Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[baseline bum]

Such doom & gloom in this thread. Let's try to be optimistic.

Assuming actual cases is 20x confirmed cases and deaths is reasonably accurate, we only have ~500k deaths to go before the US can move on from the covid era.

So cheer up people.

Weren't you posting the antibodies were only good for like 60 days though? How would the virus ever burn out with such a short immunity phase? Wouldn't it just be a forest fire with effectively never-ending fuel in that case?

[pgardn]

Weren't you posting the antibodies were only good for like 60 days though? How would the virus ever burn out with such a short immunity phase? Wouldn't it just be a forest fire with effectively never-ending fuel in that case?

Actually Antibodies are not the only defense mechanism. There are cells that "eat" other viral infected cells directly or viruses directly if they encounter the viral antigen.
But its really not good news if the body does not recognize the 2nd exposure to the virus quickly.
Antibodies greatly aid the "clean up" cells by binding to the active virus in your body or cells that display the viral antigen. They help the "eater/clean up" cells find virus and cells infected with the virus.

Hope this makes sense, because it is important.

[SnakeBoy]

Weren't you posting the antibodies were only good for like 60 days though? How would the virus ever burn out with such a short immunity phase? Wouldn't it just be a forest fire with effectively never-ending fuel in that case?

Hey I'm trying to be optimistic with the "only ~500k deaths to go" scenario

Don't be a downer :lol

[baseline bum]

Hey I'm trying to be optimistic with the "only ~500k deaths to go" scenario

Don't be a downer :lol

Just wondering if any of will outlive the COVID era. :lol Or if it's something that'll take many generations of evolution by natural selection in humans until our population has enough resistance for it to just be a cold like the other human coronaviruses.

[SnakeBoy]

Just wondering if any of will outlive the COVID era. :lol Or if it's something that'll take many generations of evolution by natural selection in humans until our population has enough resistance for it to just be a cold like the other human coronaviruses.

Natural selection in this case is a two way street so hopefully it doesn't take generations.

[baseline bum]

Actually Antibodies are not the only defense mechanism. There are cells that "eat" other viral infected cells directly or viruses directly if they encounter the viral antigen.
But its really not good news if the body does not recognize the 2nd exposure to the virus quickly.
Antibodies greatly aid the "clean up" cells by binding to the active virus in your body or cells that display the viral antigen. They help the "eater/clean up" cells find virus and cells infected with the virus.

Hope this makes sense, because it is important.

Sorry, I'm ducks when it comes to life sciences.

[hater]

You just gotta cross out the potential end games one by one tbqh.

Vaccines are out (1/2 ppl wont take them :lol)
Herd immunity is a myth especially without vaccines
Treatments are viable
Mutations to a less harmful disease is also very viable

But then again yes this could remain a 10x stronger flu for decades. But with combination of the 2 latter, life will slowly go back to close to normal. Well be fine in 2 years save a new virus tbqh

[tholdren]

You just gotta cross out the potential end games one by one tbqh.

Vaccines are out (1/2 ppl wont take them :lol)
Herd immunity is a myth especially without vaccines
Treatments are viable
Mutations to a less harmful disease is also very viable

But then again yes this could remain a 10x stronger flu for decades. But with combination of the 2 latter, life will slowly go back to close to normal. Well be fine in 2 years save a new virus tbqh

its not even 2x the flu now.

[hater]

its not even 2x the flu now.

My homey just got it. It's definitely way more than 2x the flu. He's healthy and young(late 30s) his fever been going up and down for over 1 week, he's been to the ER 3 times due to various body pains.

Sorry to break it to you nig

[boutons_deux]

Feds planning to ‘blitz’ test in Texas to find young adults silently spreading COVID-19

People under age 39 make up a growing share of positive coronavirus cases in Dallas County

Federal officials are developing plans for a “blitz” of testing in Texas and other states to find young adults who have no symptoms and may be unknowingly spreading the coronavirus.

The effort would target people under age 35 in “moderate sized” communities, which have not yet been named.
“The strategy would be to surge test,”

“You would do the number of tests you do in a month in just a few days, to try to make sure we identify these asymptomatics and get a better handle on them.”

Texas, Florida and Louisiana,

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/07/01/feds-planning-to-blitz-test-in-texas-to-find-young-adults-silently-spreading-covid-19 (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/07/01/feds-planning-to-blitz-test-in-texas-to-find-young-adults-silently-spreading-covid-19/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Texas+Lt++Gov++Dan+Patrick+s+criticism +of+Dr++Anthony+Fauci%2C+young+adults+being+target ed+for+COVID-19+testing+in+Texas%2C+campaigning+in+the+time+of+ the+coronavirus&utm_campaign=politics_07022020)

[pgardn]

My homey just got it. It's definitely way more than 2x the flu. He's healthy and young(late 30s) his fever been going up and down for over 1 week, he's been to the ER 3 times due to various body pains.

Sorry to break it to you nig

people start to believe as more and more people are infected and it directly affects them. Luckily you live in the US which allows you to express your views with others on one of the most lenient boards I have ever seen.

since you do appear to like to express your opinion you probably don’t want to go to Russia. Just saying...

[TimDunkem]

people start to believe as more and more people are infected and it directly affects them. Luckily you live in the US which allows you to express your views with others on one of the most lenient boards I have ever seen.

since you do appear to like to express your opinion you probably don’t want to go to Russia. Just saying...
CNN was at Methodist in SA and interviewed a doctor there. Don't have the clip but, to paraphrase, Dr. Jeffery Dellavolpe said: "Today was probably one of my worst days. I got ten calls, all of them young people. They're so sick, if they don't get that support, they're probably going to die. I have 3 beds."


Just the flu, hospitalizations flat, COVID deaths fake news, etc, etc.

[pgardn]

Sorry, I'm ducks when it comes to life sciences.

Honesty on this board?

No no No...

go back and make something up.
theoldren, sputacular and DMC implore you to fake it.

We would like antibodies and cells working together if we vaccinate someone.
Good vaccines help our bodies to find and eliminate the virus quickly so that the virus does not have a chance to spread in our bodies and cause the myriad of symptoms we are seeing now.

I still hold out hope that a vaccine for this can be produced much quicker than for other viruses like the flu. The flu vaccine changes year to year due to the fact that we get many different types of flu viruses year after year but we are familiar with how to predict and produce a vaccine that will have the greatest likelihood of being effective

this virus gives very simple signals that it is present in the body. A vaccine should theoretically be easy, so easy that if you were going to give vaccine manufacturers a virus profile to try to make a vaccine for you would definitely pick this one.

but testing and then production is a whole different subject. I am just happy to know that on the molecular level, this virus is simple. what it does after it gets into bodies is not.
the symptoms vary greatly and as you know, it is extraordinarily easy to get infected.

[pgardn]

CNN was at Methodist in SA and interviewed a doctor there. Don't have the clip but, to paraphrase, Dr. Jeffery Dellavolpe said: "Today was probably one of my worst days. I got ten calls, all of them young people. They're so sick, if they don't get that support, they're probably going to die. I have 3 beds."


Just the flu, hospitalizations flat, COVID deaths fake news, etc, etc.

my wife works in a lab.
The doctors come in all the time and they are very worried.
some of these doctors thankfully are very curious and are trying to get a better diagnostic feel for what this virus has in common person to person. The hematology people in the lab seem to think the virus causes a very similar type of weird white blood cell to show up

I am thankful for all the medical workers that are corresponding with each other to try to get a grasp of what is going on. too bad we don’t have the leader ship to get a more coordinated effort

[BSfromTX]

Honesty on this board?

No no No...

go back and make something up.
theoldren, sputacular and DMC implore you to fake it.

We would like antibodies and cells working together if we vaccinate someone.
Good vaccines help our bodies to find and eliminate the virus quickly so that the virus does not have a chance to spread in our bodies and cause the myriad of symptoms we are seeing now.

I still hold out hope that a vaccine for this can be produced much quicker than for other viruses like the flu. The flu vaccine changes year to year due to the fact that we get many different types of flu viruses year after year but we are familiar with how to predict and produce a vaccine that will have the greatest likelihood of being effective

this virus gives very simple signals that it is present in the body. A vaccine should theoretically be easy, so easy that if you were going to give vaccine manufacturers a virus profile to try to make a vaccine for you would definitely pick this one.

but testing and then production is a whole different subject. I am just happy to know that on the molecular level, this virus is simple. what it does after it gets into bodies is not.
the symptoms vary greatly and as you know, it is extraordinarily easy to get infected.

vaccination should never be quick. This virus creates an immune response in some individuals that can not be explained yet. That would suggest something unique in those patients, perhaps genetic or even previous vaccinations. A rushed vaccine could be harmful for those people.

[baseline bum]

CNN was at Methodist in SA and interviewed a doctor there. Don't have the clip but, to paraphrase, Dr. Jeffery Dellavolpe said: "Today was probably one of my worst days. I got ten calls, all of them young people. They're so sick, if they don't get that support, they're probably going to die. I have 3 beds."


Just the flu, hospitalizations flat, COVID deaths fake news, etc, etc.

Here it is

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[TimDunkem]

vaccination should never be quick. This virus creates an immune response in some individuals that can not be explained yet. That would suggest something unique in those patients, perhaps genetic or even previous vaccinations. A rushed vaccine could be harmful for those people.

Yet Operation Warp Speed is doing just that. Lol

[TimDunkem]

Here it is

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Two things to note:

1. That interview is at least a day old so the situation is worse and will get worse today, tomorrow, etc.

2. Methodist was already at surge capacity. Those 3 beds he mentioned are probably part of those extra beds. Soon people will be spilling out into the parking lot.

[TimDunkem]

th:lolldren about to lose his shit. Even his NICU beds are filling up. :wow

[hater]

Thats too hyperbole. 98% of ppl will NOT die. So saying "if you wanna see aug 1 is a bit much imo

[baseline bum]

Two things to note:

1. That interview is at least a day old so the situation is worse and will get worse today, tomorrow, etc.

2. Methodist was already at surge capacity. Those 3 beds he mentioned are probably part of those extra beds. Soon people will be spilling out into the parking lot.

Sobering to see the hospital most of my family has been using for decades in such dire straits, especially when we're still so early in this. I can't imagine what the place is going to look like in 3-4 weeks. Well I can, refrigerated trucks like New York or death panels like Italy. :depressed

[TimDunkem]

Thats too hyperbole. 98% of ppl will NOT die. So saying "if you wanna see aug 1 is a bit much imo

Don't know who threw that 98% out there but, remember bro, death rate doesn't matter right now. Methodist is almost filled and that's a huge conplex. Whatever the percentage is, it will rise if this doesn't stop somehow. What worries me is that nothing is going to stop the train of this week and the next that's coming.

[TimDunkem]

Sobering to see the hospital most of my family has been using for decades in such dire straits, especially when we're still so early in this. I can't imagine what the place is going to look like in 3-4 weeks. Well I can, refrigerated trucks like New York or death panels like Italy. :depressed

Kinda got flashbacks to the death panels when he mentioned making those hard decisions with so many patients and so few beds. :(

[TimDunkem]

Also, jfc, a garden hose through your groin to your heart or a vent.

