osterholm said the masks the general public are wearing don't work against Covid :lol

If everyone was wearing properly fitted N95's I'd agree with you that masks work.

[ChumpDumper]

as we know, deaths have consistently lagged cases. with the massive spikes in recent weeks, time will tell how deadly Delta actually isThe deaths should be a lot lower than before because of the vaccines. Looks like that's what happened in the UK.

[ChumpDumper]

A year and a half in and TSA still thinks general mask use is to protect the wearer from individual virus particles.:rollin

[boutons_deux]

so N95 masking IS effective, except they are removed.

[Ef-man]

Yesterday on CNN Biden's own Covid advisor Osterholm said the masks the general public are wearing don't work against Covid :lol

If everyone was wearing properly fitted N95's I'd agree with you that masks work.

You left out the part where he says: these comments are now being mischaracterized and are not being discussed in their full context, namely that he doesn't want people wearing face masks to feel they're invulnerable to the virus, and as such don't follow more effective ways of limiting transmission of the virus, such as social distancing.

[Ef-man]

...

[TSA]

You left out the part where he says: these comments are now being mischaracterized and are not being discussed in their full context, namely that he doesn't want people wearing face masks to feel they're invulnerable to the virus, and as such don't follow more effective ways of limiting transmission of the virus, such as social distancing.

I've already said here one of my problems with masks is the false sense of security they give people. People who are sick are going out with a mask on when they should be staying home and people who are healthy are getting sick because they think a mask is keeping them safe and they are stupidly crowding in indoor areas where transmission is high.

[boutons_deux]

Doctors Worry That Memory Problems After COVID-19

May Set The Stage For Alzheimer's

What scientists have found so far is concerning.

For example, PET scans taken before and after a person develops COVID-19 suggest that the infection can cause changes that overlap those seen in Alzheimer's.

And genetic studies are finding that some of the same genes that increase a person's risk for getting severe COVID-19 also increase the risk of developing Alzheimer's.

Alzheimer's diagnoses also appear to be more common in patients in their 60s and 70s who have had severe COVID-19,

"Persistent lack of smell, it's associated with brain changes not just in the olfactory bulb but those places that are connected one way or another to the smell sense," he says.

Those places include areas involved in memory, thinking, planning and mood.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/07/26/1019875347/doctors-worry-that-memory-problems-after-covid-19-may-set-stage-for-alzheimers

Thanks, Trash, you motherfucking piece of toxic degenerate shit

[TSA]

About the surge in pediatric covid cases....

https://twitter.com/contrarian4data/status/1422423868904329216

Informative thread.

[Winehole23]

tl;dl

the contemporaneous outbreaks of RSV, Croup, etc. are making things worse for hospitals right now.

[ChumpDumper]

Man that guy is really proud of his resume but not his name.:tu

Get vaccinated if you haven't already had COVID. Distance. Wear a mask when shit gets closer. Wash your fucking hands.

Why is everyone trying to make this so difficult?

[Winehole23]

Dems put pandemic preparedness on the chopping block

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[LaMarcus Bryant]

In Texas’ largest counties — Harris, Dallas, Tarrant, Bexar and Travis — neighborhoods with the highest proportions of Black and Hispanic populations are some of the least vaccinated areas.

In urban areas at this point, they are likely the coconut minorities trying to be white that vote maga for status, so screw them. Darwin.

[TSA]

tl;dl

the contemporaneous outbreaks of RSV, Croup, etc. are making things worse for hospitals right now.

RSV and Croup aren't supposed to be spiking in the summer. We are seeing RSV and Croup outbreaks because kids have been isolated for the the past 18 months and schools/day cares have been shut down. Yet here we are again with people calling for more schools/day cares to be shut down.

[ChumpDumper]

Nothing is shutting down, Gladys.

Infect your family ASAP so we don't have to read this anymore.

[pgardn]

I've already said here one of my problems with masks is the false sense of security they give people. People who are sick are going out with a mask on when they should be staying home and people who are healthy are getting sick because they think a mask is keeping them safe and they are stupidly crowding in indoor areas where transmission is high.

NO you stated masks DONT work. why would you even mention a false sense of security when it is clear to YOU, they dont even work? There is only ONE problem in your mind. Masks DONT work. Period.

If the first administration had not lied and mischaracterized so much about this virus, and then actually tried to hide info from the public we would not be in this mess. And never actually explainng science works with the varying degrees of reliable evidence and that public health decisions MUST be changed as events change was absolutely contrary to everything written on how to address the public. Accurate descriptions of mechanisms and probability NEVER addressed. so after 2 years of this shit, it was not surprising we are making decisions like a 3rd world nation. Blame it on Fauci... ohh my he changed his suggestions, he LIED. B fkn S. He did what he was supposed to do. NOt, "Bring in Jared, he can get a team, he knows this virus" The ding dongs we first had to get a response together was absolutely appalling. Fauci arrives, blame him, the exact Trump tactic used on so many in his own party. But when we have a fkn pandemic...? Other worldly irresponsibility.

It will all eventually come out. Once we reach some sort of equilibrium, history will show exactly what NOT to do using Trump decisions. But of course people like hater will completely forget and or dismiss what the first 6 months of this was portrayed as. "It will disappear" on and on... misinformation, confusion, lets just play with this lying stuff, its fun.

And how many times has the public been informed on how this virus is transmitted through the air. You have derp copying twitter users that explain that a viral particle is many many times smaller than the N95 filters and can easily get through...
WITHOUT a word about the size of the droplets and the millions of viral particles in that droplet it takes to cause an infection. And of course no mention on how the droplets are absolutely larger than the mesh in the N95s. And then of course nothing about the user having a reduced ability to transmit virus while wearing a mask is almost NEVER thought of.

"Lets not try to plug up as much of the leak in the damn as we can, because we cant put exact numbers on the altered flow rate. The house is burning but lets not try to put it out until we have accurately measured how much the temp will decrease during our efforts" Complete lunacy and inability to use common sense.

[TSA]

NO you stated masks DONT work. why would you even mention a false sense of security when it is clear to YOU, they dont even work? There is only ONE problem in your mind. Masks DONT work. Period.

If the first administration had not lied and mischaracterized so much about this virus, and then actually tried to hide info from the public we would not be in this mess. And never actually explainng science works with the varying degrees of reliable evidence and that public health decisions MUST be changed as events change was absolutely contrary to everything written on how to address the public. Accurate descriptions of mechanisms and probability NEVER addressed. so after 2 years of this shit, it was not surprising we are making decisions like a 3rd world nation. Blame it on Fauci... ohh my he changed his suggestions, he LIED. B fkn S. He did what he was supposed to do. NOt, "Bring in Jared, he can get a team, he knows this virus" The ding dongs we first had to get a response together was absolutely appalling. Fauci arrives, blame him, the exact Trump tactic used on so many in his own party. But when we have a fkn pandemic...? Other worldly irresponsibility.

It will all eventually come out. Once we reach some sort of equilibrium, history will show exactly what NOT to do using Trump decisions. But of course people like hater will completely forget and or dismiss what the first 6 months of this was portrayed as. "It will disappear" on and on... misinformation, confusion, lets just play with this lying stuff, its fun.

