Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Spurs Homer]

Which is what?

Show me the strategy Trump came up with and implemented.

Didnt you watch that Rose Garden presentation- ONE MONTH AGO?

Trump and Pence DECLARED

that Walmart would have drive thru parking lot testing all over the USA!
Target would have rapid testing at every target location....


tests were ramping up by the MILLIONS!

Private companies were lining up in UNPRECEDENTED fashion - NEVER before seen in history!!!


ONE month ago


so just run to your nearest walmart parking lot and wait, silly!

[RandomGuy]

Posting stuff doesn't mean anything.

I didn't latch on to anything. I've posted something.

What is my "confirmation bias"? At what point have I've downplayed this virus?

Most of mid's response is countering "implications" that I disagree with.

In the future spare me of your childish input.

When you post something, without comment, and it is bad, really, obviously, painfully, bad, and you don't offer a comment to that effect, it is indistinguishable from you not knowing how bad it is.

You have to own your posts.

Put on your big boy pants, man up and own it.

You posted something you thought looked good, and supported what you think is your Dear Leader's narrative. It failed.

Own it, quit deflecting and move on.

or better yet, offer your own critique. Do some fucking work for once.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1250126745426169857?s=19

:tu

[TSA]

Data does not support that. Every place that has locked down has seen a very predictable flattening of the curve, with places that haven't seen the trend upwards.

Not even really a debate.

:lol conservatives trying to have their own truth. Reality gonna dick-slap the lot of you. Again.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=chart&country=BEL+FRA+SWE+GBR

[Chris]

"For the sake of debate, so the President cannot "re-open" states, but it is entirely his fault that he didn’t perform each individual governor’s job of shutting them down, that’s the logic we’re going with this week."
- D. Loesch

[hater]

americans are so stupid

thousand deaths a day and no good solution and they argue about who has a bigger dick to open up business :lmao

stupid fucks

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1250128840099352576?s=19

[RandomGuy]

I can't believe there are some still arguing this. Of course, for Spurstalk, it's the usual suspects

The shape of things to come:


If the death toll is lower after isolation- it proves we didn't need to isolate!


Time to party!


One month after that:


Oh no! A second wave of corona virus is killing thousands more!


Who could have possibly forseen this?

xylophone

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/IvankaTrump/status/1250130584585809920?s=19

:tu:tu

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1250108255705194496?s=19

Trump

[RandomGuy]

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=chart&country=BEL+FRA+SWE+GBR

Eyup. Saw it in the really good article you posted. The same one where you said this:


Too early to compare Sweden's response until Norway and Denmark come out of lock down and we see if they spike again or not. Decent read at the link.

https://unherd.com/2020/04/jury-still-out-on-swedish-coronavirus-strategy/

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/raleighpolice/status/1250111779574894594?s=19

yikes

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1250121539271282688?s=19
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1250124336935002113?s=19

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1250117512236134400?s=19

[RandomGuy]

Here's the thing, letting young people get back to work won't save the economy or even boost it in any meaningful way. A huge portion of the workforce is over 40, and people over 40 in the US aren't in the best of shape. So I'm unsure of what "letting the young and healthy" getting back to work is supposed to achieve? Most of them are probably already working, either in essential grocery, fast food, healthcare jobs, or can work from home, since younger people tend to have jobs in tech. Young people also feature heavily in food service jobs, but even if "we opened up," that sector isn't going to do anywhere near pre-Covid business since no one will be comfortable crowding restaurants, bars and cafes for awhile.

The path to a wholesale getting back to work is test, test, test and knowing the particulars of this virus down to its last atom. If we find out it has a mortality and hospitalization rate around flu levels and if it's confirmed immunity is guaranteed after getting it, then we can confidently apply a set of strategies to reopen commerce. People with immunity can get back to work and the typical consumer activity of shopping, eating at restaurants, going to bars, theaters, etc. If we find out the virus is no more dangerous than the flu, then people will be comfortable in those crowded social settings. But we don't know much right now.

The flu generally does not leave permanent scarring on the lungs. That would seem to imply it is vastly worse, because even those that technically survive the first round, could die decades earlier from the lasting complications.

That is the part that scares ME.

[ChumpDumper]

"For the sake of debate, so the President cannot "re-open" states, but it is entirely his fault that he didn’t perform each individual governor’s job of shutting them down, that’s the logic we’re going with this week."
- D. Loesch:lol beet lady


Trump couldn't even make a recommendation much less lead.

Do you think Trump has the absolute authority to open states, Qhris?

Yes or no.

[TimDunkem]

The flu generally does not leave permanent scarring on the lungs. That would seem to imply it is vastly worse, because even those that technically survive the first round, could die decades earlier from the lasting complications.

That is the part that scares ME.

Also, many are seeing heart damage as well.

Sucks...

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1250121539271282688?s=19
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1250124336935002113?s=19Even if it's true, which I won't believe until nonconspiracy sources cover it, it doesn't mitigate Trump's failure at all. Sorry.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1250126745426169857?s=19

:tu

lol @ twatter fights

[Chris]

:lol beet lady


Trump couldn't even make a recommendation much less lead.

Do you think Trump has the absolute authority to open states, Qhris?

Yes or no.

In the context of emergency powers of the executive branch governing the interstate economy, the President enjoys plenary power compared to the Governors.

[ChumpDumper]

In the context of emergency powers of the executive branch governing the interstate economy, the President enjoys plenary power compared to the Governors.Really?

Where is that plenary power defined?

And this doesn't affect intrastate economies? How are they separated?

[Nathan89]

You're right. Most of them have better capabilities, especially the ones with universal health insurance, and non-free-market greed restricted excess hospital capacity, like, say, Germany.

Socialism is the answer here. Big bad logical pooling of risk. This whole episode is laying bare all the gaping sores of the US free market failures when it comes to health care and health insurance.

Suck it.

Socialist healthcare isn't a noteworthy tactic to execute this strategy. But thanks for trying ram agenda into every conversation.

[ChumpDumper]

Socialist healthcare isn't a noteworthy tactic to execute this strategy. But thanks for trying ram agenda into every conversation.You never said what Trump's announced strategy is.

[ElNono]

The only power he has is to compel federal workers to ignore local/state ordinances and get back to work... he lacks any police power authority in states, thus why he can't manhandle local PD to work with ICE, for example.

Same here, his authority is only as good as he's able to enforce it.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1250121539271282688?s=19
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1250124336935002113?s=19

It's my armchair understanding of genetically engineered viruses that they share/publish the molecular structure piece meal as studies, most bio labs share all this kinda info amongst themselves and that the sequencing of the current corona virus would have already revealed multiple red flags of "re-used backbone structures" (for lack of a better term) suggesting it was engineered.

[Nathan89]

When you post something, without comment, and it is bad, really, obviously, painfully, bad, and you don't offer a comment to that effect, it is indistinguishable from you not knowing how bad it is.

You have to own your posts.

Put on your big boy pants, man up and own it.

You posted something you thought looked good, and supported what you think is your Dear Leader's narrative. It failed.

Own it, quit deflecting and move on.

or better yet, offer your own critique. Do some fucking work for once.

You are just rambling nonsense per the usual. You are a dumbass. And you recognize that post doesn't fit your original of "confirming my bias" so you push the "dear leader" nonsense. Maybe stop trying to dunk on people and you wouldn't look like such an idiot.

[Nathan89]

You never said what Trump's announced strategy is.

Yes, I did. The strategy is evident in what is currently occuring.

[Chris]

Really?

Where is that plenary power defined?

And this doesn't affect intrastate economies? How are they separated?

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, I did. The strategy is evident in what is currently occuring.And that strategy is what?

[pgardn]

Yeah and they're even worse off than we are right now. It's unfortunate Boris Johnson seems to have recovered after killing so many of his countrymen.

And Boris Johnson had TWO highly qualified nurses standing over him taking his vitals for 48 hrs straight.
He said they saved his life. Smoking fat guy lives.
Their are people at the Harlem hospital on gurney's waiting in the halls to get seen.
Its ridiculous how the health game gets treated.

The proportion of minorities dying from this thing is a real testament to our health and wealth inequality.
Its shameful. And its not all Trump's fault, but he certainly did not make things better.

[Chris]

It's my armchair understanding of genetically engineered viruses that they share/publish the molecular structure piece meal as studies, most bio labs share all this kinda info amongst themselves and that the sequencing of the current corona virus would have already revealed multiple red flags of "re-used backbone structures" (for lack of a better term) suggesting it was engineered.

Most of the scientists including "patient 0" have disappeared.

[RandomGuy]

You are just rambling nonsense per the usual. You are a dumbass. And you recognize that post doesn't fit your original of "confirming my bias" so you push the "dear leader" nonsense. Maybe stop trying to dunk on people and you wouldn't look like such an idiot.

So you aren't going to put on your big boy pants or do any fucking work.

Got it.

Boy.

[TimDunkem]

Abbott to start rolling back restrictions on businesses.

[Nathan89]

"For the sake of debate, so the President cannot "re-open" states, but it is entirely his fault that he didn’t perform each individual governor’s job of shutting them down, that’s the logic we’re going with this week."
- D. Loesch

Media was outraged he didn't shut everything down just a few days ago and now they have to counter their bullshit. That's why trust in media is rapidly declining.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/mad_liberals/status/1250126745426169857?s=19

:tu

That video is well done tbh.

[Chris]

Abbott to start rolling back restrictions on businesses.

Abbott

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/:lol you didn't read the article.

It says nothing about the opening of state economies during a pandemic.

[Chris]

Media was outraged he didn't shut everything down just a few days ago and now they have to counter their bullshit. That's why trust in media is rapidly declining.

Chris Cuomo just dropped a nuclear warhead on his own station :lol

[pgardn]

It's my armchair understanding of genetically engineered viruses that they share/publish the molecular structure piece meal as studies, most bio labs share all this kinda info amongst themselves and that the sequencing of the current corona virus would have already revealed multiple red flags of "re-used backbone structures" (for lack of a better term) suggesting it was engineered.

Nope

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature

And there is lots more.
Sorry Chris, the dream of deep state intervention is over.

[pgardn]

Nope

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature

And there is lots more.
Sorry Chris, the dream of deep state intervention is over.

Honest to God there is no end of people who want science fiction out of this.
It never stops, the paranoia. Amazing.

Are there any Trumpsters on this site that get paid at a job to be correct...

[Chris]

That video is well done tbh.

the cameos are spot on :tu

[TSA]

Eyup. Saw it in the really good article you posted. The same one where you said this:


Data does not support that. Every place that has locked down has seen a very predictable flattening of the curve, with places that haven't seen the trend upwards.

Not even really a debate.

Except it is.

[pgardn]

That video is well done tbh.

Holy shit...

tbh... to be honest

Trump, cheddar chesus, has risen!

[hater]

Except it is.

no it isnt

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1250007002165755905?s=20

[hater]

for those idiots who still thing we should open up biz as usual:

Over the 31 days ending April 4, more than twice the typical number of New Yorkers died.

That total for the city includes deaths directly linked to the novel coronavirus as well as those from other causes, like heart attacks and cancer. Even this is only a partial count; we expect this number to rise as more deaths are counted.

These numbers contradict the notion that many people who are dying from the new virus would have died shortly anyway. And they suggest that the current coronavirus death figures understate the real toll of the virus, either because of undercounting of coronavirus deaths, increases in deaths that are normally preventable, or both.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/10/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html

[TSA]

Nope

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature

And there is lots more.
Sorry Chris, the dream of deep state intervention is over.

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1250148445454848002

Doesn't have to be human made to escape out of the lab.

[Winehole23]

Trump sees himself as Captain Bligh

1250075668282576898

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Abbott to start rolling back restrictions on businesses.

