Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[ChumpDumper]

Subway seems a bit sketchy to me. All those plastic containers with meat, veg, that get opened constantly. I'm a hard pass on Subway.:lol what do you think happens in other restaurants? I can only hope they're masking up in addition to all the other stuff.

[baseline bum]

Most have already closed.

The ones that remain open are the tiny ones who cant afford to close. Closing means going out of business forever for them.

I'm being a lazy fuck and ordering pizza. Done so the last 3 nights. The delivery guy is decked out in gloves and mask. Fucking weird to see. :lol

Man if I was in NYC I would be scared shitless to eat anything but what I can cook at home.

[midnightpulp]

If you're offering, I'd like to read a couple of the transmissibility links you're looking at. Thanks

Keep in mind this is working off the Wuhan data:


Calculations of the virus’s basic reproduction number, or R0 — the number of people on average one infected person will pass the virus to — suggest a range of 2–2.5.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00758-2

I would expect the R0 to be a bit lower in less densely populated areas.

Seasonal strains of flu can be anywhere from 0.9 to 2.0, and in this case we get a more accurate picture since we have a history of data to work with.


R0 values estimated for seasonal strains of influenza (mean R0 1.3: range 0.9 to 2.1).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19545404

Dr. Paul Auwaeter believes:


“If you have a COVID-19 patient in your household, your risk of developing the infection is about 10%….If you were casually exposed to the virus in the workplace (e.g., you were not locked up in conference room for six hours with someone who was infected [like a hospital]), your chance of infection is about 0.5%”

His brief talk on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN25KVrAZs4

[ChumpDumper]

Man if I was in NYC I would be scared shitless to eat anything but what I can cook at home.Canned everything.

[DarrinS]

Ask midnightpulp, he's got it all figured out.

Nobody has it figured out. It may not turn out as optimistic as the Oxford study, but definitely not as fire as worst case studies. Recovered and the dead don't spread.

[Blake]

:lol what do you think happens in other restaurants? I can only hope they're masking up in addition to all the other stuff.

Well if you can't see what they're doing then it's safer

[Blake]

Man if I was in NYC I would be scared shitless to eat anything but what I can cook at home.

Are the hot dog vendors still working?

[DarrinS]

Can corona survive your stomach acid?

[RandomGuy]

Are you guys trying to support local restaurants with take out?

Or, paranoid about it?

Cannot afford to. If it was just me... I would, and tip really well.

But

I am currently holed up with my 76 year old dad. Came up right before everything, because he had a minor surgery. Decided to stay when I saw this coming, as I can work remotely. Boss closed office last week, so I simply stayed. Sucks I am separated from my wife and sons, one of which has asthma. She isn't eating any take out either, and is as terrified for my son, as I am for my father.

Just not a risk worth taking, IMO.

[midnightpulp]

Feel free to provide more links I don't doubt you have sources.

Would you characterize the epidemiology as broadly in agreement or settled on the questions of mortality and transmissibility?

If not, can you provide any examples contrary to your argument?

No. So you have to weigh all the information and come to your own conclusions. That's all we can do. I lean more toward the "optimistic" side, at least relative to the 60 million/3 million dead scenarios. I also believe we won't become the next Italy in terms of mortality rate.

[Blake]

Keep in mind this is working off the Wuhan data:



https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00758-2

I would expect the R0 to be a bit lower in less densely populated areas.

Seasonal strains of flu can be anywhere from 0.9 to 2.0, and in this case we get a more accurate picture since we have a history of data to work with.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19545404

Dr. Paul Auwaeter believes:



His brief talk on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN25KVrAZs4

Thanks. Nice little chart from that link:

https://media.nature.com/lw800/magazine-assets/d41586-020-00758-2/d41586-020-00758-2_17810952.png

[RandomGuy]

Can corona survive your stomach acid?

Viruses that live in lungs? I doubt it. If soap can kill the lipids layer shell, then the acid is probably not very hospitable. the attachment points are for lung cells, I doubt stomach cells have similar enough molecular physiology. Dunno, though. Interesting question.

[Blake]

Cannot afford to. If it was just me... I would, and tip really well.

But

I am currently holed up with my 76 year old dad. Came up right before everything, because he had a minor surgery. Decided to stay when I saw this coming, as I can work remotely. Boss closed office last week, so I simply stayed. Sucks I am separated from my wife and sons, one of which has asthma. She isn't eating any take out either, and is as terrified for my son, as I am for my father.

Just not a risk worth taking, IMO.

Sorry to hear. Luckily there's Skype

[phxspurfan]

:lmao some posts are not aging well :lol

my bad ma nig Phx u a good poster

:lol but anyway


yeah maybe it kind of is overblown in the big scheme of things, since you only get tested if u have big time symptoms or complications. Lots of people I have talked to think (wish) they had it (and already beat it/have antibodies) because they had a cough and maybe a fever or headache for a few days...

[RandomGuy]

Well shit, my brother just went into ICU with a fever 103.1. he is severely immunocompromised having continually battled Guillain-Barre syndrome for the last 10 years. His kidneys are gone and he's on dialysis so if this is Corona it might be a real problem for him.

Yikes. Hope you stay safe man.

[spurraider21]

Well shit, my brother just went into ICU with a fever 103.1. he is severely immunocompromised having continually battled Guillain-Barre syndrome for the last 10 years. His kidneys are gone and he's on dialysis so if this is Corona it might be a real problem for him.
fuck :depressed

best of luck, hopefully its not the corona

[phxspurfan]

Nobody has it figured out. It may not turn out as optimistic as the Oxford study, but definitely not as fire as worst case studies. Recovered and the dead don't spread.

Until they become zombies

[midnightpulp]

Thanks. Nice little chart from that link:

https://media.nature.com/lw800/magazine-assets/d41586-020-00758-2/d41586-020-00758-2_17810952.png

Remember, just working off Wuhan. We won't know the truth mortality rate for awhile. Germany is running under 1 percent, because they have the greatest ratio of mild cases tested to severe cases tested.


Crucially, Germany started testing people even with milder symptoms relatively early on, meaning the total number of confirmed cases may give a more accurate picture of the virus’s spread than in other states.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/germany-low-coronavirus-mortality-rate-puzzles-experts

[spurraider21]

Are you guys trying to support local restaurants with take out?

Or, paranoid about it?
honestly, havent had takeout in a couple of weeks now. we're at a point where we just want as few people as possible being in contact with the food we eat. certainly, at various points in the process of food getting onto the shelves, people will get in contact with it, and that's a given. doesn't mean we can't minimize it.

even when getting produce, i'm always looking for packaged goods (bagged potatoes/onions/apples instead of hand picking them, etc). and i've been buying packaged/frozen meats instead of getting them from the counter. just until this thing blows over

ironically our favorite takeout place near us is a chinese place :lol... extra stigma

[RandomGuy]

Sorry to hear. Luckily there's Skype

Discord. It is what my kids use. Pretty nice program, all things considered.

[DarrinS]

Cannot afford to. If it was just me... I would, and tip really well.

But

I am currently holed up with my 76 year old dad. Came up right before everything, because he had a minor surgery. Decided to stay when I saw this coming, as I can work remotely. Boss closed office last week, so I simply stayed. Sucks I am separated from my wife and sons, one of which has asthma. She isn't eating any take out either, and is as terrified for my son, as I am for my father.

Just not a risk worth taking, IMO.


Sorry to hear that. Has to be very stressful.

On the positive side, he had his surgery and got out of there before shit went crazy.

My mother is the same age. Luckily, she has this awesome neighbor that gets things for her at the store.

[boutons_deux]

How the Pandemic Will End

The U.S. may end up with the worst COVID-19 outbreak in the industrialized world.

This is how it’s going to play out.

More transmissible and fatal than seasonal influenza,

the new coronavirus is also stealthier (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/biography-new-coronavirus/608338/),

spreading from one host to another for several days before triggering obvious symptoms.

To contain such a pathogen,

nations must develop a test and use it

to identify infected people,

isolate them, and

trace those they’ve had contact with.

That is what South Korea, Singapore, and Hong Kong did to tremendous effect.

It is what the United States did not.

That a biomedical powerhouse like the U.S. should so thoroughly fail to create a very simple diagnostic test was, quite literally, unimaginable.

“I’m not aware of any simulations that I or others have run where we [considered] a failure of testing,”

The testing fiasco was the original sin of America’s pandemic failure, the single flaw that undermined every other countermeasure.

the White House is a ghost town (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/03/trump-budget-cuts-science/519825/) of scientific expertise.

A pandemic-preparedness office that was part of the National Security Council was dissolved in 2018 (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/05/white-house-loses-global-health-security-lead-as-a-new-ebola-outbreak-hits/560195/).

On January 28, Luciana Borio, who was part of that team,

urged the government (https://www.wsj.com/articles/act-now-to-prevent-an-american-epidemic-11580255335) to “act now to prevent an American epidemic,” and

specifically to work with the private sector to develop fast, easy diagnostic tests.

But with the office shuttered, those warnings were published in The Wall Street Journal, rather than spoken into the president’s ear.

Instead of springing into action, America sat idle.

Rudderless, blindsided, lethargic, and uncoordinated,

America has mishandled the COVID-19 crisis to a substantially worse degree than what every health expert I’ve spoken with had feared.

“The U.S. may end up with the worst outbreak in the industrialized world.”

COVID-19 is a slow and long illness.

As of last weekend, the nation had 17,000 confirmed cases, but the actual number was probably somewhere between 60,000 and 245,000 (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-are-sick-lost-february/608521/).

Even a perfect response won’t end the pandemic.

As long as the virus persists somewhere, there’s a chance that

one infected traveler will reignite fresh sparks in countries that have already extinguished their fires.

