Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[Thread]

Weve been at the throw shit and see if it sticks stage for almost a year now :lol

Trying to find any logic or coherence from.these government moves will probably give you indigestion tbqh

& now with the "mandate" of the (boosters) for "all adults" we're back up to 200 million Americans not fully vaxxed + another 30+ million illegals unvaxxedPERIOD

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

Chumpettes will continue to be onboard for it all
:lol rent free. I haven't said anything about Omicron or the ban.

[hater]

:lol

Chumpettes will continue to be onboard for it all

:lmao nigas already on their 5th booster :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao nigas already on their 5th booster :lmaoSnakeboi just got his booster. You gonna mock him to be consistent?

[DarrinS]

Test positivity went from 1.7% to 4.8% in Bexar county

[Winehole23]

Mortality tradeoffs.

GOP necropolitics.

1250807416872189952

[Winehole23]

Test positivity went from 1.7% to 4.8% in Bexar countyoh, now you're worried?

[Winehole23]

Mortality tradeoffs.

GOP necropolitics.

1250807416872189952"Appetizing"

[Winehole23]

"a nice piece"

[Winehole23]

This guy is a doctor of medicine?

:lol

[Winehole23]

Only a "two to three percent increase in terms of total mortality."

How many people get infected in the USA?

[Winehole23]

The percentages may sound small, but the caseload ensures mass death, tbh.

[Winehole23]

The US is roughly one fifth of recorded cases and one seventh of recorded global deaths so far from COVID-19.

[Winehole23]

The US is 4.25 percent of global population. A little more than one twenty-fifth.

[SnakeBoy]

Dr Oz has Whinehole all worked up :lol

[pgardn]

This guy is a doctor of medicine?

:lol

Thats another part of a problem.
All these medical docs giving out opinions on youtube that are very likely wrong.
They want the Oz fame.

Red team was so worried about death panels for health care. The death panel that says "but if you are poor" was not considered.

[ChumpDumper]

He's a fantastic heart surgeon. He chose to push medical misinformation on his show because you can't get syndication ratings giving good medical advice 180 hours a year.

[DMC]

Mortality tradeoffs.

GOP necropolitics.

1250807416872189952

Everything has a mortality tradeoff. You're naive to pretend otherwise.

Want to stop school shootings? Close schools
Want to stop traffic fatalities? Close roads
Want to stop alcohol related fatalities? Ban alcohol

2 to 3% of the total isn't the same as 2 to 3% of the population. People will die with or without COVID based on school activities. You just won't care about those because a republican didn't talk about it.

[DMC]

Thats another part of a problem.
All these medical docs giving out opinions on youtube that are very likely wrong.
They want the Oz fame.

Red team was so worried about death panels for health care. The death panel that says "but if you are poor" was not considered.

:lol Now Cliff Clavin knows medicine too.

[Isitjustme?]

Want to stop school shootings? Close schools
Want to stop traffic fatalities? Close roads
Want to stop alcohol related fatalities? Ban alcohol



Dang, you're so smart here

[pgardn]

:lol Now Cliff Clavin knows medicine too.

No I dont.
I was not trained in that.
I know molecular biology a whole lot better than many of the cranks that try to get famous on youtube.

You think knowing human biology is the same thing as understanding a virus. It is not. They better know how to deal with MANY viruses once inside a human body. But actually understanding the biochem.... nope. Thats a MUCH smaller part of their job. I have already had this conversation with the medical docs I know. They dont get on youtube and make videos, they see patients for all kinds of mundane stuff and follow current suggestions on one particular type of virus.

If they have the time to put all these vids up that Darrin gives us, the are not practicing their craft.

Now go to bed.

[DMC]

No I dont.
I was not trained in that.
I know molecular biology a whole lot better than many of the cranks that try to get famous on youtube.

You think knowing human biology is the same thing as understanding a virus. It is not. They better know how to deal with MANY viruses once inside a human body. But actually understanding the biochem.... nope. Thats a MUCH smaller part of their job. I have already had this conversation with the medical docs I know. They dont get on youtube and make videos, they see patients for all kinds of mundane stuff and follow current suggestions on one particular type of virus.

If they have the time to put all these vids up that Darrin gives us, the are not practicing their craft.

Now go to bed.
But you challenge professionals.

Idiot

[DMC]

Dang, you're so smart here

You're the subject in the conversation about warehouse workers. You should provide your expert opinion.

[pgardn]

But you challenge professionals.

Idiot

Absolutely I do.
Especially when they say things that are flat out wrong based on what we currently know.
IF They are NOT PROFESSIONALS in the subjects they are blabbering about. Which many of Darrin's tubers ARE NOT.
Also the gadflies.

[SnakeBoy]

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[baseline bum]

We're fucked. For real. Not joking.

Fucking hell, positivity tripled before even taking Thanksgiving gathering spread into account, which we'll see when the results for this week are published next Tuesday.

[DMC]

Absolutely I do.
Especially when they say things that are flat out wrong based on what we currently know.
IF They are NOT PROFESSIONALS in the subjects they are blabbering about. Which many of Darrin's tubers ARE NOT.
Also the gadflies.

You don't know medicine but you know more than the doctors.

[DMC]

We're fucked. For real. Not joking.

Put on another mask

[ChumpDumper]

You OK, DMC?

[boutons_deux]

Trump-appointed judges are pushing a huge right-wing BigLie in order to block vaccine mandates

rulings have in common is simple enough: Trump-appointed judges.

the ruling from (https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/press-releases/cms-injunction.pdf?sfvrsn=ed822d9d_2)District Judge Matthew Schelp (https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/press-releases/cms-injunction.pdf?sfvrsn=ed822d9d_2) is filled with the kind of political language that might be expected from a Trump appointee,

with statements including claims that

implementing the rule would create a “...politically and economically vast, federalism-altering, and boundary-pushing mandate...”

The ruling also flatly accepts unsupported claims by a group of Republican state attorneys, headed by radical right Missouri attorney general Eric Schmitt, that

the mandate would cause a collapse of the health care system.

Judge Schelp ultimately echoes right-wing talking points by claiming that vaccine mandates mean that people will just walk off the job.

“The loss of staffing in many instances will result in no care at all,” writes Schelp, “as some facilities will be forced to close altogether.”

This isn’t just untrue; it’s a massive lie.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/30/2066780/-Trump-appointed-judges-are-killing-Americans-by-blocking-vaccine-mandates-and-that-s-just-the-start

Fascist Capitalists and Repugs have deeply politicized the Federal judiciary, from SCOTUS6 all the way down.

America is being successfully Orban-ized, which is a failure for Americans.

[hater]

Trump-appointed judges are pushing a huge right-wing BigLie in order to block vaccine mandates

rulings have in common is simple enough: Trump-appointed judges.

the ruling from (https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/press-releases/cms-injunction.pdf?sfvrsn=ed822d9d_2)District Judge Matthew Schelp (https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/press-releases/cms-injunction.pdf?sfvrsn=ed822d9d_2) is filled with the kind of political language that might be expected from a Trump appointee,

with statements including claims that

implementing the rule would create a “...politically and economically vast, federalism-altering, and boundary-pushing mandate...”

The ruling also flatly accepts unsupported claims by a group of Republican state attorneys, headed by radical right Missouri attorney general Eric Schmitt, that

the mandate would cause a collapse of the health care system.

Judge Schelp ultimately echoes right-wing talking points by claiming that vaccine mandates mean that people will just walk off the job.

“The loss of staffing in many instances will result in no care at all,” writes Schelp, “as some facilities will be forced to close altogether.”

This isn’t just untrue; it’s a massive lie.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/30/2066780/-Trump-appointed-judges-are-killing-Americans-by-blocking-vaccine-mandates-and-that-s-just-the-start

Fascist Capitalists and Repugs have deeply politicized the Federal judiciary, from SCOTUS6 all the way down.

America is being successfully Orban-ized, which is a failure for Americans.




:tu. Freedom

[hater]

We're fucked. For real. Not joking.

:lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/CJHopkins_Z23/status/1466040399127011331?s=19

[SnakeBoy]

:lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/CJHopkins_Z23/status/1466040399127011331?s=19

:lol

EU is fucked for sure

[SnakeBoy]

First OmiGod variant case confirmed in US. Victim is fully vaccinated. Fauci says they have the situation under control.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/CJHopkins_Z23/status/1466040399127011331?s=19

I don't think fighting hyperbole with hyperbole is your best tactic, hater.

[steak n eggs]

We need to find Optimus Prime. He’s the only one that can stop Omicron.

[baseline bum]

:lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/CJHopkins_Z23/status/1466040399127011331?s=19

Vaccinating everybody would be a good idea.

[DarrinS]

First OmiGod variant case confirmed in US. Victim is fully vaccinated. Fauci says they have the situation under control.

Symptoms almost as bad as 2nd Pfizer shot.

[hater]

Vaccinating everybody would be a good idea.

Why? Omicrap is mild and vaxed are spreading it :lmao

[hater]

Symptoms almost as bad as 2nd Pfizer shot.