He never shut anything down to begin with, wtf
same deal with trump he passed the buck to the municipalities

[TSA]

no it isnt

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1250007002165755905?s=20

Yes, it is.

"A clearer way of looking at death numbers, also courtesy of the excellent Our World in Data, is the daily trend of deaths per million. Here you get a good sense of the trajectories. All of the countries listed below, except Sweden, have full national lockdowns. And yet Sweden is roughly in the middle of the pack. This is quite remarkable in itself, when set against the dominant narrative that lockdowns are the only thing capable of ‘flattening’ these curves and preventing tragedies that are many times worse."

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-daily-deaths-trajectory-per-million?country=BEL+DNK+ITA+NOR+SWE+GBR

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1250148445454848002

Doesn't have to be human made to escape out of the lab.Dude's magazine:

“At this point it’s inconclusive, although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural, but we do not know for sure,” Milley said.

Most scientists have publicly dismissed the theory that COVID-19 began as an escaped bioweapon, and there is no public evidence to support it.

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/04/coronavirus-escaped-chinese-bioweapon-heres-what-pentagon-says/164612/

When there is a more likely non-conspiracy explanation, TSA will always go with the less likely conspiracy explanation.

[RandomGuy]

Socialist healthcare isn't a noteworthy tactic to execute this strategy. But thanks for trying ram agenda into every conversation.

Solving the fucking problem *is* the conversation. The problem has been made vastly worse because of free-market failures.

The free market is not some infallible deity, as libertarians seem to think. It has failures. Monopolies, monosonies, duopolies, tragedy of the commons, etc.

That pea-brain stupid mother fuckers like yourself are too ignorant about how free markets work in reality is part of that wider problem of irrational faith in a system.

You have some childish, wishcasting about how the world works but no idea how it does. You beat off to some blog or meme and use that as a substitute for picking up a god-damned book and doing some math on occasion.

Lazy and ignorant.


Poverty kills.

All laws aside, no one in the restaurant industry goes to the doctor when they are sick. There are health code rules about what symtoms exclude you from work - you have to go to the doctor and get cleared, or be symptom free for 24 hours.

and they are *never* followed.

The people making your food do not have health insurance. Restaurants almost never offer it.

They do not have paid time off. Benefits like that aren't imaginable. They do not have enough people in the schedule to cover an absence. "lean staffing" It's more profitable.

The average age of a fast food worker is 29. The average income is $8.69 an hour. It is taxed about 21% on paychecks.

The average doctors visit w/o insurance costs $300-$600.

43.7 hours. at a minimum, more than a weeks take-home pay.

Going to the doctor is an *insane luxury*

we have watched people PRIDE themselves on working through illness and injury. I had a driver break his foot by stepping on a tennis ball in someone's driveway, and then work another four days on a broken foot on ibuprofin and spite.

Flu-like symptoms?

Fuck out of here.

MOST fast food workers are already on some kind of public assistence. Many of those are "means tested" and require them to keep jobs.

This means that:

1) fast food workers literally cannot afford to go to the doctor they will do what we've always done, dose up heavliy on Dayquil, puke in the bathroom, explain things away as being "hungover" or "tired" and their manager will pretend nothing is wrong.

2) fast food workers literally cannot afford to miss work. the median age is 29 for christ's sake. these are people with bills families and responsibilities.

Median 2 bedroom rent is 1,194 /mo That $8.69 wage is about is $1,190/ month take-home pay

Even with roommates that's half your money.

You can't afford to take off work, go to the doctor, much less take off work when the doctor says you need to be quarantined for three weeks. You need every hour.j

Otherwise you lose your job, then your housing, and anything else that keeps the wolf away from the door.

When this happened to me, the doctor said i needed to be off my feet and resting for two weeks, light duty for another two.

I took 4 days. It was one of two times in nine years that I missed work, both of them involving a trip to the emergency room.

People who work food service are less likely to have reliable transportation so they ride mass transit, exposing themselves to more people.

They live together in tight spaces, ensuring it spreads between folks.

They have poor diets, poor sleep, and weakened immune systems.

14M people work in food service in the U.S. they're in every community. Everyone has to eat.

they live and work in conditions that make the spread of disease inevitable.

They won't go to the doctor until it's a crisis, long after they have passed it on to others.

the flu is bad enough going around a kitchen.

Co-19 is substanitally more easily transmitted than the flu.

and we've created a situation where food service workers' SURVIVAl depends on doing THE EXACT OPPOSITE of anything that could fight a pandemic.

and these are the people making your food.

the average food service worker is a millenial. 62% of us live paycheck to paycheck.

and it doesn't have to be like this.

In our parents' lifetimes, it wasn't.

God Bless the Conservative movement and their deregulation, pro-business regulation and "choice".

Poverty is a public health crisis, y'all Wage slavery kills.

And if you can't be bothered to care about that out of your basic human dignity, maybe the fact that the servile class you've been supported by can't afford to not make you sick will fucking help.

Eat the rich. /end

--as seen on the internet, a pizza place manager of 9 years.

[RandomGuy]

Yes, it is.

"A clearer way of looking at death numbers, also courtesy of the excellent Our World in Data, is the daily trend of deaths per million. Here you get a good sense of the trajectories. All of the countries listed below, except Sweden, have full national lockdowns. And yet Sweden is roughly in the middle of the pack. This is quite remarkable in itself, when set against the dominant narrative that lockdowns are the only thing capable of ‘flattening’ these curves and preventing tragedies that are many times worse."

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-daily-deaths-trajectory-per-million?country=BEL+DNK+ITA+NOR+SWE+GBR


Jury still out on Swedish coronavirus strategy

[Chad.]

Here's the thing, letting young people get back to work won't save the economy or even boost it in any meaningful way. A huge portion of the workforce is over 40, and people over 40 in the US aren't in the best of shape. So I'm unsure of what "letting the young and healthy" getting back to work is supposed to achieve? Most of them are probably already working, either in essential grocery, fast food, healthcare jobs, or can work from home, since younger people tend to have jobs in tech. Young people also feature heavily in food service jobs, but even if "we opened up," that sector isn't going to do anywhere near pre-Covid business since no one will be comfortable crowding restaurants, bars and cafes for awhile.

The path to a wholesale getting back to work is test, test, test and knowing the particulars of this virus down to its last atom. If we find out it has a mortality and hospitalization rate around flu levels and if it's confirmed immunity is guaranteed after getting it, then we can confidently apply a set of strategies to reopen commerce. People with immunity can get back to work and the typical consumer activity of shopping, eating at restaurants, going to bars, theaters, etc. If we find out the virus is no more dangerous than the flu, then people will be comfortable in those crowded social settings. But we don't know much right now.

idk about restaurants but bars are going to be flooded once this is over. Everybody was told to stay in right as the Winter Cabin Fever died down and the Spring sunshine finally came out. I think the "settled down" middle class family will probably take it easy for a bit, but I guarantee you the younger, single crowd is bouncing off the walls in big cities atleast

[RandomGuy]

Abbott to start rolling back restrictions on businesses.

That is what he is saying he wants. Not sure even he is that stupid.

[RandomGuy]

And Boris Johnson had TWO highly qualified nurses standing over him taking his vitals for 48 hrs straight.
He said they saved his life. Smoking fat guy lives.
Their are people at the Harlem hospital on gurney's waiting in the halls to get seen.
Its ridiculous how the health game gets treated.

The proportion of minorities dying from this thing is a real testament to our health and wealth inequality.
Its shameful. And its not all Trump's fault, but he certainly did not make things better.

Sums it up.

Greed kills. Libertarians like to pretend they will own the boot on their neck someday.

[TimDunkem]

idk about restaurants but bars are going to be flooded once this is over. Everybody was told to stay in right as the Winter Cabin Fever died down and the Spring sunshine finally came out. I think the "settled down" middle class family will probably take it easy for a bit, but I guarantee you the younger, single crowd is bouncing off the walls in big cities atleast

They are. I am although I know better. I can't say the same thing about the rest of my peers though. They're looking for any excuse to get out of the house. Just give them a date.

[TSA]

Data does not support that. Every place that has locked down has seen a very predictable flattening of the curve, with places that haven't seen the trend upwards.

Not even really a debate.

If the jury is still out on Swedish coronavirus strategy that means it is still up for debate.

[TimDunkem]

Sweden has lost 114 people so far today.

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1250148445454848002

Doesn't have to be human made to escape out of the lab.Well, if you're going to insist the virus came from the Wuhan lab then you have do acknowledge Trump completely ignored the explicit warning about it from his own state department.


U.S. officials warned in January 2018 that the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s work on “SARS-like coronaviruses in bats,” combined with “a serious shortage” of proper safety procedures, could result in human transmission and the possibility of a “future emerging coronavirus outbreak.”

https://news.yahoo.com/u-diplomats-warned-safety-risks-132556558.html

You sure you want to throw Trump under the bus like that?

[Chad.]

The flu generally does not leave permanent scarring on the lungs. That would seem to imply it is vastly worse, because even those that technically survive the first round, could die decades earlier from the lasting complications.

That is the part that scares ME.

What articles have you read that states this? This topic seems murky, but I've heard this claim a few times. The only thing I've really gathered on my own digging is that many who die from COVID-19 develop Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) which is known to damage the air sacs in the lungs. However, that's from those who die. It's rare to find that in patients that survived. Also, how can anybody determine that this can cause "permanent scarring" considering nobody outside of China knew about this disease until four months ago? Just think it's hard to make a claim about "permanent" damage on such a novel disease

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Even if it's true, which I won't believe until nonconspiracy sources cover it, it doesn't mitigate Trump's failure at all. Sorry.

If you were to catch you’re hypothetical wife getting plowed by another man, you seem like the type to blame yourself and immediately assist in fluffing the bull, imo

[ChumpDumper]

If you were to catch you’re hypothetical wife getting plowed by another man, you seem like the type to blame yourself and immediately assist in fluffing the bull, imoYou seem like the type of poster who would login to a different screen name just to attempt a nonsensical personal insult because you'd be embarrassed if others knew it was you.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1250136937060610048?s=19

:lol

[Chris]

You seem like the type of poster who would login to a different screen name just to attempt a nonsensical personal insult because you'd be embarrassed if others knew it was you.

^that projection thingy

[ChumpDumper]

^that projection thingyNah, I'll insult you using this screen name.

And it will make sesne.

[hater]

Yes, it is.

"A clearer way of looking at death numbers, also courtesy of the excellent Our World in Data, is the daily trend of deaths per million. Here you get a good sense of the trajectories. All of the countries listed below, except Sweden, have full national lockdowns. And yet Sweden is roughly in the middle of the pack. This is quite remarkable in itself, when set against the dominant narrative that lockdowns are the only thing capable of ‘flattening’ these curves and preventing tragedies that are many times worse."

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-daily-deaths-trajectory-per-million?country=BEL+DNK+ITA+NOR+SWE+GBR

swedens population lives very distanced already and over 50% of them work from home

the fact that they had over 100 deaths today is a complete tragedy in itself

I would not use sweden as an example ever againt tbqh

[boutons_deux]

Here’s why the South could see the largest share of coronavirus misery

“The ideological distaste for the Affordable Care Act by many of the South’s political leaders and the Trump administration, has put them at a significant disadvantage to respond to this crisis,”

“People in the South don’t just need Medicaid to cover coronavirus treatment, they need it to deal with high rates of chronic disease and to keep rural hospitals afloat. The coronavirus crisis is going to subside, but the economic crisis will be around for a while.”