This is already happening in China, Singapore, and other Asian countries that briefly seemed to have the virus under control.

the odds of worldwide synchronous control seem vanishingly small.

the virus does what past flu pandemics have done: It burns through the world and leaves behind enough immune survivors that it eventually struggles to find viable hosts.

come at a terrible cost (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/all-side-effects-few-benefits/608599/): SARS-CoV-2 is more transmissible and fatal than the flu, and it would likely leave behind many millions of corpses and a trail of devastated health systems.

third scenario is that the world plays a protracted game of whack-a-mole with the virus,

there are no existing vaccines for coronaviruses—until now, these viruses seemed to cause diseases that were mild or rare—so researchers must start from scratch.

No matter which strategy is faster, Berkley and others estimate that it will take 12 to 18 months to develop a proven vaccine, and

then longer still to make it, ship it, and inject it into people’s arms.

duration of immunity. When people are infected by the milder human coronaviruses that cause cold-like symptoms, they remain immune for less than a year.

The cost of reaching that point, with as few deaths as possible, will be enormous.

, a secondary pandemic of mental-health problems will follow. At a moment of profound dread and uncertainty, people are being cut off from soothing human contact.

Elderly people, who are already excluded from much of public life, are being asked to distance themselves even further, deepening their loneliness.

One to two years after SARS hit Toronto, people who dealt with the outbreak (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17326946) were still less productive and more likely to be experiencing burnout and post-traumatic stress.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=politics-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20200325&silverid-ref=NjMwMjkwNjYyOTQ2S0 (https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=politics-daily-newsletter&utm_content=20200325&silverid-ref=NjMwMjkwNjYyOTQ2S0)

[Reck]

Man if I was in NYC I would be scared shitless to eat anything but what I can cook at home.

Mostly canned shit. Gets old at some point.

At worst I can live off snacks and shit but in the long term that's just not healthy. Granted pizza is no better but what are you gonna do? I cant cook and I live alone.

[Reck]

Are the hot dog vendors still working?

I saw one stantioned near a best buy when I went out last week. Nobody was biting. :lol

[DarrinS]

Mostly canned shit. Gets old at some point.

At worst I can live off snacks and shit but in the long term that's just not healthy. Granted pizza is no better but what are you gonna do? I cant cook and I live alone.


Stay safe. Hopefully, you're young and healthy. I'm an old fart who drinks and smokes too much. But, I'm thin and don't have the beetus.

[MannyIsGod]

Nobody has it figured out. It may not turn out as optimistic as the Oxford study, but definitely not as fire as worst case studies. Recovered and the dead don't spread.



Well yeah. We've acted even if it's piecemeal. The worst case was with zero action. But that being said, our half ass d efforts are going to cause people to die

[Nathan89]

Are you guys trying to support local restaurants with take out?

Or, paranoid about it?

Paranoid about it.

[MannyIsGod]

No. So you have to weigh all the information and come to your own conclusions. That's all we can do. I lean more toward the "optimistic" side, at least relative to the 60 million/3 million dead scenarios. I also believe we won't become the next Italy in terms of mortality rate.

3 million definitely is fairly out of range. Poor social distancing is still way better than no action.

[DarrinS]

Well yeah. We've acted even if it's piecemeal. The worst case was with zero action. But that being said, our half ass d efforts are going to cause people to die

Slow rollout of testing was an epic fail, for sure

[slick'81]

The good news: coronavirus is not foodborne. That means you can't get the coronavirus by ingesting food. You can get it from people, of course, those who sneeze, cough or exhale the coronavirus. Which is why we're told not to touch others, nor stay too close to others, and to wash our hands often.
But still, do you need to worry about how you handle food? What if someone sneezed on your apple? Can you still eat your steak rare? What about sushi – is it safe to eat?
We asked two food scientists at Rutgers University – graduate program director Donald Schaffner and professor emeritus Thomas Montville – on how tobest handle food to protect us against the coronavirus.
Question:Experts say the coronavirus is not foodborne. Yet, they strongly suspect animals in China – in a food market, no less – were the likely source of the initial infection. So doesn't that mean that it is foodborne?
Donald Schaffner: It's thought that the virus was transmitted by animals not by eating them but by having close proximity to the animals. Viruses can jump between species and that's what most probably happened. Most probably it was a respiratory transmission.
How to care for your dry, raw handsafter washing them to prevent coronavirus (https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2020/03/13/coronavirus-concern-how-care-hands-after-washing-and-sanitizing-them-so-much/5038941002/)

Question:Experts say the coronavirus is not foodborne. Yet, they strongly suspect animals in China – in a food market, no less – were the likely source of the initial infection. So doesn't that mean that it is foodborne?
Donald Schaffner: It's thought that the virus was transmitted by animals not by eating them but by having close proximity to the animals. Viruses can jump between species and that's what most probably happened. Most probably it was a respiratory transmission.
How to care for your dry, raw handsafter washing them to prevent coronavirus (https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2020/03/13/coronavirus-concern-how-care-hands-after-washing-and-sanitizing-them-so-much/5038941002/)
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/5c8bf163d61d56de560dacb3f845b9116f1adc6e/c=118-0-2003-1414/local/-/media/2020/03/12/USATODAY/usatsports/fresh-food-prep-meal-kit-getty-2.jpg?width=540&height=405&fit=crop (Photo: Getty Images)


Question: Do I need to wash fruits and vegetables for a longer time due to the coronavirus? Do I need to “sanitize” them with soap?
Thomas Montville: Wash your fruits and vegetables as usual, or even with a little warm soapy water. We should always wash our fruits and vegetables. That's just good safety practice.
Question:What about meat? While the virus is not foodborne, what if the butcher has coronavirus and touched the meat? Can I now get the virus?
Montville: Cooking would kill the virus.
Schaffner:Scientists will never say anything is at zero risk, but I'm not worried at all about getting the coronavirus from food. Hypothetically, yes, perhaps your piece of meat could have the virus on it. But your stomach acids will kill it. Plus the coronavirus is not equipped to get through your intestine's walls, which is how foodborne diseases make you sick.
Question:What about raw foods, like sushi or steak tartare?
Montville: You will never find a food scientist who eats tartare. It can be contaminated with pathogenic bacteria – E. coli, salmonella, listeria. In fact, it's a risk to eat a hamburger rare. As far as sushi, I just don't eat it.


Question: What about all the paper bags food comes in? Do I need to worry about them?
Montville: There's no scientific data that's related to that. It's believed that the virus can survive on cardboard for 24 hours; steel or wood for maybe three days. The mantra in food science is: Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands.And cook your food.
Esther Davidowitz is the food editor for NorthJersey.com. For more on where to dine and drink, please subscribe today (https://offers.northjersey.com/rjwon?gps-source=CPNEWS&utm_medium=onsite&utm_source=news&utm_campaign=NEWSROOM&utm_content=CPNEWS) and sign up for our North Jersey Eats newsletter (https://profile.northjersey.com/newsletters/manage/).

[MannyIsGod]

We have a fill stocked fridge but have been getting take out and delivery to support local business. We're all in this together.

[DarrinS]

3 million definitely is fairly out of range. Poor social distancing is still way better than no action.


People just being mindful and having better hand hygiene should have significant benefits.

I would not get on an elevator or any form of public transport at this point.

[Nathan89]

People are going to shit on me for posting this, but he should ask his doctor for that hydrocloroquine and z-pak coctail.

Aka fish tank cleaner

[MannyIsGod]

Slow rollout of testing was an epic fail, for sure

Honestly they haven't followed any of the plans laid out for them for this. The leadership at the federal level is atrocious. Then at the state level it's good in some places and awful in others like Mississippi.

[DarrinS]

We have a fill stocked fridge but have been getting take out and delivery to support local business. We're all in this together.

I ordered a couple of pizzas on Tuesday and the delivery guy was so grateful that it made me tear up a bit. Gave him a generous tip and told him to be safe.

[RandomGuy]

Sorry to hear that. Has to be very stressful.

On the positive side, he had his surgery and got out of there before shit went crazy.

My mother is the same age. Luckily, she has this awesome neighbor that gets things for her at the store.

Well, it is more time than I have spent iwth him than I have since I joined the army.

Had to go back to the hospital for some paperwork, and they had already started limiting visitors and taking temperatures.

I am used to getting the occasional "thanks for your service", and it occurred to me that it was my turn to thank the floor nurses. I knew what was coming. They blushed a bit, but it seemed important to me for them to get that sense of people having their back before things got heavy.

Seeing the first hand accounts of the medical personnel responding, I think we may be doing the same.

We have plunked down trillions for wars... maybe time to plunk down a bit for pandemic preparedness.

[DarrinS]

Honestly they haven't followed any of the plans laid out for them for this. The leadership at the federal level is atrocious. Then at the state level it's good in some places and awful in others like Mississippi.

I just listen to Fauci at this point. I think our local leadership (in SA) has done a good job.

[ChumpDumper]

Cannot afford to. If it was just me... I would, and tip really well.

But

I am currently holed up with my 76 year old dad. Came up right before everything, because he had a minor surgery. Decided to stay when I saw this coming, as I can work remotely. Boss closed office last week, so I simply stayed. Sucks I am separated from my wife and sons, one of which has asthma. She isn't eating any take out either, and is as terrified for my son, as I am for my father.

Just not a risk worth taking, IMO.Yep, that changes everything.

[DarrinS]

Well, it is more time than I have spent iwth him than I have since I joined the army.

Had to go back to the hospital for some paperwork, and they had already started limiting visitors and taking temperatures.

I am used to getting the occasional "thanks for your service", and it occurred to me that it was my turn to thank the floor nurses. I knew what was coming. They blushed a bit, but it seemed important to me for them to get that sense of people having their back before things got heavy.

Seeing the first hand accounts of the medical personnel responding, I think we may be doing the same.

We have plunked down trillions for wars... maybe time to plunk down a bit for pandemic preparedness.


Definitely more equipment, for sure.

I am optimistic about the scientific efforts going on right now.

[spurraider21]

damn, now i feel like an asshole for not getting takeout

[DarrinS]

We didn't ban travel from China until end of January (which was heavily criticized). I can only imagine how much better we'd be if that ban was on Jan. 1.

[spurraider21]

Mostly canned shit. Gets old at some point.

