Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

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FYI, Mengele died in 1979...

Yep, Olivier sicked like 3 doberman's owned by one of the Hitler's clone on him in Pennsylvania.

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CP got to handle of them first class tickets to the Resurrection.

[Will Hunting]

Will Hunting (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17032) does Fergie have any last words for Colin Powell?
No at least in my opinion. He made one gaffe as Secretary of State but that was due to pressure from others in the Bush Administration. I don’t have any issues with the guy.

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[DMC]

because when it comes to acquiring natural immunity, there is a risk there. catching covid. which even if it doesnt kill you, a) can have lasting effects, to which we dont even understand the full extent, and b) can cause you to spread it to theres, compromising them the exact same way

as opposed to the relative risk of getting vaccinated, which outside of some specific subsets of people, is negligible

its like telling people to go catch polio so that if they get better they will have a strong natural immunity to it going forward.

That's a different issue (not surprising coming from you). If a naturally immune person who survived COVID has higher protection than a vaccinated person, why should the naturally immune person also get vaccinated? I'm not saying it wouldn't be a boost, but why would anyone worry about that segment when they are group with the highest protection level? Assuming they are, of course.

[boutons_deux]

"The unvaccinated should be more afraid of the vaccinated actually"

Actually, the unvaccinated should be most afraid of their own unvaccinated vulnerability.

[ChumpDumper]

Let's ask CC if he regrets getting vaccinated.

[spurraider21]

That's a different issue (not surprising coming from you). If a naturally immune person who survived COVID has higher protection than a vaccinated person, why should the naturally immune person also get vaccinated? I'm not saying it wouldn't be a boost, but why would anyone worry about that segment when they are group with the highest protection level? Assuming they are, of course.
because they are also the group that have available to them a safe means of having even more protection.

i think the goal should be to have everybody as protected as possible within reasonable means

[DMC]

because they are also the group that have available to them a safe means of having even more protection.

i think the goal should be to have everybody as protected as possible within reasonable means

Those last 3 words are the fuel for all debates. Though it is reasonable for someone with more protection than a fully vaxxed person to also get vaxxed, why should it be required?

[SnakeBoy]

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[spurraider21]

Those last 3 words are the fuel for all debates. Though it is reasonable for someone with more protection than a fully vaxxed person to also get vaxxed, why should it be required?
ok. give me a good argument for why getting the vaccine not within reason? what burden does it place on the person?

its about as interesting as the climate change "debate"

[DMC]

Those last 3 words are the fuel for all debates. Though it is reasonable for someone with more protection than a fully vaxxed person to also get vaxxed, why should it be required?


ok. give me a good argument for why getting the vaccine not within reason? what burden does it place on the person?

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

Why is everyone still pretending there is a vaccine requirement for everyone?

Who here is subject to a COVID vaccine mandate?

[DMC]

Let's assume two people get vaccinated, one gets Moderna and the other gets J&J. They don't have the same level of protection but they are vaccinated (fully). Should the J&J person have held out for Moderna? Would the difference in protection be greater for that person than the naturally immune person who is contemplating a vaccination?

[spurraider21]

:lol
you didnt provide any argument for why getting the vaccine is not within reason, or what burden it places on the person.

you said this is the fuel for the debate, yet you cant even steelman the argument. doesnt seem like much of a debate tbh

[ElNono]

Why would Joe Rogan need "even greater" immunity??? His natural immunity is very good enough so he doesnt need anymore "greater immunity"

There's no way to measure "natural immunity" other than you get the virus, risk dying off it, and then find out.

Or you get a very safe vaccine and substantially reduce that risk of dying or being hospitalized by the virus and still find out.

This is really a non-argument.

[hater]

1449803423906418691

Meh

Pandemic is over.

Ive moved on

[hater]

There's no way to measure "natural immunity" other than you get the virus, risk dying off it, and then find out.

Or you get a very safe vaccine and substantially reduce that risk of dying or being hospitalized by the virus and still find out.

This is really a non-argument.

Less than 1% is really not a risk to many tbqh.

Its probably riskier to own a motorcycle or do rock climbing or sky diving tbqh

Some ppl might prefer the natural immunity to get the benefit of better.protection :tu

Follow da science thang dawg

[Ef-man]

Less than 1% is really not a risk to many tbqh.

Its probably riskier to own a motorcycle or do rock climbing or sky diving tbqh

Some ppl might prefer the natural immunity to get the benefit of better.protection :tu

Follow da science thang dawg

Hater following science.
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[hater]

hater would kill 3,000,000 Americans if he was president. One sick fucker. Worse than shilliry. :lmao :lmao

Fake news


Old and sick need vax to fight this


Young. Not as much

Follow da science thang dawg

[hater]

And thats possibly 30,000,000 more Americans with lower quality of life. Sick fuck. :lol

Fake news from upset nancy

Follow da science :tu

[hater]

That's what you already agreed to. :lmao

Apology accepted

[Winehole23]

Meh

Pandemic is over.

Ive moved onCOVID hasn't

[DMC]

you didnt provide any argument for why getting the vaccine is not within reason, or what burden it places on the person.

you said this is the fuel for the debate, yet you cant even steelman the argument. doesnt seem like much of a debate tbh

I said it was reasonable. Why would I provide an argument that it's not? Can you not read?

While it's not unreasonable for a COVID survivor to get vaccinated, it's unreasonable to expect them to if they have better protection already than you have as a vaccinated person who hasn't have COVID.

You have a very serious reading comprehension problem. Those last three words are the fuel for all debates, not just this one. Everyone should do Y as long as Y is within reason. Everyone should do what's within reason then? Not really. Just because it's reasonable to get it doesn't mean they should get it.

[steak n eggs]

Breaking News: Covid is here to stay. Get your vax or not. Stop worrying about who is vaxxed or not. Go outside and get some air. Or hide in your house. Either way, move on.

[hater]

COVID hasn't

It never will. Endemic. Forever.

[hater]

Breaking News: Covid is here to stay. Get your vax or not. Stop worrying about who is vaxxed or not. Go outside and get some air. Or hide in your house. Either way, move on.

Eggsactly

[Dirks_Finale]

Yeah, no 56 year old man has ever had joint pain or neck stiffness, must have been the vaccine!

Sudden onset.

And I'm assuming you are not his doctor.

[spurraider21]

I said it was reasonable. Why would I provide an argument that it's not? Can you not read?

While it's not unreasonable for a COVID survivor to get vaccinated, it's unreasonable to expect them to if they have better protection already than you have as a vaccinated person who hasn't have COVID.

You have a very serious reading comprehension problem. Those last three words are the fuel for all debates, not just this one. Everyone should do Y as long as Y is within reason. Everyone should do what's within reason then? Not really. Just because it's reasonable to get it doesn't mean they should get it.
you said its what fuels all debates. all would include this one. yet you cant even provide an argument for the other side of the "debate"

doesnt sound like much of a debate

as for the bolded, why is that unreasonable? hence the second part of my question, what's the burden on somebody to get the vaccine, even if they've already been infected? why is it unreasonable to ask that everybody take reasonable steps to get the most protection (for themselves, and by extension, the public)? and if you dont think vaccination is a reasonable step, explain why not

[monosylab1k]

Sudden onset.

And I'm assuming you are not his doctor.

:lmao AMAZING, the first 56 year old man to have zero joint issues, until that darn vaccine!

[Dirks_Finale]

you said its what fuels all debates. all would include this one. yet you cant even provide an argument for the other side of the "debate"

doesnt sound like much of a debate

as for the bolded, why is that unreasonable? hence the second part of my question, what's the burden on somebody to get the vaccine, even if they've already been infected? why is it unreasonable to ask that everybody take reasonable steps to get the most protection (for themselves, and by extension, the public)? and if you dont think vaccination is a reasonable step, explain why not

Do you think maybe there should be certain exemptions? Like health care workers who went into the belly of the beast every day while everyone was ordering amazon groceries and hiding under their beds? I mean the odds of these people having not already being infected by the virus are very low.

I still say talk to your doctor. Whether you have hang ups or not, talk to your doctor - not Joe Biden, Don Lemon or anyone else unqualified to advise you on medicine and your body.

I think mostly everybody here has been vaxxed. We all think we did the right thing, but hey, maybe we are wrong and we all grow a tail next year and the unvaxxed turn out to be the smart ones. :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

:lmao AMAZING, the first 56 year old man to have zero joint issues, until that darn vaccine!

Could be coincidental. But if you got the vax and starting having acute, lingering issues the very next day then I think you would likely have your suspicions as well.

[spurraider21]

Do you think maybe there should be certain exemptions? Like health care workers who went into the belly of the beast every day while everyone was ordering amazon groceries and hiding under their beds? I mean the odds of these people having not already being infected by the virus are very low.
no. health care workers should be held to the highest standard of being as protected as possible (short of intentionally getting themselves infected)


I still say talk to your doctor. Whether you have hang ups or not, talk to your doctor - not Joe Biden, Don Lemon or anyone else unqualified to advise you on medicine and your body.
sure. but anti-vaxxers dont. they treat facebook as their doctor.


I think mostly everybody here has been vaxxed. We all think we did the right thing, but hey, maybe we are wrong and we all grow a tail next year and the unvaxxed turn out to be the smart ones. :lol
no. our vaccination rate sucks

[DarrinS]

no. health care workers should be held to the highest standard of being as protected as possible (short of intentionally getting themselves infected)


If they already had covid, they are protected. More so than vaccinated people.

[spurraider21]

If they already had covid, they are protected. More so than vaccinated people.

we've been over this. like, today. why do you have to keep pretending that this is a contested point?


none. best he could have done was appropriately social distance and avoid anti-maskers such as himself

this isn't addressing anything i've said though. would rand getting a vaccine now on top of his covid provide further protection? yes or no.
they can get even more protection by getting the jabs

[spurraider21]

darrin is just recycling discussions from 3 weeks ago


my argument isnt weak because both of the following are true:

- somebody who is unvaxxed without natural immunity is at more risk than somebody who is vaxxed without natural immunity

and

- somebody who is unvaxxed with natural immunity is at more risk than somebody who is vaxxed with natural immunity

getting a vaccination doesnt present a significant risk to anybody or the people around them (minus extreme fringe cases which i already pointed out in an earlier post). trying to get natural immunity absolutely does

think its perfectly fair to want health workers who are doing what they reasonably can to mitigate harm to the people they're treating

[DarrinS]

"Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before."

-Cleveland Clinic

[monosylab1k]

Could be coincidental.

OH COULD IT?????!?!?! COULD IT BE???!!!!

[hater]

If they already had covid, they are protected. More so than vaccinated people.

:tu

Yup

Follow da science

[spurraider21]

"Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before."

-Cleveland Clinic
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v3

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[spurraider21]

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[ChumpDumper]

"Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before."

-Cleveland ClinicWhen did that study end?

[ChumpDumper]

"Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before."

-Cleveland ClinicSo your claim is CC should not have gotten vaccinated.

True?