And how many times has the public been informed on how this virus is transmitted through the air. You have derp copying twitter users that explain that a viral particle is many many times smaller than the N95 filters and can easily get through...
WITHOUT a word about the size of the droplets and the millions of viral particles in that droplet it takes to cause an infection. And of course no mention on how the droplets are absolutely larger than the mesh in the N95s. And then of course nothing about the user having a reduced ability to transmit virus while wearing a mask is almost NEVER thought of.

"Lets not try to plug up as much of the leak in the damn as we can, because we cant put exact numbers on the altered flow rate. The house is burning but lets not try to put it out until we have accurately measured how much the temp will decrease during our efforts" Complete lunacy and inability to use common sense.

Did you quote the wrong person again you senile old fart?

[pgardn]

Did you quote the wrong person again you senile old fart?

Uhhh. We have already discussed ages.
Now who are you calling senile?

Masks dont work. you deny suggesting this?

[TSA]

Uhhh. We have already discussed ages.
Now who are you calling senile?

Masks dont work. you deny suggesting this?

:lol having to edit it your response to try and make sense of what you quoted
:lol senile old fart

I said a properly fitted N95 works quite well. We both know the vast majority of the general public is not wearing properly fitted N95s. Mask compliance doesn't mean shit either as you were shown countries with the highest compliance (93%+) last year and this year and cases soared regardless of mask use.

Sidenote...do you use talk to text a lot when posting here? I'm trying to figure out if a lot of your word salads are due to that. Your stuff reads very similar to the jumbled text messages I get from my father in law.

[pgardn]

:lol having to edit it your response to try and make sense of what you quoted
:lol senile old fart

I said a properly fitted N95 works quite well. We both know the vast majority of the general public is not wearing properly fitted N95s. Mask compliance doesn't mean shit either as you were shown countries with the highest compliance (93%+) last year and this year and cases soared regardless of mask use.

Sidenote...do you use talk to text a lot when posting here? I'm trying to figure out if a lot of your word salads are due to that. Your stuff reads very similar to the jumbled text messages I get from my father in law.

And your reasoning works like my 5 yo nephew.
So you got that young going for you in the noggin.
Surgical masks also work as barriers, just not nearly as well. They have the right size mesh but are a bit to open on the sides for some people. But they dont work either.
You backed yourself into a corner and now are pretending to extricate yourself.

OH. Im going to edit this post for your enjoyment.

We already discussed our ages dumbfk. So who is senile? Burning man... ring a bell. ding, ding hello McFly.

NO masks work if you are continually taking the mask on and off trying to get a drink because you around people that are giving off the virus. So you are saying these people NEVER took their masks off where the mask did NOT work. BS. The study you gave before was gossamer level thick with relevance in an uncontrolled world of data.

[pgardn]

fck, it did not show up as an edit.

Maybe you can get a hard on in another way, TSA...
And yes I use the mic to text on the phone, its a pain.

[TSA]

And your reasoning works like my 5 yo nephew.
So you got that young going for you in the noggin.
Surgical masks also work as barriers, just not nearly as well. They have the right size mesh but are a bit to open on the sides for some people. But they dont work either.
You backed yourself into a corner and now are pretending to extricate yourself.

OH. Im going to edit this post for your enjoyment.

We already discussed our ages dumbfk. So who is senile? Burning man... ring a bell. ding, ding hello McFly.

NO masks work if you are continually taking the mask on and off trying to get a drink because you around people that are giving off the virus. So you are saying these people NEVER took their masks off where the mask did NOT work. BS. The study you gave before was gossamer level thick with relevance in an uncontrolled world of data.

24/7 always on mask wearing was never feasible. Tell me again how high mask compliance relates to case count...that was funny.

Also I need you to address this. Do you use talk to text a lot when posting here? I'm trying to figure out if a lot of your word salads are due to that. Your stuff reads very similar to the jumbled text messages I get from my father in law.

[TSA]

fck, it did not show up as an edit.

Maybe you can get a hard on in another way, TSA...
And yes I use the mic to text on the phone, its a pain.

Do you have to spell out fck and fckn every time you post? :lol

[pgardn]

24/7 always on mask wearing was never feasible. Tell me again how high mask compliance relates to case count...that was funny.

Also I need you to address this. Do you use talk to text a lot when posting here? I'm trying to figure out if a lot of your word salads are due to that. Your stuff reads very similar to the jumbled text messages I get from my father in law.

Sorry buddy if you cannot grasp the concept of uncontrolled studies that are, and are not, useful depending on the question asked. You put up the shit study, not me. And then you did not even read how the authors completely trimmed their own study with the shortcomings.

Also I dont want to have anything to do with your genes, so quit calling me your father-in-law... burning man.

[TSA]

Sorry buddy if you cannot grasp the concept of uncontrolled studies that are, and are not, useful depending on the question asked. You put up the shit study, not me. And then you did not even read how the authors completely trimmed their own study with the shortcomings.

Also I dont want to have anything to do with your genes, so quit calling me your father-in-law... burning man.

What you just underlined and responded to has nothing to do with the study I posted you senile old fart :lol You get so lost trying to rapid fire post, slow down old man.

[boutons_deux]

Legal experts debunk Mike Lee's 'ludicrous' claim that mask mandates may violate the 1st Amendment


https://www.alternet.org/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNzEyNjc3Ny9vcmlnaW4 uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY3NTQ5NzQ3OH0.66_bA5tAb EfjK5N1TWUPitYO7Yvax8m1RLMtcO7wZyg/image.jpg?width=1245&quality=85&coordinates=0%2C0%2C0%2C133&height=700


the Republican senator wrote,

"Wearing a mask in public communicates a message — one with which the wearer may strongly disagree. :lol

Mask wearing also makes it harder to speak, be heard, and otherwise communicate, :lol

especially considering that we use facial expressions — which are largely concealed by masks — to communicate a lot of information when we speak."

First Amendment attorney Ari Cohn, who described Lee's argument as "ludicrous."

"If Sen. Lee were truly interested in the legal issues rather than bad-faith performative nonsense,

basic legal research would have quickly disabused him of his idea's validity.

Even if it wasn't facially laughable,

Sen. Lee is simply wrong about the level of constitutional scrutiny that would be applied.

Mask mandates serve a government interest unrelated to the suppression of expression and

would be subject to a lower level of scrutiny.

The government would need only prove that the mandates serve a substantial government interest and

that there be no less restrictive means for serving that interest as efficiently as the mask mandate."

https://www.alternet.org/2021/08/republicans/

[Blake]

In Texas’ largest counties — Harris, Dallas, Tarrant, Bexar and Travis — neighborhoods with the highest proportions of Black and Hispanic populations are some of the least vaccinated areas.

Darrin with the daily muhhhh zip code. This one being racist.

[DarrinS]

Darrin with the daily muhhhh zip code. This one being racist.

Its a quote from this article:

https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/?_ga=2.50415209.110311026.1628000733-19127814.1628000733


"The distribution of the vaccine is unequal, according to a Texas Tribune analysis. Among people who have received at least one shot, the percent of white recipients is more in line with their proportion of the state's population, while Hispanic and Black residents are being vaccinated at lower rates. In Texas’ largest counties — Harris, Dallas, Tarrant, Bexar and Travis — neighborhoods with the highest proportions of Black and Hispanic populations are some of the least vaccinated areas."