Yeah, fuck that.

[boutons_deux]

From what I'm reading, a vaccine available to Ms or Bs is well into 2021.

US paid $70M to develop remdesivir, a does costs $3100, saves only 20% to 30% of victims.

Gilead making bank

How secret deals could keep a COVID-19 drug out of reach for millions

agreements that activists say will restrict global access to remdesivir,

signed confidential licensing deals with nine pharmaceutical manufacturers — including seven in India — that would prevent the generic version of the drug from being distributed in dozens of countries, including the U.S., that account for nearly half the world’s population.

the licenses allow Gilead to control the global supply of its patented drug even as the World Health Organization warns the COVID-19 pandemic is entering a “new and dangerous phase.”

Gilead has said (https://www.gilead.com/purpose/advancing-global-health/covid-19/voluntary-licensing-agreements-for-remdesivir) they allow for a cheaper, generic form of remdesivir to be distributed in 127 countries, including nearly all of the world’s poorest nations.

the agreements exclude countries with some of the worst coronavirus outbreaks — including the U.S., Brazil, Russia, Britain and Peru — leading to allegations that Gilead aims to sell only its much costlier, name-brand version of the drug in middle-income and wealthy nations that are desperate for the treatment.

“Gilead excluded these countries because they have commercial potential and because Gilead wants to reserve the right to prevent competition and charge higher prices.”

The companysays (https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/2020/6/an-open-letter-from-daniel-oday-chairman--ceo-gilead-sciences) the prices are fair when compared with the cost of a longer hospital stay. :lol

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-07-01/gilead-patent-limits-access-to-covid-19-drug-remdesivir (https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-07-01/gilead-patent-limits-access-to-covid-19-drug-remdesivir?utm_source=sfmc_100035609&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=27097+Essential+California+07%2f02%2f 20&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.latimes.com%2fworld-nation%2fstory%2f2020-07-01%2fgilead-patent-limits-access-to-covid-19-drug-remdesivir&utm_id=9305&sfmc_id=665585)

For-profit Capitalist health care! What's not to hate

[pgardn]

vaccination should never be quick. This virus creates an immune response in some individuals that can not be explained yet. That would suggest something unique in those patients, perhaps genetic or even previous vaccinations. A rushed vaccine could be harmful for those people.

The vaccine itself will not contain the virus.

Hardly any vaccines even contain attenuated viruses anymore.

Now you could be right if just some simple protein causing all these problems but that is very unlikely imo.
And the usual suspects that react to vaccines anyway should not be getting vaccinated.


And quick is a relative term. It has taken many years to get vaccines that have the least number of side effects.
But at the same time, we know a lot more about how to make them and potential pitfalls.

I am hopeful. Mostly because its all ive got right now.
We may just have to live with this thing for a number of years.
And our health care system under orange man CANNOT bear this burden unless, hospitals, doctors, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, etc... wont come after payment from individuals who have used them.

[hater]

Don't know who threw that 98% out there but, remember bro, death rate doesn't matter right now. Methodist is almost filled and that's a huge conplex. Whatever the percentage is, it will rise if this doesn't stop somehow. What worries me is that nothing is going to stop the train of this week and the next that's coming.

True deathrate of the virus is close to 2%

I just dont like the lies either way

- dont wear a mask (lie)
- you wont see aug 1 unless... (lie)

[pgardn]

Here it is

1278651737658871808

theoldren popping off about no problem
gone now

I told people on this board if they were so sure there was not a human shortage to go volunteer at the Methodist.

[boutons_deux]

‘Deplorable’: Trump condemned as America buys up nearly entire supply of COVID-19 drug

“It’s a very concerning precedent because if we see the vaccine coming from a U.S. company,

we’re likely to see the same type of behavior and hoarding by the U.S. and other developed countries.”

Most of the world will not be able to make use of a modestly effective Covid-19 treatment for at least the next three months

because the Trump administration this week bought up nearly the entire supply (https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/06/29/trump-administration-secures-new-supplies-remdesivir-united-states.html) of the drug,

a move critics said

exposes the potentially deadly consequences of the U.S. president’s so-called “America First (https://twitter.com/ProfMESmith/status/1278213864358723585)” approach

in the context of a pandemic that has swept the globe.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/deplorable-trump-condemned-as-america-buys-up-nearly-entire-supply-of-covid-19-drug/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4899

Remember that CPB/DHS was hijacking/stealing arrivals of PPE bought by the states?

[boutons_deux]

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS WAIVING THE PUBLIC’S RIGHT TO AFFORDABLE CORONAVIRUS TREATMENTS

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has failed to include intellectual property and pricing protections

in at least four contracts for drugs to combat Covid-19.

Legal safeguards meant to ensure that products developed with federal funds are affordable and widely available were missing from the contracts,

which are worth more than $1 billion

and were released along with other documents last week in response to freedom of information requests.

The omissions make it more likely that potentially

lifesaving treatments and vaccines may be priced out of reach,

even as the spiraling financial and health crises increase the need for affordable drugs.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/01/coronavirus-treatment-drug-contracts-trump/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter (https://theintercept.com/2020/07/01/coronavirus-treatment-drug-contracts-trump/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter)

[RandomGuy]

my wife works in a lab.
The doctors come in all the time and they are very worried.
some of these doctors thankfully are very curious and are trying to get a better diagnostic feel for what this virus has in common person to person. The hematology people in the lab seem to think the virus causes a very similar type of weird white blood cell to show up

I am thankful for all the medical workers that are corresponding with each other to try to get a grasp of what is going on. too bad we don’t have the leader ship to get a more coordinated effort

Eyup. That is the strength of the US medical system right there. A lot of smart, dedicated people who talk to each other. Humans can be pretty awesome.

[RandomGuy]

theoldren popping off about no problem
gone now

I told people on this board if they were so sure there was not a human shortage to go volunteer at the Methodist.

Eyup. Shittiest poster ever, and that includes koriwhat and some of the other conspiracy asshats. 15 years I have been here, and it is no contest. Still sort of amazed.

[SnakeBoy]

Sobering to see the hospital most of my family has been using for decades in such dire straits, especially when we're still so early in this. I can't imagine what the place is going to look like in 3-4 weeks. Well I can, refrigerated trucks like New York or death panels like Italy. :depressed

Methodist is not overwhelmed at the moment. Busy but not overwhelmed.

Wife has practiced there 23 years. She's on the call up list so I'll know when they are overwhelmed.

Yesterday the senior partner came in to assure her that they would cover her practice should Methodist call her up. She thought "what a nice gesture" until last night when she it occurred to her "oh shit did he hear something" :lol

[TimDunkem]

"It was an eye opener. Of all the ones that I've seen." - CNN reporter who was in Houston and NYC after his visit to Methodist.
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[hater]

RiP texas ma nigs

[SnakeBoy]

"It was an eye opener. Of all the ones that I've seen." - CNN anchor who was in Houston and NYC after his visit to Methodist.
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Well, I could've been an actor, but I wound up here

[baseline bum]

RiP texas ma nigs

At least Thread is going faster to the mass graves than I am, thank you Arizona. Gotta take the small wins when you can in times like these.

[ChumpDumper]

SnakeBoy with the crisis actor card.

[TSA]

China Never Reported Existence of Coronavirus to World Health Organization
WHO backtracks on original claim that China self-reported, admits this never happened
https://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-never-reported-existence-of-coronavirus-to-world-health-organization/

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, Red China bad. All this shit happening now is on us and us alone.

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/detroitnews/status/1278738145907863552

[tholdren]

Yes, Red China bad. All this shit happening now is on us and us alone.
The global hysteria is on the us alone? Media and ChumpDumper gossip

[ChumpDumper]

The global hysteria is on the us alone? Media and ChumpDumper gossipAll your lies are on you.

Why do you lie all the time?

[tholdren]

All your lies are on you.

Why do you lie all the time?

beahahhahahhah no substance so the same thing over and over for months. Lol

[ChumpDumper]

beahahhahahhah no substance so the same thing over and over for months. LolYou've done nothing but lie.

Why do you lie all the time?

[tholdren]

You've done nothing but lie.

Why do you lie all the time?

Months of the above. Look at that logic.

[ChumpDumper]

Months of the above. Look at that logic.:lol meltdown

[hater]

When it rains it pours :lol

Black Plague making a comeback :lmao

https://twitter.com/siberian_times/status/1278772138439147520?s=19

[leemajors]

Eyup. Shittiest poster ever, and that includes koriwhat and some of the other conspiracy asshats. 15 years I have been here, and it is no contest. Still sort of amazed.

Nope, Avante

[TimDunkem]

Nope, Avante

Tholdren said he was an athlete and NBA players have no skill. He has some of Avante's worst traits, tbh.

[pgardn]

Methodist is not overwhelmed at the moment. Busy but not overwhelmed.

Wife has practiced there 23 years. She's on the call up list so I'll know when they are overwhelmed.

Yesterday the senior partner came in to assure her that they would cover her practice should Methodist call her up. She thought "what a nice gesture" until last night when she it occurred to her "oh shit did he hear something" :lol

ON THE CALL LIST.
So she works on a Covid floor as a doctor at the hospital?
What floor? She goes to every floor?

[SnakeBoy]

ON THE CALL LIST.
So she works on a Covid floor at the hospital?

No. At the beginning of this Methodist put together a list of volunteer physicians with hospital privileges to work covid cases should it come to that. That's what I meant by call up list, not ON CALL list.

She's actually been out of the hospital since sometime in March I think. The hospitalist group that covered her pts on the weekends was so slow due to the lockdown they asked to take her hospital coverage all the time.

[pgardn]

No. At the beginning of this Methodist put together a list of volunteer physicians with hospital privileges to work covid cases should it come to that. That's what I meant by call up list, not ON CALL list.

She's actually been out of the hospital since sometime in March I think. The hospitalist group that covered her pts on the weekends was so slow due to the lockdown they asked to take her hospital coverage all the time.

Well that makes sense and thats good for you guys. Very good.
And that is actually very nice that she volunteered.
Because there are overworked people there. And they are hiring. Nurses work very hard as she has to know.

[tholdren]

Tholdren said he was an athlete and NBA players have no skill. He has some of Avante's worst traits, tbh.
Nba going to draft lamelo ball as a top pick.

No.talent.

[TimDunkem]

Nba going to draft lamelo ball as a top pick.

No.talent.

You had more talent in HS, right?

[tholdren]

You had more talent in HS, right? 90 percent of high school starters can shoot better than 25 percent from 3 and 37 percent overall.

Nba stopped being a talent league in the 90s

[TimDunkem]

90 percent of high school starters can shoot better than 25 percent from 3 and 37 percent overall.

Nba stopped being a talent league in the 90s

Did you have more talent in HS than the average NBA player today?

[tholdren]

I already stated 90 percent of high school starters now are better than lamelo ball. please name the last NBA draft pick in the top 3 that shot 37pct fg.

[TimDunkem]

I alrwady stated 90 percent of high school starters now are better than lamelo ball. Name please name the last NBA draft pick in the top 3 that shot 37pct fg.