:lmao :lol

[spurraider21]

:lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/CJHopkins_Z23/status/1466040399127011331?s=19
you thought canceling a state christmas party was "entire country is locking down" :lmao

[hater]

you thought canceling a state christmas party was "entire country is locking down" :lmao

Canceling Christmas on Christmas is locking down

Moron :lol

[Dirks_Finale]

Symptoms almost as bad as 2nd Pfizer shot.

Let's all hide under our beds to please the health conscience Karens, who are so deeply offended by human exhalation, but not bothered by a 5k calories per day diet.

[Adam Lambert]

Let's all hide under our beds to please the health conscience Karens, who are so deeply offended by human exhalation, but not bothered by a 5k calories per day diet.

This is a hell of an "I'm better than these people" word salad, you need to work on the character development a bit.

[Thread]

First OmiGod variant case confirmed in US. Victim is fully vaccinated. Fauci says they have the situation under control.

...then Tony continued on..."What happened on Jan. 6?"

tee, hee.

[Dirks_Finale]

This is a hell of an "I'm better than these people" word salad, you need to work on the character development a bit.

Be consistent or be called on it. That is all.

[Thread]

Vaccinating everybody would be a good idea.

More power to ya, bum. We got 120 million who need that 3rd shot now. We got the original 100 million of stubborn holdouts and the vast lion's share of the 5-11 years old. & we got the 30 million of illegal wets.

Toted up:::

That's a quarter of a million Americans/illegals in America who ain't fully vaxxed, bum.

Chop/chop!!!

[hater]

Let's all hide under our beds to please the health conscience Karens, who are so deeply offended by human exhalation, but not bothered by a 5k calories per day diet.

:lmao

A lot of posters here will be offended w this :lmao

[Adam Lambert]

Be consistent or be called on it. That is all.

Who's inconsistent? Health-conscious, mysophobic "Karens" who are also fat?

Is there a single person in America who fits this description? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Symptoms almost as bad as 2nd Pfizer shot.:lol you cried like a bitch about your side effects for months.

[ChumpDumper]

Let's all hide under our beds to please the health conscience KarensWho here told you to hide under your beds?

Let's see the quotes.

[steak n eggs]

Did they start vaccinating “migrators” yet?

[Adam Lambert]

Who here told you to hide under your beds?

It's all those fat health-conscious "Karens!" :lmao

[Thread]

Did they start vaccinating “migrators” yet?

Nope.

[Dirks_Finale]

Did they start vaccinating “migrators” yet?

Too busy cutting them 450k tax payer funded checks for their inconvenience of dealing with the big mean orange man.

[Adam Lambert]

Too busy cutting them 450k tax payer funded checks for their inconvenience of dealing with the big mean orange man.

:lmao more enemy salad

[Neo.]

Be consistent or be called on it. That is all.

so that explains why your answer to a crappy healthcare system is "get a better job" :lmao

[Dirks_Finale]

Who here told you to hide under your beds?

Let's see the quotes.

You don't care about slowing the spread, do you? Don't be so inconsiderate. Stay home to slow the spread.

And I wear a mask to protect you.

[Dirks_Finale]

so that explains why your answer to a crappy healthcare system is "get a better job" :lmao

Just try harder.

[Dirks_Finale]

:lmao more enemy salad

Did orange man give you PTSD as well?

[ChumpDumper]

You don't care about slowing the spread, do you? Don't be so inconsiderate. Stay home to slow the spread.

And I wear a mask to protect you.Why are you trying to change the subject?

Try again:


Who here told you to hide under your beds?

Let's see the quotes.

[hater]

:lmao

A lot of posters here will be offended w this :lmao

Called it :tu

[boutons_deux]

NYTimes email

"In the last 24 hours, the country’s test positivity rate jumped to 16.5 percent, from 10.2 percent.

In mid-November, before the detection of the Omicron variant, the positivity rate hovered around 1 percent."

"Officials in South Africa reported Omicron cases with symptoms that ranged from “mild disease all the way to severe disease,” but no deaths to date."

Omicron “seems to cause much more breakthrough infections than the previous ones.”

"worth noting, though, that the spike in infections has largely been among young people under the age of 35. "

an increase in hospitalizationsamong people ages 20 to 44 (https://nl.nytimes.com/f/a/BOw3xhRWuNzTbMAQvUQuPw~~/AAAAAQA~/RgRjinz4P4QpAWh0dHBzOi8vc2Fjb3JvbmF2aXJ1cy5jby56YS 8yMDIxLzExLzI5L2RhdGNvdi1ob3NwaXRhbC1zdXJ2ZWlsbGFu Y2UtZm9yLWNvdmlkLTE5LXRzaHdhbmUtbWV0cm8tcmVzdXJnZW 5jZS13ZWVrLTQ2LWVuZGluZy0yNy1ub3ZlbWJlci0yMDIxLz9j YW1wYWlnbl9pZD0xNTQmZW1jPWVkaXRfY2JfMjAyMTEyMDEmaW 5zdGFuY2VfaWQ9NDY3NTcmbmw9Y29yb25hdmlydXMtYnJpZWZp bmcmcmVnaV9pZD04MDgyMTc5NyZzZWdtZW50X2lkPTc1ODUxJn RlPTEmdXNlcl9pZD05OTJkNjA4MjE0YjUwNTAwM2FhMDRiZjEw YTU5NTAzMVcDbnl0QgphjPj3p2Eb2RD1UhNkYXJub2NuZWxAZ2 1haWwuY29tWAQAAAAA).

there is also an increase in hospitalizations in children younger than 2.

[Adam Lambert]

Did orange man give you PTSD as well?

You're the one who keeps bringing Orange Man up unprovoked.

Seems like his defeat broke you. Now you're seeing fat immigrant Karens everywhere cashing their welfare checks at Whole Foods.

[Winehole23]

;lol

[DMC]

;lol

tard :lol

[Winehole23]

:lol

[Winehole23]

nitpicking typos is strong sauce, do you regret yours, DerpMasterC?

:lmao

[Isitjustme?]

:lol you cried like a bitch about your side effects for months.

Ooopsie, look like good ol' KarrenS got busted again

[SnakeBoy]

Did they start vaccinating “migrators” yet?

Under certain circumstances said Fauci

[DarrinS]

Second U.S. case of OMGmicron

https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/02/second-us-case-omicron-variant-indicates-domestic-transmission/

[DMC]

nitpicking typos is strong sauce, do you regret yours, DerpMasterC?

:lmao

Nitpicking nitpickers is your strong point.

[hater]

Second U.S. case of OMGmicron

https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/02/second-us-case-omicron-variant-indicates-domestic-transmission/

Thos mild symptoms must be absolutely obliterating the poor bastard :cry

Shut it all down!!!!

[DMC]

Hypertension has mild symptoms. Doesn't mean it's not a problem.

[hater]

Hypertension has mild symptoms. Doesn't mean it's not a problem.

When did we shut down the country due to an outbreak of hypertension?

[Winehole23]

Second U.S. case of OMGmicron

https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/02/second-us-case-omicron-variant-indicates-domestic-transmission/back to minimizing, I see.

please keep us posted on the stats for your county and zip code.

[hater]

hater doesn't know shit about this new mutation. Hasn't been in the general pop too long you fucking idiot. :lol

Sorry you are rooting for mass deaths again psychopath.

I am confident this Omicrap has mild symptoms and will be beginning of the end of Covid :tu

Im possitive and hopeful and unlike you. I dont root for mass deaths. Psycho

[DarrinS]

back to minimizing, I see.

please keep us posted on the stats for your county and zip code.


You get your 10 miles in today, Lance? :lmao

[SnakeBoy]

You get your 10 miles in today, Lance? :lmao

Avg speed 7 mph :lol

[Adam Lambert]

You get your 10 miles in today, Lance? :lmao

Mr. "didn't learn anything after his 'sniffles' killed almost 800K people" sure got you good with that bike smack, Winehole.

[Winehole23]

Mr. "didn't learn anything after his 'sniffles' killed almost 800K people" sure got you good with that bike smack, Winehole.I may never recover, tbh

https://media.giphy.com/media/l41Ysc3dSRrQ17Z60/giphy.gif

[DarrinS]

I may never recover, tbh



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[ChumpDumper]

Trumptard bicycle smack.

That's some desperation there.

[Winehole23]

Boston area wastewater detection



https://www.mwra.com/biobot/MWRAData20211201-NSGraphpm.JPG
https://www.mwra.com/biobot/biobotdata.htm

[Winehole23]

Biden's winter COVID plan -- reimbursement of home testing kits for the privately insured, plus more encouragement to get the booster -- is dogshit.

It would only be marginally better if it included Medicare/Medicaid recipients and the uninsured, i.e., the people who are most vulnerable. This shit should be mailed to people at home for free, or be made available commercially for a nominal cost, as is done throughout Europe. Same with N95/KN95 masks.