If you think their data is racist, you can reach out to the editor. :lmao

[Blake]

Its a quote from this article:

https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/?_ga=2.50415209.110311026.1628000733-19127814.1628000733


"The distribution of the vaccine is unequal, according to a Texas Tribune analysis. Among people who have received at least one shot, the percent of white recipients is more in line with their proportion of the state's population, while Hispanic and Black residents are being vaccinated at lower rates. In Texas’ largest counties — Harris, Dallas, Tarrant, Bexar and Travis — neighborhoods with the highest proportions of Black and Hispanic populations are some of the least vaccinated areas."


If you think their data is racist, you can reach out to the editor. :lmao

There was no context here for you to bring this up, genius.

[DarrinS]

There was no context here for you to bring this up, genius.

LaMarcus Bryant and RG were hoping the unvaccinated die or go broke from hospital bills.

I was pointing out that they wish this on blacks and Hispanics.

[DarrinS]

Another demographic with very low vaccination rate:

Pregnant women

[Trill Clinton]

Marble Falls is a conservative stronghold; 76% of its voters cast their ballots for Trump in 2020. The city is part of Burnet County, where 40% of residents are fully vaccinated — far behind the rates of neighboring Travis and Williamson counties, which are both around 56%.

Hesitancy for white conservatives, he said, hinges on “distrust of government,” while for Hispanic and Black residents it’s often a “lack of trust in the health care system” because of generations of disparities in the American system.

“For some individuals who have not had a lot of experience interacting in the health care system — perhaps they don’t have a primary care physician — this might create further doubt when we start talking about a vaccine because these kinds of experiences are new,” said Dr. John Carlo, CEO of Prism Health North Texas.

[Blake]

LaMarcus Bryant and RG were hoping the unvaccinated die or go broke from hospital bills.

I was pointing out that they wish this on blacks and Hispanics.

They never said "we hope only the white unvaccinated idiots die"

That's all you.

[DarrinS]

They never said "we hope only the white unvaccinated idiots die"

That's all you.


You're right. Evidently the "coconut minorities" are fair game, too.



In urban areas at this point, they are likely the coconut minorities trying to be white that vote maga for status, so screw them. Darwin.

[Trill Clinton]

Darrin was just complaining about me allegedly "making everything about race" and he is in here...making something about racehttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ohhh.png

[Winehole23]

~3 million+ kids getting long COVID, just another milestone on the way to natural immunity and a return to normality.

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[ElNono]

"However, the sensitivity analysis after excluding the trial by Loeb et al18 showed a significant effect of N95 respirators on preventing respiratory viral infections (RR = 0.61, 95% CI 0.39-0.98, P < .05)."

"Meta-analysis with fixed-effects model revealed that compared with surgical masks, N95 respirators significantly reduced bacterial colonization in hospitals (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78, P < .05)"

"However, the sensitivity analysis after excluding the trial by Radonovich et al12 showed a significant effect of N95 respirators on preventing respiratory infection (RR = 0.53, 95% CI 0.35-0.82, P < .05). "

"The results of subgroup analyses indicated that statistically significant superiority of N95 respirators over surgical masks against influenza like illness (RR = 0.37, 95% CI 0.20-0.71, P < .05) in the community (only one RCT)"

The reason for the similar effects on preventing influenza for the use of N95 respirators versus surgical masks may be related to low compliance to N95 respirators wear,23 which may lead to more frequent doffing compared with surgical masks.13 Although N95 respirators may confer superior protection in laboratory studies designing to achieve 100% intervention adherence,24 the routine use of N95 respirators seems to be less acceptable due to more significant discomfort in real-world practice.11 Therefore, the benefit of N95 respirators of fitting tightly to faces is offset or subjugated

So who's lying? The previous report you posted or what you just quoted?

[ElNono]

Yesterday on CNN Biden's own Covid advisor Osterholm said the masks the general public are wearing don't work against Covid :lol

That's weird. Here's Osterholm asking people like you to stop miss-characterizing what he said:

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/osterholm-stop-mischaracterizing-my-comments-about-face-masks

He added:

As for cloth masks, he said: "Again, I want to make it very clear that I support the use of cloth face coverings by the general public. I wear one myself on the limited occasions I'm out in public," he adds.

So, the question I have is why lie about this? This can be looked up, video and all, in 2 minutes.


If everyone was wearing properly fitted N95's I'd agree with you that masks work.

Hey, you asked for a scientific retort of the report you posted and I provided it.

[ElNono]

I've already said here one of my problems with masks is the false sense of security they give people. People who are sick are going out with a mask on when they should be staying home and people who are healthy are getting sick because they think a mask is keeping them safe and they are stupidly crowding in indoor areas where transmission is high.

What you didn't say is that Osterholm is far from anti-mask, and he actually recommends people to wear masks... so why be coy about this?

[Winehole23]

exponential spread

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[ElNono]

exponential spread

1422651311120596994

Need to test less...

[Winehole23]

COVID makes you gimpy

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[ElNono]

COVID makes you gimpy

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Unfortunately this is only enticing if you're getting any pussy at all... not a game-changer for incels...

[spurraider21]

My dad who tested positive on Friday, lost his sense of smell over the weekend and has had a rough fever. Enough to make my mom sweat and send him to Kaiser to get checked and get an X-ray to make sure there’s no pneumonia. Came back clean, but still has that fever.

[DarrinS]

My dad who tested positive on Friday, lost his sense of smell over the weekend and has had a rough fever. Enough to make my mom sweat and send him to Kaiser to get checked and get an X-ray to make sure there’s no pneumonia. Came back clean, but still has that fever.

Hope he gets better soon. :tu

[spurraider21]

Hope he gets better soon. :tu
i'm glad my sister and i strong-armed him into getting vaccinated (though he opted for J&J :lol)... he's in his 60's and fat

ironically, we told him that we wont let him visit his grandkids (my sister has a 1.5 year old, we have a newborn) without getting a shot... and he was unable to make his planned trip this weekend because he caught a breakthrough case anyway. but he could be doing worse. naturally, he still pushes the "its just a flu" talking points at me as he got home from his hopsital checkup :lol

[hater]

My dad who tested positive on Friday, lost his sense of smell over the weekend and has had a rough fever. Enough to make my mom sweat and send him to Kaiser to get checked and get an X-ray to make sure there’s no pneumonia. Came back clean, but still has that fever.

Called it :tu

Good to hear

[hater]

https://twitter.com/CStar_OW/status/1422790748181725184?s=19

[TSA]

So who's lying? The previous report you posted or what you just quoted?I don't think either is lying. And what I had just quoted was from the study you cited :lol

[TSA]

What you didn't say is that Osterholm is far from anti-mask, and he actually recommends people to wear masks... so why be coy about this?
I've already said here one of my problems with masks is the false sense of security they give people. People who are sick are going out with a mask on when they should be staying home and people who are healthy are getting sick because they think a mask is keeping them safe and they are stupidly crowding in indoor areas where transmission is high.Osterholm and I are in agreement :tu

"The messaging that dominates our COVID-19 discussions right now makes it seem that – if we are wearing cloth masks – you're not going to infect me and I'm not going to infect you," he continues.