[DMC]

you said its what fuels all debates. all would include this one. yet you cant even provide an argument for the other side of the "debate"

doesnt sound like much of a debate

as for the bolded, why is that unreasonable? hence the second part of my question, what's the burden on somebody to get the vaccine, even if they've already been infected? why is it unreasonable to ask that everybody take reasonable steps to get the most protection (for themselves, and by extension, the public)? and if you dont think vaccination is a reasonable step, explain why not
What's your goal? If you just want this nebulous "as protected as you can be" then that's not your business. If it's to "avoid carrying it to others" then you're more likely to do that since your protection is lower than theirs. You're asking a faster runner to get even faster even though he's the fastest person in the race. So would it be unreasonable to ask you to stay home and not visit anyone? If not, why not? Don't you want the most protection for others? Sure you can be careful, but you could be even more careful by not going out around people.

[ElNono]

Less than 1% is really not a risk to many tbqh.

Well, let's put it in numbers. US population: 330 million, 1% of that: 3.3 million. That's a lot of people.

Especially since the vaccine brings down that number considerably, at much, much less than 1% risk to you.


Its probably riskier to own a motorcycle or do rock climbing or sky diving tbqh

Some ppl might prefer the natural immunity to get the benefit of better.protection :tu

Follow da science thang dawg

If you're following the science, then you're vaccinated. I am too.

[DMC]

"Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before."

-Cleveland Clinic


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v3

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It doesn't matter if it's not been peer reviewed for sake of discussion.

There's a difference between "prioritized" and "bypassed". The CC isn't saying vaccines can be ignored, they are saying give the most vulnerable the vaccine first. This is why I think people who have 92% efficacy protection should not be pressured to go to 95% as if there's no risk involved, by people who are 87% protected. I think the main thrust on this vaccine push is to have a record of everyone being vaccinated, without concern for natural immunity because of the logistics of tracking the latter. I don't think it has anything to do with actually protecting that individual per se, nor the public, but in putting forth a control scheme that they can say they have actually controlled instead of just hoped about.

Personally I would get vaccinated even if I had the virus however I don't see the danger.

Would people be OK with natural immunity folks having never gotten COVID but gotten vaccinated, and having a lower protection? Seems so.

[spurraider21]

What's your goal? If you just want this nebulous "as protected as you can be" then that's not your business.
it's everybody's business


If it's to "avoid carrying it to others" then you're more likely to do that since your protection is lower than theirs.
if there is a way to collectively make us more protected in a way that doesnt require people to risk their health by intentionally getting infected, we should do that


You're asking a faster runner to get even faster even though he's the fastest person in the race. So would it be unreasonable to ask you to stay home and not visit anyone? If not, why not? Don't you want the most protection for others? Sure you can be careful, but you could be even more careful by not going out around people.
its not a zero sum game. the more collective protection we have, the better. if there are people not doing all they can (within reason), then fuck them, honestly

[ElNono]

There's a difference between "prioritized" and "bypassed". The CC isn't saying vaccines can be ignored, they are saying give the most vulnerable the vaccine first.

Exactly, which makes Darrin's point moot as well. Doctors are not recommending against vaccinating previously infected individuals. The reality is that outside the US vaccines are still hard to come by, and should be prioritized to those that have no protection at all.

[spurraider21]

It doesn't matter if it's not been peer reviewed for sake of discussion.

There's a difference between "prioritized" and "bypassed". The CC isn't saying vaccines can be ignored, they are saying give the most vulnerable the vaccine first. This is why I think people who have 92% efficacy protection should not be pressured to go to 95% as if there's no risk involved, by people who are 87% protected. I think the main thrust on this vaccine push is to have a record of everyone being vaccinated, without concern for natural immunity because of the logistics of tracking the latter. I don't think it has anything to do with actually protecting that individual per se, nor the public, but in putting forth a control scheme that they can say they have actually controlled instead of just hoped about.

Personally I would get vaccinated even if I had the virus however I don't see the danger.

Would people be OK with natural immunity folks having never gotten COVID but gotten vaccinated, and having a lower protection? Seems so.
great so you agree with my position in all this

[ElNono]

And peer review is an integral part of giving research any credibility, tbh... anybody can publish, not everybody can get past the peer review...

[pgardn]

The vaccine doesnt prevent spread. Stop spreading fake news.

The most idiotic way of approaching the pandemic is "well you do have quite good immunity vs this..but you should take the shot anyway so you can have Super duper immunity"

:lmao


Follow d.science thang :tu

Holy shit...

So the only usefulness of a vaccine is to help mitigate the symptoms in AN INDIVIDUAL.
There is no PUBLIC health value?

wtf is wrong with you... after this much discussion... there is an entire branch of science devoted to trying to figure out what level of vaccination and infectious phases there are in humans to get to in order to prevent rapid spread...
Why do we even care about testing people and trying to figure out how long they need to stay away from people like, oh like... FAMILY members who are extremely vulnerable even if vaccinated or those WHO CANNOT be vaccinated. Why would anyone care if they were spreading virus while a family member is undergoing chemotherapy?

worst poster ever...

[DMC]

it's everybody's business

How so? How is your health my business?


if there is a way to collectively make us more protected in a way that doesnt require people to risk their health by intentionally getting infected, we should do that

You're moving goalposts again. Try to stick with the topic of vaccinated vs natural immunity. I don't think Joe really thinks people should go out and seek COVID. I think he was offering a counter to Gupta's comment about natural immunity folks going out and getting the vaccine to protect others, not sure who but some others obviously. You also don't get it that there's no "we" where health is concerned. There's only you and there's me. I have no say in how healthy you live your life. If you are not endangering me, then I have no business in your business. If a person with natural immunity is more protected than you are, then you're the one risking people's lives moreso than the NI person. I don't care if it's all you can do, it's still a fact.


its not a zero sum game. the more collective protection we have, the better. if there are people not doing all they can (within reason), then fuck them, honestly
There's that "within reason" caveat again. I guess my suggestion to you wasn't within reason. It's better that you risk people's lives than avoid seeing them. However since it doesn't affect you, you want to tell someone else what to do with their own body, someone less likely to infect others than are you. I thought the left was against that.

[DMC]

great so you agree with my position in all this

No because you obviously see danger.

[DMC]

And peer review is an integral part of giving research any credibility, tbh... anybody can publish, not everybody can get past the peer review...

Not important since the part Darrin was referring to was simple guidance. The rest of the document is unimportant. Both sides here think the most vulnerable should be protected first, and that people should have a high resistance to the virus. The difference between the sides is that one side thinks anything above "best vaccinated immunity" is gravy, while the other side still wants people at that level to go even further for the sake of the collective. (there I said collective).

[DarrinS]

Holy shit...

So the only usefulness of a vaccine is to help mitigate the symptoms in AN INDIVIDUAL.
There is no PUBLIC health value?



"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well with delta with regard to severe illness and death, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission."

-CDC Director

[pgardn]

"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well with delta with regard to severe illness and death, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission."

-CDC Director

Yes they can.
ex.
People with chemotherapy can avoid getting Covid while immuno compromised if they were already vaccinated AND avoid people who are spreading it.
When their immune system has returned to robust then the symptoms of the infection could very well be unnoticeable. The time frame that some people get infected is VERY important. During that time, when your wife is undergoing chemo, you will wear a mask and you will be vaccinated therefore you will be less likely to give her virus. Also the time frame in which infected people are shedding large amounts of virus is also very important to know...
Honest to god...

So this is within your family.
Now apply this to people you dont know.
Can you just saunter into a hospital treating patients who are very ill and most likely immunocompromised?
Do you know why we sterilize different places within hospitals.
Why is there this thing called hygiene? Whats that all about?

[pgardn]

I refuse to cover my mouth when sneezing.

muh right to let it loose.

And dont you dare make me stifle it. It will cause my head to blow up, just like masks have killed people through CO2 poisoning.

[DarrinS]

Yes they can.
ex.
People with chemotherapy can avoid getting Covid while immuno compromised if they were already vaccinated AND avoid people who are spreading it.
When their immune system has returned to robust then the symptoms of the infection could very well be unnoticeable. The time frame that some people get infected is VERY important. During that time, when your wife is undergoing chemo, you will wear a mask and you will be vaccinated therefore you will be less likely to give her virus. Also the time frame in which infected people are shedding large amounts of virus is also very important to know...
Honest to god...

So this is within your family.
Now apply this to people you dont know.
Can you just saunter into a hospital treating patients who are very ill and most likely immunocompromised?
Do you know why we sterilize different places within hospitals.
Why is there this thing called hygiene? Whats that all about?


I refuse to cover my mouth when sneezing.

muh right to let it loose.

And dont you dare make me stifle it. It will cause my head to blow up, just like masks have killed people through CO2 poisoning.


You seem angry.

[spurraider21]

How so? How is your health my business?
because this is a contagious disease and we are in a pandemic


You're moving goalposts again. Try to stick with the topic of vaccinated vs natural immunity. I don't think Joe really thinks people should go out and seek COVID. I think he was offering a counter to Gupta's comment about natural immunity folks going out and getting the vaccine to protect others, not sure who but some others obviously. You also don't get it that there's no "we" where health is concerned. There's only you and there's me. I have no say in how healthy you live your life. If you are not endangering me, then I have no business in your business. If a person with natural immunity is more protected than you are, then you're the one risking people's lives moreso than the NI person. I don't care if it's all you can do, it's still a fact.
the bolded is moving the goalpost. the goalpost was vaccinated vs unvaccinated. and whether you've already had covid or not, being vaccinated offers greater protection than being unvaccinated.

this isn't a competition or zero sum game to measure penis sizes and how immune one is. this isnt a question of less immune people telling more immune people what to do. its in the public's best interest for everybody to me as protected as they reasonably can

it is reasonable to have people get vaccinated. its not reasonable to have people catch covid. there's a difference between the two.


There's that "within reason" caveat again. I guess my suggestion to you wasn't within reason. It's better that you risk people's lives than avoid seeing them. However since it doesn't affect you, you want to tell someone else what to do with their own body, someone less likely to infect others than are you. I thought the left was against that.
do you think its within reason to have everyone avoid seeing people in perpetuity? of course reasonableness has to come into the equation. this is how you make policy. unless you are incapable of dealing with elementary level nuance

i dont care what you think "the left" is against. the problem with a contagious disease is that it is not just "your body"

[pgardn]

You seem angry.

Yeah?

ok...
My bad.
Seeming is believing I guess.

[hater]

Well, let's put it in numbers. US population: 330 million, 1% of that: 3.3 million. That's a lot of people.

Especially since the vaccine brings down that number considerably, at much, much less than 1% risk to you.

A lot of ppl die all d time nig. Im for vaxing the very old and sick. The young and healthy can either vax or get natural immunity. :tu

Folllow da science :tu




If you're following the science, then you're vaccinated. I am too.

