Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Adam Lambert]

" I buy tickets to DOZENS of future concerts, but can't go because anti-vaxxers "

Just one dozen. And we're not there yet. But if we get shut down again, yes, I blame anti-vaxxers and the people like you who enable them.

[DarrinS]

Just one dozen. And we're not there yet. But if we get shut down again, yes, I blame anti-vaxxers and the people like you who enable them.

Sure, Jan

[Adam Lambert]

Sure, Jan

Had a Live Nation lawn season pass two years ago. They didn't sell them last year or this year but we miss live music so we bought a bunch of tickets. Not like I'm bragging, lawn seats aren't that expensive.

[SnakeBoy]

Unless the argument is that wearing a mask indoors in public areas is somehow "not living life", which would be an incredibly retarded argument in and of itself, and I do think you're smarter than that, thus why I ruled it out.

Well I do think you're smart enough to know that I'm correct. I just don't know what you think is being accomplished by pretending people won't be infected by this virus.

[ElNono]

You're a vaccinated person wearing a mask to keep you from spreading the virus

What do you think that means?

What it sounds like it means.

[ElNono]

Well I do think you're smart enough to know that I'm correct. I just don't know what you think is being accomplished by pretending people won't be infected by this virus.

Another claim that I never made. Link, quote?

[SnakeBoy]

Another claim that I never made. Link, quote?

You agree that everyone will get infected then?

[ElNono]

The goal is that vaccinated people or people with antibodies from actually having the virus, kill the infection quicker and more efficiently than people that do not, and hopefully that slows down possible mutations.

As a bonus, we don't have to fret about millions of dead people and healthcare systems collapsing.

[ElNono]

You agree that everyone will get infected then?

In the next 20-50 years (my lifetime)? Possibly. Barring some new treatment to outright kill the infection/virus.

[hater]

What are the risks posed by COVID against a population that is 90% vaccinated vs. a population that is 50% vaccinated?

90%??

We will NEVER have 7.2 billion ppl vaccinated vs Covid in this planet especially when boosters are needed yearly or semesterly

50%, 60%

Wi it really make any difference? The shil has sailed. This has gone the way of the flu

[Thread]

In the next 20-50 years (my lifetime)? Possibly. Barring some new treatment to outright kill the infection/virus.

If only mother fucker Biden had delivered on his "plan."

tee, hee.

[ElNono]

If only mother fucker Biden had delivered on his "plan."

tee, hee.

Old Joe delivered the vaccines you don't want to take. It's really your problem now, tbh

[hater]

Is delta actually any deadlier per person infected?

Thats what I read. And the Lambda is obliterating Peru. Peru has deadliest covid rate in the world and I believe they lead the 2nd deadliest country by 2x or 3x

Lambda definitely is a deadlier variant

And remember Peru was already obliterated by Alpha variant but that Alpha immunity dindt help for shit

[hater]

You think herd immunity from vaccinations is the same as from infection? You think there's no difference in the overall implications?

So far it seems same.

Vaccine immunity seems to wane greatly at 6 months so does natural antibody immunity

[Thread]

Old Joe delivered the vaccines you don't want to take. It's really your problem now, tbh

Trump already created & delivered those, El. But let's face it, Biden never had a "plan." He just wanted in and did every crooked thing he could get his mitts on to accomplish it. Now he owns 230k of dead Americans on his end of the COVID Death Ledger. Serves him right.

[hater]

Gonna get interesting in florida

Fla. forecast to report more than 83,000 new cases of COVID per day by Aug. 9

According to the Mayo Clinic’s COVID-19 forecast tool, almost all of Florida will have cases above 100 per 100,000 and most of the counties around Tampa will be reporting more than 1,000 new cases of COVID-19 per day.

(Note: The forecast numbers have an upper and lower range. The numbers reported here are the average of the range.)

Statewide, the Mayo Clinic forecast tool said Florida will be reporting a seven-day rolling average of 49,398 cases of COVID-19 per day by August 9, a 132% increase from the current numbers. The overall range showed Florida could be reporting just 31,357 cases on the low end or 83,548 on the high end.

[ElNono]

So far it seems same.

Vaccine immunity seems to wane greatly at 6 months so does natural antibody immunity

I think he's talking about vast amounts of dead people and emergency rooms packed up being the difference.

[ElNono]

Trump already created & delivered those, El. But let's face it, Biden never had a "plan." He just wanted in and did every crooked thing he could get his mitts on to accomplish it. Now he owns 230k of dead Americans on his end of the COVID Death Ledger. Serves him right.

Sorry Dale, you don't get to re-write this one. Go get vaccinated though, it's for your own good.

[baseline bum]

Thats what I read. And the Lambda is obliterating Peru. Peru has deadliest covid rate in the world and I believe they lead the 2nd deadliest country by 2x or 3x

Lambda definitely is a deadlier variant

And remember Peru was already obliterated by Alpha variant but that Alpha immunity dindt help for shit

You're not linking anything reputable so the question still seems open here.

[hater]

You're not linking anything reputable so the question still seems open here.

I dont disagree the question is still open. But just look at the graph of Peru mortality 2020 vs 2021

2021 kicks its ass

https://twitter.com/james1974_v/status/1418939090305798151?s=19

[ElNono]

Peru sucks anyways... haven't had a good player since Oblitas... If they were to go under, nothing of value was lost, tbh

[Winehole23]

Gonna get interesting in florida

Fla. forecast to report more than 83,000 new cases of COVID per day by Aug. 9

According to the Mayo Clinic’s COVID-19 forecast tool, almost all of Florida will have cases above 100 per 100,000 and most of the counties around Tampa will be reporting more than 1,000 new cases of COVID-19 per day.

(Note: The forecast numbers have an upper and lower range. The numbers reported here are the average of the range.)

Statewide, the Mayo Clinic forecast tool said Florida will be reporting a seven-day rolling average of 49,398 cases of COVID-19 per day by August 9, a 132% increase from the current numbers. The overall range showed Florida could be reporting just 31,357 cases on the low end or 83,548 on the high end.sorry about your boy DeSantis

[Winehole23]

Disney now requiring masks

[Thread]

Disney now requiring masks

...again.

[hater]

sorry about your boy DeSantis

Itll be interesting to see if he can survive some kind of death spiral in Florida.

[hater]

Disney now requiring masks

Funny I was at Disney Springs yesterday right at time of Emergency Declaration. Only 1/2 staff were wearing masks. They got caught with pants down.

[Adam Lambert]

So far it seems same.

Vaccine immunity seems to wane greatly at 6 months so does natural antibody immunity

Cool, and what happens during that six months to a population gaining herd immunity by infection vs. by vaccine? Try not to think too hard.

[ChumpDumper]

That was meant for Chump :lol

Roadhouse > whataburgerHow could I eat inside when the lobby was closed, genius?

Explain.

[hater]

Cool, and what happens during that six months to a population gaining herd immunity by infection vs. by vaccine? Try not to think too hard.

Thats not herd immunity. Its just temporary immunity that I always said sick and old can definitely use.

It was never herd immunity especially since now we know the vaccinated still communicated.as much or more virus than unvacvinated.

[TSA]

The goal is that vaccinated people or people with antibodies from actually having the virus, kill the infection quicker and more efficiently than people that do not, and hopefully that slows down possible mutations.
Too long to copy paste here...much more at the link. Curious to hear your thoughts on his theory.

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The current expansion in prevalence of infectious Sars-CoV-2 variants is highly problematic because it erodes natural Ab-based, variant-nonspecific immunity in the non-vaccinated part of the population. The high infectivity rate that results from this expansion not only further enhances the expansion of these variants but may also drive natural selection of viral variants that are featured by an even higher level of infectiousness. Erosion, therefore, of natural Ab-based, variant-nonspecific immunity promotes breeding and transmission of more infectious viral variants in the non-vaccinated part of the population. On the other hand, mass vaccination promotes natural selection of increasingly vaccine immunity (VI)-escaping variants in the vaccinated part of the population. Taken together, mass vaccination conducted on a background of high infectivity rates enables more infectious, increasingly VI-escaping variants to expand in prevalence. This evolution inevitably results in inclining morbidity rates in both, the non-vaccinated and vaccinated population and precipitates the emergence of circulating viral variants that will eventually fully resist vaccine-mediated immunity (VMI). This is why mass vaccination campaigns should not be conducted during a pandemic of a highly mutable virus, let alone during a pandemic of more infectious variants (unless transmission-blocking vaccines are used!). It is critical to understand that a rapid decline in viral infectivity rates that is not achieved by natural infection but merely results from expedited mass vaccination campaigns will only delay abrupt propagation of emerging, fully vaccine-resistant viral variants and hence, only delay the occurrence of a high wave of morbidity and mortality. In contrast, mass vaccination campaigns that are progressing more slowly, especially when conducted on a background of relatively low infectious pressure, will result in a steadily growing propagation of increasingly VI-escaping variants and hence, cause a wave of morbidity and mortality that continues to grow bigger and larger as more and more people become vaccinated. It’s only when fully vaccine-resistant viral variants will become dominant that this wave will start to peak.

To prevent more detrimental consequences of the ongoing evolution of Sars-CoV-2, we have no choice but to mitigate erosion of natural, Coronavirus (CoV)-nonspecific immunity in non-vaccinated individuals and exertion of strong immune selection pressure on immunodominant vaccinal epitopes in vaccinated individuals. This is to say that we must stop mass vaccination and lower viral infectivity rates immediately. Continued mass vaccination will only lead to a further increase in morbidity and hospitalization rates, which will subsequently culminate in a huge case fatality wave when expansion of more infectious, vaccine-resistant variants will explode.

A rapid and substantial decrease in viral infectivity rates could be achieved by a short-term course of large-scale antiviral chemoprophylaxis (suitable candidates have already been identified) and adequate infection prevention measures while early treatment of symptomatically infected subjects and implementation of a healthy eating (including certain dietary supplements) and lifestyle (including exercise!) plan would further contribute to building herd immunity. Although this strategy is unlikely to eradicate the virus, it should allow forcing the pandemic into transitioning to a kind of ‘artificial’endemicity. Of course, as asymptomatic reservoirs (asymptomatically infected vaccinated or non-vaccinated humans or even animals) would remain, mass gatherings would still need to be avoided in the future and large-scale chemoprophylaxis campaigns using antiviral drugs would likely need to be repeated at specific time intervals and for as long as no sterilizing immune intervention is available. The action plan proposed above should immediately be implemented: Once the virus will become entirely resistant to the current vaccines, the above-mentioned measures will no longer be able to prevent a dramatic rise in casualties, unless campaigns of antiviral chemoprophylaxis are conducted worldwide and on a permanent basis.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/a-last-word-of-caution-to-all-those-pretending-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-toning-down



:lol veterinarian

Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.

[boutons_deux]

What are the chemo prophylaxis candidates and what are their side effects and what are their cost.?

How to lower viral infectivity rates now?

[Adam Lambert]

Thats not herd immunity. Its just temporary immunity that I always said sick and old can definitely use.

It was never herd immunity especially since now we know the vaccinated still communicated.as much or more virus than unvacvinated.

Outside of semantics, what are the key differences in overall impact to a society when a population gains temporary resistance/immunity to a virus through infection vs. through a vaccine?

[hater]

Outside of semantics, what are the key differences in overall impact to a society when a population gains temporary resistance/immunity to a virus through infection vs. through a vaccine?

Not many besides advantages to old/sick who should be vaxed tbqh

No advantages to young/healthy

[Winehole23]

mini-roundup of counterpoints to Van den Bossche's manifesto.

tl;dr

-- speculative, no evidence offered for his various claims in the manifesto
-- variants of concern, including Delta, emerged before vaccination was widespread
-- "leaky" vaccines can be swiftly reformulated
-- Marek's disease shows that vaccines with a marginal effect on transmission can still significantly reduce the incidence of disease; around 99% in the case of Marek's disease
-- sacrifices public safety to efficacy
-- schoolboy howlers
-- the urgency of Dr Van Den Bossche's unpublished scientific hunch is such that there is no time to do the science, mass vaccination must be suspended immediately; but he has no ready solution, just more speculation (coindentally, about a new type of vaccine he is involved in making, but hasn't shared with other scientists yet.)
-- hasn't published a research paper since 1995




https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche
https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/addressing-geert-vanden-bossches-claims

[Winehole23]

is TSA reading Del Bigtree and RFK Jr., or cribbing from bitchute randos?

[Adam Lambert]

Not many besides advantages to old/sick who should be vaxed tbqh

No advantages to young/healthy

I said "impact to a society" and you keep focusing on the individuals.

I'm young and healthy and I was very impacted by the spread of infection in 2020, even though I never got COVID.

[pgardn]

Too long to copy paste here...much more at the link. Curious to hear your thoughts on his theory.