"I worry that many people highly vulnerable to life-threatening COVID-19 will hear this message and make decisions that they otherwise wouldn't have made about distancing because of an unproven sense of cloth mask security."

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/osterholm-stop-mischaracterizing-my-comments-about-face-masks

[TSA]

That's weird. Here's Osterholm asking people like you to stop miss-characterizing what he said:

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/osterholm-stop-mischaracterizing-my-comments-about-face-masks

He added:

As for cloth masks, he said: "Again, I want to make it very clear that I support the use of cloth face coverings by the general public. I wear one myself on the limited occasions I'm out in public," he adds.

So, the question I have is why lie about this? This can be looked up, video and all, in 2 minutes.



That's weird. You are posting quotes from Osterholm from July 2020. I'm talking about comments he made this week. This can be looked up, video and all, in 2 minutes, but I won't make you look for it :bobo

https://twitter.com/TrumpJew2/status/1422236501589512195

You can now apologize for calling me a liar.

[DarrinS]

i'm glad my sister and i strong-armed him into getting vaccinated (though he opted for J&J :lol)... he's in his 60's and fat

ironically, we told him that we wont let him visit his grandkids (my sister has a 1.5 year old, we have a newborn) without getting a shot... and he was unable to make his planned trip this weekend because he caught a breakthrough case anyway. but he could be doing worse. naturally, he still pushes the "its just a flu" talking points at me as he got home from his hopsital checkup :lol


In SF, they are supposedly boosting J&J recipients.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/03/jj-covid-vaccine-recipients-can-get-supplemental-pfizer-or-moderna-shots-in-san-francisco.html

[boutons_deux]

Biden is bitching directly by name at Abbott or Abbott's restrictions on pandemic protections

[boutons_deux]

I read that one of the reasons Trump doesn't want to promote vaccines is that a successful shutdown of the pandemic would make Biden look good and Trump wants to hurt Biden by causing thousands of illnesses and deaths

[Winehole23]

Tyson is dealing with numerous COVID related lawsuits, for some reason.

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[DarrinS]

Another demographic with very low vaccination rate:

Pregnant women


https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/08/04/san-antonio-hospitals-report-significant-rise-in-pregnant-women-testing-positive-for-covid-19/

[RandomGuy]

LaMarcus Bryant and RG were hoping the unvaccinated die or go broke from hospital bills.

I was pointing out that they wish this on blacks and Hispanics.

Let me clarify that.

I hope that any trump supporting fascist, regardless of ethnicity die or go broke from hospital bills.

I am equal opportunity that way.

[pgardn]

What you just underlined and responded to has nothing to do with the study I posted you senile old fart :lol You get so lost trying to rapid fire post, slow down old man.

How would you know, you did not even read the study and its admitted shortcomings senile burning man.
We already talked age young fella, you just fail to remember. By your reasoning you are a senile old fart.

[DarrinS]

Let me clarify that.

I hope that any trump supporting fascist, regardless of ethnicity die or go broke from hospital bills.

I am equal opportunity that way.


Well, there it is.


Just to contrast myself with you, I don't wish death or bankruptcy on the unvaccinated, just because they chose to support Biden. Because I'm not a garbage human.

[TSA]

How would you know, you did not even read the study and its admitted shortcomings senile burning man.
We already talked age young fella, you just fail to remember. By your reasoning you are a senile old fart.

I know because you underlined it :lol

[TSA]

Let me clarify that.

I hope that any trump supporting fascist, regardless of ethnicity die or go broke from hospital bills.

I am equal opportunity that way.

You used to be a decent poster until Trump broke you. Sad.

[baseline bum]

You used to be a decent poster until Trump broke you. Sad.

So much irony in this post :lol

[SnakeBoy]

i'm glad my sister and i strong-armed him into getting vaccinated (though he opted for J&J :lol)... he's in his 60's and fat

ironically, we told him that we wont let him visit his grandkids (my sister has a 1.5 year old, we have a newborn) without getting a shot... and he was unable to make his planned trip this weekend because he caught a breakthrough case anyway. but he could be doing worse. naturally, he still pushes the "its just a flu" talking points at me as he got home from his hopsital checkup :lol

Hopefully you educated him that it is a common cold virus not influenza

[TSA]

So much irony in this post :lol

I've never been decent nor do I pretend I am :lol

[TSA]

I don't know how I've never noticed this until now but some of you actually thank and like posts on here like you are on Facebook? :lmao

[pgardn]

:lol having to edit it your response to try and make sense of what you quoted
:lol senile old fart

I said a properly fitted N95 works quite well. We both know the vast majority of the general public is not wearing properly fitted N95s. Mask compliance doesn't mean shit either as you were shown countries with the highest compliance (93%+) last year and this year and cases soared regardless of mask use.

Sidenote...do you use talk to text a lot when posting here? I'm trying to figure out if a lot of your word salads are due to that. Your stuff reads very similar to the jumbled text messages I get from my father in law.

TSA:

The only place I post anything online is here.

1. Masks don’t work for this virus as I’ve repeatedly shown.

You, are a liar.
And you try to deceive once you have been shown to be absolutely wrong.
Are you going to apologize to the posters who you asked to apologize to YOU for calling YOU a liar?

Basically you are another Trumpian asshole enjoying distorting information. Thats what you do. YOu put up studies you dont understand, then dont read them thoroughly, then make stupid conclusions based on them. Then you waste people's time by making them go back to shuffle through the shit you lie about. Thats how you work. Then you put up a laughing emoticon as a sign that you find it all funny. So you will tell your wife not to worry about getting vaccinated or mask as a joke as you fooled her with your disinformation. Funny stuff within the family.

[boutons_deux]

Most unvaccinated Americans believe coronavirus vaccine poses greater health risk than the disease

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/04/kff-poll-coronavirus-vaccine-unvaccinated-americans

[Winehole23]

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/08/04/san-antonio-hospitals-report-significant-rise-in-pregnant-women-testing-positive-for-covid-19/

People who contracted Covid may have "substantial" drop in intelligence, according to The Lancet (https://boingboing.net/2021/08/03/people-who-contracted-covid-may-have-substantial-drop-in-intelligence-according-to-the-lancet.html) (https://boingboing.net/2021/08/03/people-who-contracted-covid-may-have-substantial-drop-in-intelligence-according-to-the-lancet.html)

[SnakeBoy]

People who contracted Covid may have "substantial" drop in intelligence, according to The Lancet (https://boingboing.net/2021/08/03/people-who-contracted-covid-may-have-substantial-drop-in-intelligence-according-to-the-lancet.html) (https://boingboing.net/2021/08/03/people-who-contracted-covid-may-have-substantial-drop-in-intelligence-according-to-the-lancet.html)

Racist as fuck test

https://i1.wp.com/boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/CleanShot-2021-08-03-at-10.29.34.jpg?fit=1&resize=620%2C4000&ssl=1

[TSA]

TSA:

The only place I post anything online is here.

1. Masks don’t work for this virus as I’ve repeatedly shown.

You, are a liar.
And you try to deceive once you have been shown to be absolutely wrong.
Are you going to apologize to the posters who you asked to apologize to YOU for calling YOU a liar?