At worst I can live off snacks and shit but in the long term that's just not healthy. Granted pizza is no better but what are you gonna do? I cant cook and I live alone.
there are some very easy/basic meals you can learn to cook on your own besides canned food.

must be expensive as fuck not being able to prep meals tbh :lol... before i moved and still worked out of the office, i would still bring homemade lunches from home to work every day (except fridays where lunches were provided) and would marvel when staff/secretaries would go out to get lunch every day. that shit adds up. then again a lot of those were kids who lived with parents, didnt have many bills, etc.

[DarrinS]

there are some very easy/basic meals you can learn to cook on your own besides canned food.

must be expensive as fuck not being able to prep meals tbh :lol


And there are plenty of decent frozen meals.

[ChumpDumper]

Honestly they haven't followed any of the plans laid out for them for this. The leadership at the federal level is atrocious. Then at the state level it's good in some places and awful in others like Mississippi.They literally had a playbook called "The Playbook."

“Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for healthcare workers who are providing medical care?” the playbook instructs its readers, as one early decision that officials should address when facing a potential pandemic. “If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?”

Jesus.

[spurraider21]

this is our starter kit for about 3/4 of the meals we make. soups, pastas, or even mixed with rice. does the annoying work for you. and it comes packaged so you dont have to worry about dozens of customers having touched the food

https://www.traderjoes.com/TJ_CMS_Content/Images/fearless-flyer/uploads/article-5137/90741-mirepoix.jpg

[RandomGuy]

Well yeah. We've acted even if it's piecemeal. The worst case was with zero action. But that being said, our half ass d efforts are going to cause people to die

Eyup. When one does an organizational analysis for risks, and risk mitigation strategies, i.e. leadership, you look for the "tone at the top" and how that gets promulgated.

Trumps early downplaying of this set the tone for all the general lackadaisical stuff that followed after it. Fox followed suit for a week or two and that was enough for it to sink into the collective cult. Even when he reversed message, the damage had already been done.

It is kind of shocking to watch. His instinct to make himself seem better at his job than he actually is, i.e. image over substance, is literally going to kill people.

[Chinook]

this is our starter kit for about 3/4 of the meals we make. soups, pastas, or even mixed with rice. does the annoying work for you. and it comes packaged so you dont have to worry about dozens of customers having touched the food

https://www.traderjoes.com/TJ_CMS_Content/Images/fearless-flyer/uploads/article-5137/90741-mirepoix.jpg

Man, I'm lucky to get any produce at HEB. I normally get something like that for a lazy weeknight. Now, I wish they did have those. That said, my strategy at the store has almost been the opposite of that. Rather than avoiding food people touched, I take anything I touch. I don't want to have corona and be spreading it around trying to find the perfect apple or something. I can always wash it off at home.

[ChumpDumper]

Man, I'm lucky to get any produce at HEB. I normally get something like that for a lazy weeknight. Now, I wish they did have those. That said, my strategy at the store has almost been the opposite of that. Rather than avoiding food people touched, I take anything I touch. I don't want to have corona and be spreading it around trying to find the perfect apple or something. I can always wash it off at home.Not even bothering with fresh produce ATM. Frozen and canned are just fine for now.

[Spurminator]

damn, now i feel like an asshole for not getting takeout

Dude we understand, it's hard to eat out on a lawyer's salary.

[RandomGuy]

They literally had a playbook called "The Playbook."

“Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for healthcare workers who are providing medical care?” the playbook instructs its readers, as one early decision that officials should address when facing a potential pandemic. “If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?”

Jesus.

Eyup. This whole fucking thing is a text-book case of mismanagement. Inconsistent messaging, unscientific advice, failure to practice plans, etc. The campaign ads are already writing themselves.

[boutons_deux]

to repeat, the 2009/2010 H1N1 swine flu hit 60M in USA with about .02% (12500 dead / 60M )

why would the more stealthy, more transmissible coronavirus infect fewer in 2020/2021?

[Chinook]

Not even bothering with fresh produce ATM. Frozen and canned are just fine for now.

I need muh fresh serranos. I'd rather save canned stuff just in case shit really hits the fan (which is probably won't, but who knows at point?). I did get an earful returning home having forgotten the frozen veggies though.

[DMC]

Make a lot of beef stew and bag that shit for the freezer. It's actually better after heated than when it was fresh tbh

[DarrinS]

to repeat, the 2009/2010 H1N1 swine flu hit 60M in USA with about .02% (12500 dead / 60M )

why would the more stealthy, more transmissible coronavirus infect fewer in 2020/2021?




No lockdowns

[Trainwreck2100]

I need muh fresh serranos. I'd rather save canned stuff just in case shit really hits the fan (which is probably won't, but who knows at point?). I did get an earful returning home having forgotten the frozen veggies though.

part of the reason i ain't invaded my pantry

[hater]

just saw d interview of CNN with Peter Navarro in charge of supply chain:wow

:lmao we all gone die

[baseline bum]

damn, now i feel like an asshole for not getting takeout

Why? Every time you get takeout that's another chance for the virus to transmit through the fault of no one since the incubation period is so long. I don't think skipping takeout is paranoid at all.

[slick'81]

part of the reason i ain't invaded my pantry

it really is a give and take. Unfortunately we all dont have months of food stock piled away right now

[midnightpulp]

to repeat, the 2009/2010 H1N1 swine flu hit 60M in USA with about .02% (12500 dead / 60M )

why would the more stealthy, more transmissible coronavirus infect fewer in 2020/2021?



You'll dismiss what I say, but your Atlantic article was a pop sci piece and was referencing sources that are two weeks old with conclusions based off the Wuhan situation. No one really knows the "true" R0 of Covid-19.


Dr. Paul Auwaerter @ Johns Hopkins on COVID-19 -

“More closed environments may have a higher R naught than the general numbers reported. Sometimes this is due to a superspreader, most though probably due to crowding and vulnerability (e.g., elderly)”

A city like Wuhan with a dense population is a lot more "closed" than less dense population cities, meaning the R0 is going to naturally be higher in such an environment. From the WHO report:


When a cluster of several infected people occurred in China, it was most often (78-85%) caused by an infection within the family by droplets and other carriers of infection in close contact with an infected person. Transmission by fine aerosols in the air over long distances is not one of the main causes of spread. Most of the 2,055 infected hospital workers were either infected at home or in the early phase of the outbreak in Wuhan when hospital safeguards were not raised yet.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

The Wuhan data no doubt skews the R0 factor higher. Transmissibility won't be the same in San Antonio.

About it being "stealthier." From the CDC's own mouth:


People are thought to be most contagious when they are most symptomatic (the sickest).

Some spread might be possible before people show symptoms; there have been reports of this occurring with this new coronavirus, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

The virus being "stealthy" is overstated and/or inconclusive.

[ChumpDumper]

it really is a give and take. Unfortunately we all dont have months of food stock piled away right nowGonna have a month's worth from now on. Any longer and the walking dead can have me.

http://i.imgur.com/ENOCytL.gif

[Winehole23]

Ventilators?

Can't afford 'em.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/us/politics/coronavirus-ventilators-trump.html

[hater]

NYC just approved plugging in multiple patients to 1 ventilator

[boutons_deux]

The virus being "stealthy" is overstated and/or inconclusive.

duh, CDC statement

being asymptomatic or slightly symptomatic, aka the stealthy problem, doesn't mean they aren't infectious, which is a big point of emphasis, NOT understated, from Italy's doctors.

Haven't heard much from Spain, but why would it be different?

[Reck]

Ventilators?

Can't afford 'em.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/26/us/politics/coronavirus-ventilators-trump.html

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Greatest conman in history or are people just that fucking stupid to support this guy?

:lol Half the country thinking he's handling the crisis great. 'murica!

[MannyIsGod]

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[Reck]

NYC just approved plugging in multiple patients to 1 ventilator

Hospitals strapped for ventilatiors are all doing it. It's not new.

Nurses and doctors are using plastic bags for protection. The pictures you see of them is from here. :lol

I love NY.

[Spurs Homer]

Mostly canned shit. Gets old at some point.

At worst I can live off snacks and shit but in the long term that's just not healthy. Granted pizza is no better but what are you gonna do? I cant cook and I live alone.

i lived alone many many years- just learned -by trial and error

also ate out a lot and ate take out a lot

but its pretty easy-
buy an assortment of veggies you like, some eggs, cold cuts, things you like....

cooking oil, pots pans and stuff


git on youtube and copy their recipes -

[Nathan89]

Being less contagious when asymptomatic is probably just the result of not coughing and sneezing everywhere.

[Blake]

The good news: coronavirus is not foodborne. That means you can't get the coronavirus by ingesting food. You can get it from people, of course, those who sneeze, cough or exhale the coronavirus. Which is why we're told not to touch others, nor stay too close to others, and to wash our hands often.
But still, do you need to worry about how you handle food? What if someone sneezed on your apple? Can you still eat your steak rare? What about sushi – is it safe to eat?
We asked two food scientists at Rutgers University – graduate program director Donald Schaffner and professor emeritus Thomas Montville – on how tobest handle food to protect us against the coronavirus.
Question:Experts say the coronavirus is not foodborne. Yet, they strongly suspect animals in China – in a food market, no less – were the likely source of the initial infection. So doesn't that mean that it is foodborne?
Donald Schaffner: It's thought that the virus was transmitted by animals not by eating them but by having close proximity to the animals. Viruses can jump between species and that's what most probably happened. Most probably it was a respiratory transmission.
How to care for your dry, raw handsafter washing them to prevent coronavirus (https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2020/03/13/coronavirus-concern-how-care-hands-after-washing-and-sanitizing-them-so-much/5038941002/)

Question:Experts say the coronavirus is not foodborne. Yet, they strongly suspect animals in China – in a food market, no less – were the likely source of the initial infection. So doesn't that mean that it is foodborne?
Donald Schaffner: It's thought that the virus was transmitted by animals not by eating them but by having close proximity to the animals. Viruses can jump between species and that's what most probably happened. Most probably it was a respiratory transmission.
How to care for your dry, raw handsafter washing them to prevent coronavirus (https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2020/03/13/coronavirus-concern-how-care-hands-after-washing-and-sanitizing-them-so-much/5038941002/)
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/5c8bf163d61d56de560dacb3f845b9116f1adc6e/c=118-0-2003-1414/local/-/media/2020/03/12/USATODAY/usatsports/fresh-food-prep-meal-kit-getty-2.jpg?width=540&height=405&fit=crop (Photo: Getty Images)


Question: Do I need to wash fruits and vegetables for a longer time due to the coronavirus? Do I need to “sanitize” them with soap?
Thomas Montville: Wash your fruits and vegetables as usual, or even with a little warm soapy water. We should always wash our fruits and vegetables. That's just good safety practice.
Question:What about meat? While the virus is not foodborne, what if the butcher has coronavirus and touched the meat? Can I now get the virus?
Montville: Cooking would kill the virus.
Schaffner:Scientists will never say anything is at zero risk, but I'm not worried at all about getting the coronavirus from food. Hypothetically, yes, perhaps your piece of meat could have the virus on it. But your stomach acids will kill it. Plus the coronavirus is not equipped to get through your intestine's walls, which is how foodborne diseases make you sick.
Question:What about raw foods, like sushi or steak tartare?
Montville: You will never find a food scientist who eats tartare. It can be contaminated with pathogenic bacteria – E. coli, salmonella, listeria. In fact, it's a risk to eat a hamburger rare. As far as sushi, I just don't eat it.