==============================================

The current expansion in prevalence of infectious Sars-CoV-2 variants is highly problematic because it erodes natural Ab-based, variant-nonspecific immunity in the non-vaccinated part of the population. The high infectivity rate that results from this expansion not only further enhances the expansion of these variants but may also drive natural selection of viral variants that are featured by an even higher level of infectiousness. Erosion, therefore, of natural Ab-based, variant-nonspecific immunity promotes breeding and transmission of more infectious viral variants in the non-vaccinated part of the population. On the other hand, mass vaccination promotes natural selection of increasingly vaccine immunity (VI)-escaping variants in the vaccinated part of the population. Taken together, mass vaccination conducted on a background of high infectivity rates enables more infectious, increasingly VI-escaping variants to expand in prevalence. This evolution inevitably results in inclining morbidity rates in both, the non-vaccinated and vaccinated population and precipitates the emergence of circulating viral variants that will eventually fully resist vaccine-mediated immunity (VMI). This is why mass vaccination campaigns should not be conducted during a pandemic of a highly mutable virus, let alone during a pandemic of more infectious variants (unless transmission-blocking vaccines are used!). It is critical to understand that a rapid decline in viral infectivity rates that is not achieved by natural infection but merely results from expedited mass vaccination campaigns will only delay abrupt propagation of emerging, fully vaccine-resistant viral variants and hence, only delay the occurrence of a high wave of morbidity and mortality. In contrast, mass vaccination campaigns that are progressing more slowly, especially when conducted on a background of relatively low infectious pressure, will result in a steadily growing propagation of increasingly VI-escaping variants and hence, cause a wave of morbidity and mortality that continues to grow bigger and larger as more and more people become vaccinated. It’s only when fully vaccine-resistant viral variants will become dominant that this wave will start to peak.

To prevent more detrimental consequences of the ongoing evolution of Sars-CoV-2, we have no choice but to mitigate erosion of natural, Coronavirus (CoV)-nonspecific immunity in non-vaccinated individuals and exertion of strong immune selection pressure on immunodominant vaccinal epitopes in vaccinated individuals. This is to say that we must stop mass vaccination and lower viral infectivity rates immediately. Continued mass vaccination will only lead to a further increase in morbidity and hospitalization rates, which will subsequently culminate in a huge case fatality wave when expansion of more infectious, vaccine-resistant variants will explode.

A rapid and substantial decrease in viral infectivity rates could be achieved by a short-term course of large-scale antiviral chemoprophylaxis (suitable candidates have already been identified) and adequate infection prevention measures while early treatment of symptomatically infected subjects and implementation of a healthy eating (including certain dietary supplements) and lifestyle (including exercise!) plan would further contribute to building herd immunity. Although this strategy is unlikely to eradicate the virus, it should allow forcing the pandemic into transitioning to a kind of ‘artificial’endemicity. Of course, as asymptomatic reservoirs (asymptomatically infected vaccinated or non-vaccinated humans or even animals) would remain, mass gatherings would still need to be avoided in the future and large-scale chemoprophylaxis campaigns using antiviral drugs would likely need to be repeated at specific time intervals and for as long as no sterilizing immune intervention is available. The action plan proposed above should immediately be implemented: Once the virus will become entirely resistant to the current vaccines, the above-mentioned measures will no longer be able to prevent a dramatic rise in casualties, unless campaigns of antiviral chemoprophylaxis are conducted worldwide and on a permanent basis.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/a-last-word-of-caution-to-all-those-pretending-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-toning-down




Geert Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s Global Health Discovery team in Seattle (USA) as Senior Program Officer; he then worked with the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) in Geneva as Senior Ebola Program Manager. At GAVI he tracked efforts to develop an Ebola vaccine. He also represented GAVI in fora with other partners, including WHO, to review progress on the fight against Ebola and to build plans for global pandemic preparedness. Back in 2015, Geert scrutinized and questioned the safety of the Ebola vaccine that was used in ring vaccination trials conducted by WHO in Guinea. His critical scientific analysis and report on the data published by WHO in the Lancet in 2015 was sent to all international health and regulatory authorities involved in the Ebola vaccination program. After working for GAVI, Geert joined the German Center for Infection Research in Cologne as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. He is at present primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on Natural Killer cell-based vaccines.

The above has absolutely gigantic holes in the reasoning.


First bolded. Yes you might expect this to a happen. But you might also expect the infection is MUCH less serious. People pass viruses around ALL the time that are basically asymptomatic and we dont worry a bit about them. They are evolutionary very light piggy back riders. WE PASS viral dna along to each our kids, viral dna sequences piggy back our dna in sex cells and its just not a problem. We have many viral DNA sequences with in our own DNA that is in EVERY cell in our body that has DNA.
Its getting to the point we now people are ONLY worried about transmission and not about SYMPTOMs. Its understandable because the symptoms of this variant are bad, but not necessarily BECAUSE its easily transmitted.

2nd bolded.
Complete misunderstanding of probability and mutations. The more people infected, the more chance for mutations and variants arise. If we vaccinate a large portion of the population, the chances for variation GOES down. This IS part of the reason the goal is max vaccination like with polio and small pox. We also do this with children with Diptheria, Pertusis, Tetanus... and its WORKED. Its mandatory to get into school.

3rd bolded: Relies on the first two, false.

I dont even have time to go through the rest now. If this article was peer reviewed it would be a great punching bag. This guy is a virologist who is taking great liberties with evolution and natural selection which works on random variation within a population which is why it very unpredictable. But the trend with other organisms that do this is clearly towards a MUTUALISTIC or COMMENSALISTIC relationships. NOT parasitic, thats how these relationships might start, but this does not end well from an evolutionary point of view.

[pgardn]

There is thinking about what happens in individual people, and there is thinking on the level of populations and evolution of variants. BOTH are very important.

Sorry Darrin.

[hater]

I said "impact to a society" and you keep focusing on the individuals.

I'm young and healthy and I was very impacted by the spread of infection in 2020, even though I never got COVID.

We all were.

Having vaccinated the old/sick and having told the truth to ppl that this vaccine might only last a few month and you can still kill grandma with it would have had a better outcome to society IMO

[ducks]

NYT's Bret Stephens hits Fauci in scathing op-ed: 'Covid misinformation comes from the top, too'

[hater]

I can see why they lied. They most likely said "well if we tell the truth that were not sure this vax prevents infection, spread and how long it lasts. Noone will take it"

Thats a stupid way of thinking.

I would have told the truth and mainly stressed.on the fact that the sick and old will.benefit immensely from it. And of course make it optional.

Begging ppl to take this with lottery and cash or beer.is just fucking weird :lol

And now planning to make it mandatory yet still requiring mask is fucking bananas

[pgardn]

We all were.

Having vaccinated the old/sick and having told the truth to ppl that this vaccine might only last a few month and you can still kill grandma with it would have had a better outcome to society IMO

The truth is the vaccination lasts much longer than one month. The vaccine has proven to be incredibly effective.
The people have proven to be stupid.
Case in point, hater.

[Winehole23]

the number of pediatric positives seems to be notably higher in New South Wales in the current wave.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7ZVuCrUUAQ2EDB?format=jpg&name=large

[hater]

The truth is the vaccination lasts much longer than one month. The vaccine has proven to be incredibly effective.
The people have proven to be stupid.
Case in point, hater.

Its ok to disagree, UrineTract

You and whinehole seem to pout and call names at ppl you disagree with.

Thats a sure telltale sign of a little bitch

[pgardn]

NYT's Bret Stephens hits Fauci in scathing op-ed: 'Covid misinformation comes from the top, too'

Misinformation is now a scientist getting NEW more time relevant data and CHANGING protocol.
Which is EXACTLY how science works.
Its ignorant PEOPLE WHO dont get science, or know how to properly get a population who dont understand science on board.

I give you hater and cucks.

[pgardn]

Its ok to disagree, UrineTract

You and whinehole seem to pout and call names at ppl you disagree with.

Thats a sure telltale sign of a little bitch

Yes lets do disagree. Lets use alternative facts.

Your screen name is heater. Yeah we once thought it was hater but we were wrong, its an alternative fact.
And my screen name is pea garden. Urine garden... ok. You are a funny guy.

[DarrinS]

There is thinking about what happens in individual people, and there is thinking on the level of populations and evolution of variants. BOTH are very important.

Sorry Darrin.


Spreading like wildfire in highly-vaxxed Bexar county.

How's that non-sterilizing immunity working out?

[DarrinS]

In Los Angeles, the vaxxed are 25% of new cases.

[pgardn]

Spreading like wildfire in highly-vaxxed Bexar county.

How's that non-sterilizing immunity working out?

Oh Darrin.
The non sterilizing immunity has a botched definition. There really is no such thing. If you look at the cycle of viral infection can you point out to me which step sterilizing immunity occurs in. Neither can anyone else.

Bexar county IS NOT highly vaxxed.
VERMONT is highly vaxxed.
84% of everyone 12 and up.

[hater]

Yes lets do disagree. Lets use alternative facts.

Your screen name is heater. Yeah we once thought it was hater but we were wrong, its an alternative fact.


Disagreed :tu

[pgardn]

In Los Angeles, the vaxxed are 25% of new cases.

Again.
If you were vaccinated and WANTED to get infected what would you do.
No mask, go into crowded places with antivax spreaders with 1000X the viral load as the old strain.
Breathe deeply as people come and go. The vaccine has worked enormously well so far. That is the truth right now.
I already have a friend that is a breakthrough in SA. She went to a bachelorette party involving staying in the same room and riding around in the same limo with two girls who felt very sick. She tested positive and has gotten over what she describes as a slight head cold that she went in to get tested for after finding out about the two girls.
The vaccine WORKED. But the inconvenience of having to miss work. Thank you antivaccers.

[pgardn]

Disagreed :tu

No you agree in fact.
Alternative fact. The alternate for disagree is agree.
Welcome to the leftovers of Trump world.

[pgardn]

Misinformation is now a scientist getting NEW more time relevant data and CHANGING protocol.
Which is EXACTLY how science works.
Its ignorant PEOPLE WHO dont get science, or know how to properly get a population who dont understand science on board.

I give you hater and cucks.

Keep up the science bashing.

[TSA]

2nd bolded.
Complete misunderstanding of probability and mutations. The more people infected, the more chance for mutations and variants arise. If we vaccinate a large portion of the population, the chances for variation GOES down. This IS part of the reason the goal is max vaccination like with polio and small pox. We also do this with children with Diptheria, Pertusis, Tetanus... and its WORKED. Its mandatory to get into school.

He's got a firm grasp on mutations :lol

"During the first ten months of the pandemic, high waves of infectious cases that occurred in overcrowded areas (e.g., slums, favelas, highly populated cities,..) affected by the pandemic may have caused immune pressure on viral infectiousness, especially upon re-exposure of previously asymptomatically infected individuals. It is possible that such events have been driving natural selection and enhanced circulation of more infectious, S-directed immune escape variants. The higher and more widespread the viral infectious pressure, the higher the likelihood that previously asymptomatically infected subjects become re-exposed to the virus at a point in time where their titers of low affinity, S-directed Abs are still high enough to compete with their natural, polyreactive Abs for binding to the circulating Sars-CoV-2 lineage (see Fig. 1; in previous contributions, I have explicitly explained why S-specific Abs have higher affinity for S protein than natural IgMs, which bind to virus surface-expressed motifs through multivalent interactions). Consequently, enhanced infectivity rates could lead to a transient increase of the susceptibility of younger age groups (< 60-65 years) to Covid-19 disease and may, therefore, raise morbidity and hospitalization rates in these age groups (as is currently observed in many European countries as well as in the US). So, the higher and more widespread the viral infectious pressure, the more productive the breeding ground for more infectious variants and the higher the likelihood for natural selection of certain S-directed immune escape variants (i.e., such that evolved mutations capable of resisting suboptimal immune pressure on viral infectiousness). Immune escape variants that are selected because of their capacity to overcome such immune pressure exhibit a higher level of infectiousness. This is how high infectivity rates facilitate breeding of increasingly infectious viral variants. During the first year of the pandemic, several of such ‘more infectious’ immune escape variants have emerged (e.g., alpha (2), beta, gamma, delta).

Depending on the remaining protective effect provided by natural Abs, younger and healthy age groups, and children in particular, may not even show any symptoms at all, even though dominant circulation of more infectious variants (e.g., delta variant) is now substantially increasing the risk of repeated exposure. This already explains why Covid-19 disease in the non-vaccinated is primarily observed in young, middle-aged adults. Since younger age groups are generally better protected by natural, poly-reactive Abs, cases of severe disease in these groups are rather rare. The severity of the disease in these subjects is thought to depend on the time point of re-exposure after their previous infection (i.e., the shorter thereafter, the higher the concentration of blocking S-specific Abs, the higher the likelihood for contracting more severe disease).

Because both, binding of natural CoV-nonspecific Abs to Sars-CoV-2 and binding of Sars-CoV-2 to the Ace-2 entry receptor is mediated by multivalent interactions, it is reasonable to assume that the blocking effect of natural, CoV-nonspecific Abs on the interaction between the Ace-2 receptor and a given Sars-CoV-2 lineage primarily depends on the functional concentration of these natural Abs. This would already explain why, under normal circumstances (i.e., if not suppressed by S-specific Abs), young and/ or healthy individuals can effectively deal with all Sars-CoV-2 viral variants. The higher the affinity of S for Ace-2 (i.e., the higher the level of intrinsic viral infectiousness) and the older the age group, the lower the residual (i.e., non-suppressed) functional capacity of natural Abs.