With the exception of New Orleans, most of the Deep South seemed to be spared initially.

in late February, two funerals in a small Georgia city 200 miles south of Atlanta set off a chain reaction (https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional/city-under-seige-coronavirus-exacts-heavy-toll-albany/xC9NO677gfDQSaGEQDXSAN/) that quickly overwhelmed local hospitals with COVID-19 patients.

Now similar hotspots are being detected throughout the South. And the virus is seeping into rural communities where many local hospitals are ill-prepared to treat more than a handful of patients at a time.

some governors waited weeks to shut down businesses.

And in many Southern states, restrictions on businesses are looser than in other parts of the country and

messages to the public are reportedly unclear.

Ivey, the Alabama governor, waited until April 4 (https://www.al.com/news/2020/04/gov-kay-ivey-to-give-update-on-coronavirus-response.html) to shut down certain businesses and order residents to stay at home.

In Georgia, Republican Gov. Brian Kemp issued a limited stay-at-home order April 2, and

the next day his administration told local officials who had closed their beaches to reopen them.

In Arkansas, Republican Gov. Asa Hutchinson is still refusing (https://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/130756/arkansas-governor-says-no-stay-at-home-orders-for-cities) to issue a stay-at-home order.

In the District of Columbia (https://mayor.dc.gov/release/coronavirus-data-april-6-2020), black residents make up 45% of the population and nearly 60% of coronavirus deaths.

In Louisiana (http://ldh.la.gov/Coronavirus/), African Americans are 32% of the population and more than 70% of coronavirus deaths, as of April 6.

Nationwide, African Americans have higher rates of obesity, heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, asthma and other chronic diseases compared to the rest of the population.

in the South are long-standing policies that prevent many African Americans from getting access to health care.

“In Alabama, poverty and poor health are a legacy of decades of racist public policies that have excluded people of color from health care,”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/heres-why-the-south-could-see-the-largest-share-of-coronavirus-misery/

The South is still paying for it sins of slavery, rebellion, and hate of Federal govt.

[Blake]

"For the sake of debate, so the President cannot "re-open" states, but it is entirely his fault that he didn’t perform each individual governor’s job of shutting them down, that’s the logic we’re going with this week."
- D. Loesch

Why does the line "oh but it's entirely his fault huh" always pop up in these retarded shield attempts?

[hater]

sweden has 250 deaths a day on an average year

the fact that it has now over 100 extra deaths should be signal enough for retards to stop using sweden as an example for anything besides failure tbqh

[RandomGuy]

What articles have you read that states this? This topic seems murky, but I've heard this claim a few times. The only thing I've really gathered on my own digging is that many who die from COVID-19 develop Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) which is known to damage the air sacs in the lungs. However, that's from those who die. It's rare to find that in patients that survived. Also, how can anybody determine that this can cause "permanent scarring" considering nobody outside of China knew about this disease until four months ago? Just think it's hard to make a claim about "permanent" damage on such a novel disease

COVID-19: Recovered patients have partially reduced lung function
Chinese researchers have found fluid- or debris-filled sacs in the lungs of those who were infected by COVID-19. Scans suggest sustained organ damage
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-19-recovered-patients-have-partially-reduced-lung-function/a-52859671

Threat of long-term damage looms after patients recover from coronavirus, experts say
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241953691.html

What Recovery From COVID-19 Looks Like
Outcomes vary greatly depending on age and other factors, a pulmonologist explains
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-recovery-from-covid-19-looks-like/



Q: What will a patient look like at the end of those two weeks?

That depends. If we’re able to do everything right, these people are up and walking around with the ventilator. Those patients come out on the other end looking pretty good. Maybe they’ll have some weakness, some weight loss, a little PTSD.

The patients who are sicker and more intolerant of the technology, they tend to come out weak, forgetful, confused, deconditioned, maybe not even able to get out of bed. Sometimes, in spite of our best efforts, they’ll have skin wounds.

Some of these patients have significant lung fibrosis ― scarring of the lungs and reduced lung function. This might be a short-term part of their recovery or it could be long-term.

[ChumpDumper]

sweden has 250 deaths a day on an average year

the fact that it has now over 100 extra deaths should be signal enough for retards to stop using sweden as an example for anything besides failure tbqhThe only way Sweden could prove its strategy is working is through extensive testing. Currently their testing is in the dogshit category behind even the US.

[TSA]

sweden has 250 deaths a day on an average year

the fact that it has now over 100 extra deaths should be signal enough for retards to stop using sweden as an example for anything besides failure tbqh

We won’t know it’s a failure until the virus runs its course. There is valid concern other places in full lockdown won’t build immunity and will immediately spike once the lock down is lifted.

[boutons_deux]

COVID-19: Recovered patients have partially reduced lung function
Chinese researchers have found fluid- or debris-filled sacs in the lungs of those who were infected by COVID-19. Scans suggest sustained organ damage
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-19-recovered-patients-have-partially-reduced-lung-function/a-52859671

Threat of long-term damage looms after patients recover from coronavirus, experts say
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241953691.html

What Recovery From COVID-19 Looks Like
Outcomes vary greatly depending on age and other factors, a pulmonologist explains
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-recovery-from-covid-19-looks-like/

survivors coming off days on a ventilator are probably the worst. One guy said he had to put a stool in the shower because his lungs wouldn't support him standing up. Walking around the house took his breath away. And the intubation damaged his vocal cords.

Such people will be on disability for life, breathing out of an oxygen concentrator, a ward of the state since for-profit insurance will cap coverage, and probably losing years of life.

But, fuck it, let's Resurrect American economy, open up everything, Labor's gotta take all the risks and keep working shit jobs so the risk-averse bosses and investors can skim off all the Capital

[Spurs Homer]

Lololololol


pizzagate. ^

[TimDunkem]

Lots of death today, sadly. 2,200 dead.

[hater]

We won’t know it’s a failure until the virus runs its course. There is valid concern other places in full lockdown won’t build immunity and will immediately spike once the lock down is lifted.

agree but so far does not bode well

I would say Australia and Norway are examples to be impressed on

incredible healthcare systems and great timing/execution of shutdowns

there is a documentary on Amazon Prime on Australia getting ready for a pandemic. they were ready. we were not

but yeah the story still being written

[Chad.]

COVID-19: Recovered patients have partially reduced lung function
Chinese researchers have found fluid- or debris-filled sacs in the lungs of those who were infected by COVID-19. Scans suggest sustained organ damage
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-19-recovered-patients-have-partially-reduced-lung-function/a-52859671

Threat of long-term damage looms after patients recover from coronavirus, experts say
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article241953691.html

What Recovery From COVID-19 Looks Like
Outcomes vary greatly depending on age and other factors, a pulmonologist explains
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-recovery-from-covid-19-looks-like/

Actually that miamiherald.com article was one of the ones I read earlier. It says only 9 out of the 137 survivors developed ARDS, so thankfully not too common but not a statistic to be completely ignored. I'm curious how that compares to similar illnesses like the flu, pneumonia, bronchitis, etc. because many illnesses carry a small chance of complications as we know some are so rare that we pretty much dismiss it unless we have a pre-existing condition. Idk how these COVID-19 rates compare though. Hopefully they're able to test some of these patients down the road in six months to a year's time to see if there's still any lingering after effects

I just try to be naturally weary of the media fear-mongering, only so much mainstream TV I can watch cause they're always peddling fear. I saw an article the other day that said "The coronavirus might be airborne HIV" but then when reading the article in depth it just said it's similar because it temporarily weakens the immune system :lol gmafb :rolleyes

[Reck]

1250119642598776832

LOL

Even if true, there's no way people will adhere to this. I wouldn't. I would rather die than to stay at home a prisoner for 2 years.

[midnightpulp]

Except it is.

As in having a debate? Sure, but if you're going to apply the Sweden strategy, it has to be very region specific and not a broad implementation. A despite all the handwaves and selective interpretation of the data, Sweden is not succeeding. I saw this graph. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-daily-deaths-trajectory-per-million?time=2020-03-03..2020-04-14&country=BEL+DNK+ITA+NOR+SWE+GBR you posted.

So Sweden is doing marginally better than the hardest hit regions in Europe, one of which did try the non-lockdown strategy (UK) early on. That isn't a "success." Also, Sweden's bending is skewed by the rendering the graph as a rolling 7 day average. 7 day averages are great for showing trends, but in Sweden's case it's a "cheat" because they had 3 straight days of averaging 15 deaths per day after a 5 day period of averaging about 80. A decline like that just doesn't make sense given the trends in every other country, so it stands to reason Sweden's 3 day "success" period was probably due to lax reporting. Now they're back over 100 again. And there will be more to come as they just had their peak number of daily cases less than a week ago.

Compare California to Sweden. California has 5x the population density, 4x as many people, bigger cities, more international travel to and from, and their deaths per million is 19 vs. Sweden's 102. There's just many more cons than pros with the Sweden strategy.

[ChumpDumper]

1250119642598776832

LOL

Even if true, there's no way people will adhere to this. I wouldn't. I would rather die than to stay at home a prisoner for 2 years.The authors don’t endorse a particular path forward

Thanks, assholes.

[TSA]

As in having a debate? Sure, but if you're going to apply the Sweden strategy, it has to be very region specific and not a broad implementation. A despite all the handwaves and selective interpretation of the data, Sweden is not succeeding. I saw this graph. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-daily-deaths-trajectory-per-million?time=2020-03-03..2020-04-14&country=BEL+DNK+ITA+NOR+SWE+GBR you posted.

So Sweden is doing marginally better than the hardest hit regions in Europe, one of which did try the non-lockdown strategy (UK) early on. That isn't a "success." Also, Sweden's bending is skewed by the rendering the graph as a rolling 7 day average. 7 day averages are great for showing trends, but in Sweden's case it's a "cheat" because they had 3 straight days of averaging 15 deaths per day after a 5 day period of averaging about 80. A decline like that just doesn't make sense given the trends in every other country, so it stands to reason Sweden's 3 day "success" period was probably due to lax reporting. Now they're back over 100 again. And there will be more to come as they just had their peak number of daily cases less than a week ago.

Compare California to Sweden. California has 5x the population density, 4x as many people, bigger cities, more international travel to and from, and their deaths per million is 19 vs. Sweden's 102. There's just many more cons than pros with the Sweden strategy.

Yes, as in having a debate. RandomGuy stated there is nothing really to debate. We won’t know Sweden took the wrong approach until the virus runs its course. They may be paying a higher price in the short term and we’ll have to see if their approach was correct in the long term.

I pulled that graph from this article. Found it to be a good read.

https://unherd.com/2020/04/jury-still-out-on-swedish-coronavirus-strategy/

[midnightpulp]

We won’t know it’s a failure until the virus runs its course. There is valid concern other places in full lockdown won’t build immunity and will immediately spike once the lock down is lifted.

Going for herd immunity isn't wise until we have a proven and effective anti-viral treatment. As far as we know right now, this thing hits harder than the flu. During the 2018-19 flu season, there were 18K hospitalizations due to flu in NY over a 6 month period. New York already had 42K Covid-19 hospitalizations. This is where someone might bring up the from/with argument, and that the stats are skewed because of this. But this is dumb. Hypertension, diabetes, COPD, etc are livable conditions that rarely turn into an acute life threatening situation just like that. Covid is exacerbating those conditions to life threatening. Also, the from/with distinction is applied to the flu. It also turns those illness into severe situations that require hospitalization.

It would also take a decade to build up herd immunity in a place like the US, with its spread out population (this is also why I never believed the 2.2 million dead scenarios in a year or whatever. This virus moves fast, but you have to constantly be meeting and infecting new people. Most people basically stay in their social and family circles much of the time) The marginal herd immunity we have for the flu happened over decades. Best COA is to minimize deaths until we have a proven anti-viral and vaccine.