Question: What about all the paper bags food comes in? Do I need to worry about them?
Montville: There's no scientific data that's related to that. It's believed that the virus can survive on cardboard for 24 hours; steel or wood for maybe three days. The mantra in food science is: Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands.And cook your food.
Esther Davidowitz is the food editor for NorthJersey.com. For more on where to dine and drink, please subscribe today (https://offers.northjersey.com/rjwon?gps-source=CPNEWS&utm_medium=onsite&utm_source=news&utm_campaign=NEWSROOM&utm_content=CPNEWS) and sign up for our North Jersey Eats newsletter (https://profile.northjersey.com/newsletters/manage/).

Interesting that we haven't heard much of anything about quarantining pets

[midnightpulp]

Posting some more positive expert opinion (from the professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University). Pretty good resume, I think.


The data collected so far on how many people are infected and how the epidemic is evolving are utterly unreliable. Given the limited testing to date, some deaths and probably the vast majority of infections due to SARS-CoV-2 are being missed. We don’t know if we are failing to capture infections by a factor of three or 300. Three months after the outbreak emerged, most countries, including the U.S., lack the ability to test a large number of people and no countries have reliable data on the prevalence of the virus in a representative random sample of the general population.

Translation: Don't pay attention to the mortality rates. And the bright side here is that they are probably much lower than recorded.

He talks about the Diamond Princess Cruise situation and extrapolates a bit:


The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%).

We can crosscheck here with Germany's numbers who is thought to have the best mix of mild and severe test samples. Their mortality rate: .067.

Some food for thought:


However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes. In fact, such “mild” coronaviruses infect tens of millions of people every year, and account for 3% to 11% of those hospitalized in the U.S. with lower respiratory infections each winter.


In the U.S., for example, so far this season 1,073,976 specimens have been tested and 222,552 (20.7%) have tested positive for influenza.

That was the positive rate for the Diamond Princess Cruise sample. So we can maybe conclude here that Corvid is around flu transmissibility levels.

More food for thought:


In an autopsy series that tested for respiratory viruses in specimens from 57 elderly persons who died during the 2016 to 2017 influenza season, influenza viruses were detected in 18% of the specimens, while any kind of respiratory virus was found in 47%. In some people who die from viral respiratory pathogens, more than one virus is found upon autopsy and bacteria are often superimposed.

A positive test for coronavirus does not mean necessarily that this virus is always primarily responsible for a patient’s demise.

Says you can't project much based on the data we have:


Some worry that the 68 deaths from Covid-19 in the U.S. as of March 16 will increase exponentially to 680, 6,800, 68,000, 680,000 … along with similar catastrophic patterns around the globe. Is that a realistic scenario, or bad science fiction? How can we tell at what point such a curve might stop?
The most valuable piece of information for answering those questions would be to know the current prevalence of the infection in a random sample of a population and to repeat this exercise at regular time intervals to estimate the incidence of new infections. Sadly, that’s information we don’t have.

I share this conclusion, as you all know:


In the most pessimistic scenario, which I do not espouse, if the new coronavirus infects 60% of the global population and 1% of the infected people die, that will translate into more than 40 million deaths globally,

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

[Chinook]

it really is a give and take. Unfortunately we all dont have months of food stock piled away right now

Yes, but I think a lot of people have a bigger stock than they realize. I know I'm like, "We're out of food" if I'm missing one type of vegetable or meat if I wanted to do use it. I think if I had to, I have at least a month's worth of stuff jammed in the pantry, cupboards and freezer. I was just saying at the house that we still let a ton of food go to waste and could probably make things stretch better if we just committed to eating all our leftovers.

[slick'81]

Yes, but I think a lot of people have a bigger stock than they realize. I know I'm like, "We're out of food" if I'm missing one type of vegetable or meat if I wanted to do use it. I think if I had to, I have at least a month's worth of stuff jammed in the pantry, cupboards and freezer. I was just saying at the house that we still let a ton of food go to waste and could probably make things stretch better if we just committed to eating all our leftovers.

no doubt. Make that shit stretch

[ElNono]

Well shit, my brother just went into ICU with a fever 103.1. he is severely immunocompromised having continually battled Guillain-Barre syndrome for the last 10 years. His kidneys are gone and he's on dialysis so if this is Corona it might be a real problem for him.

Just catching up, best wishes your way Teysha

[RandomGuy]

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Greatest conman in history or are people just that fucking stupid to support this guy?

:lol Half the country thinking he's handling the crisis great. 'murica!

Holy fuckballs... this guy is dumb.

[midnightpulp]

Reposting for the flip:

Posting some more positive expert opinion (from the professor of medicine and professor of epidemiology and population health, as well as professor by courtesy of biomedical data science at Stanford University School of Medicine, professor by courtesy of statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS) at Stanford University). Pretty good resume, I think.


The data collected so far on how many people are infected and how the epidemic is evolving are utterly unreliable. Given the limited testing to date, some deaths and probably the vast majority of infections due to SARS-CoV-2 are being missed. We don’t know if we are failing to capture infections by a factor of three or 300. Three months after the outbreak emerged, most countries, including the U.S., lack the ability to test a large number of people and no countries have reliable data on the prevalence of the virus in a representative random sample of the general population.

Translation: Don't pay attention to the mortality rates. And the bright side here is that they are probably much lower than recorded.

He talks about the Diamond Princess Cruise situation and extrapolates a bit:


The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%).

We can crosscheck here with Germany's numbers who is thought to have the best mix of mild and severe test samples. Their mortality rate: .067.

Some food for thought:


However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes. In fact, such “mild” coronaviruses infect tens of millions of people every year, and account for 3% to 11% of those hospitalized in the U.S. with lower respiratory infections each winter.


In the U.S., for example, so far this season 1,073,976 specimens have been tested and 222,552 (20.7%) have tested positive for influenza.

That was the positive rate for the Diamond Princess Cruise sample. So we can maybe conclude here that Corvid is around flu transmissibility levels.

More food for thought:


In an autopsy series that tested for respiratory viruses in specimens from 57 elderly persons who died during the 2016 to 2017 influenza season, influenza viruses were detected in 18% of the specimens, while any kind of respiratory virus was found in 47%. In some people who die from viral respiratory pathogens, more than one virus is found upon autopsy and bacteria are often superimposed.

A positive test for coronavirus does not mean necessarily that this virus is always primarily responsible for a patient’s demise.

Says you can't project much based on the data we have:


Some worry that the 68 deaths from Covid-19 in the U.S. as of March 16 will increase exponentially to 680, 6,800, 68,000, 680,000 … along with similar catastrophic patterns around the globe. Is that a realistic scenario, or bad science fiction? How can we tell at what point such a curve might stop?
The most valuable piece of information for answering those questions would be to know the current prevalence of the infection in a random sample of a population and to repeat this exercise at regular time intervals to estimate the incidence of new infections. Sadly, that’s information we don’t have.

I share this conclusion, as you all know:


In the most pessimistic scenario, which I do not espouse, if the new coronavirus infects 60% of the global population and 1% of the infected people die, that will translate into more than 40 million deaths globally,

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

[spurraider21]

Dude we understand, it's hard to eat out on a lawyer's salary.
Its not a money thing but ok, weird flex

[FkLA]

Why are y'all talking about food shortages/stocking up?

[midnightpulp]

duh, CDC statement

being asymptomatic or slightly symptomatic, aka the stealthy problem, doesn't mean they aren't infectious, which is a big point of emphasis, NOT understated, from Italy's doctors.

Haven't heard much from Spain, but why would it be different?

That's an issue with every virus, my friend.

[RandomGuy]

Yes, but I think a lot of people have a bigger stock than they realize. I know I'm like, "We're out of food" if I'm missing one type of vegetable or meat if I wanted to do use it. I think if I had to, I have at least a month's worth of stuff jammed in the pantry, cupboards and freezer. I was just saying at the house that we still let a ton of food go to waste and could probably make things stretch better if we just committed to eating all our leftovers.

My mother passed away recently, but was a food hoarder. My dad's pantry... after throwing away the chili powder from 1975 (not making that up), and the expired canned goods, me and pop could probably survive for a month if we had to. Thanks mom. Now I just need to figure out what to do with 6 cans of pickled beets, 8 cans of enchilada mix, and more veg-all than I would care to think about heh.

The town is still pretty early in the pandemic, so I may risk one more trip to the store, then call it quits. wash everything before bringing it inside. Lucky for us soap seems to be pretty darned effective.

[RandomGuy]

Why are y'all talking about food shortages/stocking up?

That is the way shit goes here. We shoot off topic at the drop of a hat.

