Coronavirus is one mutation away from infecting millions

[DMC]

:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

You're asking about the article, liar.

Why do I care about what happened with the impeachment? He was under threat of it in March. So you take two unrelated comments and tie them together. Neat, never been done before.

[Spurminator]

to be fair he was on the record saying Biden would be that guy :lol

Yeah and look what happened there.

[ChumpDumper]

You're asking about the article, liar.

Why do I care about what happened with the impeachment? He was under threat of it in March. So you take two unrelated comments and tie them together. Neat, never been done before.:lmao it was in your article, now you're bringing it up again when I didn't mention it in that post at all. That's a stupid attempt at a distraction.

You asked what happened with some specific questions I quoted.

Now you say you don't care what happened.

If you actually care what happened, you're a google search away from knowing.

Are you going to answer your own questions?

[DMC]

Your research into the ROK response stops at March 4, which I can't even make out on your chart. I suggest you look into what they did after that date.

SPOILER ALERT: Moon Jae-in has not been impeached.


Chart stops at Apr 21st

The article from March was to show that SK didn't jump right on it, and that there's a reason to suppress data (possible impending impeachment).

There's no need to correlate the dates to the chart.


many countries have. Why is ROK's results so odd? How does that sharper bend there actually make sense given the steep incline? Do you think there was simply a small pocket of infected people that got detected and the rest of the country was unaffected? Didn't happen in the US like that. Seems it didn't happen anywhere else like that except maybe China.


So have you even tried to find out what happened after March 4 or are you just going to cross your arms and try to harrumph the past two months away?


I don't care what happened. The chart is what drew my attention.

I know you hate seeing proper context as it pours cold water on your attempt to be clever, but it's pretty simple.

It's why any attempt at a discussion with you always dissolves into nothing more than "gotem" attempts.

[ChumpDumper]

I know you hate seeing proper context as it pours cold water on your attempt to be clever, but it's pretty simple.

It's why any attempt at a discussion with you always dissolves into nothing more than "gotem" attempts.I'll dumb it down for you.

Your article is dated March 4.

You know nothing about the ROK response after March 4.

You posted questions about the ROK response after March 4 because of the chart that goes into April.

Are you going to look for answers to your questions about the period after March 4 of which you are currently completely ignorant?

Yes or no.

[DMC]

:lmao it was in your article, now you're bringing it up again when I didn't mention it in that post at all. That's a stupid attempt at a distraction.

You asked what happened with some specific questions I quoted.

Now you say you don't care what happened.

If you actually care what happened, you're a google search away from knowing.

Are you going to answer your own questions?

The article was what I said already, a motive. He wasn't impeached and you seem to think that's favorable to exonerate that government, but it actually does the opposite. It shows perhaps suppressing data worked in his favor. After all, his discussions with China surely shed some light on how China was planning on dealing with it from a global optics perspective - just suppress data. If caught say you were using a different tabulation method.

[ChumpDumper]

The article was what I said already, a motive. He wasn't impeached and you seem to think that's favorable to exonerate that government, but it actually does the opposite. It shows perhaps suppressing data worked in his favor. After all, his discussions with China surely shed some light on how China was planning on dealing with it from a global optics perspective - just suppress data. If caught say you were using a different tabulation method.Are you going to even look to see what the ROK did in March and April that might answer your questions?

Yes or no.

[DMC]

Are you going to even look to see what the ROK did in March and April that might answer your questions?

Yes or no.

You mean look at the stats I don't believe to be true or the articles written by people who believed what SK told them?

I know what they did already. They did massive testing, quarantine, contact tracing very strict. That's all fine and good, but unless you think they lasso'ed the entire group of infected folks with voluntary testing, symptomatic or not, despite false negatives, and they recovered at that rate, then you have to question the data.

[ChumpDumper]

You mean look at the stats I don't believe to be true or the articles written by people who believed what SK told them?

I know what they did already. They did massive testing, quarantine, contact tracing very strict. That's all fine and good, but unless you think they lasso'ed the entire group of infected folks with voluntary testing, symptomatic or not, despite false negatives, and they recovered at that rate, then you have to question the data.Not really. You're missing what might be the biggest factor of all. The Korean people basically shut everything down and masked up without even being ordered to. It wasn't their first rodeo.

And you're still arguing from incredulity.

[FrostKing]

Rumor: Easteners (compared to Western Europeans) aren't catching Corona because we got shot after birth for tuberculosis

[DMC]

Not really. You're missing what might be the biggest factor of all. The Korean people basically shut everything down and masked up without even being ordered to. It wasn't their first rodeo.

And you're still arguing from incredulity.

Even if what you say is true, even if 50 million people did that, they are not immune to the virus (supposedly) therefore the fact there are still new cases means there are still people testing positive, people who weren't testing positive before. Unless you think a mask keeps everyone (everyone) from catching the virus in a place that small with 50 million people, then you need to explain how they keep the other people who weren't tested from being infected by the yet to be discovered cases. That should be happening already, which I suspect it is.

[ChumpDumper]

Even if what you say is true, even if 50 million people did that, they are not immune to the virus (supposedly) therefore the fact there are still new cases means there are still people testing positive, people who weren't testing positive before. Unless you think a mask keeps everyone (everyone) from catching the virus in a place that small with 50 million people, then you need to explain how they keep the other people who weren't tested from being infected by the yet to be discovered cases. That should be happening already, which I suspect it is.No one needs to explain anything. You are doing nothing to answer your own questions and insist on arguing from incredulity.

You're content with pushing your fallacy.

[DMC]

No one needs to explain anything. You are doing nothing to answer your own questions and insist on arguing from incredulity.

You're content with pushing your fallacy.

I gave my opinion based on the charts. No fallacies involved other than the strawman arguments I have to keep avoiding from your side.

[ducks]

Poll Shows Big Latino Support for Trump Virus Response

[ChumpDumper]

I gave my opinion based on the charts. No fallacies involved other than the strawman arguments I have to keep avoiding from your side.Of course arguing from incredulity is a fallacy.

[ChumpDumper]

Poll Shows Big Latino Support for Trump Virus Response45% isn't very big.

69 percent agreed that Trump ignored the early warning signs of coronavirus, hurting thousands of Americans due to his delays and incomplete response

Now 69 percent is a big number.

[ElNono]

Yeah, our media is where Trump got the line about the cure being worse than the disease and all of a sudden he wanted to open the country back up on the back of that slogan.

Hopefully that's not old Joe's slogan, tbh

[ElNono]

"Our numbers"

That's your row to hoe. I never suggested anything of the sort.

Where do you suppose new cases are coming from, and does SK have a magically lower transmissivity rate than the ROTW other than China?

Nothing magical about it, it's called massive testing and contact tracing... you know, taking those things seriously.

Now, clearly they were more prepared since the already went through SARS and what not...

[Reck]

:lol DMC

[ChumpDumper]

Nothing magical about it, it's called massive testing and contact tracing... you know, taking those things seriously.

Now, clearly they were more prepared since the already went through SARS and what not...And they are used to getting everything delivered so it was no big deal for them to hole up on their own.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1253902977481543681?s=19

WHOtube strikes again

[Reck]

YouTube wants people to live and have the potential to enrich them with clicks. Shocker that they don’t want you to die and halt revenue.

[Chris]

YouTube wants people to live and have the potential to enrich them with clicks. Shocker that they don’t want you to die and halt revenue.

https://i.imgur.com/sH88Hrq.gif

[Reck]

https://i.imgur.com/sH88Hrq.gif

Why is this funny? You are an example of what I just said. You posted a YouTube video complaining about YouTube while providing them with the coveted view they wanted out of you.

[Chris]

Why is this funny? You are an example of what I just said. You posted a YouTube video complaining about YouTube while providing them with the coveted view they wanted out of you.

gatewaypundit.com is not a youtube video, nor is the tweet that contained the link

What you said was so asinine, but it's coming from you, so I thought it was hilarious :lol

[Blake]

gatewaypundit.com is not a youtube video, nor is the tweet that contained the link

What you said was so asinine, but it's coming from you, so I thought it was hilarious :lol

Gatewaypundit is serious shit! SERIOUS SHIT!

[Reck]

gatewaypundit.com is not a youtube video, nor is the tweet that contained the link

What you said was so asinine, but it's coming from you, so I thought it was hilarious :lol

lol *clicks on the tweet>gatepundit site>youtube video on it.*

:lol Chrisbot

[ElNono]

YouTube wants people to live and have the potential to enrich them with clicks. Shocker that they don’t want you to die and halt revenue.

Don't forget to buy the coffee mug after watching the video.

[Trainwreck2100]

Don't forget to buy the coffee mug after watching the video.





if we don't support them they can't continue taking stupid people's money

[boutons_deux]

"No evidence" that recovered COVID-19 patients cannot be reinfected: WHO

the United Nations agency warned governments against issuing “immunity passports” or “risk-free certificates” to people who have been infected as their accuracy could not be guaranteed.

Most studies have shown that people who have recovered from infection have antibodies to the virus, the WHO said.

However, some of them have very low levels of neutralizing antibodies in their blood,

“suggesting that cellular immunity may also be critical for recovery”,

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who/no-evidence-that-recovered-covid-19-patients-cannot-be-reinfected-who-idUSKCN2270FB?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FhealthNews+%28Reute rs+Health+News%29 (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who/no-evidence-that-recovered-covid-19-patients-cannot-be-reinfected-who-idUSKCN2270FB?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FhealthNews+%28Reute rs+Health+News%29)

================

Covid-19 antibody tests face a very specific problem

Dozens of antibody tests for immunity to Covid-19 have been released onto the market around the world, so far with little regulatory oversight.

This is set to change, with the FDA, CDC and NIH saying last week (https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-serological-test-validation-and-education-efforts) that they will work together to validate the accuracy of the tests on sale in the US.

But these agencies have not stated

what level of accuracy they might consider sufficient,

and by no means all manufacturers of these antibody blood tests have released data on their products’ sensitivity and specificity.

"some of the tests on the market “are not worth anything, or have very little use”. (sez Roche coming with their own test)
29 commercial assays designed to detect antibodies to the novel coronavirus are on sale in the US,

only three of which have been granted the FDA’s backing in the form of an emergency use authorisation.

But none of these tests, even those with EUAs, have had their accuracy evaluated by the FDA or any other regulatory body.

https://www.evaluate.com/vantage/articles/analysis/spotlight/covid-19-antibody-tests-face-very-specific-problem (https://www.evaluate.com/vantage/articles/analysis/spotlight/covid-19-antibody-tests-face-very-specific-problem)

So anybody believing that Ms of people have tested positive is naive to conclude C19 is mostly harmless is a fucking fool.

False-positives are still a huge problem, with so many mfr-approved tests being rushed out.

False-positives combined with Ms "excess deaths" not counted as C19 deaths will be abused by Repugs to force Labor to go back to work to keep profits flowing to Capital.

[picnroll]

Best study to date on COVID antibody testing

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cd1628cau09288a/SARS-CoV-2_Serology_Manuscript.pdf?referringSource=articleS hare

[Nathan89]

""What bothers me about this is that Gary was a very intelligent man, a retired [mechanical] engineer who designed systems for John Deere in Waterloo, Iowa, and I really can't see the scenario where Gary would say, ‘Yes, please, I would love to drink some of that Koi fish tank cleaner,'" one of his close friends told the Washington Free Beacon. "It just doesn't make any sense.""