Nothing in there about counterstratagies for an airborne pathogen, no advice on ventilation or filtration. nothing about social distancing, no provisions for sick leave or quarantine. The Biden administration is just going through the motions.

[DMC]

When did we shut down the country due to an outbreak of hypertension?

Jan 6th :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Trumptard bicycle smack.

That's some desperation there.

Can you beat Whinehole in a bicycle race?

Yes or No

[DMC]

Avg speed 7 mph :lol

Fitbit says 4000 thumb movements "ring ring"

[DMC]

Can you beat Whinehole in a bicycle race?

Yes or No

:lmao

[SnakeBoy]

Covid omicron variant expected to hit New York in ‘coming days,’ NY health commissioner says
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/02/omicron-covid-variant-expected-to-hit-new-york-in-coming-days-ny-health-commissioner-says.html

[SnakeBoy]

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[SnakeBoy]

Biden urges booster jabs amid concerns over Omicron variant
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/2/biden-urges-boosters-amid-concerns-over-omicron-variant

[steak n eggs]

Biden urges booster jabs amid concerns over Omicron variant
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/2/biden-urges-boosters-amid-concerns-over-omicron-variant


My wife’s Dr. wants to test her for antibodies before getting the 3rd dose. Seems reasonable to me. I’m not convinced the first two jabs are ineffective yet. Plus, it may do nothing for Omicron.

[ChumpDumper]

Can you beat Whinehole in a bicycle race?

Yes or NoMaybe. Never met him.

Is this really all you can talk about anymore?

[ChumpDumper]

Biden urges booster jabs amid concerns over Omicron variant
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/2/biden-urges-boosters-amid-concerns-over-omicron-variantYou did just as Biden told you.:tu

Good boy.

[hater]

My wife’s Dr. wants to test her for antibodies before getting the 3rd dose. Seems reasonable to me. I’m not convinced the first two jabs are ineffective yet. Plus, it may do nothing for Omicron.

The jab after a few months struggles versus Original Strain

Do you think it has any shot in hell vs Omicrap? :lmao

The hope and signs are Omicrap is milder thus starting an end to the pandemic :tu

Prayingdog.mp3

[DarrinS]

Covid omicron variant expected to hit New York in ‘coming days,’ NY health commissioner says
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/02/omicron-covid-variant-expected-to-hit-new-york-in-coming-days-ny-health-commissioner-says.html

Already five cases there

[hater]

Already five cases there

All mild right?

Prayingdog.gz.zip

Let this be the begginning of the end of the pandemic :tu

[DarrinS]

All mild right?

Prayingdog.gz.zip

Let this be the begginning of the end of the pandemic :tu


Law of diminishing virulence

[Winehole23]

Already five cases thereIt'll be everywhere soon.

Uncontrolled community transmission, bad data collection and indifference to mass disease and death are US hallmarks.

[Winehole23]

Law of diminishing virulenceIt's not a law. Smallpox never got less deadly.

[baseline bum]

The jab after a few months struggles versus Original Strain

Do you think it has any shot in hell vs Omicrap? :lmao

The hope and signs are Omicrap is milder thus starting an end to the pandemic :tu

Prayingdog.mp3

No World War XII?

[hater]

It'll be everywhere soon.

Uncontrolled community transmission, bad data collection and indifference to mass disease and death are US hallmarks.

If its mild 2 we need it to overtake all other strains. And pandemic to end.

Let it all burn through if we see all mild symptoms :tu

[hater]

No World War XII?

There will be a war in Eastern Europe in 12 months or less. :(

Cheers :tu

[steak n eggs]

The hope and signs are Omicrap is milder thus starting an end to the pandemic :tu

Prayingdog.mp3

:tu

[Winehole23]

"A research program may considered successful if no more that 49.9% of the data must be discarded to save the hypothesis."

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[SnakeBoy]

My wife’s Dr. wants to test her for antibodies before getting the 3rd dose. Seems reasonable to me. I’m not convinced the first two jabs are ineffective yet. Plus, it may do nothing for Omicron.

Testing for antibodies after vaccination isn't recommended by the CDC because there is no correlate of protection for antibody levels. My wife only did that for immunosuppressed pts prior to the boosters being approved. That way she could justify writing a prescription for an additional dose. Now that isn't an issue.

2 doses of any of the vaccines is providing greater than 90% protection against severe illness and death. Which is about as good as it gets with vaccines. They never were going to prevent infections. The vaccines should continue to provide pretty good protection against any variant as long as the body can recognize the spike protein. The virus can't escape memory t cell response on a population level and it is t cells that actually clear the virus.

There hasn't been any reason not to get a 3rd dose though. It's not like those doses are going to get sent to Africa if people don't take them. They'll just throw them in the trash when they expire.

[SnakeBoy]

Law of diminishing virulence


If its mild 2 we need it to overtake all other strains. And pandemic to end.

Let it all burn through if we see all mild symptoms :tu

I doubt the mortality has changed. We adapt to it by getting vaccinated/infected, not the other way around imo. Severe illness/death is from immune dysregulation after the viral replication phase. I don't see why that will change.

[SnakeBoy]

Rabies is a 100% fatal 100% successful virus. Disproves the it doesn't want to kill the host theory. Viruses don't want anything, not even to survive.

[SnakeBoy]

You did just as Biden told you.:tu

Good boy.

lol keep trying booster boy

If I get boosted enough and keep eating in the parking lot I'll never catch the virus :lol

[baseline bum]

lol keep trying booster boy

If I get boosted enough and keep eating in the parking lot I'll never catch the virus :lol

Still don't understand that parking lot smack. Yes, I ate Texas Roadhouse in my car in the parking lot instead of inside the restaurant in 2020 before we had vaccines.

[SnakeBoy]

Still don't understand that parking lot smack. Yes, I ate Texas Roadhouse in my car in the parking lot instead of inside the restaurant in 2020 before we had vaccines.

Every time I say it to Chump you think I'm talking about you :lol. Chump is the one who got N95's early on so he could go through whataburger drive thru and eat in the parking lot. He's the one who said he's never going to catch the virus.

[hater]

Rabies is a 100% fatal 100% successful virus. Disproves the it doesn't want to kill the host theory. Viruses don't want anything, not even to survive.

Its not that viruses think. Its called evolution. The strain that can infect the most hosts for longer wins in the end.

Kinda like those birds with beautiful colors. They slowly evolved by the ugoy ones dying out and the pretty ones.getting all the pussy and offspring....

[hater]

Every time I say it to Chump you think I'm talking about you :lol. Chump is the one who got N95's early on so he could go through whataburger drive thru and eat in the parking lot. He's the one who said he's never going to catch the virus.

Wearing a n95 back in february-june 2020 is nothing to laugh at tbqh

I was vouching for this. As soon as it was a fact that 99.5% of under 65 survive. Its a different story. I still vouched for kn95s deep into 2020. I dont see an issue with this.


Wearinh a n95 in 2021 and after 2 shots tho :lol

[Cuck Ross]

Biosafety expert close to Wuhan Institute of Virology urged associates there to address his tough questions about lab origin of SARS-CoV-2