In contrast, vaccinal Abs are directed at a limited set of S-derived Sars-CoV-2 motifs (i.e., epitopes primarily comprised within the receptor-binding domain [RBD] of the S protein). Hence, very few mutations within this limited set of epitopes will already substantially diminish the affinity of vaccinal Abs for binding to Sars-CoV-2. This, however, does not apply to S-specific Abs acquired upon recovery from natural Covid-19 disease as those are directed at a much broader and diversified spectrum of B cell epitopes. This would already explain why more infectious Sars-CoV-2 variants more readily escape from vaccinal S-specific Abs than from naturally acquired S-specific Abs and also why we are now seeing more and more breakthrough disease cases with the more infectious delta variant in vaccinees whereas young and/ or healthy individuals or previously symptomatically infected people (provided seronegative for S protein (3)) remain largely protected from Covid-19 disease.

Molecular epidemiologists conclude that, because of the steadily increasing S-directed immune pressure exerted by the human population, circulating variants are now increasingly evolving mutations that drive resistance to S-specific Abs, especially to those recognizing immunodominant epitopes that are situated within the RBD and N-terminal domain (NTD) of the S protein. It is highly unlikely that naturally acquired S-specific Abs are responsible for this immune pressure as people who recover from Covid-19 disease only constitute a relatively small subset of the population and mount Abs against a much broader and more diversified panel of S-derived epitopes. Given the nature of the vaccinal Abs and the large vaccine coverage rates in most countries, there can be no doubt that the steadily increasing population-level immune pressure found to be exerted on RBD, for example, is caused by vaccination of large masses of people (in a previous contribution, I have expressed my astonishment about the fact that these brilliant scientists didn’t even mention ’mass vaccination’ at all as a potential cause of the massive increase in S-directed immune pressure; (see my recent contribution: 'Why the ongoing mass vaccination experiment drives a rapid evolutionary response of SARS-CoV-2'). This evolution is, of course, extremely worrisome. Whereas progressing convergent evolution towards increased resistance against functional, S-specific Abs elicited by the vaccine may not necessarily further increase the affinity of the virus for the Ace-2 receptor (and hence, not commonly cause more disease in young and healthy individuals), it is reasonable to assume that such evolution will rapidly raise the number and severity of disease cases in the vaccinated part of the population. This is because growing VI escape will cause vaccinees to lose their vaccine-mediated immune protection while having their natural, CoV-nonspecific natural Abs suppressed by high titers of long-lived, S-specific vaccinal Abs (4). It is reasonable to assume that, as a general rule, the level of suppression of natural, CoV-nonspecific Abs will increase with increasing strength (adjuvantation!), frequency and coverage rate of booster immunizations (including 2nd generation vaccines!).

Vaccinal S-specific Abs cannot outcompete S-specific Abs from previously symptomatically infected individuals for binding to viral variants due to multivalent B-cell epitope recognition by the naturally primed immune system. On the other hand, immunity acquired upon recovery from natural Covid-19 disease is very robust and has repeatedly been reported to be capable of dealing very effectively with a diversified range of antigenic variants upon re-exposure (including variants of concerns; VoCs). Non-antigen (Ag)-specific innate immune adjuvantation enables epitope spreading and is, therefore, likely to contribute to broad immune recognition. Naturally acquired immunity is, therefore, an almost ‘invariant’ component to herd immunity. It is, however, uncertain whether binding of S-specific Abs from previously symptomatically infected individuals to circulating VI-escaping viral variants could render these individuals more susceptible to Ab-dependent enhancement of disease (ADE)."



And you completely missed his point on the variants.

"The interactions described above allow to understand how mass vaccination on a background of enhanced viral infectiousness (pandemic!) engages both, the vaccinated and unvaccinated population to expedite natural selection and adaptation of immune escape variants harboring additional, RBD-associated mutations which increasingly inhibit VMI. This is to say that mass vaccination campaigns conducted during a pandemic of more infectious variants will precipitate resistance of more infectious Sars-Cov-2 variants to S-based Covid-19 vaccines.

The more ‘more infectious’ variants expand and dominate and the more these variants are subject to vaccine-mediated immune selection pressure, the more rapidly the beneficial effect from mass vaccination (i.e., reduction of viral transmission and prevention of disease) will be replaced by a growing failure of the vaccines to protect the vaccinees and of the vaccinees to protect the unvaccinated. This evolution is currently expedited by relaxation of infection-prevention measures, including more frequent contacts among healthy individuals. More frequent contacts between asymptomatically infected vaccinated and non-vaccinated subjects (5) will only promote breeding of new variants that are both, more infectious and more readily escape from vaccine immunity (e.g., lambda variant)."

[DarrinS]

Oh Darrin.
The non sterilizing immunity has a botched definition. There really is no such thing. If you look at the cycle of viral infection can you point out to me which step sterilizing immunity occurs in. Neither can anyone else.

Bexar county IS NOT highly vaxxed.
VERMONT is highly vaxxed.
84% of everyone 12 and up.


68.7% of 18+ are fully vaccinated in Bexar county.

[Adam Lambert]

Having vaccinated the old/sick and having told the truth to ppl that this vaccine might only last a few month and you can still kill grandma with it would have had a better outcome to society IMO

So you're making the argument that more people SHOULD be vaccinated and people SHOULD get boosters. That's a far cry from your earlier suggestion that vaccinations don't matter.

You supposed pro-vaxxers sure have a strange way of advocating for vaccinations.

[hater]

So you're making the argument that more people SHOULD be vaccinated and people SHOULD get boosters. That's a far cry from suggesting that vaccinations don't matter.

You supposed pro-vaxxers sure have a strange way of advocating for vaccinations.

The old and sick should get shots just like flu shots. But should be optional like flu shots. If they wanna die up to them.

Basically the startegy.should be.EXACTLY like flu shots. (For adults)

[pgardn]

68.7% of 18+ are fully vaccinated in Bexar county.

You CAN be infected with the delta variant and be vaccinated and have few if any symptoms.
Your cases were cases in the hospital? The goal is to keep people out of the hospital and from getting really ill. This still may be difficult if you get a large dose of virus at once with ANY vaccine.

[Adam Lambert]

The old and sick should get shots just like flu shots. But should be optional like flu shots. If they wanna die up to them.

Basically the startegy.should be.EXACTLY like flu shots. (For adults)

I don't think the government should compel vaccines either, at least not yet. But I'm okay with businesses doing it, and I'm definitely okay with shaming the absolute shit out of the unvaccinated and everyone who enables them.

This isn't the flu yet.

[hater]

I don't think the government should compel vaccines either, at least not yet. But I'm okay with businesses doing it, and I'm definitely okay with shaming the absolute shit out of the unvaccinated.

This isn't the flu yet.

Im ok with all this. But it seems forced vax passport is imminent. Which is crazy given recent findings.

[pgardn]

The old and sick should get shots just like flu shots. But should be optional like flu shots. If they wanna die up to them.

Basically the startegy.should be.EXACTLY like flu shots. (For adults)

Should the vaccine for Diphtheria, Pertussis, and tetanus be mandatory for school children?
Should any vaccine be mandatory for ANY population of people who can get vaccinated?

[hater]

Should the vaccine for Diphtheria, Pertussis, and tetanus be mandatory for school children?
Should any vaccine be mandatory for ANY population of people who can get vaccinated?

Are those emergency approved vaxes?

[pgardn]

Are those emergency approved vaxes?

NO.
They are not emergencies because people are vaccinated.

[TSA]

Should the vaccine for Diphtheria, Pertussis, and tetanus be mandatory for school children?
Should any vaccine be mandatory for ANY population of people who can get vaccinated?

Why are you trying to compare DTAP which has been around for decades to an experimental vaccine?

[pgardn]

Quit trying to pretend the vaccine is unsafe and you took the needle up the ass.
We know better, we have more numbers than for any of those others now.

[ChumpDumper]

In Los Angeles, the vaxxed are 25% of new cases.In Bexar County, the vaxxed are <5% of hospitalizations.

[pgardn]

Why are you trying to compare DTAP which has been around for decades to an experimental vaccine?

Because you calling it experimental NOW is trying to pretend like it is harmful and does not work which is patently FALSE.

[hater]

NO.
They are not emergencies because people are vaccinated.

:lmao wtf

[pgardn]

:lmao wtf

Yes think this.
We have the data numbskull. If the data undergoes a giant change, we change protocol and methods.
Quit trying to pretend the vaccine is dangerous and does not work.

Some kids have very bad reactions to the aforementioned vaccine as well.
Just very few.

[TSA]

Because you calling it experimental NOW is trying to pretend like it is harmful and does not work which is patently FALSE.

It is 100% experimental now, that is not even up for debate. I never said it didn't work. We already know it is harmful to certain populations now the question is how harmful and what harms show up years down the road.

Discussing mandatory vaccines and trying to compare DTAP to the Covid vaccine is absolutely retarded.

[pgardn]

Because you calling it experimental NOW is trying to pretend like it is harmful and does not work which is patently FALSE.

You wont admit this heater.
You will find some case, somewhere with a person has a bad reaction. No shit.
Our immune systems ARE NOT all the same. There is genetic variation among people and there are people getting bad tainted vaccinations when the numbers of vaccinations is enormous.
Total misunderstanding of probability and numbers so you go find that case in the guise that it is widespread.

[pgardn]

It is 100% experimental now, that is not even up for debate. I never said it didn't work. We already know it is harmful to certain populations now the question is how harmful and what harms show up years down the road.

Discussing mandatory vaccines and trying to compare DTAP to the Covid vaccine is absolutely retarded.

No it is not because it has been tested at a much higher rate than any of those other vaccines now.
YOU are hung up on the word experimental because of the speed at which it was made, thats your problem.
Well the vaccine is OUT dumbshit and we can follow it with MUCH, MUCH larger numbers of test subjects than the others.
What is your problem? Its not the time it takes for testing if the vaccine has already been tested... what do you not get here?

YOu should have had a louder voice during the phase which it was tested on paid volunteers. And it was rushed THEN because it was a huge problem. It has worked. What do you NOT get?

[pgardn]

In Bexar County, the vaxxed are <5% of hospitalizations.

Yeah.
Pulling the basic Darrin again.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah.
Pulling the basic Darrin again.Darrin and Snakeboi want everyone to be infected now since their unsanitary asses got the rona immediately after it hit Bexar County.

And they want everyone to get as huge a load of virus as possible because like every Trumptard now they just want to watch the world burn.

[pgardn]

Darrin and Snakeboi want everyone to be infected now since their unsanitary asses got the rona immediately after it hit Bexar County.

And they want everyone to get as huge a load of virus as possible because like every Trumptard now they just want to watch the world burn.

Put hater in that group under both administrations.

[ChumpDumper]

Put hater in that group under both administrations.hater puts himself in every available group simultaneously.

[hater]

sorry about your boy DeSantis

:wow

https://twitter.com/EvanDonovan/status/1420769146246152192?s=19

[Winehole23]

parity with the July 2020 peak caseload approaching, with a steeper curve this time

NB: CDC is not reporting breakthrough infections short of hospitalization and death.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/covid-cases-regions-19.png

https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states&highlight=US-Northeast&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=US-Midwest%2CUS-South%2CUS-West%2CUnited%20States#states

[Winehole23]

test positivity approaching 10% nationally, has already exceeded 20% in the US South

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/covid-positivity-regions-15.png

https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states&highlight=US-Northeast&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=testPositivity-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=US-Midwest%2CUS-South%2CUS-West%2CUnited%20States#states

[Winehole23]

:wow

https://twitter.com/EvanDonovan/status/1420769146246152192?s=19Florida eating shit right now. It's gonna get worse before it gets better.

[baseline bum]

Florida eating shit right now. It's gonna get worse before it gets better.

They can just lie about their numbers again.

[hater]

Florida eating shit right now. It's gonna get worse before it gets better.

Restaurants, parks and everywhere still packed right now :lol

Gonna get interesting. Im.leaving back home in 3 weeks so will be able to see what happens next few days

[TSA]

No it is not because it has been tested at a much higher rate than any of those other vaccines now.
YOU are hung up on the word experimental because of the speed at which it was made, thats your problem.
Well the vaccine is OUT dumbshit and we can follow it with MUCH, MUCH larger numbers of test subjects than the others.
What is your problem? Its not the time it takes for testing if the vaccine has already been tested... what do you not get here?

YOu should have had a louder voice during the phase which it was tested on paid volunteers. And it was rushed THEN because it was a huge problem. It has worked. What do you NOT get?

It is 100% experimental at this point. The test subjects we are following with MUCH, MUCH larger numbers are part of the real world data the FDA is looking at during the experimental phase while waiting to grant full approval. None of the harmful side effects caused by the J&J and Pfizer vaccines showed up in the clinical trials submitted for EAU. An EAU has never been granted for a new vaccine. Arguing this isn't anything but 100% experimental at this point is just dumb.

[TSA]

NB: CDC is not reporting breakthrough infections short of hospitalization and death.


That's odd. Would be good stat to have.