[Blake]

Not even bothering with fresh produce ATM. Frozen and canned are just fine for now.

I'm still getting the easy to scrub produce like tomatoes, apples, and peppers. I even use soap on them. I'm staying away from stuff like green leaf lettuce and strawberries

[spurraider21]

Why are y'all talking about food shortages/stocking up?
Couple of weekends ago i had to go to 4 different markets to find potatoes and onions. Things largely calmed down this past weekend but finding rice/bread/broth was still something of a challenge because people can stock up on those without the same concern of them going bad

i think convo was mostly about living in NYC

[ElNono]

I know it might sound awkward, but thinking just in terms solely of virus death rate simply does not capture the whole picture. In a vacuum, sure, the virus infects X, Y die because of it, and you do the math: Y / X * 100.

But there's all sorts of other secondary issues which also pile up and complicate the situation even more, and lead to more fatalities: infected health personnel causes diminished response time, overloaded hospitals means other emergency situations might not get the urgency care they need and lead to more deaths.

You might plan to have a 10%-15% (to throw a number) capacity cushion in normal circumstances, but this thing is going to force you to cope with a 50%-60% sudden increase, and you can rush to try to meet that demand as much as you'd like, but odds are you won't be able to in the span you need to.

That's what the entire social distancing is all about, trying to bring down that sudden spike and smooth it out as much as possible.

As much as we'd like to focus on death rate, infection rate is also extremely important here, and unfortunately this thing is a bitch when it comes to that.

[ElNono]

damn, now i feel like an asshole for not getting takeout

You always came across sorta asshole-ish, tbh

[FkLA]

That is the way shit goes here. We shoot off topic at the drop of a hat.


Couple of weekends ago i had to go to 4 different markets to find potatoes and onions. Things largely calmed down this past weekend but finding rice/bread/broth was still something of a challenge because people can stock up on those without the same concern of them going bad

i think convo was mostly about living in NYC

Oh ok. I've been at car dealerships (who are apparently essential) all afternoon. I got worried that shit had hit the fan in the past few hours when I read some of the posts.

[spurraider21]

Oh ok. I've been at car dealerships (who are apparently essential) all afternoon. I got worried that shit had hit the fan in the past few hours when I read some of the posts.
Well don’t be too calm. According to TGY you will be denied food unless you agree to get microchipped

[ElNono]

Well don’t be too calm. According to TGY you will be denied food unless you agree to get microchipped

by joos

[spurraider21]

You always came across sorta asshole-ish, tbh
I do tbh, no need for blue font

[Blake]

by joos

By the Antichrist tbh. End times and such

[hater]

85k infections and not even warmed up yet

holy shit

USA hurtin right now

[DarrinS]

I know it might sound awkward, but thinking just in terms solely of virus death rate simply does not capture the whole picture. In a vacuum, sure, the virus infects X, Y die because of it, and you do the math: Y / X * 100.

But there's all sorts of other secondary issues which also pile up and complicate the situation even more, and lead to more fatalities: infected health personnel causes diminished response time, overloaded hospitals means other emergency situations might not get the urgency care they need and lead to more deaths.

You might plan to have a 10%-15% (to throw a number) capacity cushion in normal circumstances, but this thing is going to force you to cope with a 50%-60% sudden increase, and you can rush to try to meet that demand as much as you'd like, but odds are you won't be able to in the span you need to.

That's what the entire social distancing is all about, trying to bring down that sudden spike and smooth it out as much as possible.

As much as we'd like to focus on death rate, infection rate is also extremely important here, and unfortunately this thing is a bitch when it comes to that.


I don't disagree with anything you're saying. Brings home the question I asked a week ago. Would you rather get this early or late. I'd rather have it early and get it over with. I may have already had it, but no antibody test is available.

[RandomGuy]

Pastor Who Claimed Covid-19 ‘Hysteria’ Was Plot Against Trump Dies From Virus


As long as I walk in the light of that law [of the Spirit of life], no germ will attach itself to me.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2020/03/pastor-who-claimed-covid-19-hysteria-was-plot-against-trump-dies-from-virus/

[dude21]

Pastor Who Claimed Covid-19 ‘Hysteria’ Was Plot Against Trump Dies From Virus


https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2020/03/pastor-who-claimed-covid-19-hysteria-was-plot-against-trump-dies-from-virus/

Win stupid prizes. :lmao

[ElNono]

I don't disagree with anything you're saying. Brings home the question I asked a week ago. Would you rather get this early or late. I'd rather have it early and get it over with. I may have already had it, but no antibody test is available.

From a scientific standpoint, anti-body tests will tell you who has been infected and eventually let you do some stats, and hopefully help for the next time.

But the idea of early testing when this didn't hit the fan yet was so we could gauge which areas looked like they were going to need more help, and we could plan accordingly, shift resources, etc. It's too late for that now, and it was a lost opportunity. Now, we're just going to find out the worst way possible, as deaths pile up.

At this point, the real silver bullet here would be to find a treatment that can be self-administered with a relatively good prognosis. Something that minimizes hospital stays for the less severe cases. I rather not get it until a vaccine is available, any other time is just always risky. But if I get, we can't avoid dealing with it.

[dude21]

I don't disagree with anything you're saying. Brings home the question I asked a week ago. Would you rather get this early or late. I'd rather have it early and get it over with. I may have already had it, but no antibody test is available.

Corona also gives some older people lung damage. We don't know if it's short term or long term. Lung complications would set you back a couple years. :lol

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/Imamofpeace/status/1243393914339332097?s=19

[Spurminator]

Its not a money thing but ok, weird flex

I was just messing with you

[DarrinS]

Corona also gives some older people lung damage. We don't know if it's short term or long term. Lung complications would set you back a couple years. :lol

Gee, thanks

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSd6vRFtz3w

[ElNono]

tbh, shit like this...

https://www.wwnytv.com/resizer/8nuXMReXzrC6dj7eb3QM4GP9mX0=/1400x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-raycom.s3.amazonaws.com/public/533S6KGCTRFRFCAM5B4SWGZJHI.jpg

looks like United States of Venezuela, tbh... hater get in here...

[hater]

:lmao this is the Bulgarian Trump a rich guy owner of Pharmacy chain running for president

https://twitter.com/mkpetkova/status/1240934045984399360?s=21

[hater]

tbh, shit like this...

https://www.wwnytv.com/resizer/8nuXMReXzrC6dj7eb3QM4GP9mX0=/1400x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-raycom.s3.amazonaws.com/public/533S6KGCTRFRFCAM5B4SWGZJHI.jpg

looks like United States of Venezuela, tbh... hater get in here...

dont worry theres plenty of Veggie Sausages and Chocolate Hummus left at the shelves

[ElNono]

dont worry theres plenty of Veggie Sausages and Chocolate Hummus left at the shelves

lmao... grassfed, cage-free, high-school completed, dozen eggs for $24

[Reck]

tbh, shit like this...

https://www.wwnytv.com/resizer/8nuXMReXzrC6dj7eb3QM4GP9mX0=/1400x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-raycom.s3.amazonaws.com/public/533S6KGCTRFRFCAM5B4SWGZJHI.jpg

looks like United States of Venezuela, tbh... hater (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609) get in here...

Thankfully New Yorkers stopped hoarding. I am able to get my needs now which is good. I dont have to go long distances to luck into toilet paper or tissues.

[scanry]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7938207/Chinese-travel-presenter-ate-bat-begs-public-forgiveness-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html

[Nathan89]

I don't disagree with anything you're saying. Brings home the question I asked a week ago. Would you rather get this early or late. I'd rather have it early and get it over with. I may have already had it, but no antibody test is available.

Late. Then you'll have the possibility of getting a treatment they've yet to discover. At the very least you might get treated with the plasma from those that recovered which can also be an effective treatment.

[Reck]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7938207/Chinese-travel-presenter-ate-bat-begs-public-forgiveness-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html

I should not have eaten a bat.

You don’t say.

[phxspurfan]

https://www.businessinsider.com/video-tour-coronavirus-icu-ward-bergamo-italy-worst-apocalyptic-2020-3

[phxspurfan]

https://swell.life/article/rMYhMFSSqDXi/bayarea-is-flattening-the-curve

[phxspurfan]

lmao... grassfed, cage-free, high-school completed, dozen eggs for $24

No joke, my coworker says free range isn’t enough anymore. He buys eggs that have a picture of their “hen of the week” on the side

[Splits]

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[Winehole23]

nm

[Winehole23]

A new study of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic suggests that the notion that lives must be sacrificed to save the economy is bullshit.

The cities that that put the most aggressive NPIs in place and kept them in place longer, flattened the caseload and recovered economically more quickly.

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[Thread]

A new study of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic suggests that the notion that lives must be sacrificed to save the economy is bullshit.

The cities that that put the most aggressive NPIs in place and kept them in place longer, flattened the caseload and recovered economically more quickly.

Exactly. Philadelphia went to the "beaches" - (that parade) & got murdered.

St. Louis didn't & was fine.

Present day:::
Louisiana partied their asses off at Mardi Gra & now the chickens have come home to roost.
California & Florida are hitting the beaches & getting murdered.
NYC is hitting Central Park for b-ball & Frisbee & getting murdered.

Nobody wants to stay home & nary Governor is willing to send the Law Enforcement/National Guard to make them.

[Reck]

Another bad day for Spain.

6000 new cases, 500 deaths and 2000 recovered.

[slick'81]

Another bad day for Spain.

6000 new cases, 500 deaths and 2000 recovered.


When has there been a good day for anyone lately?

[RandomGuy]

Boris Johnson has CO-19.--BBC broadcast

[Thread]

When has there been a good day for anyone lately?

...or, in reality before "lately," long before "lately." We've lost over a million Americans to Regular Flu across the last 2 decades.

[Splits]

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hater get in here

[hater]

Another bad day for Spain.

6000 new cases, 500 deaths and 2000 recovered.

try 769 dead today

[Reck]

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hater (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7609) get in here

:lmao hater time to feast on the carcass of this guy.