In early 2020, as the world was reeling from the fast spread of the Covid-19 pandemic, a leading biosafety expert with close ties to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) encouraged scientists there to launch an “investigation” into whether the new disease could have come from the institute, including answering many of his specific questions about lab activities, emails obtained by U.S. Right to Know show.
The emails show that James Le Duc, (https://www.utmb.edu/cbeid/projects/research-program-project/collaborator-bios/james-w-le-duc-phd) a professor and former director of Galveston National Laboratory (https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/LeDuc-CV.pdf) at the University of Texas Medical Branch (UTMB), suggested scientists at the institute in China should not wait for an outside probe, but gather information and be prepared to answer questions about their work and how it may be connected to SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes Covid-19.
In a Feb. 9, 2020 email to WIV Professor Yuan Zhiming (https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Le-Duc_Yuan_Email-and-Investigation-List.pdf), Le Duc wrote (https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Le-Duc_Yuan_Email-and-Investigation-List.pdf) that he thought it was important to “aggressively address these rumors and presumably false accusations quickly and provide definitive, honest information to counter misinformation.”
“If there are weaknesses in your program, now is the time to admit them and get them corrected. I trust that you will take my suggestions in the spirit of one friend trying to help another during a very difficult time,” he wrote.
Though the February 2020 email indicated he downplayed the possibility of a lab leak, only two months later, Le Duc wrote in a separate correspondence (https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/LeDuc_Russell_856-8.pdf) to Phillip Russell, former president of the American Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene (https://www.astmh.org/blog/april-2021/in-memoriam-major-general-(ret)-philip-king-russe), that it was “certainly possible a lab accident was the source of the epidemic and I also agree that we can’t trust the Chinese government.”
Le Duc was no stranger to the Wuhan institute; he had sponsored and trained WIV scientists at the Biosafety Level 4 (BSL-4) laboratory he ran in Galveston, and records show he made multiple trips to Wuhan (https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/LeDuc_Wuhan_1986.pdf) to train virologists (https://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/jw-v-hhs-nih-wuhan-inst-august-2021-00696/) there since 1986. (https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Judicial-Watch_LeDuc_Wuhan_1986_pp.42-3.pdf)
In 2018 Le Duc co-authored an article in Science magazine (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aav7120?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200pubmed) with Yuan, who was then director of the WIV BSL-4 laboratory. Le Duc and Yuan referred to their “partnership” in the article, and wrote that they had “engaged in short- and long-term personnel exchanges focused on biosafety training, building operations and maintenance, and collaborative scientific investigations in biocontainment.”
BSL-3 and BSL-4 are biocontainment lab designations for handling dangerous pathogens. The higher level BSL-4 is used for working with the most dangerous high-risk agents, including Ebola and Marburg viruses.
Tough questions go unanswered
In the February 2020 email, Le Duc laid out numerous questions that he thought the WIV should address as part of an investigation into the possibility that the virus was “the result of a release from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (main campus or new BSL3/BSL4 facilities).”
Among the questions he posed (https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Le-Duc_Yuan_Email-and-Investigation-List.pdf):
*Where is coronavirus research conducted? What level of biocontainment?
*What are the coronaviruses in your possession that are most closely related to nCoV [novel coronaviruses] based on genetic sequences and are able to replicate in culture?
*Is there an inventory record of each isolate of each coronavirus kept? If so, are there any discrepancies between the record and actual current inventory number?
* How many people have access to the coronavirus stocks and laboratory?Senior investigators? Junior investigators? Technical support staff? Post-docs? Students? Animal handlers? Janitors and other cleaning staff? Building support personnel? Others?
* Is anyone on your team conducting gain of function studies, recombination studies or any other studies that may have resulted in the creation of the nCoV ?
*Does a serum bank exist for staff and students working on infectious agents? If yes, could a current serum and the most recent banked sera be serologically tested for antibody to nCoV in an effort to document seroconversion?
*Does the Institute have an occupational health clinic where employees and students can go to seek medical care? If so, was there any indication of unusual illness similar to that seen for nCoV among Institute staff?
*Where and when were the first Wuhan (or Hubei Province) residents infected with the nCoV first identified (hospital or clinic name/date of earliest cases)? Do staff members of the Institute reside in the district serviced by this (these) hospital/clinic (s)?
*Do staff members of the Wuhan Institute of Virology frequent the sea food/live market first associated with the nCoV outbreak? Did any staff member visit the market in the weeks prior to it being closed? If so, how many staff frequent the market? How often would they visit the market during the period of interest?
On April 13, 2020, Le Duc forwarded his email (https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Le-Duc_Yuan_Email-and-Investigation-List.pdf) to Yuan to David Franz, former commander of the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, saying he had never received a response to his questions.
“As we explore trying to reengage our dialogue, some of these questions might be discussed,” he wrote to Franz.
Though the World Health Organization (WHO) has been conducting its own investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV-2, many of the questions raised by Le Duc remain unanswered. And many scientists around the world fear there may never be a full, thorough and unconflicted investigation of the origins of SARS-CoV-2.
The April 2020 exchange between Le Duc and Russell shows that Russell, a physician, vaccine scientist and retired U.S. Army major general who died in 2021, was concerned that a “coverup” of the virus origins may be underway.
Russell wrote (https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/LeDuc_Russell_856-8.pdf): “That does not rule out the possibility that one of the many bat coronaviruses isolated in the Wuhan lab infected a technician who walked out the door. No need for engineering the virus. The flimsiness of the epidemiology pointing to the wet market, the absence of bats in the market, the failure to identify an intermediate animal host, the extraordinary measures taken by the Chinese government, including persecution and probable killing of two brave physicians, to cover up the outbreak, the steps taken to silence the laboratory personnel,. the change in leadership of the lab, all point to the lab as the source of the outbreak.”
“This reminds me of the efforts by Matt Messelson and many colleagues to coverup up the Sverdeslosk [Sverdlovsk] anthrax outbreak,” Russell continued. “They succeeded for many years aided and abetted by many in academia until Ken Alibek defected and the truth came out. I bought the wet market story for months but now am very skeptical of anything information coming from the Chinese government.”
U.S. Right to Know obtained the emails for this article through a Texas Public Information Act (TPIA) request on July 3, 2020. UTMB did not produce these documents until November 23, 2021, more than 16 months later. USRTK filed a second TPIA request with UTMB on September 23, 2020, but more than 14 months later UTMB still has not yet produced any documents in response.

https://usrtk.org/biohazards/biosafety-expert-close-to-wuhan-institute-of-virology-urged-associates-there-to-address-his-tough-questions-about-lab-origin-of-sars-cov-2/

[DMC]

It'll be everywhere soon.

Uncontrolled community transmission, bad data collection and indifference to mass disease and death are US hallmarks.

Just imagine the amount of fear pimping you get to do now. Your poor little fingers.

[DMC]

I doubt the mortality has changed. We adapt to it by getting vaccinated/infected, not the other way around imo. Severe illness/death is from immune dysregulation after the viral replication phase. I don't see why that will change.
Not sure about that. Electricity wants to take the shortest, least resistive path to ground so there's that.

[DMC]

It's not a law. Smallpox never got less deadly.

Still, subsequent smallpox outbreaks in America had shown low lethality, and the virus that caused these epidemics was given the name variola minor alastrim. During its spread to the American continent, the evolution of the West African subtype of variola virus led to a reduction in the case fatality rate of smallpox from 12% to less than 1%

[Ef-man]

“Still, subsequent smallpox outbreaks in America had shown low lethality, and the virus that caused these epidemics was given the name variola minor alastrim. During its spread to the American continent, the evolution of the West African subtype of variola virus led to a reduction in the case fatality rate of smallpox from 12% to less than 1%.“

Cause copy-paste normally requires attribution (https://www.news-medical.net/health/Smallpox-Evolution.aspx)

[Winehole23]

Glib copypasta hiding the source. Still no support for a "law of decreasing virulence."

[DarrinS]

Glib copypasta hiding the source. Still no support for a "law of decreasing virulence."

Better get in your jammies and read a comforting bedtime story. You can doom scroll after your 10 mile bike ride.

[SnakeBoy]

Still, subsequent smallpox outbreaks in America had shown low lethality, and the virus that caused these epidemics was given the name variola minor alastrim. During its spread to the American continent, the evolution of the West African subtype of variola virus led to a reduction in the case fatality rate of smallpox from 12% to less than 1%

Evolutionary divergence and co-circulation over the course of hundreds of years is not at all comparable to covid variants over the course of months.

We keep going through the variant scare and one side says it's getting milder and one side says maybe it's worse but in the end virulence in naive populations has remained the same. I'd be happy to be wrong but the cases we know of so far are either vaxxed or younger people so you would expect them to be overwhelmingly mild cases. I'll stick with virulence remains the same and vaccines remain highly effective. We'll find out soon enough.

[Winehole23]

Better get in your jammies and read a comforting bedtime story. You can doom scroll after your 10 mile bike ride.I can doomscoll anytime I please and I'm nowhere close to bedtime.

Thanks for your personal.interest in me tho, it really underscores your topical focus. :lol

[DarrinS]

I can doomscoll anytime I please and I'm nowhere close to bedtime.

Thanks for your personal.interest in me tho, it really underscores your topical focus. :lol


You revealed your fake fitness routine, fat boy. :lol

Your keyboard doesn't burn many calories. :lol

[Winehole23]

You revealed your fake fitness routine, fat boy. :lol

Your keyboard doesn't burn many calories. :lolit's hilarious you think you can deduce this from patterns of posting., tbh.

how do you know so much about people you don't know in meatspace?

[DarrinS]

it's hilarious you think you can deduce this from patterns of posting., tbh.

how do you know so much about people you don't know in meatspace?


You and chump are 24/7 posters. You can infer a lot. :lol

[Winehole23]

If you check the timestamps, not true.

[Winehole23]

So glib and so dumb.

[SnakeBoy]

WHO - coronavirus will keep producing new variants as long as it circulates in unvaccinated people

:lol

[SnakeBoy]

So glib and so dumb.

On a serious note...

Chump says he can beat you in a bicycle race

You gonna take that from him?

[Winehole23]

Biden's winter COVID plan -- reimbursement of home testing kits for the privately insured, plus more encouragement to get the booster -- is dogshit.

It would only be marginally better if it included Medicare/Medicaid recipients and the uninsured, i.e., the people who are most vulnerable. This shit should be mailed to people at home for free, or be made available commercially for a nominal cost, as is done throughout Europe. Same with N95/KN95 masks.

Nothing in there about counterstratagies for an airborne pathogen, no advice on ventilation or filtration. nothing about social distancing, no provisions for sick leave or quarantine. The Biden administration is just going through the motions.Yeah, what we really need now is another opportunity to call our insurers to beg for compensation.

Way to go, Brandon.

[Winehole23]

On a serious note...

Chump says he can beat you in a bicycle race

You gonna take that from him?
As I recall, ChumpDumper said he wasn't sure, as we are not personally acquainted.