""In our opinion, their marriage was seen outwardly to be as one-sided as a marriage possibly could be: Gary worshiped Wanda," this person said, adding that his wife "would routinely call him a ‘doofus'" and humiliate him in public."

"Lenius's friend recalled Wanda Lenius destroying her husband's aircraft model collection after he returned home late for a meal."

""These planes take many dozens and sometimes hundreds of hours to complete," said the friend."

"In another recent instance, the same friend said Wanda Lenius broke her husband's laptop screen, allegedly because she was angry he had updated the Windows software on her computer."

"The couple had gotten into an argument "concerning counseling and a possible divorce" during which Wanda allegedly hit her husband in the chest and swung a mounted birdhouse at him, according to a court affidavit from the responding officer, William Sauerbrei."

https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/man-who-died-ingesting-fish-tank-cleaner-remembered-as-intelligent-levelheaded/

The abusive Democrat trusts Trump so much that she decided to self medicate and her smart engineer husband decides to do it with her. The abusive lady lives and the smart guy does not. This was Trump's fault apparently :lol

[DMC]

Best study to date on COVID antibody testing

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cd1628cau09288a/SARS-CoV-2_Serology_Manuscript.pdf?referringSource=articleS hare

:tu

Thanks!

[boutons_deux]

Best study to date on COVID antibody testing

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cd1628cau09288a/SARS-CoV-2_Serology_Manuscript.pdf?referringSource=articleS hare

"heterogeneous assay performance" :lol

iow, plenty variation, as low as 75% agreement between and IgM and IgG

I'd say the researchers still have ways to go, yet.

Real science, esp biological science, can be excruciatingly slow

We'll just have to wait.

Lots of tests coming on to the market, looking for the pile of gold, but not verified, so treat them until then, as scammers

"training readers" could be done by AI as it has been proven to read breast cancer images more reliably than doctors.

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YATYsgi3e5A


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w

[DMC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YATYsgi3e5A


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w

Maybe good, maybe not. If it gives people a false sense of security so they no longer disinfect surfaces, could be bad. Like that little indicator on your side mirror that says there's a car next to you - it's designed to stop you from changing lanes into another car but it can also make you think it's safe to change lanes if the light is off, without even looking and that's not the purpose of the light.

[boutons_deux]

"heterogeneous assay performance" :lol

iow, plenty variation, as low as 75% agreement between and IgM and IgG

I'd say the researchers still have ways to go, yet.

Real science, esp biological science, can be excruciatingly slow

We'll just have to wait.

Lots of tests coming on to the market, looking for the pile of gold, but not verified, so treat them until then, as scammers

"training readers" could be done by AI as it has been proven to read breast cancer images more reliably than doctors.



and that's just testing for C19

NOT a treatment

NOT a vaccine

All 3 are needed to win this shitty war.

until then, the only proven defense is social distancing plus tracking once a victim is identified

they are not even sure what level, if any, of anti-bodies confer immunity.

How wold one like to be "false positive-d" and forced into quarantine, and tracked when one are really a true-negative?

[boutons_deux]

“I Take That as a Threat”:

Big Pharma Is Meddling in the Race for a COVID-19 Treatment

A Yale researcher poised to start a crucial clinical trial received an ominous email from a pharmaceutical company.

“There is undoubtedly a financial motivation,” he said—and there could be millions on the line.

In New Haven, meanwhile, Dr. Joseph Vinetz, an infectious disease doctor at Yale School of Medicine, is seeking to launch a clinical study of the drug

camostat mesylate, a generic medication

approved in Japan to treat chronic pancreatitis that

he hopes can be approved and marketed to treat COVID-19.

If the trial succeeds, he said, this could be ”a total game changer.”

But the process is proving fraught.

Within hours of registering his trial on a National Institutes of Health website on April 20,

he received an email from a large U.S. pharmaceutical company.

“They are trying to take my project and engulf it for their proprietary [financial] gain,” Vinetz told me.

“I take that email as a threat.”

Unlike hydroxychloroquine,

camostat is a drug researchers believe

may have promising effects on COVID-19.

It’s also being studied in countries including Germany and Denmark.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/big-pharma-meddling-in-race-for-covid-19-treatment?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_HivePS_042520&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_HivePS_042520&utm_term=VYF_Hive (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/big-pharma-meddling-in-race-for-covid-19-treatment?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=vf&utm_mailing=VF_HivePS_042520&utm_medium=email&bxid=5bd6795524c17c1048022fcc&cndid=43758549&hasha=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&hashb=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&hashc=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee7 62b722fbba6ab378f2f5&esrc=bounceX&utm_campaign=VF_HivePS_042520&utm_term=VYF_Hive)

[boutons_deux]

Two Antibody Studies Say Coronavirus Infections Are More Common Than We Think.

Scientists Are Mad.

In California, two of the nation’s first big antibody surveys estimated that the true number of coronavirus infections is significantly higher than believed. But scientists are skeptical.

Right-wing and libertarian sites (https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/04/18/820881/) :lol :lol immediately seized (https://mises.org/wire/experts-have-no-idea-how-many-covid-19-cases-there-are) on the findings,

arguing that the economic shutdown has not been worth the public health gains.

critics (https://twitter.com/wfithian/status/1252692357788479488)called out (https://twitter.com/NimwegenLab/status/1251250326256209920)what they saw (https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1251332453630791680)as significant problems (https://twitter.com/AlanMCole/status/1251493794039705600) with, or at least big questions about (https://twitter.com/wfithian/status/1252692365204058112), how the scientists had arrived at them.

Chief among their concerns was the accuracy of the test underpinning both studies, and

whether the scientists had fully accounted for the number of false positives it might generate.

“I think the authors of the above-linked paper owe us all an apology,”

“I think they need to apologize because these were avoidable screw-ups.

They’re the kind of screw-ups that happen if you want to leap out with an exciting finding and

you don’t look too carefully at what you might have done wrong.”

Criticism #1: The scientists sought media attention before having supporting dat

Criticism #2: The antibody test’s accuracy rates may be shakier than presented.

Criticism #3: The Santa Clara County study picked and sorted participants in questionable ways.

No matter how many people may or may not be infected —

numbers that scientists won’t be able to pin down for a long time —

the real numbers that matter right now, in terms of conveying the threat of the disease, are

those of the bodies ending up in ICU beds and funeral homes.

“Either way, we’re ending up with a lot of people being hospitalized and dying,” she said.

“Everyone needs to keep that part in mind.”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/coronavirus-antibody-test-santa-clara-los-angeles-stanford?utm_term=OZY&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PDB%20(2020-04-25%2010%3A59%3A29)

[hater]

Russia about to enter their peak

Moscow will be Nyc part 2

Russian Politicians also getting infected

shits getting real

[hater]

And to top it off Khabib Nurgamedovs father just got hospitalized with pneumonia :wow

got damn Corona raping us :cry

[Winehole23]

Hair salons in GA now competing for PPE with hospitals.

Have GA seen its caseload peak yet?

[DarrinS]

Maybe good, maybe not. If it gives people a false sense of security so they no longer disinfect surfaces, could be bad. Like that little indicator on your side mirror that says there's a car next to you - it's designed to stop you from changing lanes into another car but it can also make you think it's safe to change lanes if the light is off, without even looking and that's not the purpose of the light.

Probably very expensive to put these lights everywhere.

[Winehole23]

""What bothers me about this is that Gary was a very intelligent man, a retired [mechanical] engineer who designed systems for John Deere in Waterloo, Iowa, and I really can't see the scenario where Gary would say, ‘Yes, please, I would love to drink some of that Koi fish tank cleaner,'" one of his close friends told the Washington Free Beacon. "It just doesn't make any sense.""

""In our opinion, their marriage was seen outwardly to be as one-sided as a marriage possibly could be: Gary worshiped Wanda," this person said, adding that his wife "would routinely call him a ‘doofus'" and humiliate him in public."

"Lenius's friend recalled Wanda Lenius destroying her husband's aircraft model collection after he returned home late for a meal."

""These planes take many dozens and sometimes hundreds of hours to complete," said the friend."

"In another recent instance, the same friend said Wanda Lenius broke her husband's laptop screen, allegedly because she was angry he had updated the Windows software on her computer."

"The couple had gotten into an argument "concerning counseling and a possible divorce" during which Wanda allegedly hit her husband in the chest and swung a mounted birdhouse at him, according to a court affidavit from the responding officer, William Sauerbrei."

https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/man-who-died-ingesting-fish-tank-cleaner-remembered-as-intelligent-levelheaded/

The abusive Democrat trusts Trump so much that she decided to self medicate and her smart engineer husband decides to do it with her. The abusive lady lives and the smart guy does not. This was Trump's fault apparently :lol
The low key manslaughter admission by the guy's wife in that article was striking to me.


Lenius passed away on March 22 after he and his wife, Wanda Lenius, drank sodas that she had mixed with a fish tank [cleaner] not intended for human consumption, Wanda Lenius told the Free Beacon.

[Winehole23]

The early count on what COVID-19 does to the body:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/comments/g5ipeu/early_understanding_of_the_pathological_impact_of/

[phxspurfan]

For COVID-19 Patients, Could Breathing Easier Be as Simple as Flipping Over?

http://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/covid-19-bu-sph-lying-prone

One in four patients who arrive at Boston Medical Center (BMC) with COVID-19 go into the intensive care unit (...) there may be a way to keep more patients from needing the ICU’s limited space and ventilators. “It’s as simple as flipping on your stomach”

Years before the new coronavirus emerged, research showed that prone positioning reduced deaths among patients with acute respiratory distress syndrome—the condition that is now often the cause of death in COVID-19 patients.

The idea, Bosch explains, is that the part of the lungs that is best at pulling oxygen into the blood is along a person’s back. When a patient lies on their back, that part of the lungs gets too much blood and not enough oxygen. Prone positioning gives that back part of the lungs a better ratio. “It’s just gravity,” Bosch says.

[hater]

this is fucked up

this healthy pro athlete is in a coma with Covid :wow

https://twitter.com/actufoot_/status/1254112756728508419?s=21

corona raping us :cry

[baseline bum]

this is fucked up

this healthy pro athlete is in a coma with Covid :wow

https://twitter.com/actufoot_/status/1254112756728508419?s=21

corona raping us :cry

Already had a poorball player in Iran die from COVID in February

[Reck]

They’re not going out pretty either. They’re getting heart attacks on top of the virus itself.

Terrible new development.

[hater]

Already had a poorball player in Iran die from COVID in February

how many dead will we have by december?

if theres even a solid wave 2 say 200k americans and 5 million worldwide?

[SnakeBoy]

For COVID-19 Patients, Could Breathing Easier Be as Simple as Flipping Over?

http://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/covid-19-bu-sph-lying-prone

One in four patients who arrive at Boston Medical Center (BMC) with COVID-19 go into the intensive care unit (...) there may be a way to keep more patients from needing the ICU’s limited space and ventilators. “It’s as simple as flipping on your stomach”

Years before the new coronavirus emerged, research showed that prone positioning reduced deaths among patients with acute respiratory distress syndrome—the condition that is now often the cause of death in COVID-19 patients.