But did YOU have more skill than the average NBA player today?

[tholdren]

But did YOU have more skill than the average NBA player today?

Lol you are triggered that you are marketed to a business selling entertainment, you are duped, just like you were marketed for covid fear.

No talent
2x flu.

You lost.

[TimDunkem]

Lol you are triggered that you are marketed to a business selling entertainment, you are duped, just like you were marketed for covid fear.

No talent
2x flu.

You lost.
The fuck? What are you talking about?

All I'm asking is if you think you had more basketball skill at your athletic peak than the average NBA player today. That's all.

[CosmicCowboy]

Fuck. The average D league player would smoke the fuck out of the top street/gym ball players. It's just a fact.

[TimDunkem]

Fuck. The average D league player would smoke the fuck out of the top street/gym ball players. It's just a fact.
But not high schoolers according to tholdren (including himself back when he was in HS in the 60s).

[tholdren]

The fuck? What are you talking about?

All I'm asking is if you think you had more basketball skill at your athletic peak than the average NBA player today. That's all.
Lololol bolding and triggered. Wrong about having covid and turned this into why a player that shoots 37pct from field will be a top pick in today's no talent NBA. Lol

[TimDunkem]

Lololol bolding and triggered. Wrong about having covid and turned this into why a player that shoots 37pct from field will be a top pick in today's no talent NBA. Lol

Did you have more skills at your peak than the average NBA player? It's a simple yes or no question. Not sure why you can't answer.

[CosmicCowboy]

Most high school studs arent used to having someone as equally gifted matching them move for move defensively with a hand in their face.

[SnakeBoy]

https://twitter.com/detroitnews/status/1278738145907863552

50% reduction in mortality counts as "significantly". Weird all the antiTrumpers who were "hoping" it worked haven't commented.

[ChumpDumper]

50% reduction in mortality counts as "significantly". Weird all the antiTrumpers who were "hoping" it worked haven't commented.It's great news if true.

Sorry I didn't say so in a timely enough manner for you and the other Trump supporters. I know you need all the good news you can get seeing as you support Trump.

[ElNono]

50% reduction in mortality counts as "significantly". Weird all the antiTrumpers who were "hoping" it worked haven't commented.

The problem is that studies with larger samples (like the Oxford one, which had almost twice as many samples) returned the opposite conclusion, which is why almost nobody at this point recommends hydroxychloroquine for covid treatment.

It's probably the most scrutinized and tested drug against covid at this time, and it's truly unfortunate it didn't work out. Thankfully, there's other alternatives out there now.

[SnakeBoy]

The problem is that studies with larger samples (like the Oxford one, which had almost twice as many samples) returned the opposite conclusion, which is why almost nobody at this point recommends hydroxychloroquine for covid treatment.

It's probably the most scrutinized and tested drug against covid at this time, and it's truly unfortunate it didn't work out. Thankfully, there's other alternatives out there now.

The Recovery trial only showed it doesn't help already severely ill. Remdesivir has no significant reduction in mortality. Dexamethasone 30% reduction.

We'll have to see what the actual study shows once published but a 50% reduction in mortality isn't going to be ignored in the medical community especially when it's from a Ford study. It won't matter that you've declared it useless.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol SnakeBoy really gets upset about this drug.

[ElNono]

The Recovery trial only showed it doesn't help already severely ill. Remdesivir has no significant reduction in mortality. Dexamethasone 30% reduction.

We'll have to see what the actual study shows once published but a 50% reduction in mortality isn't going to be ignored in the medical community especially when it's from a Ford study. It won't matter that you've declared it useless.

I didn't declare it useless, I was pointing out the WHO and NIH both did, and most hospital systems worldwide follow those recommendations. In the UK I've read they're restarting a test with it two days ago for medical personnel.

Dexamethasone was a solid find so far, and hopefully there's more on the way.

[hater]

RIP Kahbibs father killed by Rona.

[pgardn]

Fuck. The average D league player would smoke the fuck out of the top street/gym ball players. It's just a fact.

[pgardn]

The Recovery trial only showed it doesn't help already severely ill. Remdesivir has no significant reduction in mortality. Dexamethasone 30% reduction.

We'll have to see what the actual study shows once published but a 50% reduction in mortality isn't going to be ignored in the medical community especially when it's from a Ford study. It won't matter that you've declared it useless.

at this point we can all reach for our favorite cure to get us out of this mess.
my particular pet is a vaccine and even if we make a really good one it’s got to be tested in mass produced.

there’s just so much we don’t know, we just keep going around in circles hoping
eventually will figure it out or figure out how to live with it as a constant in our lives hopefully like the common cold.

since there is no real leader ship who gives us information, tells us why it might be wrong, and then what the next step is depending on various situations....

we can all just throw shit around.
theoldren has found the perfect niche for purposeful lying

[tholdren]

at this point we can all reach for our favorite cure to get us out of this mess.
my particular pet is a vaccine and even if we make a really good one it’s got to be tested in mass produced.

there’s just so much we don’t know, we just keep going around in circles hoping
eventually will figure it out or figure out how to live with it as a constant in our lives hopefully like the common cold.

since there is no real leader ship who gives us information, tells us why it might be wrong, and then what the next step is depending on various situations....

we can all just throw shit around.
theoldren has found the perfect niche for purposeful lying

Less than 2x flu is covid ifr

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/107091653_151562576506751_3520454850770854444_n.pn g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=dw5qU0_oDUQAX_C8BWI&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=a334d1f7e786d155fb4bbea2fa9252f5&oe=5F241802

[Dirks_Finale]

The problem is that studies with larger samples (like the Oxford one, which had almost twice as many samples) returned the opposite conclusion, which is why almost nobody at this point recommends hydroxychloroquine for covid treatment.

It's probably the most scrutinized and tested drug against covid at this time, and it's truly unfortunate it didn't work out. Thankfully, there's other alternatives out there now.With the results of this study it is almost certainly back on the table. It is said to prevent the cytokine storm that essentially burns down the house trying to protect you. If you wait until the house is already smoldering to administer, it will be of no use, obviously.

The reason this drug became a thing for COVID in the first place is because the Chinese were noticing they were not getting any Lupus patients in their ICU's. Obviously they were already on hydroxychloriquine upon infection.

[ElNono]

With the results of this study it is almost certainly back on the table. It is said to prevent the cytokine storm that essentially burns down the house trying to protect you. If you wait until the house is already smoldering to administer, it will be of no use, obviously.

The reason this drug became a thing for COVID in the first place is because the Chinese were noticing they were not getting any Lupus patients in their ICU's. Obviously they were already on hydroxychloriquine upon infection.

What you're saying is that it should be used as a prophylactic, instead of treatment, which is why it has been tested quite a bit on medical personnel, but that's not what the study claims.

That said, I have zero problems with doing further studies on this drug, tbh... and as we can see, there's studies still ongoing. Any tool you can add to the arsenal to fight this thing is welcome.

[MannyIsGod]

Has this been posted?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-covid-chicago-protests-reopening-20200703-ahzru4vurjc6zjliohbcrvl3ji-story.html

I'm sure its going to be written off completely and will trigger some people.

[TSA]

The problem is that studies with larger samples (like the Oxford one, which had almost twice as many samples) returned the opposite conclusion, which is why almost nobody at this point recommends hydroxychloroquine for covid treatment.

It's probably the most scrutinized and tested drug against covid at this time, and it's truly unfortunate it didn't work out. Thankfully, there's other alternatives out there now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1279129597968134145

[Reck]

Noooo not Jimmie!

1279182152723243009

The F1 boys are back at it this weekend as well. Plenty of masks but saw very little social distancing.

It's hard to keep pit crews distanced when your job is not to be. This will end up the same.

[TSA]

Has this been posted?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-covid-chicago-protests-reopening-20200703-ahzru4vurjc6zjliohbcrvl3ji-story.html

I'm sure its going to be written off completely and will trigger some people.
Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti now admits protests in the city DID lead to a spike in coronavirus cases after he previously insisted there was no link
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8485893/Los-Angeles-Mayor-Eric-Garcetti-admits-protests-led-spike-coronavirus-cases.html

[ElNono]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1279129597968134145

Keep the studies coming, tbh... it should be noted that Todaro jumped the gun with at least the Sinai one...

Due to the inherent limitations of our retrospective study design, there was no conclusive determination on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19.

That's right there on the paper. Also, the first study only encompasses 141 patients.

Like I said, this is the most scrutinized and tested drug against covid at this time, which makes it kind of weird we continue to see such diverging results and conclusions, tbh... (and by that I don't mean I'm skeptic, just genuinely curious what's that due to).

[Dirks_Finale]

Not necessarily a prophylactic because I don't think it totally prevents it, but I do think it prevents, in some cases, less severity of symptoms.

The problem is there is no way to predict who's immune system is more prone to self destruct. So we don't know who to administer the drug on. My wife takes it for RA and it's potent...can make you go blind, so obvious risk involved.

And I agree. Maybe a cocktail of this drug + Zinc + Remdesivir + The steroid + VIT D ultimately becomes the norm in treating this virus.


What you're saying is that it should be used as a prophylactic, instead of treatment, which is why it has been tested quite a bit on medical personnel, but that's not what the study claims.

That said, I have zero problems with doing further studies on this drug, tbh... and as we can see, there's studies still ongoing. Any tool you can add to the arsenal to fight this thing is welcome.

[TSA]

Keep the studies coming, tbh... it should be noted that Todaro jumped the gun with at least the Sinai one...

Due to the inherent limitations of our retrospective study design, there was no conclusive determination on the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19.

That's right there on the paper. Also, the first study only encompasses 141 patients.

Like I said, this is the most scrutinized and tested drug against covid at this time, which makes it kind of weird we continue to see such diverging results and conclusions, tbh... (and by that I don't mean I'm skeptic, just genuinely curious what's that due to).

Biggest difference in studies seem to be addition of zinc and stage of sickness delivered. Whatever the fuck works is great. I’ll never understand the rooting against certain remedies...not saying you have.

[hater]

Not necessarily a prophylactic because I don't think it totally prevents it, but I do think it prevents, in some cases, less severity of symptoms.

The problem is there is no way to predict who's immune system is more prone to self destruct. So we don't know who to administer the drug on. My wife takes it for RA and it's potent...can make you go blind, so obvious risk involved.

And I agree. Maybe a cocktail of this drug + Zinc + Remdesivir + The steroid + VIT D ultimately becomes the norm in treating this virus.

A shot of Lysol a day keeps the doctor at bay

[tholdren]

Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti now admits protests in the city DID lead to a spike in coronavirus cases after he previously insisted there was no link
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8485893/Los-Angeles-Mayor-Eric-Garcetti-admits-protests-led-spike-coronavirus-cases.html
Lol but all the protestors were keeping 6 feet, not talkIng, and wearing masks! Thats how peaceful protests work!

Again, support the protest. But the hypocrisy for closing beaches is crazy not to mention absent of science.

[Dirks_Finale]

The hard right still claims Trump didn't actually say that, or mean that :lol

If he was being sarcastic then he is the greatest actor of all time.