I vaxed cause I had to travel overseas. Ce la vi. But it should be optional. No mandates :tu

[ElNono]

Not important since the part Darrin was referring to was simple guidance. The rest of the document is unimportant. Both sides here think the most vulnerable should be protected first, and that people should have a high resistance to the virus. The difference between the sides is that one side thinks anything above "best vaccinated immunity" is gravy, while the other side still wants people at that level to go even further for the sake of the collective. (there I said collective).

I agree that given the point Darrin was trying to make, it failed at delivery, peer review or not.

As to the rest, what I take exception to (and not necessarily advanced by you) is the notion that ‘natural immunity’ is a thing or a replacement for vaccination. It isn’t. Despite the odds being relatively small, the Darwin sweepstakes are measurably much easier to win than getting a largely safe, effective vaccine.

If you like thrills, wanna be edgy or have a death wish, then by all means do your thing. But if we’re talking your average citizen, vaccination is indisputably the better option to face this virus.

[ElNono]

A lot of ppl die all d time nig.

This is not an argument. Under this premise we don’t develop medicine at all, since “we’re all going to die one day”… with attitudes like that we would’ve been extinct already.

And no, diseases like this kill a boatload more people than your average, similar disease. That’s why this is a public health emergency and we take exceptional steps like lockdowns, social distancing, etc.




I vaxed cause I had to travel overseas. Ce la vi. But it should be optional. No mandates :tu

If you’re making it optional, then you’re making optional following the science…

[ChumpDumper]

I vaxed cause I had to travel overseas.

Mandates work.:tu

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Mandates work.:tu

Not so much, Dumper...MF Biden has lost 50k of dead Americans in the last 30 days, daddy.

[hater]

If you’re making it optional, then you’re making optional following the science…

If you make it mandatory for children and youth you are not following d science ma nig. As its more dangerous to them than the virus itseld.

Follow da science :tu

[hater]

Mandates work.:tu

You just said there are no mandates at all :lmao

:lmao. Chump

[ElNono]

If you make it mandatory for children and youth you are not following d science ma nig. As its more dangerous to them than the virus itseld.

Follow da science :tu

The bolded is endorsed by science at this time. Follow da science :tu

[hater]

The bolded is endorsed by science at this time. Follow da science :tu

Correct. Thus its not science to force vax on kids.

:tu

Follow da science :tu

[DMC]

I agree that given the point Darrin was trying to make, it failed at delivery, peer review or not.

As to the rest, what I take exception to (and not necessarily advanced by you) is the notion that ‘natural immunity’ is a thing or a replacement for vaccination. It isn’t. Despite the odds being relatively small, the Darwin sweepstakes are measurably much easier to win than getting a largely safe, effective vaccine.

If you like thrills, wanna be edgy or have a death wish, then by all means do your thing. But if we’re talking your average citizen, vaccination is indisputably the better option to face this virus.

But we aren't suggesting that everyone should only rely on natural immunity. I am saying if you have natural immunity because you had COVID, then getting the vaccine for you should be about on par with a fully vaxxed person getting a booster shot. AFAIK we aren't talking about the non immunity, unvaxxed.

[ElNono]

But we aren't suggesting that everyone should only rely on natural immunity. I am saying if you have natural immunity because you had COVID, then getting the vaccine for you should be about on par with a fully vaxxed person getting a booster shot. AFAIK we aren't talking about the non immunity, unvaxxed.

I get what you're saying, I was just pointing out what I take exception to.

Some (not you) do indeed advance, incorrectly, that getting infected with COVID is less risky (in terms of death or hospitalization) than getting vaccinated.

Or try to conclude that because having the infection might give you better/longer-lasting antibody protection against the virus than a given vaccine, 'natural immunity' is indeed an alternative solution to vaccination. That premise is largely incorrect, as doesn't take into account the risk of hospitalization or death and the pressure that puts on our healthcare system, which can be completely avoided with a free and extremely safe vaccine. This misinformation is what I take issue with.

This is basic risk management. Again, this assumes the individual has an above room temperature IQ and that the ultimate goal is to have the best odds of survival. That assumption might not always hold though.

[ElNono]

Correct. Thus its not science to force vax on kids.

:tu

Follow da science :tu

So you made a claim unsupported by science. Please stop making stuff up and follow your own advice :tu

[Winehole23]

If Delta still has evolutionary pathways to higher transmissibility, "let 'er rip" is a terrible strategy.

The fullest possible degree of vaccination against COVID is a reasonable precaution. If that means more mandates, so be it.

[hater]

So you made a claim unsupported by science. Please stop making stuff up and follow your own advice :tu

No. It is science ma nig. Read up and learn:

US researchers say teenagers are more likely to get vaccine-related myocarditis than end up in hospital with Covid

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study


Follow da science

[DarrinS]

Already ripped, tbh

[hater]

If Delta still has evolutionary pathways to higher transmissibility, "let 'er rip" is a terrible strategy.

The fullest possible degree of vaccination against COVID is a reasonable precaution. If that means more mandates, so be it.

Kids are fine. No risk at all from covid.

No mass school deaths as you predicted. Thank God you were wrong :tu

[DMC]

I get what you're saying, I was just pointing out what I take exception to.

Some (not you) do indeed advance, incorrectly, that getting infected with COVID is less risky (in terms of death or hospitalization) than getting vaccinated.

Well that's fucking stupid. The statistics clearly show the number of COIVID related deaths based on COVID caseload far exceeds the deaths caused by the vaccine vs total vaccinated.



Or try to conclude that because having the infection might give you better/longer-lasting antibody protection against the virus than a given vaccine, 'natural immunity' is indeed an alternative solution to vaccination. That premise is largely incorrect, as doesn't take into account the risk of hospitalization or death and the pressure that puts on our healthcare system, which can be completely avoided with a free and extremely safe vaccine. This misinformation is what I take issue with.

In retrospect it could be, but that doesn't make it a viable working solution moving forward for those without COVID immunity. You'd never want to intentionally contract a virus like that and certainly you couldn't suggest that. Could you imagine the CDC saying "we suggest you get COVID and see what happens"?


This is basic risk management. Again, this assumes the individual has an above room temperature IQ and that the ultimate goal is to have the best odds of survival. That assumption might not always hold though.
I think Joe Rogan is average IQ at best. He uses a lot of hyperbole to get a point across and I don't think he would suggest someone get COVID and be honest about it. Maybe he thinks it worked well for him, but then there's the group who thinks throwing a child into the water and they'll learn to swim on their own is a good idea. Hey those that learn will be strong swimmers. It's how nature does it.

[DMC]

Already ripped, tbh

Shredded like a julienne salad man...

[Winehole23]

Kids are fine. No risk at all from covid.

No mass school deaths as you predicted. Thank God you were wrong :tuThat's simply false, there was a terrible spike in infections and deaths From July-Sept. 1000+ schools closed. Flu and cold season is ahead of us, not behind us.

Given widespread, uncontrolled community transmission, COVID still presents a significant danger to all age groups in the USA.

[Winehole23]

let 'er rip crew

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LinearOfficialKudu-max-1mb.gif

[hater]

That's simply false, there was a terrible spike in infections and deaths From July-Sept. 1000+ schools closed. Flu and cold season is ahead of us, not behind us.

Given widespread, uncontrolled community transmission, COVID still presents a significant danger to all age groups in the USA.

They closed for a few days and opened right back up :tu

Kids are back to school and learning, playing and socializing :tu


Thank God you were wrong :tu

[hater]

let 'er rip crew

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LinearOfficialKudu-max-1mb.gif

Wineholes crew:

https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/4/2019/12/Alamy_A14A69-c-29b8790.jpg?quality=90&resize=768%2C574

[Winehole23]

Aside: my grandkid just got COVID from a teacher who decided to ditch his mask when Austin hit stage 3. He's fine so far.

[Winehole23]

https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/4/2019/12/Alamy_A14A69-c-29b8790.jpg?quality=90&resize=768%2C574COVID was the second leading cause of death overall in the US last month, number one for people age 35-54.

[DMC]

Aside: my grandkid just got COVID from a teacher who decided to ditch his mask when Austin hit stage 3. He's fine so far.

Hope your grandkid does well with this WH.

[Winehole23]

Hope your grandkid does well with this WH.thanks, DMC

[Winehole23]

https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/4/2019/12/Alamy_A14A69-c-29b8790.jpg?quality=90&resize=768%2C574Idaho, Montana and Alaska declared crisis standards of care -- healthcare rationing -- last month.

[ElNono]

No. It is science ma nig. Read up and learn:

US researchers say teenagers are more likely to get vaccine-related myocarditis than end up in hospital with Covid

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

Follow da science

That's not what you claimed though, you claimed:

As its more dangerous to them than the virus itself

that's not supported by science, nor by the article you linked and probably didn't read either. ie:

The overwhelming majority of myocarditis appears after the second dose of vaccine, so offering single shots could protect children while reducing their risk of the side effect even further.

Stop making shit up, and follow the science :tu

[DarrinS]

Aside: my grandkid just got COVID from a teacher who decided to ditch his mask when Austin hit stage 3. He's fine so far.


Teacher not vaxxed?

My son's school on second week of optional mask policy. So far, so good.

[hater]

That's not what you claimed though, you claimed:

As its more dangerous to them than the virus itself

that's not supported by science, nor by the article you linked and probably didn't read either. ie:

The overwhelming majority of myocarditis appears after the second dose of vaccine, so offering single shots could protect children while reducing their risk of the side effect even further.

Stop making shit up, and follow the science :tu

"Lets offer single shots since it appears the 2nd shot hurts the kids"

:lmao

Yeah thats absolutely NOT following the science :lmao

My statement is 100% correct: the pfizer vax is more dangerous to teens and children than the virus itself. :tu

Follow da science :tu

[ElNono]

Well that's fucking stupid. The statistics clearly show the number of COIVID related deaths based on COVID caseload far exceeds the deaths caused by the vaccine vs total vaccinated.

In retrospect it could be, but that doesn't make it a viable working solution moving forward for those without COVID immunity. You'd never want to intentionally contract a virus like that and certainly you couldn't suggest that. Could you imagine the CDC saying "we suggest you get COVID and see what happens"?

It's indeed inane. I don't know if it's a social experiment on how many idiots you can find to spread stupidity or what, but it apparently works to some extent, even when their life could be on the line.

I mean, we do know that sort of brainwash works from some theocratic societies, but at least there the promise is to get fresh pussy when you die. You don't even get a Darwin award here.


I think Joe Rogan is average IQ at best. He uses a lot of hyperbole to get a point across and I don't think he would suggest someone get COVID and be honest about it. Maybe he thinks it worked well for him, but then there's the group who thinks throwing a child into the water and they'll learn to swim on their own is a good idea. Hey those that learn will be strong swimmers. It's how nature does it.

I never heard/watched a single show of Joe Rogan, I frankly have no idea what he's about. I do know he has a radio show of sorts? So did Limbaugh, Alex Jones and Howard Stern. I don't know I want to get healthcare advice from any of them.