The idea, Bosch explains, is that the part of the lungs that is best at pulling oxygen into the blood is along a person’s back. When a patient lies on their back, that part of the lungs gets too much blood and not enough oxygen. Prone positioning gives that back part of the lungs a better ratio. “It’s just gravity,” Bosch says.

Maybe we just flip them over
-SCIENCE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=WFaarcX1y-A&feature=emb_logo

[boutons_deux]

Hair salons in GA now competing for PPE with hospitals.

Have GA seen its caseload peak yet?

too early.

C19 can take up to 7 or more days to grow the virus load to symptomatic level, then 2 - 8 weeks to kill.

[TheGreatYacht]

Typical Chumpy, not at all interested in the content, just the presenters. And since he waited 7 minutes to respond to the latest, he actually watched part then pretended to guess the contents as a defense to his first knee jerk reponse.

Another display of dishonesty by the dishonest hermit troglodyte.

Why were you unbolded?

[hater]

:wow Virginia commissioner says the phase 1 lockdown could take 2 years :wow

https://twitter.com/osint220/status/1254132848954662912?s=21

[Nathan89]

The low key manslaughter admission by the guy's wife in that article was striking to me.

The media and people on here couldn't resist blaming Trump for what is increasingly looking like murder. Imagine the joy she had when national narrative blamed the President for her actions.

[Nathan89]

For COVID-19 Patients, Could Breathing Easier Be as Simple as Flipping Over?

http://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/covid-19-bu-sph-lying-prone

One in four patients who arrive at Boston Medical Center (BMC) with COVID-19 go into the intensive care unit (...) there may be a way to keep more patients from needing the ICU’s limited space and ventilators. “It’s as simple as flipping on your stomach”

Years before the new coronavirus emerged, research showed that prone positioning reduced deaths among patients with acute respiratory distress syndrome—the condition that is now often the cause of death in COVID-19 patients.

The idea, Bosch explains, is that the part of the lungs that is best at pulling oxygen into the blood is along a person’s back. When a patient lies on their back, that part of the lungs gets too much blood and not enough oxygen. Prone positioning gives that back part of the lungs a better ratio. “It’s just gravity,” Bosch says.

Thanks for posting this little tip.

[Winehole23]

The media and people on here couldn't resist blaming Trump for what is increasingly looking like murder. Imagine the joy she had when national narrative blamed the President for her actions.It takes awhile for facts to come out. Looks like blaming this one on Trump was hasty.

[ChumpDumper]

The media and people on here couldn't resist blaming Trump for what is increasingly looking like murder. Imagine the joy she had when national narrative blamed the President for her actions.So Trump merely inspired a murder.

That's...better?

[DarrinS]

Interview with Dr. Zelenko

At 6:35


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXEMLA46W5I

[hater]

US fucking sucks tbqh

look at new zealand covid info page. they are fucking organized

https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-system/covid-19-alert-system

[ChumpDumper]

Interview with Dr. Zelenko

At 6:35


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXEMLA46W5IAre we supposed to know what you're talking about?

[DarrinS]

Are we supposed to know what you're talking about?

The interview is in English

[ChumpDumper]

The interview is in EnglishThat doesn't answer my question.

Just say who this guy is supposed to be.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1254108346367557633?s=20

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1254108346367557633?s=20Cuomo:tu

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1254108346367557633?s=20That's what's supposed to happen when testing gets expanded past the sickest and most deserving.

You do know we've been rationing tests, right?

[phxspurfan]

Thanks for posting this little tip.

BU (my alma mater) seems to always put out solid medical research (as simple as this one is). They even have a very good school of public health, in case you want to read their sites / fb page and geek out at the info

[phxspurfan]

https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-system/covid-19-alert-system

Nice site, very detailed levels

[Reck]

Cuomo:tu

Good Nate wants Biden to drop out so Cuomo can take Trump’s lunch. Lol

[DMC]

All states minus NY, NJ and MI sorted by deaths

LA test/death really lagging most other states.

Texas isn't stellar.

Tests in red
Deaths in blue

https://i.imgur.com/yrnZnec.jpg?1



All states (I think) not including territories

https://i.imgur.com/BW43zy8.jpg?1

[ElNono]

All states minus NY, NJ and MI sorted by deaths

LA test/death really lagging most other states.

Texas isn't stellar.

Tests in red
Deaths in blue

https://i.imgur.com/yrnZnec.jpg?1



All states (I think) not including territories

https://i.imgur.com/BW43zy8.jpg?1

What are we to glance for this?

[DMC]

What are we to glance for this?

Are you asking where you can find it or what to glean from it?

I gather from it that some states aren't testing much even if their death totals say they should, and that the top 3 states really skew the overall death rate of the 50 states combined.

The resolution could be better but I resized to keep from breaking the forum.

[ElNono]

Are you asking where you can find it or what to glean from it?

I gather from it that some states aren't testing much even if their death totals say they should, and that the top 3 states really skew the overall death rate of the 50 states combined.

The resolution could be better but I resized to keep from breaking the forum.

Thanks, I was wondering what you thought interesting about it. Yeah, testing has been hard to come by, but apparently accelerating now.

I do, however, think some states have yet to ramp up then peak. At least the models being used indicate so. Last I checked pointed to June 1st, to have all states on the lower end of the curve (provided we keep the current stay at home situation).

[DarrinS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIpR56oEQhs

[Splits]

how many dead will we have by december?

if theres even a solid wave 2 say 200k americans and 5 million worldwide?

By end of July US will have ~150k deaths. The bleed out of this thing is unknown, and what's happening in Italy and Spain is not promising especially while daily new infections are more than the total infections every country on the globe except ~12. If I had to put a guess on Jan 1, 2021 I'd say 270k.

[TSA]

By end of July US will have ~150k deaths. The bleed out of this thing is unknown, and what's happening in Italy and Spain is not promising especially while daily new infections are more than the total infections every country on the globe except ~12. If I had to put a guess on Jan 1, 2021 I'd say 270k.

Oh stop you’re getting Manny hard again

[Splits]

https://i.imgur.com/C66Lfd7.png

This is not good, and the reason is it puts the US into a statistical unknown. What's happened so far was easily predicted by looking at Italy, but this volume of new cases is unprecedented territory.

[Winehole23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIpR56oEQhs
Don't ever give up on det magic bullet.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you asking where you can find it or what to glean from it?

I gather from it that some states aren't testing much even if their death totals say they should, and that the top 3 states really skew the overall death rate of the 50 states combined.

The resolution could be better but I resized to keep from breaking the forum.Pretty sure the software resizes pics to fit the page now and we can open them in a new tab to get full res.

[ElNono]

Pretty sure the software resizes pics to fit the page now and we can open them in a new tab to get full res.

Not those pics... but I was more interested in what he thought those graphs meant.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIpR56oEQhsI'm not going to watch a chiropractor talk about prescription medicine experiments.

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/C66Lfd7.png

This is not good, and the reason is it puts the US into a statistical unknown. What's happened so far was easily predicted by looking at Italy, but this volume of new cases is unprecedented territory.

1 state has 33% of those new cases and 3 combined states have 60% of the US total new cases.

NY is testing far and away more than other states so I expect them to have a lot of new cases. Look at hospitalizations. Just being positive for the virus doesn't equate to an emergency. NY has 57K people hospitalized for COVID-19. The next highest reporting state has under 7K. 7K is nothing to scoff at, but a lot of resources should be poured into NY to abate this.

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1254168730898173953?s=19

:tu

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1254168730898173953?s=19

:tu:lol Trump declares victory after shooting himself and retreating

[Nathan89]

https://i.imgur.com/C66Lfd7.png

This is not good, and the reason is it puts the US into a statistical unknown. What's happened so far was easily predicted by looking at Italy, but this volume of new cases is unprecedented territory.

As long as the hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1254168730898173953?s=19

:tu

Media changed the equation when they realized Trump's poll numbers were going up.

[ChumpDumper]

Media changed the equation when they realized Trump's poll numbers were going up.Trump destroyed the micro rally round the flag bump all by himself by overexposing himself in his Bataan death briefings.

[Chris]

Media changed the equation when they realized Trump's poll numbers were going up.

Media wants to debate Trump on camera and drive narratives. Obama had those types of reporters removed from the scene.

[ChumpDumper]

Media wants to debate Trump on camera and drive narratives. Obama had those types of reporters removed from the scene.Trump removed himself from the scene.

[DarrinS]

I'm not going to watch a chiropractor talk about prescription medicine experiments.

Ok.

[Chris]

"Trump's not doing anything! 50,000 dead because of Trump!"

*Trump holds daily briefings with Media

"Trump is overexposing himself!"

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1254059575306792960?s=19

[Winehole23]

Ok.It would be vwry cool ifbwe had something handy that worked on COVID-19, but two different countries have already stopped clinical trials because they thought it was too dangerous. France and Brazil and the US NIH could all be wrong, but the trend isn't looking good for hydroxychloroquine.

Maybe it's time to consider something else.

How many do overs does this drug need?

[ChumpDumper]

"Trump's not doing anything! 50,000 dead because of Trump!"

*Trump holds daily briefings with Media

"Trump is overexposing himself!"Qhris things holding two-hour grievance airing sessions a day is doing something about a pandemic.

[picnroll]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1254059575306792960?s=19

This Japanese Island Lifted Its Coronavirus Lockdown Too Soon and Became a Warning to the World
Hokkaido, Japan, locked down early and contained the outbreak. When the governor lifted restrictions, a second wave hit even harder

https://apple.news/A0lbgreVIS56KVbfmrAdwgQ

What happens when MAGAT retards push to open to soon and to stupid.

[slick'81]

This Japanese Island Lifted Its Coronavirus Lockdown Too Soon and Became a Warning to the World
Hokkaido, Japan, locked down early and contained the outbreak. When the governor lifted restrictions, a second wave hit even harder

https://apple.news/A0lbgreVIS56KVbfmrAdwgQ

What happens when MAGAT retards push to open to soon and to stupid.


The usa is about to find out

[DarrinS]

It would be vwry cool ifbwe had something handy that worked on COVID-19, but two different countries have already stopped clinical trials because they thought it was too dangerous. France and Brazil and the US NIH could all be wrong, but the trend isn't looking good for hydroxychloroquine.

Maybe it's time to consider something else.

How many do overs does this drug need?


The one in Brazil was chloroquine, not hydroxychloroquine.

[Chris]

You guys ready for your federal mandated vaccines? Nevermind, Hillary didn't win the election :tu

Can you imagine their plans for mail in voting, mass immigration, and sanctuary states with zero law enforcement?

Trump saved our bacon bigly.

[ChumpDumper]

You guys ready for your federal mandated vaccines? Nevermind, Hillary didn't win the election :tu

Can you imagine their plans for mail in voting, mass immigration, and sanctuary states with zero law enforcement?

Trump saved our bacon bigly.Would you take a Trump FDA approved coronavirus vaccine?

Yes or no.

[Winehole23]

The one in Brazil was chloroquine, not hydroxychloroquine.Appreciate the correction.

Why do you distrust the French trial and the NIH?

[Chris]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1254146888993067011?s=19

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1254146888993067011?s=19some police state they've got there.

pick a lane.

[SnakeBoy]

It would be vwry cool ifbwe had something handy that worked on COVID-19, but two different countries have already stopped clinical trials because they thought it was too dangerous. France and Brazil and the US NIH could all be wrong, but the trend isn't looking good for hydroxychloroquine.