I'm not a racer. I'll ride with any friendly person. My personal style is maximal exertion, though. I like to challenge my own limits.

Not gonna lie, competitive sports did a number on me, I was a late bloomer. I still have a motor based on compensating for being undersized and relatively underdeveloped physically as a teenager. When I filled out physically in my 20s, the tables turned, I became the bully partly because in my mind, I was still the shrimp.

You want me on your soccer team. You hate to play against me.

[Thread]

Yeah, what we really need now is another opportunity to call our insurers to beg for compensation.

Way to go, Brandon.

+ that fuck face stole my $1200.

[Winehole23]

Even as an underdeveloped, undersized shrimp, at age 16 I qualified for a top level youth club in SA, and a couple of years after that I played on the Pearl International team, which was the top men's club in SA.

Houston Colombia spanked us in the state final that year, but I played in that match, which was televised locally on PBS.

[Winehole23]

+ that fuck face stole my $1200.:cry

[ElNono]

Just grateful we have a serious president like Brandon following the science on Omicron, tbh...

[Ef-man]

“Still, subsequent smallpox outbreaks in America had shown low lethality, and the virus that caused these epidemics was given the name variola minor alastrim. During its spread to the American continent, the evolution of the West African subtype of variola virus led to a reduction in the case fatality rate of smallpox from 12% to less than 1%.“

Cause copy-paste normally requires attribution (https://www.news-medical.net/health/Smallpox-Evolution.aspx)


Just grateful we have a serious president like Brandon following the science on Omicron, tbh...

Am grateful he did not plagiarize trump's healthcare plan to address the pandemic.

What type of professional fool would try to pass off someone else's ideas as his?

[Thread]

Am grateful he did not plagiarize trump's healthcare plan to address the pandemic.

What type of professional fool would try to pass off someone else's ideas as his?

MF Biden lost another 1200+ Americans to COVID yesterday, Effy.

MF Biden will lose another thousand+ Americans to COVID today, Effy.

MF Biden's (Active Cases) count in America went back over 9 and a half million yesterday, Effy.

Let us proceed...

[hater]

Damn 1 in 4 mrna victims will get heart disease....


https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1466422613043990537?s=19


Play stupid games....

[hater]

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1464269218883452941?s=19

[hater]

Of course

:lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1466483649835061250?s=19

[hater]

Caaaalled it :tu

The beginning of the end of the pandemic has started :tu


https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1466118913117364225?s=19


Go Omicron Go!!

Infect entire population and kill all other variants :tu

:tu

https://twitter.com/healthtimeszim/status/1466761716931383297?s=19


Called it :tu

[ChumpDumper]

lol keep trying booster boy

If I get boosted enough and keep eating in the parking lot I'll never catch the virus :lol

Keep trying boosted antibooster boy. I never said any of that.

Trumptards always end up lying.:lol

[hater]

Next few days is great time to load up on stocks nigs :tu

Im buying shit up!

Chaching!

[hater]

https://twitter.com/TurncoatD/status/1462553205032689668?s=19

[hater]

:lmao :lmao :lol

"We have aboriginals staying at the camp..."


:lol jesus :lmao

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1465912948858273792?s=19

[boutons_deux]

Omicron covid variant three times more likely to cause reinfection than delta, S. Africa study says (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/03/omicron-covid-variant-delta-reinfection/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F356eaca%2F61aa513e9d2fdab56bb066f7%2F59740db3 ade4e21a8493fdae%2F12%2F72%2F61aa513e9d2fdab56bb06 6f7)https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/03/omicron-covid-variant-delta-reinfection

[DarrinS]

:lmao :lmao :lol

"We have aboriginals staying at the camp..."


:lol jesus :lmao

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1465912948858273792?s=19


Fucking psychos. :lol

[DarrinS]

1466715838967205892

[boutons_deux]

Study turns up amazing evidence of how mask mandates save lives and is immediately covered up

At the request of Gov. Mike Parson, the Missouri Department of Health conducted an analysis of COVID-19 infections and deaths in those cities and counties that implemented mask mandates compared to the rest of the state.

During every part of the pandemic, mask mandates worked to reduce rates of infections and prevent deaths.

Deaths in areas without mask mandates occurred at a rate three times higher than in those areas with masks.

Parsons did what any good Republican governor would do when confronted with information that could save thousands of lives in his state—he buried it.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/12/2/2067178/-Missouri-Department-of-Health-found-that-mask-mandates-work-then-they-hid-the-results

All Repug politics, All the Time, means Repug politics overrides human life, esp lives of Repug voters.

[boutons_deux]

'Magic dirt':

How the internet fueled, and defeated, the pandemic's weirdest MLM

Black Oxygen Organics became a sudden hit in the fringe world of alternative medicines

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/magic-dirt-internet-fueled-defeated-pandemics-weirdest-mlm-rcna6950 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/magic-dirt-internet-fueled-defeated-pandemics-weirdest-mlm-rcna6950?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_mahttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/magic-dirt-internet-fueled-defeated-pandemics-weirdest-mlm-rcna6950?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma)

[SnakeBoy]

'Magic dirt':

How the internet fueled, and defeated, the pandemic's weirdest MLM

Black Oxygen Organics became a sudden hit in the fringe world of alternative medicines

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/magic-dirt-internet-fueled-defeated-pandemics-weirdest-mlm-rcna6950 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/magic-dirt-internet-fueled-defeated-pandemics-weirdest-mlm-rcna6950?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_mahttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/magic-dirt-internet-fueled-defeated-pandemics-weirdest-mlm-rcna6950?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma)

This is like the 3rd or 4th time libs have posted this. Some people are eating magic dirt like Beto did, what's the big deal?

[ChumpDumper]

Snakey indignantly stakes out his anti-anti-antivaxx position and *dings* Beto for some reason.

[Winehole23]

Snakey indignantly stakes out his anti-anti-antivaxx position and *dings* Beto for some reason.football spiking/end-zone dancing

they do this when they think they just scored.

[SnakeBoy]

Snakey indignantly stakes out his anti-anti-antivaxx position and *dings* Beto for some reason.

lol still so mad at me because your friends won't listen to you. Tell the truth and maybe they will.

[SnakeBoy]

1466715838967205892

It's the gold standard


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f5ZzCaOarA

[SnakeBoy]

What makes an antivaxxer in Australia...well questioning anything


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hIKhtCB8PA

Sounds like an angry ST lib

[boutons_deux]

NY times email

"scientists in South Africa said

the newest coronavirus variant appears to spread more than twice as quickly as Delta,

until now the fastest-moving version of the virus.

Omicron’s ability to evade vaccines remains unclear."

[hater]

It's the gold standard


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f5ZzCaOarA

Its fucking an insane asylum down there. Reminds me of the movie One Flew Over Cuckoos Nest

They even got their own Nurse Ratched

https://twitter.com/therealrukshan/status/1435215068099014658?s=19

[SnakeBoy]

Its fucking an insane asylum down there. Reminds me of the movie One Flew Over Cuckoos Nest

They even got their own Nurse Ratched

https://twitter.com/therealrukshan/status/1435215068099014658?s=19

lol boosters forever or get expelled from society

[hater]

Youdontsay.mpg

https://twitter.com/rorkat/status/1466853220706230280?s=19

[hater]

lol boosters forever or get expelled from society

Read that the South African drs.are claiming Omicron is mild on vaccinated. And asymptomatic on unvaxed.

If this is true


:lol


:lol


Let that sink in

[SnakeBoy]

Read that the South African drs.are claiming Omicron is mild on vaccinated. And asymptomatic on unvaxed.

If this is true


:lol


:lol


Let that sink in

I heard most of the unvaxxed were previously infected. That would make sense because natural immunity provides broader protection than the vaccines.

[hater]

:lmao is this true? The first known case of Omicron is in a Vaxed person??????

Holy shit :lmao

[hater]

Holy shit so it actually might be true :lmao
https://twitter.com/Austin_Zone/status/1466865746793934856?s=19


Got damns :lol

[Winehole23]

Wisconsin hospitals getting rekt by COVID


When Western Wisconsin Health has critically ill patients, officials at the hospital in the St. Croix County community of Baldwin try to transfer them to larger regional hospitals with intensive care beds and staffing to better treat them, external care sometimes necessary to save patients’ lives.



But finding available intensive care unit (ICU) beds at other west-central Wisconsin hospitals, or those in the metro Twin Cities (https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/11/10/latest-on-covid19-in-mn) across the border in Minnesota, has become akin to winning the lottery in recent weeks, hospital officials said.


A continued surge of COVID-19 cases (https://upnorthnewswi.com/2021/11/18/covid-is-spiking-again-in-wisconsin-just-in-time-for-the-holidays/), combined with existing health issues requiring hospitalization, has left hospitals in St. Croix County and many others across the state with few or no open beds (https://www.nbc15.com/2021/11/29/hospital-icu-beds-fill-up-across-wisconsin/). That means transfers of patients seriously sick with the coronavirus and other maladies to hospitals that can provide higher-level care often aren’t happening, placing those patients’ health—and, in some cases, their lives—at risk, officials at Wisconsin hospitals and other health officials told UpNorthNews.