[apalisoc_9]

1250119642598776832

LOL

Even if true, there's no way people will adhere to this. I wouldn't. I would rather die than to stay at home a prisoner for 2 years.

Relax.

No one is saying to quarantine yourself for 2 years.

What we won't have for two years will likely be mass congregations. Plus a general 6 feet away from each other rule will probably in place for a long time.

None of that means we can't go back to work and do stuff.

Again, the long term solution will likely be similiar to the first restrictions implemented in most countries...

- No congregation of 100
- Social distancing
- Wash hands etc.

I believe we all still could implement these more lenient rules with everything opening up. We have to open up at some point because to my knowledge even certain non emergency medical services like elective surgery and diagnostic testing are not available at this point. These can open up.

Maybe people would have to find new hobbies and ways to enjoy their time. Instead of congregating in bars, they can go fishing or something.

[baseline bum]

Lots of death today, sadly. 2,200 dead.

So much for Easter being the peak. Of course the real peaks will come next month after the brilliant team of Trump and Larry Kudlow assure us everything will be fine when the country reopens.

[Reck]

Relax.

No one is saying to quarantine yourself for 2 years.

What we won't have for two years will likely be mass congregations. Plus a general 6 feet away from each other rule will probably in place for a long time.

None of that means we can't go back to work and do stuff.

Again, the long term solution will likely be similiar to the first restrictions implemented in most countries...

- No congregation of 100
- Social distancing
- Wash hands etc.

I believe we all still could implement these more lenient rules with everything opening up. We have to open up at some point because to my knowledge even certain non emergency medical services like elective surgery and diagnostic testing are not available at this point. These can open up.

Maybe people would have to find new hobbies and ways to enjoy their time. Instead of congregating in bars, they can go fishing or something.

None of that is practical. lol

When people go back to work, millions of people will cross paths on a hourly basis. Or do you think people will just take turns getting to work in batches? :lol

If businesses dont start opening within 3 to 4 months, this country will be worth less than a penny.

[midnightpulp]

Yes, as in having a debate. RandomGuy stated there is nothing really to debate. We won’t know Sweden took the wrong approach until the virus runs its course. They may be paying a higher price in the short term and we’ll have to see if their approach was correct in the long term.

I pulled that graph from this article. Found it to be a good read.

https://unherd.com/2020/04/jury-still-out-on-swedish-coronavirus-strategy/

But Sweden has some things in its favor that we don't (at a country scale) in order to employ the herd immunity strategy. 33x less the population (if it takes Sweden a year to achieve herd immunity, it could take us a decade), 50 percent of their population already work from home, more single person households, only 1 city with over a million people. Trying to do herd immunity in the US would likely have us paying both the short term and long term prices. We just have too many people to achieve it over a year and a half until the vaccine hopefully arrives. We might be able to do it region specific. I see no reasons why places like Utah and rural areas can't carefully try the strategy. But New York, Chicago, LA, Houston, etc shouldn't be declared "open for business" anytime soon. The big cities might have to do like Singapore and alternate being relaxed and strict as the new case count dictates.

[apalisoc_9]

Going for herd immunity isn't wise until we have a proven and effective anti-viral treatment. As far as we know right now, this thing hits harder than the flu. During the 2018-19 flu season, there were 18K hospitalizations due to flu in NY over a 6 month period. New York already had 42K Covid-19 hospitalizations. This is where someone might bring up the from/with argument, and that the stats are skewed because of this. But this is dumb. Hypertension, diabetes, COPD, etc are livable conditions that rarely turn into an acute life threatening situation just like that. Covid is exacerbating those conditions to life threatening. Also, the from/with distinction is applied to the flu. It also turns those illness into severe situations that require hospitalization.

It would also take a decade to build up herd immunity in a place like the US, with its spread out population (this is also why I never believed the 2.2 million dead scenarios in a year or whatever. This virus moves fast, but you have to constantly be meeting and infecting new people. Most people basically stay in their social and family circles much of the time) The marginal herd immunity we have for the flu happened over decades. Best COA is to minimize deaths until we have a proven anti-viral and vaccine.

A much larger medical workforce/ better medical system can allow for a less aggressive herd immunity strategy. I'm actually curious if there is any potential at all for current students who are a year or two away from graduating to be fast tracked into the workforce. I'm unsure of the numbers, but certain Asian countries have implemented a somewhat similiar strategy.

A reliable anti-viral drug would take a year minimum and that would be a drug without reliable safety literature. Who would want to take that? We're already seeing studies and reports of Trumps favorite drug causing massive side effects and in many cases deaths.

In any case moving forward, countries should really start investing more on their medical personnel. Perhaps offer subsidiy for students taking nursing?

[apalisoc_9]

None of that is practical. lol

When people go back to work, millions of people will cross paths on a hourly basis. Or do you think people will just take turns getting to work in batches? :lol

If businesses dont start opening within 3 to 4 months, this country will be worth less than a penny.

It was implemented the first month in most countries when business were still open. I can't see why it's not implemented for an additional 5-6 months.

It's impossible to think of practicallity with a pandemic around the corner. We need to make sacrificies.

[Winehole23]

Lots of death today, sadly. 2,200 dead.Did Trump acknowledge the deaths? Did he offer empathy to the bereaved or encouragement to the rest of us?

No.

He rants and raves, blames others and shits his pants daily like he isn't the most powerful public official in the world.

[apalisoc_9]

Did Trump acknowledge the deaths? Did he offer empathy to the bereaved or encouragement to the rest of us?

No.

He rants and raves, blames others and shits his pants daily like he isn't the most powerful public official in the world.

Please...If not for trumps efforts we would be at double the death count.

















Lol.

[Reck]

So much for Easter being the peak. Of course the real peaks will come next month after the brilliant team of Trump and Larry Kudlow assure us everything will be fine when the country reopens.

No one believed that. When the Trumpsters said that most of the states haven't even started getting hit yet.

We've been in a plateau state here for almost a week now. Lots of people still dying. Less cases, about same deaths every day.

[apalisoc_9]

No one believed that. When the Trumpsters said that most of the states haven't even started getting hit yet.

We've been in a plateau state here for almost a week now. Lots of people still dying. Less cases, about same deaths every day.

I think transmission was widespread already back when trump and his cheerleaders were calling it a hoax.

Just no widspread testing

[baseline bum]

I think transmission was widespread already back when trump and his cheerleaders were calling it a hoax.


I mean that's pretty obvious from the growth in New York and New Orleans. Surprised we haven't gotten hammered yet from all the fuckheads at South Padre.

[slick'81]

Soo any good news for anyone in the us? Guess not. This isnt looking good at all

[Reck]

Does this faggot think he's not burning people out with these 3 hour pressers every day?

They're hurting him more than helping. Thanks?

[TimDunkem]

I mean that's pretty obvious from the growth in New York and New Orleans. Surprised we haven't gotten hammered yet from all the fuckheads at South Padre.

Seems this illness takes awhile from known infection to death in some cases. We might see some of those deaths next month.

[slick'81]

Does this faggot think he's not burning people out with these 3 hour pressers every day?

They're hurting him more than helping. Thanks?


Hes lost and in over his head. He is literally melting down in front of our eyes, but he gets off on it because of the POWER

[TimDunkem]

Trump threatening to storm off like a little whiney bitch because he can't handle simple questions. :lol

[Winehole23]

The only plausible suggestion I've heard is not that Trump can overrule business closings and shelter in place orders -- he can't -- but that the US Code gives him power to quarantine a whole state.

If that's true, and if Trump actually did it, he could literally starve the states targeted. In that instance he could make the lifting of the quarantine conditional upon states and municipalities reopening for business and lifting shelter in place orders.

1250197850740469762

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/specificlawsregulations.html

[Winehole23]

Sounds like we might be getting close to a "bow to Zod" moment.

[slick'81]

I mean that's pretty obvious from the growth in New York and New Orleans. Surprised we haven't gotten hammered yet from all the fuckheads at South Padre.


We will . Maybe not ny bad, but we will

[slick'81]

Trump- " i think its going to be a very beautiful process" :jack

[Chris]

pcozOICMy9c

[hater]

None of that is practical. lol

When people go back to work, millions of people will cross paths on a hourly basis. Or do you think people will just take turns getting to work in batches? :lol

If businesses dont start opening within 3 to 4 months, this country will be worth less than a penny.

read the science

if you keep a 6 foot distance w strangers, everyone wears mask and wash hands and dont touch face, you will most likely not get infected.

chinese do it now

why cant we?

sure kids will be a problem but teres nothing we can do about that.

rapid tests, temperature sensors at all cafes, retaurants, clubs

and all will be working through social mobile apps

if someone that visited your favorite restaurant is infected everyone will know the date place and time

you will know the exact temperature of the cook that cooked your food and the server who served it(if we get that far)

its a new world ma nig. better embrace it and you will be ahead of the pack otherwise you will get left behind

[hater]

its time for americans to realize life will not be back to normal for a minimum 18 months

face it accept it and make plans to enjoy it best you can

[apalisoc_9]

its time for americans to realize life will not be back to normal for a minimum 18 months

face it accept it and make plans to enjoy it best you can

I'm just hoping they open up non emergency medical services here in canada. I wanna have kids soon with fiance, inshallah. :lol...So ultrasound, blood testing etc.

Just close all bars and clubs honestly.

American gonna have to find new hobbies.

Fishing, hiking are all nice tbh. Hope they open these activities

[slick'81]

its time for americans to realize life will not be back to normal for a minimum 18 months

face it accept it and make plans to enjoy it best you can


Americans are in for one rude wakeup call

[baseline bum]

read the science

if you keep a 6 foot distance w strangers, everyone wears mask and wash hands and dont touch face, you will most likely not get infected.

chinese do it now

why cant we?

sure kids will be a problem but teres nothing we can do about that.

rapid tests, temperature sensors at all cafes, retaurants, clubs

and all will be working through social mobile apps

if someone that visited your favorite restaurant is infected everyone will know the date place and time

you will know the exact temperature of the cook that cooked your food and the server who served it(if we get that far)

its a new world ma nig. better embrace it and you will be ahead of the pack otherwise you will get left behind

Man six feet ain't shit when this has been shown to infect people from airborne droplets. And China is lying like hell about how much it was infected from the Wuhan virus.

[Thread]

its time for americans to realize life will not be back to normal for a minimum 18 months

face it accept it and make plans to enjoy it best you can

Once I can't die easily & I get my 2400 clammys I'll be like a pig in shit. I'm gonna Russell Stover my ass off.

[Thread]

Americans are in for one rude wakeup call

We'd already been woke by 25k regular flu deaths and went right back to sleep.

[ChumpDumper]

We'd already been woke by 25k regular flu deaths and went right back to sleep.So Trump killed 50k.

[hater]

Man six feet ain't shit when this has been shown to infect people from airborne droplets. And China is lying like hell about how much it was infected from the Wuhan virus.

many science labs have confirmed 6 feet (2 meters) is sufficient to avoid droplets

i posted links here last one from german lab

[Thread]

Sounds like we might be getting close to a "bow to Zod" moment.

Now, that is sweet, Winester.

The old Winester hittin' it.

[Thread]

So Trump killed 50k.

Less than Obama's body count.

[ChumpDumper]

Less than Obama's body count.Not according to you.

[midnightpulp]

Americans are in for one rude wakeup call

It's because the majority of modern day Americans have never been called to any sort of collective action toward defeating an enemy, whether that enemy be viral, economic (the '08 financial crisis was hang-nail vs. the shotgun wound of the Great depression), or an enemy abroad. Most Americans are fuckin' babies who can't handle that the fat and happy life has to be on hold for a year. So at this point, they take to twitter activism and start posting Don't Tread on Me pictures and talking about "Big Brother."