Maybe it's time to consider something else.

How many do overs does this drug need?

Give up because of a couple anecdotes

but ya'll are hoping it works right?

[DarrinS]

Appreciate the correction.

Why do you distrust the French trial and the NIH?

Do you have a link?


I know the FDA warned about people taking hydoxychloroquine or chloroquine "outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial", but I've never heard anyone suggest otherwise.

[Chris]

some police state they've got there.

pick a lane.

sanctuary state

Total chaos brought to you by Democrats/Soros :tu

Don't worry they will provide a solution that involves lining their pockets.

Hegelian Dialectic demands it.

[ChumpDumper]

sanctuary state

Total chaos brought to you by Democrats/Soros :tu

Don't worry they will provide a solution that involves lining their pockets.

Hegelian Dialectic demands it.Doesn't really look like chaos though.

Have you ever been to California?

[Nathan89]

This Japanese Island Lifted Its Coronavirus Lockdown Too Soon and Became a Warning to the World
Hokkaido, Japan, locked down early and contained the outbreak. When the governor lifted restrictions, a second wave hit even harder

https://apple.news/A0lbgreVIS56KVbfmrAdwgQ

What happens when MAGAT retards push to open to soon and to stupid.

The same thing that will happen when you open later. The goal is to not overwhelm the hospitals. Was Japan unable to handle patients at the hospital?

[Winehole23]

Do you have a link?


I know the FDA warned about people taking hydoxychloroquine or chloroquine "outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial", but I've never heard anyone suggest otherwise.While the NIH doean't presume to prohibit doctors from prescribing, I see no language saying it's ok to use hyroxychloroquine outside a clinical trial, period.


The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) does not recommend the use of any agents for pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) outside of the setting of a clinical trial (AIII).
The Panel does not recommend the use of any agents for post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP) against SARS-CoV-2 infection outside of the setting of a clinical trial (AIII).
The Panel recommends no additional laboratory testing and no specific treatment for persons with suspected or confirmed asymptomatic or presymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection (AIII).
At present, no drug has been proven to be safe and effective for treating COVID-19. There are insufficient data to recommend either for or against the use of any antiviral or immunomodulatory therapy in patients with COVID-19 who have mild, moderate, severe, or critical illness (AIII).

https://covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/overview/

[Winehole23]

So maybe hydroxychloroquine will be vindicated in further trials. It's just kind of weird there are so many non-specialists hyping it.

Or maybe not so weird.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE?

[Nathan89]

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1254192404749586433?s=20

Damn, testing is growing quite quickly after stagnating for way too long. Seemed like two weeks in the 100k-140k range.

[DarrinS]

So maybe hydroxychloroquine will be vindicated in further trials. It's just kind of weird there are so many non-specialists hyping it.

Or maybe not so weird.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE?


It's the zinc that theoretically stops the virus replication. HCQ just helps get it into the cell. At least, that's my understanding.

I know ventilators are not the answer.

[slick'81]

I know ventilators are not the answer.

Not unless you want to die

[Winehole23]

It's the zinc that theoretically stops the virus replication. HCQ just helps get it into the cell. At least, that's my understanding.

I know ventilators are not the answer.Who says ventilators are the answer?

[DarrinS]

Who says ventilators are the answer?


We need something that keeps people out of hospital and definitely off ventilators.

[Winehole23]

We need something that keeps people out of hospital and definitely off ventilators.Sure, mechanical aspiration is to be avoided if at all possible. I don't think anyone has touted respirators as a cure, it's just an extreme way to keep people oxygenated.

[DarrinS]

Sure, mechanical aspiration is to be avoided if at all possible. I don't think anyone has touted respirators as a cure, it's just an extreme way to keep people oxygenated.

By the way, whatever works is fine with me. If that something is NOT HCQ, so be it.

[baseline bum]

It's the zinc that theoretically stops the virus replication. HCQ just helps get it into the cell. At least, that's my understanding.

I know ventilators are not the answer.

Do you know of any clinical trials using both together? God I hope we're not stuck just letting it run its course through everyone completely unchecked until we have a vaccine.

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1254168730898173953?s=19

:tu

:depressed "hostile questions"

[apalisoc_9]

:depressed "hostile questions"

"Mr President, you mentioned yesterday about the potential of Clorox to cure coronavirus..Can you spoke more about that please"

" See this is the problem with you..Fake news. Making stories up..You're not a great reporter"

[Blake]

"Mr President, you mentioned yesterday about the potential of Clorox to cure coronavirus..Can you spoke more about that please"

" See this is the problem with you..Fake news. Making stories up..You're not a great reporter"

TAKING MUH BALL AND GOING HOME

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1254168730898173953?s=19

:tu

Great news :tu:tu:tu

Hopefully Dr Birx and Dr Fauci can continue to give actual sane information through all outlets.

[DarrinS]

Do you know of any clinical trials using both together? God I hope we're not stuck just letting it run its course through everyone completely unchecked until we have a vaccine.

Not sure


https://www.clinicaltrials.gov

[pgardn]

Great news :tu:tu:tu

Hopefully Dr Birx and Dr Fauci can continue to give actual sane information through all outlets.

Dr Birx had an anxiety attack at the last Trump TV comedy show.
She is older and needs to stay out of the room when he comes on.

Im sorry Dr Birx, but the look on your face was priceless.
I had to laugh, and cry for you at the same time.

[ChumpDumper]

Dr Birx had an anxiety attack at the last Trump TV comedy show.
She is older and needs to stay out of the room when he comes on.

Im sorry Dr Birx, but the look on your face was priceless.
I had to laugh, and cry for you at the same time.[/curbyourenthusiasmendcredits]

[Reck]

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1254059575306792960?s=19

Oh are you under the illusion that this will be over by late June and that’s it? :lol

By default we’ll be stuck with this for at least a year without a vaccine. So is 2 years really that hard to believe?

[Spurminator]

Media changed the equation when they realized Trump's poll numbers were going up.

The approval bump Donald Trump got from COVID was historically low compared to other crises of this magnitude, and you're fucking retarded if you think that bump had anything to do with his daily campaign rally. He was gifted a disaster and still couldn't keep from shooting himself in the foot.

[DarrinS]

Not sure


https://www.clinicaltrials.gov



https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04326725

[DarrinS]

This is just a thing that is with us now. Forever

At the end of the day, you are just waiting your turn to get it. Hopefully, you're not one of the unlucky ones that gets a bad outcome.


Thanks China.

[Winehole23]

Supply and demand shocks in meatpacking:


In Minnesota, it’s so bad that some farmers have resorted to “destroying” full-grown hogs, Bloomberg reported Thursday.

“Hog farmers don’t have the facilities to hold the animals and when they grow too large to be handled by packers, growers don’t have much choice”, the linked article reads, noting that north of the border, Canadian producers are losing money. Apparently, the hog backlog (if you will) stood at nearly 100,000 in eastern Canada as of last Friday.

Ultimately, we’re in a situation where nearly 25% of pork production is offline in the US. For beef, the number is around 10%. That’s according to United Food & Commercial Workers who said the following in an urgent statement on Thursday:

The UFCW also released new updates on the serious and deadly impact of the Covid-19 virus. As of today, and based on UFCW internal estimates, 10 meatpacking workers and 3 food processing workers have died. In addition, at least 5,000 meatpacking workers and 1,500 food processing workers have been directly impacted by the virus. The estimates of those meatpacking and processing workers directly impacted includes individuals who have tested positive for COVID-19, missed work due to self-quarantine, are awaiting test results, or have been hospitalized and/or are symptomatic.

In total, the UFCW identified that 13 plants have closed at some point in the past two months. These closures have resulted in over 24,500 workers impacted and a 25 percent reduction in pork slaughter capacity and a 10 percent reduction in beef slaughter capacity.https://heisenbergreport.com/2020/04/24/as-much-as-25-of-americas-meat-production-is-offline-looming-shortages-show-covids-inflationary-side/

[midnightpulp]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1254146888993067011?s=19

:lmao. Why do you follow bald face liars? They weren't "defying shit." The beaches were reopen:


Coronavirus lockdowns were lifted at beaches across Orange County as temperatures surpassed 80 degrees.

I'm okay with this, too. More and more concrete information about this virus is showing that it doesn't transmit well in open air and is possibly inactivated by UV light. Australia could be an example of this, as they had beaches open, and have one of the most controlled outbreaks in the world. An "authoritarian" wouldn't reopen anything in light of better information.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/california-governor-reopen-beaches-coronavirus-us

[ElNono]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW56CL0pk0g

[ChumpDumper]

Here we go....

Bar and nightclub owners say they could begin opening their doors to the public within the next few weeks.

The proposed roll-out would begin in two phases with restaurants opening first on May 5 and bars and nightclubs coming two weeks later on May 19, according to the Texas Bar and Nightclub Association....

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/texas-bars-and-nightclubs-push-to-reopen-in-early-may-along-with-restaurants/

[midnightpulp]

Here we go....

Bar and nightclub owners say they could begin opening their doors to the public within the next few weeks.

The proposed roll-out would begin in two phases with restaurants opening first on May 5 and bars and nightclubs coming two weeks later on May 19, according to the Texas Bar and Nightclub Association....

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/texas-bars-and-nightclubs-push-to-reopen-in-early-may-along-with-restaurants/

You can enforce a degree of social distancing in a restaurant. Or have dining outside. Bars and clubs should be indefinitely shutdown. Recipe for disaster.

[Blake]

Here we go....

Bar and nightclub owners say they could begin opening their doors to the public within the next few weeks.

The proposed roll-out would begin in two phases with restaurants opening first on May 5 and bars and nightclubs coming two weeks later on May 19, according to the Texas Bar and Nightclub Association....

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/texas-bars-and-nightclubs-push-to-reopen-in-early-may-along-with-restaurants/

Dance six feet away from everyone while drinking through the mask?

Stupid

[DMC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW56CL0pk0g

You can bet Brad Pitt got a test. Ironic skit by him tbh

[TimDunkem]

You can enforce a degree of social distancing in a restaurant. Or have dining outside. Bars and clubs should be indefinitely shutdown. Recipe for disaster.

I think there are far too many small, poorly circulated restaurants to safely do the dine in thing too. One gust of air after a door opens in a place like that and suddenly people are sucking in Covid. Unless they're somehow eating with masks on, I guess.

[Chris]

You can enforce a degree of social distancing in a restaurant. Or have dining outside. Bars and clubs should be indefinitely shutdown. Recipe for disaster.

I'm sure you would be donating to these bar and club small businesses while they endure your indefinite shutdown.

[Blake]

I'm sure you would be donating to these bar and club small businesses while they endure your indefinite shutdown.

So Trump bad now?

[Trainwreck2100]

The approval bump Donald Trump got from COVID was historically low compared to other crises of this magnitude, and you're fucking retarded if you think that bump had anything to do with his daily campaign rally. He was gifted a disaster and still couldn't keep from shooting himself in the foot.


It's funny cause his approval went up when he surrounded himself with experts and they delivered all the info, like grown ups. Trump's problem was that he ran out of shit to talk about so it regressed to his usual moonbat campaign rally shtick.