[Winehole23]

First, the number of reported COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases is likely a substantial undercount of all SARS-CoV-2 infections among fully vaccinated persons. The national surveillance system relies on passive and voluntary reporting, and data might not be complete or representative. Many persons with vaccine breakthrough infections, especially those who are asymptomatic or who experience mild illness, might not seek testing. Second, SARS-CoV-2 sequence data are available for only a small proportion of the reported cases.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htm

[Winehole23]

That's odd. Would be good stat to have.A lot of people on both sides seem to regard existing vaccines as a magic bullet. They're very effective, but they don't dispel COVID 100%.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htmIOW, the numbers they get will be mostly garbage for statistical purposes.

[hater]

It is 100% experimental at this point. The test subjects we are following with MUCH, MUCH larger numbers are part of the real world data the FDA is looking at during the experimental phase while waiting to grant full approval. None of the harmful side effects caused by the J&J and Pfizer vaccines showed up in the clinical trials submitted for EAU. An EAU has never been granted for a new vaccine. Arguing this isn't anything but 100% experimental at this point is just dumb.

Youd think these idiots would read the consent form they signed when they got shot up :lol

I did. And was ok w it since had.to travel internationally and had job requirements coming up

[Winehole23]

children to be sacrificed en masse at the altar of "muh freedom" and "natural immunity"

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[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/JayBrumit/status/1418460259597836289

[boutons_deux]

STATnews email:

Efficacy of Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine slips to 84% after six months, data show

New data show that the efficacy of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine

dropped from 96% to to 84% over six months.

The decline could fuel Pfizer's case that a third booster shot may be needed eventually.

The data — which were released in a preprint and not peer-reviewed — suggest that

the vaccine was 91% effective overall at preventing Covid-19 over six months.

Efficacy seemed to fall by an average of 6% every two months after doses were administered,
the 44,000-person study found,

with a peak of 96% efficacy within two months of vaccination.

At the same time, the overall efficacy of the vaccine against severe disease, including those with low blood oxygen levels, was 97%.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/28/efficacy-of-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine-slips-to-84-after-six-months-data-show

[TSA]

STATnews email:

Efficacy of Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine slips to 84% after six months, data show

New data show that the efficacy of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine

dropped from 96% to to 84% over six months.

The decline could fuel Pfizer's case that a third booster shot may be needed eventually.

The data — which were released in a preprint and not peer-reviewed — suggest that

the vaccine was 91% effective overall at preventing Covid-19 over six months.

Efficacy seemed to fall by an average of 6% every two months after doses were administered,
the 44,000-person study found,

with a peak of 96% efficacy within two months of vaccination.

At the same time, the overall efficacy of the vaccine against severe disease, including those with low blood oxygen levels, was 97%.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/28/efficacy-of-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine-slips-to-84-after-six-months-data-show

Pfizer raises estimate of COVID-19 vaccine sales by 29%

https://www.axios.com/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-sales-second-quarter-2021-7bd7ae91-0b1b-4432-be40-9c91c3dad0dc.html

[hater]

EU and US and Israel already have bought hundreds.of millions of pfizer doses for booster shots.

"We paid for it so you must inject it"


Fuck you. Im one and done

[boutons_deux]

Pfizer raises estimate of COVID-19 vaccine sales by 29%

https://www.axios.com/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-sales-second-quarter-2021-7bd7ae91-0b1b-4432-be40-9c91c3dad0dc.html

Capitalists gonna screw the planet hard and deep

Under one pandemic supply deal, Pfizer is charging the U.S. $19.50 per dose, D'Amelio said, which is “not

a normal price like we typically get for a vaccine—$150, $175 per dose.”

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/pfizer-eyes-higher-covid-19-vaccine-prices-after-pandemic-exec-analyst

cost to mfr, freight on board?

[hater]

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1420807801278959621?s=19

https://twitter.com/hugotalks1/status/1418317394875912192?s=19

[TSA]

children to be sacrificed en masse at the altar of "muh freedom" and "natural immunity"

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"sacrificed em masse"

Mortality (43 states, NYC, PR and GU reported)*

Children were 0.00%-0.26% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 8 states reported zero child deaths
​In states reporting, 0.00%-0.03% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in death

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/

https://time.com/5929751/childhood-mortality-2020-covid-19/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#SexAndAge

[SnakeBoy]

children to be sacrificed en masse at the altar of "muh freedom" and "natural immunity"

1420752375229206542

Sleepy Joe won't let them get the vaccine

[hater]

https://twitter.com/khryzanto/status/1420813060692865024?s=19

:lmao DC. What a fucking shithole its become

[hater]

Oh an :lol "vaccines"

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/khryzanto/status/1420813060692865024?s=19

:lmao DC. What a fucking shithole its becomeBut you think people should wear masks.

[hater]

But you think people should wear masks.

By choice, Einstein. By choice.

[SnakeBoy]

Pfizer raises estimate of COVID-19 vaccine sales by 29%

https://www.axios.com/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-sales-second-quarter-2021-7bd7ae91-0b1b-4432-be40-9c91c3dad0dc.html

:lol The CEO is making the rounds spewing bs to pressure the admin to push a fall booster. It's probably going to work tbh. Failing Joe Biden is flailing about at this point

[ChumpDumper]

By choice, Einstein. By choice.Because masks aren't FDA approved?

[hater]

Because masks aren't FDA approved?

Are umbrellas FDA approved, Nancy?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I dont think his wave will be like previous.

UK and India data support the idea it'll burn thru the populace in 2-3w
Hospitalizations are younger and unvax, left or right, tons of olds and fragiles are vaccinated. Should not be the death fest on the whole we saw previously.

[ducks]

Capitol physician called out for not wearing mask while briefing House members on new mask mandate
Republicans said Dr. Brian Monahan took off his mask while briefing them

[ChumpDumper]

Are umbrellas FDA approved, Nancy?
Umbrellas don't slow the spread of disease.

Your alleged reason for not wanting vaccine mandates was FDA approval.

Masks don't need FDA approval.

What is your objection to mask mandates?

[Blake]

By choice, Einstein. By choice.

Do you understand how masks work?

[hater]

Umbrellas don't slow the spread of disease.

Your alleged reason for not wanting vaccine mandates was FDA approval.

Masks don't need FDA approval.

What is your objection to mask mandates?

Why do we need to force ppl to wear masks. We already told them they help. Up to them to use or not.

If u see a person not wearing a mask just stay d fuck away. If u see a worker not wearing a mask go to another business

These mandates are obviously passed ona whim its fucking stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

Why do we need to force ppl yo wear masks. We already told them they help. Up to them yonuse.

If u see a person not wearing a mask just stay d fuck away. If u see a worker not wearing a mask go to another business

These mandates are obviously passed ona whim its fucking stupidSo you have no have no real objection.

Just trying to be edgy.

[hater]

So you have no have no real objection.

Just trying to be edgy.

Yes I have an objection with forcing ppl on a whim.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes I have an objection with forcing ppl on a whim.Not a whim.

It's something you actually want people to do yourself.

Now what is your objection?

Or is it just your whim now?

[hater]

Do you understand how masks work?

Do you know how umbrellas work?

[hater]

Not a whim.

It's something you actually want people to do yourself.

Now what is your objection?

Or is it just your whim now?

I advise it. Does not mean I want government to arrest you or cops to harrass you if you dont.

[koriwhat]

Do you know how umbrellas work?

Lol Not even Dr. Fraudci knows how masks work but here comes the cuckold chiming in about shit he has no clue about either. Always the same with that condescending knowitall hack. I bet he knows all about a loving marriage too yet here he is giving all you dudes attention on ST while his ex wife gets dicked down by some real men.

[ChumpDumper]

I advise it. Does not mean I want government to arrest you or cops to harrass you if you dont.But you're for all that with a vaccine mandate upon FDA approval.:tu

s:lol c:lolnsistent

[DarrinS]

I dont think his wave will be like previous.

UK and India data support the idea it'll burn thru the populace in 2-3w
Hospitalizations are younger and unvax, left or right, tons of olds and fragiles are vaccinated. Should not be the death fest on the whole we saw previously.


This

[hater]

But you're for all that with a vaccine mandate upon FDA approval.:tu

s:lol c:lolnsistent

Sorry this is happening to you

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry this is happening to youhater f:lollds

[Blake]

Why do we need to force ppl to wear masks. We already told them they help. Up to them to use or not.

If u see a person not wearing a mask just stay d fuck away. If u see a worker not wearing a mask go to another business

These mandates are obviously passed ona whim its fucking stupid.

What if you're a worker and you see a customer not wearing a mask?

[Blake]

Do you know how umbrellas work?

Yes. Now what?

[Blake]

Lol Not even Dr. Fraudci knows how masks work but here comes the cuckold chiming in about shit he has no clue about either. Always the same with that condescending knowitall hack. I bet he knows all about a loving marriage too yet here he is giving all you dudes attention on ST while his ex wife gets dicked down by some real men.

Lol tats.

[hater]

What if you're a worker and you see a customer not wearing a mask?

You are vaxed and wearing a kn95. youre good to go. :tu

[ElNono]

Itll be interesting to see if he can survive some kind of death spiral in Florida.

He will, the problem are the dead floridians...

[pgardn]

Yes I have an objection with forcing ppl on a whim.

You are just full of shit.
Choke on it.

This is such a Trumpian distortion.
Im so sorry he is gone.

[hater]

He will, the problem are the dead floridians...

Why??

They had plenty time to vaccinate. Even Desantis advised them to. Play stupid games...

[pgardn]

Restaurants, parks and everywhere still packed right now :lol

Gonna get interesting. Im.leaving back home in 3 weeks so will be able to see what happens next few days

Go tell your Governor to be President in Florida you will fight FOR the current Cuban government's right to stay in power.
And then tell him its a free country and that HE can do anything he wants to you because... he's like Assad to you.

Should be interesting.

[hater]

You are just full of shit.
Choke on it.

This is such a Trumpian distortion.
Im so sorry he is gone.

UrineTractInfection with another meltdown

[pgardn]

UrineTractInfection with another meltdown

I like you on this site.
When bored, there is always someone to lie and distort so blatantly...
Im sorry. You are an easy target for the bored and about to fall asleep.

Night, night heater. Keep it burning.

[ElNono]

Too long to copy paste here...much more at the link. Curious to hear your thoughts on his theory.

==============================================

The current expansion in prevalence of infectious Sars-CoV-2 variants is highly problematic because it erodes natural Ab-based, variant-nonspecific immunity in the non-vaccinated part of the population. The high infectivity rate that results from this expansion not only further enhances the expansion of these variants but may also drive natural selection of viral variants that are featured by an even higher level of infectiousness. Erosion, therefore, of natural Ab-based, variant-nonspecific immunity promotes breeding and transmission of more infectious viral variants in the non-vaccinated part of the population. On the other hand, mass vaccination promotes natural selection of increasingly vaccine immunity (VI)-escaping variants in the vaccinated part of the population. Taken together, mass vaccination conducted on a background of high infectivity rates enables more infectious, increasingly VI-escaping variants to expand in prevalence. This evolution inevitably results in inclining morbidity rates in both, the non-vaccinated and vaccinated population and precipitates the emergence of circulating viral variants that will eventually fully resist vaccine-mediated immunity (VMI). This is why mass vaccination campaigns should not be conducted during a pandemic of a highly mutable virus, let alone during a pandemic of more infectious variants (unless transmission-blocking vaccines are used!). It is critical to understand that a rapid decline in viral infectivity rates that is not achieved by natural infection but merely results from expedited mass vaccination campaigns will only delay abrupt propagation of emerging, fully vaccine-resistant viral variants and hence, only delay the occurrence of a high wave of morbidity and mortality. In contrast, mass vaccination campaigns that are progressing more slowly, especially when conducted on a background of relatively low infectious pressure, will result in a steadily growing propagation of increasingly VI-escaping variants and hence, cause a wave of morbidity and mortality that continues to grow bigger and larger as more and more people become vaccinated. It’s only when fully vaccine-resistant viral variants will become dominant that this wave will start to peak.

To prevent more detrimental consequences of the ongoing evolution of Sars-CoV-2, we have no choice but to mitigate erosion of natural, Coronavirus (CoV)-nonspecific immunity in non-vaccinated individuals and exertion of strong immune selection pressure on immunodominant vaccinal epitopes in vaccinated individuals. This is to say that we must stop mass vaccination and lower viral infectivity rates immediately. Continued mass vaccination will only lead to a further increase in morbidity and hospitalization rates, which will subsequently culminate in a huge case fatality wave when expansion of more infectious, vaccine-resistant variants will explode.