[ElNono]

"Lets offer single shots since it appears the 2nd shot hurts the kids"

:lmao

:lol now you're arguing with the article you shared yourself?

so which is it, do we take that article seriously or not? :lmao

make up your mind, tbh

[pgardn]

So you made a claim unsupported by science. Please stop making stuff up and follow your own advice :tu

It will take more than pleading.

This is the same guy that crocodile cries over the deaths of innocent civilians via US drone.
Then applauds the deaths of innocent Syrian families gassed by Assad.
Then claims everyone will die so what does it matter.

[Winehole23]

Teacher not vaxxed?

My son's school on second week of optional mask policy. So far, so good.Why brag if he's got nothing to worry about and there's nothing to be done about it even if you did?

[pgardn]

Teacher not vaxxed?

My son's school on second week of optional mask policy. Sob far, so good.

Teachers are not immune from stupid.

And I hope this trend continues after Thanksgiving and then after Winter break.
We need the kids in school in a bad way. This is a very stupid way to experiment imo.
We need case loads to stay low, thats what we need so its ridiculous not to mask to make it happen.
This masking stuff is clearly not fun, especially for teachers. And it may become a thing of choice everywhere (I will continue to wear a mask in airports and on airplanes as I personally have experienced zero head colds or other transmissible by air shit since this mask stuff started)
But for gods sake cant we make it a choice everywhere (except the obvious; hospitals etc) by not attempting to test the caseload influx.

I also think masks are here to stay by choice for some people and places. I still see people wearing them outside and walking. I guess it has helped them with allergies. Or they dont get transmission probabilities.

[DarrinS]

Why brag if he's got nothing to worry about and there's nothing to be done about it even if you did?

Who's bragging?

You never answered if the teacher was vaxxed.

[ChumpDumper]

You just said there are no mandates at all :lmao

:lmao. ChumpWhich country had the mandate?

[Winehole23]

Who's bragging?

You never answered if the teacher was vaxxed.I don't know, tbh

[pgardn]

I don't know, tbh

There are teachers who refuse just like health care workers and just like some physicians.
I have discovered that having a job that implies you understand our situation with this virus does not mean the so called "experts" believe it.
The nurse that thought she was magnetic, I think she had one of the nursing labels that required her to have a degree that involved science classes.

[Cuck Ross]

Teachers are not immune from stupid.

And I hope this trend continues after Thanksgiving and then after Winter break.
We need the kids in school in a bad way. This is a very stupid way to experiment imo.
We need case loads to stay low, thats what we need so its ridiculous not to mask to make it happen.
This masking stuff is clearly not fun, especially for teachers. And it may become a thing of choice everywhere (I will continue to wear a mask in airports and on airplanes as I personally have experienced zero head colds or other transmissible by air shit since this mask stuff started)
But for gods sake cant we make it a choice everywhere (except the obvious; hospitals etc) by not attempting to test the caseload influx.

I also think masks are here to stay by choice for some people and places. I still see people wearing them outside and walking. I guess it has helped them with allergies. Or they dont get transmission probabilities.

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[Winehole23]

I don't know, tbhJ&J, turns out

[Will Hunting]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

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[boutons_deux]

In FL, punished if you are vaccinated

Anti-Vaxxer Florida School Requiring 30 Day Quarantine-FOR BEING Vaccinated!

“Because of the potential impact on other students and our school community,

vaccinated students will need to stay at home for 30 days post-vaccination

for each dose and booster they receive and

may return to school after 30 days as long as the student is healthy and symptom-free.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/10/18/2058720/-Sit-Down-For-This-One-Anti-Vaxxer-Florida-School-Requiring-30-Day-Quarantine-FOR-BEING-Vaccinated

[boutons_deux]

‘People Actually Die as a Result of Watching Fox News’:

Mehdi Hasan Says Fox ‘Misinformation’ Led to Deaths in Iraq, Covid Pandemic

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/people-actually-die-as-a-result-of-watching-fox-news-mehdi-hasan-says-fox-misinformation-led-to-deaths-in-iraq-covid-pandemic/

Murdoch's don't care, the more viewers "engaged" by hate, anger, ignorance, the better for advertising sales.

Exactly the same business calculation at Facebook

[Winehole23]

Vax only policy is a realpolitikal compromise than won't stop the pandemic and guarantees even more mass sickness and death.

You first duty is to eat shit and die so that others may have the ROI to which they have have become accustomed; your second duty is never to complain about it.



The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined, especially considering the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant and the likelihood of future variants. Other pharmacological and non-pharmacological interventions may need to be put in place alongside increasing vaccination rates. Such course correction, especially with regards to the policy narrative, becomes paramount with emerging scientific evidence on real world effectiveness of the vaccines.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

[hater]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

1450470808690831372

:tu

[hater]

Vax only policy is a realpolitikal compromise than won't stop the pandemic and guarantees even more mass sickness and death.

You first duty is to eat shit and die so that others may have the ROI to which they have have become accustomed; your second duty is never to complain about it.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/

:tu

[Winehole23]

follow da science :tu

https://news.virginia.edu/content/qa-vaccine-emergency-use-around-corner-children-5-11

[Winehole23]

:tuYou want to see Americans suffer and die.

So edgy.

[DMC]

You want to see Americans suffer and die.

So edgy.

Once they die you'll piss on their graves.

[SnakeBoy]

‘People Actually Die as a Result of Watching Fox News’:

Mehdi Hasan Says Fox ‘Misinformation’ Led to Deaths in Iraq, Covid Pandemic

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/people-actually-die-as-a-result-of-watching-fox-news-mehdi-hasan-says-fox-misinformation-led-to-deaths-in-iraq-covid-pandemic/

Murdoch's don't care, the more viewers "engaged" by hate, anger, ignorance, the better for advertising sales.

Exactly the same business calculation at Facebook

MSNBC host says Fox News bad

Cool story

[Winehole23]

Once they die you'll piss on their graves.Not my style, tbh. I don't celebrate death.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1450410755698958337?s=20

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1450410755698958337?s=20wrong thread

[DarrinS]

Positivity rate Bexar county

8/21-8/27. 10.6%
8/28-9/3. 7.6%
9/4-9/10. 7.1%
9/11-9/17. 4.9%
9/18-9/24. 5.0%
9/25-10/1. 3.9%
10/2-10/8 3.0%

10/11-10/17 2.1%

[Thread]

Not my style, tbh. I don't celebrate death.

My ass, you SOB, you. You counted coup on President Trump like there was nary tomorrow...a skinnin' & a grinnin' all the way down.

You can dish it.
& by God & sonny Jesus you're gonna take it, Winester.

Let us proceed...

[hater]

follow da science :tu

https://news.virginia.edu/content/qa-vaccine-emergency-use-around-corner-children-5-11

Half of US parents wont touch it qnd they will be following da science :tu

Follow da science :tu

[Nathan89]

wrong thread

It's applicable to this thread as well.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/Surabees/status/1450604494048436226?s=20

Nice to see a company speaking out against the authoritarians.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/Surabees/status/1450604494048436226?s=20

Nice to see a company speaking out against the authoritarians.It's back open after the owner folded.:tu

[Nathan89]

It's back open after the owner folded.:tu

"The fast-food restaurant located in Fisherman's Wharf was forced to shut down on October 14 but has since reopened with indoor dining remaining unavailable,"

You should look yourself in the mirror then ask yourself why you are supporting the authoritarian state.

[DMC]

Not my style, tbh. I don't celebrate death.

You just don't call it that.

[ChumpDumper]

"The fast-food restaurant located in Fisherman's Wharf was forced to shut down on October 14 but has since reopened with indoor dining remaining unavailable,"

You should look yourself in the mirror then ask yourself why you are supporting the authoritarian state.It's not authoritarian.

It's public health.

You should ask yourself why you can't state whether slavery is bad or whether blacks are your equals.

Actually I'll ask you.

Why is that?

[Ef-man]

Positivity rate Bexar county

8/21-8/27. 10.6%
8/28-9/3. 7.6%
9/4-9/10. 7.1%
9/11-9/17. 4.9%
9/18-9/24. 5.0%
9/25-10/1. 3.9%
10/2-10/8 3.0%

10/11-10/17 2.1%

Go Biden Go!

[DarrinS]

Go Biden Go!

Brandon doesn't even know where he is, half the time. Poor bastard.

[Winehole23]

It's applicable to this thread as well.how so?

[Winehole23]

Brandon doesn't even know where he is, half the time. Poor bastard.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/932/237/4df

[DarrinS]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/932/237/4df

Lame

[Winehole23]

Lame
Sorry for your loss, it's understandable you're still feeling tender about your man getting drummed by a corpse.

[DarrinS]

Sorry for your loss, it's understandable you're still feeling tender about your man getting drummed by a corpse.


Better get your booster, sadbert. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Darrin thinking booster shot is an insult

[Winehole23]

Better get your booster, sadbert. :lolDon't mind if I do. You should consider one too, your understanding of natural immunity is laughably naive.

[DarrinS]

Don't mind if I do. You should consider one too, your understanding of natural immunity is laughably naive.

Nope. I'm done. Life goes on for me.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope. I'm done. Life goes on for me.It goes on for people who get booster shots as well.

Sorry.

[DarrinS]

:lol Darrin thinking booster shot is an insult

I don't think its an insult at all. Got my 74 y.o. mother to get one.

And, if you're a fat fuck or otherwise very unhealthy, I highly recommend it.

[Winehole23]

Nope. I'm done. Life goes on for me.It goes on for everyone who merely survives, leaving your conscience behind is optional.

[DarrinS]

It goes on for everyone who merely survives, leaving your conscience behind is optional.



You have a date with delta. Sweet dreams.

[Winehole23]

Interesting wrinkle

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[Winehole23]

You have a date with delta. Sweet dreams.Over the next decade, we all probably do, tbh. That isn't the nightmare.

Social and political indifference to avoidable suffering and death has been, is and will be.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think its an insult at all. Got my 74 y.o. mother to get one.

And, if you're a fat fuck or otherwise very unhealthy, I highly recommend it.Yeah, that's not insulting.

You're a cunt, Darrin.

[DarrinS]

Do any of you know anyone with "long covid".

Not saying its not a real thing, but I don't know anyone with this issue.

[DarrinS]

Yeah, that's not insulting.

You're a cunt, Darrin.

You fat?

[DarrinS]

Over the next decade, we all probably do, tbh. That isn't the nightmare.

Social and political indifference to avoidable suffering and death has been, is and will be.

Its all over the globe. Don't blame China, tho.

[ChumpDumper]

You fat?Nope.

Never have been.

Ever.

Unlike you, skinbag.

[Winehole23]

Do any of you know anyone with "long covid".

Not saying its not a real thing, but I don't know anyone with this issue.Yep.

Continue to use personal ignorance as a shield, it suits you.

[Winehole23]

Its all over the globe. Don't blame China, tho.Feel free to blame China for our rampant infection and avoidable mass death, that suits you too.

[ChumpDumper]

Do any of you know anyone with "long covid".

Not saying its not a real thing, but I don't know anyone with this issue.