[ElNono]

You can bet Brad Pitt got a test. Ironic skit by him tbh

Don't watch SLN, but I thought it was hilarious

[boutons_deux]

The early count on what COVID-19 does to the body:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Infographics/comments/g5ipeu/early_understanding_of_the_pathological_impact_of/

stop with this misinformation.

We were told (by the Usual Suspects of the right wing hate media and Repugs) that C19 was the flu, or what just like the flu, so relax, no need for anybody to do anything special. the flu kills a lot more people, C19 is less fatal

[Winehole23]

Testing, testing, testing, but especially in nursing homes, jails, prisons, assisted living homes, mental health facilities, etc..


A new approach that expands Covid-19 testing to include asymptomatic persons residing or working in skilled nursing facilities needs to be implemented now. Despite “lockdowns” in these facilities, coronavirus outbreaks continue to spread, with 1 in 10 nursing homes in the United States (>1300 skilled nursing facilities) now reporting cases, with the likelihood of thousands of deaths.6 Mass testing of the residents in skilled nursing facilities will allow appropriate isolation of infected residents so that they can be cared for and quarantine of exposed residents to minimize the risk of spread. Mass testing in these facilities could also allow cohorting7 and some resumption of group activities in a nonoutbreak setting. Routine rRT-PCR testing in addition to symptomatic screening of new residents before entry, conservative guidelines for discontinuation of isolation,7 and periodic retesting of long-term residents, as well as both periodic rRT-PCR screening and surgical masking of all staff, are important concomitant measures.

There are approximately 1.3 million Americans currently residing in nursing homes.8 Although this recommendation for mass testing in skilled nursing facilities could be initially rolled out in geographic areas with high rates of community Covid-19 transmission, an argument can be made to extend this recommendation to all U.S.-based skilled nursing facilities now because case ascertainment is uneven and incomplete and because of the devastating consequences of outbreaks. Immediately enforceable alternatives to mass testing in skilled nursing facilities are few. The public health director of Los Angeles has recommended that families remove their loved ones from nursing homes,9 a measure that is not feasible for many families.

Asymptomatic transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is the Achilles’ heel of Covid-19 pandemic control through the public health strategies we have currently deployed. Symptom-based screening has utility, but epidemiologic evaluations of Covid-19 outbreaks within skilled nursing facilities such as the one described by Arons et al. strongly demonstrate that our current approaches are inadequate. This recommendation for SARS-CoV-2 testing of asymptomatic persons in skilled nursing facilities should most likely be expanded to other congregate living situations, such as prisons and jails (where outbreaks in the United States, whose incarceration rate is much higher than rates in other countries, are increasing), enclosed mental health facilities, and homeless shelters, and to hospitalized inpatients. Current U.S. testing capability must increase immediately for this strategy to be implemented.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2009758

[baseline bum]

You can enforce a degree of social distancing in a restaurant. Or have dining outside. Bars and clubs should be indefinitely shutdown. Recipe for disaster.

Packing into dining rooms is lunacy when SARSCov2 can be transmitted through airborne droplets. How do people wear masks when they're eating? And they'll be spreading tons of droplets all throughout the dining room talking to their family/friends while sitting there for half an hour to an hour. Six feet is a joke with people not wearing masks in a small area with AC carrying their droplets around the room while they're there for an extended period.

But the worst thing is gyms reopening. That right there shows you Trump couldn't give the slightest fuck about any of our lives. A bunch of people in an enclosed area for extended periods exhaling droplets through breathing hard on the treadmill, bike, bench press, etc. Who doesn't exhale with a lot more force than normal when exercising hard?

God damn the USA

[midnightpulp]

I'm sure you would be donating to these bar and club small businesses while they endure your indefinite shutdown.

Indefinite=/=forever. But they shouldn't be allowed to open until we get further clarification on how the virus transmits in spaces like that.

[midnightpulp]

Packing into dining rooms is lunacy when SARSCov2 can be transmitted through airborne droplets. How do people wear masks when they're eating? And they'll be spreading tons of droplets all throughout the dining room talking to their family/friends while sitting there for half an hour to an hour. Six feet is a joke with people not wearing masks in a small area with AC carrying their droplets around the room while they're there for an extended period.

But the worst thing is gyms reopening. That right there shows you Trump couldn't give the slightest fuck about any of our lives. A bunch of people in an enclosed area for extended periods exhaling droplets through breathing hard on the treadmill, bike, bench press, etc. Who doesn't exhale with a lot more force than normal when exercising hard?

God damn the USA

I would think if restaurants were allowed to reopen, it would be at 25% capacity and only if you have a large enough dining area to keep patrons some 10 feet away from another table. Outdoor and/or drive up (like those 50s diners with the rollergirl waitresses) dining is another option. The food service industry employs more workers than any other, so we're going to have to figure out a way to slowly and carefully bring that industry back on line.

[pgardn]

Don't watch SLN, but I thought it was hilarious

Yep.

Basically because it is.
Actual actors can do this better than most people which is why they do these entertainment gigs.

I liked the relative time analogy.

[baseline bum]

I would think if restaurants were allowed to reopen, it would be at 25% capacity and only if you have a large enough dining area to keep patrons some 10 feet away from another table. Outdoor and/or drive up (like those 50s diners with the rollergirl waitresses) dining is another option. The food service industry employs more workers than any other, so we're going to have to figure out a way to slowly and carefully bring that industry back on line.

The sit down restaurant industry is just going to die. Anyone with a room temperature IQ is not going to pack themselves into dining rooms in a pandemic even if the crooks in power say it's ok. Restaurants with decently sized dining rooms won't survive on 3-4 tables in the place and not many are going to last on takeout since the margins usually aren't very good on food when you take away the mixed drinks, beer, wine, soda, iced tea, etc that are the real profit centers.

[Winehole23]

The sit down restaurant industry is just going to die. Anyone with a room temperature IQ is not going to pack themselves into dining rooms in a pandemic even if the crooks in power say it's ok. Restaurants with decently sized dining rooms won't survive on 3-4 tables in the place and not many are going to last on takeout since the margins usually aren't very good on food when you take away the mixed drinks, beer, wine, soda, iced tea, etc that are the real profit centers.
I fear you're right about this, but there are much worse things than having to eat at home.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/23700/23700-h/23700-h.htm

[hater]

The sit down restaurant industry is just going to die. Anyone with a room temperature IQ is not going to pack themselves into dining rooms in a pandemic even if the crooks in power say it's ok. Restaurants with decently sized dining rooms won't survive on 3-4 tables in the place and not many are going to last on takeout since the margins usually aren't very good on food when you take away the mixed drinks, beer, wine, soda, iced tea, etc that are the real profit centers.

sadly this makes a lot of sense :(

I think there would be some ppl willing to risk it(young) but at least 50% restaurants will die a horrible death

[hater]

also delivery food is fine

but pickup from better restaurants is sad. the food comes out cold and not fresh. its a shitty experience

I rather cook than eat that shit most times. sadly

wonder how food trucks will do

[TimDunkem]

I would think if restaurants were allowed to reopen, it would be at 25% capacity and only if you have a large enough dining area to keep patrons some 10 feet away from another table. Outdoor and/or drive up (like those 50s diners with the rollergirl waitresses) dining is another option. The food service industry employs more workers than any other, so we're going to have to figure out a way to slowly and carefully bring that industry back on line.

I like the optimism, but they would have to be constantly monitored. People in general will skirt the rules as often as they can. It's a recipe for disaster as well, imho.

My bro works in a restaurant and they were trying to sit parties until March 25th even though they were told not to 3 weeks before.

[hater]

eating at a restaurant will probably cost twice as much as before so only rich will be able to tbqh

[vy65]

Jesus Christ, an industry that has been around for centuries if not millennia is not going away because of coronavirus. You all talk like dine in restaurants are going the way of the dinosaur.

[TimDunkem]

The sit down restaurant industry is just going to die. Anyone with a room temperature IQ is not going to pack themselves into dining rooms in a pandemic even if the crooks in power say it's ok. Restaurants with decently sized dining rooms won't survive on 3-4 tables in the place and not many are going to last on takeout since the margins usually aren't very good on food when you take away the mixed drinks, beer, wine, soda, iced tea, etc that are the real profit centers.

This is the thing with businesses in general. It's not worth it for some to open up for a handful of people. Delivery with a skeleton crew is the best some of these places can hope for. Otherwise, they'll find out soon what it's going to cost them to open up to this new world.

[Winehole23]

Jesus Christ, an industry that has been around for centuries if not millennia is not going away because of coronavirus. You all talk like dine in restaurants are going the way of the dinosaur.It may be awhile before people feel safe in restaurants and the ratio of places offering curbside service now doesn't seem very high. Hard to see how curbside and pantry sales will pay Austin rents. A number of places have shut their doors forever.

If I were a bank, I'd be wary about lending money to new restaurants for the foreseeable future. To survive the next 2-5 years, sit down places will have to change the way they do business drastically.

[vy65]

It may be awhile before people feel safe in restaurants and the ratio of places offering curbside service now soesn't seem very high. Hard to see how curbside and pantry sales will pay Austin rents. A number of places have shut their doors forever.

If I were a bank, I'd be wary about lending money to new restaurants for the foreseeable future

I think that’s largely right, although I think many will find a way to pull through. It won’t be easy and any will shutter. But this sentiment that there won’t be sit in restaurants anymore is not right.

[Reck]

I wouldn’t feel comfortable going to a restaurant and taking in the sights. It will be some time before I will go to a restaurant and eat in.

What is wrong with order pick up? Haven’t they been doing that?

[Winehole23]

I think that’s largely right, although I think many will find a way to pull through. It won’t be easy and any will shutter. But this sentiment that there won’t be sit in restaurants anymore is not right.I didn't take BB to mean there will be *no* restaurants from now on, but it's hard to argue the point that restaurants as we have known them up til now *are* already gone, at least for the time being.

[TimDunkem]

Only a few places will be able to survive on the blueprint laid out for safely serving people in this new world. For many restaurants, this will be unsustainable, and the closures will happen when they realize that there's no way to make a profit on the handful of people they're serving.

Let's be honest, how many of you are going to take the risk and go out, have your temperature taken, deal with the hassle of going through all the steps just to safely pay for your overpriced food and recieve it, then enjoy it through your mask huddled in the corner of an empty restaurant?

Sounds stupid as fuck to me. It won't be worth it at all. Most eat out for the experience and social gathering. If those have been sucked out of it, then what's the point?

[vy65]

I didn't take BB to mean there will be *no* restaurants from now on, but it's hard to argue the point that restaurants as we have known them up til now *are* already gone, at least for the time being.

If I’m taking him too literally, mea culpa. But while the industry has a tough slog ahead, I don’t think sit in restaurants are going to die. Call me a foolish optimist

[baseline bum]

I think that’s largely right, although I think many will find a way to pull through. It won’t be easy and any will shutter. But this sentiment that there won’t be sit in restaurants anymore is not right.

They're going to have to raise prices to be profitable now that their entire business model of the food being almost loss leaders for the alcohol / soda / tea / etc they made huge margins on isn't workable with near empty dining rooms (which you'd absolutely need for mid's recommended social distancing protocol) and takeout / delivery. And that's of course going to drive people away who are going to be pissed thinking "how can this place raise prices during another great depression?" The restaurant business is difficult in the best of times, now it's going to be unsustainable to the majority in these times.