Basically you are another Trumpian asshole enjoying distorting information. Thats what you do. YOu put up studies you dont understand, then dont read them thoroughly, then make stupid conclusions based on them. Then you waste people's time by making them go back to shuffle through the shit you lie about. Thats how you work. Then you put up a laughing emoticon as a sign that you find it all funny. So you will tell your wife not to worry about getting vaccinated or mask as a joke as you fooled her with your disinformation. Funny stuff within the family.

Why didn't you bold the sentence immediately after? I said a properly fitted N95 works quite well. We both know the vast majority of the general public is not wearing properly fitted N95s.

You have yet to show me any real world data showing masks and mask compliance work for this virus. On the other hand I have shown you cases soaring last year and this year in countries with the absolute highest mask compliance in the world.

My wife made the choice to not get vaccinated while she was pregnant and because of that we've both taken extra precautions because of her choice. Neither of us has been vaccinated, neither of us has contracted the virus. We don't put ourselves in situations to contract the virus and are very good about hygiene and social distancing, the most important factors. Less than a month before the baby is here, we'll be fine. I'm sorry to hear your wife's friend was not as smart during her pregnancy.

[boutons_deux]

Large U.K. study suggests fully-vaccinated people are less likely to spread COVID
An almost 100,000-person study (https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstream/10044/1/90800/2/react1_r13_final_preprint_final.pdf) out of Imperial College London (ICL) suggests

those who are fully vaccinated are three times less likely than the unvaccinated to test positive for COVID-19,

and are also less likely to spread the virus to others

https://theweek.com/coronavirus/1003351/large-uk-study-suggests-fully-vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-to-spread-covid

[baseline bum]

I've never been decent nor do I pretend I am :lol

But in comparison you used to be before Seth Rich, Comet Ping Pong, etc

[pgardn]

Why didn't you bold the sentence immediately after? I said a properly fitted N95 works quite well. (NO YOU DID NOT) We both know the vast majority of the general public is not wearing properly fitted N95s.

You have yet to show me any real world data showing masks and mask compliance work for this virus. On the other hand I have shown you cases soaring last year and this year in countries with the absolute highest mask compliance in the world.

My wife made the choice to not get vaccinated while she was pregnant and because of that we've both taken extra precautions because of her choice. Neither of us has been vaccinated, neither of us has contracted the virus. We don't put ourselves in situations to contract the virus and are very good about hygiene and social distancing, the most important factors. Less than a month before the baby is here, we'll be fine. I'm sorry to hear your wife's friend was not as smart during her pregnancy.

The only place I post anything online is here.

1. Masks don’t work for this virus as I’ve repeatedly shown. Find me an RCT trial that says otherwise.
And then you went on to post nonsense about me posting from a shower and other BS.
This is what you said immediately after. At least a day or two later you retracted this after getting bombarded.
You, are a liar.

Now you are saying masks that are worn improperly dont work as well... you are scrambling all over the place

So now you ARE saying N95s work well but you want DATA from me? Seriously, I thought you were sort of noble keeping with your bet with Djohn, but now you show yourself as a true punk.

[pgardn]

So now I guess this is just a game for you to lie and for me to go back and find it for you.
And you dismissed me before when I said Im not going back to your study again. And found that appalling did you?
So Trumpish.... LIE----->DENY----->Now go with an alternative fact. Yes means No.

[pgardn]

Why didn't you bold the sentence immediately after? I said a properly fitted N95 works quite well. We both know the vast majority of the general public is not wearing properly fitted N95s.

You have yet to show me any real world data showing masks and mask compliance work for this virus. On the other hand I have shown you cases soaring last year and this year in countries with the absolute highest mask compliance in the world.

My wife made the choice to not get vaccinated while she was pregnant and because of that we've both taken extra precautions because of her choice. Neither of us has been vaccinated, neither of us has contracted the virus. We don't put ourselves in situations to contract the virus and are very good about hygiene and social distancing, the most important factors. Less than a month before the baby is here, we'll be fine. I'm sorry to hear your wife's friend was not as smart during her pregnancy.

It was an OBGYN who told my wife about women clients who are NOT getting vaccinated. You brought up your OBGYNs advice, now I am giving you my wife's OBGYN railing about women giving their newborn's Covid. Take care of you family as I dont wish ill on ANYONE with a wife and young child/infant.

[TSA]

The only place I post anything online is here.

1. Masks don’t work for this virus as I’ve repeatedly shown. Find me an RCT trial that says otherwise.
And then you went on to post nonsense about me posting from a shower and other BS.
This is what you said immediately after. At least a day or two later you retracted this after getting bombarded.
You, are a liar.

Now you are saying masks that are worn improperly dont work as well... you are scrambling all over the place

So now you ARE saying N95s work well but you want DATA from me? Seriously, I thought you were sort of noble keeping with your bet with Djohn, but now you show yourself as a true punk.

You never found an RCT trial saying otherwise.

You brought up out of nowhere that you were going to take a shower you senile old fart :lol

Properly fitted N95s do work well and I said so myself, there is plenty of data on that. I never asked you for data on that.

You are all over the place. Go take a nap and clear your head.

[DarrinS]

Meh, if some place asks me to wear a mask, I keep some in my vehicle. No big deal.

I don't think the ones most people use are nearly as effective as n95/K-n95.

[boutons_deux]

A Doomsday COVID Variant Worse Than Delta and Lambda May Be Coming

Scientists keep underestimating the coronavirus. In the beginning of the pandemic,

they said mutated versions of the virus wouldn't be much of a problem—

until the more-infectious Alpha caused a spike in cases last fall.

Then Beta made young people sicker and

Gamma reinfected those who'd already recovered from COVID-19.

Still, by March, as the winter surge in the U.S. receded, some epidemiologists were cautiously optimistic that the rapid vaccine rollout would soon tame the variants and cause the pandemic to wind down.

Delta has now shattered that optimism.

This variant, first identified in India in December, spreads faster than any previous strain of SARS-CoV-2, as the COVID-19 virus is officially named.

It is driving up infection rates in every state of the U.S., prompting the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC (https://www.newsweek.com/topic/cdc)) to once again recommend universal mask-wearing.

The Delta outbreak is going to get much worse,

"The number of intensive-care beds needed could be higher than any time we've seen,"

almost every single one of the 100 million unvaccinated Americans who hasn't had COVID-19 yet will likely get it in the coming months,

short of taking the sort of strong isolation and masking precautions that seem unlikely in the vaccine-hesitant population.

"We've failed to shut this down as we have other pandemics,"

"It may be around forevermore, leaving us continually trying to figure out what to do next."

Delta, like most of the other variants, blindsided us, worsening and extending the pandemic.

Eta, which is now in several countries;

Kappa, which arose in India;

Iota, which first popped up in New York City—and especially

Lambda, which has torn through Peru and shows signs of having unusual success in infecting fully vaccinated people,

the chances that a virus in the population will produce a much more dangerous variant in the course of a year would normally be extremely low.

But when billions of people are infected with billions of copies of a virus, all bets are off.

"Vaccines are the key, and vaccine hesitancy is the obstacle." :lol "hesitancy" :lol how about "refusal"

There's no reason to assume Delta represents any sort of ceiling in infectiousness.

https://www.newsweek.com/2021/08/13/doomsday-covid-variant-worse-delta-lambda-may-coming-scientists-say-1615874.html

[SpursforSix]

A Doomsday COVID Variant Worse Than Delta and Lambda May Be Coming



Well no shit.