A rapid and substantial decrease in viral infectivity rates could be achieved by a short-term course of large-scale antiviral chemoprophylaxis (suitable candidates have already been identified) and adequate infection prevention measures while early treatment of symptomatically infected subjects and implementation of a healthy eating (including certain dietary supplements) and lifestyle (including exercise!) plan would further contribute to building herd immunity. Although this strategy is unlikely to eradicate the virus, it should allow forcing the pandemic into transitioning to a kind of ‘artificial’endemicity. Of course, as asymptomatic reservoirs (asymptomatically infected vaccinated or non-vaccinated humans or even animals) would remain, mass gatherings would still need to be avoided in the future and large-scale chemoprophylaxis campaigns using antiviral drugs would likely need to be repeated at specific time intervals and for as long as no sterilizing immune intervention is available. The action plan proposed above should immediately be implemented: Once the virus will become entirely resistant to the current vaccines, the above-mentioned measures will no longer be able to prevent a dramatic rise in casualties, unless campaigns of antiviral chemoprophylaxis are conducted worldwide and on a permanent basis.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/a-last-word-of-caution-to-all-those-pretending-the-covid-19-pandemic-is-toning-down


Not the first time I read about warnings on immune escape (one paper here: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(21)00036-0/fulltext), specifically about COVID. He's a bit more alarmed, but nonetheless raises a valid point.

Time will tell, but at least current evidence with similar coronaviruses like the flu diminish the argument. Furthermore, despite his claims that antiviral chemoprophylaxis works, they're really not very effective, as we've seen with Alpha before the vaccines and we're seeing with the Delta and Lambda variants where the dead continue to pile up.

I don't think the argument is without merit or wrong. I just don't think we have a better treatment right now. And if we did, then we wouldn't need vaccines anymore. So, if anything, vaccines continue to buy us time to find that type of treatment.

[ElNono]

mini-roundup of counterpoints to Van den Bossche's manifesto.

tl;dr

-- speculative, no evidence offered for his various claims in the manifesto
-- variants of concern, including Delta, emerged before vaccination was widespread
-- "leaky" vaccines can be swiftly reformulated
-- Marek's disease shows that vaccines with a marginal effect on transmission can still significantly reduce the incidence of disease; around 99% in the case of Marek's disease
-- sacrifices public safety to efficacy
-- schoolboy howlers
-- the urgency of Dr Van Den Bossche's unpublished scientific hunch is such that there is no time to do the science, mass vaccination must be suspended immediately; but he has no ready solution, just more speculation (coindentally, about a new type of vaccine he is involved in making, but hasn't shared with other scientists yet.)
-- hasn't published a research paper since 1995

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche
https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/addressing-geert-vanden-bossches-claims

Read this after I replied, and like I noted, he does sound quite alarmed for some reason. What he mentions isn't new either, or without merit, but not a better alternative to vaccines at the moment.

[spurraider21]

my folks were set to visit us this weekend to visit spurraider jr... just cancelled their flights because my dad tested positive last second

[hater]

my folks were set to visit us this weekend to visit spurraider jr... just cancelled their flights because my dad tested positive last second

That sucks but vaxed right. So should be fine.

They really need to stop calling it a rare breakthrough infection

[hater]

my folks were set to visit us this weekend to visit spurraider jr... just cancelled their flights because my dad tested positive last second

That sucks but vaxed right. So should be fine.

They really need to stop calling it a rare breakthrough infection

[Winehole23]

RO=8-9 now?


The CDC presentation says the Delta variant is about as transmissible as chickenpox, with each infected person, on average, infecting eight or nine others. The original lineage was about as transmissible as the common cold, with each infected person passing the virus to about two other people on average.https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/politics/cdc-masks-covid-19-infections/index.html

[Winehole23]

Classic GOP bully act: Wisconsin Republicans will meet remotely without a public hearing to prevent UW from protecting its students.

45,000 students attend UW.


A Republican-controlled committee plans to block the University of Wisconsin from instituting COVID-19 testing, masking and vaccination protocols on campuses across the state, a move that comes as health officials sound warnings (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/07/28/wisconsin-officials-urge-people-get-vaccinated-delta-variant/5408139001/) about the rapidly spreading, highly contagious delta variant.


State Sen. Steve Nass said Wednesday that he would be moving to require the university to get approval from the Legislature before enacting any virus-related regulations. Nass co-chairs the Legislature’s GOP-controlled rules committee, which Nass said will vote remotely Tuesday to block UW virus protocols without a public hearing.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2021/07/29/republican-moves-block-uw-virus-testing-vaccination-rules/5415926001/

[Winehole23]

based on this, perhaps?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7gkGEoXMAA1YxC?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[Winehole23]

"preliminary data, subject to change"

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[Winehole23]

more screenshots (allegedly) of the internal CDC document at this thread:

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[Winehole23]

"get the shot, people"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7hLP1XVgAAw2nf?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[slick'81]

Spreads faster then chicken pox,common cold and ebola. Worry that current vaccines will soon be ineffective. Fully vaccinated immune compromised and elderly being hospitalized:wow delta is really fucking shit up

[hater]

:lol CNN a complete 180

Vaccination is not enough by itself to stop the spread of variants, study finds

But, but vaccines :cry

Says new goal is to keep.wearing masks until we vaccinate 8 billion people and hope the resistant strains die out by us wearing masks the whole time.

So we gonna be wearing masks and social distance for thenext 2, 3 years and that MIGHT work :lmao :lol

[hater]

New Zealand back in the lead as most successful country. USA back to the middle of the pack

https://twitter.com/covid19nz/status/1419851947947954178?s=19

[hater]

Time for another toilet paper run...

[DarrinS]

my folks were set to visit us this weekend to visit spurraider jr... just cancelled their flights because my dad tested positive last second

Man, that sucks.

I have a friend in Colorado who got exposed. His only symptoms were chills, which resolved overnight.

Fully vaxxed (Moderna). 60+ white male. No comorbidities.

[DarrinS]

UK data suggests delta less deadly

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

[hater]

3.8 billion doses have been administered in Earth

Thats like 2 billion fully vaxed humans tops? So it took 8 months to vax 2 billion and those were the easy ones (rich countries)

The hard part is vaxing the remaining 6 billion humans in mostly poor countries. That easilyncan take 2 - 4 years.

Oh and forgot that we need to keep.boosting these people throughout :lol

[Winehole23]

not quite as simple as "Dems do it, Republicans don't"

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[pgardn]

If The virus can be transmitted by vaccinated individuals just as easy as unvaccinated we are in deep shit and the symptoms are significant in both groups we are in big trouble.

The antivac population was big enough and timed properly. Either the virus has significantly changed in delta or people are just getting giant doses now as opposed to earlier where the vaccines were clearly working. Or a combination of both.

not good If some of this internal “might be” turns out to be accurate

[Winehole23]

If The virus can be transmitted by vaccinated individuals just as easy as unvaccinated we are in deep shit and the symptoms are significant in both groups we are in big trouble.

The antivac population was big enough and timed properly. Either the virus has significantly changed in delta or people are just getting giant doses now as opposed to earlier where the vaccines were clearly working. Or a combination of both.

not good If some of this internal “might be” turns out to be accurateCDC needs to show its work; it smacks of propaganda not to release the data publicly so experts can evaluate it.

It should also be be stressed that vaccination still does a great job of preventing infection, 80-90%+ efficacy for mRNA vaccines. Therefore, it is misleading to say, as many media outlets have, that the vaccinated spread COVID "just as easily." If vaccine efficacy is as good as advertised, the ratio of the vaccinated spreading COVID will be much smaller than the ratio of unvaccinated folks passing it on.

[Winehole23]

it seems more reasonable to say, if the CDC's internal docs accurately reflect the facts, is that because people with breakthrough infections have similar titers as unvaccinated people, similar rates of transmission may be expected.

[Winehole23]

this may have spooked the CDC


As of Thursday, 882 people were tied to the Provincetown outbreak. Among those living in Massachusetts, 74% of them were fully immunized, yet officials said the vast majority were also reporting symptoms. Seven people were reported hospitalized.


When a vaccinated person gets infected with delta -- called a "breakthrough infection" -- "the level of virus in their nasopharynx is about 1,000 times higher than with the alpha variant," Fauci said in an interview Wednesday with MSNBC.https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cdc-mask-decision-stunning-findings-cape-cod-beach/story?id=79148102

[SpursforSix]

If The virus can be transmitted by vaccinated individuals just as easy as unvaccinated we are in deep shit and the symptoms are significant in both groups we are in big trouble.

The antivac population was big enough and timed properly. Either the virus has significantly changed in delta or people are just getting giant doses now as opposed to earlier where the vaccines were clearly working. Or a combination of both.

not good If some of this internal “might be” turns out to be accurate

We could be fucked. Not to even mention that as of right now (according to what I've read), we can transmit the virus to animals (pets specifically), but the risk is low that they transmit to humans.
But if that's wrong, or that virus continues to mutate and becomes easily transmissible between species, then that's a major problem.

[Winehole23]

We could be fucked. Not to even mention that as of right now (according to what I've read), we can transmit the virus to animals (pets specifically), but the risk is low that they transmit to humans.
But if that's wrong, or that virus continues to mutate and becomes easily transmissible between species, then that's a major problem.related:

https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/7/29/22600656/covid-mutations-in-new-york-city-sewage-possible-dog-rat
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.26.21261142v1

[Winehole23]

We could be fucked. Not to even mention that as of right now (according to what I've read), we can transmit the virus to animals (pets specifically), but the risk is low that they transmit to humans.
But if that's wrong, or that virus continues to mutate and becomes easily transmissible between species, then that's a major problem.related:

https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/7/29/22600656/covid-mutations-in-new-york-city-sewage-possible-dog-rat
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.26.21261142v1

[pgardn]

CDC needs to show its work; it smacks of propaganda not to release the data publicly so experts can evaluate it.

It should also be be stressed that vaccination still does a great job of preventing infection, 80-90%+ efficacy for mRNA vaccines. Therefore, it is misleading to say, as many media outlets have, that the vaccinated spread COVID "just as easily." If vaccine efficacy is as good as advertised, the ratio of the vaccinated spreading COVID will be much smaller than the ratio of unvaccinated folks passing it on.

And worse, if some of this new "might be" is true, populations centers with a large % vaccinated will still be spared if the stats of having to go to the hospital if vaccinated stays really low. The one so called breakthrough case I am directly familiar with is a 25 yo that had mild cold symptoms but she really tried hard to get the virus by the situations she put herself in. (she tried really really hard by "enclosing" herself in a room and limo with 2 girls with symptoms for 2 days; bachelorette event) Hell I dont even do that with my wife. Separate jobs, separate timing of running our daily lives. Lets hope getting an infection through a large viral load at once or a number of times is still mitigated in that your immune system is primed enough to prevent really bad symptoms. I am seeing numbers like 1000X the load in people infected with delta. So it may be just pure numbers of viral particles along with efficiency in binding to cells in your body once in. Apparently delta has 3 major separate mutations that might be bad. One is not even on the Spike protein.

Older people that are vaccinated.... hope they hold up well enough not to cause a run on health care facilities.

[pgardn]

We could be fucked. Not to even mention that as of right now (according to what I've read), we can transmit the virus to animals (pets specifically), but the risk is low that they transmit to humans.
But if that's wrong, or that virus continues to mutate and becomes easily transmissible between species, then that's a major problem.

In the unusually widespread virus scenario you get vaccinated knowing you will get infected but will mitigate symptoms. Thats the hope. We still have weapons in our arsenal. But if people want to help create new mutations if we find a vaccine that works through a very different mechanism, they certainly keep up the antivac stuff. We also need to make sure other countries get this vaccine if it is needed. But nonetheless, merely being in a region with a high % of vaccinated people is definitely an advantage. We all need to move to Vermont. 84% vaccinated 12 yo and up.

[Thanos]

https://i.ibb.co/FzSLM8w/3976-D104-5650-4-DC2-B017-C51-EA5-D0-A419.jpg

[SpursforSix]

related:

https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/7/29/22600656/covid-mutations-in-new-york-city-sewage-possible-dog-rat
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.26.21261142v1

From the first link:

"In November, Denmark culled 17 million minks (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/animal-news/here-s-why-denmark-culled-17-million-minks-now-plans-n1249610) after the virus jumped from a human handler to the minks, then back to humans. In Michigan, a taxidermist became infected with coronavirus and, after his test results were sent to a lab, it was determined that there was a mutation in his sample that came from an infected mink."

[pgardn]

From the first link:

"In November, Denmark culled 17 million minks (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/animal-news/here-s-why-denmark-culled-17-million-minks-now-plans-n1249610) after the virus jumped from a human handler to the minks, then back to humans. In Michigan, a taxidermist became infected with coronavirus and, after his test results were sent to a lab, it was determined that there was a mutation in his sample that came from an infected mink."

Fortunately this does not appear to be a major mechanism of transmission.
Although the jumping back and forth between species is never good when we are trying to create an appropriate vaccine.

[SpursforSix]

Fortunately this does not appear to be a major mechanism of transmission.
Although the jumping back and forth between species is never good when we are trying to create an appropriate vaccine.

Sure. It's just troubling that this could be coming. We may always be playing catch up.

And I expect that Big Pharma will continue to push the current vaccines instead of spending the time and $ to get ahead of it. For as long as possible anyway.

[hater]

Dr Ding Dong yes but it makes sense. Explains why so many "rare breakthroughs"

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1418669720874721283?s=19

I think CDCs 180 has more to do with saving face.and preventing total collapse of.their "vaccines will end this pandemic" imaginary fantasy than actually doing anything

If all of a sudden tens of.thousands of fully vaxxed guinea pig americans start getting the sniffles they will be like WTF.