[ChumpDumper]

I think it depends on how the opening goes next month. I think some restaurants could be running at their new capacities and hopefully tracing is going to be coming online to see the effects.

[picnroll]

I can see high end restaurants opening up with private dining rooms. Room gets zapped with uv lights between meals like some airplanes do now. Maybe food and drinks goes through a pass through again zapped. Expensive but only way I’d dine out now.There’s also in line air purifiers with UV, H2O2, etc than can handle HVAC.

[pgardn]

I have not ordered anything to go since mid March.

And I have a possibly very stupid belief I will be just fine if I contract it.
But I will be damned if family members or anyone else get it from me.
Can you imagine a person you know or health care worker being contacted saying did you see this idiot (me) in the last month?

[TimDunkem]

I can see high end restaurants opening up with private dining rooms. Room gets zapped with uv lights between meals like some airplanes do now. Maybe food and drinks goes through a pass through again zapped. Expensive but only way I’d dine out now.There’s also in line air purifiers with UV, H2O2, etc than can handle HVAC.

Not worth it for the average Joe in the Covid economy. Dine in will soon be the privilege of high end restaurants and a handful of customers with deep pockets.

[baseline bum]

I think it depends on how the opening goes next month. I think some restaurants could be running at their new capacities and hopefully tracing is going to be coming online to see the effects.

It'll seem almost normal early on since exponential growth is super slow then super slow then super slow then super slow then very slow then holy fuck it shot up to hell. So sit down restaurants will have a little borrowed time but if SARSCov2 doesn't show itself to be highly seasonal like the flu those numbers will eventually shoot up quickly and that's game over again for them. We already know testing and tracing like South Korea is out of the picture under a Trump presidency.

[midnightpulp]

I like the optimism, but they would have to be constantly monitored. People in general will skirt the rules as often as they can. It's a recipe for disaster as well, imho.

My bro works in a restaurant and they were trying to sit parties until March 25th even though they were told not to 3 weeks before.

I'm not particularly optimistic, just spitballing ideas on how to possibly salvage the restaurant industry. The food/drink industry is a massive employer, biggest in the country. That industry being cut in half is all you need for a recession/depression.

[Winehole23]

It'll seem almost normal early on since exponential growth is super slow then super slow then super slow then super slow then very slow then holy fuck it shot up to hell. So sit down restaurants will have a little borrowed time but if SARSCov2 doesn't show itself to be highly seasonal like the flu those numbers will eventually shoot up quickly and that's game over again for them. We already know testing and tracing like South Korea is out of the picture under a Trump presidency.What's crazy is that the research on this has already been done. In 1918-9, cities with stricter/prompter social distancing had fewer excess deaths and recovered more quickly once the pandemic abated. Places like Denver, which relaxed them too quickly, suffered a crippling second wave of sickness and death, and stayed depressed longer.

Reopening while caseloads in most US states are still rising resembles a death wish. It may also make the depression worse. I don't think it will be the electoral boon DJT thinks it will be.

[ChumpDumper]

I have not ordered anything to go since mid March.

And I have a possibly very stupid belief I will be just fine if I contract it.
But I will be damned if family members or anyone else get it from me.
Can you imagine a person you know or health care worker being contacted saying did you see this idiot (me) in the last month?I'd be really interested to see if any new cases of customers could be traced to the Chik-fil-as in Beaumont. A bunch of employees in two locations were infected and I can believe most people can remember if they ate there in the past month. Again, my immediate area has been mercifully spared for being in the city limits of Austin so I've only been mostly paranoid going out but not completely.

[CosmicCowboy]

If I’m taking him too literally, mea culpa. But while the industry has a tough slog ahead, I don’t think sit in restaurants are going to die. Call me a foolish optimist

I agree. As long as hospitals aren't overcrowded they will be open. It will fall into the "some people are gonna crash and die" category like driving a car or riding a motorcycle. Too many people work in food service. The work around will probably be regular testing of restaurant employees.

[Winehole23]

I agree. As long as hospitals aren't overcrowded they will be open. It will fall into the "some people are gonna crash and die" category like driving a car or riding a motorcycle. Too many people work in food service. The work around will probably be regular testing of restaurant employees.If customers don't return, it doesn't matter what precautions are taken. Restaurants will close.

It's hilarious you think people will wave off the possibility of getting COVID-19 at a restaurant as a mundane hazard of life like driving. No one has to go to a restaurant. Most of us have to drive.

[baseline bum]

I'm not particularly optimistic, just spitballing ideas on how to possibly salvage the restaurant industry. The food/drink industry is a massive employer, biggest in the country. That industry being cut in half is all you need for a recession/depression.

The restaurants that will survive are the ones already built on takeout. Like my favorite Mexican joint. I think they'll squeak by because they're largely built on selling breakfast tacos to pickup customers and they won't have to raise prices to be profitable on that, as their business was built already on being profitable from takeaway breakfast sales. But they don't even open for dinner any more since their dinners aren't made from cheap ingredients like eggs, beans, and potatoes. Hard for them to survive on a $7 beef fajita plate when I'm not there ordering beer, margaritas, and the like from them.

[TimDunkem]

If customers don't return, it doesn't matter what precautions are taken. Restaurants will close.

Some people are finding this hard to understand. Many restaurants, other than those described by BB above, rely on models that are just not sustainable in the Covid economy. If some restaurants survive it'll be because they adapted, not because they went back to everything they were doing before.

[baseline bum]

I agree. As long as hospitals aren't overcrowded they will be open. It will fall into the "some people are gonna crash and die" category like driving a car or riding a motorcycle. Too many people work in food service. The work around will probably be regular testing of restaurant employees.

Hospitals not being overcrowded now is a pretty poor metric though when you have exponential growth plus an incubation period that can be up to two weeks. What we see now is really a snapshot of the virus' spread 2-3 weeks ago.

One thing I also find extremely concerning is that I could swear I heard Nelson Wolff in one of the daily 6:10 press conferences saying only 20% of San Antonio area hospital's ventilators are being used right now as if that was good news. If we're using 1/5 of our ventilators right now when San Antonio has barely been touched by SARSCov2 I don't have a lot of confidence in our ability to react when the infection starts taking hold here.

[TimDunkem]

Hospitals not being overcrowded now is a pretty poor metric though when you have exponential growth plus an incubation period that can be up to two weeks. What we see now is really a snapshot of the virus' spread 2-3 weeks ago.

One thing I also find extremely concerning is that I could swear I heard Nelson Wolff in one of the daily 6:10 press conferences saying only 20% of San Antonio area hospital's ventilators are being used right now as if that was good news. If we're using 1/5 of our ventilators right now when San Antonio has barely been touched by SARSCov2 I don't have a lot of confidence in our ability to react when the infection starts taking hold here.

I noticed that vent stat too. :lol SA has been lucky so far. We would definitely not fair well with all the fat, diabetic people here. I think our model said, with no social distancing, almost a million people in the area could catch covid with a peak of 320k active cases.

[hater]

Not worth it for the average Joe in the Covid economy. Dine in will soon be the privilege of high end restaurants and a handful of customers with deep pockets.

called it

[baseline bum]

If customers don't return, it doesn't matter what precautions are taken. Restaurants will close.

Makes me think of this scene from The Sopranos after Artie Bucco's restaurant got burned down and he was saying this is the worst thing that could have happened to him, and then Chris Moltisanti says "well what if people just stopped coming?" to which Tony Soprano replied "yeah, there's no insurance for that." Now "what if people stopped coming" is the reality of this world and it's going to be for a while.

[hater]

remember the waiters will need more $ due to it being a risky job

and full insurance tbqh

that shit is not gonna happen

more likely are automated restaurants with no waiters at tables

kinda self service shit

[TimDunkem]

remember the waiters will need more $ due to it being a risky job

and full insurance tbqh

that shit is not gonna happen

Didn't want to pay them before. If anything, a lot of these furloughed food service employees are not getting their job back.

[baseline bum]

I noticed that vent stat too. :lol SA has been lucky so far. We would definitely not fair well with all the fat, diabetic people here.

God could you imagine us getting one superspreader like that Korean jeebotard? Or even if we got seeded as badly as Detroit was when we're using 1/5 of our ventilators when there is very little known infection in San Antonio.

[CosmicCowboy]

If customers don't return, it doesn't matter what precautions are taken. Restaurants will close.

It's hilarious you think people will wave off the possibility of getting COVID-19 at a restaurant as a mundane hazard of life like driving. No one has to go to a restaurant. Most of us have to drive.

I am not advocating for that position, just predicting it. Social distancing is unworkable in the restaurant industry and it's not politically expedient to kill it.

[TimDunkem]

God could you imagine us getting one superspreader like that Korean jeebotard? Or even if we got seeded as badly as Detroit was when we're using 1/5 of our ventilators when there is very little known infection in San Antonio.

I edited my post and mentioned this, but the model for SA says a nearly a million cases could've popped up without the social distancing measures. It would be a fat fuck holocaust.

[baseline bum]

I am not advocating for that position, just predicting it. Social distancing is unworkable in the restaurant industry and it's not politically expedient to kill it.

I only expect it to survive if this virus ends up highly seasonal like flu and we get a big summer pause. Then it'll die in the fall unless we have figured out an affordable, efficient, and highly accessible treatment for COVID by then.

[CosmicCowboy]

Face masks will become fashion statements and everyone will wear them. Life will go on.

[baseline bum]

Face masks will become fashion statements and everyone will wear them. Life will go on.

You can't wear them while you're eating.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah, definitely worth it to risk my health so I can get my temp taken, prove I'm healthy, do a song and dance to safely exchange currency to buy marked up food in an empty restaurant, just to "enjoy it", alone, around my mask.

Fuck that. Delivery or takeout is much more appealing at this point, and will be for a long time.

[Winehole23]

I am not advocating for that position, just predicting it. Social distancing is unworkable in the restaurant industry and it's not politically expedient to kill it.The restaurant sector is already moribund. Only thing that could bring it back is public confidence. Without a universal preventative for COVID-19, I don't see how you get there.

Access to capital will be another problem for restaurants. Would you lend money to a restaurant in the immediate aftermath of a global pandemic?

[CosmicCowboy]

You can't wear them while you're eating.

I know. They wont. They will temp scan customers at the door. Regularly test staff. Asymptomatic will be the risk factor.

[baseline bum]

The restaurant sector is already moribund. Only thing that could bring it back is public confidence. Without a universal preventative for COVID-19, I don't see how you get there.

Access to capital will be another problem for restaurants. Would you lend money to a restaurant in the immediate aftermath of a global pandemic?

Not only COVID, but the economy is going to have to recover enough for people to have disposable income. It's really hard not to see us in another great depression when our economy was already a house of cards before SARSCov2 came to our shores.

[Winehole23]

Not only COVID, but the economy is going to have to recover enough for people to have disposable income. It's really hard not to see us in another great depression when our economy was already a house of cards before SARSCov2 came to our shores.We're already in a depression. Only remains to see how bad and how long.

[Ginobilly]

We're already in a depression. Only remains to see how bad and how long.


Yup.

Wingstop doesn't seem to be doing bad at all. I've never had to wait close to 2 hrs for my order before all this. Breastaurants that rellied on selling drinks and tacos de ojo will go the way of the dinosaur:cry

Rip Hooters, ojos locos, twinpeaks, walk ons, Chili's, buffalo wings, wingdaddys, etc

[Reck]

1254443673518997505

We won't fully be opened until maybe late July. It's the right thing to do.