:lmao he took it on the chin

[hater]

lol Porton

https://twitter.com/ayareina/status/1243500327384403969?s=21

[hater]

:lmao hater time to feast on the carcass of this guy.

:lmao he took it on the chin

:lol

[apalisoc_9]

Boris Johnson has CO-19.--BBC broadcast

All part of his great "herdy immunity" Plan..












Oh wait that piece of dung is isolating and receiving treatment in his house like the coward and hypocrite he is.




hater

[hater]

he should be sent to common quarantine location for 2 weeks

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/iamjustlost1/status/1243507413589856256?s=21

[hater]

https://twitter.com/morethanmysle/status/1243506641624064003?s=21

[Splits]

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Probably how hater is dressed when he leaves his bunker :lmao

[hater]

Bojo might have killed the entire royal family

https://twitter.com/katehelencarter/status/1243509601955393536?s=21

[Splits]

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[hater]

Orangegutan is one strong mofo

credit where credit is due

[Splits]

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[DMC]

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Breaking news, people travel.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Breaking news, people travel.

With as stupid as people have been revealed to be in today's climate, sometimes it helps for people to actually see before they will believe.

[picnroll]

Breaking news, people travel.

Breaking news, they take souvenirs, luggage and their viruses with them.
Here’s to all you partying spring breakers. : flipoff

[hater]

Trump pulling out the sharpies again. will label his safe/risky counties

this will go well :lmao

https://twitter.com/riddle_triddle/status/1243497813734051842?s=21

[hater]

UK government dropping like flies

https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1243522325397622784?s=20

[hater]

Major of LA with sobering news

“Will we have hundreds of thousands of deaths, or tens of thousands of deaths? That’s what keeps us up,” he told Business Insider. “These are people who all know, who each one of us will know. It’ll be our friends, it’ll be our family, it’ll be people whom we love dearly.”

He said the stay-at-home orders in L.A. won’t be lifted by Easter, as President Donald Trump has said, but will last at least two months ― and he warned against false optimism.

“Giving people false hope will crush their spirits and will kill more people,” the mayor said. “Will crush their spirits, will revert their actions, and will kill more people.”

[hater]

fuck china! nothing good comes from china and it seems to breed nothing but diseases. fuck that place!

karma is a pretty big bitch

[hater]

It’s pretty incredible how hater falls for every fearmongering trick :lol

oops

[hater]

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Putin is an old guy and Russia seems very concerned for him

I would not be surprised if he succumbs to Corona in next few months

this pandemic is turning out to even blow away my worst case scenarios :wow

[DarrinS]

https://apnews.com/013ee46b9b97297ed8feef64168d210e

[pgardn]

Putin is an old guy and Russia seems very concerned for himI would not be surprised if he succumbs to Corona in next few monthsthis pandemic is turning out to even blow away my worst case scenarios :wow

The president for life will have a short time to live.

-Hater

[hater]

we now have like 4 or 5 Wuhans in our hands :wow

sadly we need to start quarantining/restricying movement between cities or this will get out of hand quick

looks like USA is navigating without anyone at the helm

my worst prediction might turn out to be too optimistic

[Spurs Homer]

Orangegutan is one strong mofo

credit where credit is due

or he has the “antidote”

[hater]

or he has the “antidote”

maybe simians are immune to this flu

[hater]

our response so far has been as if you hand a massive country with 50 states and 300 million ppl to a 3rd world government and medical system and tell them, good luck

or as if government is purposefully failing at every step. mmm

[RandomGuy]

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That whole thing was another superspreading event, even if canceled. Florida has done to date 27,000 tests total, while New York is doing tens of thousands per DAY.

It is certainly spreading undetected in Florida as a result, with some other data indicating this. This, just like Louisiana's spike due to Mardi Gras, does not bode well.

In less two weeks time, we will see Florida's unique older retiree demographic dying in large numbers, sadly. Those kids came together, spread it around, and then traveled back home, passing through gas stations, restaurants, airports, and stores along the way.

[boutons_deux]

That whole thing was another superspreading event, even if canceled. Florida has done to date 27,000 tests total, while New York is doing tens of thousands per DAY.

Hollywood, adjacent to Ft Lauderdale, has done apparently more tests than anywhere in FL, and found a bunch infections.

[Thread]

we now have like 4 or 5 Wuhans in our hands :wow

sadly we need to start quarantining/restricying movement between cities or this will get out of hand quick

looks like USA is navigating without anyone at the helm

my worst prediction might turn out to be too optimistic

Ain't nobody gonna send the National Guard in & that's the only way you're going to get people to stay INSIDE.

Both gov't & the people would rather die than be National Guarded.

[Thread]

Hollywood, adjacent to Ft Lauderdale, has done apparently more tests than anywhere in FL, and found a bunch infections.

Won't stop 'em from hittin' the beaches though, by God.

[Splits]

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[Thread]

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Gonna have to get a "boy," a dead one quite a bit less than (17) to goose the attention & attendant outrage, Splits.

[Winehole23]

Radical:


The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued a sweeping suspension of its enforcement of environmental laws Thursday, telling companies they would not need to meet environmental standards during the coronavirus outbreak.

The temporary policy, for which the EPA has set no end date, would allow any number of industries to skirt environmental laws, with the agency saying it will not "seek penalties for noncompliance with routine monitoring and reporting obligations."https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/489753-epa-suspends-enforcement-of-environmental-laws-amid-coronavirus?amp

[leemajors]

https://apnews.com/013ee46b9b97297ed8feef64168d210e

One city everyone is in cars, another there is mainly foot traffic with people mingling more in person.

[Splits]

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If this is accurate, and you "safely" assume that deaths/cases double every 4 days, NY will have 16,000 deaths and 1.4m infected at their peak.

NY alone.

[DMC]

Oh fuck it's going to get worse, so much worse. I would say this is apocalyptic. This is probably the worst disaster ever to befall the human race. It's incredibly depressing and sad. There's just no future now.

[spurraider21]

Oh fuck it's going to get worse, so much worse. I would say this is apocalyptic. This is probably the worst disaster ever to befall the human race. It's incredibly depressing and sad. There's just no future now.
Called it

[boutons_deux]

Radical:

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/489753-epa-suspends-enforcement-of-environmental-laws-amid-coronavirus?amp

this is news?

since when has Trash's EPA enforced any EPA regs?

[hater]

Oh fuck it's going to get worse, so much worse. I would say this is apocalyptic. This is probably the worst disaster ever to befall the human race. It's incredibly depressing and sad. There's just no future now.

Dont panic too much niga

it wont be THAT bad

life will change as we know it and we will probably be locked down for many months , hundreds of thousands will die (hooefully not millions)

but it will eventually pass

keep strong

[hater]

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If this is accurate, and you "safely" assume that deaths/cases double every 4 days, NY will have 16,000 deaths and 1.4m infected at their peak.

NY alone.

sadly it might be more if NY health system collapses

death rate could go up to 5%

and thats not counting deaths due to ERs and ambulances being overwhelmed

may God keep us in his prayers

be safe everyone

[vy65]

honestly, havent had takeout in a couple of weeks now. we're at a point where we just want as few people as possible being in contact with the food we eat. certainly, at various points in the process of food getting onto the shelves, people will get in contact with it, and that's a given. doesn't mean we can't minimize it.

even when getting produce, i'm always looking for packaged goods (bagged potatoes/onions/apples instead of hand picking them, etc). and i've been buying packaged/frozen meats instead of getting them from the counter. just until this thing blows over

ironically our favorite takeout place near us is a chinese place :lol... extra stigma

You have 3 months of basterma stashed in your pantry, don't you?

[hater]

Italy with 900+ deaths in one day :cry

if you only count cases that have had an outcome (death or recovery) these are Italys numbers :cry

Total Cases: 20,000
Recovered: 11,000
Death: 9,000

death rate: 45%

[DMC]

Called it

I'm looking for more extreme emotive jargon to express my feelings on the matter. Stay tuned.

[spurraider21]

You have 3 months of basterma stashed in your pantry, don't you?
worst part about moving from LA to Cville has been the lack of armenian food.

[koriwhat]

karma is a pretty big bitch

Karma for what exactly? Either way you betting against the usa, whether it's a troll job or not, is disgusting and on display daily.

[hater]

Karma for what exactly? Either way you betting against the usa, whether it's a troll job or not, is disgusting and on display daily.

we are making china look like a weekend in Maui

that karma

betting? Im calling it how it is. Beats living in fantasy land and imagining thisisfine.gif

[hater]

double post

[RandomGuy]

One city everyone is in cars, another there is mainly foot traffic with people mingling more in person.

Pretty much. Slower spread, but even a lower curve here is going to be bad. Only really a matter of when.

This will last longer than Trump has the patience for, and he will push hard to lift things just as the inexorable spread happens.

[leemajors]

we are making china look like a weekend in Maui

that karma

betting? Im calling it how it is. Beats living in fantasy land and imagining thisisfine.gif

China never counted asymptomatic positives.

[hater]

China never counted asymptomatic positives.

its obvious china did that that does not mean the measures they took in wuhan made great strides to stop the pandemic

- closing up regions was key
- also quarantining asymptomatic people in containment locations (not sending them home like us)

sure those 2 might not be possible in US (although they might be necessary) but then maybe we should not have laughed at them and wish them failure back in Jan/Feb and should have prepared better

[RandomGuy]

China never counted asymptomatic positives.

Their tests also apparently, suck. So they lied about everything, and their data is practically meaningless. A little bit like listening to Trump blather on about how powerful nuclear is, or how nana or my asthmatic son should take one for the team.

[leemajors]

its obvious china did that that does not mean the measures they took in wuhan made great strides to stop the pandemic

- closing up regions was key
- also quarantining asymptomatic people in containment locations (not sending them home like us)

sure those 2 might not be possible in US (although they might be necessary) but then maybe we should not have laughed at them and wish them failure back in Jan/Feb and should have prepared better

I just meant US may not have overtaken China quite yet.

[hater]

I just meant US may not have overtaken China quite yet.