Big Pharma has to be licking their chops at this point. New vaccines, yearly boosters. Not to mention all the drugs they'll be selling to treat the lingering side effects of the virus.

[Thread]

Well no shit.

Big Pharma has to be licking their chops at this point. New vaccines, yearly boosters. Not to mention all the drugs they'll be selling to treat the lingering side effects of the virus.

Tell it, SfS.

Testify!!!

[Thread]

A Doomsday COVID Variant Worse Than Delta and Lambda May Be Coming



On mother fucker Biden's watchPERIOD

[Thread]

Meh, if some place asks me to wear a mask, I keep some in my vehicle. No big deal.

I don't think the ones most people use are nearly as effective as n95/K-n95.

"A piece of gauze proved worthless."

100 years ago. Nothing has changed. Take any mask go into your bathroom with a can of Raid. Close the door. Don your mask, spray the Raid. You'll smell it.

[SnakeBoy]

Well no shit.

Big Pharma has to be licking their chops at this point. New vaccines, yearly boosters. Not to mention all the drugs they'll be selling to treat the lingering side effects of the virus.

Yearly? Pfizer CEO is asking for 6 month boosters :lol

[baseline bum]

"A piece of gauze proved worthless."

100 years ago. Nothing has changed. Take any mask go into your bathroom with a can of Raid. Close the door. Don your mask, spray the Raid. You'll smell it.

How many times have you done this experiment, cubby? Would explain a lot.

[ElNono]

I don't think either is lying. And what I had just quoted was from the study you cited :lol

They directly contradict each other. One of them is right and one is wrong, you posted both. You can't have both positions at the same time and claim you're not wrong.


Osterholm and I are in agreement :tu

"The messaging that dominates our COVID-19 discussions right now makes it seem that – if we are wearing cloth masks – you're not going to infect me and I'm not going to infect you," he continues.

"I worry that many people highly vulnerable to life-threatening COVID-19 will hear this message and make decisions that they otherwise wouldn't have made about distancing because of an unproven sense of cloth mask security."

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/osterholm-stop-mischaracterizing-my-comments-about-face-masks

But you keep cherry picking and peddling half the story, something Osterholm actually had to go out and ask people like you not to do.

Osterholm wears cloth masks, admitted by himself. Hopefully that's enough for you to stop spreading FUD.

[ElNono]

That's weird. You are posting quotes from Osterholm from July 2020. I'm talking about comments he made this week. This can be looked up, video and all, in 2 minutes, but I won't make you look for it :bobo

https://twitter.com/TrumpJew2/status/1422236501589512195

You can now apologize for calling me a liar.

he didn't say masks don't work, he said they're "not very effective". Why do you keep lying about this? :lol

I quoted what Osterholm said. It doesn't matter if it was a year ago or not, that's still him, correct?

[ElNono]

Everybody and their mother know N95s are better masks. This isn't a revelation, but extrapolating that to mean "masks don't work" is the kind of absolute fake news you'd expect from outright liars or retards.

I think you're smarter than that, and this is just a schtick, but it's still a lie.

[RandomGuy]

he didn't say masks don't work, he said they're "not very effective". Why do you keep lying about this? :lol

I quoted what Osterholm said. It doesn't matter if it was a year ago or not, that's still him, correct?

soph•ism sŏf′ĭz″əm►
n. A plausible but fallacious argument.
n. Deceptive or fallacious argumentation.
n. A false argumentation devised for the exercise of one's ingenuity or for the purpose of deceit; sometimes, a logically false argumentation; a fallacy.

[RandomGuy]

People who contracted Covid may have "substantial" drop in intelligence, according to The Lancet (https://boingboing.net/2021/08/03/people-who-contracted-covid-may-have-substantial-drop-in-intelligence-according-to-the-lancet.html) (https://boingboing.net/2021/08/03/people-who-contracted-covid-may-have-substantial-drop-in-intelligence-according-to-the-lancet.html)


When examining the entire population, the deficits were most pronounced for paradigms that tapped cognitive functions such as reasoning, problem solving, spatial planning and target detection whilst sparing tests of simpler functions such as working-memory span as well as emotional processing. These results accord with reports of long-COVID, where 'brain fog', trouble concentrating and difficulty finding the correct words are common.

Weird.

Sounds a lot like my dad for the last few years.

We have evidence that some forms of chronic fatigue are due to long term viral illnesses. Makes me wonder if he is suffering from something along those lines.

[RandomGuy]

Well, there it is.


Just to contrast myself with you, I don't wish death or bankruptcy on the unvaccinated, just because they chose to support Biden. Because I'm not a garbage human.

At this point the fascists are a direct threat to the country. Jan 6 proved that.

Not going to apologize. They have become what they claim Democrats are.

MAbab8aP4_A

The time for such things has passed, IMO.

[boutons_deux]

Homicidal DeSantis Defiantly Responds to Biden’s Covid Leadership Criticism:

‘I’m Gonna Stand in Your Way’

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/desantis-defiantly-responds-to-bidens-covid-leadership-criticism-im-gonna-stand-in-your-way/

[ducks]

DeSantis to Biden: 'I don't want to hear blip about COVID from you' until you do your job and secure border
DeSantis said Biden is 'importing' COVID from around the world

[DarrinS]

At this point the fascists are a direct threat to the country. Jan 6 proved that.

Not going to apologize. They have become what they claim Democrats are.

The time for such things has passed, IMO.


Just glad you aren't a healthcare worker, psycho

[spurraider21]

DeSantis to Biden: 'I don't want to hear blip about COVID from you' until you do your job and secure border
DeSantis said Biden is 'importing' COVID from around the world
Florida is hundreds of miles from the border. he's deflecting blame where it doesnt make sense

[hater]

https://twitter.com/RossDoubleU/status/1422935111251767299?s=19

[spurraider21]

if its all theater, why do you keep telling people to "wear a fucking mask"

[hater]

Florida is hundreds of miles from the border. he's deflecting blame where it doesnt make sense

Once youre in youre in. You can ride a bus to FLA

[spurraider21]

Once youre in youre in. You can ride a bus to FLA
is there any data suggesting that significant numbers of border crossers are getting into FLA and spreading covid?

[hater]

is there any data suggesting that significant numbers of border crossers are getting into FLA and spreading covid?

Didnt claim that. You claim Florida gov should not worry about border since Florida is hundreds of miles from a border :lol


Thats just a silly statement :lol

[spurraider21]

Didnt claim that. You claim Florida gov should not worry about border since Florida is hundreds of miles from a border :lol


Thats just a silly statement :lol
not silly at all. there's nothing to indicate that the border is having any impact on florida's covid numbers.

remember deathsentence is the moron who literally made it illegal for CRUISE liners to require proof of vaccination :lmao

[boutons_deux]

Long-term effects of COVID could lead to Alzheimer's- new findings

For some, the neurological symptoms of COVID carry on after the virus has moved on.

Researchers are working to understand the mechanisms by which this brain dysfunction occurs.

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/long-term-effects-of-covid-could-lead-to-alzheimers-new-findings-675868

[Adam Lambert]

Biden is arresting and detaining more people at the border than Trump ever did.