I'm seeing a lot of this shit on wingnut twitter, crying about how it's the end of freedom in America and caterwauling about how our forefathers would be so disappointed in us ceding our rights to the government. Um, your fuckin' forefathers did CEDE SOME OF THEIR RIGHTS to the government when a common enemy needed to be fought. Let's start with World War I.


The Draft in World War 1. When our nation got involved in the First World War, we quickly realized that relying chiefly on voluntary enlistment wouldn’t cut it. We needed to raise more manpower in order to have enough men to fight. In reaction to this need, President Woodrow Wilson and Congress passed the Selective Service Act in 1917.

^Now I'm completely against that draft, since I don't think any foreign power during World War I was a threat to the US. World War I was mainly a European problem, but it illustrates how the government has suspended "freedom" in order to "force" people to act against a common threat, whether real or perceived.

Let's look at the Spanish Flu of 1918. Restaurants, churches, theaters were closed up for a year, and in many cities it was illegal to go outside without a mask.

World War II. Americans were forced to fight against a common enemy that was certainly a threat to the entire world. So in this instance, we could argue it was justified to "force people to fight." I'll still never be comfortable with the idea of a draft, but I can see the argument.

The Red Scare in post-War America. An untold amount of Americans had their reputations and livelihoods destroyed for merely being suspected as communist sympathizers. This Red Scare mentality led to Americans being drafted in the Korean and Vietnam wars to prevent the domino theory from happening.

Since these events, Americans haven't been "forced" to do anything, which is why the Vietnam generation is the last generation to have been forced into collective action against a real or perceived threat. Gen-X and younger have basically lived the "fat and happy" life their entire lives and now can't handle the prospect of suspending some "liberty" for safety in the short term, as pretty much all American generations have done at one time or another.

And are we asked to go abroad and fight in a war? No. We're basically asked to sit on asses for awhile (and it might not even be a year). And we're too spoiled to even do that.

[baseline bum]

many science labs have confirmed 6 feet (2 meters) is sufficient to avoid droplets

i posted links here last one from german lab

It wasn't for that choir in Washington where lots of people got COVID-19 from airborne spread.

[Nathan89]

Man six feet ain't shit when this has been shown to infect people from airborne droplets. And China is lying like hell about how much it was infected from the Wuhan virus.

The six feet in combination with a mask is probably effective though.

[ChumpDumper]

It wasn't for that choir in Washington where lots of people got COVID-19 from airborne spread.Yeah, though maskless choir singing seems like it would be a fine droplet cannon.

[RandomGuy]

Sounds like we might be getting close to a "bow to Zod" moment.

Der Trumpenfuehrer has "absolute authority". You will rezpekt zat.

/sarcasm

Yet another case where if Obama had actually said that.. they would shit themselves. But now they have to defend it.

It is would be hilarious if it were in a movie. It is not, and it is not.

[baseline bum]

The six feet in combination with a mask is probably effective though.

The mask is only really useful to collect your droplets so you don't unknowingly infect people as an asymptomatic carrier. It's not much protection against other peoples' droplets unless you have an N95. And I still see so many people out without masks. It pisses me off so much because I'm wearing one to protect them every time I go out and I should be afforded the same courtesy. I hate wearing them because they're hot and they fog up my glasses but I don't want people getting sick from me when I could be an asymptomatic carrier and not know it.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, though maskless choir singing seems like it would be a fine droplet cannon.

Going to the store is one too though. I was at Walgreens last week to buy some toilet paper and some maskless 65 year old fuck decided he was going to have a conversation with the clerk 30 feet away right as I was walking by him. I was so pissed I wanted to tell to shut his mouth when I'm walking by but figured I'd get one of those angry boomer yelling rants full of droplets if I did say anything.

[apalisoc_9]

Going to the store is one too though. I was at Walgreens last week to buy some toilet paper and some maskless 65 year old fuck decided he was going to have a conversation with the clerk 30 feet away right as I was walking by him. I was so pissed I wanted to tell to shut his mouth when I'm walking by but figured I'd get one of those angry boomer yelling rants full of droplets if I did say anything.

:lol

Their breath smells like shit too

[RandomGuy]

Yes, as in having a debate. RandomGuy stated there is nothing really to debate. We won’t know Sweden took the wrong approach until the virus runs its course. They may be paying a higher price in the short term and we’ll have to see if their approach was correct in the long term.

I pulled that graph from this article. Found it to be a good read.

https://unherd.com/2020/04/jury-still-out-on-swedish-coronavirus-strategy/

There really isn't a debate. We might have one if Sweden comes up Millhouse, but there is a pretty solid consensus of experts at the moment. One executive editor of a website you like notwithstanding.

Feel free to find some better expert, and show how they are discussing it.

A good debate between experts, like this:

Leaked emails show top public health experts raised alarm about the Trump administration's botched coronavirus response


As the coronavirus outbreak worsened, a number of public health experts both within and outside of the federal government sounded the alarm about the severity of the crisis.
Nearly 80 pages of the emails were obtained via public records requests and published in full by The New York Times.


"how badly did Trump bunglefuck" is a debate.

This is a consensus open to new evidence from Sweden if it emerges.

[hater]

It wasn't for that choir in Washington where lots of people got COVID-19 from airborne spread.

choir ppl stand way closer than 6 feet or am I missing something?

[Winehole23]

Vice: How to vote by mail in all 50 states

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xgqjbj/how-to-vote-by-mail-in-all-50-states

[Nathan89]

People don't trust the idiots in charge and rightfully so. The morons are over here preventing people from purchasing seeds to plant food during a pandemic. They block urgent stimulus because they want to shove their agenda on Americans. You have cops chasing people for jogging on the beach and arresting others for paddle boarding. Yeah, there is no reason to trust these people. And given the political divide there is no reason to trust your fellow American because they like the politicians will take this opportunity to springboard their agenda. This isn't yesteryear America. We have no community and we have no trust.

[ChumpDumper]

Going to the store is one too though. I was at Walgreens last week to buy some toilet paper and some maskless 65 year old fuck decided he was going to have a conversation with the clerk 30 feet away right as I was walking by him. I was so pissed I wanted to tell to shut his mouth when I'm walking by but figured I'd get one of those angry boomer yelling rants full of droplets if I did say anything.Yeah, I only go to the 24 hour CVS in the dead of night and other stores right when they open. Not worth standing in line outside/in HEB where couples+ are still going to walk by you without masks yakking away. I hope the mask ordinance gets enforced but I'm hunkered down this week and won't notice.

[baseline bum]

choir ppl stand way closer than 6 feet or am I missing something?

I think they claimed they were all six feet apart at that choir practice.

[Joseph Kony]

i thought republicans were supposed to be for small government and individual states' rights? :lmao must be exhausting doing all those mental gymnastics to justify blind leadership to dear leader tbh

[ChumpDumper]

People don't trust the idiots in charge and rightfully so. The morons are over here preventing people from purchasing seeds to plant food during a pandemic. They block urgent stimulus because they want to shove their agenda on Americans. You have cops chasing people for jogging on the beach and arresting others for paddle boarding. Yeah, there is no reason to trust these people. And given the political divide there is no reason to trust your fellow American because they like the politicians will take this opportunity to springboard their agenda. This isn't yesteryear America. We have no community and we have no trust.You trust Trump.

[RandomGuy]

But Sweden has some things in its favor that we don't (at a country scale) in order to employ the herd immunity strategy. 33x less the population (if it takes Sweden a year to achieve herd immunity, it could take us a decade), 50 percent of their population already work from home, more single person households, only 1 city with over a million people. Trying to do herd immunity in the US would likely have us paying both the short term and long term prices. We just have too many people to achieve it over a year and a half until the vaccine hopefully arrives. We might be able to do it region specific. I see no reasons why places like Utah and rural areas can't carefully try the strategy. But New York, Chicago, LA, Houston, etc shouldn't be declared "open for business" anytime soon. The big cities might have to do like Singapore and alternate being relaxed and strict as the new case count dictates.

Sweden also has a pretty generous social safety net.

Paid time off, universal health insurance etc.

Not like the third world shit hole we are suddenly realizing we live in, complete with idiocracy.

[ChumpDumper]

choir ppl stand way closer than 6 feet or am I missing something?They were following all the guidelines in effect at the time including 6-feet and no handshakes. Probably the only way to mitigate the small droplet cannon effect would've been to do it outside.

[Nathan89]

The mask is only really useful to collect your droplets so you don't unknowingly infect people as an asymptomatic carrier. It's not much protection against other peoples' droplets unless you have an N95. And I still see so many people out without masks. It pisses me off so much because I'm wearing one to protect them every time I go out and I should be afforded the same courtesy. I hate wearing them because they're hot and they fog up my glasses but I don't want people getting sick from me when I could be an asymptomatic carrier and not know it.

Yeah, I'm aware. Mass usage of masks is implied. And I also see too many damn people without masks. I was just at USPS and the employee didn't even have a damn mask. She comes in contact with loads of people everyday.

[Trill Clinton]

Anyone have a link to today's presser? I heard it was a knee slapper.

[RandomGuy]

Vice: How to vote by mail in all 50 states

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xgqjbj/how-to-vote-by-mail-in-all-50-states

Which Republicans will fight tooth and nail. They fucking know if more people vote they are out on their asses.

[ChumpDumper]

Which Republicans will fight tooth and nail. They fucking know if more people vote they are out on their asses.Well they fight against it for some people....

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[midnightpulp]

People don't trust the idiots in charge and rightfully so. The morons are over here preventing people from purchasing seeds to plant food during a pandemic. They block urgent stimulus because they want to shove their agenda on Americans. You have cops chasing people for jogging on the beach and arresting others for paddle boarding. Yeah, there is no reason to trust these people. And given the political divide there is no reason to trust your fellow American because they like the politicians will take this opportunity to springboard their agenda. This isn't yesteryear America. We have no community and we have no trust.

Because "yesteryear" didn't have twitter and a 24/7 news cycle. Many of these draconian actions did occur in "yesteryear America." They just weren't documented with the same frequency.


On Nov. 1, 1918, Eugene C. Caley became the first man in Oakland, Calif., to be arrested for not wearing a mask. He was released on bail, although similar scofflaws in San Francisco had been sentenced to up to 10 days in jail.

[Nathan89]

Going to the store is one too though. I was at Walgreens last week to buy some toilet paper and some maskless 65 year old fuck decided he was going to have a conversation with the clerk 30 feet away right as I was walking by him. I was so pissed I wanted to tell to shut his mouth when I'm walking by but figured I'd get one of those angry boomer yelling rants full of droplets if I did say anything.

I know this enraged you but it gave me good laugh tbh

[midnightpulp]

^And we are a bunch of pussies and babies. The Spanish Flu was magnitudes worse. That was during the Robber Baron era, with a greater wealth divide than probably even today. And that event came right after World War I. There was probably no social safety net to speak of, so if your restaurant went under, too bad. Not much in the way of alternative revenue streams, i.e. Pappy McDonagal simply couldn't switch to a take out only model for his restaurant. And guess what? America and the American Economy survived.

[Nathan89]

Which Republicans will fight tooth and nail. They fucking know if more people vote they are out on their asses.

90+% of the news networks pushing leftist agenda is a hell of a hill to climb. Haven't noticed Biden getting the same treatment as Kavenaugh in the metoo era. Of course a no resistance voting system is going to favor the party getting shielded by the propaganda outlets.