A shot of Lysol a day keeps the doctor at bay

[ChumpDumper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1279129597968134145Hey, good news if it can be repeated.

Hopefully that's in time for SnakeBoy.

[ChumpDumper]

Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti now admits protests in the city DID lead to a spike in coronavirus cases after he previously insisted there was no link
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8485893/Los-Angeles-Mayor-Eric-Garcetti-admits-protests-led-spike-coronavirus-cases.htmlHe never said spike.

Fake news.

[ElNono]

Biggest difference in studies seem to be addition of zinc and stage of sickness delivered. Whatever the fuck works is great. I’ll never understand the rooting against certain remedies...not saying you have.

IIRC, the combo with Zinc has been in the mix since the start. At least, I recall people mentioning it here way back when.

Even if it proves not to be as effective as other drugs, you always want to build up your toolbox. Just like there's some people that can't take this due to vision/hearth side-effects, there will be people that can't take other drugs for the same reason.

[tholdren]

Hey, good news if it can be repeated.

Hopefully that's in time for SnakeBoy.

Az ca and tx have an ifr of less than flu. But but but

[TSA]

IIRC, the combo with Zinc has been in the mix since the start. At least, I recall people mentioning it here way back when.

Even if it proves not to be as effective as other drugs, you always want to build up your toolbox. Just like there's some people that can't take this due to vision/hearth side-effects, there will be people that can't take other drugs for the same reason.

It has been in the mix, but the biggest studies released declaring it ineffective didn’t include it from what I remember.

[ElNono]

It has been in the mix, but the biggest studies released declaring it ineffective didn’t include it from what I remember.

Actually, some of the newer studies are using combos with drugs like Azithromycin, which are also under trial to verify their efficacy standalone.

[boutons_deux]

the key is to keep the acquired immune system from overreacting, which is why immuno-suppresants are being used.

same drugs are used in auto-immune diseases, esp extreme cases.

When Trash pimped HCQ, he caused shortages, which caused lupus victims to find none of it, and/or pay exorbitant prices.

Lupus can be very hard to diagnose since the symptoms can be extremely varies,

just like they are finding that C19 immune attacks are causing all kinds of weird and varying symptoms.

[tholdren]

Spurstalk is hilarious because of the above. Once they are proven wrong about the significance of something they move right on to the subsidies and try to gossip

[DarrinS]

HCQ probably works because it is a zinc ionophore. Quercetin can do the same.


The moment I show symptoms of this, I have mass doses of C, zinc, and quercetin.

I'm already on 2000 IU of vit. D daily.

I think I already had covid in March, but, whatever.

[boutons_deux]

nobody forget that the docs stopped using HCQ cause it was not saving people, but killing them

[DarrinS]

Spurstalk is hilarious because of the above. Once they are proven wrong about the significance of something they move right on to the subsidies and try to gossip

This disease is a Nothingburger for some, but deadly for others.

[DarrinS]

nobody forget that the docs stopped using HCQ cause it was not saving people, but killing them

They didn't stop using it

[tholdren]

This disease is a Nothingburger for some, but deadly for others.

and that is fine. But when people start losing their right to feel a certain way, that isn't okay. Covid and protests both proving the same intolerance. Sad

[TSA]

https://mobile.twitter.com/wesbury/status/1279218148298960902

small sample size but some light

[TSA]

nobody forget that the docs stopped using HCQ cause it was not saving people, but killing them

doctors around the world are still using it

[tholdren]

fake news

[Dirks_Finale]

I had all those damn symptoms in Dec! I think it's been here months before that, tbh


HCQ probably works because it is a zinc ionophore. Quercetin can do the same.


The moment I show symptoms of this, I have mass doses of C, zinc, and quercetin.

I'm already on 2000 IU of vit. D daily.

I think I already had covid in March, but, whatever.

[Reck]

Trump’s people are falling like flies and I love it.

Trump’s Jr. girlfriend has tested positive for the virus. :lmao If we’re lucky she dies along with everyone closed to Trump.

[hater]

https://mobile.twitter.com/wesbury/status/1279218148298960902

small sample size but some light

Nice cartoon niga

But herd immunity is a myth especially without a reliable vaccine

Herd immunity basically means worse case scenario where everyone who would die will die

[DarrinS]

Nice cartoon niga

But herd immunity is a myth especially without a reliable vaccine

Herd immunity basically means worse case scenario where everyone who would die will die


No

[DarrinS]

I had all those damn symptoms in Dec! I think it's been here months before that, tbh

There was some analysis of sewage in Spain that showed it was there in the spring of 2019.

[tholdren]

Nice cartoon niga

But herd immunity is a myth especially without a reliable vaccine

Herd immunity basically means worse case scenario where everyone who would die will die

Lol this guy is so ignorant he disregards every flu season lol

[DarrinS]

Trump’s people are falling like flies and I love it.

Trump’s Jr. girlfriend has tested positive for the virus. :lmao If we’re lucky she dies along with everyone closed to Trump.

I hope you don't die.

[DarrinS]

It's odd to wish death on people you disagree with.

[tholdren]

It's odd to wish death on people you disagree with.

they don't wish. They know its a fact that people who don't agree will die from covid. Yet science and math prove otherwise

[Reck]

I hope you don't die.

Lol don’t be a bitch, Darrin.

[tholdren]

Lol don’t be a bitch, Darrin.

you under 80 yes and no hwalth issues? 99.999999 you will live.

[Reck]

It's odd to wish death on people you disagree with.

Lol triggered.

Are you going to pretend you didn’t wished death on thousands when this first started ravaging people just because you felt safe in good old Texas? Goober fucktard.

[tholdren]

Lol triggered.

Are you going to pretend you didn’t wished death on thousands when this first started ravaging people just because you felt safe in good old Texas? Goober fucktard.

ifr in texas is less than flu. Name-calling doesnt prove your claim

[Reck]

you under 80 yes and no hwalth issues? 99.999999 you will live.

You do know the latest surge in cases and hospitalizations have been mostly of 37 and under, right?

Also 3 kids have died from this. In the teens.

[DarrinS]

Lol triggered.

Are you going to pretend you didn’t wished death on thousands when this first started ravaging people just because you felt safe in good old Texas? Goober fucktard.


Fuck you.

[tholdren]

You do know the latest surge in cases and hospitalizations have been mostly of 37 and under, right?

Also 3 kids have died from this. In the teens.

Youncant explain how hospitalization is calculated... so no you are incorrect

[ElNono]

https://mobile.twitter.com/wesbury/status/1279218148298960902

small sample size but some light

Would be interesting to see how this fares after peer review...

Title is a bit misleading, tbh... having an immune response to the virus (we all do, actually), is no indicator of immunity.

[tholdren]

Would be interesting to see how this fares after peer review...

Title is a bit misleading, tbh... having an immune response to the virus (we all do, actually), is no indicator of immunity.

lol but probable cases not misleading lol you

[ElNono]

lol but probable cases not misleading lol you

Why do you lie, tholdren? This is really the only question you need to answer.

[midnightpulp]

Why do you lie, tholdren? This is really the only question you need to answer.

Some people can't come to grips that life has to change for a little while, especially in The Nation of Spoiled Children. So they're reaching for anything that can downplay the situation.

[midnightpulp]

lol but probable cases not misleading lol you

And you're full of shit stating that the flu is less deadly than Covid in CA, AZ, TX. Quit lying and spreading dangerous misinfo.

https://i.imgur.com/xFoXjzw.png

California is currently at 6314 Covid deaths.

https://i.imgur.com/0mgHKEg.png

Arizona is currently at 1788 Covid deaths.

Texas combines Flu and Pneumonia deaths, so Covid hasn't caught up there yet. But here's the knockdown stat that should illustrate that Covid is more deadly.

https://i.imgur.com/uKNXDhs.png

You'll notice that the 2020 spike occurs past the weeks when we typically see deaths spike from the flu and pneumonia, so we can't really argue that flu plus Covid was responsible for this surge. It was Covid, and it caused many more pneumonia deaths than even the nasty 2018 Flu season. And we didn't lock down for the 2018 season.

[ElNono]

Some people can't come to grips that life has to change for a little while, especially in The Nation of Spoiled Children. So they're reaching for anything that can downplay the situation.

Well, if he's trolling, he's terrible at it, tbh... hopefully he is trolling though, the alternatives are not pretty...

[Dirks_Finale]

Damn
There was some analysis of sewage in Spain that showed it was there in the spring of 2019.

[hater]

Lol this guy is so ignorant he disregards every flu season lol

you said it flu season

flu does not spike in 90 degree heat like Covid

and as I said herd immunity is a myth in this case where there is no vaccine.

[Winehole23]

"Possible" Mutation update:


The coronavirus has mutated in a way that might help the pathogen spread more easily, White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Thursday.

Research is underway to confirm the possible mutation and its implications, Fauci said, adding that “there’s a little dispute about it.” Viruses naturally mutate and scientists have previously said they have observed minor mutations in the coronavirus that have not impacted its ability to spread or cause disease in any significant way.


The possible mutation that Fauci cited was reported (https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30820-5) on by investigators at Los Alamos National Laboratory in an article published by the journal Cell earlier Thursday. Virologists at Scripps Research in Florida also wrote (https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-events/press-room/2020/20200611-choe-farzan-sars-cov-2-spike-protein.html) about the mutation last month, saying it “enhances viral transmission.” It’s unclear when the mutation might have occurred.


“The data is showing there’s a single mutation that makes the virus be able to replicate better and maybe have high viral loads,” Fauci said in an interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5l5UGS9ngc) with The Journal of the American Medical Association’s Dr. Howard Bauchner. “We don’t have a connection to whether an individual does worse with this or not; it just seems that the virus replicates better and may be more transmissible.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/the-coronavirus-may-have-mutated-to-become-more-infectious-dr-anthony-fauci-says.html

[hater]

Called it on January :tu

[Winehole23]

which states meet CDC reopening criteria map, according to Goldman Sachs

http://econbrowser.com/archives/2020/07/cdc-criteria-not-met-out-of-4

[DMC]

:lol home of the CDC worst offender
:lol shows how much they trust the organization that says don't wear masks, oh btw wear masks.

[pgardn]

:lol home of the CDC worst offender
:lol shows how much they trust the organization that says don't wear masks, oh btw wear masks.

oh yeah we’ve never heard reversals from our current government

wow amazing news

[TimDunkem]

Florida hit 11,500 cases today which is as much as NY was seeing at the peak of infections.

[hater]

Damn my homie ended up infecting EVERYONE. His daughter, wife and parents.

This shit is no joke. I dont understand why US doesnt put infected on quarantine areas like china does. Its the only way.

US idiots just tell ppl to self quarantine at home which ends up infecting everyone in the house

[boutons_deux]

The Pandemic’s Big Mystery: How Deadly Is the Coronavirus?


Even with more than 500,000 dead worldwide,

scientists are struggling to learn how often the virus kills.

Here’s why.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/coronavirus-death-rate.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/04/health/coronavirus-death-rate.html)

[pgardn]

Damn my homie ended up infecting EVERYONE. His daughter, wife and parents.

This shit is no joke. I dont understand why US doesnt put infected on quarantine areas like china does. Its the only way.