You claim not to know anyone who got COVID twice either when one poster here just told you he did a few days ago.

[ElNono]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/932/237/4df

lmao

[DarrinS]

You claim not to know anyone who got COVID twice either when one poster here just told you he did a few days ago.

No one I know personally.

[ChumpDumper]

No one I know personally.And that's all that could possibly count with you....

[Winehole23]

No one I know personally.Then it must not be real.

QED

[DarrinS]

Nope.

Never have been.

Ever.

Unlike you, skinbag.


Your sedentary posting history suggests otherwise.

No excess skin for me, as I was barely over 200 lbs. :lol

[DarrinS]

Then it must not be real.

QED


I know a lot of people who had covid, but don't know any with "long covid".

[Winehole23]

Your sedentary posting history suggests otherwise.

No excess skin for me, as I was barely over 200 lbs. :lolwhy are you so obsessed with obesity?

[Winehole23]

I know a lot of people who had covid, but don't know any with "long covid".dunno why you have to soothe yourself like this. maybe you do have a conscience.

[DarrinS]

dunno why you have to soothe yourself like this. maybe you do have a conscience.

Its supposed to be "very common".

I know zero people with this condition.

[DarrinS]

why are you so obsessed with obesity?


Because its terrible for you and totally avoidable.

[Winehole23]

Its supposed to be "very common".

I know zero people with this condition.you seem to set a great store by your own ignorance.

[Winehole23]

Because its terrible for you and totally avoidable.totally?

do tell.

[Winehole23]

smoking and drinking are terrible for you too, btw.

[ChumpDumper]

Your sedentary posting history suggests otherwise.

No excess skin for me, as I was barely over 200 lbs. :lol:lmao that's so fucking fat for an angry little man

Loose flab everywhere.

Pathetic.

[ChumpDumper]

why are you so obsessed with obesity?Because he was a short porker and now he projects his shame on everyone else.

[Winehole23]

New Mexico declares crisis standards of care -- healthcare rationing.

This is from two days ago.

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[Winehole23]

1450635423051620354

[Winehole23]

Idaho declared crisis standards of care a little over one month ago.

[Winehole23]

Vax rate in Idaho is barely over 30%.

[Thread]

New Mexico declares crisis standards of care -- healthcare rationing.

This is from two days ago.

1450211767754403842

Blue state in dire need of that (plan) MF Biden will not divulge.

[hater]

Nope. I'm done. Life goes on for me.

Same here :tu

Time to party

[hater]

https://twitter.com/reg1776/status/1450283219463675908?s=19

[Thread]

https://twitter.com/reg1776/status/1450283219463675908?s=19

They've left the rails now.

Just wait till they toss those 30 million children onto the unvaxxed count and it immediately stalls out.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/reg1776/status/1450283219463675908?s=19hater doesn't want to follow the science now.

lol hater

[boutons_deux]

Right-Wing Media Kills People Who Take Their Advice


https://www.laprogressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/dying-to-own-the-libs-1200-1024x765.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Washington state trooper shares dramatic parting video after termination for refusing vaccine

Hundreds of Washington State Patrol (WSP) employees retired early or were let go Monday due to Washington State’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate.

The state’s governor, Jay Inslee, gave state employees, teachers, and health care workers a deadline of Oct. 18 to be fully vaccinated against the coronavirus.

According to NBC News affiliate KGW (https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/washington-state-patrol-covid-vaccine-mandate/283-9f49b8d2-b94d-463c-9967-447062c6b139?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot), a total of 127 WSP employees were let go Monday out of more than 2,200 WSP personnel across the state due to the mandate.

“I wish I could say more, but this is it so state 10-34, this is the last time you’ll hear me in a state patrol car.

And Jay Inslee can kiss my ass.”
The 22-year veteran of the Washington State Patrol claimed

he had religious objections :lol

to the vaccine and that the issue was not political, but about religious liberties :lol and freedom :lol to him.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/10/19/2059048/-Washington-state-trooper-shares-dramatic-parting-video-after-termination-for-refusing-vaccine

State cop got his ass not kissed, but kicked out. Unemployment pay? 22 years of pension?

Sounds like a devout Christian, dedicated to serving the public with covid disease

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/245950315_224952916402957_3284310557218640750_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=Lm1qz3PWMZcAX9GvB_h&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-1.xx&oh=da777ff2ade2bd7e719bb9a854d460bb&oe=61957C5C

[hater]

hater doesn't want to follow the science now.

lol hater

Mixin n matchin aint following da science dawg

Follow da science :tu

[SnakeBoy]

Study Destroys Justification for Vaccine Mandates
CDC and State Health Department scientists find similar or higher viral load of Covid-19 virus among the vaccinated as compared to the unvaccinated
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/study-destroys-justification-for

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[Cuck Ross]

Study Destroys Justification for Vaccine Mandates
CDC and State Health Department scientists find similar or higher viral load of Covid-19 virus among the vaccinated as compared to the unvaccinated
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/study-destroys-justification-for

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F 9622e95f-a3ca-4b1c-8486-0226a3941a45_3641x1388.png

Well shit. As a vaccinated person not only am I responsible for mutations I’m also more likely to spread than the unvaccinated. :lol

[hater]

Study Destroys Justification for Vaccine Mandates
CDC and State Health Department scientists find similar or higher viral load of Covid-19 virus among the vaccinated as compared to the unvaccinated
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/study-destroys-justification-for

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F 9622e95f-a3ca-4b1c-8486-0226a3941a45_3641x1388.png

We knew this already tbqh :tu

Months ago.

Cheers

[Cuck Ross]

1450947395508858880

:wow

[ElNono]

Study Destroys Justification for Vaccine Mandates
CDC and State Health Department scientists find similar or higher viral load of Covid-19 virus among the vaccinated as compared to the unvaccinated
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/study-destroys-justification-for

https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F 9622e95f-a3ca-4b1c-8486-0226a3941a45_3641x1388.png

lol no... considering vaxtards have a much higher rate of hospitalization and death, vaccine mandates as a matter of public policy is very much justified...

Nice troll attempt though, 6.5/10, do not pass go, etc...

[ElNono]

1450947395508858880

:wow

:lol fake news...

Newsweek contacted the NIH for comment from Fauci and received this statement: "NIH has never approved any research that would make a coronavirus more dangerous to humans.

"The research we supported in China, where coronaviruses are prevalent, sought to understand the behavior of coronaviruses circulating in bats that have the potential to cause widespread disease. The body of science produced by this research demonstrates that the bat coronavirus sequences published from that work NIH supported were not SARS-CoV-2.

"More importantly, because of similar research to understand coronaviruses, we were able to move swiftly to develop vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 and save lives."

:worthy::worthy::worthy: Fauci :worthy::worthy::worthy:

[Winehole23]

lol no... considering vaxtards have a much higher rate of hospitalization and death, vaccine mandates as a matter of public policy is very much justified...

Nice troll attempt though, 6.5/10, do not pass go, etc...I’ve also read that viral titers in nasal tissues are similar b/w vaxxed and unvaxxed, though that seems less a refutation of vaccine mandates than a confirmation of the abiding need for a layered approach to prevention. Vaccines plus masking plus social distancing plus ventilation/humidification, etc.

Nasal vaccines and treatments would also be very welcome for this issue.

[spurraider21]

Do any of you know anyone with "long covid".

Not saying its not a real thing, but I don't know anyone with this issue.
thats exactly what you're saying

[ElNono]

I’ve also read that viral titers in nasal tissues are similar b/w vaxxed and unvaxxed, though that seems less a refutation of vaccine mandates than a confirmation of the abiding need for a layered approach to prevention. Vaccines plus masking plus social distancing plus ventilation/humidification, etc.

Nasal vaccines and treatments would also be very welcome for this issue.

All about goals. Do we want less hospitalized and less people at risk of dying of this thing? Then the vaccine is a no brainer.

If some want to act like children then you treat them like children.

When you didn't want to drink that nasty smelling soup as a child, mom would give you a mandate and forget about talking your way out of it cuz of muh freedom...

[SnakeBoy]

lol no... considering vaxtards have a much higher rate of hospitalization and death, vaccine mandates as a matter of public policy is very much justified...

Nice troll attempt though, 6.5/10, do not pass go, etc...

If the justification for mandates was to save people from themselves, keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed, etc. then you'd have a point and one I might even agree with. That isn't what your president is saying tho. He just said last week vaccinated people won't get the virus and it's the unvaxxed spreading the virus. Your president can't help but lie, even when he doesn't have to. Divider in chief smh.

[boutons_deux]

"Study Destroys Justification for Vaccine Mandates"

no matter the viral load, mask reduces the contagion

WTF does viral load have to do with mandate? :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Winehole23]

All about goals. Do we want less hospitalized and less people at risk of dying of this thing? Then the vaccine is a no brainer.

If some want to act like children then you treat them like children.

When you didn't want to drink that nasty smelling soup as a child, mom would give you a mandate and forget about talking your way out of it cuz of muh freedom...Snake Boy is trite as fuck and he knows better. But he can't help himself -- he's a dedicated shitposter.

[Winehole23]

Cunning use of something true to prop up a bullshit interpretation...

[ElNono]

If the justification for mandates was to save people from themselves, keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed, etc. then you'd have a point and one I might even agree with. That isn't what your president is saying tho. He just said last week vaccinated people won't get the virus and it's the unvaxxed spreading the virus. Your president can't help but lie, even when he doesn't have to. Divider in chief smh.

Brandon is your president too, he's not a doctor and he understand we're basically dealing with dumb people at this stage. At least this guy is trying to save a fool's life.

And excuse me, but now you're going to get offended because the president is bullshitting? I mean, at least he's not saying we have it "totally under control"... did you complain then?

Frankly, it doesn't matter what Brandon says or doesn't say, both you and I know that saving dumb people from themselves, keeping hospitals from getting overwhelmed, etc. is a good justification for mandates, which ultimately is all that matters.

[ElNono]

Snake Boy is trite as fuck and he knows better. But he can't help himself -- he's a dedicated shitposter.

He trolling

[Thread]

Brandon is your president too, he's not a doctor and he understand we're basically dealing with dumb people at this stage. At least this guy is trying to save a fool's life.

And excuse me, but now you're going to get offended because the president is bullshitting? I mean, at least he's not saying we have it "totally under control"... did you complain then?

Frankly, it doesn't matter what Brandon says or doesn't say, both you and I know that saving dumb people from themselves, keeping hospitals from getting overwhelmed, etc. is a good justification for mandates, which ultimately is all that matters.

He ain't mine, El. He's a squatter who lied and over 50k of Americans in the last 30 days are dead...

"I have a plan, but I have to squat in there first before I'll tell it."

[Thread]

If the justification for mandates was to save people from themselves, keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed, etc. then you'd have a point and one I might even agree with. That isn't what your president is saying tho. He just said last week vaccinated people won't get the virus and it's the unvaxxed spreading the virus. Your president can't help but lie, even when he doesn't have to. Divider in chief smh.