[hater]

Biden is arresting and detaining more people at the border than Trump ever did.

Yup

Hes a rightwinger parading as a lefty :lol

We been fooled :lol

[hater]

not silly at all. there's nothing to indicate that the border is having any impact on florida's covid numbers.

remember deathsentence is the moron who literally made it illegal for CRUISE liners to require proof of vaccination :lmao

Its silly to say Desantis has no right to opinion on border crossings. Silly much

[Adam Lambert]

Yup

Hes a rightwinger parading as a lefty :lol

We been fooled :lol

Speak for yourself and for everyone who was like "muh open border socialist!"

I knew who he was.

[spurraider21]

Its silly to say Desantis has no right to opinion on border crossings. Silly much
he can have an opinion on border crossing

but blaming his covid fuckup on the border is silly

[spurraider21]

And if anything, we're UNDERCOUNTING. For every brisket death attributed to Covid, there's 100 more deaths not labeled Covid.
1422921234682155010

[hater]

Speak for yourself and for everyone who was like "muh open border socialist!"

I knew who he was.

A rightwinger right? Yup. Me too

Called it

[hater]

he can have an opinion on border crossing

but blaming his covid fuckup on the border is silly

I believe he said something like Biden can talk to me when he fixes the border which makes sense

I disagree 100% w desantis on border but our border is broken and Biden aint doing jackshit to fix it so git a point.

[Adam Lambert]

I don't know how I've never noticed this until now but some of you actually thank and like posts on here like you are on Facebook? :lmao

Translated: I'm annoyed that BB insulting me got so much positive reaction from others in the forum, and I really want to say something about it, but revealing that I even care about that would make me look pathetic. So I'll pretend I didn't even notice this forum feature that has been around for 2+ years until now.

[spurraider21]

I believe he said something like Biden can talk to me when he fixes the border which makes sense

I disagree 100% w desantis on border but our border is broken and Biden aint doing jackshit to fix it so git a point.
no. he was talking about covid. he wanted to blame biden for his own covid fuckup.

[boutons_deux]

Texas GOP official mocked vaccines for months --

now he's dead from COVID-19

https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNzEzODcwNi9vcmlnaW4 ucG5nIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTY0MDI2ODIwNH0.Ctrjewp9H cR-HpyXWYcupPDX9qNyiaj3XVfXanPhd_Y/image.png?width=1200&height=675


H. Scott Apley, a councilmember of Dickinson, Texas and member of the Texas State Republican Executive Committee, has died from COVID-19.

"was admitted to the facility in Galveston on Sunday with 'pneumonia-like symptoms,' and was hooked up to a ventilator as his condition worsened. His wife was also infected, the family said."

The Daily Beast described Apley as "a staunch conservative and devout Christian"

who also left behind a long history of anti-mask and anti-vax propaganda on his social media accounts.

https://www.rawstory.com/h-scott-apley

He owned the libs!

[Winehole23]

Biden is arresting and detaining more people at the border than Trump ever did.Same was true of Obama.

[pgardn]

You never found an RCT trial saying otherwise.

You brought up out of nowhere that you were going to take a shower you senile old fart :lol

Properly fitted N95s do work well and I said so myself, there is plenty of data on that. I never asked you for data on that.

You are all over the place. Go take a nap and clear your head.

Masks don’t work for this virus.
Find an RTC study that says they do.

Then
N95 work fine for this virus if fitted properly WE both know this?

You are flat out a liar, or stupid, but probably both.
Go back and look at the quote you lying disingenuous stinking old piece of shit.

Masks DO WORK.

[pgardn]

"A piece of gauze proved worthless."

100 years ago. Nothing has changed. Take any mask go into your bathroom with a can of Raid. Close the door. Don your mask, spray the Raid. You'll smell it.

Because the molecules that strike your nose cells that send a message to your brain saying, “oh what a lovely odor” are indeed SMALLER than the mesh gaps in the masks. The infectious water droplets carrying MILLIONS of viral particles are NOT. In fact many produced in a sneeze fall rather quickly due to gravity. The virus must be in this water droplet for air transmission and infection to occur. This IS the current model.

You have done too many experiments on yourself with substances that not only give you olfactory sensations, they have rotted your brain.

[SnakeBoy]

For the vaccines will stop the variants crowd, yet another animal reservoir

Up to 40% of wild deer population in US exposed to coronavirus, study finds
https://news.yahoo.com/40-wild-deer-population-us-105754570.html

[ChumpDumper]

Quit fucking deer, SnakeBoy.

[Winehole23]

if rats are carrrying it, that's worrisome.

[Thread]

if rats are carrrying it, that's worrisome.

Not really. Media are vermin and we've survived them forever.

[Thread]

Masks don’t work for this virus.
Find an RTC study that says they do.

Then
N95 work fine for this virus if fitted properly WE both know this?

You are flat out a liar, or stupid, but probably both.
Go back and look at the quote you lying disingenuous stinking old piece of shit.

Masks DO WORK.

Over 4 & a quarter million mask wearers would argue with you, peeg, but they're dead.

[ElNono]

For the vaccines will stop the variants crowd, yet another animal reservoir

Up to 40% of wild deer population in US exposed to coronavirus, study finds
https://news.yahoo.com/40-wild-deer-population-us-105754570.html

Time to go deer hunting... if we could only do the same with anti-vaxxers, tbh

[Thread]

Time to go deer hunting... if we could only do the same with anti-vaxxers, tbh

Mother fucker Biden is just itching for such. Big shot with a "plan."

At 233k no more big shot.

[boutons_deux]

Texas GOP shamed for mourning death of anti-vaxx official --

without mentioning he died from COVID-19

https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6I mh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8yNzE0MDUzMS9vcmlnaW4 ucG5nIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTYzNDg4MDE3OH0.Fnz5GeBvi _UbBhqAGAZ9MnV0Z2SW0emqROV-tLwR2AE/image.png?width=1200&height=675

https://www.rawstory.com/scott-apley-texas

hippo man had a major co-morbidity, 300+ pounds?

[Winehole23]

the math isn't hard: the more goodies, the more social good


https://images.jifo.co/2547186_1627055313732.svg


Abstract



Issue: No two countries are alike when it comes to organizing and delivering health care for their people, creating an opportunity to learn about alternative approaches.



Goal: To compare the performance of health care systems of 11 high-income countries.



Methods: Analysis of 71 performance measures across five domains — access to care, care process, administrative efficiency, equity, and health care outcomes — drawn from Commonwealth Fund international surveys conducted in each country and administrative data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development and the World Health Organization.



Key Findings: The top-performing countries overall are Norway, the Netherlands, and Australia. The United States ranks last overall, despite spending far more of its gross domestic product on health care. The U.S. ranks last on access to care, administrative efficiency, equity, and health care outcomes, but second on measures of care process.



Conclusion: Four features distinguish top performing countries from the United States: 1) they provide for universal coverage and remove cost barriers; 2) they invest in primary care systems to ensure that high-value services are equitably available in all communities to all people; 3) they reduce administrative burdens that divert time, efforts, and spending from health improvement efforts; and 4) they invest in social services, especially for children and working-age adults.