US idiots just tell ppl to self quarantine at home which ends up infecting everyone in the house

Same with the pilots I know and my cousin.
I thought surely someone in the families would be spared.
Same household, same air and fluid, give it time, bingo.

The 2 married respiratory therapists that gave it to their single child seemed less chilling.

[tholdren]

Damn my homie ended up infecting EVERYONE. His daughter, wife and parents.

This shit is no joke. I dont understand why US doesnt put infected on quarantine areas like china does. Its the only way.

US idiots just tell ppl to self quarantine at home which ends up infecting everyone in the house

gossiping

[boutons_deux]

"Possible" Mutation update:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/02/the-coronavirus-may-have-mutated-to-become-more-infectious-dr-anthony-fauci-says.html

a "higher viral load" would probably mean a more severe immune reaction

[SnakeBoy]

I dont understand why US doesnt put infected on quarantine areas like china does. Its the only way.


Only way to what?

[hater]

Only way to what?

To control spread.

Well that and regional quarantines which we also dont do

[baseline bum]

Damn my homie ended up infecting EVERYONE. His daughter, wife and parents.

This shit is no joke. I dont understand why US doesnt put infected on quarantine areas like china does. Its the only way.

US idiots just tell ppl to self quarantine at home which ends up infecting everyone in the house

You can't jail people for being sick in the US. You gotta plant a gun or drugs on them first.

[hater]

You can't jail people for being sick in the US. You gotta plant a gun or drugs on them first.

Not jail. Quarantine. I beleive they do that on hurricanes and mandatory evacuations. This is the same deal tbqh

Trust me I have family in Vietnam and they do that and have like 300 cases. It sucks but seems to work.

[boutons_deux]

"I dont understand why US doesnt put infected on quarantine areas like china does. Its the only way."

:lol WTF

[boutons_deux]

All the pain, stress, disruption, expenses of the March-April shutdown has been wasted

USA is now back to zero, actually negative from zero,

thanks to Trash + Repugs and the Confederacy and red states

FUCKING IT ALL UP

Now what?

[ElNono]

You can't jail people for being sick in the US. You gotta plant a gun or drugs on them first.

why even bother jailing them? just put a knee on their neck, problem solved! do wear a mask when you do that though.

[Winehole23]

:lol home of the CDC worst offender
:lol shows how much they trust the organization that says don't wear masks, oh btw wear masks.Executive branch. Trump's own guidelines.

[tholdren]

Florida ifr less than flu. Attentuon ChumpDumper baseline bum TimDunkem RandomGuy pgardn


Oh no for you. Great news for science

[diego]

Not jail. Quarantine. I beleive they do that on hurricanes and mandatory evacuations. This is the same deal tbqh

Trust me I have family in Vietnam and they do that and have like 300 cases. It sucks but seems to work.

The way quarantine works is you have to get permits to go out. Essential workers have work permits, everyone else has a limited amount of permits for supplies, walking dogs, doctor visit, funerals.. most countries have been doing hard quarantines like that but obviously number and type of permits and ease of gaming the system makes them different, as well as the people's financial ability to lock down and comply.

Vietnam is probably the most successful country on Earth wrt containing corona, zero deaths in a country of 100m

[tholdren]

Florida ifr less than flu. Attentuon ChumpDumper baseline bum TimDunkem RandomGuy pgardn


Oh no for you. Great news for science

yikes

[Trill Clinton]

1279541020112367618

[Trainwreck2100]

1279541020112367618
didnt u get tested for it?

[vy65]

1279541020112367618

Nothing says Murica quite like dancing with some obese bitch in shit brown water while GNR blasts in the background

[Trill Clinton]

didnt u get tested for it?

Yea

[hater]

Vietnam is probably the most successful country on Earth wrt containing corona, zero deaths in a country of 100m

My cousin is a dark mexican looking mofo and he married a vietnamese chick. They are living a normal life like nothing is happening. I dont get it. And we are flooding on infections.

Sure they have the communist party who will come to pick you up to your house if you are inf3cted and thats no picnic. But dam they are living a decent life while we are drowning on infections.

Doesn not make sense imo

[ChumpDumper]

My cousin is a dark mexican looking mofo and he married a vietnamese chick. They are living a normal life like nothing is happening. I dont get it. And we are flooding on infections.

Sure they have the communist party who will come to pick you up to your house if you are inf3cted and thats no picnic. But dam they are living a decent life while we are drowning on infections.

Doesn not make sense imoVietnam took it seriously because they are right next to China and poor as shit. As a substantial group on this board shows, we're still in denial.

[hater]

Vietnam took it seriously because they are right next to China and poor as shit. As a substantial group on this board shows, we're still in denial.

Yeah i guess

My cousin had a fever on May and obviously he hid it from everyone as he did not want to get taken to the tank. The tank is probably full of infected ppl and they dont let you out. But his family wears masks even in the house sonthey dont worry. Its a different world i guess

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah i guess

My cousin had a fever on May and obviously he hid it from everyone as he did not want to get taken to the tank. The tank is probably full of infected ppl and they dont let you out. But his family wears masks even in the house sonthey dont worry. Its a different world i guessYeah, I don't know about Vietnam in particular but Asians seem to be more used to masks from pollution and earlier pandemics. We only mandated it because it's the last arrow in the quiver before shutting down again.

[ElNono]

Assault charges for man who refused to wear mask, coughed on 2 women, police say

PLYMOUTH, Mass. – Police have arrested a 59-year-old man on threatening and assault charges after a disturbance over wearing face masks at a Massachusetts restaurant.

Edward McGuire turned himself in to police Tuesday, the day after the incident.

McGuire is accused of coughing in the faces of two female customers of the restaurant and saying he hoped they get COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. He also is accused of driving dangerously in the restaurant parking lot, threatening the safety of people dining outdoors.

The incident occurred Monday night after employees of the restaurant asked McGuire to wear a face mask.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/04/police-assault-charges-massachusetts-man-who-coughed-2-women/5378312002/


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smh boomers

[Winehole23]

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/covid-19-close-losing-its-epidemic-status-us-according-cdc

[TimDunkem]

Why do people keep citing new, younger infections as evidence of a declining death rate as if infections in the last 2 weeks are reflected in today's death count? :lol Those deaths won't happen until an average of 25 days have passed. If you count back 25 days then you'll see we were around our lowest daily infections of the pandemic and the low death count now reflects that.

Yes, treatments have improved, but those deaths will predictably rise as the 25 day average passes and hospitals fill up due to the incredible amount of infections we're beginning to now see. We might even go well past 2k a day again if we start hitting 100k infections a day in a couple of weeks.

[Winehole23]

When the data set is insufficient, you get bad results. We don't really know where COVID-19 outbreaks are or what they're doing. There's not enough testing and even if there were, the turnaround is too long.

[Winehole23]

Also, death is a lagging indicator. Given the current rate of infection, prepare to be horrified.

[boutons_deux]

Experts say coronavirus is spreading through ‘airborne transmission’

— and there could be major implications

The World Health Organization was warned in an open letter sent by 239 scientists from 32 countries that COVID-19 is being spread through airborne transmission

“If airborne transmission is a significant factor in the pandemic,

especially in crowded spaces with poor ventilation,

the consequences for containment will be significant.

Masks may be needed indoors, even in socially distant settings.

Health care workers may need N95 masks

that filter out even the smallest respiratory droplets as they care for coronavirus patients,”

“Ventilation systems in schools, nursing homes, residences and businesses may need to minimize recirculating air and add powerful new filters.

Ultraviolet lights may be needed to kill viral particles floating in tiny droplets indoors.”

The debate is largely over the distinction between respiratory droplets or aerosols.

“Whether carried aloft by large droplets that zoom through the air after a sneeze, or by much smaller exhaled droplets that may glide the length of a room, these experts said,

the coronavirus is borne through air and can infect people when inhaled,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/experts-say-coronavirus-is-spreading-through-airborne-transmission-and-there-could-be-major-implications/

what about C19 landing in the eyes?

[boutons_deux]

Do Americans Understand How Badly They’re Doing?

In France, where I live, the virus is under control. I can hardly believe the news coming out of the United States.

As Donald Trump’s America continues to shatter records for daily infections,

France, like most other developed nations and even some undeveloped ones, seems to have beat back the virus.

The numbers are not ambiguous.

From a peak of 7,581 new cases across the country on March 31, and with a death toll now just below 30,000—at one point the world’s fourth highest—

there were just 526 new cases on June 13

America, however, is an utter disaster.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/america-land-pathetic/613747/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/america-land-pathetic/613747/)

Fuck, Yeah!

USA USA USA

Trash fellators, FREEDUMB fetishists, rednecks, bubbas, Repugs,

OWNING THE LIBS!

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=JPN~USA~AUS~BEL~CAN~DNK~EuropeanUnion~FRA~ FIN~ITA~GBR~CHE~NOR&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

[hater]

Also, death is a lagging indicator. Given the current rate of infection, prepare to be horrified.

I still think too many young ppl got infected tbis round so not too many deaths


But when this young ppl show that tbey infected grandma in a couple weeks then younwill see carcasses pile up

[boutons_deux]

FDA Chief Won’t Refute Trump’s Claim That 99% Of Coronavirus Cases Are ‘Harmless’

https://cdn.talkingpointsmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/GettyImages-1223643367-804x536.jpg

On Saturday, the President said, without evidence, that due to testing almost 40 million people for the coronavirus, “we show cases, 99% of which are totally harmless.”

Hahn acknowledge the surging coronavirus cases in the country, but

said that “it’s too early” :lol What's Hahn waiting for?

and won’t “speculate on what the causation is there.” :lol speculate! :lol

Pressed again on Trump’s false claim, Hahn responded that

he’s “not going to get into who is right and who is wrong.” :lol

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/fda-commissioner-hahn-trump-claim-99-percent-coronavirus-cases-harmless?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29 (https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/fda-commissioner-hahn-trump-claim-99-percent-coronavirus-cases-harmless?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+tpm-news+%28TPMNews%29)

He won't call a mortally wrong LIAR a LIAR, because values his job/salary more than Americans' lives.

[Winehole23]

I still think too many young ppl got infected tbis round so not too many deaths


But when this young ppl show that tbey infected grandma in a couple weeks then you will see carcasses pile upPeople are too fixated on COVID-19 mortality. The incidence of permanent disability and psychological issues are considerable. Gonna put a stitch in US productivity.

[vy65]

People are too fixated on COVID-19 mortality. The incidence of permanent disability and psychological issues are considerable. Gonna put a stitch in US productivity.

What permanent disability? There’d been suggestions of lung damage, but I haven’t seen anything corroborated one way or another.

Psychological damage goes both ways. At this point, your options as I see them are: re-enter lockdown, maintain the status quo, or re-open. If the death rate is truly low, I don’t see why we don’t move to re-open.

[vy65]

People are too fixated on COVID-19 mortality. The incidence of permanent disability and psychological issues are considerable. Gonna put a stitch in US productivity.

What permanent disability? There’d been suggestions of lung damage, but I haven’t seen anything corroborated one way or another.