[ChumpDumper]

90+% of the news networks pushing leftist agenda is a hell of a hill to climb. Haven't noticed Biden getting the same treatment as Kavenaugh in the metoo era. Of course a no resistance voting system is going to favor the party getting shielded by the propaganda outlets.It's almost as if something else is dominating the news cycle.

Unfair!

[hater]

I think they claimed they were all six feet apart at that choir practice.

so?? we dont know what the fuck they did before. they all could have been blowing the priest in the back before

we are talking about scientific tests done in a lab vs anecdotes

come on

so far no evidence this thing is airborne

[Nathan89]

^And we are a bunch of pussies and babies. The Spanish Flu was magnitudes worse. That was during the Robber Baron era, with a greater wealth divide than probably even today. And that event came right after World War I. There was probably no social safety net to speak of, so if your restaurant went under, too bad. Not much in the way of alternative revenue streams, i.e. Pappy McDonagal simply couldn't switch to a take out only model for his restaurant. And guess what? America and the American Economy survived.

The didn't have California regulators to shutdown restaurants for deciding to sell vegetables or regulators of other regions preventing stores from selling seeds. You can't adapt with big daddy government getting right in your way.

[Nathan89]

It's almost as if something else is dominating the news cycle.

Unfair!

Yeah, that's why it's a total non-story.

[hater]

They were following all the guidelines in effect at the time including 6-feet and no handshakes. Probably the only way to mitigate the small droplet cannon effect would've been to do it outside.

well they fucked up

anyway we are not talking about dozens of ppl close together in a room. that is a no no in the new world we live in

[Reck]

I'm still nor will I ever get used to ordering takeout at 5 or 6 PM because ALL restaurants that are taking orders are closing by that time.

Sucks ordering food when you're not craving it. I order the shit and leave it for like 9 or 10PM when I'm actually hungry. It kinds of loses it's luster for a lack of a better word.

[apalisoc_9]

I'm still nor will I ever get used to ordering takeout at 5 or 6 PM because ALL restaurants that are taking orders are closing by that time.

Sucks ordering food when you're not craving it. I order the shit and leave it for like 9 or 10PM when I'm actually hungry. It kinds of loses it's luster for a lack of a better word.

scrah, cooking is fun. I treat it like video games. You should too.

[midnightpulp]

The didn't have California regulators to shutdown restaurants for deciding to sell vegetables or regulators of other regions preventing stores from selling seeds. You can't adapt with big daddy government getting right in your way.

How prevalent is this overreach you speak of? See, again, the age of twitter. My dad just went to home depot (in Southern California) to buy seeds :lol.

And many restaurants are selling grocery goods.

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/831635629/a-pound-of-flour-to-go-restaurants-are-selling-groceries-now
https://www.myrecipes.com/news/restaurants-selling-groceries

[Reck]

Well they fight against it for some people....

1248743044678971392

The GOP might want to tone down the red and lettering. This looks like one of those hazardous zone do not enter sign.

[boutons_deux]

Well they fight against it for some people....

1248743044678971392

The Repug tactic is to disqualify Dem mail-ins for obscure reasons, just throw them away, while counting all the Repug mail-ins, aka, yet another example of Repug "counting fraud"

[Reck]

scrah, cooking is fun. I treat it like video games. You should too.

I'd be wasting money. The other day I try making rice and it came out like paste.

[boutons_deux]

Trash stops funding WHO, punching the the wrong victim at the wrong time, sorta like dubya and dickhead after 9/11 invading the wrong country.

[Nathan89]

How prevalent is this overreach you speak of? See, again, the age of twitter. My dad just went to home depot (in Southern California) to buy seeds :lol.

And many restaurants are selling grocery goods.

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/831635629/a-pound-of-flour-to-go-restaurants-are-selling-groceries-now
https://www.myrecipes.com/news/restaurants-selling-groceries

The regulations overreach is pretty widespread. Check the building codes in your area. You'll likely find a minimum square footage. You'll find codes preventing people from adding another liveable building to existing property. Over regulation is baked into the cake. So I'd say it's pretty prevalent.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, that's why it's a total non-story.Yep. Also no Senate confirmation for Biden.

Has Fox been interviewing the victim nonstop?

Also, why do you trust Trump?

[Nathan89]

Trash stops funding WHO, punching the the wrong victim at the wrong time, sorta like dubya and dickhead after 9/11 invading the wrong country.

WHO is no victim. They deserve this. If they need extra funding they can go lick China's ass again.

[hater]

I'd be wasting money. The other day I try making rice and it came out like paste.

:lmao use twice the amount of water as rice, when it reaches boiling cover and put heat to minimum

wtf come on niga

[baseline bum]

so?? we dont know what the fuck they did before. they all could have been blowing the priest in the back before

we are talking about scientific tests done in a lab vs anecdotes

come on

so far no evidence this thing is airborne

That transmission was officially ruled airborne I think. It's data, shouldn't be dismissed as just an anecdote. Osterholm was warning of this airborne transmission back in early March and it looks like he was right based on this case.

[slick'81]

That transmission was officially ruled airborne I think. It's data, shouldn't be dismissed as just an anecdote. Osterholm was warning of this airborne transmission back in early March and it looks like he was right based on this case.


We are soo doomed

[apalisoc_9]

I'd be wasting money. The other day I try making rice and it came out like paste.

nigga you srs?

But there's always a first thing to everything scrah.

[Nathan89]

Yep. Also no Senate confirmation for Biden.

Has Fox been interviewing the victim nonstop?

Also, why do you trust Trump?

Fox should not be covering this at a significant level. It's a decades old allegation. The #believewomen crowd should be though. Also there has been some coverage but author took a completely different tone than they did when writing about Kavenaugh. So yes, you are correct in expecting less coverage but not this much of a difference. And I'm correct highlighting their massive bias.

[ChumpDumper]

Fox should not be covering this at a significant level. It's a decades old allegation. The #believewomen crowd should be though. Also there has been some coverage but author took a completely different tone than they did when writing about Kavenaugh. So yes, you are correct in expecting less coverage but not this much of a difference. And I'm correct highlighting their massive bias.So no media coverage is a good thing.

Why do you trust Trump?

[baseline bum]

I'd be wasting money. The other day I try making rice and it came out like paste.

Dude get a rice cooker. They're dirt cheap and they make perfect rice every time.

[midnightpulp]

The regulations overreach is pretty widespread. Check the building codes in your area. You'll likely find a minimum square footage. You'll find codes preventing people from adding another liveable building to existing property. Over regulation is baked into the cake. So I'd say it's pretty prevalent.

What's that have to do with how widespread the regulation is to prevent restaurants from selling groceries? And yes, some regulation is bad, some is good. You're doing all-or-nothing thinking again. I think a min sq footage law is nonsensical, but I agree that anyone wanting to add on a room or build a separate dwelling on their property should have to go through the coding process. Why? Because some dipshit weekend Bob Vila wannabe might fuck up the electrical or plumbing, and the resulting fire or stench from that fuckup might become MY problem, as well.

[Thread]

I'd be wasting money. The other day I try making rice and it came out like paste.

Put a half stick of butter in it and you'd be livin'. Butter is the best condiment ever invented.

[TimDunkem]

:lmao use twice the amount of water as rice, when it reaches boiling cover and put heat to minimum

wtf come on niga

Was about to type this. Mutha fucka never boil water before? :lmao

[pgardn]

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1250148445454848002

Doesn't have to be human made to escape out of the lab.

So they were studying corona viruses and one "escaped"? (Implying they knew it could be harmful to humans?)
Except they were/are already in the environment.
Like the many types they have already found in the environment, except this one was especially bad?

Do tell?

They study animal models of these viruses already that do not infect humans so I would like to know what happened here.
Evolution in the lab?

[RandomGuy]

WHO is no victim. They deserve this. If they need extra funding they can go lick China's ass again.

Trump tweeted that China was being very helpful and the WHO were very transparent.

Was he wrong?

[TimDunkem]

Btw, per Worldometer:

April 14th: 26945 new cases and 2407 new deaths in the United States


New York City today has reported 3,778 additional deaths that have occurred since March 11 and have been classified as "probable," defined as follows: “decedent had no known positive laboratory test for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) but the death certificate lists as a cause of death “COVID-19” or an equivalent". We will add these to the New York State total as soon as it is determined whether the historical distribution can be obtained


Yikes.

[hater]

That transmission was officially ruled airborne I think. It's data, shouldn't be dismissed as just an anecdote. Osterholm was warning of this airborne transmission back in early March and it looks like he was right based on this case.

lol officially ruled? by who? Tony Brothers?

[Nathan89]

Btw, per Worldometer:


Yikes.

Death count is high because of underreporting on previous days.

[baseline bum]

:lmao use twice the amount of water as rice, when it reaches boiling cover and put heat to minimum

wtf come on niga

I always eat short grain and use the Japanese trick of water up to the first knuckle when I put my index finger touching the rice. Medium and long grain different? I don't think I have ever cooked anything but short grain since that's the shit I grew up on. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Death count is high because of underreporting on previous days.

I wasn't talking about today's count.

[Nathan89]

What's that have to do with how widespread the regulation is to prevent restaurants from selling groceries? And yes, some regulation is bad, some is good. You're doing all-or-nothing thinking again. I think a min sq footage law is nonsensical, but I agree that anyone wanting to add on a room or build a separate dwelling on their property should have to go through the coding process. Why? Because some dipshit weekend Bob Vila wannabe might fuck up the electrical or plumbing, and the resulting fire or stench from that fuckup might become MY problem, as well.

It has do with a laundry list of regulations that prevent us from adapting. From the top regulations that made us over reliant on the CDCs botched test all the way down.

[baseline bum]

scrah, cooking is fun. I treat it like video games. You should too.

Man I gotta make some mole poblano. It's like 23 ingredients for Rick Bayless' recipe and makes my kitchen look like a warzone when I make it but you could put it on a shoe and it would be fucking delicious and it freezes great too.

[Mark Celibate]

I'd be wasting money. The other day I try making rice and it came out like paste.

dude, rice cooker and air fryer. get those two and you can basically make any dish with meat/fish, vegetables, and rice. watch a YouTube or two if you need too. I'm too impatient/scatter brained to enjoy cooking every night tbh but this has made it a lot easier imo

[apalisoc_9]

Man I gotta make some mole poblano. It's like 23 ingredients for Rick Bayless' recipe and makes my kitchen look like a warzone when I make it but you could put it on a shoe and it would be fucking delicious and it freezes great too.

Damn scrah I aint no different. :lol

But mole poblano is one of those things you cook every two weeks man. Shits too complicated and takes too long to prepare and cook. Everyd damn video says it takes 1 hour..how the fuck is that even possible. I swear theres always an added 30 minutes to the advertised time it takes to cook.

I just cook rice and chicken in a pan with some sauce.

but summers should open up grilling options.

[baseline bum]

Damn scrah I aint no different. :lol

But mole poblano is one of those things you cook every two weeks man. Shits too complicated and takes too long to prepare and cook. Everyd damn video says it takes 1 hour..how the fuck is that even possible. I swear theres always an added 30 minutes to the advertised time it takes to cook.

I just cook rice and chicken in a pan with some sauce.

but summers should open up grilling options.

Every two weeks? No way man, way too complicated to want to make that often. I make a gallon of it at time and freeze it and have mole for months. Then I can just throw it on some crap shredded chicken or pulled pork and it's amazing. Best part of cooking mole poblano though is when you take some of the raisins and fry them in the manteca you used to cook your chiles. You end up with spicy bacon flavored grapes. I always buy extra raisins when making mole since I know I'm going to plow through those while cooking. And one hour? No way. Takes me at least four hours counting prep to do mole poblano. You're always toasting something then grinding something else.