CDC making a move to say. Yeah we expected this :lmao

:lol stupid monkeys

[Adam Lambert]

my folks were set to visit us this weekend to visit spurraider jr... just cancelled their flights because my dad tested positive last second

That sucks. We're flying out of the country on Wednesday so crossing fingers for negative tests. We've been in 2020 mode the past week just for precaution.

[pgardn]

Sure. It's just troubling that this could be coming. We may always be playing catch up.

And I expect that Big Pharma will continue to push the current vaccines instead of spending the time and $ to get ahead of it. For as long as possible anyway.

Well we are with the flu currently.
Fortunately, getting the vaccine, even a fairly "bad" vaccine still can keep you out of the hospital and just a day or two of feeling bad. It may come down to this.

Imo this virus just does not have the multiple "tricks" the flu has. The flu crazy deceptive molecularly.

[hater]

They all knew from day 1. They just decided to still push it as the magic bullet.

Posted Sept 2020





interesting emphasis

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:lol

I actually agree

[pgardn]

That sucks. We're flying out of the country on Wednesday so crossing fingers for negative tests. We've been in 2020 mode the past week just for precaution.

I guess you are aware you got to test negative to get back in the US?
This is one of the things that kept my group going to Canada to kayak in Sept. We cancelled.
If one of us tested positive and could not get back for work...
Have you looked into this?
And I know its still a very fluid situation with plans into Canada anyway. They finally said they were open to travelers on Aug 8 but they could easily nix it.

Hell, maybe you want to stay wherever, it might be safer.

[hater]

My big bank clients now saying back to office in Sept in doubt

[spurraider21]

Man, that sucks.

I have a friend in Colorado who got exposed. His only symptoms were chills, which resolved overnight.

Fully vaxxed (Moderna). 60+ white male. No comorbidities.
Thanks for confirming your friend is white.

kidding aside, my dad is 60s. He’s fat but no diagnostic conditions. He did have some mild symptoms like coughing which prompted him to get tested. He started getting some headache and chills late last night too. He got J&J

[DarrinS]

Thanks for confirming your friend is white.

kidding aside, my dad is 60s. He’s fat but no diagnostic conditions. He did have some mild symptoms like coughing which prompted him to get tested. He started getting some headache and chills late last night too. He got J&J


I also pointed out his gender.

Is he feeling better today?

[DarrinS]

For all the fuss over Israel efficacy data, look at their daily deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/

[Adam Lambert]

I guess you are aware you got to test negative to get back in the US?
This is one of the things that kept my group going to Canada to kayak in Sept. We cancelled.
If one of us tested positive and could not get back for work...
Have you looked into this?
And I know its still a very fluid situation with plans into Canada anyway. They finally said they were open to travelers on Aug 8 but they could easily nix it.

Hell, maybe you want to stay wherever, it might be safer.

We have to test negative for both flights. I wouldn't mind testing positive before coming back. :tu

[RandomGuy]

https://i.ibb.co/FzSLM8w/3976-D104-5650-4-DC2-B017-C51-EA5-D0-A419.jpg

Damn. This just wins the internet.

[SpursforSix]

Troubling....
I guess the upside is that it may lead to more effective treatment for Alzheimer's.


Research looks for possible COVID tie to later Alzheimer’shttps://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d8fbdcb7fd099e2416d0b15d99bc564c

[hater]

Posted November 2020


Not necessarily. The more mild a virus is the more successful it is but that doesn't mean all mutations become more mild.

Things get more risky as the virus travels through different species. Imagine human>ferret>dog>cat>raccoon>coyote>dog>cat>human, who knows wtf that result is. That's why scientists are concerned about wild animal populations getting infected.




Snakeboi :tu

[hater]

:wow posted January 2021 :wow


Called it for months

There will not be a true vaccine

Covid is here to stay. We can hope on better therapeutics and mutations to less lethal versions




A human coronavirus evolves antigenically to escape antibody immunity
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.17.423313v1.full

This might change everything. Turns out everybody just assumed reinfection by common cold HCoV's was due to waning immunity over time and never bothered to check if they were escaping immunity. This study shows we retain immunity to H229E long term but it mutates just like influenza albeit more slowly. With the amount of infection present in the world I won't be surprised at all if we select for vaccine resistance, especially since we are going to play fast and loose with the dosing.




Will vaccines stop the new coronavirus strains? Here's what scientists say.
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/01/08/virus-mutations

tldr vaccines will continue to work on Covid-19. Covid-21/22 not so much. Biden will get a do-over.




We still will probably have to adjust our lifestyle permanently, and hopefully have instant tests or even a thermometer type test that can detect virus. That way we can still congregate.

Also once we reach age of 65 might even have to be more careful.

Its nature. Some people will live, some will die. It is what it is I guess



These 2 nigas called it :wow :tu

Called the fuck.out of.the whole thing :wow

Props

[pgardn]

Hater:

What is a TRUE vaccine.
So the flu vaccine is not a TRUE vaccine?

How about Hepatitis A?
How about Hepatitis B?
How about Chicken Pox?
How about Rabies?
How about Shingles?

Do you want more vaccines to rate?
Because this vaccine at this time has done an excellent job. And you were going on and on about all the cases of people reacting to just getting the vaccine... yeah I called it on you. You took a giant L on that one.

[hater]

Its not a silver bullet vaccine. Its just another tool to fight the epidemic. I said from day 1 sick and old should get it and it will help them, thats all.

Its not that the vaccine is the proble its being used as a solution to the plague which clearly is not. All.these bullshit about herd immunity using the vax is bullshit.

You are welcome to disagree, sir. Lets try not to call each other names :tu

[boutons_deux]

Father of five dies after texting fiancee:

'I should have gotten the damn vaccine'

https://www.rawstory.com/vaccine-hesitancy-2654291616

[Winehole23]

For all the fuss over Israel efficacy data, look at their daily deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/death is one data point, overtaxing hospitals is another.

buckle up, sweetie


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[pgardn]

Its not a silver bullet vaccine. Its just another tool to fight the epidemic. I said from day 1 sick and old should get it and it will help them, thats all.

Its not that the vaccine is the proble its being used as a solution to the plague which clearly is not. All.these bullshit about herd immunity using the vax is bullshit.

You are welcome to disagree, sir. Lets try not to call each other names :tu

I will not call you names unless you purposely put out false material.
When you call an authoritarian dictator (long before ISIS) who has continuously killed his own people who disagree with him, a Lion and freedom fighter.
Then I will call you a name when you claim some sort of humanitarian character in yourself.

[pgardn]

Its not a silver bullet vaccine. Its just another tool to fight the epidemic. I said from day 1 sick and old should get it and it will help them, thats all.

Its not that the vaccine is the proble its being used as a solution to the plague which clearly is not. All.these bullshit about herd immunity using the vax is bullshit.

You are welcome to disagree, sir. Lets try not to call each other names :tu

Also it is pretty astounding what would have happened if we treated polio and small pox like we treated this vaccine. If there was as much refusal and disinformation we might still have these horrible diseases maiming and killing people. Human behavior has had a huge role in the effectiveness of this vaccine in this country.
Yes there would be other countries with variants, but just having a large population vaccinated like Vermont has accomplished shows what could have been done. They have not seen the outbreaks like unvaccinated states. Vermont should not be looking kindly on the rest of the country coming and going from their state NOW.
This virus also plays local games. People should realize this now. We dont want to have States and or cities deciding to cut themselves off. This is not easy stuff. The lack of unity in this country has made things very difficult. It did NOT have to be this way.

[Winehole23]

AZ's largest school district tells Doug Ducey and AZ lege to stuff it

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[pgardn]

AZ's largest school district tells Doug Ducey and AZ lege to stuff it

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America First!
The UNITED States and united counties, and united cities, and united school districts, and united zip codes...

[boutons_deux]

FL Counties Impose Mask Mandates Despite Threat From DeSantis to Invalidate Them

At least two mayors in Florida counties have issued new mandates (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-mask-vaccine-mandates_n_6102cd76e4b0fd216c235c44) in response to the growing threat of coronavirus in their jurisdictions as a result of the growing dominance of the Delta variant, which is more transmissible than other strains.

Masks or facial coverings are now required in all indoor buildings and facilities managed by Miami-Dade County. Mayor Daniella Levine Cava said the decision was based on a recent surge of new cases and hospitalizations in the county.

“We have all come too far. We have all sacrificed too much in this past almost year and a half. We cannot turn back now,”

https://truthout.org/articles/fl-counties-impose-mask-mandates-despite-threat-from-desantis-to-invalidate-them/

[Thread]

death is one data point, overtaxing hospitals is another.

buckle up, sweetie


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7e-saXXEA0EKag?format=jpg&name=900x900

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C'mon, Joe, no better time than right this second to finally divulge your "plan."

tee, hee.

[TSA]

Also it is pretty astounding what would have happened if we treated polio and small pox like we treated this vaccine. If there was as much refusal and disinformation we might still have these horrible diseases maiming and killing people. Human behavior has had a huge role in the effectiveness of this vaccine in this country.
Yes there would be other countries with variants, but just having a large population vaccinated like Vermont has accomplished shows what could have been done. They have not seen the outbreaks like unvaccinated states. Vermont should not be looking kindly on the rest of the country coming and going from their state NOW.
This virus also plays local games. People should realize this now. We dont want to have States and or cities deciding to cut themselves off. This is not easy stuff. The lack of unity in this country has made things very difficult. It did NOT have to be this way.

What were the CFR's of Polio and Small Pox?

[pgardn]

C'mon, Joe, no better time than right this second to finally divulge your "plan."

tee, hee.

His plan was to get the vast majority of the population vaccinated.
For "some reason" people believed they should not be vaccinated (anything to do with the previous administration and officials who did not even want to admit they got vaccinated for fear of upsetting their votes?)

[pgardn]

What were the CFR's of Polio and Small Pox?

When?
It what time frame?

[boutons_deux]

‘It hit me like a wall’:

This is what it’s like to have a breakthrough case of COVID-19

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/07/29/nation/this-is-what-its-like-have-breakthrough-case-covid-19

[TSA]

When?
It what time frame?

In the timeline you laid out, when the vaccines were rolled out.

[ducks]

Lol Meghan McCain I have a better shot at getting shot in DC then contracting Covid

[boutons_deux]

Religion, esp Religion for profit, makes you stupid

Christian summer camp turns into 17-state Covid superspreader

A Christian summer camp in rural North Carolina :lol

became a coronavirus superspreader.

where they could hike, swim, zipline and

be served a "healthy portion of God's word" :lol covid included at no extra charge

-- but public officials have traced at least 76 COVID-19 cases nationwide back to The Wilds,

https://www.rawstory.com/summer-camp-19/

How many pregnancies and Christian abortions?

[Winehole23]

daily cases have surpassed last summer's peak, on a steeper curve




https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/covid-cases-regions-21.pnghttps://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states&highlight=US-Northeast&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=US-Midwest%2CUS-South%2CUS-West%2CUnited%20States#states

[pgardn]

In the timeline you laid out, when the vaccines were rolled out.

Are you kidding?

The smallpox vaccine was given widely in the US in a diff form very early on. 1800s in Europe widespread in the US west in the mid 1800s. Do you mean by the WHO? What time frame 1796 by Edward Jenner? It was one of the first vaccines... Polio vaccine also changed widely in form.

I will read your reply when you go through the history of each vaccine and how it changed and how widely used it was and when government agencies or world wide organizations actually took the lead. I look forward to your history upon return from work and exercise. I would like reading it by tonight sometime after 10 but not after 11:30 pm

[boutons_deux]

"In the late 1940s,

polio outbreaks in the U.S. increased in frequency and size,

disabling an average of more than 35,000 people each year."

https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html

[TSA]

Are you kidding?

The smallpox vaccine was given widely in the US in a diff form very early on. 1800s in Europe widespread in the US west in the mid 1800s. Do you mean by the WHO? What time frame 1796 by Edward Jenner? It was one of the first vaccines... Polio vaccine also changed widely in form.

I will read your reply when you go through the history of each vaccine and how it changed and how widely used it was and when government agencies or world wide organizations actually took the lead. I look forward to your history upon return from work and exercise. I would like reading it by tonight sometime after 10 but not after 11:30 pm

You could pick any time frame you wanted it doesn't really matter. The point was your comparison of society's reaction to a vaccine was just a dumb one considering the differences in CFR of Polio/Small Pox compared to Covid.

[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

wherever infection rates are high

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[Winehole23]

mandates coming quickly today

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[ElNono]

It really has nothing to do with CFR. Back in the early days of vaccination, people were generally more distrustful than today since vaccines didn't really exist before that time, so there was no frame of reference, and understanding the science behind it was (and it still can be for the average joe) hard.

In the case of TB and Polio, there were also incidents with contaminated vaccines which further eroded confidence at the time.

At this point in time though, with a track record of over 100 years, the risk/reward ratio, process, effectiveness, etc is well documented and understood.

Even relatively-new tech like mRNA is merely an innovation on the delivery mechanism to initiate the natural reaction, there is nothing new in how the immunization process works.

Spreading FUD is the edgy thing du jour, unfortunately, and clearly has an audience.