“High-level intensive care units are currently overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients,” Western Wisconsin Health (WWH) CEO Alison Page said. “The inability to get really sick people to the level of care they need is causing bad things to happen and people to die.”
https://upnorthnewswi.com/2021/12/02/wisconsin-hospitals-are-in-emergency-situation-as-unvaccinated-covid-patients-fill-up-icu-beds/

[SnakeBoy]

Looks like New York is off to the races as well

[Dirks_Finale]

I heard most of the unvaxxed were previously infected. That would make sense because natural immunity provides broader protection than the vaccines.

Bingo.

[Winehole23]

Hospitalization doubling weekly in Gauteng


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFsuwevVcAEfoLy?format=png&name=large

1466657689459519488

1466659433769943044

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFnnkWfXoAMSR_s?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFnnkWeXwAIxqfd?format=jpg&name=large

[spurraider21]

[/B]
Bingo.
did you get a polio vaccine or did you try to get natural immunity to that too?

[Winehole23]

I heard most of the unvaxxed were previously infected. That would make sense because natural immunity provides broader protection than the vaccines.It would make sense if it were true.

Appears that it might not be.


1466459358498283521

[hater]

It would make sense if it were true.

Appears that it might not be.


1466459358498283521


None of them will die :tu

[Dirks_Finale]

did you get a polio vaccine or did you try to get natural immunity to that too?

Not anti-vaxx at all.

But why isn't natural immunity a thing in this country? If you have had it already and recovered and don't want the vaxx, you should not be pushed to get it.

[spurraider21]

Not anti-vaxx at all.
:lol


But why isn't natural immunity a thing in this country? If you have had it already and recovered and don't want the vaxx, you should not be pushed to get it.
it is for a lot of things

tell me why you didnt just try to get natural immunity for polio

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFtl51cVEAEQlEN?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.11.21266068v2.full.pdf

[Dirks_Finale]

:lol


it is for a lot of things

tell me why you didnt just try to get natural immunity for polio

Probably because the school system forced us to get it? :lol

[spurraider21]

Probably because the school system forced us to get it? :lol
so if not for the school system, you would have opted against the polio vaccine in favor of trying to catch polio so that you could wind up with natural immunity?

[hater]

:lol


it is for a lot of things

tell me why you didnt just try to get natural immunity for polio

Polio death rate 5-15%

Covid death rate .5%


Math is your friend :tu

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFdRCPCXIAUI7LW?format=jpg&name=small

[Ef-man]

None of them will die :tu

Wrong :wow

There have been deaths of children from the new variant, especially those with pre-existing health issues.

[Winehole23]

None of them will die :tuAnother bold prediction.

A single fatality will wreck it.

[hater]

Wrong :wow

There have been deaths of children from the new variant, especially those with pre-existing health issues.

Post your evidence of these dead.children from Omicron

[hater]

Another bold prediction.

A single fatality will wreck it.

Correct. None of those guys with natural immunity you mention will die. None.

Cheers :tu

[spurraider21]

Polio death rate 5-15%

Covid death rate .5%


Math is your friend :tu
case fatality rate of 1.6% in the US.

but putting that aside, we have 800,000 dead americans from this disease in less than 2 years. its not exactly something you can brush off. polio killed like 3k americans in its worst year ever

[hater]

case fatality rate of 1.6% in the US.

but putting that aside, we have 800,000 dead americans from this disease in less than 2 years. its not exactly something you can brush off. polio killed like 3k americans in its worst year ever

You asked why a healthy young person would want natural immunity from covid. The answer is because 8ts very survivable.

[Dirks_Finale]

so if not for the school system, you would have opted against the polio vaccine in favor of trying to catch polio so that you could wind up with natural immunity?

A better question is, if you have already recovered from it, do you still need to be coerced into being vaxxed?

But no, if I have not already recovered from virus__x__ and it's potentially serious, then I would personally elect for vaccination.

[spurraider21]

A better question is, if you have already recovered from it, do you still need to be coerced into being vaxxed?

But no, if I have not already recovered from virus__x__ and it's potentially serious, then I would personally elect for vaccination.

you just said you got the polio vaccine "because the school system forced us"

[Dirks_Finale]

you just said you got the polio vaccine "because the school system forced us"

Right, parents and school system made the decision for me.

[spurraider21]

Right, parents and school system made the decision for me.
but you just said you would choose getting vaccinated in that scenario :lol

[SnakeBoy]

It would make sense if it were true.

Appears that it might not be.


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That doesn't contradict what I said. But yes I should have said "if true".

[DMC]

did you get a polio vaccine or did you try to get natural immunity to that too?

Who said anyone tried to get natural immunity? I must have missed it.

[DMC]

I'm sorry, but most of us have never been infected with COVID. If you've had "multiple suspected infections" and you're still suspected to be infected again, you probably need to re-examine your lifestyle.

[spurraider21]

Who said anyone tried to get natural immunity? I must have missed it.
about 200 million americans out of 330 million have been vaccinated. we have had about 50 million confirmed covid cases (and there is an overlap there). we probably have over 100 million people in the US who have not had covid and are still refusing to get vaccinated.

[spurraider21]

dno what happened to formatting there

[DMC]

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about 200 million americans out of 330 million have been vaccinated. we have had about 50 million confirmed covid cases (and there is an overlap there). we probably have over 100 million people in the US who have not had covid and are still refusing to get vaccinated.

Not sure but it could start a fad.

OK for the explanation, it doesn't answer the question. Who here ITT said it?

Three types:

1. Vaxxed
2. COVID survivors - some antibodies, won't get vaxxed
3. never had COVID, won't get vaxxed

number 3 is the problem. number 2 could be better. Maybe stop conflating number 2 with number 3.

[ChumpDumper]

lol still so mad at me because your friends won't listen to you. Tell the truth and maybe they will.

:lol how are you saying I lied to them?

Be specific in backing up your claim.

[spurraider21]

Not sure but it could start a fad.

OK for the explanation, it doesn't answer the question. Who here ITT said it?

Three types:

1. Vaxxed
2. COVID survivors - some antibodies, won't get vaxxed
3. never had COVID, won't get vaxxed

number 3 is the problem. number 2 could be better. Maybe stop conflating number 2 with number 3.
2 and 3 are different

2, at this point, is a less dangerous group (though we've seen that even natural immunity is waning with time), but even they could bolster their level of immunity by getting vaccinated. that provides more protection to them, and by extension, the general public

the only way group 1 could bolster their immunity would be to get the disease, which is not a reasonable ask

[hater]

2 and 3 are different

2, at this point, is a less dangerous group (though we've seen that even natural immunity is waning with time), but even they could bolster their level of immunity by getting vaccinated. that provides more protection to them, and by extension, the general public

the only way group 1 could bolster their immunity would be to get the disease, which is not a reasonable ask

Group 2 is no more dangerous than group 1.

Follow da science thang

Cheers :tu

[spurraider21]

Group 2 is no more dangerous than group 1.

Follow da science thang

Cheers :tu
group 1 has taken all reasonable steps to mitigate damage. group 2 has not. its not a dick measuring competition to have more immunity than your neighbor. its about a collective effort to promote public safety

[hater]

group 1 has taken all reasonable steps to mitigate damage. group 2 has not. its not a dick measuring competition to have more immunity than your neighbor. its about a collective effort to promote public safety

Dumb logic. You said dangerous. We are talking about a virus. Group 2 is as or less dangerous with the virus than group 1.

Follow da science


Cheers :tu

[DMC]

group 1 has taken all reasonable steps to mitigate damage. group 2 has not. its not a dick measuring competition to have more immunity than your neighbor. its about a collective effort to promote public safety

This isn't science based though, it's a social issue. You feel people should do everything in their power to mitigate the risk, but what does science care about intentions or effort? If group 2 is just as immune as group 1, they are the same as far as science goes.

[spurraider21]

This isn't science based though, it's a social issue. You feel people should do everything in their power to mitigate the risk, but what does science care about intentions or effort? If group 2 is just as immune as group 1, they are the same as far as science goes.
i dont give a fuck about intentions. i give a fuck about public safety. group 2 could still do more to that end. group 1 can't (i dont think asking them to get infected is a reasonable ask)

[DMC]

i dont give a fuck about intentions. i give a fuck about public safety. group 2 could still do more to that end. group 1 can't (i dont think asking them to get infected is a reasonable ask)
You're still giving an emotional "ought to" that isn't science based. Is the goal to get everyone to the same immunity level as vaxxed people or to have super immunity like those with both infections and vaxx?

"not doing enough" isn't a science based response. Results are all that matter.

[SnakeBoy]

2 and 3 are different

2, at this point, is a less dangerous group (though we've seen that even natural immunity is waning with time), but even they could bolster their level of immunity by getting vaccinated. that provides more protection to them, and by extension, the general public

the only way group 1 could bolster their immunity would be to get the disease, which is not a reasonable ask

Dangerous in what way?