[baseline bum]

Best part of Mexican cooking though is so much of it is easy and slow cooked. Like pozole you just do nothing for 8-9 hours once you get it started. Or charro beans I just do nothing for 3-4 hours once I get them started (I like them really mushy though).

[Reck]

I’m not cheap. I can afford to buy food. Lol

[slick'81]

Every two weeks? No way man, way too complicated to want to make that often. I make a gallon of it at time and freeze it and have mole for months. Then I can just throw it on some crap shredded chicken or pulled pork and it's amazing. Best part of cooking mole poblano though is when you take some of the raisins and fry them in the manteca you used to cook your chiles. You end up with spicy bacon flavored grapes. I always buy extra raisins when making mole since I know I'm going to plow through those while cooking. And one hour? No way. Takes me at least four hours counting prep to do mole poblano. You're always toasting something then grinding something else.


Mole is fuckng disgusting:vomit:

[baseline bum]

I’m not cheap. I can afford to buy food. Lol

There is no way I'd go to restaurants in New York while you guys are the world capital of the pandemic though. I don't even go to them in San Antonio any more and we only have around 30 dead locally, with almost half of them from one fucked up nursing home.

[baseline bum]

Mole is fuckng disgusting:vomit:

It's weird because it's one of those dishes I have never been impressed by at a US restaurant and have never been anything but blown away by in Mexico, even in shitholes like Tijuana and Nuevo Laredo. I think it's because two of the three chiles you need are pretty expensive in the US so US restaurants get cheap and cut corners. But Rick Bayless' recipe for mole poblano is killer if you can get the chile mulatos.

[Reck]

There is no way I'd go to restaurants in New York while you guys are the world capital of the pandemic though. I don't even go to them in San Antonio any more and we only have around 30 dead locally, with almost half of them from one fucked up nursing home.

Saw some doctor or an expert on CNN a while ago talk about how ordering food is fine because the heat kills any bacteria that might get in the food or some shit like that. If food was an issue we'd know about it by now anyways.

[midnightpulp]

It has do with a laundry list of regulations that prevent us from adapting. From the top regulations that made us over reliant on the CDCs botched test all the way down.

South Korea has an FDA, and their CDC is modeled after ours. Why were they able to hammer this thing down like no one's business in a timely manner? "Regulation" or lackthereof isn't the only culprit here. I'm unsure of the exact reasons why the CDC, once the world's gold standard in the field, dropped the ball so hard. Lack of funding? Straight up incompetence? Who knows. But regulation probably didn't have much to do with it, as South Korea has shown.

And the "free market" was selling off PPE to the highest bidders, forcing Trump to actually seize shipments.

[baseline bum]

Saw some doctor or an expert on CNN a while ago talk about how ordering food is fine because the heat kills any bacteria that might get in the food or some shit like that. If food was an issue we'd know about it by now anyways.

I'm not worried about the virus in the food, I'm worried about it on the food and on the packaging, plus the exposure to people if I'm going out twice a day to pick food up.

[Nathan89]

South Korea has an FDA, and their CDC is modeled after ours. Why were they able to hammer this thing down like no one's business in a timely manner? "Regulation" or lackthereof isn't the only culprit here. I'm unsure of the exact reasons why the CDC, once the world's gold standard in the field, dropped the ball so hard. Lack of funding? Straight up incompetence? Who knows. But regulation probably didn't have much to do with it, as South Korea has shown.

And the "free market" was selling off PPE to the highest bidders, forcing Trump to actually seize shipments.

The point is not to be in position where you are dependent on the CDC not f'ing up. Just because South Korea was able to succeed this time doesn't mean the system is optimal. Bad poker players win tournaments because there is variance. Good poker players win more overtime with an optimal strategy.

Free market selling stuff to other countries still saves lives. This is only problematic from the perspective of wanting to protect our own. I share that perspective but it's not inherently wrong to not have that perspective.

[Reck]

plus the exposure to people if I'm going out twice a day to pick food up.

Of course I'm not doing that. I order enough food to last for the day of+ the next. Sometimes I can stretch it into the third day. Same thing when getting pizza.

Right now I'm more worried about eating too much of the latter and getting unhealthy. That and the unproductivity are the main things for me.

[hater]

Man I gotta make some mole poblano. It's like 23 ingredients for Rick Bayless' recipe and makes my kitchen look like a warzone when I make it but you could put it on a shoe and it would be fucking delicious and it freezes great too.

I got his book in my shelve nigga :tu :tu u ma niga

I love his tortilla soup n green enchiladas

[ChumpDumper]

The point is not to be in position where you are dependent on the CDC not f'ing up. Just because South Korea was able to succeed this time doesn't mean the system is optimal. Bad poker players win tournaments because there is variance. Good poker players win more overtime with an optimal strategy.

Free market selling stuff to other countries still saves lives. This is only problematic from the perspective of wanting to protect our own. I share that perspective but it's not inherently wrong to not have that perspective.How much should a COVID-19 test cost retail?

And why do you trust Trump?

[hater]

I’m not cheap. I can afford to buy food. Lol

Corona seasoning comes free tho :lmao

[hater]

Saw some doctor or an expert on CNN a while ago talk about how ordering food is fine because the heat kills any bacteria that might get in the food or some shit like that. If food was an issue we'd know about it by now anyways.

hope u are cleaning the packages, disposing of them, disinfecting and heating up the food again to kill the virus that might have gotten through handling/packaging

thats a lot of work/risk to do daily

might as well cook rice :lol

[ChumpDumper]

The pro-death party:

Speaking with radio station WIBC in Indiana, Republican Rep. Trey Hollingsworth asserted that, while he appreciated the science behind the virus' spread, "it is always the American government's position to say, in the choice between the loss of our way of life as Americans and the loss of life, of American lives, we have to always choose the latter."
"The social scientists are telling us about the economic disaster that is going on. Our (Gross Domestic Product) is supposed to be down 20% alone this quarter," Hollingsworth said. "It is policymakers' decision to put on our big boy and big girl pants and say it is the lesser of these two evils. It is not zero evil, but it is the lesser of these two evils and we intend to move forward that direction. That is our responsibility and to abdicate that is to insult the Americans that voted us into office."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/politics/trey-hollingsworth-coronavirus/index.html

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1250136937060610048?s=19

:lol

fake news

[midnightpulp]

The point is not to be in position where you are dependent on the CDC not f'ing up. Just because South Korea was able to succeed this time doesn't mean the system is optimal. Bad poker players win tournaments because there is variance. Good poker players win more overtime with an optimal strategy.

Free market selling stuff to other countries still saves lives. This is only problematic from the perspective of wanting to protect our own. I share that perspective but it's not inherently wrong to not have that perspective.

Well, South Korea has proven the concept, so you can't argue from counterfactuals here. Free market doesn't care about lives. They follow the profit. That's the point of mentioning their selling of equipment to the highest bidder. A model that doesn't care about lives is fundamentally incompatible with healthcare's goal of "do no harm."

Do you know why we have to lockdown? Because as I've told you before, our profit-driven healthcare system runs to the edge of max capacity every year because that's the best way to keep overhead as low as possible and still provide some measure of quality. Only in comparatively affluent areas where the citizens can afford private health insurance might there be a surplus of beds. In low income and rural areas, that isn't the case. And why isn't it? Because there's no profit to made there.


“Hospital beds and ICU beds have cropped up where the economics can support them,” she said. “We lack capacity everywhere, but there are pretty big differences in terms of per capita resources.”

The "free market" can't solve a problem when there's no profit motive driving it toward solving that problem. Would you open up a Rolex boutique in Gary, Indiana? Of course not. Same thing with healthcare. No point in having a great healthcare facility in some po'dunk town when the citizens will be unable to afford it.

[baseline bum]

I got his book in my shelve nigga :tu :tu u ma niga

I love his tortilla soup n green enchiladas

Every single thing I have made from Bayless' cookbooks has been amazing. mrsmaalox got me turned on to his recipes and other than the mole, they're pretty easy to make on top of being outstanding.

[ducks]

U.S. intelligence agencies are investigating whether the coronavirus may have leaked from a Chinese lab in Wuhan, the city where the pandemic is generally thought to have begun, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Tuesday.

According to a report by Bill Gertz in The Washington Times, Army Gen. Mark A. Milley, the nation’s senior military officer, told reporters that initial assessments suggest COVID-19's emergence appears to have been “natural,” occurring as a consequence of animal-to-human transmission.

However, the outlet said, he referenced published reports that the virus may have escaped from a research laboratory.

“It should be no surprise that we’ve taken a keen interest in that and we’ve had a lot of intelligence [agencies] take a hard look at that,” Milley said, according to The Times. “I would just say at this point it’s inconclusive although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural.

[TimDunkem]

Every single thing I have made from Bayless' cookbooks has been amazing. mrsmaalox got me turned on to his recipes and other than the mole, they're pretty easy to make on top of being outstanding.

I just realized I can get his Authentic Mexican eBook through Prime for free. I grew up cooking just about everything Mexican but new recipes never hurt. Gonna check it out. :tu

[Reck]

hope u are cleaning the packages, disposing of them, disinfecting and heating up the food again to kill the virus that might have gotten through handling/packaging

thats a lot of work/risk to do daily

might as well cook rice :lol

I rub everything down with alcohol my dude.

But say I get the rice right. Do you think I’m gonna be cooking rice every day? That’s a once a week thing.

I can do small things like mashed potato, tostones and stuff like that. I just suck at the complex stuff like add oils, butter, 3 cup of water, salt.

Oh and btw, stir the shit then keep coming back to turn the rice. :lol

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NjCitwKJSQ

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NjCitwKJSQWe'll never know without better testing. What's Trump's plan for that?

[pgardn]

Damn scrah I aint no different. :lol

But mole poblano is one of those things you cook every two weeks man. Shits too complicated and takes too long to prepare and cook. Everyd damn video says it takes 1 hour..how the fuck is that even possible. I swear theres always an added 30 minutes to the advertised time it takes to cook.

I just cook rice and chicken in a pan with some sauce.

but summers should open up grilling options.

Pea garden quick ramen recipe:

Chicken ramen
2 pieces of bacon
1/2 can or a 1/2 cup corn.
1 egg

-Crush ramen up in bag
-Pour into bowl and just cover with water so ramen soaks up water 5-10 min
-Meanwhile you are frying the bacon gettin as much fat out as possible cause you gonna crush it up into pieces later
- Add corn to ramen with corn juice from can
- Cook 2 min in microwave.
- Scramble one egg not cooked, put in bacon pieces.
-Add raw scrambled egg with bacon pieces, 1/2 half pack of ramen seasoning (only half; its too salty) to cooked ramen.
-Stir
- Cook an additional 1 min in microwave. For this last cook time you can add a bit more water for soupyness or less water so you can eat with a fork

Its like egg drop soup with noodles and crunchy little bacon bits.
Wonderful for ease of ingredients, cook time and taste

You are welcomed by pea garden to leave out the bacon, but I like the soupy texture with a little bacon fat and a little crunch.

You got protein and fat (egg and bacon)
You got some non sugary carbs.


Use excess bacon grease with vaseline and gasoline for modified napalm when you go to war with your neighbors and dont have that cold blue steel.
This recipe is a bit more dangerous, do not use open flame, steam heating required to produce appropriate napalm projectile.

[ducks]

After Trump in January declared a “humanitarian and security crisis" during a primetime Oval Office address, Sen. Chuck Schumer, speaking beside House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said Trump was working to “manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration."
Party leader Tom Perez also called it “manufactured.”

[hater]

I rub everything down with alcohol my dude.

But say I get the rice right. Do you think I’m gonna be cooking rice every day? That’s a once a week thing.