[Winehole23]

And now has reversed mask guidance, too late, by strangulated half measures.

Biden is blowing it on COVID.

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[Thread]

wherever infection rates are high

1421183598896586759

Damn rights, you can contract it whether you're shot OR not. See, they're kinda keeping that on down low...A. because mother fucker Biden is in there. B. because the Olympics are going on. C. because they're pissed that they had/have to address Delta and not just wave as it went by.

[hater]

Lol Meghan McCain I have a better shot at getting shot in DC then contracting Covid

She is a huge shepig

Probably catch a DC stray bullet.easily with those dimensions

[Thread]

And now has reversed mask guidance, too late, by strangulated half measures.

Biden is blowing it on COVID.

1421190027816677378

Well, he had that "plan" and never divulged it. But let us be frank here, Winester; he had nary "plan." The mother fucker was just trying to make President by hook, or, by crook. Now he's up to his asshole in alligators,,,with the vast lion's share of the 100+ million Americans who aren't vaccinated deemed "chumps" by he himself.

Serves him right to suffer.
His regrets are his own.
I've no sympathy for him.

[Thread]

She is a huge shepig

Probably catch a DC stray bullet.easily with those dimensions

I don't care, hater, I'd still like to have her sit upon my face, especially when she's wearing that bright red lipstick.

[hater]

It really has nothing to do with CFR. Back in the early days of vaccination, people were generally more distrustful than today since vaccines didn't really exist before that time, so there was no frame of reference, and understanding the science behind it was (and it still can be for the average joe) hard.

In the case of TB and Polio, there were also incidents with contaminated vaccines which further eroded confidence at the time.

At this point in time though, with a track record of over 100 years, the risk/reward ratio, process, effectiveness, etc is well documented and understood.

Even relatively-new tech like mRNA is merely an innovation on the delivery mechanism to initiate the natural reaction, there is nothing new in how the immunization process works.

Spreading FUD is the edgy thing du jour, unfortunately, and clearly has an audience.

There is little reward for a young healthy person to get a covid vaccine

And absolutely zero reward for them to get a booster

[SnakeBoy]

death is one data point, overtaxing hospitals is another.

buckle up, sweetie


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7e-saXXEA0EKag?format=jpg&name=900x900


Hospitalization rates are well below the last wave and will remain that way unless we are being lied to about vaccine efficacy. It's disingenuous to use ICU bed availability as the metric for overwhelming hospitals. ICU beds are too expensive to be kept available when they are not needed. It's demonstrated in your graph.

[ElNono]

There is little reward for a young healthy person to get a covid vaccine

And absolutely zero reward for them to get a booster

That makes sense if the infection only affects them. But it doesn't, it also affects other people they come in contact with while infected, and also increases the possibility of mutation.

As was explained in an articles posted here recently by Wino:

I reached out to Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology and the co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine, to get his thoughts on whether antibiotic resistance and vaccine-associated immune escape are indeed comparable. “In a sense it is, but he misses the main point,” Dr. Offit told me. A vaccine shows your body an inert part of the virus so that it can make neutralizing antibodies against it. If the body ends up making low levels of these antibodies, i.e. not enough to swiftly kill the virus when you catch it, this could allow the virus to stick around in your body for a little bit and make copies of itself. Some of these copies may by chance have the right kinds of errors in their genetic code to become variants of concern, although the mutation rate of this coronavirus is quite low.

“But if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that’s not a way to create variants,” he continued. To use an analogy, if a gaggle of invaders is coming but you have only managed to round up a few soldiers, be prepared for a long siege during which the enemy might learn a thing or two about your defences and adapt. But if you have a full and overpowering army at your command, the invaders won’t stick around for long.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche

In other words, if your body has the antibodies ready, the virus simply has a shorter lifespan and thus less chance to mutate.

[hater]

That makes sense if the infection only affects them. But it doesn't, it also affects other people they come in contact with while infected, and also increases the possibility of mutation.

As was explained in an articles posted here recently by Wino:

I reached out to Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology and the co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine, to get his thoughts on whether antibiotic resistance and vaccine-associated immune escape are indeed comparable. “In a sense it is, but he misses the main point,” Dr. Offit told me. A vaccine shows your body an inert part of the virus so that it can make neutralizing antibodies against it. If the body ends up making low levels of these antibodies, i.e. not enough to swiftly kill the virus when you catch it, this could allow the virus to stick around in your body for a little bit and make copies of itself. Some of these copies may by chance have the right kinds of errors in their genetic code to become variants of concern, although the mutation rate of this coronavirus is quite low.

“But if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that’s not a way to create variants,” he continued. To use an analogy, if a gaggle of invaders is coming but you have only managed to round up a few soldiers, be prepared for a long siege during which the enemy might learn a thing or two about your defences and adapt. But if you have a full and overpowering army at your command, the invaders won’t stick around for long.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche

In other words, if your body has the antibodies ready, the virus simply has a shorter lifespan and thus less chance to mutate.

We have 6 billion ppl unvacccinated and that will remain for some years.

Some american thinking that mutations will stop because they get a shot is silly. Also there is no evidence that vaxed dont create mutations. There is a new study CNN showed today that says a highly vaxed population will actually make the stronger mutations more prevalent.

[baseline bum]

There is little reward for a young healthy person to get a covid vaccine

And absolutely zero reward for them to get a booster

Bunch of bullshit misinformation. My brother is young and in ridiculously good health (when we go hiking up in the mountains at 10,000 feet he looks like it's about as tough for him as walking the dog) and had a case of COVID that knocked him on his ass for two weeks and took three months for his lungs to recover from.

[hater]

Bunch of bullshit misinformation. My brother is young and in ridiculously good health (when we go hiking up in the mountains at 10,000 feet he looks like it's about as tough for him as walking the dog) and had a case of COVID that knocked him on his ass for two weeks and took three months for his lungs to recover from.

And hes fine now right? Any medical conditions or smoking?

He also has natural immunity now. Good for him:tu

[baseline bum]

And hes fine now right? Any medical conditions or smoking?

He also has natural immunity now. Good for him:tu

Fuck off dumbass. No smoking, no health issues, has not an ounce of fat on him. Pretty sure he's not very happy about having to blow a bunch of money going to specialists to find what the fuck was wrong with his lungs for three months.

[SnakeBoy]

That makes sense if the infection only affects them. But it doesn't, it also affects other people they come in contact with while infected, and also increases the possibility of mutation.

As was explained in an articles posted here recently by Wino:

I reached out to Dr. Paul Offit, a paediatrician specialized in vaccines and immunology and the co-inventor of the rotavirus vaccine, to get his thoughts on whether antibiotic resistance and vaccine-associated immune escape are indeed comparable. “In a sense it is, but he misses the main point,” Dr. Offit told me. A vaccine shows your body an inert part of the virus so that it can make neutralizing antibodies against it. If the body ends up making low levels of these antibodies, i.e. not enough to swiftly kill the virus when you catch it, this could allow the virus to stick around in your body for a little bit and make copies of itself. Some of these copies may by chance have the right kinds of errors in their genetic code to become variants of concern, although the mutation rate of this coronavirus is quite low.

“But if you have a vaccine that results in high levels of neutralizing antibodies, that’s not a way to create variants,” he continued. To use an analogy, if a gaggle of invaders is coming but you have only managed to round up a few soldiers, be prepared for a long siege during which the enemy might learn a thing or two about your defences and adapt. But if you have a full and overpowering army at your command, the invaders won’t stick around for long.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche

In other words, if your body has the antibodies ready, the virus simply has a shorter lifespan and thus less chance to mutate.

I really like Offit, he's certainly the best out there at explaining vaccines but he's off base on this. It doesn't matter if we get a 100% vaccination rate, evolution will continue. In order to stop future variants we'll need to lockdown the country and stop all spread. Then stay isolated from the world until the virus is eliminated in all humans and animal reservoirs...canines, felines, mustelids, mice to name a few.

I know his intentions are to convince people to get vaccinated but I think it would be better to just tell them the truth. My wife is batting around 85% convincing her vaccine skeptic pts to get vaccinated by telling them the truth instead of twisting the truth like Offit is doing.

[hater]

I really like Offit, he's certainly the best out there at explaining vaccines but he's off base on this. It doesn't matter if we get a 100% vaccination rate, evolution will continue. In order to stop future variants we'll need to lockdown the country and stop all spread. Then stay isolated from the world until the virus is eliminated in all humans and animal reservoirs...canines, felines, mustelids, mice to name a few.

I know his intentions are to convince people to get vaccinated but I think it would be better to just tell them the truth. My wife is batting around 85% convincing her vaccine skeptic pts to get vaccinated by telling them the truth instead of twisting the truth like Offit is doing.

:tu

[hater]

Fuck off dumbass. No smoking, no health issues, has not an ounce of fat on him. Pretty sure he's not very happy about having to blow a bunch of money going to specialists to find what the fuck was wrong with his lungs for three months.

Glad hes doing better ma nig

Nobody saying getting covid is a picnic :lol

I have no problem with anyone getting the vax or the boosters if they want to have less disease. :tu

I also opted to get the vax mainly to stop spreading that shit but thay was a lie. Still glad I got it for extra protection. But no way in hell I get a booster before turning 60

[baseline bum]

Glad hes doing better ma nig

Nobody saying getting covid is a picnic :lol

I have no problem with anyone getting the vax or the boosters if they want to have less disease. :tu

You just were. Shit gets annoying here seeing you posting misinformation for the LOLs.

[ElNono]

We have 6 billion ppl unvacccinated and that will remain for some years.

Some american thinking that mutations will stop because they get a shot is silly. Also there is no evidence that vaxed dont create mutations. There is a new study CNN showed today that says a highly vaxed population will actually make the stronger mutations more prevalent.


I really like Offit, he's certainly the best out there at explaining vaccines but he's off base on this. It doesn't matter if we get a 100% vaccination rate, evolution will continue. In order to stop future variants we'll need to lockdown the country and stop all spread. Then stay isolated from the world until the virus is eliminated in all humans and animal reservoirs...canines, felines, mustelids, mice to name a few.

I know his intentions are to convince people to get vaccinated but I think it would be better to just tell them the truth. My wife is batting around 85% convincing her vaccine skeptic pts to get vaccinated by telling them the truth instead of twisting the truth like Offit is doing.

Offit didn't claim we will stop future variants. He's simply stating, and I don't see you refuting, that there's simply much less chance of new variants of note developing if people have suitable antibodies and the body can rid of the virus quicker.

This isn't a novel concept, is not controversial, nor it implies that variants won't continue to show up, it simply states that how long it takes for new notable variants to show up are both a factor of the virus mutation rate in general, and vaccine effectiveness in creating antibodies.

[hater]

You just were. Shit gets annoying here seeing you posting misinformation for the LOLs.

Um no

I have gotten influenza which kicked my ass for 10 days. Also gotten shit throughout my life that put me in bed for days.

Some friends have gotten pneumonia that almost killed them. Healthy ppl too.

Diaseases are there. And covid is much more dangerous that the above. We still should have a choice if we want our body to fight it alone or not. :tu

The only advantage of the vax was that you were not going to infect.grandma, the kids, your dog. That fantasy just crumbled

[baseline bum]

Um no

I have gotten influenza which kicked my ass for 10 days. Also gotten shit throughout my life that put me in bed for days.

Some friends have gotten pneumonia that almost killed them. Healthy ppl too.

Diaseases are there. And covid is much more dangerous that the above. We still should have a choice if we want our body to fight it alone or not. :tu

The only advantage of the vax was that you were not going to infect.grandma, the kids, your dog. That fantasy just crumbled

The advantage of the vaccines is your immune system has seen the spike proteins already for when you actually catch the virus. Your Trumptard act that you have said many times was just for the LOLs is annoying when discussing a virus that's going to kill a lot more Americans who buy into the same bullshit you post.

[DarrinS]

She is a huge shepig

Probably catch a DC stray bullet.easily with those dimensions

:lol

[hater]

The advantage of the vaccines is your immune system has seen the spike proteins already for when you actually catch the virus. Your Trumptard act that you have said many times was just for the LOLs is annoying when discussing a virus that's going to kill a lot more Americans who buy into the same bullshit you post.

Natural infection also gives you this advantage.

Im glad I got the vaccine to automatically get this advantage. Kinda like starting Doom with the plasma rifle :)

But fuck the booster.subscription bullshit.:lmao thats a scam

[SnakeBoy]

Offit didn't claim we will stop future variants. He's simply stating, and I don't see you refuting, that there's simply much less chance of new variants of note developing if people have suitable antibodies and the body can rid of the virus quicker.

This isn't a novel concept, is not controversial, nor it implies that variants won't continue to show up, it simply states that how long it takes for new notable variants to show up are both a factor of the virus mutation rate in general, and vaccine effectiveness in creating antibodies.

Well I was disputing it by saying we would have to isolate ourselves from the world. It doesn't matter if our vaccines were 100% effective in stopping viral replication (which they are not) we still have much of the world getting shitty sinopharm vaccines which apply just a little antibody pressure to the virus without stopping replication. That equals more variants.