Tell it, Snake.

Testify!!!

[hater]

Brandon is your president too, he's not a doctor and he understand we're basically dealing with dumb people at this stage. At least this guy is trying to save a fool's life.

And excuse me, but now you're going to get offended because the president is bullshitting? I mean, at least he's not saying we have it "totally under control"... did you complain then?

Frankly, it doesn't matter what Brandon says or doesn't say, both you and I know that saving dumb people from themselves, keeping hospitals from getting overwhelmed, etc. is a good justification for mandates, which ultimately is all that matters.

A lot of spinning in this post :lol

Poor vax cultists now back to overwhelmed hospitals hoax. There are zero overwhelmed US hospitals atvthe moment.

Wake up

[ChumpDumper]

A lot of spinning in this post :lol

Poor vax cultists now back to overwhelmed hospitals hoax. There are zero overwhelmed US hospitals atvthe moment.

Wake up

:lmao "at the moment"

[hater]

"at the moment"

Correct :tu

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html


The hoax that we need to vax/boost to not overwhelm hospitals is deader than Joe Bidens son :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Correct :tu

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html


The hoax that we need to vax/boost to not overwhelm hospitals is deader than Joe Bidens son :lol

It's because of vaccinations that hospitals aren't overrun, genius.

That's why you can pretend you're special because you eat a steak.:lol

:rollin a steak :rollin

[Cuck Ross]

:lol fake news...

Newsweek contacted the NIH for comment from Fauci and received this statement: "NIH has never approved any research that would make a coronavirus more dangerous to humans.

"The research we supported in China, where coronaviruses are prevalent, sought to understand the behavior of coronaviruses circulating in bats that have the potential to cause widespread disease. The body of science produced by this research demonstrates that the bat coronavirus sequences published from that work NIH supported were not SARS-CoV-2.

"More importantly, because of similar research to understand coronaviruses, we were able to move swiftly to develop vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 and save lives."

:worthy::worthy::worthy: Fauci :worthy::worthy::worthy:

You are refuting something that was never claimed.

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8 violations :wow

[Winehole23]

Natural immunity as a firebreak against COVID might be overhyped, consider Iran

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.04.21264540v1

[hater]

It's because of vaccinations that hospitals aren't overrun, genius.

That's why you can pretend you're special because you eat a steak.:lol

:rollin a steak :rollin

So we achieved the goal. No more need for mandates then :tu

Cheers

[ChumpDumper]

So we achieved the goal. No more need for mandates then :tu

CheersWhat mandates?

:lol hater

[boutons_deux]

Unvaccinated people should expect to catch COVID-19 every 16 months

“Our results are based on average times of waning immunity across multiple infected individuals.”



The Yale School of Public Health analyzed data on natural immunity to estimate how often unvaccinated individuals can expect to become reinfected with COVID-19 for a new study.
The study determined that natural immunity is somewhat short.
Individuals who are unvaccinated can expect to be reinfected with the coronavirus roughly every 16-17 months.


https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/577541-unvaccinated-people-should-expect-to-catch-covid

[ElNono]

A lot of spinning in this post :lol

Poor vax cultists now back to overwhelmed hospitals hoax. There are zero overwhelmed US hospitals atvthe moment.

Wake up

A lot of nothing in this post :lol

Not difficult to find articles from actual doctors and hospitals reporting they had to build special areas for COVID patients, including tents outside or children areas re-fitted for COVID patients.

Just list me any other diseases that have filled up hospitals at the rate COVID has in the past 20 years. Go ahead, I'll wait.

[ElNono]

You are refuting something that was never claimed.

1444086756895117312Thread

8 violations :wow

Of course it was claimed in your previous tweet. This is called goalpost move, tbh.

[ElNono]

:lol this wasn't hospitals overwhelmed... it was just Yankee fans trolling...

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follow the science :tu

[SnakeBoy]

:lol this wasn't hospitals overwhelmed... it was just Yankee fans trolling...

1245114069339852802

follow the science :tu

Obama left the cupboards empty

[ElNono]

Obama left the cupboards empty

Feel free to pin it on whoever you want :tu

[Thread]

Obama left the cupboards empty

Yep, Hussein was too busy hustlin' race hand over fist.

[SnakeBoy]

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[ElNono]

1451381669127237658

:tu

[boutons_deux]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p843x403/247714550_249377213900952_9177350548386105156_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=9GZtELcA5McAX8HBi-z&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=d89df4b9febd38055389c85ba90bc5e5&oe=6177886B

[koriwhat]

1451381669127237658

I hope nurses like her get to dance their asses off burning in hell!


https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p843x403/247714550_249377213900952_9177350548386105156_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=9GZtELcA5McAX8HBi-z&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=d89df4b9febd38055389c85ba90bc5e5&oe=6177886B

You realize there's no CHINA VIRUS KUNG FLU VAX mandate(they haven't enforced one yet even though Dicktaster Biden said to) at Fox right? Fucking sheep and their dumb ass meme's.

[pgardn]

I hope nurses like her get to dance their asses off burning in hell!



You realize there's no CHINA VIRUS KUNG FLU VAX mandate(they haven't enforced one yet even though Dicktaster Biden said to) at Fox right? Fucking sheep and their dumb ass meme's.

There certainly are vax MANDATES in private business.
I have no idea if there is one at FOX news.

What airline have you taken that you were NOT required to wear a mask?

[koriwhat]

What airline have you taken that you were NOT required to wear a mask?

I haven't flown in years bro so stop with your make believe scenarios already.

[Thread]

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p843x403/247714550_249377213900952_9177350548386105156_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=9GZtELcA5McAX8HBi-z&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=d89df4b9febd38055389c85ba90bc5e5&oe=6177886B

MF Biden has lost over 55k of dead Americans in the last 30 days.

& counting, son.

[pgardn]

I haven't flown in years bro so stop with your make believe scenarios already.

Make believe.

People fly on airplanes and go to airports and WEAR masks because they are REQUIRED to do so.
It could be called a MANDATE.
Bro...

What world do you live in? I know you are not stupid. Yes, I mean that.

[pgardn]

MF Biden has lost over 55k of dead Americans in the last 30 days.

& counting, son.

You are using their shit.

[koriwhat]

Make believe.

People fly on airplanes and go to airports and WEAR masks because they are REQUIRED to do so.
It could be called a MANDATE.
Bro...

What world do you live in? I know you are not stupid. Yes, I mean that.

Cool story but you asked me what I wear on a plane... I haven't been on a plane in years so stop with your whataboutism bs when it doesn't even apply to me whatsoever rn.

[koriwhat]

You are using their shit.


New rules! Every death since Jan '21 is on Biden's pedo hands.

[boutons_deux]

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[Thread]

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Bend over, bouts. I'll grow inside your fuckin' body.

[DMC]

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HIPAA violation for the one filming





:lol no

[hater]

New rules! Every death since Jan '21 is on Biden's pedo hands.

AGREED

[pgardn]

New rules! Every death since Jan '21 is on Biden's pedo hands.

I never went by the old rules either, bro...

[pgardn]

Cool story but you asked me what I wear on a plane... I haven't been on a plane in years so stop with your whataboutism bs when it doesn't even apply to me whatsoever rn.

Its not a story its a fact. Private entities can make the rules. I bet you showed Whataburger by not wearing shoes, yeah?
Do you tell your customers that you have not been vaccinated for the flu or Covid?
And tell them you dont use new needles because you dont believe in the sniffles or any other microbe you cant see.
OSHA would love your place... bro... Now that would be... a cool story.

[daboom1]

The Hill reports Fauci’s 375k NIH grant was used “to drug beagles & lock their heads in mesh cages filled with hungry sand flies so that the insects could eat them alive.” Some dogs’ vocal cords were removed to prevent barking. All in the name of “science”

https://twitter.com/EAWilsonAuthor/status/1452009734047997955?t

[ElNono]

The Hill reports Fauci’s 375k NIH grant was used “to drug beagles & lock their heads in mesh cages filled with hungry sand flies so that the insects could eat them alive.” Some dogs’ vocal cords were removed to prevent barking. All in the name of “science”

https://twitter.com/EAWilsonAuthor/status/1452009734047997955?t

:lol fake Qhtistian pretending to care about animals.

[BackHome]

Left - Right - or Middle I think
all parties need to press China on what happened at the lab and we need to hold them accountable for killing millions of people around the world. If we don’t I can guarantee that one day they will unleash another weapon that only they have a cure for.

[ChumpDumper]

Left - Right - or Middle I think
all parties need to press China on what happened at the lab and we need to hold them accountable for killing millions of people around the world. If we don’t I can guarantee that one day they will unleash another weapon that only they have a cure for.And what if they don't?

[ElNono]

I rather we continue enslaving China and getting cheap clothes, electronics, etc, tbh...

[Winehole23]

Colorado pondering healthcare rationing.

~120 ICU beds are free for the whole state.

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[SnakeBoy]

The Hill reports Fauci’s 375k NIH grant was used “to drug beagles & lock their heads in mesh cages filled with hungry sand flies so that the insects could eat them alive.” Some dogs’ vocal cords were removed to prevent barking. All in the name of “science”

https://twitter.com/EAWilsonAuthor/status/1452009734047997955?t

:cry Why are you attacking science :cry

[Winehole23]

^^^fighting for the underderp, you love to see it.

:cry what about the puppies! :cry

[Cuck Ross]

In Major Shift, NIH Admits Funding Risky Virus Research in Wuhan
“I totally resent the lie you are now propagating.”
Dr. Anthony Fauci appeared to be channeling the frustration of millions of Americans when he spoke those words during an invective-laden, made-for-Twitter Senate hearing on July 20. You didn’t have to be a Democrat to be fed up with all the xenophobic finger-pointing and outright disinformation, coming mainly from the right, up to and including the claim that COVID-19 was a bioweapon cooked up in a lab.
The immediate target of Dr. Fauci’s wrath was Senator Rand Paul, who was pressing the nation’s top doctor to say whether the National Institutes of Health had ever funded risky coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Based on new information disclosed by the National Institutes of Health, however, Paul might have been onto something.
On Wednesday, the NIH sent a letter to members of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce that acknowledged two facts. One was that EcoHealth Alliance, a New York City–based nonprofit that partners with far-flung laboratories to research and prevent the outbreak of emerging diseases, did indeed enhance a bat coronavirus to become potentially more infectious to humans, which the NIH letter described as an “unexpected result” of the research it funded that was carried out in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The second was that EcoHealth Alliance violated the terms of its grant conditions stipulating that it had to report if its research increased the viral growth of a pathogen by tenfold.
The NIH based these disclosures on a research progress report that EcoHealth Alliance sent to the agency in August, roughly two years after it was supposed to. An NIH spokesperson told Vanity Fairthat Dr. Fauci was “entirely truthful in his statements to Congress,” and that he did not have the progress report that detailed the controversial research at the time he testified in July. But EcoHealth Alliance appeared to contradict that claim, and said in a statement: “These data were reported as soon as we were made aware, in our year four report in April 2018.”