I dont believe china stopped at 80k infections too

[vy65]

worst part about moving from LA to Cville has been the lack of armenian food.

Basterma is fucking gross, I don't get how my pops can down that shit.

The lack of good lahmacun has to be killer tho

[pgardn]

Called it

Yep

He got his cup of coffee this morning.
Hes okay, the worlds Okay.
Nothing to see here.

[Blake]

Oh fuck it's going to get worse, so much worse. I would say this is apocalyptic. This is probably the worst disaster ever to befall the human race. It's incredibly depressing and sad. There's just no future now.

Careful, not everyone can read the sarcasm

[RandomGuy]

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Because... capitalism!

perfect example of why health care and health insurance should not be left to private sector, any more than police or fire fighting.

[spurraider21]

Basterma is fucking gross, I don't get how my pops can down that shit.

The lack of good lahmacun has to be killer tho
wat

its fucking delicious. makes you smelly tho

lahmajoun is good stuff. not only tasty, but you can buy a nice fresh batch and that's a solid lunch for 2-3 days. it's also hard to find good feta cheese

[DMC]

Yep

He got his cup of coffee this morning.
Hes okay, the worlds Okay.
Nothing to see here.

My world is just fine. You have fun in your cesspool of panic. I am content being part of the solution instead of sitting around wringing my hands about the fucking problems.

[DMC]

wat

its fucking delicious. makes you smelly tho

lahmajoun is good stuff. not only tasty, but you can buy a nice fresh batch and that's a solid lunch for 2-3 days. it's also hard to find good feta cheese

Third world food discussion in progress. Please tune out.

[DMC]

Because... capitalism!

perfect example of why health care and health insurance should not be left to private sector, any more than police or fire fighting.

Really silly comparisons.

The federal government doesn't provide either of those. Do you expect your local city council to be in charge of healthcare?

[spurraider21]

Third world food discussion in progress. Please tune out.
:lol at least we dont eat bats

[DMC]

:lol at least we dont eat bats

True dat

[Blake]

My world is just fine. You have fun in your cesspool of panic. I am content being part of the solution instead of sitting around wringing my hands about the fucking problems.

Sorry but I'm doing my part by sitting around at home and wringing my hands with soap and water for the length of the happy birthday song 2x. Good luck out there.

[pgardn]

My world is just fine. You have fun in your cesspool of panic. I am content being part of the solution instead of sitting around wringing my hands about the fucking problems.

Mine personally is fine.
But not people I know.

But you stay perfectly cool tough guy.

[SnakeBoy]

Because... capitalism!

perfect example of why health care and health insurance should not be left to private sector, any more than police or fire fighting.

Every non marxist country has private clinics.

Story as reported in the link is suspect. Did you read it?

Sorry bout Bernie

[Thread]

Really silly comparisons.

The federal government doesn't provide either of those. Do you expect your local city council to be in charge of healthcare?

...only once every 103 years.

[Blake]

:lol at least we dont eat bats

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BruisedPeriodicDingo-small.gif

[DMC]

Mine personally is fine.
But not people I know.

But you stay perfectly cool tough guy.

:lol that default tough guy accusation when someone doesn't kowtow to your panic

[pgardn]

:lol that default tough guy accusation when someone doesn't kowtow to your panic

My panic.

There are people still working with their kids sitting at home supposedly doing school work via... what, a phone?
There are people experiencing symptoms after being cleared and some cleared feel find and still are still told dont go to work.
Total lack of cooridnation causing a total mess.

But you will solve it because you got your coffee.
Hey since you are doing so well, why dont you just give the order for everyone to get back to work and school.
Or at least dream about it.

Projecting hand wringing when people just want normalcy.
You are so cool and collected. Dream you have the authority give orders.

[boutons_deux]

The Second Virus Shockwave Is Hitting China’s Factories Already

“It is definitely the second shock-wave for the Chinese economy,”

said Xing Zhaopeng, an economist at Australia & New Zealand Banking Group.

The global spread of the virus

“will affect China manufacturing through two channels:

disrupted supply chains and

declining external demand.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-26/the-second-virus-shockwave-is-hitting-china-s-factories-already (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-26/the-second-virus-shockwave-is-hitting-china-s-factories-already)

[RandomGuy]

Really silly comparisons.

The federal government doesn't provide either of those. Do you expect your local city council to be in charge of healthcare?

They are all public goods. Economics fail.

[RandomGuy]

Every non marxist country has private clinics.

Story as reported in the link is suspect. Did you read it?

Sorry bout Bernie

Every other industrialized country has national health insurance. Every one. None have gone broke from it, they can all afford it, and their costs about half of what our does per capita.

[SpursforSix]

The Second Virus Shockwave Is Hitting China’s Factories Already

“It is definitely the second shock-wave for the Chinese economy,”

said Xing Zhaopeng, an economist at Australia & New Zealand Banking Group.

The global spread of the virus

“will affect China manufacturing through two channels:

disrupted supply chains and

declining external demand.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-26/the-second-virus-shockwave-is-hitting-china-s-factories-already (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-26/the-second-virus-shockwave-is-hitting-china-s-factories-already)

Well no shit. Don't need an economist for that prediction.

[RandomGuy]

My panic.

There are people still working with their kids sitting at home supposedly doing school work via... what, a phone?
There are people experiencing symptoms after being cleared and some cleared feel find and still are still told dont go to work.
Total lack of cooridnation causing a total mess.

But you will solve it because you got your coffee.
Hey since you are doing so well, why dont you just give the order for everyone to get back to work and school.
Or at least dream about it.

Projecting hand wringing when people just want normalcy.
You are so cool and collected. Dream you have the authority give orders.

I tell my kids that people are the way they are for a reason.

Abuse tends to produce sociopaths. Sound familiar? As annoyed or angry as I ever get with DMC, there is always a little pity for the kid he used to be. Can you imagine what kind of stunted upbringing would extinguish empathy that completely? ish.

[MannyIsGod]

Anyone who isn't currently scared of the situation isn't avoiding a panic they're just fucking stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

I am content being part of the solutionWhat part is that?

[clambake]

What part is that?

he's got zero concerns.


hell, he can get free room and board at SeaWorld.

[phxspurfan]

early restrictions in CA on public gathering is helping to flatten the curve, versus other states who are not as restrictive (if at all):

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[apalisoc_9]

Anyone who isn't currently scared of the situation isn't avoiding a panic they're just fucking stupid.

Yes, DMC is Stupid..


And Obese.

[spurraider21]

early restrictions in CA on public gathering is helping to flatten the curve, versus other states who are not as restrictive (if at all):

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Der Fuhrer Newsom putting in work tbh

[boutons_deux]

Anyone who isn't currently scared of the situation isn't avoiding a panic they're just fucking stupid.

Apparently there are a lot Macho Men in construction who are just fucking stupid, laugh at the virus

[spurraider21]

NYC is saying they're getting more medical 911 calls than they did on 9/11

[midnightpulp]

early restrictions in CA on public gathering is helping to flatten the curve, versus other states who are not as restrictive (if at all):

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Our other built in advantages like much, much less population density than a New York, not much use of mass transit, and sunlight all year around (I think the "warm weather" theory might have to do more with a region's particular UV profile than just raw temperature. It's a fact of nature these viruses don't withstand UV light) are playing big roles, as well. But yes, credit our response, although we were a bit late in SoCal. I just hope there isn't an impending "Mardi Gras" spike like they're seeing in New Orleans. The casino factor still worries me, as they were all running up until mid-March.

We seem to be dodging bullets. Texas, as well. And Florida looks good. Hope they don't have a Spring Break factor or something.

[Thread]

NYC is saying they're getting more medical 911 calls than they did on 9/11

Makes perfect sense. If you go over there on your own you have to stand in line. If you get ambulanced over, they either take you inside to the end of the line, or, they drop you off at the beginning of the line.

50/50, 21?

[hater]

Anyone who isn't currently scared of the situation isn't avoiding a panic they're just fucking stupid.

I dont think anyone should be panicing tbqh

but that does not mean we should do a thisisfine.gif that would be delusional

this is some serious shit and thousands will die probably thousands that did not need to die had we been better prepared and responded better

but it is what it is

time to face the music and do our part to keep calm and resist shit thats coming

[Thread]

Our other built in advantages like much, much less population density than a New York, not much use of mass transit, and sunlight all year around (I think the "warm weather" theory might have to do more with a region's particular UV profile than just raw temperature. It's a fact of nature these viruses don't withstand UV light) are playing big roles, as well. But yes, credit our response, although we were a bit late in SoCal. I just hope there isn't an impending "Mardi Gras" spike like they're seeing in New Orleans. The casino factor still worries me, as they were all running up until mid-March.

We seem to be dodging bullets. Texas, as well. And Florida looks good. Hope they don't have a Spring Break factor or something.

Of course they will. Just like Louisiana & their lag time after Mardi Gra did.

[spurraider21]

Makes perfect sense. If you go over there on your own you have to stand in line. If you get ambulanced over, they either take you inside to the end of the line, or, they drop you off at the beginning of the line.

50/50, 21?
not really. if you're uninsured, ambulance rides can be pricey. and even if you are insured, if they are only covered if deemed medically necessary, and you're still dealing with deductibles, etc. and that's only for policies that DO specifically cover ambulance services. many health plans don't touch them at all

[Thread]

I dont think anyone should be panicing tbqh

but that does not mean we should do a thisisfine.gif that would be delusional

this is some serious shit and thousands will die probably thousands that did not need to die had we been better prepared and responded better

but it is what it is

time to face the music and do our part to keep calm and resist shit thats coming

...instead though everybody (like you) calls ass on Trump THEN spills their guts begging God & both sides of the R&D faction to act like somebody.

When "you" no longer call ass first & beg 2nd, but, instead (beg) then (we'll) know.

[Mark Celibate]

speaking of exponential growth, as the death toll keeps growing, hater's excitement seems to grow exponentially with it. he's like a pig in shit these days.

these are TINGs we know tbh imo

[hater]

...instead though everybody (like you) calls ass on Trump THEN spills their guts begging God & both sides of the R&D faction to act like somebody.