Psychological damage goes both ways. At this point, your options as I see them are: re-enter lockdown, maintain the status quo, or re-open. If the death rate is truly low, I don’t see why we don’t move to re-open.

[pgardn]

What permanent disability? There’d been suggestions of lung damage, but I haven’t seen anything corroborated one way or another.

Psychological damage goes both ways. At this point, your options as I see them are: re-enter lockdown, maintain the status quo, or re-open. If the death rate is truly low, I don’t see why we don’t move to re-open.

we have indicators now that this is going to go much further than the lungs.
kidneys, heart, brain... it’s a wait-and-see, but I would rather not see damage right now in these other areas

[baseline bum]

Also, death is a lagging indicator. Given the current rate of infection, prepare to be horrified.

The 30% hasn't been horrified by the first 130k deaths, why will they care about the next 130k?

[vy65]

we have indicators now that this is going to go much further than the lungs.
kidneys, heart, brain... it’s a wait-and-see, but I would rather not see damage right now in these other areas

You got a link for that? Everything I’ve seen says we don’t know, but have seen lung damage repair

[pgardn]

You got a link for that? Everything I’ve seen says we don’t know, but have seen lung damage repair

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-kidney-damage-caused-by-covid19

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/04/17/organ-damage

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200622-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19-infection

And I read a bunch of others that are not in the above and much better.

Also, just having to go ICU and the type of stuff they have to do save your life can be detrimental long term.
ICU effect or something like that.
It is disconcerting for me right now, I just hoped people would pop back to perfectly healthy.

[boutons_deux]

Fmr FDA Chief Gottlieb:

‘We’re Right Back Where We Were at the Peak of the Epidemic’

During NY Outbreak


https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fmr-fda-chief-gottlieb-were-right-back-where-we-were-at-the-peak-of-the-epidemic-during-ny-outbreak/ (https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fmr-fda-chief-gottlieb-were-right-back-where-we-were-at-the-peak-of-the-epidemic-during-ny-outbreak/)

[pgardn]

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-kidney-damage-caused-by-covid19

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/04/17/organ-damage

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200622-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19-infection

And I read a bunch of others that are not in the above and much better.

Also, just having to go ICU and the type of stuff they have to do save your life can be detrimental long term.
ICU effect or something like that.
It is disconcerting for me right now, I just hoped people would pop back to perfectly healthy.

Also there are a bunch of problems being caused by the extensive blood clotting. Some of the above might be the reason.
Good aspect that comes out of this is diagnostic. One example, there might be some really strange WBC's not seen in other diseases caused by this virus. If so, a simple blood test pre dive in oxygen levels would be great for people without "visible" symptoms.

[boutons_deux]

You got a link for that? Everything I’ve seen says we don’t know, but have seen lung damage repair

check damage from severe lupus, systemic damage also done by the immune system, where HCQ and corticosteroids are used to restrain the immune from inflaming the entire body.

brain, nervous system (one survivor couldn't feel her feet from than ankles down), kidneys, heart, thyroid, lungs

A wide variety of damage and symptoms, unpredictable who gets what and how much damage

but hey y'all, fuck them masks, 99% of C19 people get nuthin' at all, and we're ownin' the libs.

America, fuck yeah!

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&casesMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~CAN~DNK~FRA~ITA~NOR~ESP~BEL~FIN~DEU~JP N~KOR&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

[Winehole23]

Coughs in *Spain*

1279807538456903681

[boutons_deux]

I'm guessing severe C19 survivors will die several years early

[TimDunkem]

Permanent organ damage has been documented and corroborated time after time. We're in June and this is still in question?

[tholdren]

Why do people keep citing new, younger infections as evidence of a declining death rate as if infections in the last 2 weeks are reflected in today's death count? :lol Those deaths won't happen until an average of 25 days have passed. If you count back 25 days then you'll see we were around our lowest daily infections of the pandemic and the low death count now reflects that.

Yes, treatments have improved, but those deaths will predictably rise as the 25 day average passes and hospitals fill up due to the incredible amount of infections we're beginning to now see. We might even go well past 2k a day again if we start hitting 100k infections a day in a couple of weeks.

Lol wrong. New deaths don't occur the day the person dies. Your logic is terrible. You are arguing both sides.


But sure. 2 more weeks. Lol just like when you had it.

[boutons_deux]

If so, a simple blood test pre dive in oxygen levels would be great for people without "visible" symptoms.

a cheap oximeter is good enough to show oxygen levels.

There have been people without severe symptoms arriving at ER with O2 in the 70s, essentially drowning. Obviously damage to brain if not corrected quickly.

[TimDunkem]

I still think too many young ppl got infected tbis round so not too many deaths


But when this young ppl show that tbey infected grandma in a couple weeks then younwill see carcasses pile up

Upfront? Yes. There will be less deaths if they're younger and treatments are getting better.

But these younger infections have only been going up the last 2 weeks. Average lag time between infections and death is 25 days. Go to the daily deaths and count back 25 days and you'll see it lines up with the lowest daily infections we've had yet.

Also, some hospitals are finally being overwhelmed while infections are only going up. We'll hit 60k a day soon and might hit 100k a day in a few weeks. Death rates will go up no matter what if that happens especially when these younger people inevitably infect the vulnerable.

In other words, give it a week for the rate to climb again. Give it a month and we might be back on track for 1-3k a day just in time for flu season.

[pgardn]

a cheap oximeter is good enough to show oxygen levels.

There have been people without severe symptoms arriving at ER with O2 in the 70s, essentially drowning. Obviously damage to brain if not corrected quickly.

Sure.

But if the WBCs were to show up before this, you would not have to wait for your O2 levels to fall to know to be alert or even go in.
It would be nice to get way out ahead of it.

Check that. It would be nice to get way out ahead of it in a place that would take you in and could actually take care of you properly.
Our health care is a mess despite the valiant work done by those in medicine. These upcoming bills will be stunning.

[hater]

:lmao bubonic plague has just spread to china :lol

2020 :lol

[ElNono]

Why do people keep citing new, younger infections as evidence of a declining death rate as if infections in the last 2 weeks are reflected in today's death count? :lol Those deaths won't happen until an average of 25 days have passed. If you count back 25 days then you'll see we were around our lowest daily infections of the pandemic and the low death count now reflects that.

Yes, treatments have improved, but those deaths will predictably rise as the 25 day average passes and hospitals fill up due to the incredible amount of infections we're beginning to now see. We might even go well past 2k a day again if we start hitting 100k infections a day in a couple of weeks.

Plus the issue isn't necessarily isolated to COVID deaths. If you have an ICU overflowing with patients and you get a guy with a hearth attack or serious car accident, you're gonna have to start making decisions who needs the ICU more...

This is why the retards that continue saying "but but covid ifr!" or "healthy people don't die from this!" don't understand the problem at all.

[tholdren]

Plus the issue isn't necessarily isolated to COVID deaths. If you have an ICU overflowing with patients and you get a guy with a hearth attack or serious car accident, you're gonna have to start making decisions who needs the ICU more...

This is why the retards that continue saying "but but covid ifr!" or "healthy people don't die from this!" don't understand the problem at all.

Sure they understand it. You dont. No hospital has been overwhelmed. Ifr less than flu. About sums it up.

[ElNono]

^^^ talking about liars... don't you have another 2 month 'vacation' coming up, mr 10k deaths? lmao

[ChumpDumper]

^^^ talking about liars... don't you have another 2 month 'vacation' coming up, mr 10k deaths? lmaoth:lmaoldren

[tholdren]

^^^ talking about liars... don't you have another 2 month 'vacation' coming up, mr 10k deaths? lmao
List the hospitals that were overwhelmed.

Now list the people who died during the lockdown and furlough fiasco

Ifr less than flu. Math is good

[ElNono]

Some San Antonio hospitals using pediatric ICU for adults due to hospitals reaching capacity
Dr. Ruth Berggren, an infectious disease expert, discusses how some local hospitals are making more room for patients

“We are trying to use the brick and mortar hospitals that we have as the places to care for people, but it’s requiring that we do things like use pediatric intensive care units for adults, use post surgical care areas as ICU’s and use rehabilitation wards for regular patients to make more room for the COVID(-19) patients,” she said.

“This week we did run out of the drug remdesivir for a while. We’re getting more but we did run out. And that will happen again unless we keep our numbers down,” she said.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/07/03/some-san-antonio-hospitals-using-pediatric-icu-for-adults-due-to-hospitals-reaching-capacity/

[tholdren]

Some San Antonio hospitals using pediatric ICU for adults due to hospitals reaching capacity
Dr. Ruth Berggren, an infectious disease expert, discusses how some local hospitals are making more room for patients

“We are trying to use the brick and mortar hospitals that we have as the places to care for people, but it’s requiring that we do things like use pediatric intensive care units for adults, use post surgical care areas as ICU’s and use rehabilitation wards for regular patients to make more room for the COVID(-19) patients,” she said.

“This week we did run out of the drug remdesivir for a while. We’re getting more but we did run out. And that will happen again unless we keep our numbers down,” she said.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2020/07/03/some-san-antonio-hospitals-using-pediatric-icu-for-adults-due-to-hospitals-reaching-capacity/
So 0.

All you had to say

[ElNono]

Coronavirus on track to overwhelm Houston hospitals in two weeks, mayor says

Hospitals in Houston, Texas are on track to be overwhelmed in approximately two weeks as coronavirus cases mount, Mayor Sylvester Turner said on Sunday.

“The number of people who are getting sick and going to the hospitals has exponentially increased. The number of people in our ICU beds has exponentially increased,” Turner said on CBS’s “Face The Nation.” “In fact, if we don’t get our hands around this virus quickly, in about two weeks our hospital system could be in serious, serious trouble.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/05/coronavirus-on-track-to-overwhelm-houston-hospitals-in-two-weeks-mayor-says.html

[tholdren]

Coronavirus on track to overwhelm Houston hospitals in two weeks, mayor says

Hospitals in Houston, Texas are on track to be overwhelmed in approximately two weeks as coronavirus cases mount, Mayor Sylvester Turner said on Sunday.

“The number of people who are getting sick and going to the hospitals has exponentially increased. The number of people in our ICU beds has exponentially increased,” Turner said on CBS’s “Face The Nation.” “In fact, if we don’t get our hands around this virus quickly, in about two weeks our hospital system could be in serious, serious trouble.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/05/coronavirus-on-track-to-overwhelm-houston-hospitals-in-two-weeks-mayor-says.html

so still 0. Great work

[ElNono]

Late March, New York:

New York City’s coronavirus outbreak is already overwhelming hospitals

In the US, the focus of the coronavirus outbreak last week shifted from the West Coast to New York City. As of 30 March, the city of 8.6 million people had 38,087 confirmed cases, which account for more than a quarter of cases in the US, and 914 people had died of covid-19.

In one 24-hour period last week, 2000 people were hospitalised in the city. Most of the positive covid-19 test results have been clustered in the boroughs of Queens and Brooklyn.

At a press conference on 25 March, New York City mayor Bill de Blasio said these are “numbers I can barely even comprehend… number[s] that would have been unimaginable just a couple of weeks ago”.