[baseline bum]

We're already in a depression. Only remains to see how bad and how long.

I mean we already see how bad, much worse than any recession already. But Trump saying we'll have a V-shaped recovery is laughable when we had an economy that was already crushing the middle and lower classes who were pretty much living paycheck to paycheck.

[baseline bum]

Yup.

Wingstop doesn't seem to be doing bad at all. I've never had to wait close to 2 hrs for my order before all this.

Are you trying to order at peak dinner hours? I imagine they only have a skeleton crew going right now.

[DMC]

Yup.

Wingstop doesn't seem to be doing bad at all. I've never had to wait close to 2 hrs for my order before all this. Breastaurants that rellied on selling drinks and tacos de ojo will go the way of the dinosaur:cry

Rip Hooters, ojos locos, twinpeaks, walk ons, Chili's, buffalo wings, wingdaddys, etc

I feel like that's been around a while and I am just now seeing it. :lol

[ducks]

You can enforce a degree of social distancing in a restaurant. Or have dining outside. Bars and clubs should be indefinitely shutdown. Recipe for disaster.

Yes mr expect doctor
Are you also claiming trump is not a doctor ?

[Winehole23]

Yup.

Wingstop doesn't seem to be doing bad at all. I've never had to wait close to 2 hrs for my order before all this. Breastaurants that rellied on selling drinks and tacos de ojo will go the way of the dinosaur:cry

Rip Hooters, ojos locos, twinpeaks, walk ons, Chili's, buffalo wings, wingdaddys, etcPlaces with low ingredient costs and simple preparation geared to takeout have a good chance.

I tried to order from a pizza joint in the hood when I got home on Friday around 5. There were no available pickup times before noon Saturday.

[midnightpulp]

The Right is a death cult:


But: Our discussion of what constitutes prudent safety measures should take place in the context of the awareness that there are far worse things than death, and refusing to live for fear of death is one of them. A healthy human life is lived in recognition of the fact that we all have to die. The question is whether we will remember to teach ourselves what it means to live.

The media have gone to great lengths to make sure young people know that they too are at risk: “Look out! Don’t do things that are worthwhile! You might die!” But a brief glance at the numbers is enough to confirm that if this is the real concern, the authors of these articles have a breathtaking case of the helicopter parenting syndrome.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/23/how-cowardice-and-class-privilege-divide-support-for-coronavirus-lockdowns/

Oh, so the media shouldn't alert young people they are at risk? And actually, the media at first downplayed the risk for young people, and it backfired as young people crowded beaches and bars in light of that information only to find out they might suffer a stroke or get hit way harder by this virus than any flu they've ever had. The hospitalization for the 18-44 demo in New York is about 2.5x higher than the flu hospitalization rate across all demographics.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S6
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

What an irresponsible article.

[midnightpulp]

Yes mr expect doctor
Are you also claiming trump is not a doctor ?

What are we gonna do about the people who need their beer and smokes?

[DarrinS]

What are we gonna do about the people who need their beer and smokes?

Valero

[Winehole23]

The Right is a death cult:



https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/23/how-cowardice-and-class-privilege-divide-support-for-coronavirus-lockdowns/

Oh, so the media shouldn't alert young people they are at risk? And actually, the media at first downplayed the risk for young people, and it backfired as young people crowded beaches and bars in light of that information only to find out they might suffer a stroke or get hit way harder by this virus than any flu they've ever had. The hospitalization for the 18-44 demo in New York is about 2.5x higher than the flu hospitalization rate across all demographics.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/#S6
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

What an irresponsible article.
It's an extreme version of the normal indoctrination that all social good flows from capital and ownership. Nothing is more mundane than workers, customers and random citizens dying without any remedy, merely to preserve the rate of return on investment.

One human death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.

[Ginobilly]

[QUOTE=baseline bum;10130768]Are you trying to order at peak dinner hours? I imagine they only have a skeleton crew going right now.[/QUOTE

Peak dinner hours. Well Wingstop doesn't really have many employees working there at all times. There small restaurants that rely mostly on takeout since there tables and dinning rooms are small. They only have like 3,4 people in the kitchen, and a pimply faced teenage girl on the cash register. Their business model is made to survive pandemics.

[ChumpDumper]

Jesus, Cuomo really explains the shit out of everything going on. Actually gave numbers and metrics that will influence/dictate the reopening procedure. Seems like a black box in Texas so far.

[Ginobilly]

Yup. And restaurants that have a cult following like Whataburger, TJ's burgers and B'B bbq on the southside, in and out, golden wok etc. They ain't going anywhere.

[Splits]

Jesus, Cuomo really explains the shit out of everything going on. Actually gave numbers and metrics that will influence/dictate the reopening procedure. Seems like a black box in Texas so far.

He provides a no-bullshit baseline every day.

... though I still don't know how to connect the numbers he announces to the actuals that show up.

[midnightpulp]

It's an extreme version of the normal indoctrination that all social good flows from capital and ownership. Nothing is more mundane than workers, customers and random citizens dying without any remedy, merely to preserve the rate of return on investment.

One human death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.

And it's irritating how the writer tried to couch that perspective within a moral argument about these situations being "worse than death." Losing your business is not a fate worse than death. Staying at home for 6 months to a year is not a fate worse than death. Bankruptcy is not a fate worse than death. If you consider that a fate worse than death, then you need to rethink your priorities in life and shift your hierarchy of values around, something this author didn't suggest as he described "jobs" as sources of tremendous moral worth and calling business ownership a "sacred activity" (funny how with the mainstream decline of religion, commerce is now described with religious adjectives. The heretofore "higher calling" isn't toward God anymore, but toward profit/productivity). I'm sure the children of restaurant owner would rather have their parents around than risking them dying to engage in that "sacred activity." I know I would.

But it shows you how deep that indoctrination has run, that the "moral worth" of a person or activity is primarily centered around how economically "productive" they/it is. This has ascended to primacy on that aforementioned hierarchy of values I talked about.

[Splits]

And it's irritating how the writer tried to couch that perspective within a moral argument about these situations being "worse than death." Losing your business is not a fate worse than death. Staying at home for 6 months to a year is not a fate worse than death. Bankruptcy is not a fate worse than death. If you consider that a fate worse than death, then you need to rethink your priorities in life and shift your hierarchy of values around, something this author didn't suggest as he described "jobs" as sources of tremendous moral worth and calling business ownership a "sacred activity" (funny how with the mainstream decline of religion, commerce is now described with religious adjectives. The heretofore "higher calling" isn't toward God anymore, but toward profit/productivity). I'm sure the children of restaurant owner would rather have their parents around than risking them dying to engage in that "sacred activity." I know I would.

But it shows you how deep that indoctrination has run, that the "moral worth" of a person or activity is primarily centered around how economically "productive" they/it is. This has ascended to primacy on that aforementioned hierarchy of values I talked about.

Boom. There's a reason Libertards always look the same, white men, born into the best of circumstances if not inherited wealth, lecturing the masses while all they care about is protecting their own.

[midnightpulp]

^Funny enough, the author of that article is a Christian


His work has also been published on Patheos, The Public Discourse, and Christianity Today.

I find the modern American Evangelical Christian's unrelenting defense of consumerism/capitalism quite strange, when Christianity valued the ascetic life all throughout its history. Asceticism, celibacy, and poverty were/still required in many orders in order to get closer to God, to better focus on that higher calling.

[Ginobilly]

And it's irritating how the writer tried to couch that perspective within a moral argument about these situations being "worse than death." Losing your business is not a fate worse than death. Staying at home for 6 months to a year is not a fate worse than death. Bankruptcy is not a fate worse than death. If you consider that a fate worse than death, then you need to rethink your priorities in life and shift your hierarchy of values around, something this author didn't suggest as he described "jobs" as sources of tremendous moral worth and calling business ownership a "sacred activity" (funny how with the mainstream decline of religion, commerce is now described with religious adjectives. The heretofore "higher calling" isn't toward God anymore, but toward profit/productivity). I'm sure the children of restaurant owner would rather have their parents around than risking them dying to engage in that "sacred activity." I know I would.

But it shows you how deep that indoctrination has run, that the "moral worth" of a person or activity is primarily centered around how economically "productive" they/it is. This has ascended to primacy on that aforementioned hierarchy of values I talked about.


True. The most important thing in life is your health and family. What good is money if your not healthy?

[Nathan89]

Boom. There's a reason Libertards always look the same, white men, born into the best of circumstances if not inherited wealth, lecturing the masses while all they care about is protecting their own.

Should be a lot more libertarian women if all it takes is being born into the best of circumstances and wealth.

[ChumpDumper]

Should be a lot more libertarian women if all it takes is being born into the best of circumstances and wealth.Throw in male privilege the men think they earned too.

[Splits]

Should be a lot more libertarian women if all it takes is being born into the best of circumstances and wealth.

Yes, they were totally in on woman's suffrage

[boutons_deux]

Libertarianism, and libertarians are totally bullshit.

[Nathan89]

Throw in male privilege the men think they earned too.

And female privilege should lead women down the same path.

[Nathan89]

Yes, they were totally in on woman's suffrage

Are we in 1920?

[ChumpDumper]

And female privilege should lead women down the same path.

Which privilege is that?

[Winehole23]

Should be a lot more libertarian women if all it takes is being born into the best of circumstances and wealth.It's no mystery there aren't more women in the club. Being a professed libertarian is like having a tattoo on your forehead that says I am a condescending, selfish, anti-social creep.

Libertarianism is essentially astrology for men, with this proviso: it has an even weaker empirical basis. It's almost pure mythology. Celestial bodies at least have measurable gravity and light.

[DarrinS]

Up to 96% of prisoners who tested positive are asymptomatic

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in/in-four-u-s-state-prisons-nearly-3300-inmates-test-positive-for-coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX

[Reck]

Up to 96% of prisoners who tested positive are asymptomatic

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in/in-four-u-s-state-prisons-nearly-3300-inmates-test-positive-for-coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX

Probably because they're young and work out every day. Not much to do in prison.

[baseline bum]

SARSCov2 detected on particulate matter from air pollution


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJJvtdGgau0

[Blake]

remember the waiters will need more $ due to it being a risky job

and full insurance tbqh

that shit is not gonna happen

more likely are automated restaurants with no waiters at tables

kinda self service shit

I think if restaurants open back up, people will go and waiters will wait. There's just too many people clamoring for things to go back to normal that can't help themselves.

[boutons_deux]

UChicago Medicine doctors see 'truly remarkable' success using ventilator alternatives to treat COVID-19

https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/-/media/images/ucmc/forefront/channel-pages/covid/covid-outcomes-universal-832x469.jpg?h=385&as=1&hash=438BC3A1A43D094F7792940102CB4B087671175D

seeing “truly remarkable” results using high-flow nasal cannulas rather than ventilators and intubation

High-flow nasal cannulas, or HFNCs, are non-invasive nasal prongs that sit below the nostrils and blow large volumes of warm, humidified oxygen into the nose and lungs.

dozens of COVID-19 patients who were in respiratory distress and gave them HFNCs instead of putting them on ventilators. The patients all fared extremely well, and only one of them required intubation after 10 days.