When "you" no longer call ass first & beg 2nd, but, instead (beg) then (we'll) know.

well Trump is an ass and is handling this as worse as possible

its sad but also comical how bad he is so yeah Im gonna keep writing about it :lol

Trump still > Hillary tho

she would have done as bad or worse

[Thread]

speaking of exponential growth, as the death toll keeps growing, hater's excitement seems to grow exponentially with it. he's like a pig in shit these days.

these are TINGs we know tbh imo

Celibate

[hater]

speaking of exponential growth, as the death toll keeps growing, hater's excitement seems to grow exponentially with it. he's like a pig in shit these days.

these are TINGs we know tbh imo

speaking of fake news

[spurraider21]

speaking of exponential growth, as the death toll keeps growing, hater's excitement seems to grow exponentially with it. he's like a pig in shit these days.

these are TINGs we know tbh imo
i think he's secretly one of those jeebotards begging for the end of days... dude's always getting excited over WW6 etc

[hater]

i think he's secretly one of those jeebotards begging for the end of days... dude's always getting excited over WW6 etc

speaking of fake news

[Thread]

well Trump is an ass and is handling this as worse as possible

its sad but also comical how bad he is so yeah Im gonna keep writing about it :lol

Trump still > Hillary tho

she would have done as bad or worse

...but, we wouldn't a known it because MSM woulda babysat her & the death count night & day.

[hater]

...but, we wouldn't a known it because MSM woulda babysat her & the death count night & day.

Giussepe

[apalisoc_9]

i think he's secretly one of those jeebotards begging for the end of days... dude's always getting excited over WW6 etc

Since Manu's retirement, the nikka hater been spending 90% of this time in this section.

He used to spend about 70% of his time upstairs but I think he's given up on bball.

:lol

Crazy how people change.

[Mark Celibate]

...but, we wouldn't a known it because MSM woulda babysat her & the death count night & day.


Giuseppe

[hater]

Since Manu's retirement, the nikka hater been spending 90% of this time in this section.

He used to spend about 70% of his time upstairs but I think he's given up on bball.

:lol

Crazy how people change.

:lmao I been here for ages niga. even in Obombas days

fake news strikes again :lol

[CosmicCowboy]

NYC is saying they're getting more medical 911 calls than they did on 9/11

Well no shit. A collapsing building didn't smush them.

[RandomGuy]

early restrictions in CA on public gathering is helping to flatten the curve, versus other states who are not as restrictive (if at all):

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Alabama governor won’t issue shelter-in-place order because ’we are not California.’ By population, it’s worse.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/27/alabama-governor-wont-order-shelter-in-place-because-we-are-not-california-by-population-its-worse/


Trump Death Cult finally met a crisis they can't lie their way out of.

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“Y’all, we are not Louisiana, we are not New York State, we are not California,” she said on Thursday, according to the Montgomery Advertiser. “Right now is not the time to order people to shelter in place.”

In terms of raw case totals, that’s true. Data from Johns Hopkins University compiled through Thursday show that Alabama’s case total is in the hundreds, compared to thousands of cases in Louisiana and California and tens of thousands in New York.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/MFEQLELM6FC75GUTH7X4RSKPDE.png&w=1440
But, again, the concern that shelter-in-place orders are meant to address is the spread of the virus. And on that metric, things in Alabama don’t compare quite as well.

On the graph below, lines that increase more rapidly (have a steeper slope) have seen faster spreads since the 10th recorded case in that state. It’s hard to tell, but Alabama’s line is rising faster than California’s.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/RS57BFWN6FGXHDFRHFBGYZS34Q.png&w=1440

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Trumps "tone at the top" is providing political cover for Death Cult leadership to ignore science, as they are wont to do.

Wait until mid-week next week, and Florida is looking like Italy. Cross off another Death Cult governor's re-election chances.

[RandomGuy]

Called it. Slower, and less effective responses on the part of red state governors is going to spread disease faster than otherwise might be the case. Trump making the case for keeping business open and going back to work will make it worse.

The Coronavirus Isn’t Just A Blue State Problem
Detected cases are higher in blue states, but growing faster in red states.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-coronavirus-isnt-just-a-blue-state-problem/

Alabama governor won’t issue shelter-in-place order because ’we are not California.’ By population, it’s worse.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/27/alabama-governor-wont-order-shelter-in-place-because-we-are-not-california-by-population-its-worse/

The science denial chickens have come home to roost. Evangelicals gonna get people killed.

[Thread]

Called it. Slower, and less effective responses on the part of red state governors is going to spread disease faster than otherwise might be the case. Trump making the case for keeping business open and going back to work will make it worse.

The Coronavirus Isn’t Just A Blue State Problem
Detected cases are higher in blue states, but growing faster in red states.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-coronavirus-isnt-just-a-blue-state-problem/

Alabama governor won’t issue shelter-in-place order because ’we are not California.’ By population, it’s worse.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/27/alabama-governor-wont-order-shelter-in-place-because-we-are-not-california-by-population-its-worse/

The science denial chickens have come home to roost. Evangelicals gonna get people killed.

New York is red.
California is red.
Washington State is red.
Illinois is red.

[midnightpulp]

Wait until mid-week next week, and Florida is looking like Italy. Cross off another Death Cult governor's re-election chances.

Florida's curve is looking pretty steady. We have to hope their environmental advantages that have been talked about will off-set stupid decision making. Don't disagree with anything else you said. Pastors were holding services attended by 300+ people. Just irresponsible behavior. A pastor has a responsibility to his congregation and actions like this are criminal. Many Pastors have switched to online services, thankfully.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisiana-pastor-holds-church-service-with-hundreds-of-people-despite-governors-coronavirus-ban/

[DarrinS]

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A new report raises hope that the blood of recovered patients can help treat severe coronavirus cases

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-convalescent-plasma-treatment-early-chinese-study-results-2020-3

[slick'81]

Soooo how many more weeks of this shit?

[midnightpulp]

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Texas is looking real good. We can see here that in states that are getting hit the hardest, the inflection point comes quick and just exponentially explodes in about 10 days:

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/new-york/
https://covidtracking.com/data/state/louisiana/
https://covidtracking.com/data/state/michigan/

Texas's last 10 days are much smoother.

https://covidtracking.com/data/state/texas/

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1243548363179667457?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/status/1243548363179667457?s=19"100% effective rate treating COVID-19"

What does that mean medically, Qhris?

And where is the proof of this?

[picnroll]

"100% effective rate treating COVID-19"

What does that mean medically, Qhris?

And where is the proof of this?
Data
Just when you thought there was no one stupider than Trash.

[Blake]

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Wow look at Arnold pimping HEB

[boutons_deux]

Soooo how many more weeks of this shit?

at least 80

[slick'81]

at least 80

freedom in 2022

[hater]

Soooo how many more weeks of this shit?

at least 10 IMO

[boutons_deux]

Teen Who Died of Covid-19 Was Denied Treatment Because He Didn't Have Health Insurance

“He didn’t have insurance, so they did not treat him,”

The staff at the urgent care facility told the teen to

try the emergency room at Antelope Valley (AV) Hospital, a public hospital in the area

“En route to AV Hospital, he went into cardiac arrest,

when he got to AV hospital they were able to revive him and

keep him alive for about six hours,”

“But by the time he got there, it was too late.”

https://gizmodo.com/teen-who-died-of-covid-19-was-denied-treatment-because-1842520539?utm_source=gizmodo_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-03-27 (https://gizmodo.com/teen-who-died-of-covid-19-was-denied-treatment-because-1842520539?utm_source=gizmodo_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2020-03-27)

[vy65]

its fucking delicious.

You're a disgusting human being ...

Odds on anyone having the slightest clue on what we're talking about?

[hater]

so Dump doing things he shoulda done a month ago

dumbo

[hater]

hit 100,000 infections on our way to 1,000,000

[RandomGuy]

Florida's curve is looking pretty steady. We have to hope their environmental advantages that have been talked about will off-set stupid decision making. Don't disagree with anything else you said. Pastors were holding services attended by 300+ people. Just irresponsible behavior. A pastor has a responsibility to his congregation and actions like this are criminal. Many Pastors have switched to online services, thankfully.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisiana-pastor-holds-church-service-with-hundreds-of-people-despite-governors-coronavirus-ban/

Florida isn't really wide-spread testing, we would expect that to be steady.

Until it isn't. more simple math. Mardi gras spike will be replicated by spring break spike.

[RandomGuy]

[I believe Rudy Gulianis tweet]

:rollin :lmao :rollin :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Florida isn't really wide-spread testing, we would expect that to be steady.

Until it isn't. more simple math. Mardi gras spike will be replicated by spring break spike.

Death toll can be an indicator of case spread. Fewer deaths most likely equates to fewer cases.

[DarrinS]

"100% effective rate treating COVID-19"

What does that mean medically, Qhris?

And where is the proof of this?


There is doctor in NY who claims he's treated 350 patients with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and z-pak, and said all 350 recovered without needing to be hospitalized.

[picnroll]

Florida isn't really wide-spread testing, we would expect that to be steady.

Until it isn't. more simple math. Mardi gras spike will be replicated by spring break spike.
Testing can be sent for symptomatic patients to commercial labs by doctors request in Florida now for patients of any age. Has been that way for at least three days. How widely mildly symptomatic patients are requesting or doctors are sending who knows.

[boutons_deux]

Florida isn't really wide-spread testing, we would expect that to be steady.

Until it isn't. more simple math. Mardi gras spike will be replicated by spring break spike.

Where FL did do testing, Hollywood, they found a lot of positives, right next to Ft Launderdale

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Where FL did do testing, Hollywood, they found a lot of positives, right next to Ft Launderdale

Yeah, they caught up to 'em on the beaches.

[RandomGuy]

Soooo how many more weeks of this shit?

Try months. Two to six.

[pgardn]

You're a disgusting human being ...

Odds on anyone having the slightest clue on what we're talking about?

Eating animal parts that are not muscle?