The letter from the NIH (https://republicans-energycommerce.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NIH-Document-Production-Cover-Letter-2021.10.20_McMorris-Rodgers.pdf), and an accompanying analysis (https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus-bat-research), stipulated that the virus EcoHealth Alliance was researching could not have sparked the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, given the sizable genetic differences between the two. In a statement issued Wednesday, NIH director Dr. Francis Collins said that his agency “wants to set the record straight” on EcoHealth Alliance’s research, but added that any claims that it could have caused the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic are “demonstrably false.”
EcoHealth Alliance said in a statement that the science clearly proved that its research could not have led to the pandemic, and that it was “working with the NIH to promptly address what we believe to be a misconception about the grant’s reporting requirements and what the data from our research showed.”
But the NIH letter—coming after months of congressional demands for more information—seemed to underscore that America’s premier science institute has been less than forthcoming about risky research it has funded and failed to properly monitor. Instead of helping to lead a search for COVID-19’s origins, with the pandemic now firmly in its 19th month, the NIH has circled the wagons, defending its grant system and scientific judgment against a rising tide of questions. “It’s just another chapter in a sad tale of inadequate oversight, disregard for risk, and insensitivity to the importance of transparency,” said Stanford microbiologist Dr. David Relman. “Given all of the sensitivity about this work, it’s difficult to understand why NIH and EcoHealth have still not explained a number of irregularities with the reporting on this grant.”
The disclosures of the last four months—since Vanity Fair was first to detail how conflicts of interest resulting from U.S. government funding of controversial virology research hampered America’s investigation into COVID-19’s origins (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins?gclid=CjwKCAjwn8SLBhAyEiwAHNTJbZ74t9Jc4EfF d5cqb8zywIVOPRsWptgrop3-HtURi6vqW92INtZ15BoCGaQQAvD_BwE)—present an increasingly disturbing picture.



Early last month, The Intercept published (https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/)more than 900 pages of documents it obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the NIH, relating to EcoHealth Alliance’s grant research. But there was one document missing, a fifth and final progress report that EcoHealth Alliance had been required to submit at the end of its grant period in 2019.
In its letter Wednesday, NIH included that missing progress report (https://republicans-energycommerce.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Year-5-EHA.pdf), which was dated August 2021. That report described a “limited experiment,” as the NIH letter phrased it, in which laboratory mice infected with an altered virus became “sicker than those infected with” a naturally occurring one.
The letter did not mention the phrase “gain-of-function research” that has become so central to the bitter clashes over COVID-19’s origins. That type of controversial research—the manipulation of pathogens with the aim of making them more infectious in order to gauge their risk to humans—has divided the virology community. A review system established in 2017 requires federal agencies to particularly scrutinize any research proposals that involve enhancing a pathogen’s infectiousness to humans.
Dr. Fauci’s spokesperson told Vanity Fairthat EcoHealth Alliance’s research did not fall under that framework, since the experiments being funded “were not reasonably expected to increase transmissibility or virulence in humans.”
However, Alina Chan, a Boston-based scientist and coauthor of the book Viral: The Search for the Origin of COVID-19,said the NIH was in a “very challenging position. They funded research internationally to help study novel pathogens and prevent against them. But they had no way to know what viruses had been collected, what experiments had been conducted, and what accidents might have occurred.”
As scientists remain in a stalemate over the pandemic’s origins, another disclosure last month made clear that EcoHealth Alliance, in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was aiming to do the kind of research that could accidentally have led to the pandemic. On September 20, a group of internet sleuths calling themselves DRASTIC (short for Decentralized Radical Autonomous Search Team Investigating COVID-19) released a leaked $14 million grant proposal that EcoHealth Alliance had submitted in 2018 to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).



It proposed partnering with the Wuhan Institute of Virology and constructing SARS-related bat coronaviruses into which they would insert “human-specific cleavage sites” as a way to “evaluate growth potential” of the pathogens. Perhaps not surprisingly, DARPA rejected the proposal, assessing that it failed to fully address the risks of gain-of-function research.
The leaked grant proposal struck a number of scientists and researchers as significant for one reason. One distinctive segment of SARS-CoV-2’s genetic code is a furin cleavage site that makes the virus more infectious by allowing it to efficiently enter human cells. That is just the feature that EcoHealth Alliance and the Wuhan Institute of Virology had proposed to engineer in the 2018 grant proposal. “If I applied for funding to paint Central Park purple and was denied, but then a year later we woke up to find Central Park painted purple, I’d be a prime suspect,” said Jamie Metzl, a former executive vice president of the Asia Society, who sits on the World Health Organization’s advisory committee on human genome editing (https://www.who.int/ethics/topics/gene-editing/committee-members/en/index2.html) and has been calling for a transparent investigation into COVID-19’s origins.
The claims of a lab origin, made without evidence in April 2020 by President Donald Trump, have turned into a legitimate, long-haul hunt for the truth that even U.S. intelligence agencies cannot seem to determine. This summer an intelligence review ordered by President Joe Biden drew no definitive conclusions but left open the possibility that the virus leaked from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.
The NIH’s letter to Congress stated that the agency is giving EcoHealth five days to submit any unpublished data from the experiments it funded. Republican leaders of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, who in June asked the NIH to demand such data, said in a statement Wednesday that “it’s unacceptable that the NIH delayed asking EcoHealth Alliance to submit unpublished data about risky research that they were required to under the terms of their grant.”
Meanwhile, members of the DRASTIC coalition have continued their research. As one member, Gilles Demaneuf, a data scientist in New Zealand, told Vanity Fair,“I cannot be sure that [COVID-19 originated from] a research-related accident or infection from a sampling trip. But I am 100% sure there was a massive cover-up.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits-funding-risky-virus-research-in-wuhan

[ElNono]

said Stanford microbiologist Dr. David Relman

However, Alina Chan, a Boston-based scientist and coauthor of the book Viral: The Search for the Origin of COVID-19, said

said Jamie Metzl, a former executive

:lol again, you don't need to ask anybody's opinion if the documents say straight up what these people are claiming...

[pgardn]

:cry Why are you attacking science :cry

This is funny.
If we did not do research on dogs the major medical procedures now performed on hearts in human beings would be set back to almost nothing.
I dont particularly like this as I love dogs. But huge advances were made due to these experiments.
So because of this I suggest you and Chrissy decline any heart medicine or procedures as a show of support for non animal experimentation.

[Cuck Ross]

said Stanford microbiologist Dr. David Relman

However, Alina Chan, a Boston-based scientist and coauthor of the book Viral: The Search for the Origin of COVID-19, said

said Jamie Metzl, a former executive

:lol again, you don't need to ask anybody's opinion if the documents say straight up what these people are claiming...
It’s just another chapter in a sad tale of inadequate oversight, disregard for risk, and insensitivity to the importance of transparency,” said Stanford microbiologist Dr. David Relman. “Given all of the sensitivity about this work, it’s difficult to understand why NIH and EcoHealth have still not explained a number of irregularities with the reporting on this grant.”

what’s your issue with this?

However, Alina Chan, a Boston-based scientist and coauthor of the book Viral: The Search for the Origin of COVID-19,said the NIH was in a “very challenging position. They funded research internationally to help study novel pathogens and prevent against them. But they had no way to know what viruses had been collected, what experiments had been conducted, and what accidents might have occurred.”

what’s your issue with this?


If I applied for funding to paint Central Park purple and was denied, but then a year later we woke up to find Central Park painted purple, I’d be a prime suspect,” said Jamie Metzl, a former executive vice president of the Asia Society, who sits on the World Health Organization’s advisory committee on human genome editing (https://www.who.int/ethics/topics/gene-editing/committee-members/en/index2.html) and has been calling for a transparent investigation into COVID-19’s origins.

what’s your issue with this?

The documents clearly say this.

On Wednesday, the NIH sent a letter to members of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce that acknowledged two facts. One was that EcoHealth Alliance, a New York City–based nonprofit that partners with far-flung laboratories to research and prevent the outbreak of emerging diseases, did indeed enhance a bat coronavirus to become potentially more infectious to humans, which the NIH letter described as an “unexpected result” of the research it funded that was carried out in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The second was that EcoHealth Alliance violated the terms of its grant conditions stipulating that it had to report if its research increased the viral growth of a pathogen by tenfold.

[pgardn]

In Major Shift, NIH Admits Funding Risky Virus Research in Wuhan


“I totally resent the lie you are now propagating.”
Dr. Anthony Fauci appeared to be channeling the frustration of millions of Americans when he spoke those words during an invective-laden, made-for-Twitter Senate hearing on July 20. You didn’t have to be a Democrat to be fed up with all the xenophobic finger-pointing and outright disinformation, coming mainly from the right, up to and including the claim that COVID-19 was a bioweapon cooked up in a lab.
The immediate target of Dr. Fauci’s wrath was Senator Rand Paul, who was pressing the nation’s top doctor to say whether the National Institutes of Health had ever funded risky coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Based on new information disclosed by the National Institutes of Health, however, Paul might have been onto something.
On Wednesday, the NIH sent a letter to members of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce that acknowledged two facts. One was that EcoHealth Alliance, a New York City–based nonprofit that partners with far-flung laboratories to research and prevent the outbreak of emerging diseases, did indeed enhance a bat coronavirus to become potentially more infectious to humans, which the NIH letter described as an “unexpected result” of the research it funded that was carried out in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The second was that EcoHealth Alliance violated the terms of its grant conditions stipulating that it had to report if its research increased the viral growth of a pathogen by tenfold.
The NIH based these disclosures on a research progress report that EcoHealth Alliance sent to the agency in August, roughly two years after it was supposed to. An NIH spokesperson told Vanity Fairthat Dr. Fauci was “entirely truthful in his statements to Congress,” and that he did not have the progress report that detailed the controversial research at the time he testified in July. But EcoHealth Alliance appeared to contradict that claim, and said in a statement: “These data were reported as soon as we were made aware, in our year four report in April 2018.”



The letter from the NIH (https://republicans-energycommerce.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NIH-Document-Production-Cover-Letter-2021.10.20_McMorris-Rodgers.pdf), and an accompanying analysis (https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus-bat-research), stipulated that the virus EcoHealth Alliance was researching could not have sparked the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, given the sizable genetic differences between the two. In a statement issued Wednesday, NIH director Dr. Francis Collins said that his agency “wants to set the record straight” on EcoHealth Alliance’s research, but added that any claims that it could have caused the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic are “demonstrably false.”
EcoHealth Alliance said in a statement that the science clearly proved that its research could not have led to the pandemic, and that it was “working with the NIH to promptly address what we believe to be a misconception about the grant’s reporting requirements and what the data from our research showed.”
But the NIH letter—coming after months of congressional demands for more information—seemed to underscore that America’s premier science institute has been less than forthcoming about risky research it has funded and failed to properly monitor. Instead of helping to lead a search for COVID-19’s origins, with the pandemic now firmly in its 19th month, the NIH has circled the wagons, defending its grant system and scientific judgment against a rising tide of questions. “It’s just another chapter in a sad tale of inadequate oversight, disregard for risk, and insensitivity to the importance of transparency,” said Stanford microbiologist Dr. David Relman. “Given all of the sensitivity about this work, it’s difficult to understand why NIH and EcoHealth have still not explained a number of irregularities with the reporting on this grant.”
The disclosures of the last four months—since Vanity Fair was first to detail how conflicts of interest resulting from U.S. government funding of controversial virology research hampered America’s investigation into COVID-19’s origins (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins?gclid=CjwKCAjwn8SLBhAyEiwAHNTJbZ74t9Jc4EfF d5cqb8zywIVOPRsWptgrop3-HtURi6vqW92INtZ15BoCGaQQAvD_BwE)—present an increasingly disturbing picture.