[spurraider21]

You're still giving an emotional "ought to" that isn't science based. Is the goal to get everyone to the same immunity level as vaxxed people or to have super immunity like those with both infections and vaxx?

"not doing enough" isn't a science based response. Results are all that matter.
there is an assumed "ought to" here, that we ought to mitigate the harm of this disease through reasonable means.

obviously, there is no scientific basis to ever get vaccination or any medical care, because who says we "ought to" prevent any deaths. not need to be so pedantic. i'm aware that science answers "is" questions and not "ought" questions. i'm not trying to get bogged down in philosophy here.

the science says that people who have natural immunity get further protection when they get vaccinated, and that vaccination pose minimal risk.

[spurraider21]

Dangerous in what way?
i'll let you guess what i mean in the context of a contagious disease that has already killed 800k americans

[baseline bum]

+ that fuck face stole my $1200.

No, it was the fuckface kicked out of the White House on January 20th, 2021 that promised you $2800 and never delivered. But your duly elected President Biden had your back even though you're too much of a chickenshit to be grateful.

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No, it was the fuckface kicked out of the White House on January 20th, 2021 that promised you $2800 and never delivered. But your duly elected President Biden had your back even though you're too much of a chickenshit to be grateful.

No, I was clear; it was the fuckface squattin' in there right now that stole my 1200 smackers. He's a sack of shit that lies.

[Ef-man]

No, it was the fuckface kicked out of the White House on January 20th, 2021 that promised you $2800 and never delivered. But your duly elected President Biden had your back even though you're too much of a chickenshit to be grateful.

I heard that the $1,000 was loaned to Mexico so they could pay for the wall plus $200 was used to develop trump’s healthcare plan.

[Dirks_Finale]

but you just said you would choose getting vaccinated in that scenario :lol

Yes. I told you from the get go I am not anti vaxx.

You never addressed the issue of natural immunity. Is it sufficient or not?

[spurraider21]

Yes. I told you from the get go I am not anti vaxx.

You never addressed the issue of natural immunity. Is it sufficient or not?
ive addressed that may times i this thread


unvaccinated < vaccinated < natural immunity < natural immunity + vaccination

plus the jury is still out whether natural immunity wanes quicker than vaccination

[hater]

i dont give a fuck about intentions. i give a fuck about public safety. group 2 could still do more to that end. group 1 can't (i dont think asking them to get infected is a reasonable ask)

The virus dont give a fuck about your feelings.

[spurraider21]

The virus dont give a fuck about your feelings.
ok

[DarrinS]

Meh, you're all going to get it eventually.

[DMC]

there is an assumed "ought to" here, that we ought to mitigate the harm of this disease through reasonable means.

So you shouldn't see your relatives, shouldn't be in a restaurant, should wear a mask anywhere and everywhere. "Reasonable" is always a subjective term. Some people don't think it's reasonable to get a shot when they are just as immune as you, just to make you feel better about their contribution to the cause. I don't think you can use "reasonable means" here just to cherry pick methods that don't bother you. We should stick to the science. Isn't what you really saying is you'd feel better if people who have already been infected with COVID would get vaxxed because that would show they are doing more to mitigate the pandemic? It's certainly not about the science.


obviously, there is no scientific basis to ever get vaccination or any medical care, because who says we "ought to" prevent any deaths. not need to be so pedantic. i'm aware that science answers "is" questions and not "ought" questions. i'm not trying to get bogged down in philosophy here.

I asked above, what's your goal? If it's to get everyone to the same immunity level then what's the issue? Instead though, it seems the goal is to have the feeling that you did all you could, and everyone else played along, helpful or not. Hey, I shined my headlights into the home were people were freezing to death, that was providing at least some heat. Scientifically insignificant and I had no idea how much, but if everyone did it.. I'd feel better. Not sure who would survive, but the collective effort would show we all care.


the science says that people who have natural immunity get further protection when they get vaccinated, and that vaccination pose minimal risk. And it shows they have even further protection when you don't encounter them, so never visit your relatives. The risk you decide to take seems ok, but the risk they decide to take isn't because their risk doesn't cost you.

[spurraider21]

So you shouldn't see your relatives, shouldn't be in a restaurant, should wear a mask anywhere and everywhere. "Reasonable" is always a subjective term.
obviously reasonable is a subjective term. otherwise it would be really easy to deal with any political/public issue.


Some people don't think it's reasonable to get a shot when they are just as immune as you, just to make you feel better about their contribution to the cause.
complete strawman


I don't think you can use "reasonable means" here just to cherry pick methods that don't bother you.
i think reasonable means is a perfectly useful term. are there arguably public health benefits to things like mandatory daily testing and quarantines? sure, possibly. but we do balance that with the imposition we place on people's general liberty. its always a balancing act


We should stick to the science. Isn't what you really saying is you'd feel better if people who have already been infected with COVID would get vaxxed because that would show they are doing more to mitigate the pandemic? It's certainly not about the science.
first of all, what does "the science" say we should do? nothing. science doesnt answer "ought" questions. there is no big book of science that answers what policy is the correct one. how does science determine what level of infringement of liberty is appropriate? it doesnt.

as for the bolded, you keep going back to this strawman. its not about me "feeling" better. its not about people "showing" they are doing more. its about actual doing more and actually contributing to greater public safety


I asked above, what's your goal? If it's to get everyone to the same immunity level then what's the issue?
its not. its not a penis measuring contest about what your level of immunity is. the goal should be maximal herd immunity within reasonable means (ie not placing undue burdens on people). its about the greater public benefit, not an individual being able to hold a scoreboard about how many antibodies he has.

i dont care if you dont like the "reasonable" term. its how we guide public policy.


Instead though, it seems the goal is to have the feeling that you did all you could, and everyone else played along, helpful or not. Hey, I shined my headlights into the home were people were freezing to death, that was providing at least some heat. Scientifically insignificant and I had no idea how much, but if everyone did it.. I'd feel better. Not sure who would survive, but the collective effort would show we all care.
i know you want this to be my position, but its not, as stated above.


And it shows they have even further protection when you don't encounter them, so never visit your relatives. The risk you decide to take seems ok, but the risk they decide to take isn't because their risk doesn't cost you.
i dont think turning everybody into an antisocial bubble locked in their homes is a reasonable means to address covid-19

[spurraider21]

Meh, you're all going to get it eventually.
we're also all going to die eventually. might as well shut down all hospitals and cease all medical care for everybody

[SnakeBoy]

i'll let you guess what i mean in the context of a contagious disease that has already killed 800k americans

I'm guessing you still think vaccinated people can't be infected or spread the virus and unvaxxed are a danger to vaxxed :lol

[DarrinS]

we're also all going to die eventually. might as well shut down all hospitals and cease all medical care for everybody

Vaxxed people spreading it, too. Have to live with it now.

[DMC]

obviously reasonable is a subjective term. otherwise it would be really easy to deal with any political/public issue.

So why do you keep using it? Define "reasonable" if not a similar level of immunity? Is it the act that makes it reasonable, the attempt or the outcome?


complete strawman

You just admitted it's a subjective term. Being as such, to satisfy it in your mind would mean it makes you feel better about the effort.


i think reasonable means is a perfectly useful term. are there arguably public health benefits to things like mandatory daily testing and quarantines? sure, possibly. but we do balance that with the imposition we place on people's general liberty. its always a balancing act

It's a balancing act but what's the center point other than your personal opinion on reasonableness?


first of all, what does "the science" say we should do? nothing. science doesnt answer "ought" questions. there is no big book of science that answers what policy is the correct one. how does science determine what level of infringement of liberty is appropriate? it doesnt.

If it's an "ought" question then you need to explain how similar levels of immunity don't create similar levels of outcome because one of those levels "could" be better therefore "ought" to be.


as for the bolded, you keep going back to this strawman. its not about me "feeling" better. its not about people "showing" they are doing more. its about actual doing more and actually contributing to greater public safety
It's absolutely about you feeling better. You staying home and not visiting your relatives and doing all the "muh freedoms" things I mentioned already would be you contributing to a greater level of public safety. You choose not to because the reward isn't worth the cost. You'd feel better if other people gave up what they consider to be their own freedoms and become more immune than you, therefore providing you with a better public safety environment so you can have your freedoms without needing to do anything of the sort. These people are at least as safe as you.


its not. its not a penis measuring contest about what your level of immunity is. the goal should be maximal herd immunity within reasonable means (ie not placing undue burdens on people). its about the greater public benefit, not an individual being able to hold a scoreboard about how many antibodies he has.

There you go with the "within reasonable means" comment. That caveat puts a moat between your position and theirs because, as I said, you're asking for something but giving nothing in return. You're not going to avoid seeing your loved ones, you want all the mandates to go away and everyone to just do what you want (it seems you're the arbiter for "reasonable" in this discussion) so you can feel better. It's always about feeling better.


i dont care if you dont like the "reasonable" term. its how we guide public policy.