I can do small things like mashed potato, tostones and stuff like that. I just suck at the complex stuff like add oils, butter, 3 cup of water, salt.

Oh and btw, stir the shit then keep coming back to turn the rice. :lol

turn the rice? lol no never touch it until u take off the lid about 20 minutes later

[Reck]

turn the rice? lol no never touch it until u take off the lid about 20 minutes later

That’s what I said, odioso.

[midnightpulp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NjCitwKJSQ

I'm not going to watch him downplay, but while Covid's death rate might not be anywhere near 3 percent and is probably below 1 percent, that doesn't mean Covid is "basically the flu." The best data we have for a comparison is probably New York since they've tested more than any other state. Over the 2018-19 flu season, NY had 18K hospitalizations attributed to the flu. That's over a 6 month period. I'm unsure of when NY's "Covid Season" started, but let's be generous and say it started Jan. 1st. Since Covid took hold of NY, they've had 42K hospitalizations due to Covid over 4 months. This virus seems to hit harder. Regardless of the death, the very fact it hits harder than the flu should be concerning.

[Thread]

I'm not going to watch him downplay, but while Covid's death rate might not be anywhere near 3 percent and is probably below 1 percent, that doesn't mean Covid is "basically the flu." The best data we have for a comparison is probably New York since they've tested more than any other state. Over the 2018-19 flu season, NY had 18K hospitalizations attributed to the flu. That's over a 6 month period. I'm unsure of when NY's "Covid Season" started, but let's be generous and say it started Jan. 1st. Since Covid took hold of NY, they've had 42K hospitalizations due to Covid over 4 months. This virus seems to hit harder. Regardless of the death, the very fact it hits harder than the flu should be concerning.

...you got the fuckin' con, what else do you want?

[Thread]

After Trump in January declared a “humanitarian and security crisis" during a primetime Oval Office address, Sen. Chuck Schumer, speaking beside House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said Trump was working to “manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration."
Party leader Tom Perez also called it “manufactured.”

ducks-this-his finest hour.

ducks

[hater]

Jesus this is a zombie fucking virus. apparently it can survive extreme heat

https://twitter.com/sintoniasecreta/status/1250126581605060611?s=21

forget about this being a seasonal flu :pctoss

also need 92 degrees celcius for 15 min to kill it

thats 200F

[slick'81]

Jesus this is a zombie fucking virus. apparently it can survive extreme heat

https://twitter.com/sintoniasecreta/status/1250126581605060611?s=21

forget about this being a seasonal flu :pctoss

also need 92 degrees celcius for 15 min to kill it

thats 200F


Its going to kill us all hate

[ElNono]

People don't trust the idiots in charge and rightfully so. The morons are over here preventing people from purchasing seeds to plant food during a pandemic. They block urgent stimulus because they want to shove their agenda on Americans. You have cops chasing people for jogging on the beach and arresting others for paddle boarding. Yeah, there is no reason to trust these people. And given the political divide there is no reason to trust your fellow American because they like the politicians will take this opportunity to springboard their agenda. This isn't yesteryear America. We have no community and we have no trust.

I don't get why you're so mad about "sprinboarding agendas" when that's exactly what you do constantly here? I mean, read your own post right here.

[ElNono]

Anyone have a link to today's presser? I heard it was a knee slapper.

It'll rerun in Comedy Central sooner or later...

[Chris]

fake news

George Carlin

[midnightpulp]

Its going to kill us all hate

Hater is doomsdaying again. It's like those reports that Covid's genetic material was found on surfaces 14 days later. That is just the virus's fingerprint and isn't infectious. My guess is that temperature is required to kill the virus and all its genetic material in total. The study we need is an exploration of how heat could possibly reduce the virus's load capacity, thus making it less infectious. If we find out the viral load decreases by 10 percent with every 5 degree temp increase above 70 degrees or whatever, that'd be big. These studies so far are just exploring a binary alive/death dynamic and tell us nothing about how viral load is affected.

[RandomGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NjCitwKJSQ

We know it is about .66% or so.

Trump fucked up the testing so we have no idea.

Why did Trump not get to the millions of tests by the end of February like he promised?

He fucked off for a month tweeting, giving speeches at rallies and fucking golfing.

[RandomGuy]

Anyone have a link to today's presser? I heard it was a knee slapper.

It was fucking epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=071YQ5u6Gcg

Skip ahead to about 1:34

:rollin

He fucking floundered and got called to the mat for his bullshit finally.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

I rub everything down with alcohol my dude.

But say I get the rice right. Do you think I’m gonna be cooking rice every day? That’s a once a week thing.

I can do small things like mashed potato, tostones and stuff like that. I just suck at the complex stuff like add oils, butter, 3 cup of water, salt.

Oh and btw, stir the shit then keep coming back to turn the rice. :lol

makes sense...probably can't concentrate on anything for more than 2 minutes without turning on CNN and then coming here to post "TRUMPMAN BAD!!" per par etc

[ElNono]

George Carlin

fake news

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1250210103006986242?s=19

[TDMVPDPOY]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1250210103006986242?s=19

whattabout other ethnic minorities? fck this clown...

[pgardn]

Jesus this is a zombie fucking virus. apparently it can survive extreme heat

https://twitter.com/sintoniasecreta/status/1250126581605060611?s=21




forget about this being a seasonal flu :pctoss

also need 92 degrees celcius for 15 min to kill it

thats 200F

Soap and water.
And its a goner.
It has a membrane around it required to be infectious. The membrane is destroyed by detergents quite easily from the evidence so far.
And it makes perfect sense due to its structure.
You will be ok.
Just dont boil your hands.

There are bacteria that live and reproduce in boiling water yet die with a slight change in pH.

[spurraider21]

I always eat short grain and use the Japanese trick of water up to the first knuckle when I put my index finger touching the rice. Medium and long grain different? I don't think I have ever cooked anything but short grain since that's the shit I grew up on. :lol
We use basmati rice. 2 cups of rice, 3.5 cups water. And just drizzle a modest amount of olive oil

[Reck]

makes sense...probably can't concentrate on anything for more than 2 minutes without turning on CNN and then coming here to post "TRUMPMAN BAD!!" per par etc

Compulsive poster and liar derp with his 150th alt talking about posting on ST.

[ChumpDumper]

Compulsive poster and liar derp with his 150th alt talking about posting on ST.Doubt that's derp.

[baseline bum]

I got his book in my shelve nigga :tu :tu u ma niga

I love his tortilla soup n green enchiladas

Speaking of Bayless' tortilla soup, he actually posted a video of him making it to youtube this morning :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nZsOkMpOIk

[ducks]

Lots of death today, sadly. 2,200 dead.

More babies died then that today

[slick'81]

More babies died then that today


Great research dorks

[Fat Brandon Bass]

Compulsive poster and liar derp with his 150th alt talking about posting on ST.

:lol unable to complete a basic task like cooking a bowl of rice
:lol but MVP at spamming posts about Trump
:lol dedicating days on days on end focusing on Trump
:lol useless
:lol brainlet

[ducks]

Great research dorks

All because selfish people fucked without protection
And then did not have to deal with watching live people learn to write and talk

[TimDunkem]

More babies died then that today

You like peeing on little girls. Don't quote me, faggot.

[Blake]

Mole is fuckng disgusting:vomit:

Depends who makes it

[ElNono]

Rememba det one time when China was great and transparent? :lol

1220818115354923009

[DarrinS]

Rememba det one time when China was great and transparent? :lol

1220818115354923009


They lied

[ElNono]

They lied

So much for transparency...

[Reck]

:lol unable to complete a basic task like cooking a bowl of rice
:lol but MVP at spamming posts about Trump
:lol dedicating days on days on end focusing on Trump
:lol useless
:lol brainlet

LOL pussy running to alt to fail at insulting.

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1250210103006986242?s=19

https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2013/images/seecolor2.jpg

[Blake]

Rememba det one time when China was great and transparent? :lol

1220818115354923009

Doesn't he mean the China virus

[Spurtacular]

https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2013/images/seecolor2.jpg

Why is it important that you post this?

[ChumpDumper]

They liedYour boy Trump ate their shit with a spoon.

[DarrinS]

Your boy Trump ate their shit with a spoon.


All other countries totally blocked Wuhan virus. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

All other countries totally blocked Wuhan virus. :tuMany others did so much better than Trump.

Has Trump done anything else wrong during this crisis?

Yes or no.

If yes, list them?

[DarrinS]

Many others did so much better than Trump.

Has Trump done anything else wrong during this crisis?

Yes or no.

If yes, list them?


I think he listens to experts that inform his decisions. Were his experts wrong?

[Reck]

I think he listens to experts that inform his decisions. Were his experts wrong?

He does not. lol

He's told the situation. He ignores them. Shit goes down real bad. He then listens. Then he shits on the experts or fires them.

In that order.

[Thread]

He does not. lol

He's told the situation. He ignores then. Shit goes down real bad. He then listens. Then he shits on the experts or fires them.

In that order.

That's his prerogative.

They're (experts) most times plants, political hit men. They ain't this crazy scientist concerned/dedicated with saving mankind. They're the vast lion's share of the time the next asshole in the line trying to foil this President, by any means necessary. The old man knows that without being told.

Again, you want him to be still while you put the fucks to him.

No. "You hit him, he's going to hit back 10x times harder."

[ChumpDumper]

I think he listens to experts that inform his decisions. Were his experts wrong?No, Darrin.

I don't think these people were wrong. I think regardless of the actual source, there was a danger in Wuhan.

Two years before the novel coronavirus pandemic upended the world, U.S. Embassy officials visited a Chinese research facility in the city of Wuhan several times and sent two official warnings back to Washington about inadequate safety at the lab, which was conducting risky studies on coronaviruses from bats.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/

Do you think these people were wrong, Darrin?

Yes or no.

[ChumpDumper]

I think he listens to experts that inform his decisions. Were his experts wrong?I don't think this Feb. 23 memo with information from experts was wrong.

https://images.axios.com/2dEUbyY0NsSKiGuu6NScEXEi8HI=/2020/04/07/1586224877066.jpg

https://images.axios.com/O6BhT0g7n3c39IYi2QEtHCHr6eA=/2020/04/07/1586225117615.jpg

https://images.axios.com/FLHpRMDkJLhgEEsfuPEKkb8bgVY=/2020/04/07/1586225155736.jpg

https://images.axios.com/4AfyozauHk--9yq8sPegaHfwH-A=/2020/04/07/1586225182667.jpg

Do you think they were wrong, Darrin?

Yes or no.

[picnroll]

I think he listens to experts that inform his decisions. Were his experts wrong?

He listens to the experts conform to the story he wants to hear and fires or buries those that don’t like Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases., who said Feb. 25 that this was going to be really bad, market went down so Trash completely sidelined her.

[spurraider21]

I’m not cheap. I can afford to buy food. Lol
its not a question of being cheap

cooking your own food is definitely cheaper than ordering every meal

[Blake]

"I don't know how small businesses are doing it': One owner's struggle to apply for a loan....."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/a-finance-professors-struggle-to-apply-for-the-small-business-loan.html

What a cluster fucking mess

[Thread]

"I don't know how small businesses are doing it': One owner's struggle to apply for a loan....."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/a-finance-professors-struggle-to-apply-for-the-small-business-loan.html

What a cluster fucking mess

That's (One). Thousands of others are having great success. Media can piss on it, but, the money is going out. And that money is money from home. And anybody worth their salt is going to grab it till there ain't a dime left. That's why the Dem's are fighting tooth & nail not to replenish the fund. They're gambling that voters won't remember this come November, that THEIR voters won't give 2 shits, thus the Dem's can withstand the pressure and deny Trump his onions.

Just politics.