“The proning and the high-flow nasal cannulas combined have brought patient oxygen levels from around 40% to 80% and 90%,

so it’s been fascinating and wonderful to see,”

https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/uchicago-medicine-doctors-see-truly-remarkable-success-using-ventilator-alternatives-to-treat-covid19 (https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/uchicago-medicine-doctors-see-truly-remarkable-success-using-ventilator-alternatives-to-treat-covid19)

[baseline bum]

I think if restaurants open back up, people will go and waiters will wait. There's just too many people clamoring for things to go back to normal that can't help themselves.

It'll happen for a month or so. Then all of a sudden that exponential growth will let itself be known overnight after that month of slow burn just like it did a few weeks ago, and the restaurants will empty.

[boutons_deux]

It'll happen for a month or so. Then all of a sudden that exponential growth will let itself be known overnight after that month of slow burn just like it did a few weeks ago, and the restaurants will empty.

To the Repugs, there are "things", like $$$, more important than human life.

I expect you are right, but less sure that the growth in cases and deaths-for-$$$ will increase, but not exponentially, so that the growth will be small or slow enough for the Repugs to spin as still worth less than the $$$, saying

"yeah more dead but we got more $$$ flowing, so it's all good, esp since the dead are mostly old people on their last legs (sorry about the blood fatal blood clots in the otherwise-healthy young and middle aged)".

"and btw, (poor) ladies, abortion is still an abomination before Christ Our Lord God and Savior"

[baseline bum]

To the Repugs, there are "things", like $$$, more important than human life.

I expect you are right, but less sure that the growth in cases and deaths-for-$$$ will increase, but not exponentially, so that the growth will be small or slow enough for the Repugs to spin as still worth less than the $$$, saying

"yeah more dead but we got more $$$ flowing, so it's all good, esp since the dead are mostly old people on their last legs (sorry about the blood fatal blood clots in the otherwise-healthy young and middle aged)".

"and btw, (poor) ladies, abortion is still an abomination before Christ Our Lord God and Savior"

The number of currently infected / recovered / dead is almost certainly way too low for anything but exponential growth in every part of Texas given we're not going to do any meaningful level of contact tracing under a shitbag GOP government. I still can't fucking believe opening gyms where people are inside and breathing hard and thus exhaling way more droplets in a confined area than basically any other kind of business one can fathom. But exponential is the only type of growth you can have early on with a non-response. You want something like linear growth you have to do what South Korea is, which we obviously will not.

[DarrinS]

Quercetin as a substitute for hydroxychloroqhine? It's something you can get over the counter and safe.

Part of this doc's regimen


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2A2xNLWR4

[Blake]

It'll happen for a month or so. Then all of a sudden that exponential growth will let itself be known overnight after that month of slow burn just like it did a few weeks ago, and the restaurants will empty.

I mean it's all depending on what the government decides to do. But if they do open, just because you and me don't want to go doesn't mean John Q Trumper and friends won't go.

[boutons_deux]

The number of currently infected / recovered / dead is almost certainly way too low for anything but exponential growth in every part of Texas

gyms? :lol

we'll see soon enough about the growth

however, a large majority of Texans will not cooperate with the Repug dealth cult.

We will see how much cheerleading the shitbag Repugs do.

[baseline bum]

gyms? :lol

we'll see soon enough about the growth

however, a large majority of Texans will not cooperate with the Repug dealth cult.

We will see how much cheerleading the shitbag Repugs do.

Yeah there was a big lobbying push for gyms and Trump accepted to put them into his Phase 1 reopening, so of course Abbott followed suit.

[baseline bum]

gyms? :lol

we'll see soon enough about the growth

however, a large majority of Texans will not cooperate with the Repug dealth cult.

We will see how much cheerleading the shitbag Repugs do.

Exponential growth is super slow early on, which is why most of the country believed this was no big deal in February. The second wave will likely start very slowly in the San Antonio area after being locked down 4 weeks now without a ton of cases to seed from. People will see there is no explosion in the first two weeks of May and they'll get comfortable I expect. We're used to thinking in terms of linear trends, not exponentials.

[Reck]

Quercetin as a substitute for hydroxychloroqhine? It's something you can get over the counter and safe.

Part of this doc's regimen


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2A2xNLWR4

It's not going to be solved by a random drug that has been circulating for years and can be bought OTC.

[DarrinS]

It's not going to be solved by a random drug that has been circulating for years and can be bought OTC.

If some supplements may keep you out of the hospital, isn't that a good thing?

You know what won't solve it? Keeping people so scared that they don't seek any treatment until they are VERY sick.

[ElNono]

If some supplements may keep you out of the hospital, isn't that a good thing?

You know what won't solve it? Keeping people so scared that they don't seek any treatment until they are VERY sick.

lol @ supplements solving anything. don't be silly. This isn't a vitamin deficiency

[DarrinS]

If we understand how to stop or interfere with viral replication, I don't know why we wouldn't leverage that knowledge and get people through this disease much faster.

[DarrinS]

lol @ supplements solving anything. don't be silly. This isn't a vitamin deficiency


If we understand how to stop or interfere with viral replication, I don't know why we wouldn't leverage that knowledge and get people through this disease much faster.

[ElNono]

If we understand how to stop or interfere with viral replication, I don't know why we wouldn't leverage that knowledge and get people through this disease much faster.

Because we clearly still do not, otherwise, we would be developing a working medicine, instead of wasting time trying out old medicines to see if they're more or less better than nothing.

[DarrinS]

Because we clearly still do not, otherwise, we would be developing a working medicine, instead of wasting time trying out old medicines to see if they're more or less better than nothing.

Zinc fucks with viral replication. This is well understood.

[DarrinS]

Or, just take Tylenol and hope you aren't unlucky enough to eventually need one of those awesome respirators.

[ElNono]

Zinc fucks with viral replication. This is well understood.


Or, just take Tylenol and hope you aren't unlucky enough to eventually need one of those awesome respirators.

This is all magical thinking... we also know disinfectants kill the virus very quickly. so what? we don't have a delivery vehicle right now that specifically targets the virus, that's what we're trying to find, along with other methods we already know, like inhibiting certain receptors the virus uses to attach to the cells.

Your beef with ventilators is your own, tbh

[TSA]

96% of nearly 3,300 inmates with coronavirus were asymptomatic, survey shows

96% of 3,277 inmates in state prison systems in Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia who tested positive for the coronavirus did not show symptoms, Reuters reports.

Why it matters: The findings suggest that asymptomatic patients could be contributing to the spread of the virus at a far higher level than suspected, especially in prisons, which have proven to be a breeding ground for COVID-19 in the U.S.

This is especially noteworthy because health officials have prioritized testing and surveillance for people that show symptoms. 4,693 total tests were conducted.
“It adds to the understanding that we have a severe undercount of cases in the U.S.,” Leana Wen, adjunct associate professor of emergency medicine at George Washington University, told Reuters.
The big picture: Two prisons — Marion Correctional Institute in Ohio and Chicago's Cook County jail — are among the largest known sources of coronavirus infections in the U.S.

At Marion, close to 95% of the 2,028 inmates who tested positive for the virus were asymptomatic, according to Reuters.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-prisons-asymptomatic-8daaaa08-b53e-4368-adb7-88b7d93efece.html

[CosmicCowboy]

lol @ supplements solving anything. don't be silly. This isn't a vitamin deficiency

Wont kill covid, but every doctor I have says do 5000 units of D every day.

[ChumpDumper]

96% of nearly 3,300 inmates with coronavirus were asymptomatic, survey shows

96% of 3,277 inmates in state prison systems in Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia who tested positive for the coronavirus did not show symptoms, Reuters reports.

Why it matters: The findings suggest that asymptomatic patients could be contributing to the spread of the virus at a far higher level than suspected, especially in prisons, which have proven to be a breeding ground for COVID-19 in the U.S.

This is especially noteworthy because health officials have prioritized testing and surveillance for people that show symptoms. 4,693 total tests were conducted.
“It adds to the understanding that we have a severe undercount of cases in the U.S.,” Leana Wen, adjunct associate professor of emergency medicine at George Washington University, told Reuters.
The big picture: Two prisons — Marion Correctional Institute in Ohio and Chicago's Cook County jail — are among the largest known sources of coronavirus infections in the U.S.

At Marion, close to 95% of the 2,028 inmates who tested positive for the virus were asymptomatic, according to Reuters.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-prisons-asymptomatic-8daaaa08-b53e-4368-adb7-88b7d93efece.htmlSo we should test more.

Maybe even make that a national priority....

[slick'81]

96% of nearly 3,300 inmates with coronavirus were asymptomatic, survey shows

96% of 3,277 inmates in state prison systems in Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia who tested positive for the coronavirus did not show symptoms, Reuters reports.

Why it matters: The findings suggest that asymptomatic patients could be contributing to the spread of the virus at a far higher level than suspected, especially in prisons, which have proven to be a breeding ground for COVID-19 in the U.S.

This is especially noteworthy because health officials have prioritized testing and surveillance for people that show symptoms. 4,693 total tests were conducted.
“It adds to the understanding that we have a severe undercount of cases in the U.S.,” Leana Wen, adjunct associate professor of emergency medicine at George Washington University, told Reuters.
The big picture: Two prisons — Marion Correctional Institute in Ohio and Chicago's Cook County jail — are among the largest known sources of coronavirus infections in the U.S.

At Marion, close to 95% of the 2,028 inmates who tested positive for the virus were asymptomatic, according to Reuters.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-prisons-asymptomatic-8daaaa08-b53e-4368-adb7-88b7d93efece.html


Does that mean they wont show symptoms at all? Funny how were all die but the prisoners will remain

[slick'81]

SARSCov2 detected on particulate matter from air pollution


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJJvtdGgau0



Fck its airborne

[CosmicCowboy]

lol @ supplements solving anything. don't be silly. This isn't a vitamin deficiency

Wont kill covid, but every doctor I have says do 5000 units of D every day.

[slick'81]

Wont kill covid, but every doctor I have says do 5000 units of D every day.

vitamin d huh?

[SnakeBoy]

Because we clearly still do not, otherwise, we would be developing a working medicine, instead of wasting time trying out old medicines to see if they're more or less better than nothing.

What are we wasting time on?

[baseline bum]

Fck its airborne

This was Osterholm's expectation, that airborne transmission was going to be how people got this. And if it can be shown to attach to fine particles in air pollution then of course it's going to latch onto much bigger dust particles floating around restaurants and gyms when people won't have their masks on to filter them out. Opening restaurant dining rooms and gyms is so ridiculous and irresponsible.

[midnightpulp]

Fck its airborne

Eh, particulate matter doesn't equal infectious. This is like scientists finding Covid a month later on surfaces, which prompted the headline, "Covid can survive a month on surfaces!" when all they found was the virus's genetic material, which isn't infectious. I'd bet my house the particulates found in air pollution aren't infectious.

[DarrinS]

This is all magical thinking... we also know disinfectants kill the virus very quickly. so what? we don't have a delivery vehicle right now that specifically targets the virus, that's what we're trying to find, along with other methods we already know, like inhibiting certain receptors the virus uses to attach to the cells.

Your beef with ventilators is your own, tbh

No it's not. Zinc intereferes with viral replication.

Tylenol + fluids = thoughts and prayers

80% on ventilators die. Who knows how many patients were killed by docs following standard protocols.