Early last month, The Intercept published (https://theintercept.com/2021/09/06/new-details-emerge-about-coronavirus-research-at-chinese-lab/)more than 900 pages of documents it obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the NIH, relating to EcoHealth Alliance’s grant research. But there was one document missing, a fifth and final progress report that EcoHealth Alliance had been required to submit at the end of its grant period in 2019.
In its letter Wednesday, NIH included that missing progress report (https://republicans-energycommerce.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Year-5-EHA.pdf), which was dated August 2021. That report described a “limited experiment,” as the NIH letter phrased it, in which laboratory mice infected with an altered virus became “sicker than those infected with” a naturally occurring one.
The letter did not mention the phrase “gain-of-function research” that has become so central to the bitter clashes over COVID-19’s origins. That type of controversial research—the manipulation of pathogens with the aim of making them more infectious in order to gauge their risk to humans—has divided the virology community. A review system established in 2017 requires federal agencies to particularly scrutinize any research proposals that involve enhancing a pathogen’s infectiousness to humans.
Dr. Fauci’s spokesperson told Vanity Fairthat EcoHealth Alliance’s research did not fall under that framework, since the experiments being funded “were not reasonably expected to increase transmissibility or virulence in humans.”
However, Alina Chan, a Boston-based scientist and coauthor of the book Viral: The Search for the Origin of COVID-19,said the NIH was in a “very challenging position. They funded research internationally to help study novel pathogens and prevent against them. But they had no way to know what viruses had been collected, what experiments had been conducted, and what accidents might have occurred.”
As scientists remain in a stalemate over the pandemic’s origins, another disclosure last month made clear that EcoHealth Alliance, in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was aiming to do the kind of research that could accidentally have led to the pandemic. On September 20, a group of internet sleuths calling themselves DRASTIC (short for Decentralized Radical Autonomous Search Team Investigating COVID-19) released a leaked $14 million grant proposal that EcoHealth Alliance had submitted in 2018 to the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA).



It proposed partnering with the Wuhan Institute of Virology and constructing SARS-related bat coronaviruses into which they would insert “human-specific cleavage sites” as a way to “evaluate growth potential” of the pathogens. Perhaps not surprisingly, DARPA rejected the proposal, assessing that it failed to fully address the risks of gain-of-function research.
The leaked grant proposal struck a number of scientists and researchers as significant for one reason. One distinctive segment of SARS-CoV-2’s genetic code is a furin cleavage site that makes the virus more infectious by allowing it to efficiently enter human cells. That is just the feature that EcoHealth Alliance and the Wuhan Institute of Virology had proposed to engineer in the 2018 grant proposal. “If I applied for funding to paint Central Park purple and was denied, but then a year later we woke up to find Central Park painted purple, I’d be a prime suspect,” said Jamie Metzl, a former executive vice president of the Asia Society, who sits on the World Health Organization’s advisory committee on human genome editing (https://www.who.int/ethics/topics/gene-editing/committee-members/en/index2.html) and has been calling for a transparent investigation into COVID-19’s origins.
The claims of a lab origin, made without evidence in April 2020 by President Donald Trump, have turned into a legitimate, long-haul hunt for the truth that even U.S. intelligence agencies cannot seem to determine. This summer an intelligence review ordered by President Joe Biden drew no definitive conclusions but left open the possibility that the virus leaked from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.
The NIH’s letter to Congress stated that the agency is giving EcoHealth five days to submit any unpublished data from the experiments it funded. Republican leaders of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, who in June asked the NIH to demand such data, said in a statement Wednesday that “it’s unacceptable that the NIH delayed asking EcoHealth Alliance to submit unpublished data about risky research that they were required to under the terms of their grant.”
Meanwhile, members of the DRASTIC coalition have continued their research. As one member, Gilles Demaneuf, a data scientist in New Zealand, told Vanity Fair,“I cannot be sure that [COVID-19 originated from] a research-related accident or infection from a sampling trip. But I am 100% sure there was a massive cover-up.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits-funding-risky-virus-research-in-wuhan




copy past wall of text and then dont read it.
propaganda of lazy derp.

They want to find the animal vector and its evolution and derp wants it to be manufactured in a lab.
Sorry derp.

[Cuck Ross]

copy past wall of text and then dont read it.
propaganda of lazy derp.

They want to find the animal vector and its evolution and derp wants it to be manufactured in a lab.
Sorry derp.

The US funded research has been lied about by multiple parties. No one is claiming Covid is from a lab leak yet they are just calling for more transparency. Did you even read the article?

[ChumpDumper]

What is TSA's conspiracy theory this time?

[baseline bum]

1451381669127237658

ROFL Karen

[daboom1]

https://i.ibb.co/kyzRzWy/IMG-20211024-155112.jpg

[ElNono]

It’s just another chapter in a sad tale of inadequate oversight, disregard for risk, and insensitivity to the importance of transparency,” said Stanford microbiologist Dr. David Relman. “Given all of the sensitivity about this work, it’s difficult to understand why NIH and EcoHealth have still not explained a number of irregularities with the reporting on this grant.”

what’s your issue with this?

However, Alina Chan, a Boston-based scientist and coauthor of the book Viral: The Search for the Origin of COVID-19,said the NIH was in a “very challenging position. They funded research internationally to help study novel pathogens and prevent against them. But they had no way to know what viruses had been collected, what experiments had been conducted, and what accidents might have occurred.”

what’s your issue with this?


If I applied for funding to paint Central Park purple and was denied, but then a year later we woke up to find Central Park painted purple, I’d be a prime suspect,” said Jamie Metzl, a former executive vice president of the Asia Society, who sits on the World Health Organization’s advisory committee on human genome editing (https://www.who.int/ethics/topics/gene-editing/committee-members/en/index2.html) and has been calling for a transparent investigation into COVID-19’s origins.

what’s your issue with this?

My issue is with fake news and outright lying. This is entirely a logical argument.

If the documents clearly state that this was gain-of-function research that unleashed COVID, you wouldn't need third parties having to explain that "what the documents really say is that this is a gain-of-function research that launched COVID".

You're (once again) trying to derive fact from fiction, by "connecting the dots" and all that stupidity. The 'smoking gun' documents clearly don't say what some people (including you) wanted them to say, that's too bad. The papers are available for everyone to see and discern for themselves what they actually say.


The documents clearly say this.

On Wednesday, the NIH sent a letter to members of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce that acknowledged two facts. One was that EcoHealth Alliance, a New York City–based nonprofit that partners with far-flung laboratories to research and prevent the outbreak of emerging diseases, did indeed enhance a bat coronavirus to become potentially more infectious to humans, which the NIH letter described as an “unexpected result” of the research it funded that was carried out in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The second was that EcoHealth Alliance violated the terms of its grant conditions stipulating that it had to report if its research increased the viral growth of a pathogen by tenfold.

You can't even keep up with your own story, so let me help you.

That's not "the documents" (which are the documents The Intercept obtained). The Intercept obtained those documents "early last month" per your own story, so "on wednesday" certainly falls well past when the documents were obtained.

The letter also doesn't make any claims about origins of COVID (much to your grief, I'm sure) or gain-of-function. Simply point out that one contractor broke it's agreement with the NIH.

[ElNono]

https://i.ibb.co/kyzRzWy/IMG-20211024-155112.jpg

:lmao more wishcasting from beep boop

[ElNono]

And what's with the alt Ross? Did you lose a bet? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.ibb.co/kyzRzWy/IMG-20211024-155112.jpg:lol what is this supposed to be?

Fauci actually looks more like a bad haircut Chief Brodie than any Nazi.

https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-o6vy9cv/products/85575/images/85621/191233__47940.1519244221.500.500.jpg

[Cuck Ross]

My issue is with fake news and outright lying. This is entirely a logical argument.

If the documents clearly state that this was gain-of-function research that unleashed COVID, you wouldn't need third parties having to explain that "what the documents really say is that this is a gain-of-function research that launched COVID".

You're (once again) trying to derive fact from fiction, by "connecting the dots" and all that stupidity. The 'smoking gun' documents clearly don't say what some people (including you) wanted them to say, that's too bad. The papers are available for everyone to see and discern for themselves what they actually say.



You can't even keep up with your own story, so let me help you.

That's not "the documents" (which are the documents The Intercept obtained). The Intercept obtained those documents "early last month" per your own story, so "on wednesday" certainly falls well past when the documents were obtained.

The letter also doesn't make any claims about origins of COVID (much to your grief, I'm sure) or gain-of-function. Simply point out that one contractor broke it's agreement with the NIH.You’re barking up the wrong tree.

Never once claimed the gain of function research unleashed Covid. Neither did anyone quoted in the article. Fauci lied about gain of function research being funded by the US.

[ElNono]

You’re barking up the wrong tree.

Never once claimed the gain of function research unleashed Covid. Neither did anyone quoted in the article. Fauci lied about gain of function research being funded by the US.

No, I'm not. Let me remind you what you posted, because it looks like you have shaky memory...


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:wow

The letter goes to great lengths to explain why the EcoHealth Alliance research couldn't have been the progenitor to COVID (which purportedly was the question asked to them by a member of Congress), AND doesn't mention even once gain-of-function.

That apparently didn't stop Richard H. Ebright, whoever that is, to claim the exact opposite in his clickbait tweet, and apparently you fell for it. It's ok, it happens.

This obviously comes after Dr Fauci made Trump look stupid and repeatedly schooled Rand Paul in Congress, and the fake news have been non-stop since.

I'm not a friend of Fauci, I don't owe him anything, but it's been clear for a long ass time Republicans hate his guts.

To sum up, there's zero evidence so far that Fauci lied about the NIH research in Wuhan, and there has never been any admission from the NIH that he lied about the NIH research in Wuhan either.

There's a bunch of internal papers from the NIH that also don't plainly state nor prove Fauci lied about the NIH research in Wuhan. But if you ask Ricky the biologist, or Rita the biochemist their opinions about those papers, they think it means Fauci lied. Good for them, it proves zero.

[hater]

Pandemic is over here. But maybe not for long.....


https://twitter.com/TrulyMonica/status/1451435034431275008?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1452614487522021378?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1451912771780718594?s=19