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p843x403/230308115_5393276280765382_6465765936515565192_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Un_wafUvmOQAX_XwlXE&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=72bd3a50df8725d174925db7168b615f&oe=61326BA0

[RandomGuy]

Translated: I'm annoyed that BB insulting me got so much positive reaction from others in the forum, and I really want to say something about it, but revealing that I even care about that would make me look pathetic. So I'll pretend I didn't even notice this forum feature that has been around for 2+ years until now.

:lol

[RandomGuy]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p843x403/230308115_5393276280765382_6465765936515565192_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Un_wafUvmOQAX_XwlXE&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=72bd3a50df8725d174925db7168b615f&oe=61326BA0

They should definitely be held respondible.

[RandomGuy]

the math isn't hard: the more goodies, the more social good



https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly

(bookmarks)

Thanks.

[Blake]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p843x403/230308115_5393276280765382_6465765936515565192_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Un_wafUvmOQAX_XwlXE&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=72bd3a50df8725d174925db7168b615f&oe=61326BA0

They didn't have time to grammar check that meme?

[boutons_deux]

They should definitely be held respondible.

By whom? Their cult mob voters won't.

Who has "standing"?

[weebo]

conservatives are vectors of germ and disease....specifically the trump COV 19 virus...no better than the fleas and rat parasites that were responsible for killing millions during the black death plague that ravaged europe in the 1300-1400s

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p843x403/115910054_10163993892985184_5606664685445648816_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ob0rXB48hKMAX_ccWT9&tn=Nce33tuPOr2Rsfpt&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=a221d72091a0390273751f922cd4aa9d&oe=61308DF6

[boutons_deux]

WTF

'Stunning': Democrats Considering Major Cuts to Future Pandemic Preparedness

Although President Joe Biden has called for (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/03/31/fact-sheet-the-american-jobs-plan/) investing $30 billion in pandemic preparedness,

congressional Democrats are reportedly (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/565373-democrats-consider-scaling-back-new-funds-to-fight-next-pandemic) considering slashing such proposed funding by $25 billion in forthcoming legislation

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/08/03/stunning-democrats-considering-major-cuts-future-pandemic-preparedness

[Thread]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p843x403/115910054_10163993892985184_5606664685445648816_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ob0rXB48hKMAX_ccWT9&tn=Nce33tuPOr2Rsfpt&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=a221d72091a0390273751f922cd4aa9d&oe=61308DF6

Tell that to the FIRST 500 cases in the Deer District/Wisconsin that 16 days ago gathered 75k asses&elbows&maskless in the street because the Bucks won the last game they played. Remember, bouts, nobody said a discouraging word at that moment, not even CNN who is, well was Johnny on-the-spot before mother fucker Biden cheated to get in there to blow the required whistle.

Let us proceed...

ADDENDUM:::& many Americans had come into Milwaukee from out-of-state for that very occasion and were in that street that night, of course attendant asses-to-elbows&maskless...

Where-ohwhere praytell fair bouts did those out-of-state Americans go the morning after? That's a shaved pussy answer, son:::out-of-Wisconsin and back home spreading the Delta across America.

Now,

Let us proceed...

[SpursforSix]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/p843x403/115910054_10163993892985184_5606664685445648816_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=ob0rXB48hKMAX_ccWT9&tn=Nce33tuPOr2Rsfpt&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=a221d72091a0390273751f922cd4aa9d&oe=61308DF6

Bend over, I'll fucking show you uncomfortable.

[pgardn]

Over 4 & a quarter million mask wearers would argue with you, peeg, but they're dead.

Tell that to TSA.
Thats his quote and then his backtracking.

You can give him a big TESTIFY TSA!

[SnakeBoy]

the math isn't hard: the more goodies, the more social good



https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly

Biden bro with the muh universal healthcare post :lol

[boutons_deux]

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[boutons_deux]

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[Thread]

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I'll bet she ain't got a hair on her ass.

[boutons_deux]

Vaccines cut chance of being infected with delta variant by half, UK study finds


The study examined nearly 100,000 people who took COVID-19 swab tests at home between June 24 and July 12.

https://www.livescience.com/uk-coronavirus-imperial-college-vaccine-effectiveness-study.html

[ducks]

SEN. RAND PAUL: The CDC says you're not supposed to get vaccinated if you've been infected within three months. So what are we going to do? Tell people that can't fly for three months, even according to the CDC?…So it makes no sense. It's complete collectivism, and all of these people, are the same people who hooted and hollered and said ‘Trump is leading us to authoritarianism.’ What could be more authoritarian than a no-fly list for people who disagree with you?

[spurraider21]

SEN. RAND PAUL: The CDC says you're not supposed to get vaccinated if you've been infected within three months. So what are we going to do? Tell people that can't fly for three months, even according to the CDC?…So it makes no sense. It's complete collectivism, and all of these people, are the same people who hooted and hollered and said ‘Trump is leading us to authoritarianism.’ What could be more authoritarian than a no-fly list for people who disagree with you?
not for people who disagree, for people who pose a public threat

because you could phrase that for anything. like, we think rape should be illegal. do you jail rapists just because they disagree with you?

[koriwhat]

SEN. RAND PAUL: The CDC says you're not supposed to get vaccinated if you've been infected within three months. So what are we going to do? Tell people that can't fly for three months, even according to the CDC?…So it makes no sense. It's complete collectivism, and all of these people, are the same people who hooted and hollered and said ‘Trump is leading us to authoritarianism.’ What could be more authoritarian than a no-fly list for people who disagree with you?

EXACTLY! Communism rearing its ugly head in the USA.

As well, Delta this and Delta that as the fake administration allows and encourages thousands and millions of illegals to rush our border and then flies them to other states or drives them there. But but but we the citizens lose more and more rights while the new class of illegals get 1st class flights anywhere they want in our country spreading the virus even more. Fuck the commies!

[koriwhat]

not for people who disagree, for people who pose a public threat

because you could phrase that for anything. like, we think rape should be illegal. do you jail rapists just because they disagree with you?

Dumb analogy by a dumb lawyer.

[spurraider21]

EXACTLY! Communism rearing its ugly head in the USA.

As well, Delta this and Delta that as the fake administration allows and encourages thousands and millions of illegals to rush our border and then flies them to other states or drives them there. But but but we the citizens lose more and more rights while the new class of illegals get 1st class flights anywhere they want in our country spreading the virus even more. Fuck the commies!
communism is when you try to control the spread of disease

[SnakeBoy]

conservatives are vectors of germ and disease....specifically the trump COV 19 virus...no better than the fleas and rat parasites that were responsible for killing millions during the black death plague that ravaged europe in the 1300-1400s

lol poor libs lashing out over Biden's failure

[koriwhat]

communism is when you try to control the spread of disease

Communism is creating a bioweapon and distributing it world wide while also pretending to care about the citizen's health... Keep kowtowing SR.

[koriwhat]

lol poor libs lashing out over Biden's failure

Lol WeebsTheDweeb calling all us unvaccinated "rats"... I wonder who else related the same of a certain demo of people back in the 1930's-40's Germany?

Either way, no one is scared of a Weebo when shit truly hits the fan. No one!

[spurraider21]

Communism is creating a bioweapon and distributing it world wide while also pretending to care about the citizen's health... Keep kowtowing SR.
must have missed that in my poly sci classes