In Queens, hospitals and emergency rooms have been flooded with critically ill covid-19 patients struggling to breathe. “It’s inconceivable. Everything we know about medicine is out the window,” says Lisa Epstein, a nurse at New York-Presbyterian Queens, who is working in the hospital’s emergency room.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2239247-new-york-citys-coronavirus-outbreak-is-already-overwhelming-hospitals/

[ElNono]

I'm not arguing with an admitted liar, tbh... you should really start defending your 10k death lie before arguing anything else.

[tholdren]

Late March, New York:

New York City’s coronavirus outbreak is already overwhelming hospitals

In the US, the focus of the coronavirus outbreak last week shifted from the West Coast to New York City. As of 30 March, the city of 8.6 million people had 38,087 confirmed cases, which account for more than a quarter of cases in the US, and 914 people had died of covid-19.

In one 24-hour period last week, 2000 people were hospitalised in the city. Most of the positive covid-19 test results have been clustered in the boroughs of Queens and Brooklyn.

At a press conference on 25 March, New York City mayor Bill de Blasio said these are “numbers I can barely even comprehend… number[s] that would have been unimaginable just a couple of weeks ago”.

In Queens, hospitals and emergency rooms have been flooded with critically ill covid-19 patients struggling to breathe. “It’s inconceivable. Everything we know about medicine is out the window,” says Lisa Epstein, a nurse at New York-Presbyterian Queens, who is working in the hospital’s emergency room.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2239247-new-york-citys-coronavirus-outbreak-is-already-overwhelming-hospitals/

so 0. Still. Thanks for continuing to prove that none of these were over capacity.

0

[ElNono]

On a related note, hope our Texas folk (we have plenty here) and their families are doing well in these troubled times, tbh

[tholdren]

el nono post count spikes as he copy and pasted proof that no hospitals were overcapacity. And he continues to post that they were using news headlines that are proven false in the body of the article. This is not good for el nono or ChumpDumper

[ElNono]

sorry dr holdren... whenever you say something is not good for me, it's usually exactly the other way around. You made your lying, lack of credibility bed, now you get to lie in it.

lololol still thinking post count smack is really showing me

[ChumpDumper]

So 0.

All you had to sayTen out of the 12 hospitals in Texas' Rio Grande Valley are now full (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/04/texas-coronavirus-rio-grande-valley-hospitals/)

Ten of 12 hospitals in Hidalgo, Cameron and Starr counties are now on “diversion status,” which means all their beds are full, although Hidalgo County spokesperson Carlos Sanchez said it’s a “fluid situation so diversions may be lifted at any moment.”

[ElNono]

Ten out of the 12 hospitals in Texas' Rio Grande Valley are now full (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/04/texas-coronavirus-rio-grande-valley-hospitals/)

Time for f:lolldren to go to the sidelines and talk to the ollllll ball coach 'til september... rofl

[ElNono]

to be fair, mid has been doing a number on him, tbh... RIP

[baseline bum]

Ten out of the 12 hospitals in Texas' Rio Grande Valley are now full (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/04/texas-coronavirus-rio-grande-valley-hospitals/)

Ten of 12 hospitals in Hidalgo, Cameron and Starr counties are now on “diversion status,” which means all their beds are full, although Hidalgo County spokesperson Carlos Sanchez said it’s a “fluid situation so diversions may be lifted at any moment.”

Don't forget to show your Math for Dr Tholdren Ph.D

[Trill Clinton]

1279860102401572873

[vy65]

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-kidney-damage-caused-by-covid19

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/04/17/organ-damage

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200622-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19-infection

And I read a bunch of others that are not in the above and much better.

Also, just having to go ICU and the type of stuff they have to do save your life can be detrimental long term.
ICU effect or something like that.
It is disconcerting for me right now, I just hoped people would pop back to perfectly healthy.

Thanks, I read through a few of these articles. They don’t definitively say one way or another whether there will be long term damage to other organs. I don’t think we can say for certain that such damage will or won’t happen.

[TimDunkem]

Bwahahaha th:lolldren pwned again. :lol

[boutons_deux]

Trash says 99% of infections are harmless

Case Fatality Rate, CFR


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&cfrMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~CAN~DNK~FRA~ITA~NOR~ESP~BEL~FIN~DEU~JP N~KOR&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/107471851_152540213075654_832147726198509889_n.png ?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=KmhNAiAcZ-QAX_2Uejx&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=8f856a3780845fd7e3238a5f50281645&oe=5F27B05A

[tholdren]

Trash says 99% of infections are harmless

Case Fatality Rate, CFR


https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&cfrMetric=true&dailyFreq=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&country=USA~CAN~DNK~FRA~ITA~NOR~ESP~BEL~FIN~DEU~JP N~KOR&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

he's about to be right if us keeps testing at this rate. Ifr and cfr covering with 0

[ChumpDumper]

he's about to be right if us keeps testing at this rate. Ifr and cfr covering with 0Show your math.

[tholdren]

Show your math.

Lol you understand that cases are "going up" right?

[ChumpDumper]

Lol you understand that cases are "going up" right?Show your ifr math or admit you can't.

[tholdren]

Show your ifr math or admit you can't.

lol you dont even know cases are going up? And you're copying me? You gossip too much

[ChumpDumper]

lol you dont even know cases are going up? And you're copying me? You gossip too muchf:lolldren folds

Stop lying and we'll go easier on you.

[boutons_deux]

Trump’s USDA Speeds Up Meatpacking Despite Virus Deaths

Trump administration officials may have used misleading data to analyze safety so that meatpacking plants could skirt a safety rule regulating their processes.

The rule (https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/10/01/2019-20245/modernization-of-swine-slaughter-inspection) regulates how fast pigs can be slaughtered.

The USDA Office of Inspector General (https://www.usda.gov/oig/) recently released a report expressing concern about faulty data, as COVID-19 cases soar (https://thefern.org/2020/04/mapping-covid-19-in-meat-and-food-processing-plants/) in the meatpacking industry.

At least 102 meatpackers have died,

More than 30,000 meatpackers tested positive for COVID-19,

including 170 workers at Quality Pork Processors Inc. (http://www.qppinc.net/) in Austin, Minn.

And 1,031 positive cases were counted at Tyson Foods pork plant in Waterloo, Iowa, where at least five workers have died. (https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/05/25/fifth-tyson-foods-waterloo-iowa-employee-jose-ayala-dies-coronavirus/5257056002/)

"The inspector general's report provides an additional reason why the rule eliminating the maximum line speeds cannot stand,"

Team Trump's lack of concern about workers who process pigs into the bacon and pork chops is akin to Trump's no-testing (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-administration-longer-directly-run-covid-19-testing/story?id=71432372) policy for COVID-19.

'Pink Slime' Expert in Charge :lol

Mindy Brashears, (https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/informational/aboutfsis/agency-leadership/under-secretary/under-secretary) the star witness (https://www.texasobserver.org/documents-show-financial-entanglements-between-trumps-usda-pick-and-agribusiness/) for a South Dakota beef processor in its "pink slime" (https://thecounter.org/bpi-pink-slime-ground-beef-usda-reclassifed/) defamation lawsuit against ABC News, is the Senate-confirmed head (https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2020/03/senate-confirms-mindy-brashears-as-undersecretary-of-food-safety/) of the Food Safety and Inspection Service. :lol

https://www.nationalmemo.com/trumps-usda-speeds-up-meatpacking-despite-virus-threat

[TimDunkem]

Broadway star, Blue Bloods, Law and Order actor Nick Cordero dies at 41 after months long battle with COVID: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/05/entertainment/nick-cordero-obit/index.html

Vy, this is a good example of what can happen to someone with Covid. Dude had to have his leg amputated, was on dialysis, had heart attacks, sepsis, and would've had lifelong lung damage if he survived. Had no underlying health conditions and was in shape.

[Trainwreck2100]

Broadway star, Blue Bloods, Law and Order actor Nick Cordero dies at 41 after months long battle with COVID: https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/05/entertainment/nick-cordero-obit/index.html

Vy, this is a good example of what can happen to someone with Covid. Dude had to have his leg amputated, was on dialysis, had heart attacks, sepsis, and would've had lifelong lung damage if he survived. Had no underlying health conditions and was in shape.


Lol "law and order actor" he was in two episodes

[TimDunkem]

Lol "law and order actor" he was in two episodes
They should put that on his tombstone, am I right?

[slick'81]

I heard the reason its airborne now is its being carried by 5g wavezzzzzzzzzz.

i need a tinfoilmask

[Blake]

Ten out of the 12 hospitals in Texas' Rio Grande Valley are now full (https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/04/texas-coronavirus-rio-grande-valley-hospitals/)

Ten of 12 hospitals in Hidalgo, Cameron and Starr counties are now on “diversion status,” which means all their beds are full, although Hidalgo County spokesperson Carlos Sanchez said it’s a “fluid situation so diversions may be lifted at any moment.”

So you're saying two still have room.

DOESN'T SOUND OVERWHELMED TO ME

[Spurtacular]

So you're saying two still have room.

DOESN'T SOUND OVERWHELMED TO ME

They have to divert people to other places to find out if they have the common cold or not?

THIS IS BAD

[ChumpDumper]

They have to divert people to other places to find out if they have the common cold or not?

THIS IS BADderp can't read

[boutons_deux]

Fox News fans melt down over Jeanine Pirro’s mask:

‘Take it off Judge — don’t be a sheep!’

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Screen-Shot-2020-07-06-at-7.20.30-AM.png


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/fox-news-fans-melt-down-over-jeanine-pirros-mask-take-it-off-judge-dont-be-a-sheep/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4921

mask?

what's with wearing a mountain-climbing bra outdoors?

[ChumpDumper]

Fox News fans melt down over Jeanine Pirro’s mask:

‘Take it off Judge — don’t be a sheep!’

https://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Screen-Shot-2020-07-06-at-7.20.30-AM.png


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/fox-news-fans-melt-down-over-jeanine-pirros-mask-take-it-off-judge-dont-be-a-sheep/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4921

mask?

what's with wearing a mountain-climbing bra outdoors?

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[InRareForm]

Are the antibodies test not reliable? What test is there to see if you have had covid before?

[vy65]

Are the antibodies test not reliable? What test is there to see if you have had covid before?

They’re not. A friend who’s a PA at BCM said that they haven’t been approved by the FDA, aren’t being administered by any hospital at the end center, and are likely a money grab. She said to wait until the FDA approves something.

[Winehole23]

What permanent disability? There’d been suggestions of lung damage, but I haven’t seen anything corroborated one way or another.

Psychological damage goes both ways. At this point, your options as I see them are: re-enter lockdown, maintain the status quo, or re-open. If the death rate is truly low, I don’t see why we don’t move to re-open.Strokes and organ damage are life changing, even if you don't think so.

[boutons_deux]

Agonizing Lag in Coronavirus Research Puts Pregnant Women and Babies at Risk

After months of asserting pregnant women were not at high risk for the coronavirus,

the CDC recently released a study with sobering findings for expectant mothers.