I was listening to Osterholm, who started this pandemic calling it like it is before his emotional breakdown, and he almost got it right by saying if you're unvaccinated this virus will find you eventually. What he should have said is this virus will find you, vaccinated or not, and when it does you might wish you were vaccinated but it'll be too late.

[ElNono]

We have 6 billion ppl unvacccinated and that will remain for some years.

Some american thinking that mutations will stop because they get a shot is silly. Also there is no evidence that vaxed dont create mutations. There is a new study CNN showed today that says a highly vaxed population will actually make the stronger mutations more prevalent.

I don't know a single person that thinks mutations will stop, I certainly didn't make that argument.

But it's not a all or nothing proposition. Having new notable variants show up every 3-6 months vs 5-10 years is a big fucking deal. It affects from vaccines creation/tweaking to health services, to buying us time to treat the actual infection better.

So I'm glad we're donating vaccines to other countries to try to get them vaccinated. It helps. Same thing with young people. It might not make much of a difference for themselves, but it does make a difference in the overall fight against the pandemic.

[hater]

The CDC released that evidence on Friday. In a study of 469 cases of Covid-19 that broke out in the resort town of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, earlier this month, 74% occurred in “fully vaccinated persons.” Four out of five patients hospitalized were fully vaccinated, and on average the inoculated had completed their two rounds of doses only 86 days before infection.


We got scammed

[ElNono]

Well I was disputing it by saying we would have to isolate ourselves from the world. It doesn't matter if our vaccines were 100% effective in stopping viral replication (which they are not) we still have much of the world getting shitty sinopharm vaccines which apply just a little antibody pressure to the virus without stopping replication. That equals more variants.

I was listening to Osterholm, who started this pandemic calling it like it is before his emotional breakdown, and he almost got it right by saying if you're unvaccinated this virus will find you eventually. What he should have said is this virus will find you, vaccinated or not, and when it does you might wish you were vaccinated but it'll be too late.

No, you were disputing it by saying we would need to lock down to stop variants period, which is not an argument Offit made.

Of course it does matter how effective the vaccine is, and if sinopharm is shit, then we need to help provide better vaccines or help them make more effective vaccines. As I was saying in the previous post, the goal isn't to stop mutations completely (that'd be ideal, but not a realistic target right now), but to slow them down.

The fact is, odds of mutation increase the longer the virus is able to stay in the body replicating. That's why having some antibodies is indisputably better than having none.

[boutons_deux]

Despite GOP Whining, Big Majority Supports Vaccine Mandates

according to a new poll (https://osf.io/6wcn9/) conducted by the research organization COVID States Project (https://covidstates.org/about-us).

Axios reports (https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-vaccines-mandates-government-policy-dd087a81-234b-490e-863c-6ab829ef135a.html) that, according to the survey, support for vaccine mandates has increased since May, the last time the COVID States Project conducted a poll on the issue.

As of July, 64 percent of Americans supported a requirement that everyone get be vaccinated against COVID-19,

up from 62 percent in May.

An even greater 70 percent support requiring COVID-19 vaccines for air travel,

while 66 percent support a requirement that college students be vaccinated in order to go back to school.

https://www.nationalmemo.com/vaccine-mandates-public-support-

So 1/3 of Americans stupid, ignorant FreeDumb lovers, gulled, duped, lied to by Repugs, Trash, right wing hate media.

[DarrinS]

The CDC released that evidence on Friday. In a study of 469 cases of Covid-19 that broke out in the resort town of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, earlier this month, 74% occurred in “fully vaccinated persons.” Four out of five patients hospitalized were fully vaccinated, and on average the inoculated had completed their two rounds of doses only 86 days before infection.


We got scammed


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[boutons_deux]

CC summer pop is 500K

500 cases is 0.1%, fucking wonderful fact,

you ignorant RWNJs are immune to facts and gulled by bullshit

what number of vaccinated were hospitalized?

[hater]

1421139894257266691

Read the pdf

Genomic sequencing of
specimens from 133 patients identified the B.1.617.2 (Delta)
variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, in
119 (89%) and the Delta AY.3 sublineage in one (1%). Overall,
274 (79%) vaccinated patients with breakthrough infection
were symptomatic. Among five COVID-19 patients who
were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated; no deaths were
reported.

[DarrinS]

Read the pdf

Genomic sequencing of
specimens from 133 patients identified the B.1.617.2 (Delta)
variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, in
119 (89%) and the Delta AY.3 sublineage in one (1%). Overall,
274 (79%) vaccinated patients with breakthrough infection
were symptomatic. Among five COVID-19 patients who
were hospitalized, four were fully vaccinated; no deaths were
reported.


No contradiction

[hater]

No contradiction

:tu

5 hospitalizations. 4 were vaxed

[SnakeBoy]

The CDC released that evidence on Friday. In a study of 469 cases of Covid-19 that broke out in the resort town of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, earlier this month, 74% occurred in “fully vaccinated persons.” Four out of five patients hospitalized were fully vaccinated, and on average the inoculated had completed their two rounds of doses only 86 days before infection.


We got scammed

So how are you coming up with the we got scammed line. Vaccines don't prevent infection, not just this one but all of them, they never have. IDGAF if people test pcr positive, we've never pcr tested people for a virus en masse, so it means nothing. IDGAF if people get the sniffles or feel shitty for a week. If we get to the point that there is no difference between hospitalizations and death between vaccinated and unvaccinated then I'll be the first to say Hater called it but as for now the vaccines are working well as they are intended too. I mean it's fine to trigger dumb chumpettes who thought Biden was going "defeat" the virus and make it go away but that's a lot different than saying the vaccines are a scam. They are one of the most effective vaccines we've ever had and are working exactly like they are supposed to work. You know all of this.

[hater]

So how are you coming up with the we got scammed line. Vaccines don't prevent infection, not just this one but all of them, they never have. IDGAF if people test pcr positive, we've never pcr tested people for a virus en masse, so it means nothing. IDGAF if people get the sniffles or feel shitty for a week. If we get to the point that there is no difference between hospitalizations and death between vaccinated and unvaccinated then I'll be the first to say Hater called it but as for now the vaccines are working well as they are intended too. I mean it's fine to trigger dumb chumpettes who thought Biden was going "defeat" the virus and make it go away but that's a lot different than saying the vaccines are a scam. They are one of the most effective vaccines we've ever had and are working exactly like they are supposed to work. You know all of this.

Pretty simple. They sold.this shit vaccine as the solution to the 9andemic.

"Take the shot Craig,.you gonna feel good"

"Take the shot, Craig. You not gonna infect the kids, grandma or the dogs"

"Take the shot Craig. You gonna get high"

"Take the shot Craig, you dont have to wear q mask ever again"

"Take the shot Craig, you can go back to da.club"

:lmao

:lmao all lies

We got scammed

This is q third rate bullshit."vaccine"

[Adam Lambert]

I mean it's fine to trigger dumb chumpettes who thought Biden was going "defeat" the virus and make it go away

Snakeboy hedges his bets by creating a complete fictional strawman so he doesn't have to admit he's on the same side as the chumpettes on this issue.

It's okay to be right, dude. No one will judge you except maybe derp and koriwhat.

[ducks]

Pelosi removes mask in violation of Capitol Police guidance
Pelosi reinstated House floor mask mandate this week, sparking ire from Republicans

She needs her ass spanked

[hater]

Pelosi removes mask in violation of Capitol Police guidance
Pelosi reinstated House floor mask mandate this week, sparking ire from Republicans

She needs her ass spanked

She needs a psychologist ASAp

[Blake]

Pelosi removes mask in violation of Capitol Police guidance
Pelosi reinstated House floor mask mandate this week, sparking ire from Republicans

She needs her ass spanked


She needs a psychologist ASAp

Trump is as insane as anyone and not a peep about him from you sycophants. Never a peep.

[hater]

Trump is as insane as anyone and not a peep about him from you sycophants. Never a peep.

Of course Dump needs a therapist. As much as Old Joe needs an Alzheimers expert. But you probably disagree about Joe. Thus you are a mere cheerleading Muppet

[hater]

:lmao the scam is exposed

https://twitter.com/MrsT106/status/1421190490058334210?s=19

[ducks]

Virtually every single one of these players have been vaccinated. This is not opinion or anti-vaccination rhetoric. It is fact, truth and exposure to what is actually happening. Because non vaccinated players are NOT TESTING POSITIVE at such an incredibly high rate. Anyone with half a brain can put two and two together. Why are all these vaccinated players testing positive? Because they were vaccinated.

[Blake]

Virtually every single one of these players have been vaccinated. This is not opinion or anti-vaccination rhetoric. It is fact, truth and exposure to what is actually happening. Because non vaccinated players are NOT TESTING POSITIVE at such an incredibly high rate. Anyone with half a brain can put two and two together. Why are all these vaccinated players testing positive? Because they were vaccinated.

I mean, you're an idiot.

[DarrinS]

There's no scam

[pgardn]

You could pick any time frame you wanted it doesn't really matter. The point was your comparison of society's reaction to a vaccine was just a dumb one considering the differences in CFR of Polio/Small Pox compared to Covid.

Then you don’t get the comparison I was making.
Oh, it’s not the same because we have good info spreading on Q anon and many other BS places. The hesitation based on horrible cases of disinformation is a huge problem. To bad that does not make sense to you. Everyone is NOW an expert, just google your favorite Q anon site and you too can find child trading and eating groups among Democrats that the smart people in the know hAve figured out.

Yeah, that comparison.

[pgardn]

And worse, if some of this new "might be" is true, populations centers with a large % vaccinated will still be spared if the stats of having to go to the hospital if vaccinated stays really low. The one so called breakthrough case I am directly familiar with is a 25 yo that had mild cold symptoms but she really tried hard to get the virus by the situations she put herself in. (she tried really really hard by "enclosing" herself in a room and limo with 2 girls with symptoms for 2 days; bachelorette event) Hell I dont even do that with my wife. Separate jobs, separate timing of running our daily lives. Lets hope getting an infection through a large viral load at once or a number of times is still mitigated in that your immune system is primed enough to prevent really bad symptoms. I am seeing numbers like 1000X the load in people infected with delta. So it may be just pure numbers of viral particles along with efficiency in binding to cells in your body once in. Apparently delta has 3 major separate mutations that might be bad. One is not even on the Spike protein.

Older people that are vaccinated.... hope they hold up well enough not to cause a run on health care facilities.

Retraction:
This 25 yo told her parents and others SHE WAS VACCINATED when she now admits she WAS NOT.

I wonder what percentage of the so-called breakthroughs are due to lying.
Lying is an ok thing if you just call it disinformation according to our last president. It’s useful.

[SnakeBoy]

Detroit vaccination rate at 40.1% ("at least one dose")

That's lower than a lot of rural Texas Trumptard counties. I didn't realize failing Joe Biden was failing so badly with his own voters (allegedly).

Damn, I gave Hater shit for saying the senile old man would rack up more bodies than Trump. Might have to eat crow.

Fucking unbelievable that piece of shit was gifted effective treatments and vaccines and he still might end up the greatest mass murder in the American history.

[Ef-man]

First the grandparents, now the children.

Baton Rouge children's hospital nears capacity, braces for surge in Covid cases ahead of the school year.

A children's hospital in Louisiana is experiencing a wave of Covid-19 hospitalizations as the Delta variant pervades the region.

Dr. Trey Dunbar, president of Our Lady of the Lake Children's Hospital, said the spike in Covid-19 cases right now is twice what they saw in the pandemic's initial surge last year.

"We've seen over the past couple of weeks a pretty dramatic increase," Dunbar told CNN by phone Friday. "A good number more of children are requiring hospitalization."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/us/baton-rouge-childrens-hospital-surge/index.html

[Thread]

First the grandparents, now the children.

Baton Rouge children's hospital nears capacity, braces for surge in Covid cases ahead of the school year.

A children's hospital in Louisiana is experiencing a wave of Covid-19 hospitalizations as the Delta variant pervades the region.

Dr. Trey Dunbar, president of Our Lady of the Lake Children's Hospital, said the spike in Covid-19 cases right now is twice what they saw in the pandemic's initial surge last year.

"We've seen over the past couple of weeks a pretty dramatic increase," Dunbar told CNN by phone Friday. "A good number more of children are requiring hospitalization."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/us/baton-rouge-childrens-hospital-surge/index.html

California is in the same shitter, Ef. You've nary room.

[hater]

Detroit vaccination rate at 40.1% ("at least one dose")

That's lower than a lot of rural Texas Trumptard counties. I didn't realize failing Joe Biden was failing so badly with his own voters (allegedly).

Damn, I gave Hater shit for saying the senile old man would rack up more bodies than Trump. Might have to eat crow.

Fucking unbelievable that piece of shit was gifted effective treatments and vaccines and he still might end up the greatest mass murder in the American history.

I got homies in urban big cities bro. Nobody wants the shots.

I knew they were gonna blame trumptards at first but eventually the big city numbers would start showing the truth of the matter.

Yes I called average Joe would kill almost as many americans as Dump. Sadly Im probably spot on :(

[hater]

If they laced.the vax with cocaine im sure wed be reaching 99% rate right now.:lol

[hater]

Israel is a fascist shithole

https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1420993328192045057?s=19