The term is fine but in order to use it you need to show how it's reasonable to insist that someone with the same level of immunity as you go even further to become even more immune than you, to protect you and others like you. Are these people not only responsible to live through COVID itself but to become super immune because it benefits the motherland?


i know you want this to be my position, but its not, as stated above.


i don't think turning everybody into an antisocial bubble locked in their homes is a reasonable means to address covid-19Not surprisingly, you're against an act that requires sacrifice on your part but think it's reasonable to expect others to sacrifice for you. If public safety is job 1, where's your contribution? If you're going to say it's that you've been vaxxed, all you did was raise your immunity to a level they were already. How does that make you a hero or them any less so?

[spurraider21]

I got vaccinated. I expect others to, too. I’m not expecting anybody to do this i wouldn’t do or haven’t already done.

[Winehole23]

Vaxxed people spreading it, too. Have to live with it now.seems to be your position that nothing whatsoever should be done to mitigate morbidity and mortality. is that right?

[hater]

I got vaccinated. I expect others to, too. I’m not expecting anybody to do this i wouldn’t do or haven’t already done.

Fascist logic

[DMC]

I got vaccinated. I expect others to, too. I’m not expecting anybody to do this i wouldn’t do or haven’t already done.

i covered that already in the last line.

Their immunity level = 95% after COVID
Your immunity level = 95% after vax

Why does it matter how you got there? If anything you took the easy route.

Maybe a better argument for your side is that those with natural immunity could/should remove themselves from the registers of re-infected people completely by becoming super-immune and that those who are vaxxed without natural immunity should be number 2, not number 1.

The counter could be data that shows even vaxxed COVID survivors get reinfected. I personally know someone who has been vaxxed to the 3rd injection, survived COVID and still has a low antibody count.

But those COVID survivors who won't get vaxxed don't believe you have a leg to stand on since they believe they are as immune as you, so no more dangerous to society than you. We could all do more, but what's really reasonable?

[spurraider21]

i covered that already in the last line.

Their immunity level = 95% after COVID
Your immunity level = 95% after vax

Why does it matter how you got there? If anything you took the easy route.

Maybe a better argument for your side is that those with natural immunity could/should remove themselves from the registers of re-infected people completely by becoming super-immune and that those who are vaxxed without natural immunity should be number 2, not number 1.

The counter could be data that shows even vaxxed COVID survivors get reinfected. I personally know someone who has been vaxxed to the 3rd injection, survived COVID and still has a low antibody count.

But those COVID survivors who won't get vaxxed don't believe you have a leg to stand on since they believe they are as immune as you, so no more dangerous to society than you. We could all do more, but what's really reasonable?
You keep treating it like a competition for how much immunity person a has over person b.

im looking at the big picture of how safe the population is. If there is a group of people who are willingly staying unvaccinated, whether or not they already have natural immunity, we are unnecessarily avoiding easy steps to up our level of herd immunity.

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& blue state Pennsylvania starts us off of a Saturday morn with 133 new deaths.

Let us proceed...

[Winehole23]

You keep treating it like a competition for how much immunity person a has over person b.

im looking at the big picture of how safe the population is. If there is a group of people who are willingly staying unvaccinated, whether or not they already have natural immunity, we are unnecessarily avoiding easy steps to up our level of herd immunity.DMC can't see the forest, just individual trees.

[DMC]

You keep treating it like a competition for how much immunity person a has over person b.

im looking at the big picture of how safe the population is. If there is a group of people who are willingly staying unvaccinated, whether or not they already have natural immunity, we are unnecessarily avoiding easy steps to up our level of herd immunity.

I keep treating it like it should be a personal choice if they are no more dangerous than you. It's their body.

You haven't defined your goal in any terms other than effort, everyone should do everything they can to mitigate the spread of the virus but that doesn't address what actually mitigates the spread. You've discounted social distancing when your own personal life is impacted, as unreasonable. So it must then be the level of immunity to the virus itself. But then you indicate that's not good enough either if there's more they can do. For them, there is no "unreasonable" but for you there is.

[DMC]

DMC can't see the forest, just individual trees.

He says about the individual tree

[Winehole23]

He says about the individual treeyou're either being dense or intentionally obtuse about population level effects of general behaviors.

[DMC]

you're either being dense or intentionally obtuse about population level effects of general behaviors.

It comes down to what's reasonable and that happens to be an individually subjective concept. You don't have to like it.

[Winehole23]

It comes down to what's reasonable and that happens to be an individually subjective concept. You don't have to like it.The administration of public health comes down to population level effects of policy. You don't have to like it.

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Another blue state reporting in of a Saturday afternoon. The land of coyotes, of NBA Old Maid Phoenix Suns, the land of $2.29 a gallon turned $3.96 a gallon. Yes, the great state of Arizona lodging 164 dead of COVID!

Let us proceed...

[Chad.]

Don't argue with science goy!

Do you have a PhD from an (((approved))) university?

https://nomoresilence.world/miscellaneous/pedro-obiang-covid-19-vaccine-severe-adverse-reaction/

[ElNono]

I got vaccinated. I expect others to, too. I’m not expecting anybody to do this i wouldn’t do or haven’t already done.


Fascist logic

How is it fascist logic? expectations don't force anybody to do anything. Lay off the whisky in the morning.

[spurraider21]

I keep treating it like it should be a personal choice if they are no more dangerous than you. It's their body.

You haven't defined your goal in any terms other than effort, everyone should do everything they can to mitigate the spread of the virus but that doesn't address what actually mitigates the spread. You've discounted social distancing when your own personal life is impacted, as unreasonable. So it must then be the level of immunity to the virus itself. But then you indicate that's not good enough either if there's more they can do. For them, there is no "unreasonable" but for you there is.
It’s not an individual concern though. It’s a public health concern.

And social distancing doesn’t mean the same thing as quarantining yourself non your home and never seeing family. But you know this, and are dishonest

[DMC]

The administration of public health comes down to population level effects of policy. You don't have to like it.

How's that working for you?

That's what I thought.

[DMC]

It’s not an individual concern though. It’s a public health concern.

And social distancing doesn’t mean the same thing as quarantining yourself non your home and never seeing family. But you know this, and are dishonest

The public is made up of individuals. The strength of public health relies on the strength of individual health. You pretend the strength of the structure doesn't rely on the strength of individual components because you have a simplistic view of the issue. You won't convince these people to do things they consider risky and unnecessary with the reasoning being that it's good for the public. You have to show them how it's good for the individual. But keep your blinders on and pretend you have the answer and no one will listen to you. You're arguing public health from an admin perspective and I am arguing individual choice from an individual perspective. You cannot be the entire public and you're not the admin, but I am the individual. So you're just creating a windmill to joust and screaming "dishonesty" when you cannot topple it. Good luck with it.

[ChumpDumper]

DMC just pretended he had the answer.

[Winehole23]

How's that working for you?Worked great April and May of 2020, ditto masking and social distancing, back when broadly observed.

Vaccination has protected the country significantly against morbidity and mortality, so another big win for public health there. Could have been better for sure, but policy, like people, is imperfect

[DarrinS]

Whinehole probably jealous of Australia's "camps". :lol

[Winehole23]

Whinehole probably jealous of Australia's "camps". :lolNope.

South Korea and Taiwan.

[DMC]

Worked great last April and May, ditto masking and social distancing, back when broadly observed.

Vaccination has protected the country significantly against morbidity and mortality, so another big win for public health there. Could have been better for sure, but policy, like people, is imperfect

Didn't work so great for people who lost loved ones. You're a chart watcher and you assign credit or blame without knowing facts. You rely on tweets to get your information.

[SnakeBoy]

Record COVID cases, deaths in heavily vaccinated South Korea
https://nypost.com/2021/12/04/south-korea-sees-record-number-of-covid-cases-deaths/

[Winehole23]

Didn't work so great for people who lost loved ones. You're a chart watcher and you assign credit or blame without knowing facts. You rely on tweets to get your information.I cite a great variety of sources, far more than most posters here, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

boosted antibooster vaxxed antivaxx Snakeboy checks in....

[SnakeBoy]

boosted antibooster vaxxed antivaxx Snakeboy checks in....

Triple dosed Chump still mad his friends won't listen to him

[ElNono]

Record COVID cases, deaths in heavily vaccinated South Korea
https://nypost.com/2021/12/04/south-korea-sees-record-number-of-covid-cases-deaths/

The Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency said that there were 5,352 new cases of COVID and 70 deaths over the past 24 hours, each a record high for the country in the nearly two-year-long outbreak.

South Korea’s COVID death toll now stands at 3,809, while new daily cases topped 5,000 three times this week.

The troubling numbers come despite a high vaccination rate and widespread compliance with mask policies among South Koreans.

First world problems I guess... would kill for the US to have those record highs, tbh...

[ChumpDumper]

Triple dosed Chump still mad his friends won't listen to himYou already folded three times in that conversation.

Do you want to fold again?