Experts say the data gaps are almost as worrisome as the results.

https://www.propublica.org/article/agonizing-lag-in-coronavirus-research-puts-pregnant-women-and-babies-at-risk?utm_source=pardot&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=majorinvestigations&utm_content=feature (https://www.propublica.org/article/agonizing-lag-in-coronavirus-research-puts-pregnant-women-and-babies-at-risk?utm_source=pardot&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=majorinvestigations&utm_content=feature)

[TimDunkem]

Strokes and organ damage are life changing, even if you don't think so.

HE hasn't seen enough corroborating reports. Who cares if people are literally leaving emergency rooms needing transplants, dialysis, pacemakers, or prosthetics after Covid?

[TimDunkem]

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[vy65]

HE hasn't seen enough corroborating reports. Who cares if people are literally leaving emergency rooms needing transplants, dialysis, pacemakers, or prosthetics after Covid?

I haven’t seen any reports that flat out say the virus causes long term disability. Even your hotez tweet walked back from saying people are being permanently harmed.

I’m not saying there is that link or that there isn’t. Just that the literature hasn’t concluded one way or another. So you can calm down from your little tizzy.

[TimDunkem]

I haven’t seen any reports that flat out say the virus causes long term disability. Even your hotez tweet walked back from saying people are being permanently harmed.

I’m not saying there is that link or that there isn’t. Just that the literature hasn’t concluded one way or another. So you can calm down from your little tizzy.

You're heavily implying that there isn't. Get off the fence already.

I think amputations, dialysis, pacemakers, and lung transplants usually happen after great harm. No?

[vy65]

You're heavily implying that there isn't. Get off the fence already.

I think amputations, dialysis, pacemakers, and lung transplants usually happen after great harm. No?

I’m implying what I said - which is that the scientific literature hasn’t reached a conclusion one way or another. Your own tweet said as much when hotez walked off the claim that the damage is permanent. Why are you projecting this narrative?

[TimDunkem]

I’m implying what I said - which is that the scientific literature hasn’t reached a conclusion one way or another. Your own tweet said as much when hotez walked off the claim that the damage is permanent. Why are you projecting this narrative?
And then immediately said we're going to produce a generation of disabled individuals. Considering he continues to say it on his Twitter, I think he's quite sure where it all will be going.

But back to what is actually happening on the ground: people are literally needing transplants, prosthetics, etc, or are these complications not serious enough?

[Trill Clinton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvp0K_-KvqY

[vy65]

And then immediately said we're going to produce a generation of disabled individuals. Considering he continues to say it on his Twitter, I think he's quite sure where it all will be going.

But back to what is actually happening on the ground: people are literally needing transplants, prosthetics, etc, or are these complications not serious enough?

He spoke out of both sides of his mouth. You’re right, he said we’re producing a generation of disabled people. He also equivocated and explicitly said he couldn’t say the virus causes permanent damage, didn’t he?

I never said those complications weren’t serious. They obviously are. This is what I mean by your projecting. That said, it is correct to say that we simply don’t know whether there is a causal connection between the virus and that damage, do we?

[TimDunkem]

Covid is causing clotting in some patients which is leading to permanent complications. These are things we know.

[Trill Clinton]

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Princeton already announced the 20-21 school year will be virtual. I'm sure most, if not all schools will follow suit.

[Trill Clinton]

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[SpursforSix]

He spoke out of both sides of his mouth. You’re right, he said we’re producing a generation of disabled people. He also equivocated and explicitly said he couldn’t say the virus causes permanent damage, didn’t he?

I never said those complications weren’t serious. They obviously are. This is what I mean by your projecting. That said, it is correct to say that we simply don’t know whether there is a causal connection between the virus and that damage, do we?

Get ready for a new round of drugs from BigPharma to correct the long term problems from COVID.

[boutons_deux]

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where's the crime? her "patriot" kid now is perfectly immune to further disease

[Brazil]

I haven’t seen any reports that flat out say the virus causes long term disability. Even your hotez tweet walked back from saying people are being permanently harmed.

I’m not saying there is that link or that there isn’t. Just that the literature hasn’t concluded one way or another. So you can calm down from your little tizzy.

I have a friend in Spain who recovered after 3 weeks of hospital, damages are no joke especially lungs...

[boutons_deux]

the story
Florida teen dies after conspiracy theorist mom takes her to church ‘COVID party’ and

tries to treat her with Trump-approved drug

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/florida-teen-dies-after-conspiracy-theorist-mom-takes-her-to-church-covid-party-and-tries-to-treat-her-with-trump-approved-drug-report/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=4925&recip_id=298460&list_id=1

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More FL news:

Florida House Candidate Puts Beyoncé ON NOTICE For Being A Secret Italian Controlled By George Soros

KW Miller, a QAnon guy and an Independent candidate hoping to represent Florida's 18th District — brought it.

And by "brought it," I mean

"went on an absolutely batshit Twitter rant about how

Beyoncé is a Secret Italian

who is only pretending to be Black and

Patti LaBelle is a Satanic Deep State Agent."

Miller then goes on to explain how

"Formation" was a coded message to the globalists,

who apparently have absolutely no access to cell phones and can only communicate through song lyrics, symbolism in music videos and tweets that don't mean what they obviously mean.

https://www.wonkette.com/florida-house-candidate-puts-beyonce-on-notice-for-being-a-secret-italian-controlled-by-george-soros

[boutons_deux]

Rush Limbaugh Speaks Out Against Mask Mandates, Calls for US to Pursue Herd Immunity:

‘Let the Young and Healthy Live Their Lives’

they’re simply reporting this massive increase in cases and

you’re supposed to assume every case equals a death.” :lol rightwingnutjob idiots must ALWAYS lie

https://www.mediaite.com/news/rush-limbaugh-speaks-out-against-mask-mandates-calls-for-us-to-pursue-herd-immunity-let-the-young-and-healthy-live-their-lives/ (https://www.mediaite.com/news/rush-limbaugh-speaks-out-against-mask-mandates-calls-for-us-to-pursue-herd-immunity-let-the-young-and-healthy-live-their-lives/)

[boutons_deux]

Millions of Americans are about to find out just how badly they've been screwed by Trump and the GOP

The US economy isn’t roaring back.

Just over half of Americans have jobs now, the lowest figure in more than 70 years (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO).

What’s roaring back is Covid-19.

Until it’s tamed, the American economy doesn’t stand a chance.

“The uptick in jobs in June was due almost entirely to the hasty reopening, which is now being reversed.”

it was a story to satisfy their donors,

who were seeing their corporate profits evaporate and

taking it out on their paid stooges in Congress and the states.

And the GOP jumped to the task, bailing out businesses

as much as they possibly could with hundreds of billions of dollars,

without ever telling the American public where those funds were actually going (https://www.businessinsider.com/us-government-wont-disclose-small-businesses-received-paycheck-bailout-loans-2020-6) (Hint: it was to their donors).

this was all an untested medical experiment on a grand scale,

collectively embraced by the GOP,

with ordinary Americans as its unwitting subjects.

The reopening push was not based on any scientific or medical planning to address the pandemic,

In states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, where they did not control the governor’s mansion,

GOP-controlled legislatures introduced

articles of impeachment (https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2020/06/17/daryl-metcalfe-butler-county-impeachment-govenror-Wolf-pennsylvania/stories/202006170081)to try to force their states to reopen, or

petitioned like-minded judges (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/14/wisconsin-lockdown-ruling-supreme-court-republicans)to overrule the lockdown measures.

we are now witnessing

an embarrassing and hasty retreat by the GOP from everything they and Trump had assured us of with such certainty.

Arizona’s Republican governor, Doug Ducey, initially refused to order masks and even barred local officials from doing so.

This week he closed all gyms, bars and movie theaters in the state.

The governors of Florida, Texas and California have also reimposed restrictions (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-map-coronavirus.html).

Officials in Florida’s Miami-Dade county recently approved the reopening of movie theaters, arcades, casinos, concert halls, bowling halls and adult entertainment venues.

They have now re-closed them.

And so on across America.

A vast re-closing is under way, as haphazard as was the reopening.

In the biggest public health emergency in US history,

in which nearly 130,000 have already lost their lives,

still no one is in charge.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/6/1958473/-Millions-of-Americans-are-about-to-find-out-just-how-badly-they-ve-been-screwed-by-Trump-and-the-GOP?detail=emaildkre

[tholdren]

Millions of Americans are about to find out just how badly they've been screwed by Trump and the GOP

The US economy isn’t roaring back.

Just over half of Americans have jobs now, the lowest figure in more than 70 years (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EMRATIO).

What’s roaring back is Covid-19.

Until it’s tamed, the American economy doesn’t stand a chance.

“The uptick in jobs in June was due almost entirely to the hasty reopening, which is now being reversed.”

it was a story to satisfy their donors,

who were seeing their corporate profits evaporate and

taking it out on their paid stooges in Congress and the states.

And the GOP jumped to the task, bailing out businesses

as much as they possibly could with hundreds of billions of dollars,

without ever telling the American public where those funds were actually going (https://www.businessinsider.com/us-government-wont-disclose-small-businesses-received-paycheck-bailout-loans-2020-6) (Hint: it was to their donors).

this was all an untested medical experiment on a grand scale,

collectively embraced by the GOP,

with ordinary Americans as its unwitting subjects.

The reopening push was not based on any scientific or medical planning to address the pandemic,

In states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, where they did not control the governor’s mansion,

GOP-controlled legislatures introduced

articles of impeachment (https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2020/06/17/daryl-metcalfe-butler-county-impeachment-govenror-Wolf-pennsylvania/stories/202006170081)to try to force their states to reopen, or

petitioned like-minded judges (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/14/wisconsin-lockdown-ruling-supreme-court-republicans)to overrule the lockdown measures.

we are now witnessing

an embarrassing and hasty retreat by the GOP from everything they and Trump had assured us of with such certainty.

Arizona’s Republican governor, Doug Ducey, initially refused to order masks and even barred local officials from doing so.

This week he closed all gyms, bars and movie theaters in the state.

The governors of Florida, Texas and California have also reimposed restrictions (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-map-coronavirus.html).

Officials in Florida’s Miami-Dade county recently approved the reopening of movie theaters, arcades, casinos, concert halls, bowling halls and adult entertainment venues.

They have now re-closed them.

And so on across America.

A vast re-closing is under way, as haphazard as was the reopening.

In the biggest public health emergency in US history,

in which nearly 130,000 have already lost their lives,

still no one is in charge.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/7/6/1958473/-Millions-of-Americans-are-about-to-find-out-just-how-badly-they-ve-been-screwed-by-Trump-and-the-GOP?detail=emaildkre




Job loss not on trump. Thats on states.

[baseline bum]

It was already embarrassing seeing the EU and Canada shut their borders to us, but fucking Mexico did it too. Get in here hater. LOL we're the shithole country of North America.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/coronavirus/article243985782.html

[vy65]

It was already embarrassing seeing the EU and Canada shut their borders to us, but fucking Mexico did it too. Get in here hater. LOL we're the shithole country of North America.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/coronavirus/article243985782.html

They’re treating us like a leper colony. I wonder what the cult member talking point in response to this is? Fuck the world?